New To The Pro-Life Movement - Interview with Justin Reeder of Love Life

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:11.029Lord, I am yours. Welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast300:00:11.269 --> 00:00:15.230and this episode we're going to interviewjustin reader, founder of Love Life Charlotte.400:00:15.349 --> 00:00:17.710He's going to share his heart andhow he got involved in the pro500:00:17.829 --> 00:00:29.100life movement. Stay tuned, Lord, I felt show passish touch your heart.600:00:32.140 --> 00:00:36.450Welcome to the Gospel Center pro lifepodcast. Justin reader is the founder700:00:36.570 --> 00:00:39.969of Love Life Charlotte, which isa ministry that does prayer walks at the800:00:40.009 --> 00:00:42.890local abortion clinics here and then.The Lord is really just open up the900:00:42.969 --> 00:00:49.369door for for all around our stateand Raleigh, now in Greensboro and now1000:00:49.609 --> 00:00:52.799ultimately in New York, and wemight talk a little bit about this about1100:00:52.840 --> 00:00:57.399that as we kind of progress.But yeah, just introduce yourself real quick.1200:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.159Again, I introduce you, butintroduce yourself. Sometimes it's better for1300:01:00.200 --> 00:01:03.349people to hear from yeah, sure, just an ordinary guy married to a1400:01:03.430 --> 00:01:07.629beautiful bribe Jennifer reader. Have threekids, five year old, of four1500:01:07.670 --> 00:01:11.069year old and a nine month old. Business guy here in the city's had1600:01:11.069 --> 00:01:15.870a business for about fourteen years,originally from south Florida, but kind of1700:01:17.030 --> 00:01:19.659what started this whole thing was intwo thousand and twelve and I had some1800:01:19.700 --> 00:01:22.780people invite me out to the abortionclinic and, yeah, really disrupted my1900:01:22.900 --> 00:01:26.620journey. Then we launched love lifein two thousand and sixteen. Yeah,2000:01:26.819 --> 00:01:29.099I'm want to jump right in thatbecause that's sort of why I wanted to2100:01:29.180 --> 00:01:33.129talk with you, not because you'relike this big pro life leader, so2200:01:33.290 --> 00:01:34.450to speak, or like you know, you've been in this battle for a2300:01:34.569 --> 00:01:38.090long time. Your Business Guy,right, you're just a business guy,2400:01:38.290 --> 00:01:42.090going about your business, making somemoney. Yep, sewing into the kingdom,2500:01:42.090 --> 00:01:46.609right, your believer, you loveJesus, and then some guys invite2600:01:46.609 --> 00:01:49.000you out to an abortion clinic,and that's you know, a lot of2700:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.519people, I think, all Christians. We actually had a podcast last week,2800:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.359the men Vicki did, about canyou be pro choice and a Christian?2900:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.000Yeah, that's like we came toinclusion that you can't. You can't3000:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.510be for abortion and a Christian.And so we you know, we know3100:02:01.629 --> 00:02:06.950that Christians just in general would tendto be pro life, at least politically3200:02:06.950 --> 00:02:09.750aligned with prolife things, and somost of us think, yeah, if3300:02:09.789 --> 00:02:13.629somebody asses your pro life, youto said, yeah, right before you3400:02:13.710 --> 00:02:15.740came to an abortion clinic. Yeah, I mean that was a camp I3500:02:15.860 --> 00:02:17.939was in. I mean, Idefinitely would have told everybody else pro life.3600:02:19.099 --> 00:02:22.020Yeah, you know, but forwhatever reason, man, I just3700:02:22.180 --> 00:02:24.099I didn't really think about it thatmuch. I didn't really think, you3800:02:24.219 --> 00:02:27.340know, that it was happening inthe scale, in the magnatude, that3900:02:27.419 --> 00:02:30.889was happening in my city. Butit's when it I came face to face4000:02:30.009 --> 00:02:34.650with it is when everything change andI related to the story of actually David4100:02:34.689 --> 00:02:37.969and Golife, right, like Davidwas just delivering pizza to his brother's.4200:02:38.050 --> 00:02:39.569Yeah, right, it's what Icall. He's bread and cheese. He's4300:02:39.610 --> 00:02:43.449delivering pigs baggie tales, right,yeah, veggietales, right, if watching4400:02:43.490 --> 00:02:46.240all that lately. But he's justdelivering pizza to his brother's, being obedient4500:02:46.360 --> 00:02:51.479to his earthly father. And whyhe's out doing that? He sees a4600:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.439giant. Yeah, he's a stronghold. It's I was just kind of about4700:02:54.520 --> 00:02:59.150my business, you know, again, growing a business, raising a family,4800:03:00.069 --> 00:03:02.750but my journey got interrupted when Igot this invitation to come out here4900:03:02.789 --> 00:03:07.110to the abortion clinic. Yeah,and when I saw this giant in our5000:03:07.189 --> 00:03:09.949city. My heart, of course, broke over my own lack of action.5100:03:10.030 --> 00:03:15.180I was convicted of that. Iknew that needed to change. But5200:03:15.979 --> 00:03:20.180my mind is started going to placesimmediately like and I know there's so many5300:03:20.259 --> 00:03:23.219churches here in the city. Iknow I belong to a great church.5400:03:23.379 --> 00:03:25.419I believe they would want to beinvolved with something like this. If they5500:03:25.539 --> 00:03:29.490really saw what I saw, Ibelieve their heart would break. Yeah,5600:03:29.930 --> 00:03:34.009and so you know, the Lordjust started seating some things from the very5700:03:34.050 --> 00:03:38.330first time out here. Yeah,so one of the focuses for this podcast5800:03:38.409 --> 00:03:39.090and again, one of the reasonswhy I want to talk to you is5900:03:39.090 --> 00:03:42.800because you're just like this, youknow, the business guy you didn't go6000:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.240to, you know, formal training, is a pastor or ministry leader,6100:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.520and neither to die. But youknow, God gets us and and and6200:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.879it's kind of sets us up rightand in these situations, that's how the6300:03:52.960 --> 00:03:57.069Lord set me up as I cameout to an abortion clinic with a children's6400:03:57.069 --> 00:04:00.069group at the abortion clinic on Hebronstreets in the Lord get a hold of6500:04:00.069 --> 00:04:02.750my heart. Yeah, and soyou've been in this fight for I mean,6600:04:02.909 --> 00:04:05.590yeah, you've been pro life,but as far as like really in6700:04:05.669 --> 00:04:10.060the thick of this spiritual battle,that is, the the pro life issue,6800:04:10.139 --> 00:04:14.699the the abortion battle, and yougot in because someone brought you out6900:04:14.699 --> 00:04:17.779to an abortion that it was actuallythe Benham so, but to really get7000:04:17.819 --> 00:04:23.420into the thick of this thing anda really jump all in like you've done,7100:04:24.019 --> 00:04:26.649like what does it taken in aperson's mind? You shared some of7200:04:26.689 --> 00:04:29.250that how God got a hold ofyour heart, but where they're like things7300:04:29.290 --> 00:04:31.329in your mind that you're like,I don't know if I mean, you7400:04:31.449 --> 00:04:34.649know, our my heart is alwaysor not always, but I give my7500:04:34.730 --> 00:04:39.920heart to the Lord at the ageof Lovin and really began walking deeply with7600:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.160the Lord and my early s andmy prayer for many, many years have7700:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.040been more break my heart, forwhat break sures. You know, always7800:04:46.079 --> 00:04:50.040had a heart for missions and forthe least of these, and so you7900:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.230know, that was kind of thewhere my heart was when I came to8000:04:54.310 --> 00:04:58.629a place like this and I sawsuch brokenness, I saw such hurt and8100:04:58.670 --> 00:05:01.589I saw such need. Yeah,I was. I was broken, and8200:05:01.629 --> 00:05:05.389I believe that's the reaction that mostpeople experience when they come here again.8300:05:05.430 --> 00:05:10.860Yeah, I think that most Christiansare were like me or are like me8400:05:10.980 --> 00:05:13.459where they it's kind of out ofsight, out of mind. They're not8500:05:13.620 --> 00:05:15.980really thinking about it. Oh,it's a political issue, which is such8600:05:15.980 --> 00:05:20.180a lie. This is a moralissue. And really the question I had8700:05:20.180 --> 00:05:24.889asked myself, and I know it'sso simple that I challenge are people that8800:05:24.930 --> 00:05:27.490are coming out for prayer walks withus all the time, is do you8900:05:27.689 --> 00:05:30.769really believe these are children? Weretalking right? Ultimately, that's really what9000:05:30.850 --> 00:05:34.009it comes down to, right,because if we really believe these are children9100:05:34.009 --> 00:05:38.199were talking about, we have tolive differently. Yeah, I didn't have9200:05:38.199 --> 00:05:42.160a choice to go back to myoffice and just go go along with my9300:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.839life as normal. Yeah, ifI really believe these were children and my9400:05:46.000 --> 00:05:47.560heart is for the things of Godand for the things of his kingdom,9500:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.910like I had to live differently.Yeah, and so, and I believe9600:05:51.910 --> 00:05:56.750that's most people's reaction, those thatlove God, love people. When they9700:05:56.790 --> 00:05:59.829come out here, they see thebrokenness, they say, I have to9800:05:59.910 --> 00:06:03.860do something, and something just recentlyI shared with you, actually yesterday,9900:06:03.939 --> 00:06:08.420that the Lord is really highlighted forme is, you know, I think10000:06:08.459 --> 00:06:11.139we, most Christians, especially thosethat are pro life, would always say,10100:06:11.180 --> 00:06:13.259yeah, I believe that's a lifein the womb, right, but10200:06:13.379 --> 00:06:15.860the reality is most of us don'tever live like that. Yeah, right,10300:06:15.139 --> 00:06:19.889we in some ways we think thatthere is a difference between a child10400:06:19.930 --> 00:06:24.490and the womb and the child outsideof the womb, but the scripture tells10500:06:24.529 --> 00:06:28.129us differently and we got to standon God's word in this thing. And10600:06:28.730 --> 00:06:31.879one of the scriptures that really hasstirred my heart, especially recently, is10700:06:32.240 --> 00:06:36.120in Luke chapter one when it saysthat the baby leaped in the womb,10800:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.160talking about Elizabeth and John The meds. Yeah, the baby leaped in the10900:06:41.240 --> 00:06:45.360womb and the Greek word for thatis Brefos. And you jump over to11000:06:45.680 --> 00:06:49.389Luke Chapter two, when it's describingJesus outside of the womb, is Angel11100:06:49.509 --> 00:06:55.629speaking to the shepherd's describing the babyoutside of the womb, the same exact11200:06:55.629 --> 00:06:59.110Greek word is it is is todescribe the child outside of the room,11300:06:59.709 --> 00:07:01.500the womb. Bre Fos. Yeah, you see it even further along in11400:07:01.620 --> 00:07:04.660Luke, I think it's Luke Eighteen, and even in acts Chapter Seven.11500:07:04.740 --> 00:07:10.819And so we have to stand onthe word of God that these are children11600:07:11.060 --> 00:07:15.339that we're talking about and God seeszero difference between a child and the womb11700:07:15.379 --> 00:07:17.610and a child outside of the womb. I believe if we can really come11800:07:17.689 --> 00:07:23.089to that type of revelation in ourlife, then we will live drastically different,11900:07:23.170 --> 00:07:26.170yeah, from from where we werebefore. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.12000:07:26.290 --> 00:07:30.600Kind of bring me into you,because I wasn't there that day.12100:07:30.800 --> 00:07:32.920Actually, I wasn't the director ofcities for life when you had first come12200:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.759out. Maybe it's like twelve.Yeah, okay, these two thousand and12300:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.439twelve. So I came in asdirect I was involved. Came in as12400:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.360a director in two thousand and fifteen. So kind of bring me back to12500:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.430that day and just a little bitof what you saw. Like, you12600:07:45.509 --> 00:07:47.189know, you're standing in front ofan abortion clinic. Yeah, obviously not12700:07:47.389 --> 00:07:50.029just looking at a building and that'swhat Burns your heart. where? What12800:07:50.110 --> 00:07:54.389were some of the things that youwere seeing? Yeah, so you're standing12900:07:54.430 --> 00:07:58.660there right across the street here onthe trobe in front of the abortion clinic,13000:07:58.860 --> 00:08:03.019and I saw a packed parking lot. There was a lot of cars13100:08:03.060 --> 00:08:07.300there that day and I was seeingpeople still coming in, driving in,13200:08:07.060 --> 00:08:11.139and as they were driving in Icould just see such brokenness. Yeah,13300:08:11.180 --> 00:08:16.250face, just hurt, hopelessness,driving into this place and it just the13400:08:16.410 --> 00:08:18.810again. The reality is like afresh revelation. Hit me like and there's13500:08:18.850 --> 00:08:22.610a baby that's in the womb.There's a human being, a child,13600:08:22.329 --> 00:08:26.089that is alive. When they walkin those doors that I'm seeing right there,13700:08:26.639 --> 00:08:31.480and when they exit there, achild is gone, child has been13800:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.399snatched out of the womb. Andit was just for me to see the13900:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.720faces. And I also saw thisintense struggle that took place with one mom14000:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.190in the parking lot right she getsout of her car and she starts walking14100:08:43.269 --> 00:08:46.710into the abortion center and then shewalks back out, and she walks back14200:08:46.830 --> 00:08:52.149in and she walks back out.You could see the struggle of life first14300:08:52.269 --> 00:08:54.950death, and so that notion thatwhen a woman comes to an abortion clinic14400:08:54.029 --> 00:08:56.580her mind's already made up, thatwas kind of debunked right away. Yeah,14500:08:56.620 --> 00:09:00.940and I could feel an intense spiritualbattle, yeah, being there,14600:09:00.980 --> 00:09:03.179I could feel it, I couldsense it, but it was literally manifesting14700:09:03.220 --> 00:09:07.179itself in the physical right in frontof me. Yeah, and so these14800:09:07.299 --> 00:09:11.009type of things, as I sawthese as real lives. There were no14900:09:11.129 --> 00:09:15.009longer just statistics or out of sight, out of mind. I mean these15000:09:15.009 --> 00:09:18.370are human beings. My heart beganto break for the MOMS, for the15100:09:18.450 --> 00:09:22.330DAD's of course, for the children, but even for the workers, people15200:09:22.370 --> 00:09:26.720that are, you know, helpingperform these abortions like man like, like15300:09:26.840 --> 00:09:28.879they just been duped by the bythe Endemy, like this, they're enslaved15400:09:28.960 --> 00:09:33.279in this thing. And so,yeah, it was visually for me,15500:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.039as I saw it, and thenas I saw Christians that were out there15600:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.149reaching out. Cities for life wasthere help, pregnancy cure center monroe with15700:09:41.190 --> 00:09:43.149their mobile unit was out there.Okay, they were offering real hope,15800:09:43.309 --> 00:09:46.669offering real resources to families. Iwas like, man, I got a15900:09:46.750 --> 00:09:48.990team up with that, like yeah, we got to figure out a way16000:09:50.509 --> 00:09:52.299to be a part of, yeah, life in our city. And so,16100:09:52.460 --> 00:09:56.019you know, cities for life,obviously we're involved in sidewall counseling there,16200:09:56.179 --> 00:10:00.299we're involved in regular outreach and thatwas again the folks that you saw16300:10:00.460 --> 00:10:03.940reaching out there. But the Lordreally put a burden in your heart to16400:10:03.059 --> 00:10:07.409to really get so so you havelike this handful of people that are there16500:10:07.409 --> 00:10:11.090too, very committed, mostly homeschoolmoms, that they are reaching out really16600:10:11.129 --> 00:10:15.330in the think of that spiritual battle, but from when I get from you16700:10:15.370 --> 00:10:18.769you're thinking. was like, okay, this is a bigger issue than just16800:10:18.889 --> 00:10:22.799a handful of people doing something aboutthis thing. This is something that we16900:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.440need to come at as the Churchof Jesus Christ. And Yeah, to17000:10:26.559 --> 00:10:30.399me, I mean that's in yourheart. Yeah, we just had a17100:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.039meeting yesterday. You did, youguys hit it up a meeting with some17200:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.750local pastors, eighteen different churches thathad pastors. You guys have been I17300:10:37.870 --> 00:10:41.149mean as a ministry, cities arelike. We've had hard time getting churches,17400:10:41.190 --> 00:10:43.950getting pastors to come out and todo sidewalk council. It's a lot17500:10:43.990 --> 00:10:46.549of them have we think, Godfor him, but getting into the kind17600:10:46.590 --> 00:10:50.659of the the broader church world.You guys have been able to do that17700:10:50.899 --> 00:10:54.700in some ways that I don't thinka lot of ministries ever a magic it17800:10:54.899 --> 00:10:58.659would even be possible. Yeah,so talk to me a little bit about17900:10:58.700 --> 00:11:03.220sort of your burden for the Churchand and the church being involved in this18000:11:03.419 --> 00:11:05.570thing. Yeah, well, firstoff, just we were, I was18100:11:05.649 --> 00:11:11.809encouraging inspired to do more by seeingthe faithful remnant that was already there.18200:11:11.210 --> 00:11:15.649You know, families like yours,the Benom's Vicky, so many others that18300:11:16.129 --> 00:11:20.399you know, had just jumped inand we're doing everything they could to bring18400:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.080life to these families. And Ireally believe that that remnant has plowed a18500:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.519hard ground. Yeah, and we'rereally reaping. We're seeing some things that18600:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.269are happening because of the ground thatwas plowed by groups like cities for life18700:11:33.269 --> 00:11:37.269and so many faithful families that wereout here when nobody else knew, no,18800:11:37.549 --> 00:11:41.029true, nobody else knew about theabortion clinic. You guys were continue18900:11:41.110 --> 00:11:43.710to be faithful day after day.You've been doing this for what, thirteen19000:11:43.750 --> 00:11:46.909years? His sins too, sincetwo thousand and five. Yeah, and19100:11:46.029 --> 00:11:50.179so, man, just honor you, Bro like you've inspired me, my19200:11:50.379 --> 00:11:54.340family so many others. But Iknew that you it wasn't just the work19300:11:54.460 --> 00:11:56.500for you guys to do, like, yes, it is for the body19400:11:56.580 --> 00:12:00.940of Christ, right, yeah,and it's too much to shoulder just for19500:12:01.059 --> 00:12:03.330a handful of families. So theLord you have began doing a work in19600:12:03.409 --> 00:12:07.129me of just, you know,how can we bring in the Church of19700:12:07.169 --> 00:12:11.690Jesus Christ as a whole in thiscity to activate them, to give them19800:12:11.769 --> 00:12:16.360a vehicle to experience what I experienced, you know, seeing it being yeah,19900:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.879broken over the issue and then beingled with compassion to actually do,20000:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.399you know, real things that needto be done in our city, hard20100:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.200things, to lay our lives downso that others can live. And so20200:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.429that's, you know, another thingthat I just remember from that day.20300:12:31.029 --> 00:12:35.750I remember thinking, man, ifthirty people were dying in a local elementary20400:12:35.750 --> 00:12:39.830school, or Middle School, whateveryou want to put on it, right,20500:12:39.429 --> 00:12:43.149if that was happening, this thingwould be national news in a matter20600:12:43.149 --> 00:12:46.139of seconds. The FBI, theSWAT, everybody would be running to the20700:12:46.220 --> 00:12:50.100scene. Yeah, and I didn'tbelieve the local church would be running to20800:12:50.220 --> 00:12:54.500Celia scenarios right, to bring healing, to bring protection in those families.20900:12:54.500 --> 00:12:58.259And so again, as I cameto the revelation that this is that these21000:12:58.259 --> 00:13:01.009are children were talking about. Godsees zero difference between the kids in the21100:13:01.049 --> 00:13:05.090womb and the kids outside of thewomb, I said, how come we're21200:13:05.169 --> 00:13:09.210not running to the scene in greaternumbers, because we have people that are21300:13:09.250 --> 00:13:13.440dying in this building six days aweek and we don't know where else that's21400:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.639going to take place. Right wedon't know what the next school shooting is21500:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.159going to take place. We don'tknow when the next homicide is going to21600:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.080take place or where it's going tohappen, but we do know we're around21700:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.389twenty to thirty children are going todie every day in our city. So21800:13:28.470 --> 00:13:30.990therefore we should be running to thescene. And so this is just a21900:13:31.110 --> 00:13:35.269burden that the Lord began putting inmy heart. And then fast forward a22000:13:35.350 --> 00:13:39.429two thousand and fifteen. Is whenthe Lord really downloaded the strategy for what22100:13:39.590 --> 00:13:43.340that looks like. Yeah, anda little bit of that strategy. Yeah.22200:13:43.700 --> 00:13:46.860So just again, this was ina season of just seeking the Lord,22300:13:46.899 --> 00:13:48.980and I remember the kind of thefirst email that came through. I22400:13:50.019 --> 00:13:52.620think you you sent it to Davidand David sent it to me, or22500:13:52.659 --> 00:13:56.730obviously send it to both both ofus, like here's this strategy. Yeah,22600:13:56.769 --> 00:14:00.049and it's like this, this dudelike has gotten something from the Lord,22700:14:00.129 --> 00:14:01.889like he's gotten something kind of laidout here. So, yeah,22800:14:01.889 --> 00:14:05.330yeah, I remember. It's Augusttwenty of two thousand and fifteen. I22900:14:05.450 --> 00:14:11.159was on my living room floor andjust seeking the face of God and felt23000:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.279him speak very clearly to me thatday. I've called you to the least23100:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.960of these and I've called you tobe a voice for the voiceless. Yeah,23200:14:16.279 --> 00:14:20.679and you know, again, thishad already seated, already been planted23300:14:20.720 --> 00:14:22.600in my heart and we had gotinvolved, you know, with some things23400:14:22.639 --> 00:14:28.190here locally. But we actually hadplans. We thought we were going to23500:14:28.230 --> 00:14:31.029do international missions. Okay, asa family. We thought that the Lord23600:14:31.149 --> 00:14:35.830was potentially even calling us to sellthe business and do some things internationally.23700:14:37.029 --> 00:14:41.299But the Lord had different plans forus. And and again, that's the23800:14:41.340 --> 00:14:43.059word that he spoke to me.And then, following that, about over23900:14:43.100 --> 00:14:46.500the course of a week, Godjust sort of waken me up in the24000:14:46.539 --> 00:14:50.379middle of the night. I wasn'table to sleep that much and during that24100:14:50.500 --> 00:14:52.889time just started journaling the things thatthe God was putting in my heart.24200:14:54.730 --> 00:14:56.769And that's what became love life,the things that he was downloading to me24300:14:56.850 --> 00:15:01.610during over that course of the week, and took me into the book of24400:15:01.649 --> 00:15:03.970Nehemiah, and a lot of thestrategy came from the Amiah. Yeah,24500:15:05.049 --> 00:15:09.840and so the whole mission is unitingand mobilizing the church. Yeah, we24600:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.240believe the church is the key elementhere to create a culture of love and24700:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.080life. That would result to anend too, abortion and the orphan crisis.24800:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.080And so what we what we alwayssay is we believe God's called the24900:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.350church to shape the culture. Politicianlegislation that's downstream there to follow the culture.25000:15:24.789 --> 00:15:28.429We want to create a culture wherefamily stopped running to local abortion clinics25100:15:28.470 --> 00:15:31.470for the answer. They start runningto the local church. Yeah, and25200:15:31.710 --> 00:15:35.779again, just standing on the wordof God. Matthew Sixteen Eighteen says the25300:15:35.820 --> 00:15:37.860gates of hell will not prevail againstthe church. It's the church is so25400:15:37.980 --> 00:15:43.179key here in Matthew Sixteen nineteen thathe's given us the keys to the kingdom.25500:15:43.220 --> 00:15:45.500Whatever we bond on earth, webound in heaven. A we loose25600:15:45.580 --> 00:15:48.899on earth, be loose in heaven, says Co Laboring with the Lord that25700:15:48.980 --> 00:15:52.730he desires. I fully believe Godwants to see abortion in more than we25800:15:52.850 --> 00:15:54.490do. Yeah, he's just beenwaiting for his bride. When waiting for25900:15:54.529 --> 00:15:58.169their church. Yeah, the Colaborwith them in this mission is some.26000:15:58.370 --> 00:16:02.169Some flip says, which is likea classic quote, is abortion won't end26100:16:02.210 --> 00:16:04.679in this country until the Church ofJesus Christ ascided that it will. And26200:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.279I believe that's a true statement.Absolutely. And Flip was there that day26300:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.879when I first came out in twothousand and twelve and okay, I believe26400:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.559he shared that with me then andjust started seating some things in my heart26500:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.149of you know, the importance ofthe local church. Yeah, and getting26600:16:18.190 --> 00:16:22.629involved in this thing. And sothat's the mission of Love Life we've we26700:16:23.149 --> 00:16:26.590use a vehicle, it's just avehicle, to mobilize a church or what26800:16:26.629 --> 00:16:30.509we call all a forty week journeyof hope. Yeah, and again this26900:16:30.629 --> 00:16:33.779was part of the strategy that theLord Download. But the forty weeks is,27000:16:34.019 --> 00:16:37.899you know, the time from conceptionto birth, and we give each27100:16:37.059 --> 00:16:41.460partnering Church at least we ask themto take at least one week out of27200:16:41.500 --> 00:16:44.940the forty weeks. Many take multipleweeks, but say take at least one27300:16:44.980 --> 00:16:49.370week to mobilize your people through whatwe call adoption week. And in adoption27400:16:49.529 --> 00:16:53.809week we walker people through four steps. We want them to hear, pray,27500:16:55.250 --> 00:16:57.850go and connect. So the herepieces education. Right, we got27600:16:57.970 --> 00:17:00.919to know really what's happening in ourbackyard. Most people don't know, as27700:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.960I didn't know, Oh yeah,that abortion is the leading cause of death27800:17:04.039 --> 00:17:07.599in our city. Most people arecompletely unaware. When I share that stat27900:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.839in churches they're like what, yeah, more death is happening through abortion and28000:17:12.200 --> 00:17:17.549cancer or heart disease or anything else. Yeah, at days combine. That's28100:17:17.549 --> 00:17:21.710the reality of what's happening in ourcities. These are children that we're talking28200:17:21.789 --> 00:17:23.190about. And then, of course, you know, what does God's words28300:17:23.230 --> 00:17:26.549say about life? And but wedon't stop there. That's just step one.28400:17:27.390 --> 00:17:30.500That's typically a lot of times wherewe have stopped as as a church28500:17:30.539 --> 00:17:34.059right and in the past, andwe call the church to prayer and fasting28600:17:34.099 --> 00:17:40.420on their Wednesday of their adoption week, because we believe this is spiritual battle28700:17:40.460 --> 00:17:42.700that must be fought with spiritual weapons. And when we pray and we fast,28800:17:42.779 --> 00:17:47.450it aligns our heart with the father'sheart. So it's a critical element.28900:17:47.490 --> 00:17:48.849Mark Nine hundred and twenty nine.This kind can only come out through29000:17:48.849 --> 00:17:53.009prayer and fasting. But then again, we don't stop at step two.29100:17:53.049 --> 00:17:56.890We say we got to go tostep three, which is we want a29200:17:56.009 --> 00:18:00.039prayer walk, we want to goto the brokenness in our city and you29300:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.640know, to do a prayer walk. So we do that for forty weeks.29400:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.000From nine to eleven in the morningis the prayer walks. When people29500:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.920come, they we try to makeit as turn key as possible. So,29600:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.789yes, which people show up?You know, they're greeted by volunteers29700:18:12.829 --> 00:18:17.349or help people parking their cars.They come in, they get a free29800:18:17.430 --> 00:18:19.470love life t shirt, they getthe wristband, they get our prayer card29900:18:19.829 --> 00:18:23.349that has our code of conduct onit, and then for two hours we30000:18:23.549 --> 00:18:27.259worship, we pray, we usethe weapons that God has given us,30100:18:27.339 --> 00:18:33.259those things, the word of God, testimonies, and we allow people to30200:18:33.339 --> 00:18:37.779have that moment that I had righttwo thousand and twelve, to see it30300:18:37.940 --> 00:18:41.210for themselves, let the Lord breaktheir heart. And then, at the30400:18:41.250 --> 00:18:45.970end of the prayer walk we sayit's great that you've heard and you've prayed30500:18:47.130 --> 00:18:52.009and you've come today, but nowwe're asking you to begin the rebuilding process30600:18:52.089 --> 00:18:55.529here in our city, to getconnected beyond the prayer walk, which is30700:18:55.529 --> 00:18:57.720step for rebuilding you means that connectionwith the Ami am y on the w30800:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.400on the wall, you know.So what is your place on the wall?30900:19:00.640 --> 00:19:03.599Like you know, are you calledto be a sidewalk counselor with cities31000:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.240for life? Are you called tobe a mentor for a mom or dad31100:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.950that's made the choice for life?Right, I see you know, sidewalk31200:19:11.990 --> 00:19:15.390counseling and frontlines ministry a lot likea rescue system. Yeah, you're open31300:19:15.430 --> 00:19:19.069snatch people out of the fire.It's a critical, critical element. Yeah,31400:19:19.069 --> 00:19:22.150and if you feel called to that, great, get trained up and31500:19:22.269 --> 00:19:26.339get get in the fight. Butsome might be called more of the rehabilitation31600:19:26.740 --> 00:19:30.660yea process. Right. Then,mentoring element of saying hey, you know,31700:19:32.059 --> 00:19:33.700we're not here just to tell youthat there's help available for you,31800:19:33.819 --> 00:19:37.769we want to connect you into alocal church with a mentor that's going to31900:19:37.849 --> 00:19:41.250walk with you. So some arecalled to be mentors, some are called32000:19:41.289 --> 00:19:45.210a sidewalk council, some are calledto foster or adopt. We believe this32100:19:45.329 --> 00:19:47.769is a big part of the cultureshift. Yeah, I'm going to care32200:19:47.769 --> 00:19:49.849about the orphan in the womb andalso the orphonos. One of the dynamics32300:19:49.930 --> 00:19:52.359to you, you know, Ijust jump in here quick as that.32400:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.400If you talk to women that cometo an abortion clinic, I don't want32500:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.119a statistic is you might know,but a lot of these women that come32600:19:59.160 --> 00:20:02.599to an abortion clinic are, we'rein the foster care system themselves and in32700:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.400sword I col yeah, it's likethere's a cycle that can be broken.32800:20:06.440 --> 00:20:08.869So we can get into the fostercare system and bring the Gospel to these32900:20:08.950 --> 00:20:11.910kids when they're young, then theywon't end up there. But yeah,33000:20:11.950 --> 00:20:15.509exactly. Mean in North Carolina there'sTwelveero kids in the foster care system.33100:20:15.509 --> 00:20:18.750That fluctuates, you know, ofcourse, but around Twelvezero kids in the33200:20:18.789 --> 00:20:22.980foster care system, about Zozo ofthose kids are clear and free for adoption33300:20:23.019 --> 00:20:26.740immediately. Is Waiting for mom anda dad that will adopt them, and33400:20:26.819 --> 00:20:30.660most people are unaware it, justas I was, that there's zero cost33500:20:30.779 --> 00:20:33.819financially to adopt one of those kids. Yeah, you know when you're when33600:20:33.819 --> 00:20:37.529you're adopting a kid out of thefoster care system. So, yeah,33700:20:37.569 --> 00:20:40.089we believe this is the role ofthe church. Is Not the role of33800:20:40.170 --> 00:20:44.650government. Psalm Sixty eight five tellsus that a father to the fatherless,33900:20:44.650 --> 00:20:48.849a defender of widows, is Godand is wholly dwelling. He takes the34000:20:48.970 --> 00:20:52.160lonely and he sets some in families. Yeah, so we always challenge a34100:20:52.200 --> 00:20:53.839church. I don't that we saywe don't believe. God's calling us to34200:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.759build more orphanages. He's calling usto adopt more kids. Yeah, and34300:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.279the church is the answer for thatand if, if the light doesn't disciple34400:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.589these kids, the darkness gladly will. Well, yeah, and so to34500:21:06.670 --> 00:21:08.910your point, as we bring thesekids into godly homes, not just any34600:21:08.990 --> 00:21:14.150home, and to godly homes,we can really begin to see the culture34700:21:14.269 --> 00:21:18.269shift. Yeah. So this isagain adoption week. Here, pray,34800:21:18.430 --> 00:21:22.460go connect. This is how wemobilize the church. This all comes out34900:21:22.500 --> 00:21:25.059of Neemiah. Yeah, the amI went on the same exact journey.35000:21:25.059 --> 00:21:27.940He heard the tragedy that was happeningin Jerusalem. That's where nee my one35100:21:29.059 --> 00:21:33.490begins. His brother comes and shareswith him about the brokenness and Jerusalem.35200:21:33.970 --> 00:21:37.890So we educate people. Then heturned a prayer and fasting, which is35300:21:37.930 --> 00:21:41.009stepped to. Yeah, but hedidn't stop there and I think a lot35400:21:41.049 --> 00:21:44.970of times again, as Christians,we kind of stopped there. And because,35500:21:45.569 --> 00:21:48.240listen, we believe in the powerof prayer. Right, prayer and35600:21:48.279 --> 00:21:51.359fasting is the backbone of our ofour campaign. But we also are called35700:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.839to lay our lives down, asfirst John Three, sixteen and eighteen tells35800:21:53.880 --> 00:22:00.519us to do. And so wesee Nehemiah. He leaves his palace where35900:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.390he was and he goes to thebrokenness, yeah, to Jerusalem, where36000:22:03.390 --> 00:22:07.549the brokenness is, and that's whatwe're saying to the church. It's time36100:22:07.589 --> 00:22:11.750for us to leave our palaces andto go to the brokenness of our city,36200:22:11.069 --> 00:22:14.990which is the prayer walk. That'sthe prayer the prayer walk element.36300:22:15.029 --> 00:22:18.299That happens every Saturday's and then therebuilding begins. Yeah, after that,36400:22:18.460 --> 00:22:22.859in Chapter Three, thee my chapterthree, the rebuilding process begins and we36500:22:22.940 --> 00:22:27.339see a beautiful picture of unity.And Chapter Yeah, which is the father's36600:22:27.380 --> 00:22:30.930heart. We know, we seethat the Levites stood next to the priest36700:22:32.049 --> 00:22:34.809a priesthood next to the merchant andmerchant next to the Goldsmith, and so36800:22:34.890 --> 00:22:38.529we're calling for the church to dothe same, for the Baptists, stand36900:22:38.569 --> 00:22:42.609next to the Presbyterians, Presbyterians nextto the pentecostle's, pen acostles, next37000:22:42.650 --> 00:22:48.160to non denomination, as well asother parachurch organizations. Because it's united body37100:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.200of Christ it's going to break thestronghold of abortion. Yes, city,37200:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.079and so that's the mission, that'sthe download that the Lord has given us.37300:22:56.079 --> 00:22:57.160We've been doing it for about threeand a half years. Yeah,37400:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.269we're here in Charlotte, Greens growand Rowley now and we launch a New37500:23:00.269 --> 00:23:03.789York City there, which is whichis amazing, that you're going to launched37600:23:03.789 --> 00:23:07.630there in New York. Talk Realquick, if you could, because I37700:23:07.710 --> 00:23:08.990know there's going to be people thatwill listen to this podcast. You know,37800:23:10.029 --> 00:23:12.059it's called Gospel centered pro life andand what I get from you and37900:23:12.740 --> 00:23:17.859anyone within our ministry, anyone withinthe prolife movement that I'm connected with,38000:23:18.339 --> 00:23:21.019if you ask them why they're prolife, they're going to go right to38100:23:21.099 --> 00:23:23.460Jesus, the Gospel God change myheart. He got a hold of my38200:23:23.539 --> 00:23:26.210heart for this issue and I'm doingit because of what he's done in my38300:23:26.329 --> 00:23:29.609heart. So that's that's what I'mgetting from you, which is which is38400:23:29.650 --> 00:23:32.529awesome. But there's going to bepeople to listen to this podcast that are38500:23:32.609 --> 00:23:34.529thinking like, okay, I'm outhere on the Sidewalker, I'm here in38600:23:34.569 --> 00:23:37.730a pregnancy center and I'm doing thiswork and I just don't feel like anybody's38700:23:37.769 --> 00:23:41.640coming along. I don't feel likethe Church has risen up in my city.38800:23:41.960 --> 00:23:44.079How in the world are they ableto do it there? And you38900:23:44.119 --> 00:23:45.839kind of say, well, weget this package thing that we bring to39000:23:45.920 --> 00:23:51.000a pasture, we share it withthem and they can get on board and39100:23:51.039 --> 00:23:52.000they get on board and they comeout and they do the prayer walks.39200:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.470But what are some of the things? Because some, you know, people39300:23:56.470 --> 00:23:57.869aren't going to be able. ALLPEOPLE WARN'T gonna be able to do that,39400:23:57.990 --> 00:24:00.710but to get a package thing.But they can still encourage people to39500:24:00.789 --> 00:24:04.950pray. So one of the someof the things that you've learned that you39600:24:06.109 --> 00:24:07.869can say to a pastor to reallyget his heart. I know some of39700:24:07.910 --> 00:24:11.259US going to be some of thestuff you've already said. But there are39800:24:11.299 --> 00:24:15.539the other barriers. You know.I just share real quick. There's barriers39900:24:15.539 --> 00:24:18.220as far as I'm concerned. WhenI speak to a pastor and I say40000:24:18.220 --> 00:24:19.380hey, we got to an abortionclinic, we offer help and hope.40100:24:19.380 --> 00:24:22.140In the name of Jesus, theythink, Oh, you're those people that40200:24:22.220 --> 00:24:25.970stand in front of an abortion clinichold up pictures of dead babies and yellow40300:24:25.970 --> 00:24:27.369women right now. So I haveto tear that stigma down. I have40400:24:27.490 --> 00:24:30.569to have to come after that thingright away. Are you get some of40500:24:30.650 --> 00:24:33.650that? And for sure? Imean that's definitely kind of the stigma.40600:24:33.769 --> 00:24:37.569The most pro life, you know, ministry is viewed in especially if it's40700:24:37.569 --> 00:24:41.839done out an abortion clinic. Yeah, and so what we we've done.40800:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.640And when we started small man,our very first prayer walk, we had40900:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.240twenty two people. You, yeah, remember. Yeah. And and just41000:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.599we started with, you know,those that were close to us, of41100:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.589course, my own pastor. Yeah, my pastor Jeff was all in from41200:24:56.630 --> 00:24:57.990the very again it. He's agood brother. Yeah. And so just41300:24:59.029 --> 00:25:02.950I would encourage people to start withyour pastor start with your church, start41400:25:02.950 --> 00:25:07.099with people maybe that you know areyour friends and their church. But the41500:25:07.460 --> 00:25:12.619easiest way that we have found onboard churches to get them involved in pro41600:25:12.740 --> 00:25:18.500life work is say, come withme for one hour to the abortion clinic.41700:25:18.579 --> 00:25:21.490We call it a Onehour journey.Yeah, we call it. And41800:25:21.569 --> 00:25:23.849they come out for one hour andwe do something very similar. That was41900:25:23.970 --> 00:25:27.529done with me in two thousand andtwelve. Yeah, it's a simple invitation42000:25:29.809 --> 00:25:33.690to for people to come out seeit for themselves. So I would bring42100:25:33.730 --> 00:25:37.680people out, we educate them,we let them know how many abortions are42200:25:37.680 --> 00:25:41.480happening every day, how many abortionsare happening every week, because most pastors42300:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.880don't know that. Another staggering thingthat most pastors are unaware of is that42400:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.759these are private businesses for the mostpart, except for the plan parenthoods and42500:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.630a few others, but these areprivately owned businesses that are bringing in millions42600:25:52.670 --> 00:25:56.869of dollars a year doing nothing butabortions. Yeah, so we educate these42700:25:56.950 --> 00:26:00.029people in this one hour and thenwe just spend time in prayer together.42800:26:00.069 --> 00:26:03.269Yeah, just say let's let's pray. Man, there's lives on the line.42900:26:03.299 --> 00:26:07.619We're standing between the living and thedead right now, and in that43000:26:07.819 --> 00:26:11.619time, in that moment of education, awareness and prayer, God begins to43100:26:11.779 --> 00:26:15.940break the heart of the shepherds andthe pastors in our city. And then43200:26:17.019 --> 00:26:18.849at the end of it, typicallythey want to know art what I need43300:26:18.890 --> 00:26:23.250to do. Yeah, let's dosomething. So you basically like the Lord43400:26:23.369 --> 00:26:26.690set you up. Yeah, right, I'm the Lord. Set me up.43500:26:26.690 --> 00:26:29.930In that scenario, you kind ofsetting them up for the Holy Spirit43600:26:30.009 --> 00:26:32.730to do his words. Right.You know, I mentioned yesterday to you,43700:26:32.809 --> 00:26:37.440and Andre, Andre is the citydirector here in Charlotte, about how43800:26:37.519 --> 00:26:40.920the prayer walks really, in mymind, are a short term mission trip,43900:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.039though no one goes on a fullterm mission like sales everything and goes44000:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.630out to the Philippines or China orwhatever. Without, typically without having first44100:26:48.670 --> 00:26:53.309gone out on a short term mission, get their heart really from the Lord,44200:26:53.390 --> 00:26:57.829get their heart chains for that thatcity or that that village or that44300:26:57.950 --> 00:27:02.660country or whatever. And so that'skind of what you're doing with these pastors44400:27:02.700 --> 00:27:06.059and with these these individuals, okaylutelyexposing them to the thing where it takes44500:27:06.099 --> 00:27:08.299place and let in the Holy Spiritdo his work. That's it. Yeah,44600:27:08.299 --> 00:27:11.019I think that's that's right on themoney and we hear from pastors all44700:27:11.059 --> 00:27:15.849the time the church that I broughtout to the prayer walk is a completely44800:27:15.930 --> 00:27:21.490different congregation that I brought back afterthe prayer walk. And that's what short44900:27:21.529 --> 00:27:25.250term mission trips do. Yeah,mean stirs up not just for pro life45000:27:25.329 --> 00:27:27.410work, but really anything. Imean just serving in the nursery, you45100:27:27.490 --> 00:27:32.880know. You know, their congregationwants to serve in more ways after,45200:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.240you know, the short term missiontrip. Yeah, that's the same with45300:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.240the pastors, and so I wouldencourage people to do that. Just,45400:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.960you know, a simple invitation.You know, kind of start with the45500:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.230people that you have, yeah,people in your network ready, you know,45600:27:45.390 --> 00:27:49.069and and be educated. Educate yourselfon it first, so as you45700:27:49.190 --> 00:27:52.869stand there, you're able to educatethem on what's happening. Abortions are happening45800:27:52.990 --> 00:27:56.670on these days. You know,typically this amount of people are here,45900:27:57.309 --> 00:28:00.700you know, so that you canshare that information with these pastors or whoever46000:28:00.779 --> 00:28:04.819you're taking out there, spend timein prayer. And I would say kind46100:28:04.819 --> 00:28:08.140of a next phase of that is, if you decide to go beyond that,46200:28:10.460 --> 00:28:14.970doing the best that you can toreally create a vehicle or turnkey package46300:28:15.089 --> 00:28:18.690for people to get involved in thiswork. One of the pastors yesterday gave46400:28:19.450 --> 00:28:22.970well, we take as an incrediblecompliment because we work so hard on this46500:28:23.089 --> 00:28:26.690element. He said, man,I just want to just want to say46600:28:26.849 --> 00:28:32.000that what you guys have done toactivate us, our body, our church46700:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.039and pro life ministry, what youhave really done for us. You've made46800:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.480it doable. Yeah, you've madeit doable. It just kind of seemed46900:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.190kind of, you know, likeit was going to be such a big47000:28:41.230 --> 00:28:45.470mountain to climb, but the wayit's been packaged, you've made it doable47100:28:45.589 --> 00:28:52.069for us and so anythings that youcan do to make it a turnkey opportunity47200:28:52.109 --> 00:28:55.630for people to serve, I thinkyou have more success. Yeah, what47300:28:55.740 --> 00:28:57.619are some of the some of theobstacles, though, is you talked to47400:28:57.740 --> 00:29:02.339pastors, you share with, youknow, with people who you know you47500:29:02.700 --> 00:29:04.420want to get involved. You knowyou want them to, you want their47600:29:04.500 --> 00:29:08.019heart for this thing. What aresome of the obstacles? You've answered that47700:29:08.059 --> 00:29:11.170a little bit. What are someof the obstacles that maybe you face it?47800:29:11.210 --> 00:29:15.450You hadn't talked about. Yeah,it's good question, man. I47900:29:15.529 --> 00:29:19.089mean I think you know, honestly, most of us, if we just48000:29:19.170 --> 00:29:22.690get down to it, you know, the really boil it down, we're48100:29:22.690 --> 00:29:26.519just really selfish. Yeah, ifyou're just right, I say how it48200:29:26.640 --> 00:29:32.359is s class of the big obscureand and so. And also, along48300:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.319with that, I think also we'vebecome numb and a lot of ways to48400:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.319this. Like, I'm thirty fouryears old, so I grew up in48500:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.430a culture of death, yeah,meaning that abortion was always legal on demand.48600:29:41.509 --> 00:29:45.630It's all I ever known. Yeah, and so I think for a48700:29:45.710 --> 00:29:49.109lot of us we just have grownup with this always being the case and48800:29:49.190 --> 00:29:52.220in some ways we kind of justthink it always is going to be the48900:29:52.380 --> 00:29:56.019case. Yeah, first, versusunderstanding the time that we live in and49000:29:56.059 --> 00:30:00.460saying we're going to stand against thecultural tide of our day. But I49100:30:00.579 --> 00:30:03.339think it's, you know, kindof the numbness, the callousmist towards the49200:30:03.420 --> 00:30:07.769issue in a lot of ways,but then also just the selfishness. Yeah,49300:30:07.769 --> 00:30:11.289a lot of US carry so.But I think you break a lot49400:30:11.369 --> 00:30:15.170of that down by doing what Isaid earlier, getting people out there.49500:30:15.250 --> 00:30:17.369We get them out, they gethim out there. Yeah, like God49600:30:17.410 --> 00:30:18.970break their heart. One of theone of the challenges, and I know49700:30:19.089 --> 00:30:23.720you've encountered this as well as youtalk to just pastors but also to just49800:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.880individual Christians, is like, okay, we have this issue called abortion.49900:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.240Yeah, they're taking innocent lives.You get the political push back, like50000:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.039this is the political thing. Idon't really want to deal with politics.50100:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.109For sure, I get that.Yeah, it's great. I'm glad he50200:30:36.150 --> 00:30:38.430brought that up. Yeah, wedo. Honestly, we don't deal with50300:30:38.630 --> 00:30:42.349it once we get people out tothe abortion clinic. Hardly at all.50400:30:42.549 --> 00:30:48.029Right, yeah, it's like thatalmost erases so many things. But kind50500:30:48.029 --> 00:30:51.779of prior to that you get thatmore and very seldom will get it after.50600:30:51.980 --> 00:30:55.339But but yeah, I mean Ithink you know, just hitting that50700:30:55.460 --> 00:30:56.660head on and just, you know, challenging people to say, look,50800:30:56.700 --> 00:31:00.740this is not a political issue.This is a moral issue. Just because50900:31:00.859 --> 00:31:07.730politicians talk about the poor doesn't makepoverty political. Yeah, I mean,51000:31:07.809 --> 00:31:11.450politicians talk about the poor all thetime, but no pastor would say that51100:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.569the issue of the poor is political, right, yeah, it's so in51200:31:15.690 --> 00:31:18.799some way Satan has like deceived us. Oh yeah, and if thinking that51300:31:19.240 --> 00:31:25.960this moral issue is political, andand also we see in scripture, and51400:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.240you know, that John the Baptistspoke to the political leaders of his day51500:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.759and it cost him his head.Yeah, I mean, I don't know51600:31:32.990 --> 00:31:36.990where we get that we shouldn't speakeven to things that are in the political51700:31:37.029 --> 00:31:40.789realm. But just it's a copout, you know, just a backs51800:31:40.789 --> 00:31:42.309up. I mean, it's nota political issue. These are children that51900:31:42.349 --> 00:31:47.460we're talking about, these are peoplethat are dying in the same way of52000:31:48.259 --> 00:31:52.259when slavery was happening in the mideighteen hundreds, you know, when black52100:31:52.299 --> 00:31:56.180people were being hung from trees.You know, Yep, politicians were talking52200:31:56.259 --> 00:32:00.420about that all the time. Butwould we, as the Church today say52300:32:00.490 --> 00:32:04.690that slavery is a political issue?No, we wouldn't. Write. I52400:32:04.690 --> 00:32:07.769mean these are children, these arechildren of God that we're talking about.52500:32:08.690 --> 00:32:13.289So I just would challenge that,thinking in a loving way. I would52600:32:13.289 --> 00:32:16.200be very graceful about it, pointpeople to scripture and just walcome through it.52700:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.559Yeah, so just about five moreminutes before we wrap up, but52800:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.160I didn't want to ask you aquestion because you're again you're new to the52900:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.920pro life movements. Far As someare concerned, you know, I've been53000:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.829people like we mentioned flip Beenham earlier, have been in the stank for,53100:32:30.990 --> 00:32:34.430you know, thirty plus years.You have other people even within our ministry,53200:32:34.509 --> 00:32:37.309have been in this thing longer thanI have, which is amazing.53300:32:37.869 --> 00:32:42.789But being kind of new on thepro life scene, are there some things53400:32:42.910 --> 00:32:46.859within the pro life movement not notto be critical? Obviously we can't,53500:32:47.180 --> 00:32:50.380you know, I can criticize everybodyor you should be doing this, you53600:32:50.420 --> 00:32:52.700should be doing that, and Iknow you're you. That's just not your53700:32:52.779 --> 00:32:54.500heart. It's not my heart either. But if there're things you think that53800:32:54.619 --> 00:32:58.650we could do better give are therethings that you think that the pro life53900:32:58.730 --> 00:33:04.650movement has sort of failed hone orit just ainting constructive? Yeah, criticism.54000:33:04.769 --> 00:33:07.970I mean it again. I justbegin with I have seen families like54100:33:08.089 --> 00:33:12.880yourself and the Benom's and flip andthe hell dress and so many others that54200:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.319have really paved the way. Ithink it's so many ways for this,54300:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.839you know, till that hard ground, and I really believe we're getting to54400:33:19.920 --> 00:33:24.720stand on your shoulders today in manyways. But you know, the Lord54500:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.029just gave again. I didn't comein with, you know, like being54600:33:30.109 --> 00:33:32.029raised up in front of an abortionclinic or anything like that, at an54700:33:32.069 --> 00:33:37.109amazing family that always led me andtaught me the things of God and lived54800:33:37.109 --> 00:33:40.069it out in the home. ButI wasn't raised like your kids been raised54900:33:40.069 --> 00:33:43.700in front of an abortion clinic.Yeah, so I kind of just came55000:33:43.779 --> 00:33:47.099into it with a fresh perspective.Yeah, and again it was a download55100:33:47.579 --> 00:33:53.779from heaven really, but I justbelieve that as the Church of Jesus Christ,55200:33:54.930 --> 00:33:59.849you know that we have the hope, we have the answers and and55300:34:00.009 --> 00:34:05.049so therefore God is calling us,the church, to do hard things.55400:34:06.089 --> 00:34:08.809If there's one message I can giveto the church, it's people in pro55500:34:08.969 --> 00:34:14.039life as well. He's calling usto deny ourselves and pick up our cross55600:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.280and follow him. That that isthe call that he is giving us here55700:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.360today. And so for those inthe pro life movement, maybe you've been55800:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.960doing it for many, many years. I just want to encourage him to55900:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.070keep going them. Yeah, justkeep going, keep going. We will56000:34:25.110 --> 00:34:28.989see an end to this thing.Yeah, we will, and will look56100:34:29.070 --> 00:34:32.190back on this thing and say,remember when in our children will grow up,56200:34:32.190 --> 00:34:37.829I believe, in a country andin a nation that respects life once56300:34:37.949 --> 00:34:40.739again. So I main encouragement forthem is to keep going. The other56400:34:40.860 --> 00:34:44.460piece I would say that I thinkit's critical. I know I'm not answering56500:34:44.460 --> 00:34:46.619your question directly, but I'm yeah, I feel like I'm giving an overall56600:34:46.820 --> 00:34:52.380understanding of this is that there's manydifferent parts of the body and God is56700:34:52.420 --> 00:34:54.369to design them in all many differentways. Yeah, and I think a56800:34:54.489 --> 00:34:59.610lot of times what we do inthe pro life movement, or whatever else56900:34:59.650 --> 00:35:01.769you want to put it, acrossthe body of Christ is we criticize one57000:35:01.809 --> 00:35:07.159another because because we don't match upmaybe with that gifting. Yeah, if57100:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.000my gifting is mercy and your giftingis the prophetic edge, then I'm going57200:35:12.039 --> 00:35:17.119to cast my gifting through my lensupon you right expecting you to operate out57300:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.199of the gifting of mercy as well. And I think a lot of times57400:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.909vice verse is always true. Theperson with the prophetic edge is looking through57500:35:23.949 --> 00:35:29.710their lens and casting their gifting uponthe rest of the body of Christ.57600:35:29.829 --> 00:35:34.949Yeah, versus honoring each other's Giftings, respecting each other's giftings and say,57700:35:35.030 --> 00:35:37.539man, I'm thankful that there's manydifferent parts in the body. Again,57800:35:37.579 --> 00:35:38.739he's told us that some are theeyes, some of the ear or some57900:35:38.820 --> 00:35:42.940of the knows, some of theirhand. And so I think at the58000:35:43.099 --> 00:35:45.219heart of it, man, that'sa really key thing for us to catch58100:35:45.460 --> 00:35:49.860in the pro life movement in thechurch as a whole, is to honor58200:35:49.900 --> 00:35:53.570each other's giftings recognize them. It'sbecause when they all come together, that's58300:35:53.570 --> 00:35:57.530when we experience the fullness, yeah, the body of yeah, absolutely.58400:35:58.329 --> 00:36:01.690Other than that, man, Ijust would say that engaging the local church58500:36:01.849 --> 00:36:05.679is a critical thing. Yeah,I know most pro life groups try to58600:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.039do that, but versus being frustratedby the local church and, yeah,58700:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.679I'm just going to do it allthen forget about it, like we're going58800:36:13.719 --> 00:36:15.519to launch this Paratrich Para Church Organization. We're going to do it all,58900:36:16.079 --> 00:36:21.469find a way to come alongside thelocal church, to equip the local church,59000:36:21.909 --> 00:36:24.670to give them the tools that areneeded to accomplish the mission, yeah,59100:36:24.949 --> 00:36:28.670versus us just kind of carrying ourselves. Yeah, yeah, that's a59200:36:28.670 --> 00:36:31.150good word. Yeah, it's agood word and I think we'll end with59300:36:31.230 --> 00:36:35.699that. I appreciate you shake him, but appreciate what the Lord's doing through59400:36:36.500 --> 00:36:38.300through you guys. I'm actually goingto have Andreal and hopefully in a couple59500:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.820of a couple of weeks, totalk about prayer and worship in front of59600:36:40.860 --> 00:36:44.300an abortion clinic, because a lotof people don't think about praying worship.59700:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.059He's really got a hard, sordidyeah, so I want to talk about59800:36:46.059 --> 00:36:50.130that with him, but I appreciateyou coming. Appreciate all you guys who59900:36:50.170 --> 00:36:52.329watch and who are listening and hopeyou're encouraged by these episodes. We're going60000:36:52.329 --> 00:36:57.449to keep putting out episodes really centeredaround pro life issues in light of the60100:36:57.489 --> 00:37:00.170Gospel. If you want to connectwith us as a ministry. Again,60200:37:00.210 --> 00:37:02.639this is not to promote cities forlife. This is just for us to60300:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.480help you guys, to help equipyou guys. But you can connect with60400:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.360cities for life with at Charlotte dotcities for Life Dot Org, and then60500:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.320we also have a website that's reallynational to encourage people's not, you know,60600:37:15.440 --> 00:37:16.550trying to get people to come underour ban or anything like that.60700:37:16.710 --> 00:37:22.550It's just an equipping website and thatis sidewalks for life, sidewalks the number60800:37:22.590 --> 00:37:27.710four and lifecom and there's a lotof stuff on there. Justin their website60900:37:27.869 --> 00:37:30.219is Love Life Dot Org, andyou can go into see what God's doing61000:37:30.260 --> 00:37:35.460through them. If you're in Raleigh, Greensboro, CHARLOTTE, if you're in61100:37:35.579 --> 00:37:37.739New York, coming in September,right New York City, they're going to61200:37:37.780 --> 00:37:40.340do start prayer walks there, soyou can get on more with those prayer61300:37:40.380 --> 00:37:44.329walks and see what God is doingthrough that. We just want to encourage61400:37:44.329 --> 00:37:45.889you. Guys. We appreciate allyou who are serving the Lord and whatever61500:37:46.010 --> 00:37:50.329capacity has called you to and wepray for God's blessing of you. Yeah,61600:37:50.449 --> 00:37:52.650can I just say one thing?Yeah, I just want to say61700:37:52.690 --> 00:37:54.369that in this is not because you'rehere. I say this a lot,61800:37:54.489 --> 00:38:00.199but cities for life is one ofthe greatest front lines ministries in the nation.61900:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.239If you haven't connected with Front LinesMinistry or sidewalk counseling, I don't62000:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.480encourage you. Get connected with citiuallife and they've done incredible work of putting62100:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.360together online training, as you mentionedearlier, the sidewalks for life. So62200:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.389tap into it. These guys havebeen in it for a long time.62300:38:14.429 --> 00:38:16.989If learned a lot. There's alot of DOS and don'ts in those trainings.62400:38:17.389 --> 00:38:21.150So thankful for Citiual, I think. Yeah, sure, like God's62500:38:21.190 --> 00:38:29.860Great. Yeah, all right,God bless use Milan, give me,62600:38:37.539 --> 00:38:52.929give me. It will cost memy life, but things two precious inside