Mock Session - Talking to A Grandmother

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I'm yours,I am yours, s and me,200:00:06.120 --> 00:00:12.109Lord, I am yours, I'myours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center300:00:12.189 --> 00:00:17.589Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designedto equip, encourage and challenge you in400:00:17.670 --> 00:00:21.660pro life ministry and always were thefocus on the Gospel. Stay tuned.500:00:23.699 --> 00:00:35.890I felt show passish touch your use. Welcome back to the Gospel Center pro600:00:36.009 --> 00:00:40.170life podcast. We appreciate you,guys, joining us and we're going to700:00:40.250 --> 00:00:44.810try to jump right into this episode. This episode is another one of our800:00:44.850 --> 00:00:49.929mock sessions. We've recorded several videosover the past couple of months of different900:00:49.969 --> 00:00:55.520counselors speaking with other counselors that arepretending to be moms going into the abortion1000:00:55.679 --> 00:01:00.560center. Scenarios that we've encountered beforesnare scenarios that you're likely to encounter yourself1100:01:00.039 --> 00:01:04.829at the abortion center. And thismock session is actually with one of our1200:01:04.870 --> 00:01:10.790local missionaries here, Elijah being thecounselor, and Vicki is pretending to be1300:01:11.549 --> 00:01:14.549a mom, and you can layout the scenario, Vicki. Yeah,1400:01:14.709 --> 00:01:18.310so I'm I'm the grandmother of thebaby that's going to die. I'm the1500:01:18.430 --> 00:01:23.980mother of an addicted pregnant adult daughter, and I do want to say that1600:01:25.340 --> 00:01:32.420everything I say in this video playingthat role is actually very true to life.1700:01:32.659 --> 00:01:37.689Of what I heard when I actuallydid counsel a mom in this situation,1800:01:37.730 --> 00:01:40.650and that's what I was thinking of, was was a this is a1900:01:40.810 --> 00:01:48.439real life case study from a momand grandmother that I that I actually counseled2000:01:48.760 --> 00:01:53.439very, very difficult case. Yeah, and we've gotten some feedback from folks2100:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.599that are listening to the podcast thatthese mock sessions are really helpful. We2200:01:57.680 --> 00:02:00.239think that they're helpful. You're ableto kind of listen in on. What2300:02:00.469 --> 00:02:04.030are some of the things that wemight say? Now, what did you2400:02:04.069 --> 00:02:06.469keep him on to? Like wesaid, in all of these other mock2500:02:06.549 --> 00:02:08.870sessions, these are these are offthe cuff. Now, these are situations2600:02:08.909 --> 00:02:13.949that we've encountered, right, butthey're not scripted or anything like that.2700:02:14.509 --> 00:02:17.259Elijah in this scenario is just doingthe best you can with what comes his2800:02:17.419 --> 00:02:20.900way. He knew a little bitof the scenario, right, just he2900:02:21.060 --> 00:02:24.659only knew. He only knew thebasic premise that this is an addicted pregnant3000:02:24.659 --> 00:02:28.939adult daughter, yeah, and thatthis was the mom of the of the3100:02:29.060 --> 00:02:32.530daughter that was about to abort.But I just said counsel, as you3200:02:32.569 --> 00:02:38.169would counsel in this situation. Soit really is great training to do this3300:02:38.370 --> 00:02:42.889and we do recommend that our counselorsdo this. Yeah, just to practice,3400:02:43.650 --> 00:02:49.759but yes, unrehearsed. Elijah's greatand and you'll see as you listen3500:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.800to him. Yeah, there's somereally good things and so what we're going3600:02:52.840 --> 00:02:53.879to do, like we've done inthe past, is we're going to play3700:02:53.919 --> 00:02:58.000it for you guys to listen toand then we're going to come back after3800:02:58.159 --> 00:03:01.150that. It's about five, fiveto six minutes long. We're going to3900:03:01.189 --> 00:03:05.069come back after that and talk throughsome of the things that were said.4000:03:05.150 --> 00:03:08.430Maybe some of the things that couldhave been said better, differently or whatever.4100:03:09.349 --> 00:03:12.389Some of the things that were saidgreat, and so we're going to4200:03:12.469 --> 00:03:15.340talk through that with you. Hopefullythis will be equipping for you guys.4300:03:15.379 --> 00:03:19.699So here it is. Hey,ma'am, how you doing today? Can4400:03:19.740 --> 00:03:23.379you take some information? Sure,what's this? Sure? What? Well,4500:03:23.500 --> 00:03:24.939I'm out here with the ministry calledLove Life, where out here offering4600:03:25.060 --> 00:03:29.689hope and hope to the moms anddad's going into the abortion clinic. I4700:03:29.770 --> 00:03:32.009couldn't help but notice you brought someonein there today. You might be asking4800:03:32.009 --> 00:03:37.289about that. I mean it's yeah, I want to be here. This4900:03:37.610 --> 00:03:45.560is it's pretty complicated. I'm I'ma God fearing Christian. I Love God,5000:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.400but but my daughters, I mean, I can't begin to tell you5100:03:49.479 --> 00:03:53.520what I've been through. She's shehas been a drug addict pretty much her5200:03:53.560 --> 00:03:58.469whole life, literally though the pasttwenty years, and we've had her in5300:03:58.590 --> 00:04:03.349and out of Rehab and pregnant againwith a guy we don't even like a5400:04:03.590 --> 00:04:09.069he's dangerous, downright dangerous. ButI'm raising her first shot. That my5500:04:09.229 --> 00:04:13.060grandbaby. I'm raising her. I'mI've legally adopted that, that baby,5600:04:13.139 --> 00:04:15.620and so here she is, pregnantagain. She's doing drugs right now.5700:04:15.699 --> 00:04:18.500She probably, you know, inthere. If she could, she'd be5800:04:18.620 --> 00:04:21.980doing drugs in there. And II can't do this anymore. I can't.5900:04:23.019 --> 00:04:26.209I you know, I'm a I'mworking full time, I'm a I'm6000:04:26.209 --> 00:04:29.209about you know, I thought I'dbe on the verge of retirement, but6100:04:29.290 --> 00:04:32.610I can't retire. I'm raising ababy and my daughter's like a second baby.6200:04:32.649 --> 00:04:35.490I mean, I mean, II'm done. I'm done it.6300:04:35.610 --> 00:04:40.120You can promise me housing. I'llgo get her out of there, but6400:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.439that's that's it. That's it.I she can't live with me anymore and6500:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.240I can't do this anymore. Sowell, man, that's that's a pretty6600:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.839tough situation. But I know thereis. There is a drug rehab specifically6700:04:49.879 --> 00:04:57.230for maternal for pregnant MOMS and MOMSwith with kids. Settle Houser, you6800:04:57.350 --> 00:05:00.709know, you know. Ultimately,the truth is that you know, whether6900:05:00.750 --> 00:05:02.949you're done or not, that thatbaby is a baby. It's not just7000:05:03.029 --> 00:05:06.379a clumbus cells. You know,it's a persease really early. She's really7100:05:06.420 --> 00:05:11.180really she's like seven weeks. It'slike seven s world baby's. Baby's heart7200:05:11.300 --> 00:05:16.540is already beating, baby already hasten fingers, ten toes. You know,7300:05:17.139 --> 00:05:19.980you know that that's a precious childand you know all that they do7400:05:20.100 --> 00:05:23.649in there is they're going to murderthat child. When your daughter comes out7500:05:23.649 --> 00:05:27.889of that abortion clinic having had thatabortion, it she's still going to be7600:05:27.889 --> 00:05:30.850addicted to drugs, right, she'sstill going to be with that guy,7700:05:30.889 --> 00:05:34.689right, maybe worse, because,I mean, I don't want her to7800:05:34.759 --> 00:05:39.040do this. It's not like Iwanted I know, I know, God7900:05:39.240 --> 00:05:44.720probably, but he'd understand because buthe knows, he knows what would have8000:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.920been through for twenty years and shehasn't hooked left drugs for twenty years.8100:05:47.959 --> 00:05:53.589We've done Rehab. Now they're notresidential. She's refused. But yeah,8200:05:53.629 --> 00:05:57.069yeah, man, I know.The thing is, I'm not trying to8300:05:57.069 --> 00:06:00.389be harsh. I know your situationis tough, but if God doesn't understand,8400:06:00.990 --> 00:06:02.829you know, it says in proverbsthat God hates the hands that Shit8500:06:02.910 --> 00:06:05.459and this in blood. So I'mnot telling you that because I'm angry at8600:06:05.459 --> 00:06:08.939you. I'm telling you that becausethat's the truth. That's what God says.8700:06:08.939 --> 00:06:11.980Yeah, you know, and again, if she comes at when she8800:06:12.019 --> 00:06:14.699comes out of that abortion clinic,she's still going to be a mom,8900:06:15.300 --> 00:06:17.540but she's going to be a momof a dead baby, a mom who's9000:06:17.610 --> 00:06:21.529going to be homeless right because II can't, I just Ken. Yeah,9100:06:21.649 --> 00:06:24.930I'm telling you, I can't doit anymore. She can't live with9200:06:25.050 --> 00:06:28.009me anymore. I can't. Ican't watch her. And then, on9300:06:28.170 --> 00:06:32.199top of it, not only doesshe still using drugs and I'm raising her9400:06:32.319 --> 00:06:36.639first baby, but she's mean tome and she's nasty. She takes everything9500:06:36.680 --> 00:06:41.560I do. She's never been goodto me. After all I've done for9600:06:41.680 --> 00:06:45.839her. I've I've done everything andI can't heal her. Yeah, I9700:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.750can't. Can't. Only Jesus can. Yeah, right, he hasn't yet.9800:06:48.790 --> 00:06:53.149Yeah, well, you need topray for her. And Hey,9900:06:53.230 --> 00:06:55.670listen, would you be willing togo in there and to talk to her10000:06:56.230 --> 00:07:00.470tell her that there's a drug rehabthat she can go to, and would10100:07:00.470 --> 00:07:02.939you tell her that that God lovesher baby? Listen, there's an ultrasound10200:07:02.980 --> 00:07:06.139unit here today. She can comeright on and we could tell her about10300:07:06.139 --> 00:07:10.259that drug Rehab. We can gothrough all of those issues, you know,10400:07:11.579 --> 00:07:14.339but the emergency is that they're goingto kill her baby in there.10500:07:14.420 --> 00:07:16.610Would you be willing to go inthere and talk to her? I don't10600:07:16.649 --> 00:07:19.850know. Can You promise me this, Housen? Yeah, yeah, you10700:07:20.009 --> 00:07:23.769know that. There's house. Yeah, I could take her. How much10800:07:23.889 --> 00:07:27.449is how much does it cost togo look at the altars? Free,10900:07:27.569 --> 00:07:30.480is all free, free, howabout? I have no money. I11000:07:30.519 --> 00:07:35.199don't even have insurance for for her. I got insurance for my adopted yeahy,11100:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.319but she's too old. It wouldreally some. We can, we11200:07:38.399 --> 00:07:40.920can look at all those things onthe mobile unit. We can talk about11300:07:40.959 --> 00:07:46.269those things, talk about eligit eligibilityfor Medicaid and things like that. But11400:07:47.189 --> 00:07:51.350she's she's on Medicaid. Yeah,Medicaid. Yes. The emergency, though,11500:07:51.470 --> 00:07:55.230is they're going to kill that babyin there. That's your grandchild,11600:07:55.350 --> 00:08:01.660man. Would you willing to talkto you and that? Okay, yeah,11700:08:01.819 --> 00:08:07.060I'll, I'll go try. I'mtelling you, if I don't think11800:08:07.100 --> 00:08:11.019she'll come out, but okay.Well, what was your name? My11900:08:11.060 --> 00:08:13.610name is Marchie, Margie. CanI pray with you real quick? Yeah,12000:08:13.810 --> 00:08:16.769sure, father, in Jesus Name, God, I lift up Margie,12100:08:16.810 --> 00:08:20.649who would ask that you would comeinto this situation, that you would12200:08:20.649 --> 00:08:24.490speak even now to her daughter word, that that courage would rise up in12300:08:24.529 --> 00:08:26.319Margie's heart and that she would havethe words to say, that she would12400:08:26.319 --> 00:08:31.240come out of that abortion clinic,God, and go on the mobile unit12500:08:31.360 --> 00:08:33.799here about the real help and resourcesthere are. Not only that, but,12600:08:33.919 --> 00:08:35.759Lord, that she would come toyou, God. We know that12700:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.120human the sun sets free, isfree indeed, and you there is freedom12800:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.909from addiction, freedom from all ofthese things. In you is life.12900:08:43.309 --> 00:08:46.669God, we ask that you woulddo these things. In Jesus name,13000:08:46.870 --> 00:08:50.629Amen. Thank you. Thank youso much, Holl you all'll see if13100:08:50.669 --> 00:08:56.580I can get her all right.So we're back. We hope that was13200:08:56.620 --> 00:09:00.659a blessing you, guys. Wehope you're kind of able to enter into13300:09:00.700 --> 00:09:05.899that conversation and just get the feelingthat it was a real conversation because it's13400:09:05.940 --> 00:09:09.809based on based on a true story, right, right, and Elija has13500:09:09.850 --> 00:09:13.570been doing this for a good while. He's not brand new. Not His13600:09:13.730 --> 00:09:18.889first Rodeo counseling a grandmother at theabortion center. That that's kind of a13700:09:18.929 --> 00:09:22.690unique scenario in itself. It iswe kind of always imagine that we're going13800:09:22.730 --> 00:09:26.240to be talking to the mother goinginto the Abortion Center, maybe the dad13900:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.279that's brought his girlfriend there, anddon't really think that we might be actually14000:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.840talking to the grandmother of the baby. But that happens a lot. It14100:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.679does happen a lot. So thisis really good training. Now, this14200:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.590was a very difficult situation this grandmotherwas in, as as you heard,14300:09:41.870 --> 00:09:46.429as she outlined all the issues.Addicted daughter, a daughter who's been addicted14400:09:46.470 --> 00:09:50.830for decades. I think the girlwas thirty two and she, the mom,14500:09:52.029 --> 00:09:56.139said that she had been dealing withthis for at least twenty years.14600:09:56.299 --> 00:10:01.860So this kid started drugs young andwas not able to kick them. Pregnant.14700:10:03.259 --> 00:10:11.370The MOM is is the grandmother isalready has custody of the daughter's first14800:10:11.529 --> 00:10:16.490baby, who I think was around age to and at this point they14900:10:16.529 --> 00:10:20.090don't like the father. They think, in fact, that he's downright dangerous.15000:10:20.330 --> 00:10:26.200And this grandmother claims to love God. She's just had it. She15100:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.000she is just at her breaking point. I don't believe generally that most of15200:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.360the people that come to the abortioncenter truly do love God. They're certainly15300:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.110not walking with God, in myopinion, if they are coming to abort15400:10:39.149 --> 00:10:41.950their child. But I do haveto say, knowing this woman, and15500:10:41.190 --> 00:10:46.710she is still a friend a fewyears later after this, she was someone15600:10:46.750 --> 00:10:52.659that I think was so caught upin fear and and just the trauma of15700:10:52.899 --> 00:10:58.860her life that I think she justhad lost her way. But I do15800:10:58.059 --> 00:11:03.899think she did know God. Shedid know God and she was actually very15900:11:03.019 --> 00:11:09.929true to this video. She wasbrought back to agreeing to give God a16000:11:09.970 --> 00:11:13.169chance and get that baby a chance. Yeah, yeah, I think one16100:11:13.169 --> 00:11:16.769of the things that you'll see inthis video, that you'll hear in this16200:11:16.850 --> 00:11:20.000video becuse. If you're listening tothis podcast, obviously you're not seeing the16300:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.960video right, but one of thethings you'll hear, which I think is16400:11:22.120 --> 00:11:28.000really an important point, realizing Elijahof course, in the situation, realizing16500:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.480that he's talking to someone who caninfluence the mother who's in the abortion center.16600:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.629He's not going to be longwinded,right. He's not going to go16700:11:35.990 --> 00:11:43.190on a fifteen minute conversation and continuallytrying to a certainly he asked questions,16800:11:43.230 --> 00:11:46.580and that's great to ask questions,but he's not going to ask endless amounts16900:11:46.580 --> 00:11:50.580of questions. He really wants toget to the nuts and bolts of what's17000:11:50.580 --> 00:11:52.820going on. And then what Ithink he did really, really well,17100:11:54.299 --> 00:12:00.059was bringing it back around to there'san emergency. The immediate emergency is they're17200:12:00.100 --> 00:12:03.970going to kill that baby inside ofthe are and so you need to intervene17300:12:03.210 --> 00:12:07.649in court, sort of bringing itaround, he does quite a few times17400:12:07.690 --> 00:12:11.009in this to would you be willingjust go in there and talk to her?17500:12:11.090 --> 00:12:13.850Yeah, and he says we cantalk about these other things later and17600:12:13.929 --> 00:12:18.759we can do with them, Ipromise you later, but right now there's17700:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.720there is an emergency. There's amom who's your grandchild is going to die17800:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.120if we don't act quickly. Iwrote that down as one of what I17900:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.509felt he did supremely well. Alsothat, because there is a sense of18000:12:31.590 --> 00:12:35.230urgency that you might not have itwell, that you don't have as much18100:12:35.350 --> 00:12:39.269if you're talking to the mother herself. Yeah, but if the mother's in18200:12:39.389 --> 00:12:43.830there and who knows if the abortionisthas already arrived or not, I don't18300:12:43.830 --> 00:12:48.220remember, in the actual situation,but you got to get that mother out18400:12:48.220 --> 00:12:52.940of there as soon as possible.Yeah, and he was very a tune18500:12:52.340 --> 00:12:56.700to that. Yeah, yeah,at the end he still took the time18600:12:56.779 --> 00:13:00.769to pray. Yeah, it wasa quick prayer. reiterated the main point,18700:13:01.289 --> 00:13:05.529gave breathed courage into her. Buthe did take the time to petition18800:13:05.690 --> 00:13:07.370God, which I thought was good. Keep it short, you know,18900:13:07.529 --> 00:13:11.769don't start a genesis and work yourway through revelation. But right. But,19000:13:11.649 --> 00:13:15.399but he did offer that and Ithought that was that was really good.19100:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.399Also, I love Elijah's tone.Yeah, he can say the hardest19200:13:20.399 --> 00:13:28.309truths, but he always says itwas so much gentleness and compassion and kindness.19300:13:28.350 --> 00:13:33.710You know he's for you and he'sfor that baby. He's just so19400:13:33.029 --> 00:13:37.230sincere and, as you've said somany times, tone sets the tone from19500:13:37.269 --> 00:13:43.940the GECKO. He's not condemning thiswoman for bringing her daughter. He's just19600:13:45.100 --> 00:13:50.740speaking truth and kindness and kindness.Yeah, yeah, and that's really important.19700:13:50.100 --> 00:13:54.299You can tell he's identifying with thestruggle. He's not marginalizing and he's19800:13:54.299 --> 00:13:58.289not saying well, that doesn't matter, this actually matters. Yeah, but19900:13:58.409 --> 00:14:01.730he is saying, and I likethe fact that he does this, when20000:14:01.730 --> 00:14:05.730she talks about when you talk aboutGod understands. I believe in God.20100:14:05.889 --> 00:14:09.250And, yeah, and you know, God understands the situation. Right,20200:14:09.409 --> 00:14:13.879he actually brings it around to yeah, the Bible actually says God hates the20300:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.399hands that yet innocent, but he'she says that and that's a that's a20400:14:16.559 --> 00:14:20.519heavy scripture, that's a heavy statement. Yeah, right, but he says20500:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.309that in such a gracious way.Yes, and then says, actually,20600:14:24.350 --> 00:14:28.669God doesn't understand, but I whatyou're about to do is take the life20700:14:30.149 --> 00:14:35.230of a person, or your daughter'sabout to yeah, beautiful picture of of20800:14:35.309 --> 00:14:39.820a very well done, speaking thetruth in grace and mercy. He did.20900:14:39.940 --> 00:14:46.059He did that really well and Ithink that we can say some pretty21000:14:46.379 --> 00:14:50.019harsh truths if we say them withthe proper motivation and the proper tone,21100:14:50.059 --> 00:14:54.570which which which he did. Heempathizes, but he redirects. Over and21200:14:54.649 --> 00:14:58.570over again. That happened. Iwrote that a few times. He empathizes,21300:14:58.649 --> 00:15:01.610but he redirects to the truth ofwhat God says and the humanity of21400:15:01.929 --> 00:15:07.840the baby, which is really important. He brought in all three of our21500:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.279talking points. Yeah, God humanagedthe baby. And then resources and and21600:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.799points out that abortion won't change theterrible parts of the MOM's life. He21700:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.110points out she's still going to bea dog addicted to dress, she's you're21800:15:22.110 --> 00:15:26.389still going to have that, thatchild that you're raising, but now you'll21900:15:26.429 --> 00:15:33.429have a dead baby on her conscienceand on your conscience. So that was22000:15:33.470 --> 00:15:39.059again great, great point. Yeah, absolutely. And the preparedness of having22100:15:39.179 --> 00:15:43.700that resource. Now I don't thinkin the situation that this is based on,22200:15:43.299 --> 00:15:48.179you didn't really have that resource aslike a surety. Right, we22300:15:48.340 --> 00:15:52.289did not listen. So the homethat does. Yeah, it's a drug22400:15:52.330 --> 00:15:54.049addicted MOMS. So let me tellyou about this because I think it's a22500:15:54.450 --> 00:16:03.879very important in many levels training conceptfor for especially new sidewalk counselors. Use22600:16:04.240 --> 00:16:11.120Your team. Elishaw was a partof this actual real life story in the22700:16:11.240 --> 00:16:17.639way that I was the one counselingthe grandma her and she said, if22800:16:17.720 --> 00:16:22.509you can promise me housing, I'llget her out of there. So actually,22900:16:22.549 --> 00:16:26.830what I put down another important point, as the one of the things23000:16:26.870 --> 00:16:32.590that I would critique elishah on.He said, yes, I can promise23100:16:32.710 --> 00:16:36.779that. Well, no, hecouldn't. We did not have that.23200:16:36.899 --> 00:16:41.340We we knew we had resources thatmight be able to provide housing, but23300:16:41.700 --> 00:16:47.059nothing is an assurance. So bevery, very careful to use those words.23400:16:47.100 --> 00:16:49.529Yes, I can promise that,and I remember very clearly what I23500:16:49.570 --> 00:16:55.129did say when you because she didsay that if you can promise me that23600:16:55.250 --> 00:16:57.090you'll get me housing, I'll goin and try and get her out,23700:16:57.129 --> 00:17:03.599and I said I can't promise youthat, but I will promise we will23800:17:03.799 --> 00:17:08.880try our very hardest. The momentyou walk in there, you'll be on23900:17:08.960 --> 00:17:15.400the phone. And that was pointtwo for training advice. Use Your team24000:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.269members. I knew I had tocall as many housing places, some of24100:17:18.309 --> 00:17:22.829which I didn't even know whether theyexisted yet in however long it took her24200:17:22.829 --> 00:17:26.630to get her out of there.So I called Elishah over and I gave24300:17:26.630 --> 00:17:30.140him a list, because we dohave a list, which is good for24400:17:30.220 --> 00:17:34.900all of you to have, listof Rehab Centers, Detox Centers, housing,24500:17:36.059 --> 00:17:38.660maternity homes. I had the list, big list, and I get24600:17:38.740 --> 00:17:41.579I ripped it in half, gavehalf of it to Elijah and I said24700:17:41.619 --> 00:17:45.490you start calling these numbers. Weneed a place tonight. Yeah, and24800:17:45.609 --> 00:17:52.089then I called the other list andwe had three possibilities before she came out24900:17:52.170 --> 00:17:56.329with her daughter. She did comeout with her daughter, Nott, and25000:17:56.690 --> 00:18:00.200those three all said they had openingsand they would do the application. It25100:18:00.319 --> 00:18:06.440was later on that I found theabsolute perfect, incredible answer to prayer.25200:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.279Maternity home that would take her,that she ultimately did did go to.25300:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.670Yeah, that came after the counselingsession, but it was so use your25400:18:15.710 --> 00:18:21.269team members and be very careful notto use the words I promise, unless25500:18:21.269 --> 00:18:23.470you it's a it's a done deal. Yeah, and that's one of the25600:18:23.589 --> 00:18:26.940things, I guess, by theway of critique that I wanted to mention.25700:18:27.180 --> 00:18:30.500He does say yes, I promisethat. Yeah, I would say,25800:18:30.660 --> 00:18:34.339even if you have that, becausewe never want to fail to deliver25900:18:34.539 --> 00:18:41.930on our promises, right, andwe cannot promise and less somehow we're privy26000:18:41.089 --> 00:18:45.289to the open beds in a particularmaternity home or something like that, because26100:18:45.289 --> 00:18:48.250it could be that there's this perfectmaternity home and they don't have any open26200:18:48.329 --> 00:18:52.210beds, they don't have anything,you know, places for women to say.26300:18:52.410 --> 00:18:55.759Okay, so we certainly wouldn't wantto make a promise that we have26400:18:56.000 --> 00:18:57.599no way of knowing whether or notwe can even keep that promise. Now26500:18:57.839 --> 00:19:02.319we'll just pretend in the scenario thathe absolutely knew and we'll give him that26600:19:02.359 --> 00:19:06.519allowance. Yeah, but we doneed to be careful to not say I'll26700:19:06.559 --> 00:19:11.390promise that we can do this but, like you said, I'll promise that26800:19:11.470 --> 00:19:15.230I will try how the hardest Ican. Yeah, and you can always,26900:19:15.109 --> 00:19:18.150and maybe I don't know if youmight disagree with this, but I27000:19:18.269 --> 00:19:22.349can always, I will always saysomething like listen, at the end of27100:19:22.349 --> 00:19:25.700the day, if you go inthere and get her out and we're not27200:19:25.819 --> 00:19:27.660able to deliver on anything, noone's stopping you from going back in there.27300:19:27.819 --> 00:19:30.420Right as I want to, Iwant to kind of get them thinking27400:19:30.460 --> 00:19:33.299along the lines of, like,you can put that off yeah, but27500:19:33.339 --> 00:19:37.299let's deal with what we know rightnow. We know a baby's about to27600:19:37.380 --> 00:19:40.849die, right, and that's whatI do appreciate in this conversation that he27700:19:40.890 --> 00:19:44.970kept on bringing it back to again. This is the emergency. The baby27800:19:45.089 --> 00:19:48.650is about to die. Let's let'sdo what we can. This what we27900:19:48.769 --> 00:19:51.410know. We know that a baby'sabout to die. Yeah, and all28000:19:51.490 --> 00:19:53.039of these, like he said,we can deal with all of that on28100:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.680the mobile unit, and I thinkthat's that's another point, is being able28200:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.799to point them away from the abortioncenter something else, to give them an28300:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.599alternative, like, okay, she'sin there right now, but listen,28400:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.269there's another place you can go,whether it be a mobile unit like in28500:20:07.390 --> 00:20:11.269this particular story, or it's apregnancy center down the road or whatever it28600:20:11.390 --> 00:20:15.390might be. Let's get her awayfrom there. Then we can talk about28700:20:15.390 --> 00:20:19.230all these other intricacies in the inthe scenario. Yeah, let's just get28800:20:19.269 --> 00:20:22.900her out of there right now.Yeah. Yeah, also, what she28900:20:23.539 --> 00:20:29.819was expressing is very common. Yes, not not to see this specifics of29000:20:29.900 --> 00:20:34.500her situation, but the trauma ofher situation, and many of these grandmas29100:20:34.539 --> 00:20:40.250in particular will go on and onand on about I mean they they they29200:20:40.410 --> 00:20:45.289need? Does they need help?They are just struggling so much emotionally and29300:20:45.569 --> 00:20:52.839that you're always straddling that line ofbeing empathetic and listening but recognizing there's an29400:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.440emergency. And there have been timesI have had to cut people off and29500:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.319just say I get it, Iget you are really struggling, but right29600:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.869now baby's going to die, andkeep bringing back them back to the urgency29700:21:03.990 --> 00:21:07.910of you got to go and getthat baby out. Yeah, so which,29800:21:07.950 --> 00:21:11.069in the real life things she did. She did ultimately go in and29900:21:11.109 --> 00:21:15.990get and get her out. Butanother thing he did he he talked about30000:21:17.029 --> 00:21:22.500human development already. When she saidit's just she gave the opening. Listen30100:21:22.619 --> 00:21:29.180for openings. Elijah seizes openings reallywell. She said it's really small,30200:21:29.539 --> 00:21:30.660it's really young, and he said, well, how far along? Well,30300:21:30.779 --> 00:21:37.089seven weeks, and he knew fetaldevelopment so that he could say again.30400:21:37.250 --> 00:21:41.329He he countered that lie. Itthe the lie going on in her30500:21:41.329 --> 00:21:45.130head, which is it's very small, it's okay because the baby so small30600:21:45.609 --> 00:21:48.359and undeveloped. And he said,well, honestly, they's already got it30700:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.599beaten hard. There's already detectable brainwaves. Every organ in place in just30800:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.559a week. Yeah. So,so that's really good and very important for30900:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.559all of us to know. Whenwe're out on a sidebook, we need31000:22:00.640 --> 00:22:06.109to know at least the first trimesterof of the key facts of fetal development,31100:22:06.150 --> 00:22:07.630which he did and brought him in. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,31200:22:07.789 --> 00:22:11.630like you said, counteracted that lie. It's just a Blob of tissue or31300:22:11.630 --> 00:22:15.460a clump of sales with the truth. But actually that baby's heart is beating31400:22:17.059 --> 00:22:22.940right and again, that called action, and so the emergency is that baby31500:22:22.059 --> 00:22:26.660is about to die. We needto go in and intervene. Would you?31600:22:26.779 --> 00:22:29.779Would you go in there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think31700:22:29.859 --> 00:22:33.049that's in any of these situations we'redealing with someone who's an influencer, right,31800:22:33.170 --> 00:22:36.329even if it's the dad, andwe talked about this before, the31900:22:36.369 --> 00:22:37.609dad, he's brought his girlfriend there, he's come out and talk with you,32000:22:38.490 --> 00:22:41.970in this case, the grandmother ofthe baby that scheduled to die,32100:22:41.369 --> 00:22:45.519whatever the situation might be, afriend, aunt, uncle, whatever,32200:22:47.240 --> 00:22:49.640with those influencers. Yes, we'vegot to we've got to listen and we've32300:22:49.680 --> 00:22:56.440gotta, you know, obviously respondand contradict lies with truth. But at32400:22:56.440 --> 00:22:57.519the end of the day, noneof that matters if they don't go in32500:22:57.559 --> 00:23:00.230there and get that that mom outof there. And so we want to32600:23:00.269 --> 00:23:03.710encourage them to do that. Yeah, and in your brief time, because,32700:23:03.789 --> 00:23:07.430remember, you want to be briefin these situations. You want to32800:23:07.509 --> 00:23:11.109be thinking of what. What ismy main goal? And I think one32900:23:11.150 --> 00:23:14.380of the main goals is to andstill hope. Ye, give give her33000:23:14.539 --> 00:23:18.180hope, give her something that,when she goes in, is going to33100:23:18.299 --> 00:23:22.619give the daughter hope to yeah,and in her case, for the grandma,33200:23:22.700 --> 00:23:25.819it was housing. There is nodoubt that was the issue that she33300:23:25.940 --> 00:23:29.170kept bringing up. I can't dothis again. She's going to be homeless.33400:23:29.170 --> 00:23:32.490I'm not going to raise another baby. Yeah, of hers. And33500:23:32.890 --> 00:23:37.329for the young lady to maybe hearthere are there are places that could take33600:23:37.450 --> 00:23:41.720you and that can help you toovercome this, and mentioning the fact that33700:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.039the last thing a drug addicted,struggling human being needs on their heart and33800:23:45.119 --> 00:23:49.440mind is the death of a child. Yeah, so think about that.33900:23:49.759 --> 00:23:55.200What can I say that's going togive them courage and hope in that brief34000:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.190time when she's going to go backin, and in the real life story,34100:24:00.630 --> 00:24:03.910she did bring the daughter out.The daughter and she came on the34200:24:03.950 --> 00:24:07.150RV with me and with our ournurse, who I don't remember who that34300:24:07.269 --> 00:24:11.500was, but we were able toask a lot of questions at that point34400:24:11.619 --> 00:24:18.099and learned that the story was evenharder than she had initially presented it.34500:24:18.980 --> 00:24:23.259And it's so easy in a situationlike this to want to give up because34600:24:23.289 --> 00:24:29.009it sounds so desperate. I don'tthink I'm alone in that right as a34700:24:29.170 --> 00:24:33.369counselor you hear just this. Thereare so many strikes against this family.34800:24:34.130 --> 00:24:40.799How on Earth Can God fix this? And I know I felt that in34900:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.400this situation and I felt it morewhen they were on the RV and I'm35000:24:45.440 --> 00:24:51.839hearing just the the level of terriblethings that had happened to this family.35100:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.390One of the things that came outwhile they were not talking each other.35200:24:56.589 --> 00:24:59.710I don't know how that grandma gother out of there, but the daughter35300:25:00.349 --> 00:25:04.430is just screaming at the the mother, her her mother, about how what35400:25:04.549 --> 00:25:10.019a terrible mother she's been and allthe struggles as in her life, why35500:25:10.140 --> 00:25:14.220she had turned to drugs, andthe grandmother is screaming at her daughter saying35600:25:14.299 --> 00:25:18.180you have never appreciated or understood whatI did for you, and I'm just35700:25:18.259 --> 00:25:22.289sitting there blinking thinking what do Ido now? Well, what do I35800:25:22.410 --> 00:25:26.450always do in those situations. Pray. Yeah, and introduce the Gospel.35900:25:26.609 --> 00:25:30.769And they both sat and listen.The grandmother claimed to have already been a36000:25:30.809 --> 00:25:34.490believer, so she was a receptiveperson. The daughter not at all.36100:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.519But as where I'm sharing the Gospel, you're seeing this is one of the36200:25:40.559 --> 00:25:45.319times when you just could see God'sspirit moving in this young lady, this36300:25:45.599 --> 00:25:52.990tormented young lady. And ultimately shesaid, when that was finished, and36400:25:53.069 --> 00:25:56.190it took a long time, shesaid she wanted to ask Jesus to be36500:25:56.309 --> 00:26:03.500her Lord. And and the thegrandma already had as Jesus to be her36600:26:03.579 --> 00:26:08.700Lord, and she was. Shewas just looking at her daughter incredulously,36700:26:10.579 --> 00:26:12.700and I do as I always do. Never pray the sinner's prayer anything like36800:26:12.740 --> 00:26:15.579that. Said, Talk to Godin your own words. Well, the36900:26:15.700 --> 00:26:22.410daughter then did proclaim that she wantedto submit her life to Jesus, and37000:26:22.529 --> 00:26:29.009was a beautiful prayer. But thenshe started apologizing to God for the way37100:26:29.130 --> 00:26:33.559she had treated her mother. Stillbrings tears to my eyes thinking of that,37200:26:33.759 --> 00:26:40.640because it was so sincere and itwas the first time the grandmother,37300:26:40.680 --> 00:26:48.670the mother that young lady, hadever heard an expression of love or sorrow37400:26:48.710 --> 00:26:53.269over how the daughter had treated thatmother. Yeah, and in the end37500:26:53.269 --> 00:27:00.500they hugged each other and and thethe young lady. Then we got them37600:27:00.579 --> 00:27:07.299the housing and everything and later thatday the grandmother texted me and said my37700:27:07.380 --> 00:27:12.380daughter said that's the first and onlypeace she has ever felt in her entire37800:27:14.019 --> 00:27:19.410life. Yeah, so out ofthat impossible situation God engineered a miracle,37900:27:19.930 --> 00:27:26.009truly a miracle. So never giveup. And and Elijah in this video38000:27:26.130 --> 00:27:30.400also never, never did give up. He didn't, he didn't wallow in.38100:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.920Wow, that's an impossible situation.You're right, just go in and38200:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.359right the baby, which none ofour counselors would ever say. We may38300:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.000feel it sometimes, but we neversay that right. Yeah, and in38400:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.349the other situation it's like, yeah, there's some man possibilities, but I38500:27:44.470 --> 00:27:47.829think one of the things we alwayshave to come back to is God is38600:27:47.910 --> 00:27:51.269the God of the impossible. We'vegot to put it in his hands.38700:27:51.309 --> 00:27:53.750Yeah, and part of that isgetting out of the abortion center. Let's38800:27:53.789 --> 00:27:56.990do the right thing, let's let'slike you've said before, let's do the38900:27:57.109 --> 00:28:02.539next right thing. Yeah, putit in God's hands and stories like would39000:28:02.539 --> 00:28:04.579you just shared. I mean that, that that is redemption right there.39100:28:04.660 --> 00:28:08.180That is that is gotten front ofour eyes. Yea God doing his thing.39200:28:08.220 --> 00:28:14.210Right, that's the Holy Spirit.Only the Holy Spirit could orchestrate in39300:28:14.410 --> 00:28:18.569front of an abortion clinic. Rightjust minutes away, this girl's inside the39400:28:18.609 --> 00:28:22.410abortion center. Yeah, now she'sout on the RV repenting, yeah,39500:28:22.569 --> 00:28:26.529and reconciling with her mother. Yeah, and yeah, that mean that's that's39600:28:26.569 --> 00:28:29.279God. Yeah, that's God doingthat thing. Yeah, that work.39700:28:29.720 --> 00:28:34.039Yeah, and ultimately, all ofthese situations we've got to be yielded to39800:28:34.119 --> 00:28:38.519the Lord. We've got to be, as John Chapter Fifteen says, we've39900:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.549got to be connected to the trueVin Jesus. Right, apart from him40000:28:42.589 --> 00:28:45.950we can do nothing right. Ithink I'Llig you would acknowledge that, even40100:28:45.950 --> 00:28:51.509though this was a mock session.Yeah, in any of these situations we've40200:28:51.509 --> 00:28:52.950got to lean on the Lord.We've got to say tapped into the Lord,40300:28:52.990 --> 00:28:56.019because he can give us wisdom,he can help our tone to come40400:28:56.099 --> 00:29:00.299across the way that it needs to. He can help us when we're dumbfounded,40500:29:00.339 --> 00:29:03.500when here's a mom and a daughterarguing in front of us on the40600:29:03.660 --> 00:29:07.339RV and it's like, okay,what do I do? Introduce the Gospel.40700:29:07.500 --> 00:29:11.130All right, let the Holy Spiritdo his thing. Yeah, and40800:29:11.250 --> 00:29:17.210it's amazing what he'll do right withyou as a yielded vessel. Yeah,40900:29:17.250 --> 00:29:21.250it's amazing. It is. Hopefullythis was an encouragement. Hopefully this was41000:29:21.369 --> 00:29:25.119equipping to you guys. We wouldalways encourage you guests, reach out to41100:29:25.160 --> 00:29:26.480us. You can reach me,Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You41200:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.640reach her, Vicky at Love LifeDot Org, if you have, I41300:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.279don't know, suggestions for probably castlike we often asked for, but also41400:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.670maybe questions about this, maybe someways that you would handle this differently,41500:29:38.829 --> 00:29:41.509some things that maybe you would say. Maybe you've been doing this for a41600:29:41.589 --> 00:29:45.390while and you have some some thingsto add and certainly if they're if it's41700:29:45.430 --> 00:29:52.190appropriate, will tack that onto anotherpodcast episode. We we don't feel like41800:29:52.230 --> 00:29:53.940we have it all together, butGod is by His mercy, has taught41900:29:53.940 --> 00:29:57.579us some thank giving us some experiencesand we're just trying to help me quip42000:29:57.619 --> 00:30:00.940you guys with the experiences that wehave and what we know from the word42100:30:00.980 --> 00:30:04.299of God. Of course. Hey, so again we hope this was a42200:30:04.380 --> 00:30:08.049blessing. You, guys. Wehope that you share this podcast give us42300:30:08.049 --> 00:30:12.690a review on itunes or wherever youlisten to this podcast. But until next42400:30:12.690 --> 00:30:25.200time, God bless, God bless. Give me love for love, give42500:30:25.359 --> 00:30:33.039me our love for gratitude. Iknow it will cost me my life.42600:30:37.750 --> 00:30:41.150Nothing's too precious in some you