Sept. 9, 2021

Mock Session - Talking to A Grandmother

Mock Session - Talking to A Grandmother

In this episode, we play for you another mock session. This mock session is a male counselor talking to the mother of an addicted pregnant woman. There are certainly some unique challenges presented so we hope this will be a blessing to you....


In this episode, we play for you another mock session. This mock session is a male counselor talking to the mother of an addicted pregnant woman. There are certainly some unique challenges presented so we hope this will be a blessing to you. 

https://sidewalks4life.com/mother-of-addicted-pregnant-adult-daughter/

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I'm yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:12.109 Lord, I am yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center 3 00:00:12.189 --> 00:00:17.589 Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in 4 00:00:17.670 --> 00:00:21.660 pro life ministry and always were the focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. 5 00:00:23.699 --> 00:00:35.890 I felt show passish touch your use. Welcome back to the Gospel Center pro 6 00:00:36.009 --> 00:00:40.170 life podcast. We appreciate you, guys, joining us and we're going to 7 00:00:40.250 --> 00:00:44.810 try to jump right into this episode. This episode is another one of our 8 00:00:44.850 --> 00:00:49.929 mock sessions. We've recorded several videos over the past couple of months of different 9 00:00:49.969 --> 00:00:55.520 counselors speaking with other counselors that are pretending to be moms going into the abortion 10 00:00:55.679 --> 00:01:00.560 center. Scenarios that we've encountered before snare scenarios that you're likely to encounter yourself 11 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:04.829 at the abortion center. And this mock session is actually with one of our 12 00:01:04.870 --> 00:01:10.790 local missionaries here, Elijah being the counselor, and Vicki is pretending to be 13 00:01:11.549 --> 00:01:14.549 a mom, and you can lay out the scenario, Vicki. Yeah, 14 00:01:14.709 --> 00:01:18.310 so I'm I'm the grandmother of the baby that's going to die. I'm the 15 00:01:18.430 --> 00:01:23.980 mother of an addicted pregnant adult daughter, and I do want to say that 16 00:01:25.340 --> 00:01:32.420 everything I say in this video playing that role is actually very true to life. 17 00:01:32.659 --> 00:01:37.689 Of what I heard when I actually did counsel a mom in this situation, 18 00:01:37.730 --> 00:01:40.650 and that's what I was thinking of, was was a this is a 19 00:01:40.810 --> 00:01:48.439 real life case study from a mom and grandmother that I that I actually counseled 20 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:53.439 very, very difficult case. Yeah, and we've gotten some feedback from folks 21 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.599 that are listening to the podcast that these mock sessions are really helpful. We 22 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:00.239 think that they're helpful. You're able to kind of listen in on. What 23 00:02:00.469 --> 00:02:04.030 are some of the things that we might say? Now, what did you 24 00:02:04.069 --> 00:02:06.469 keep him on to? Like we said, in all of these other mock 25 00:02:06.549 --> 00:02:08.870 sessions, these are these are off the cuff. Now, these are situations 26 00:02:08.909 --> 00:02:13.949 that we've encountered, right, but they're not scripted or anything like that. 27 00:02:14.509 --> 00:02:17.259 Elijah in this scenario is just doing the best you can with what comes his 28 00:02:17.419 --> 00:02:20.900 way. He knew a little bit of the scenario, right, just he 29 00:02:21.060 --> 00:02:24.659 only knew. He only knew the basic premise that this is an addicted pregnant 30 00:02:24.659 --> 00:02:28.939 adult daughter, yeah, and that this was the mom of the of the 31 00:02:29.060 --> 00:02:32.530 daughter that was about to abort. But I just said counsel, as you 32 00:02:32.569 --> 00:02:38.169 would counsel in this situation. So it really is great training to do this 33 00:02:38.370 --> 00:02:42.889 and we do recommend that our counselors do this. Yeah, just to practice, 34 00:02:43.650 --> 00:02:49.759 but yes, unrehearsed. Elijah's great and and you'll see as you listen 35 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.800 to him. Yeah, there's some really good things and so what we're going 36 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:53.879 to do, like we've done in the past, is we're going to play 37 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:58.000 it for you guys to listen to and then we're going to come back after 38 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:01.150 that. It's about five, five to six minutes long. We're going to 39 00:03:01.189 --> 00:03:05.069 come back after that and talk through some of the things that were said. 40 00:03:05.150 --> 00:03:08.430 Maybe some of the things that could have been said better, differently or whatever. 41 00:03:09.349 --> 00:03:12.389 Some of the things that were said great, and so we're going to 42 00:03:12.469 --> 00:03:15.340 talk through that with you. Hopefully this will be equipping for you guys. 43 00:03:15.379 --> 00:03:19.699 So here it is. Hey, ma'am, how you doing today? Can 44 00:03:19.740 --> 00:03:23.379 you take some information? Sure, what's this? Sure? What? Well, 45 00:03:23.500 --> 00:03:24.939 I'm out here with the ministry called Love Life, where out here offering 46 00:03:25.060 --> 00:03:29.689 hope and hope to the moms and dad's going into the abortion clinic. I 47 00:03:29.770 --> 00:03:32.009 couldn't help but notice you brought someone in there today. You might be asking 48 00:03:32.009 --> 00:03:37.289 about that. I mean it's yeah, I want to be here. This 49 00:03:37.610 --> 00:03:45.560 is it's pretty complicated. I'm I'm a God fearing Christian. I Love God, 50 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.400 but but my daughters, I mean, I can't begin to tell you 51 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:53.520 what I've been through. She's she has been a drug addict pretty much her 52 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:58.469 whole life, literally though the past twenty years, and we've had her in 53 00:03:58.590 --> 00:04:03.349 and out of Rehab and pregnant again with a guy we don't even like a 54 00:04:03.590 --> 00:04:09.069 he's dangerous, downright dangerous. But I'm raising her first shot. That my 55 00:04:09.229 --> 00:04:13.060 grandbaby. I'm raising her. I'm I've legally adopted that, that baby, 56 00:04:13.139 --> 00:04:15.620 and so here she is, pregnant again. She's doing drugs right now. 57 00:04:15.699 --> 00:04:18.500 She probably, you know, in there. If she could, she'd be 58 00:04:18.620 --> 00:04:21.980 doing drugs in there. And I I can't do this anymore. I can't. 59 00:04:23.019 --> 00:04:26.209 I you know, I'm a I'm working full time, I'm a I'm 60 00:04:26.209 --> 00:04:29.209 about you know, I thought I'd be on the verge of retirement, but 61 00:04:29.290 --> 00:04:32.610 I can't retire. I'm raising a baby and my daughter's like a second baby. 62 00:04:32.649 --> 00:04:35.490 I mean, I mean, I I'm done. I'm done it. 63 00:04:35.610 --> 00:04:40.120 You can promise me housing. I'll go get her out of there, but 64 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.439 that's that's it. That's it. I she can't live with me anymore and 65 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.240 I can't do this anymore. So well, man, that's that's a pretty 66 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.839 tough situation. But I know there is. There is a drug rehab specifically 67 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:57.230 for maternal for pregnant MOMS and MOMS with with kids. Settle Houser, you 68 00:04:57.350 --> 00:05:00.709 know, you know. Ultimately, the truth is that you know, whether 69 00:05:00.750 --> 00:05:02.949 you're done or not, that that baby is a baby. It's not just 70 00:05:03.029 --> 00:05:06.379 a clumbus cells. You know, it's a persease really early. She's really 71 00:05:06.420 --> 00:05:11.180 really she's like seven weeks. It's like seven s world baby's. Baby's heart 72 00:05:11.300 --> 00:05:16.540 is already beating, baby already has ten fingers, ten toes. You know, 73 00:05:17.139 --> 00:05:19.980 you know that that's a precious child and you know all that they do 74 00:05:20.100 --> 00:05:23.649 in there is they're going to murder that child. When your daughter comes out 75 00:05:23.649 --> 00:05:27.889 of that abortion clinic having had that abortion, it she's still going to be 76 00:05:27.889 --> 00:05:30.850 addicted to drugs, right, she's still going to be with that guy, 77 00:05:30.889 --> 00:05:34.689 right, maybe worse, because, I mean, I don't want her to 78 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:39.040 do this. It's not like I wanted I know, I know, God 79 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:44.720 probably, but he'd understand because but he knows, he knows what would have 80 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.920 been through for twenty years and she hasn't hooked left drugs for twenty years. 81 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:53.589 We've done Rehab. Now they're not residential. She's refused. But yeah, 82 00:05:53.629 --> 00:05:57.069 yeah, man, I know. The thing is, I'm not trying to 83 00:05:57.069 --> 00:06:00.389 be harsh. I know your situation is tough, but if God doesn't understand, 84 00:06:00.990 --> 00:06:02.829 you know, it says in proverbs that God hates the hands that Shit 85 00:06:02.910 --> 00:06:05.459 and this in blood. So I'm not telling you that because I'm angry at 86 00:06:05.459 --> 00:06:08.939 you. I'm telling you that because that's the truth. That's what God says. 87 00:06:08.939 --> 00:06:11.980 Yeah, you know, and again, if she comes at when she 88 00:06:12.019 --> 00:06:14.699 comes out of that abortion clinic, she's still going to be a mom, 89 00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:17.540 but she's going to be a mom of a dead baby, a mom who's 90 00:06:17.610 --> 00:06:21.529 going to be homeless right because I I can't, I just Ken. Yeah, 91 00:06:21.649 --> 00:06:24.930 I'm telling you, I can't do it anymore. She can't live with 92 00:06:25.050 --> 00:06:28.009 me anymore. I can't. I can't watch her. And then, on 93 00:06:28.170 --> 00:06:32.199 top of it, not only does she still using drugs and I'm raising her 94 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:36.639 first baby, but she's mean to me and she's nasty. She takes everything 95 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:41.560 I do. She's never been good to me. After all I've done for 96 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:45.839 her. I've I've done everything and I can't heal her. Yeah, I 97 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.750 can't. Can't. Only Jesus can. Yeah, right, he hasn't yet. 98 00:06:48.790 --> 00:06:53.149 Yeah, well, you need to pray for her. And Hey, 99 00:06:53.230 --> 00:06:55.670 listen, would you be willing to go in there and to talk to her 100 00:06:56.230 --> 00:07:00.470 tell her that there's a drug rehab that she can go to, and would 101 00:07:00.470 --> 00:07:02.939 you tell her that that God loves her baby? Listen, there's an ultrasound 102 00:07:02.980 --> 00:07:06.139 unit here today. She can come right on and we could tell her about 103 00:07:06.139 --> 00:07:10.259 that drug Rehab. We can go through all of those issues, you know, 104 00:07:11.579 --> 00:07:14.339 but the emergency is that they're going to kill her baby in there. 105 00:07:14.420 --> 00:07:16.610 Would you be willing to go in there and talk to her? I don't 106 00:07:16.649 --> 00:07:19.850 know. Can You promise me this, Housen? Yeah, yeah, you 107 00:07:20.009 --> 00:07:23.769 know that. There's house. Yeah, I could take her. How much 108 00:07:23.889 --> 00:07:27.449 is how much does it cost to go look at the altars? Free, 109 00:07:27.569 --> 00:07:30.480 is all free, free, how about? I have no money. I 110 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:35.199 don't even have insurance for for her. I got insurance for my adopted yeahy, 111 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.319 but she's too old. It would really some. We can, we 112 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:40.920 can look at all those things on the mobile unit. We can talk about 113 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:46.269 those things, talk about eligit eligibility for Medicaid and things like that. But 114 00:07:47.189 --> 00:07:51.350 she's she's on Medicaid. Yeah, Medicaid. Yes. The emergency, though, 115 00:07:51.470 --> 00:07:55.230 is they're going to kill that baby in there. That's your grandchild, 116 00:07:55.350 --> 00:08:01.660 man. Would you willing to talk to you and that? Okay, yeah, 117 00:08:01.819 --> 00:08:07.060 I'll, I'll go try. I'm telling you, if I don't think 118 00:08:07.100 --> 00:08:11.019 she'll come out, but okay. Well, what was your name? My 119 00:08:11.060 --> 00:08:13.610 name is Marchie, Margie. Can I pray with you real quick? Yeah, 120 00:08:13.810 --> 00:08:16.769 sure, father, in Jesus Name, God, I lift up Margie, 121 00:08:16.810 --> 00:08:20.649 who would ask that you would come into this situation, that you would 122 00:08:20.649 --> 00:08:24.490 speak even now to her daughter word, that that courage would rise up in 123 00:08:24.529 --> 00:08:26.319 Margie's heart and that she would have the words to say, that she would 124 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:31.240 come out of that abortion clinic, God, and go on the mobile unit 125 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:33.799 here about the real help and resources there are. Not only that, but, 126 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:35.759 Lord, that she would come to you, God. We know that 127 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.120 human the sun sets free, is free indeed, and you there is freedom 128 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.909 from addiction, freedom from all of these things. In you is life. 129 00:08:43.309 --> 00:08:46.669 God, we ask that you would do these things. In Jesus name, 130 00:08:46.870 --> 00:08:50.629 Amen. Thank you. Thank you so much, Holl you all'll see if 131 00:08:50.669 --> 00:08:56.580 I can get her all right. So we're back. We hope that was 132 00:08:56.620 --> 00:09:00.659 a blessing you, guys. We hope you're kind of able to enter into 133 00:09:00.700 --> 00:09:05.899 that conversation and just get the feeling that it was a real conversation because it's 134 00:09:05.940 --> 00:09:09.809 based on based on a true story, right, right, and Elija has 135 00:09:09.850 --> 00:09:13.570 been doing this for a good while. He's not brand new. Not His 136 00:09:13.730 --> 00:09:18.889 first Rodeo counseling a grandmother at the abortion center. That that's kind of a 137 00:09:18.929 --> 00:09:22.690 unique scenario in itself. It is we kind of always imagine that we're going 138 00:09:22.730 --> 00:09:26.240 to be talking to the mother going into the Abortion Center, maybe the dad 139 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.279 that's brought his girlfriend there, and don't really think that we might be actually 140 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.840 talking to the grandmother of the baby. But that happens a lot. It 141 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.679 does happen a lot. So this is really good training. Now, this 142 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.590 was a very difficult situation this grandmother was in, as as you heard, 143 00:09:41.870 --> 00:09:46.429 as she outlined all the issues. Addicted daughter, a daughter who's been addicted 144 00:09:46.470 --> 00:09:50.830 for decades. I think the girl was thirty two and she, the mom, 145 00:09:52.029 --> 00:09:56.139 said that she had been dealing with this for at least twenty years. 146 00:09:56.299 --> 00:10:01.860 So this kid started drugs young and was not able to kick them. Pregnant. 147 00:10:03.259 --> 00:10:11.370 The MOM is is the grandmother is already has custody of the daughter's first 148 00:10:11.529 --> 00:10:16.490 baby, who I think was a round age to and at this point they 149 00:10:16.529 --> 00:10:20.090 don't like the father. They think, in fact, that he's downright dangerous. 150 00:10:20.330 --> 00:10:26.200 And this grandmother claims to love God. She's just had it. She 151 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.000 she is just at her breaking point. I don't believe generally that most of 152 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.360 the people that come to the abortion center truly do love God. They're certainly 153 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.110 not walking with God, in my opinion, if they are coming to abort 154 00:10:39.149 --> 00:10:41.950 their child. But I do have to say, knowing this woman, and 155 00:10:41.190 --> 00:10:46.710 she is still a friend a few years later after this, she was someone 156 00:10:46.750 --> 00:10:52.659 that I think was so caught up in fear and and just the trauma of 157 00:10:52.899 --> 00:10:58.860 her life that I think she just had lost her way. But I do 158 00:10:58.059 --> 00:11:03.899 think she did know God. She did know God and she was actually very 159 00:11:03.019 --> 00:11:09.929 true to this video. She was brought back to agreeing to give God a 160 00:11:09.970 --> 00:11:13.169 chance and get that baby a chance. Yeah, yeah, I think one 161 00:11:13.169 --> 00:11:16.769 of the things that you'll see in this video, that you'll hear in this 162 00:11:16.850 --> 00:11:20.000 video becuse. If you're listening to this podcast, obviously you're not seeing the 163 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.960 video right, but one of the things you'll hear, which I think is 164 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:28.000 really an important point, realizing Elijah of course, in the situation, realizing 165 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.480 that he's talking to someone who can influence the mother who's in the abortion center. 166 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.629 He's not going to be longwinded, right. He's not going to go 167 00:11:35.990 --> 00:11:43.190 on a fifteen minute conversation and continually trying to a certainly he asked questions, 168 00:11:43.230 --> 00:11:46.580 and that's great to ask questions, but he's not going to ask endless amounts 169 00:11:46.580 --> 00:11:50.580 of questions. He really wants to get to the nuts and bolts of what's 170 00:11:50.580 --> 00:11:52.820 going on. And then what I think he did really, really well, 171 00:11:54.299 --> 00:12:00.059 was bringing it back around to there's an emergency. The immediate emergency is they're 172 00:12:00.100 --> 00:12:03.970 going to kill that baby inside of the are and so you need to intervene 173 00:12:03.210 --> 00:12:07.649 in court, sort of bringing it around, he does quite a few times 174 00:12:07.690 --> 00:12:11.009 in this to would you be willing just go in there and talk to her? 175 00:12:11.090 --> 00:12:13.850 Yeah, and he says we can talk about these other things later and 176 00:12:13.929 --> 00:12:18.759 we can do with them, I promise you later, but right now there's 177 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.720 there is an emergency. There's a mom who's your grandchild is going to die 178 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.120 if we don't act quickly. I wrote that down as one of what I 179 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.509 felt he did supremely well. Also that, because there is a sense of 180 00:12:31.590 --> 00:12:35.230 urgency that you might not have it well, that you don't have as much 181 00:12:35.350 --> 00:12:39.269 if you're talking to the mother herself. Yeah, but if the mother's in 182 00:12:39.389 --> 00:12:43.830 there and who knows if the abortionist has already arrived or not, I don't 183 00:12:43.830 --> 00:12:48.220 remember, in the actual situation, but you got to get that mother out 184 00:12:48.220 --> 00:12:52.940 of there as soon as possible. Yeah, and he was very a tune 185 00:12:52.340 --> 00:12:56.700 to that. Yeah, yeah, at the end he still took the time 186 00:12:56.779 --> 00:13:00.769 to pray. Yeah, it was a quick prayer. reiterated the main point, 187 00:13:01.289 --> 00:13:05.529 gave breathed courage into her. But he did take the time to petition 188 00:13:05.690 --> 00:13:07.370 God, which I thought was good. Keep it short, you know, 189 00:13:07.529 --> 00:13:11.769 don't start a genesis and work your way through revelation. But right. But, 190 00:13:11.649 --> 00:13:15.399 but he did offer that and I thought that was that was really good. 191 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.399 Also, I love Elijah's tone. Yeah, he can say the hardest 192 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:28.309 truths, but he always says it was so much gentleness and compassion and kindness. 193 00:13:28.350 --> 00:13:33.710 You know he's for you and he's for that baby. He's just so 194 00:13:33.029 --> 00:13:37.230 sincere and, as you've said so many times, tone sets the tone from 195 00:13:37.269 --> 00:13:43.940 the GECKO. He's not condemning this woman for bringing her daughter. He's just 196 00:13:45.100 --> 00:13:50.740 speaking truth and kindness and kindness. Yeah, yeah, and that's really important. 197 00:13:50.100 --> 00:13:54.299 You can tell he's identifying with the struggle. He's not marginalizing and he's 198 00:13:54.299 --> 00:13:58.289 not saying well, that doesn't matter, this actually matters. Yeah, but 199 00:13:58.409 --> 00:14:01.730 he is saying, and I like the fact that he does this, when 200 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:05.730 she talks about when you talk about God understands. I believe in God. 201 00:14:05.889 --> 00:14:09.250 And, yeah, and you know, God understands the situation. Right, 202 00:14:09.409 --> 00:14:13.879 he actually brings it around to yeah, the Bible actually says God hates the 203 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.399 hands that yet innocent, but he's he says that and that's a that's a 204 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:20.519 heavy scripture, that's a heavy statement. Yeah, right, but he says 205 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.309 that in such a gracious way. Yes, and then says, actually, 206 00:14:24.350 --> 00:14:28.669 God doesn't understand, but I what you're about to do is take the life 207 00:14:30.149 --> 00:14:35.230 of a person, or your daughter's about to yeah, beautiful picture of of 208 00:14:35.309 --> 00:14:39.820 a very well done, speaking the truth in grace and mercy. He did. 209 00:14:39.940 --> 00:14:46.059 He did that really well and I think that we can say some pretty 210 00:14:46.379 --> 00:14:50.019 harsh truths if we say them with the proper motivation and the proper tone, 211 00:14:50.059 --> 00:14:54.570 which which which he did. He empathizes, but he redirects. Over and 212 00:14:54.649 --> 00:14:58.570 over again. That happened. I wrote that a few times. He empathizes, 213 00:14:58.649 --> 00:15:01.610 but he redirects to the truth of what God says and the humanity of 214 00:15:01.929 --> 00:15:07.840 the baby, which is really important. He brought in all three of our 215 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.279 talking points. Yeah, God humanaged the baby. And then resources and and 216 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.799 points out that abortion won't change the terrible parts of the MOM's life. He 217 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.110 points out she's still going to be a dog addicted to dress, she's you're 218 00:15:22.110 --> 00:15:26.389 still going to have that, that child that you're raising, but now you'll 219 00:15:26.429 --> 00:15:33.429 have a dead baby on her conscience and on your conscience. So that was 220 00:15:33.470 --> 00:15:39.059 again great, great point. Yeah, absolutely. And the preparedness of having 221 00:15:39.179 --> 00:15:43.700 that resource. Now I don't think in the situation that this is based on, 222 00:15:43.299 --> 00:15:48.179 you didn't really have that resource as like a surety. Right, we 223 00:15:48.340 --> 00:15:52.289 did not listen. So the home that does. Yeah, it's a drug 224 00:15:52.330 --> 00:15:54.049 addicted MOMS. So let me tell you about this because I think it's a 225 00:15:54.450 --> 00:16:03.879 very important in many levels training concept for for especially new sidewalk counselors. Use 226 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:11.120 Your team. Elishaw was a part of this actual real life story in the 227 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:17.639 way that I was the one counseling the grandma her and she said, if 228 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:22.509 you can promise me housing, I'll get her out of there. So actually, 229 00:16:22.549 --> 00:16:26.830 what I put down another important point, as the one of the things 230 00:16:26.870 --> 00:16:32.590 that I would critique elishah on. He said, yes, I can promise 231 00:16:32.710 --> 00:16:36.779 that. Well, no, he couldn't. We did not have that. 232 00:16:36.899 --> 00:16:41.340 We we knew we had resources that might be able to provide housing, but 233 00:16:41.700 --> 00:16:47.059 nothing is an assurance. So be very, very careful to use those words. 234 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:49.529 Yes, I can promise that, and I remember very clearly what I 235 00:16:49.570 --> 00:16:55.129 did say when you because she did say that if you can promise me that 236 00:16:55.250 --> 00:16:57.090 you'll get me housing, I'll go in and try and get her out, 237 00:16:57.129 --> 00:17:03.599 and I said I can't promise you that, but I will promise we will 238 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:08.880 try our very hardest. The moment you walk in there, you'll be on 239 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:15.400 the phone. And that was point two for training advice. Use Your team 240 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.269 members. I knew I had to call as many housing places, some of 241 00:17:18.309 --> 00:17:22.829 which I didn't even know whether they existed yet in however long it took her 242 00:17:22.829 --> 00:17:26.630 to get her out of there. So I called Elishah over and I gave 243 00:17:26.630 --> 00:17:30.140 him a list, because we do have a list, which is good for 244 00:17:30.220 --> 00:17:34.900 all of you to have, list of Rehab Centers, Detox Centers, housing, 245 00:17:36.059 --> 00:17:38.660 maternity homes. I had the list, big list, and I get 246 00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:41.579 I ripped it in half, gave half of it to Elijah and I said 247 00:17:41.619 --> 00:17:45.490 you start calling these numbers. We need a place tonight. Yeah, and 248 00:17:45.609 --> 00:17:52.089 then I called the other list and we had three possibilities before she came out 249 00:17:52.170 --> 00:17:56.329 with her daughter. She did come out with her daughter, Nott, and 250 00:17:56.690 --> 00:18:00.200 those three all said they had openings and they would do the application. It 251 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:06.440 was later on that I found the absolute perfect, incredible answer to prayer. 252 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.279 Maternity home that would take her, that she ultimately did did go to. 253 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.670 Yeah, that came after the counseling session, but it was so use your 254 00:18:15.710 --> 00:18:21.269 team members and be very careful not to use the words I promise, unless 255 00:18:21.269 --> 00:18:23.470 you it's a it's a done deal. Yeah, and that's one of the 256 00:18:23.589 --> 00:18:26.940 things, I guess, by the way of critique that I wanted to mention. 257 00:18:27.180 --> 00:18:30.500 He does say yes, I promise that. Yeah, I would say, 258 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:34.339 even if you have that, because we never want to fail to deliver 259 00:18:34.539 --> 00:18:41.930 on our promises, right, and we cannot promise and less somehow we're privy 260 00:18:41.089 --> 00:18:45.289 to the open beds in a particular maternity home or something like that, because 261 00:18:45.289 --> 00:18:48.250 it could be that there's this perfect maternity home and they don't have any open 262 00:18:48.329 --> 00:18:52.210 beds, they don't have anything, you know, places for women to say. 263 00:18:52.410 --> 00:18:55.759 Okay, so we certainly wouldn't want to make a promise that we have 264 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:57.599 no way of knowing whether or not we can even keep that promise. Now 265 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:02.319 we'll just pretend in the scenario that he absolutely knew and we'll give him that 266 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:06.519 allowance. Yeah, but we do need to be careful to not say I'll 267 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:11.390 promise that we can do this but, like you said, I'll promise that 268 00:19:11.470 --> 00:19:15.230 I will try how the hardest I can. Yeah, and you can always, 269 00:19:15.109 --> 00:19:18.150 and maybe I don't know if you might disagree with this, but I 270 00:19:18.269 --> 00:19:22.349 can always, I will always say something like listen, at the end of 271 00:19:22.349 --> 00:19:25.700 the day, if you go in there and get her out and we're not 272 00:19:25.819 --> 00:19:27.660 able to deliver on anything, no one's stopping you from going back in there. 273 00:19:27.819 --> 00:19:30.420 Right as I want to, I want to kind of get them thinking 274 00:19:30.460 --> 00:19:33.299 along the lines of, like, you can put that off yeah, but 275 00:19:33.339 --> 00:19:37.299 let's deal with what we know right now. We know a baby's about to 276 00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:40.849 die, right, and that's what I do appreciate in this conversation that he 277 00:19:40.890 --> 00:19:44.970 kept on bringing it back to again. This is the emergency. The baby 278 00:19:45.089 --> 00:19:48.650 is about to die. Let's let's do what we can. This what we 279 00:19:48.769 --> 00:19:51.410 know. We know that a baby's about to die. Yeah, and all 280 00:19:51.490 --> 00:19:53.039 of these, like he said, we can deal with all of that on 281 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.680 the mobile unit, and I think that's that's another point, is being able 282 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.799 to point them away from the abortion center something else, to give them an 283 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.599 alternative, like, okay, she's in there right now, but listen, 284 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.269 there's another place you can go, whether it be a mobile unit like in 285 00:20:07.390 --> 00:20:11.269 this particular story, or it's a pregnancy center down the road or whatever it 286 00:20:11.390 --> 00:20:15.390 might be. Let's get her away from there. Then we can talk about 287 00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:19.230 all these other intricacies in the in the scenario. Yeah, let's just get 288 00:20:19.269 --> 00:20:22.900 her out of there right now. Yeah. Yeah, also, what she 289 00:20:23.539 --> 00:20:29.819 was expressing is very common. Yes, not not to see this specifics of 290 00:20:29.900 --> 00:20:34.500 her situation, but the trauma of her situation, and many of these grandmas 291 00:20:34.539 --> 00:20:40.250 in particular will go on and on and on about I mean they they they 292 00:20:40.410 --> 00:20:45.289 need? Does they need help? They are just struggling so much emotionally and 293 00:20:45.569 --> 00:20:52.839 that you're always straddling that line of being empathetic and listening but recognizing there's an 294 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.440 emergency. And there have been times I have had to cut people off and 295 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.319 just say I get it, I get you are really struggling, but right 296 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.869 now baby's going to die, and keep bringing back them back to the urgency 297 00:21:03.990 --> 00:21:07.910 of you got to go and get that baby out. Yeah, so which, 298 00:21:07.950 --> 00:21:11.069 in the real life things she did. She did ultimately go in and 299 00:21:11.109 --> 00:21:15.990 get and get her out. But another thing he did he he talked about 300 00:21:17.029 --> 00:21:22.500 human development already. When she said it's just she gave the opening. Listen 301 00:21:22.619 --> 00:21:29.180 for openings. Elijah seizes openings really well. She said it's really small, 302 00:21:29.539 --> 00:21:30.660 it's really young, and he said, well, how far along? Well, 303 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:37.089 seven weeks, and he knew fetal development so that he could say again. 304 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:41.329 He he countered that lie. It the the lie going on in her 305 00:21:41.329 --> 00:21:45.130 head, which is it's very small, it's okay because the baby so small 306 00:21:45.609 --> 00:21:48.359 and undeveloped. And he said, well, honestly, they's already got it 307 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.599 beaten hard. There's already detectable brain waves. Every organ in place in just 308 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.559 a week. Yeah. So, so that's really good and very important for 309 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.559 all of us to know. When we're out on a sidebook, we need 310 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:06.109 to know at least the first trimester of of the key facts of fetal development, 311 00:22:06.150 --> 00:22:07.630 which he did and brought him in. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 312 00:22:07.789 --> 00:22:11.630 like you said, counteracted that lie. It's just a Blob of tissue or 313 00:22:11.630 --> 00:22:15.460 a clump of sales with the truth. But actually that baby's heart is beating 314 00:22:17.059 --> 00:22:22.940 right and again, that called action, and so the emergency is that baby 315 00:22:22.059 --> 00:22:26.660 is about to die. We need to go in and intervene. Would you? 316 00:22:26.779 --> 00:22:29.779 Would you go in there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think 317 00:22:29.859 --> 00:22:33.049 that's in any of these situations we're dealing with someone who's an influencer, right, 318 00:22:33.170 --> 00:22:36.329 even if it's the dad, and we talked about this before, the 319 00:22:36.369 --> 00:22:37.609 dad, he's brought his girlfriend there, he's come out and talk with you, 320 00:22:38.490 --> 00:22:41.970 in this case, the grandmother of the baby that scheduled to die, 321 00:22:41.369 --> 00:22:45.519 whatever the situation might be, a friend, aunt, uncle, whatever, 322 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:49.640 with those influencers. Yes, we've got to we've got to listen and we've 323 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:56.440 gotta, you know, obviously respond and contradict lies with truth. But at 324 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:57.519 the end of the day, none of that matters if they don't go in 325 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:00.230 there and get that that mom out of there. And so we want to 326 00:23:00.269 --> 00:23:03.710 encourage them to do that. Yeah, and in your brief time, because, 327 00:23:03.789 --> 00:23:07.430 remember, you want to be brief in these situations. You want to 328 00:23:07.509 --> 00:23:11.109 be thinking of what. What is my main goal? And I think one 329 00:23:11.150 --> 00:23:14.380 of the main goals is to and still hope. Ye, give give her 330 00:23:14.539 --> 00:23:18.180 hope, give her something that, when she goes in, is going to 331 00:23:18.299 --> 00:23:22.619 give the daughter hope to yeah, and in her case, for the grandma, 332 00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:25.819 it was housing. There is no doubt that was the issue that she 333 00:23:25.940 --> 00:23:29.170 kept bringing up. I can't do this again. She's going to be homeless. 334 00:23:29.170 --> 00:23:32.490 I'm not going to raise another baby. Yeah, of hers. And 335 00:23:32.890 --> 00:23:37.329 for the young lady to maybe hear there are there are places that could take 336 00:23:37.450 --> 00:23:41.720 you and that can help you to overcome this, and mentioning the fact that 337 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.039 the last thing a drug addicted, struggling human being needs on their heart and 338 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:49.440 mind is the death of a child. Yeah, so think about that. 339 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:55.200 What can I say that's going to give them courage and hope in that brief 340 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.190 time when she's going to go back in, and in the real life story, 341 00:24:00.630 --> 00:24:03.910 she did bring the daughter out. The daughter and she came on the 342 00:24:03.950 --> 00:24:07.150 RV with me and with our our nurse, who I don't remember who that 343 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:11.500 was, but we were able to ask a lot of questions at that point 344 00:24:11.619 --> 00:24:18.099 and learned that the story was even harder than she had initially presented it. 345 00:24:18.980 --> 00:24:23.259 And it's so easy in a situation like this to want to give up because 346 00:24:23.289 --> 00:24:29.009 it sounds so desperate. I don't think I'm alone in that right as a 347 00:24:29.170 --> 00:24:33.369 counselor you hear just this. There are so many strikes against this family. 348 00:24:34.130 --> 00:24:40.799 How on Earth Can God fix this? And I know I felt that in 349 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.400 this situation and I felt it more when they were on the RV and I'm 350 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:51.839 hearing just the the level of terrible things that had happened to this family. 351 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.390 One of the things that came out while they were not talking each other. 352 00:24:56.589 --> 00:24:59.710 I don't know how that grandma got her out of there, but the daughter 353 00:25:00.349 --> 00:25:04.430 is just screaming at the the mother, her her mother, about how what 354 00:25:04.549 --> 00:25:10.019 a terrible mother she's been and all the struggles as in her life, why 355 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:14.220 she had turned to drugs, and the grandmother is screaming at her daughter saying 356 00:25:14.299 --> 00:25:18.180 you have never appreciated or understood what I did for you, and I'm just 357 00:25:18.259 --> 00:25:22.289 sitting there blinking thinking what do I do now? Well, what do I 358 00:25:22.410 --> 00:25:26.450 always do in those situations. Pray. Yeah, and introduce the Gospel. 359 00:25:26.609 --> 00:25:30.769 And they both sat and listen. The grandmother claimed to have already been a 360 00:25:30.809 --> 00:25:34.490 believer, so she was a receptive person. The daughter not at all. 361 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.519 But as where I'm sharing the Gospel, you're seeing this is one of the 362 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:45.319 times when you just could see God's spirit moving in this young lady, this 363 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:52.990 tormented young lady. And ultimately she said, when that was finished, and 364 00:25:53.069 --> 00:25:56.190 it took a long time, she said she wanted to ask Jesus to be 365 00:25:56.309 --> 00:26:03.500 her Lord. And and the the grandma already had as Jesus to be her 366 00:26:03.579 --> 00:26:08.700 Lord, and she was. She was just looking at her daughter incredulously, 367 00:26:10.579 --> 00:26:12.700 and I do as I always do. Never pray the sinner's prayer anything like 368 00:26:12.740 --> 00:26:15.579 that. Said, Talk to God in your own words. Well, the 369 00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:22.410 daughter then did proclaim that she wanted to submit her life to Jesus, and 370 00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:29.009 was a beautiful prayer. But then she started apologizing to God for the way 371 00:26:29.130 --> 00:26:33.559 she had treated her mother. Still brings tears to my eyes thinking of that, 372 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:40.640 because it was so sincere and it was the first time the grandmother, 373 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:48.670 the mother that young lady, had ever heard an expression of love or sorrow 374 00:26:48.710 --> 00:26:53.269 over how the daughter had treated that mother. Yeah, and in the end 375 00:26:53.269 --> 00:27:00.500 they hugged each other and and the the young lady. Then we got them 376 00:27:00.579 --> 00:27:07.299 the housing and everything and later that day the grandmother texted me and said my 377 00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:12.380 daughter said that's the first and only peace she has ever felt in her entire 378 00:27:14.019 --> 00:27:19.410 life. Yeah, so out of that impossible situation God engineered a miracle, 379 00:27:19.930 --> 00:27:26.009 truly a miracle. So never give up. And and Elijah in this video 380 00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:30.400 also never, never did give up. He didn't, he didn't wallow in. 381 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.920 Wow, that's an impossible situation. You're right, just go in and 382 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.359 right the baby, which none of our counselors would ever say. We may 383 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.000 feel it sometimes, but we never say that right. Yeah, and in 384 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.349 the other situation it's like, yeah, there's some man possibilities, but I 385 00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:47.829 think one of the things we always have to come back to is God is 386 00:27:47.910 --> 00:27:51.269 the God of the impossible. We've got to put it in his hands. 387 00:27:51.309 --> 00:27:53.750 Yeah, and part of that is getting out of the abortion center. Let's 388 00:27:53.789 --> 00:27:56.990 do the right thing, let's let's like you've said before, let's do the 389 00:27:57.109 --> 00:28:02.539 next right thing. Yeah, put it in God's hands and stories like would 390 00:28:02.539 --> 00:28:04.579 you just shared. I mean that, that that is redemption right there. 391 00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:08.180 That is that is gotten front of our eyes. Yea God doing his thing. 392 00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:14.210 Right, that's the Holy Spirit. Only the Holy Spirit could orchestrate in 393 00:28:14.410 --> 00:28:18.569 front of an abortion clinic. Right just minutes away, this girl's inside the 394 00:28:18.609 --> 00:28:22.410 abortion center. Yeah, now she's out on the RV repenting, yeah, 395 00:28:22.569 --> 00:28:26.529 and reconciling with her mother. Yeah, and yeah, that mean that's that's 396 00:28:26.569 --> 00:28:29.279 God. Yeah, that's God doing that thing. Yeah, that work. 397 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:34.039 Yeah, and ultimately, all of these situations we've got to be yielded to 398 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:38.519 the Lord. We've got to be, as John Chapter Fifteen says, we've 399 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.549 got to be connected to the true Vin Jesus. Right, apart from him 400 00:28:42.589 --> 00:28:45.950 we can do nothing right. I think I'Llig you would acknowledge that, even 401 00:28:45.950 --> 00:28:51.509 though this was a mock session. Yeah, in any of these situations we've 402 00:28:51.509 --> 00:28:52.950 got to lean on the Lord. We've got to say tapped into the Lord, 403 00:28:52.990 --> 00:28:56.019 because he can give us wisdom, he can help our tone to come 404 00:28:56.099 --> 00:29:00.299 across the way that it needs to. He can help us when we're dumbfounded, 405 00:29:00.339 --> 00:29:03.500 when here's a mom and a daughter arguing in front of us on the 406 00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:07.339 RV and it's like, okay, what do I do? Introduce the Gospel. 407 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:11.130 All right, let the Holy Spirit do his thing. Yeah, and 408 00:29:11.250 --> 00:29:17.210 it's amazing what he'll do right with you as a yielded vessel. Yeah, 409 00:29:17.250 --> 00:29:21.250 it's amazing. It is. Hopefully this was an encouragement. Hopefully this was 410 00:29:21.369 --> 00:29:25.119 equipping to you guys. We would always encourage you guests, reach out to 411 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:26.480 us. You can reach me, Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You 412 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.640 reach her, Vicky at Love Life Dot Org, if you have, I 413 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.279 don't know, suggestions for probably cast like we often asked for, but also 414 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.670 maybe questions about this, maybe some ways that you would handle this differently, 415 00:29:38.829 --> 00:29:41.509 some things that maybe you would say. Maybe you've been doing this for a 416 00:29:41.589 --> 00:29:45.390 while and you have some some things to add and certainly if they're if it's 417 00:29:45.430 --> 00:29:52.190 appropriate, will tack that onto another podcast episode. We we don't feel like 418 00:29:52.230 --> 00:29:53.940 we have it all together, but God is by His mercy, has taught 419 00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:57.579 us some thank giving us some experiences and we're just trying to help me quip 420 00:29:57.619 --> 00:30:00.940 you guys with the experiences that we have and what we know from the word 421 00:30:00.980 --> 00:30:04.299 of God. Of course. Hey, so again we hope this was a 422 00:30:04.380 --> 00:30:08.049 blessing. You, guys. We hope that you share this podcast give us 423 00:30:08.049 --> 00:30:12.690 a review on itunes or wherever you listen to this podcast. But until next 424 00:30:12.690 --> 00:30:25.200 time, God bless, God bless. Give me love for love, give 425 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:33.039 me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. 426 00:30:37.750 --> 00:30:41.150 Nothing's too precious in some you