Jan. 27, 2022

Ministering to Women With Postpartum Depression

Ministering to Women With Postpartum Depression

There a many reasons women give for coming to an abortion center. Recently, one of our Love Life Missionaries encountered a young lady who came to abort because she had a history of postpartum depression. Vicky did some research and now we're experts on the subject. Just kidding, but we do have some insights that we think will help encourage and equip you when you encounter women dealing with this at your local abortion center.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:05.919 So here we are. The MOM's come in, she's ready to abort and 2 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:10.669 you know that actually, if she's had it in her past, she's likely 3 00:00:10.710 --> 00:00:15.589 to have it again. And so what do you what do you say to 4 00:00:15.789 --> 00:00:23.420 her as she's as she's contemplating abortion? I Am Yours, I am yours, 5 00:00:23.780 --> 00:00:28.620 I am yours. And Me, Lord, I am yours, I 6 00:00:28.899 --> 00:00:34.060 am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast 7 00:00:34.179 --> 00:00:39.729 designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always 8 00:00:39.770 --> 00:00:47.770 with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish touch 9 00:00:48.210 --> 00:00:58.359 your use me, Lord. 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We want to say and do 26 00:02:04.469 --> 00:02:09.189 that which honors the Lord Jesus, and we don't we don't consider ourselves experts 27 00:02:09.229 --> 00:02:15.270 all those some people may consider us to be experts, and STHARY is we're 28 00:02:15.469 --> 00:02:19.900 we're sort of expert. Yeah, I guess so, but more than anything 29 00:02:19.979 --> 00:02:23.860 we just want to encourage you guys and bring subjects that come across our radar 30 00:02:23.900 --> 00:02:30.689 across your radar, and that's how most of these podcast episodes come we have 31 00:02:30.930 --> 00:02:35.770 some kind of situation that we deal with with a mom or something, somebody 32 00:02:36.009 --> 00:02:38.729 and we hey, maybe we should do a podcast about that, and that's 33 00:02:38.770 --> 00:02:43.330 where this podcast episode is coming from. kind of a weird subject, yeah, 34 00:02:43.409 --> 00:02:47.439 for some people, but it's something likely if you are ministering on the 35 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:53.280 sidewalk, ministering to mom's that go to these abortion centers, you're going to 36 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:55.400 likely place it. So what's our what's our subject? Yeah, well, 37 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:01.310 this was actually a topic that one of our sidewalk missionaries contacted me and said 38 00:03:01.310 --> 00:03:07.629 that this mom had had gone into the abortion center was planning to abort and 39 00:03:07.669 --> 00:03:10.030 it was based on the fact that she had a history of postpartum depression, 40 00:03:10.270 --> 00:03:16.379 okay, and she was very concerned about going through that again. It had 41 00:03:16.419 --> 00:03:23.939 been pretty rough, pretty devastating, and the sidewalk missionary that contacted me really 42 00:03:23.979 --> 00:03:30.009 knew very little about postpartum depression didn't really know how to address it. So 43 00:03:30.930 --> 00:03:35.650 I thought that would be a good thing for us to talk about. I 44 00:03:35.849 --> 00:03:39.889 have had women with what I would consider baby blues. There is a difference 45 00:03:40.129 --> 00:03:46.560 between the less serious baby blues and exhaustion that probably every new mom feels and 46 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:53.240 postpartiment depression. But so I did some research, contacted our high risk doctor 47 00:03:53.560 --> 00:04:00.389 and she sent me a couple of articles, contacted our wonderful doctor Matt Harrison, 48 00:04:00.430 --> 00:04:03.990 yeah, who is the pioneer of the abortion po reversal and and he 49 00:04:04.150 --> 00:04:09.870 works with many moms, and asked him for some inputs. So that's how 50 00:04:10.259 --> 00:04:16.579 this particular article and podcasts developed. Okay. So, so the first thing 51 00:04:17.779 --> 00:04:24.730 you know is is the woman was threatening abortion and I believe the counselor had 52 00:04:25.050 --> 00:04:29.930 kind of talked her at least momentarily out of that. Okay, but then 53 00:04:30.129 --> 00:04:34.250 didn't quite know what now. Yes, what's next? Yeah, so what 54 00:04:34.449 --> 00:04:41.879 the things that that I counseled immediately were that we had a high risk doctor 55 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.959 who she could contact, and I think that's number one thing, yeah, 56 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.439 for for people to have in their rup. Yeah, absolutely, having some 57 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:55.110 kind of medical professional that could speak to this stuff. And of course the 58 00:04:55.230 --> 00:04:59.230 best is that that medical professional is a believer in Jesus. Yeah, we're 59 00:04:59.269 --> 00:05:02.069 dealing with things like postpartum depression. I mean having an MD, certainly an 60 00:05:02.149 --> 00:05:08.300 Obgyn because she's dealt with that stuff before, for sure, yeah, but 61 00:05:08.420 --> 00:05:12.620 maybe having someone that deals in the mental health realm. Yeah, someone the 62 00:05:12.740 --> 00:05:16.579 deals in the counseling realm that's dealt with postpartum depression and maybe because it's not 63 00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:21.370 always easy to find an md or someone who's, like you, certified or 64 00:05:21.449 --> 00:05:26.170 whatever in this area. Yeah, maybe you can't find that, but having 65 00:05:26.410 --> 00:05:29.850 maybe a connection with a church that has a counseling center or something like that, 66 00:05:30.089 --> 00:05:32.810 but connecting them to someone that can get more in depth and that has 67 00:05:32.850 --> 00:05:38.480 dealt with these situations is probably one of the most important things you can do, 68 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.720 beyond praying. The share word moves in that sharation. Yeah, so 69 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.600 in in this article, the first thing that I thought we should do is 70 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:49.509 define what it is so that our kind slurs and anyone listening to this podcast 71 00:05:49.670 --> 00:05:53.829 really knows what it is. You may have a general sense, but the 72 00:05:53.990 --> 00:06:03.269 Mayo clinics definition of postpartum depression is first of all differentiates it from baby blues, 73 00:06:03.500 --> 00:06:08.220 which I have mentioned. Is that like a technical thing? Baby Blues, 74 00:06:08.300 --> 00:06:11.139 Baby Blues. That's what if they was in the article, they they 75 00:06:11.420 --> 00:06:15.699 and that's it's very common. You know, MOMS are new baby, new 76 00:06:15.860 --> 00:06:21.089 schedule, exhausted, all these hormone searging through you. So it is very 77 00:06:21.170 --> 00:06:28.649 common to have mood swings, crying spells, anxiety, difficulty sleeping and the 78 00:06:28.810 --> 00:06:33.600 difference between Postpartum Depression and baby blues is that the baby blues usually begin within 79 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:39.199 the first two to three days after delivery and can last up to like two 80 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:46.800 weeks. But postpartum depression is long lasting. It can it can even in 81 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:51.069 extreme cases, turn into an extreme mood disorder which is called postpartum psychosis, 82 00:06:51.629 --> 00:06:57.389 and it usually occurs after childbirth. It can begin before the baby's born, 83 00:06:57.430 --> 00:07:03.860 but usually it occurs following childbirth. So one of the things that it really 84 00:07:03.899 --> 00:07:09.420 made clear in the articles that I read and that the doctors I spoke with 85 00:07:09.819 --> 00:07:14.500 it's treatable, okay, and it is serious. Take it seriously. I 86 00:07:14.579 --> 00:07:18.529 think that's import Horton, okay, that anyone who interacts with the mom who 87 00:07:18.610 --> 00:07:24.970 says she has a history of it or she's currently going through it, take 88 00:07:25.009 --> 00:07:30.879 it seriously but reassure her that they're there are effective treatments and the sooner it's 89 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:39.439 identified, the better the treatments are and the more effective that the treatments are. 90 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.310 So I let's say, one of the things just to chime in a 91 00:07:44.350 --> 00:07:48.029 quick as a man from the male perspective. Yeah, when you encounter these 92 00:07:48.069 --> 00:07:53.110 women, I think we've said this reiterated this point several times that when you 93 00:07:53.230 --> 00:07:57.589 encounter a mom and she gives some reason why she's coming to the abortion center, 94 00:07:58.939 --> 00:08:01.699 sometimes those reason can they can be ridiculous to us and we don't understand. 95 00:08:01.819 --> 00:08:05.019 We don't we don't connect with it right, especially as a man and 96 00:08:05.220 --> 00:08:09.939 dealing with postpartum depression like no man's ever dealt with postpartum depression. So we 97 00:08:09.980 --> 00:08:13.850 could be tempted to kind of just shrug it off. It's like, well, 98 00:08:13.850 --> 00:08:16.089 that's no reason to kill your baby, right. But I want to 99 00:08:16.290 --> 00:08:20.370 reinforce what you said, that we need to take it seriously. We need 100 00:08:20.449 --> 00:08:22.209 to, like we've always said, identify with their pain, even though it 101 00:08:22.290 --> 00:08:26.160 does not justify them killing their child. To them it's real. To them 102 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.320 it's at least it's some sense a justification to be at the abortion center and 103 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.399 we need to take it seriously. We need to address it now. Probably, 104 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.000 as a man, I'm not even get as in depth as you would 105 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:45.830 with the situation right right, but certainly if I've got people that I can 106 00:08:45.870 --> 00:08:48.789 get on the phone, if I've got a I'm out there on the sidewalk 107 00:08:48.830 --> 00:08:50.029 and I'm talking to a mom that's going in. She said, well, 108 00:08:50.149 --> 00:08:52.750 that with postpartum depression in the past and I don't want to deal with that 109 00:08:52.909 --> 00:08:56.620 this time. Still dealing with that or whatever. I'm probably going to call 110 00:08:56.659 --> 00:09:01.940 a female counselor over. Yeah, I'm probably going to not, probably definitely 111 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:03.259 going to point her to the pregnancy center. Hey, don't go in there. 112 00:09:03.299 --> 00:09:07.100 There's people in the pregnancy center. They can talk with that. I'll 113 00:09:07.139 --> 00:09:09.779 talk with you about that. And then again, if I have a medical 114 00:09:09.820 --> 00:09:11.409 professional so I can get on the phone, accounsel or something like that. 115 00:09:11.970 --> 00:09:16.409 Definitely want a connector with that, that person to yeah, yeah, and 116 00:09:16.610 --> 00:09:18.730 it is very important. We mentioned this in the article. I would recommend 117 00:09:18.730 --> 00:09:22.649 everyone read the artum article because we're not going to be able to get into 118 00:09:22.690 --> 00:09:26.120 the depth and the time we have. But one of the things the the 119 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:31.679 experts say is if there is a history of postpartum depression, there is a 120 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:37.639 greater likelihood and subsequent pregnancies that there will be postpartum depression. So this woman's 121 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.190 sphere was real. Yeah, I think it might have even been her doctor 122 00:09:41.830 --> 00:09:45.269 that had sent her to the abortion center, which is so sad and so 123 00:09:45.389 --> 00:09:48.429 terrible because you you may or may not have postpartum depression, but it is 124 00:09:48.629 --> 00:09:54.019 serious as is debilitating, and it can truly it can be so severe that 125 00:09:54.139 --> 00:09:58.980 it can affect the mother's ability to bond to the child and the child could 126 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:03.700 literally be in danger. It is very important that a professional be involved if 127 00:10:03.820 --> 00:10:07.450 that is in the in the woman's past. But so some of the symptoms, 128 00:10:09.169 --> 00:10:13.289 so so that that you know that this is different, more severe than 129 00:10:13.409 --> 00:10:18.610 just the crying, the tiredness, the sadness or irritability that often accompanies an 130 00:10:18.610 --> 00:10:24.200 exhausted woman following the birth of a baby. But with postpartum depression it's usually 131 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:31.279 developing within the first few weeks after giving birth, may begin earlier during pregnancy. 132 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:37.470 There's depressed mood and severe mood swings, excessive crying, this is an 133 00:10:37.509 --> 00:10:41.909 important one. Difficulty bonding with the baby. Yeah, that's different from the 134 00:10:43.029 --> 00:10:46.509 baby blues. Baby Blues. There is sadness, there is irritability, but 135 00:10:46.669 --> 00:10:52.820 you love your baby. Yeah, and and the postpartum depressed woman may not 136 00:10:52.980 --> 00:10:56.940 feel that. She may just detach, be detached, yeah, from that 137 00:10:58.059 --> 00:11:05.649 baby. She may withdraw from family and friends, losing appetite, having insomnia 138 00:11:05.690 --> 00:11:11.250 or sleeping too much, overwhelming fatigue. All of those a company new childbirth. 139 00:11:11.330 --> 00:11:13.529 So you can see why. Sometimes it's hard to differentiate the two, 140 00:11:13.570 --> 00:11:20.080 which is why you got to get a professional in to diagnose hope. Hopelessness 141 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:28.279 is another sign. Feelings of worthlessness, shame, panic attacks. This is 142 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.470 another really important one. Thoughts of harming yourself or the baby. Yeah, 143 00:11:33.509 --> 00:11:39.230 again, that's not a normal baby be blue right response. Recurrent thoughts of 144 00:11:39.350 --> 00:11:43.429 death or suicide is a really serious thing that you should always pay attention to. 145 00:11:43.629 --> 00:11:48.779 Yeah, and if it's left untreated, it can last for many months 146 00:11:48.820 --> 00:11:54.259 or longer, which would, of course, severely affect that the outcome for 147 00:11:54.379 --> 00:11:56.779 that child, because that's such an important time, yeah, of bonding, 148 00:11:58.419 --> 00:12:01.090 you know, early on. Yeah, absolutely so. So some of the 149 00:12:01.129 --> 00:12:09.049 risk factors. We wrote those down and what I noticed was that a lot 150 00:12:09.169 --> 00:12:15.250 of them are similar risk factors to what we see in the women we encounter 151 00:12:15.370 --> 00:12:20.600 at the abortion center. Yeah, just in general, financial problems, week 152 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:28.759 support system, problems with relationships, all those things we see probably in every 153 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.429 woman we meet. Yeah, added the abortion center some measure, for sure, 154 00:12:33.149 --> 00:12:39.110 a big one. Pregnancy was unplanned or unwanted. So you know that 155 00:12:39.470 --> 00:12:46.419 you're probably going to run into women with postpartum depression. Given these risk factors, 156 00:12:46.460 --> 00:12:52.460 which are so so prevalent in the women that come for an abortion. 157 00:12:52.500 --> 00:13:01.610 Yeah, history of depression is particularly indicative of the chance of postpartum depression. 158 00:13:03.169 --> 00:13:09.409 Come enough. So here we are. The MOM's come in, she's ready 159 00:13:09.490 --> 00:13:13.519 to abort and you know that actually, if she's had it in her past, 160 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.960 she's likely to have it again. And so what he's what do you 161 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:24.799 say to her as she's as she's contemplating abortion? And I think one of 162 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:31.590 the things that we often say to women whenever there's a possibility but not a 163 00:13:31.950 --> 00:13:41.139 certainty, that we can use that same discussion with a woman with postpartum depression. 164 00:13:41.179 --> 00:13:46.340 Yeah, you may or may not have postpartum depression, but yeah, 165 00:13:46.379 --> 00:13:50.899 I mean it's similar to those situations where you encounter a woman at the abortion 166 00:13:50.980 --> 00:13:54.700 center that says, you know, I had whatever, whatever the disorder was. 167 00:13:56.049 --> 00:14:00.450 High blood pressure, so a common one during the last pregnancy. Clamps 168 00:14:00.490 --> 00:14:05.570 here exactly problem will have during pregnancy. So they might say they had complications 169 00:14:05.649 --> 00:14:09.289 with their last pregnancy and they don't want to take a risk this time. 170 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:13.399 Like you mentioned earlier, their doctor sometimes has counseled them to come to the 171 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:18.960 abortion center because they had passed issues. And so, yeah, it's important 172 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.669 to remind them that not just because you have a certain thing in your past 173 00:14:24.789 --> 00:14:28.870 does not necessarily mean that thing is going to manifest currently. And then I 174 00:14:28.990 --> 00:14:33.470 think you have to either way, we have to confront with the real issue, 175 00:14:33.710 --> 00:14:37.230 is in the real issue is lack of a connection with the Lord, 176 00:14:37.350 --> 00:14:41.700 and you can do that very graciously. You want to bring Jesus into the 177 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:45.340 equation, right, and the way I would do that if I was having 178 00:14:45.379 --> 00:14:48.740 this conversation. Well, you need to bring Jesus into the conversation, for 179 00:14:48.860 --> 00:14:50.340 sure, but you also need to talk about the humanity of the baby. 180 00:14:50.940 --> 00:14:54.490 You need to dispel the myth, the lie that that baby is just a 181 00:14:54.570 --> 00:14:58.409 pregnancy, just a process that they're in. The baby's actually a human being. 182 00:14:58.490 --> 00:15:01.970 So, but bringing Jesus into the equation. If I was to encounter 183 00:15:01.970 --> 00:15:05.570 a woman in this particular scenario, I would first identify with her pain, 184 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.480 because I'll ask the question often times in the course of the conversation, which 185 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:11.919 so, what makes you feel like this is something you have to do, 186 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:15.759 and I can imagine it playing itself out. I have not yet, just 187 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:18.919 so you know, I have not yet encountered this. Yeah, I've talked 188 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:24.669 to women that have had postpartum depression, but not coming to the abortion center 189 00:15:24.710 --> 00:15:28.590 in that particular scenario. Right. Yeah, but so I asked them what 190 00:15:28.909 --> 00:15:31.830 would you what makes you feel like abortion is an option for you and if 191 00:15:31.870 --> 00:15:37.379 they're sure to come out? Well, I deal strongly with postpartum depression. 192 00:15:37.700 --> 00:15:43.779 My last two children I had a heavy postpartum depression and I just don't want 193 00:15:43.820 --> 00:15:48.779 to deal with that again. And so my first responsib be man that that's 194 00:15:48.860 --> 00:15:50.529 terrible. I hate that you deal with that. Yeah, and then I 195 00:15:50.570 --> 00:15:54.289 wur bring Jesus into the equation. Like, you know, God would say 196 00:15:54.370 --> 00:15:58.809 something like do you believe in God? Nine Times out of ten, yeah, 197 00:15:58.809 --> 00:16:02.009 I believe in God. Yeah, so you know God. God sees 198 00:16:02.090 --> 00:16:06.120 that pain, God knows the depression, the struggle, God knows all of 199 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:10.120 that stuff and he cares about it. And so I bring Jesus into the 200 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.639 equation. I maybe would bring some scripture. The Bible says cast your cares 201 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:17.600 on the Lord, for he cares for you. Jesus cares about the stuff 202 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:18.950 that you're going through. He wants you to cast those cares on him. 203 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:22.830 Yeah, and then I'm going to be talking about the humanity of the baby. 204 00:16:22.990 --> 00:16:26.590 Hmmm. Do you know that that that baby that you carry inside of 205 00:16:26.629 --> 00:16:30.190 your womb is precious to the Lord and even though you might be struggling even 206 00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:34.419 now mentally or had struggled in the past mentally, your children are a blessing. 207 00:16:34.460 --> 00:16:37.700 Yeah, maybe you carry right now, though she or she's very small, 208 00:16:37.820 --> 00:16:41.299 that baby is alive. Yeah, and then, of course I'll start 209 00:16:41.340 --> 00:16:44.460 talking about, you know, your baby's hearts already beating. Yeah, and 210 00:16:44.580 --> 00:16:48.129 then after that, I mean we're talking probably this is a five minute conversation 211 00:16:48.169 --> 00:16:52.850 or less. I'm pointing them right to the mobile ultrasound unit or right to 212 00:16:52.289 --> 00:16:56.889 a pregnancy center down the road, right to somewhere other than that place. 213 00:16:56.929 --> 00:16:59.730 They would you be willing just to go down the road to the pregnancy center? 214 00:16:59.769 --> 00:17:02.879 It's fifteen minutes away. Here's the address, and they will have a 215 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:06.480 nurse that will give you a free pregnancy test for ultrasound and they can talk 216 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.839 with you about all this stuff. Yeah, and I like what you're doing 217 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:14.720 is you're taking her focus off of her own fears and pain and putting it 218 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:18.190 on another human being, yeah, which is which is that baby, and 219 00:17:18.430 --> 00:17:21.430 also, of course, on the help that God. And I liked what 220 00:17:21.549 --> 00:17:25.470 you said that, when you said that God knows about out your pain and 221 00:17:25.589 --> 00:17:30.539 your struggle, because so many of them describe themselves as feeling like they're all 222 00:17:30.579 --> 00:17:33.019 alone in this and then no one understands. And bring it in the fact 223 00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:37.900 that will God does. God understands. Yeah, and and he's there. 224 00:17:38.700 --> 00:17:45.329 So so those are all good and and and talking about again, of course, 225 00:17:45.490 --> 00:17:48.690 that there's a certainty if you take the child's life, the baby's dead 226 00:17:48.849 --> 00:17:52.970 and the baby may may or may not have yeah, well, are you 227 00:17:52.089 --> 00:17:56.170 named? Yeah, would that. Would certainly mention that. Yeah, you 228 00:17:56.250 --> 00:17:59.640 may have had this in the past, but that's no promise that you're going 229 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:02.960 to have this right issue in the future. Right, but what is certain? 230 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:06.079 That's an uncertainty. You're not sure that you're going to have that. 231 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.599 Yeah, but this is certain that if you go inside of that place, 232 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:15.349 your baby's right right. Yeah, and then, if possible, if it 233 00:18:15.470 --> 00:18:19.750 was a doctor that sent her there, her doctor, you need to help 234 00:18:19.789 --> 00:18:23.710 find her another doctor. Yeah, it's kind of there are pro life doctors, 235 00:18:23.789 --> 00:18:29.220 in fact, and I spoke with Dr Matt because I am hardly an 236 00:18:29.259 --> 00:18:33.579 expert on this. I actually never experience postpartum depression myself with any of my 237 00:18:33.660 --> 00:18:38.980 pregnancies. But it is it is serious. Dr Matt said. It can 238 00:18:40.099 --> 00:18:45.049 be very serious and it can lead to severe depressive disorder. So we you. 239 00:18:45.369 --> 00:18:48.410 You do need to take it seriously and it does need to be treated 240 00:18:48.490 --> 00:18:56.000 and addressed. But he said the answer is never killing the baby. Yeah, 241 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.079 there is treatment and so reminding the woman also and knowing that yourself. 242 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.319 I didn't know that. I didn't know what they could do for postpartum depression. 243 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.680 I thought the woman just had to gut through it. But apparently there 244 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.670 are drugs that you can even take during pregnancy that are safe during pregnancy, 245 00:19:12.470 --> 00:19:18.710 so he said. When I did talk with Dr Matt he he said that 246 00:19:19.230 --> 00:19:25.660 there are really some important things that sidewalk volunteer should know. First, that 247 00:19:25.779 --> 00:19:29.900 it can be treated safely and effectively. It is effective. There is good 248 00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:33.779 medication available. Yeah, but he also said, and I thought this was 249 00:19:33.859 --> 00:19:38.130 so important for us as sidewalk counselors in especially Love Life Ministry, who appoints 250 00:19:38.210 --> 00:19:44.289 mentors to these women. He said the woman will require a lot of support 251 00:19:45.410 --> 00:19:51.450 if she's struggling with postpartum depression. So he also made another point. I 252 00:19:51.650 --> 00:19:55.240 do want. I do want maybe you to to talk a little bit about. 253 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:56.839 Okay, the woman needs a lot of support. So what are we 254 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:02.559 then to think and to provide and to think about, you know, as 255 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:07.750 are follow up with this woman? Yeah, but he also said Post postport 256 00:20:08.029 --> 00:20:15.710 post partum depression, is a real issue. May Or may not occur with 257 00:20:15.950 --> 00:20:23.180 the with that pregnancy, but post abortion traumatic syndrome is also a real issue 258 00:20:23.700 --> 00:20:29.660 and can be devastating. And he said if they abhort, they they're adding 259 00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:33.859 a new level of another trauma that they are going to have to deal with. 260 00:20:33.220 --> 00:20:36.809 Yeah, which, of course, is is even worse because it's not 261 00:20:36.930 --> 00:20:40.970 only them, but now it's also as child. Yeah, so in terms 262 00:20:41.009 --> 00:20:44.130 of the extra support, yeah, well, in terms of the extra support, 263 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:48.089 I mean I think with if we encounter a woman in this situation, 264 00:20:48.170 --> 00:20:51.720 assuring her that we have churches that will walk with their, stand with their 265 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:56.680 I mean one of the things with any kind of depression is loneliness and people 266 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.119 feeling alone, people feeling isolated, people feeling like there's no one that cares, 267 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:04.910 and letting them know, reassuring them they're there are people that care. 268 00:21:04.910 --> 00:21:08.029 Yeah, in this city, this is often times my statement. In this 269 00:21:08.150 --> 00:21:12.509 city they're literally hundreds of churches, with people in those churches that want to 270 00:21:12.589 --> 00:21:15.789 walk with you through this pregnancy? Yeah, can we connect you with one 271 00:21:15.829 --> 00:21:22.220 of them and just letting them know? And I think in these situations not. 272 00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:25.900 I think. I know in these situations we need to be very intentional 273 00:21:25.980 --> 00:21:30.900 about how the words that we use. We need to be very intentional about 274 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:34.450 the tone of our voice, we need to be very intentional about really understanding 275 00:21:34.529 --> 00:21:41.250 this person's in mental anguish. This person is struggling mentally and though we mightn't 276 00:21:41.329 --> 00:21:45.809 connect with that, like, certainly again, I can't. Next with postpartum 277 00:21:45.849 --> 00:21:51.000 depression. And really, you know, I've been bummed before, but I've 278 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.640 never been like clinically depressed. I don't know what all of that entails, 279 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:57.440 you know, when you start talking about medications and all that stuff, like, 280 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:00.710 I don't know about all that stuff. I don't know that world of 281 00:22:02.589 --> 00:22:07.269 medicine and I have some skepticism about that right, about psychiatric drugs and how 282 00:22:07.309 --> 00:22:10.309 good they are and all that stuff. But just because I have some skepticism 283 00:22:10.349 --> 00:22:12.910 about it doesn't mean I write it off completely. And again I try to 284 00:22:12.950 --> 00:22:15.339 stay in my lane. Right now. I don't know about all that stuff. 285 00:22:15.339 --> 00:22:18.259 So I'm one of the things I'm not going to do is I'm not 286 00:22:18.259 --> 00:22:21.259 going to Poopoo that stuff. Hey, I'm going to ride away if I 287 00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:25.859 can get her away from that abortion center. And then with some follow up, 288 00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:29.259 let's say I've sent her to the pregnancy center down the road, I've 289 00:22:29.299 --> 00:22:32.890 gotten her contact info, I'll probably would hand it off to you or one 290 00:22:32.890 --> 00:22:34.930 of the female counselors at that point. Yeah, the follow up from that 291 00:22:36.049 --> 00:22:40.569 would be connecting her with a medical professional, or at least following up and 292 00:22:40.609 --> 00:22:42.970 saying, Hey, did the pregnancy center that they help get you connected with 293 00:22:44.009 --> 00:22:47.400 a medical professional, because quite likely that that could happen if she shared with 294 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:49.039 them, and she may not have shared with them. So it might be 295 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:53.200 on you to connect her with the medical professional. Yeah, and then again 296 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:57.480 following up with can we connect you with a mentor, because to me that 297 00:22:57.710 --> 00:23:03.910 may even go further than connecting her with a doctor or some kind of counselor 298 00:23:03.029 --> 00:23:07.470 something like that. The fact that there are people in this thing with her 299 00:23:07.470 --> 00:23:11.390 who could be then invite her to church. I mean, listen, God 300 00:23:11.470 --> 00:23:15.980 can break through in those situation and alleviate any kind of depression, fear of 301 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:18.460 depression, and I think that's what we're talking about really. We're not talking 302 00:23:18.500 --> 00:23:23.900 about maybe dealing with the actual depression or encounter woman at the abortion center. 303 00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:27.690 We're talking about dealing with the fear that that could happen exactly. Although you 304 00:23:27.769 --> 00:23:32.529 know, down the road, we I. If Mentor or a counselor is 305 00:23:32.569 --> 00:23:34.769 following a woman through the birth of their child, you may encounter someone who's 306 00:23:34.769 --> 00:23:38.849 actually then in depression. But right now this situation that arose was just the 307 00:23:40.009 --> 00:23:42.519 fear. Yeah, of what I think for me, like just going through 308 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:47.720 this. I breezed through this article when you sent it over, but I'm 309 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:52.240 learning something like to me this pretty profound, which is that not? I 310 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.470 mean a new postpartum depression was a real thing. Yeah, but didn't really 311 00:23:56.549 --> 00:24:00.230 understand, like, gosh, it's more than just their bum because they don't 312 00:24:00.230 --> 00:24:03.269 have a baby anymore. Else kind of what my thinking was, like they're 313 00:24:03.269 --> 00:24:07.990 missing the fact that they're pregnant or whatever. Yeah, this is more than 314 00:24:08.109 --> 00:24:11.980 what you, I guess, what they call the baby blues. And so 315 00:24:11.259 --> 00:24:15.460 to me this is enlightening at least knowing that this is a this is a 316 00:24:15.539 --> 00:24:19.180 reality for yeah, and it and what what went through my mind with I 317 00:24:19.299 --> 00:24:25.210 think like you said, I think the mentorship is critical, very critical for 318 00:24:25.329 --> 00:24:27.690 this woman. She's going to need a lot of support. Is What Dr 319 00:24:27.769 --> 00:24:32.890 Matt said and what the art of what the articles I read said. There 320 00:24:33.089 --> 00:24:37.450 for the Church or whoever is a pointing a mentor, if your city does 321 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.960 that, and I hope that more and more cities will be doing that, 322 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.680 a mentor from a with the backing of a church to follow this woman. 323 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:49.480 That mentor needs to know this is going to be intense, because there are 324 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:53.470 some people who are willing to take that on as a mentor. Yeah, 325 00:24:53.829 --> 00:24:57.990 there are different levels of what people are willing to give as a mentor and 326 00:24:59.109 --> 00:25:02.190 in in this case this is going to be someone that is it's going to 327 00:25:02.269 --> 00:25:04.589 be intense, and so it needs to be a mentor who is willing to 328 00:25:06.230 --> 00:25:08.700 be involved in the ideal one would probably be someone who has been through it 329 00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:15.339 herself. But we wrote out a list of things that we should do as 330 00:25:15.460 --> 00:25:21.059 as sidewalk counselors, and I think those are important. They're kind of the 331 00:25:21.099 --> 00:25:27.769 the take home list. All right, but don't minimize the issue is is 332 00:25:29.569 --> 00:25:34.650 the first thing, which we've said, a doctor needs to know she's pregnant 333 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.880 and worried about postpartum depression? If so, you need to find that out. 334 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:44.759 Yeah, recommend a second opinion. If a doctor has referred her to 335 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:48.240 the abortion center. Yeah, then for sure she definitely doesn't need to go 336 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:49.950 back to that. You need to go find not only a second opinion, 337 00:25:49.990 --> 00:25:55.630 you need a new doctor. Yeah, talking about that treatment is available. 338 00:25:55.670 --> 00:25:59.150 Oftentimes just knowing that will help them. Yeah, they may not. They 339 00:25:59.190 --> 00:26:03.750 may not have known that speaking with a high risk doctor, having that available, 340 00:26:03.740 --> 00:26:07.619 reminding her it's temporary. I don't know if we mentioned that so far, 341 00:26:07.779 --> 00:26:14.259 but that's really important and this is a good counseling technique for anyone we 342 00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:18.049 encounter at the abortion center. They're usually in a situation that's temporary. Yeah, 343 00:26:18.130 --> 00:26:22.569 yeah, a good statement is don't employ a permanent solution for a temporary 344 00:26:22.650 --> 00:26:26.849 theiry issue. Yeah, exact portion is a permanent yeah. Yeah, it's 345 00:26:26.930 --> 00:26:30.450 permanent in the sense that it permanently ends the life of a baby. Yeah, 346 00:26:32.009 --> 00:26:33.880 and I didn't write this one down in the article, but it occurred 347 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:38.839 to me to be on the lookout of women who have an unusual level of 348 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.480 detachment from the baby growing in them, and I have seen that. I've 349 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.750 never heard it labeled as postpartum depression before. Yeah, but I had one 350 00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:52.349 woman, I think we spoke about her in the past some other podcast, 351 00:26:52.710 --> 00:26:56.910 that kept saying she agreed with everything I said but kept saying, I just 352 00:26:56.029 --> 00:26:59.589 don't want this baby. Yeah, I don't love this baby, I don't 353 00:26:59.630 --> 00:27:06.220 want this baby. Had I known more about postpartum depression, that statement might 354 00:27:06.259 --> 00:27:10.500 have been a tipoff to me. Is there something more than just sin? 355 00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:15.700 Yeah, is there something going on that is chemic cold, which I assume 356 00:27:15.049 --> 00:27:18.690 that it has to do the whole amount of moments right, issues and things 357 00:27:18.730 --> 00:27:22.089 like that. One of the things that comes to mind for me is that 358 00:27:22.210 --> 00:27:26.130 we do often times see, and so I said, I don't know that 359 00:27:26.170 --> 00:27:32.039 I've ever encountered that situation, but I quite possibly didn't just didn't know about 360 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:34.920 it, because oftentimes, but we do see is somebody come to the abortion 361 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.000 center who just had a baby, right they when we see a lot women 362 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.440 come in with a baby carrier, not just a car seat but a baby 363 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:45.589 carrier in the backs, that they they have a newborn in the car and 364 00:27:45.670 --> 00:27:49.750 just got pregnant again. Yeah, and it could be. I mean I 365 00:27:51.069 --> 00:27:55.029 think more than anything else, it's like, well, we don't want to 366 00:27:55.029 --> 00:27:59.420 have another baby right now because financially, your relation or whatever, we don't 367 00:27:59.420 --> 00:28:02.259 want to do this. But it could be that postpartum depression thing. Yep, 368 00:28:02.420 --> 00:28:04.299 there's dealing with that from that last pregnancy. Yeah, being able to 369 00:28:04.339 --> 00:28:07.660 speak to that acknowledge that, I think, could be helpful. or a 370 00:28:07.779 --> 00:28:11.500 flat affect. I've seen that the really flat affect as the women are looking 371 00:28:11.500 --> 00:28:15.609 at their baby on the ultrasound. That's not normal. That is not normal 372 00:28:15.809 --> 00:28:21.410 and it didn't occur to me that that could be another tipoff of is there 373 00:28:21.609 --> 00:28:26.130 some sort of a depression, a postpartum depression, going on? The last 374 00:28:26.289 --> 00:28:30.759 point is just keep pointing her to focus on God, and we added it 375 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.000 some verses at the end of this article to help. But never neglect that 376 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:38.119 just because it's serious, just because it's real. This is a real medical 377 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:44.390 condition that does need to be addressed, but that doesn't mean you neglect. 378 00:28:44.430 --> 00:28:49.230 Yeah, helping them to put their focus on God and right minding them to 379 00:28:49.589 --> 00:28:55.390 really trust him and turn their lives over to him. So I think that's 380 00:28:55.859 --> 00:29:00.380 that's basically what what what we discovered. I you know, we re these 381 00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:06.220 through this, but if anyone has further questions. Of course feel free to 382 00:29:07.099 --> 00:29:11.930 contact us and and do some research on your own. It's I think it's 383 00:29:11.009 --> 00:29:15.490 more important than I had realized the more that I researched it. Yeah, 384 00:29:15.569 --> 00:29:19.009 and I would say it's good to have in your phone. This is what 385 00:29:19.089 --> 00:29:22.410 I do a lot of times with different topics and things like that. I'll 386 00:29:22.450 --> 00:29:26.200 look for articles and then on my phone I'll save in the notes section a 387 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.720 link to that article, and that's something you could actually you could text it 388 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.680 over to somebody if you're I mean to me. I can think in my 389 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.119 scenario, if I'm dealing with a dad on the sidewalk, he says, 390 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.349 well, she's in there because he's dealing with this was part of them depression 391 00:29:38.470 --> 00:29:41.950 and just really doesn't want to have another baby and deal with this again. 392 00:29:42.509 --> 00:29:45.029 A man, can I shoot you of an article just for years to check 393 00:29:45.069 --> 00:29:48.950 out? I'm going to encourage him along those lines. Yeah, I do 394 00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:51.069 think, though, of course. You know I've said we need to be 395 00:29:51.230 --> 00:29:53.539 careful with our tone and we need to be careful with our language. You 396 00:29:53.539 --> 00:29:59.619 don't want to come across as like judge or condemning, but we do need 397 00:29:59.619 --> 00:30:03.819 to be forthright, we do need to set out the reality like you understand 398 00:30:03.859 --> 00:30:06.220 it. You're going to kill your baby if you get through with an abortion. 399 00:30:06.339 --> 00:30:07.970 I don't think we dance around that. I think we tell the truth. 400 00:30:07.970 --> 00:30:12.809 Yeah, we do it graciously, as graciously as possible, but yeah, 401 00:30:12.890 --> 00:30:15.329 for me to take away is just acknowledging that this is a thing, 402 00:30:15.410 --> 00:30:18.130 that this is an issue. So and encourage you guys just to look for 403 00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:22.240 articles that you can have maybe, like I do, save it in your 404 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.079 phone. Yeah, check out this article. Sidewalks for lifecom is where we 405 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.480 put these articles out. Maybe at some point the future will mesh the two 406 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.359 websites, the website for the podcast specifically in the website that we have the 407 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.990 articles on together, but for now you can go find the article sidewalks for 408 00:30:37.109 --> 00:30:41.589 lifecom. That's our training and equipping website as well. So just some sidewalk 409 00:30:41.630 --> 00:30:45.589 training and stuff that are there. Beyond the articles, we have other things, 410 00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:48.470 videos and stuff, and then, of course, the podcast website, 411 00:30:48.950 --> 00:30:53.539 Gospel centered prolifecom to check out our podcasts and be able to search for keywords 412 00:30:53.579 --> 00:30:56.539 and things like that for subjects that we've covered in the past. We do 413 00:30:56.619 --> 00:31:00.940 appreciate you guys listening and if you need to reach out to me, you 414 00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:03.690 can reach me Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You reach her Vicky at 415 00:31:03.769 --> 00:31:07.329 Love Life Dot Org. We'd love to hear from you, but until next 416 00:31:07.329 --> 00:31:18.680 time, God bless God, bless Y'all our love for love. Give me 417 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:32.720 our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's 418 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:34.470 too precious in some you