Ministering to Post-abortive Men and Women

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:06.440I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord,200:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.949I am yours. Welcome to theGospel Center pro life podcast. This300:00:11.070 --> 00:00:13.710episode we're going to speak with afriend of mine, Pastor Brian Audinger,400:00:13.830 --> 00:00:17.829of convergence church, about how toreach post aboard of men and women with500:00:17.989 --> 00:00:29.100the Gospel. Stay tuned, Lord, I felt show passis touch your heart.600:00:34.020 --> 00:00:37.170All right, we welcome to theGospel Center pro life podcast. I700:00:37.250 --> 00:00:40.210appreciate all those who join us today. I have with me a friend of800:00:40.289 --> 00:00:44.130mine, Pastor Brian Ottinger. He'sa pastor of convergence church and he has900:00:44.170 --> 00:00:48.570a real heart to Minister The Gospel, of course, to anybody, anybody1000:00:48.649 --> 00:00:52.920that that's breathing. He's willing toMinister Gospel to him but also to reach1100:00:53.280 --> 00:00:55.880post aboard of men and women.So we're going to talk a little bit1200:00:55.920 --> 00:00:58.439about that. We're going to talka little bit about his testimony. So1300:00:58.600 --> 00:01:00.840introduce yourself and kind of introduce someof your heart, Pastor Brian. Yeah,1400:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.790thanks for having me on the show. Encouraged by you. Yeah,1500:01:06.109 --> 00:01:08.109probably spend the whole hour talking aboutwhat what you guys have been doing.1600:01:08.230 --> 00:01:12.909Man's just grateful for you guys,it is by God's grace, and thank1700:01:14.189 --> 00:01:15.670him for connecting us. And allowme to share a little bit of my1800:01:15.790 --> 00:01:21.819story. I'm forty two years oldnow. I got saved. Excuse me,1900:01:21.900 --> 00:01:23.219I'm forty one years old. Wow, I before you said Yeah,2000:01:23.260 --> 00:01:26.459to use let's you get past forty. It's kind of lose count. So2100:01:26.620 --> 00:01:30.019turning forty two in January, butforty one now. The Lord Save me2200:01:30.060 --> 00:01:37.530when I was thirty two, priorto Christ as savior and Lord of my2300:01:37.609 --> 00:01:42.930life, my sin was and Satanreally was the Lord of my life.2400:01:42.010 --> 00:01:46.650Yeah, I mean just in theform of doing whatever I wanted to do,2500:01:46.890 --> 00:01:49.319with whoever wanted to do it withwhenever I wanted to do it.2600:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.879So I was really good at it, and I don't boast in that,2700:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.560but just to give you a perspective, man, I was. I was2800:01:55.599 --> 00:02:00.079in the world pretty hard and chasing, you know, sex, drugs,2900:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.790entertainment, yeah, and everything thatis involved with those things. And so3000:02:06.349 --> 00:02:08.909the Lord at thirty two and hiskindness, he sent one of my old3100:02:08.949 --> 00:02:13.949friends and he shared the good newsthat that that God is good and His3200:02:14.110 --> 00:02:21.860grace is being poured out on peopleand the form of Jesus Christ, that3300:02:21.979 --> 00:02:24.620I'm a sinner who needed to besaved from my own sin, the condemnation3400:02:24.699 --> 00:02:28.900that I deserve, rightfully, soplace called Hell was reserved for me.3500:02:29.060 --> 00:02:32.569Yeah, if I didn't repent.And in God's kindness, man, Holy3600:02:32.610 --> 00:02:37.530Spirit broke through my heart and heartand I found myself, at thirty two3700:02:37.569 --> 00:02:39.449years old, hitting my knees.Didn't grow up in the church, really3800:02:39.490 --> 00:02:44.210didn't know what to do. Yeah, long backstory to that, but man,3900:02:44.250 --> 00:02:49.240I'm just third story of a townhouse, wasn't in a church service4000:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.120or anything. Holy Spirit got ahold of me and I believed in Jesus4100:02:53.680 --> 00:03:00.270and the next couple weeks and monthswere very interesting. And terms of adding4200:03:00.550 --> 00:03:06.469theology to what that yeah, theLord was kind to send me men to4300:03:06.590 --> 00:03:12.069lead me to disciple me, menwho are passionate about the Gospel, about4400:03:12.069 --> 00:03:17.819the Scriptures, about evangelism, andthey told me that's what Christian life looks4500:03:17.819 --> 00:03:21.580like. Now that you're saved.It's our goal to help go save others.4600:03:21.620 --> 00:03:25.180Yeah, through the power of thespirit. And it was only till4700:03:25.180 --> 00:03:28.530I got involved with some church folks. They told me, hey, you4800:03:28.650 --> 00:03:30.330need to chill out, like that'snot what you're supposed to do a little4900:03:30.330 --> 00:03:34.530bit. Yeah, just real beinga little bit. But Man, by5000:03:34.610 --> 00:03:38.050the Lord's grace, friend of ours, Adam Tenant, we just got done5100:03:38.090 --> 00:03:42.280talking about. Yeah, he toldme, Hey, now that you're a5200:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.039Christian, it's time for stand upfor the things that God cares about,5300:03:45.639 --> 00:03:49.599and he brought me out here tothe trope. Probably been a Christian that5400:03:49.680 --> 00:03:53.319point for six months and there youright out in the yeah, I've always5500:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.270been all in. Right, wheneverI was doing I was all in.5600:03:55.469 --> 00:03:59.310So I was up for it.I didn't know what I was getting myself5700:03:59.349 --> 00:04:01.909into. I never forget the daywe came down here. We were living5800:04:01.909 --> 00:04:04.389in Hunter's bill at the time andit was probably it felt like it was5900:04:04.469 --> 00:04:08.990seventy degrees. I think I hadshorts on. Brought the wife and my6000:04:09.030 --> 00:04:11.099kids. Autam said it's a greatplace to bring your kids, you know.6100:04:11.780 --> 00:04:14.740So I brought the wife. Mywife was probably six months pregnant the6200:04:14.819 --> 00:04:19.139time. Okay, brought her andand the kids out and got down here6300:04:19.259 --> 00:04:24.970and it was like we entered intoa different world. Yeah, I felt6400:04:25.009 --> 00:04:28.290like it was thirty degrees colder.You could just feel the presence of evil6500:04:28.329 --> 00:04:30.810man in a way. Yeah,and not experience that point. And at6600:04:30.850 --> 00:04:33.730that point I was already doing streetevangelism and so on and so forth,6700:04:33.810 --> 00:04:38.680and just a cool you know storiesthat my wife She's from Columbia, South6800:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.160America, okay, and South Carolina, said, yeah, everyone always said6900:04:42.160 --> 00:04:44.839South Carolina. She's from South America. She's beautiful, by the way.7000:04:44.920 --> 00:04:46.560She ever watches or listens to this. I love my wife. Grateful for7100:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.600but the Lord used her in awaythat day, which rock my world because7200:04:49.600 --> 00:04:53.589at that point I was kind ofthe mouthpiece. I was sharing the Gospel7300:04:53.670 --> 00:04:57.069everybody, just in my zeal and, because she spoke Spanish. I think7400:04:57.069 --> 00:04:59.629page said Hey, would you mindgetting on the MIC? It's Adam's wife.7500:04:59.790 --> 00:05:01.149Adam's wife said, hey, wouldyou come in, and they put7600:05:01.149 --> 00:05:03.310my wife on the mic and theyjust were telling her what to say and7700:05:03.389 --> 00:05:08.300she was translating in Spanish to aSpanish family that went in hate. Come7800:05:08.300 --> 00:05:10.980out. There's hope for you.There's yeah, there's there's another option and7900:05:12.300 --> 00:05:17.579man, by God's grace, heused my wife that day to for this8000:05:17.660 --> 00:05:20.529family to choose life. Yeah,that's powerful, and I'm over here looking8100:05:20.569 --> 00:05:28.529like like beaux. That point mywife was very let's say immature, but8200:05:28.649 --> 00:05:30.769she was very reserved. Maybe shewas very rich, she still reserved,8300:05:30.810 --> 00:05:33.689but she was just very young inthe faith and she she wasn't outspoken at8400:05:33.689 --> 00:05:36.199all for the Gospel at that point. So to see the Lord use her8500:05:36.240 --> 00:05:41.800and lay maybe timid. Yeah,it's timid, just I don't know.8600:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.639Yeah, yeah, timid's good word. So, anyways, the Lord Jesus.8700:05:44.720 --> 00:05:48.160Yeah, the Lord used it.I'm I'M A, I'm a blended8800:05:48.240 --> 00:05:50.269we part of a blended family.So what I met my wife, I8900:05:50.670 --> 00:05:55.589had one son and she had toand a few years actually, what she9000:05:55.670 --> 00:06:00.149was pregnant at that point. Andand so I remember when she got pregnant,9100:06:00.670 --> 00:06:03.819you know, I started to realizethe weight of what I had done.9200:06:03.860 --> 00:06:06.980Yeah, in my past I wasa post excume me, I was9300:06:06.980 --> 00:06:10.620a I'm a post to board,a father. But at that point I9400:06:11.500 --> 00:06:16.060started realizing man like it almost feltlike the unforgivable sin. Yeah, to9500:06:16.180 --> 00:06:20.089me was because I realized when Iwas in the world and I wasn't a9600:06:20.089 --> 00:06:25.009Christian, I didn't give two thoughtsabout if it was a life. I9700:06:25.050 --> 00:06:28.930could care less. Yeah, Ididn't even consider the arguments of is it9800:06:29.050 --> 00:06:31.410life, is it a Glob ofcells. All I do is that a9900:06:31.490 --> 00:06:33.720girl got pregnant, came to me, she told me she's pregnant, and10000:06:33.959 --> 00:06:38.319my only response was to go getrid of the problem. Yeah, that10100:06:38.600 --> 00:06:43.160was my mindset, and that happenedat least twice, if not a few10200:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.680more times. Some of it's alittle blurry and foggy. I mean that's10300:06:46.800 --> 00:06:50.470that's how out there I was.But as a Christian who had a pregnant10400:06:50.509 --> 00:06:57.949wife, now, I thought thatGod was going to punish me. MMM,10500:06:59.350 --> 00:07:02.060I thought that I didn't the babywas going to maybe die in the10600:07:02.100 --> 00:07:06.699womb or come out maybe defective.Yes, yeah, sure, probably weird10700:07:06.699 --> 00:07:11.660word for it, but I justfelt like, because of my past sin,10800:07:11.819 --> 00:07:14.540like this was something that God wasgoing to hold against me. Yeah,10900:07:15.220 --> 00:07:17.810and I'm up until the point ofLucas, who's now seven years old,11000:07:17.850 --> 00:07:21.529up until the point of his birth. And so when he came out11100:07:23.769 --> 00:07:27.290the womb, I don't know ifyou've seen kids who are like gasping for11200:07:27.410 --> 00:07:30.720air, their bodies are purple.Yeah, like when he came out the11300:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.920womb and I was I was Ifelt like something's wrong with him. M11400:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.480and at that moment I was like, man, this is just what I11500:07:38.600 --> 00:07:41.600was going to bear. Yeah,and then, and then a few seconds11600:07:41.600 --> 00:07:45.870later, he turned to deep reador pig or whatever, started crying and11700:07:46.310 --> 00:07:48.269doctors like you have a healthy babyboy, and I was like Whoa.11800:07:48.550 --> 00:07:51.389Yeah, you know, but youknow one sense, I mean that mentality11900:07:53.310 --> 00:07:57.350and I want to say it's ait's a fully biblical mentality. But we,12000:07:57.790 --> 00:08:01.939we are all undeserving of the goodgifts that God absolutely, because all12100:08:01.980 --> 00:08:07.899of our past are tainted with sinand rebellion against God. Man, but12200:08:07.060 --> 00:08:09.620part of you, know, Ijust know, part of your heart is12300:08:11.259 --> 00:08:15.889sort of ministering from the way theLord has done a work in your life12400:08:16.129 --> 00:08:20.490and where he's brought you from andminister into other guys and even even ladies12500:08:20.930 --> 00:08:24.610in you know, a pastoral capacity. You get all kinds of stuff that's12600:08:24.689 --> 00:08:28.800throwing your way and you get theseopportunities really bring people from a place of12700:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.879brokenness and a place of just mistrustingGod and mistrust him whatever to a place12800:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.600of healing. Yeah, man,so talk a little bit about sort of12900:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.309the springboard of your past and howthat sort of sprung you into, you13000:08:41.389 --> 00:08:46.789know, bringing people to a placeof healing and reaching people with the Gospel13100:08:46.990 --> 00:08:50.309and with, you know, withGod's ability to heal. Yeah, it's13200:08:50.389 --> 00:08:54.149great question. I'm glad I gotto share some of the earlier stuff because13300:08:54.149 --> 00:08:58.179it really had some contact to yeah, the next part. But I've always13400:08:58.620 --> 00:09:01.980firmly believed, I mean, scripturestrue and God's words infallible, right.13500:09:03.019 --> 00:09:07.019But said Corinthians, one says theGod of All Comfort Comfort you to comfort13600:09:07.059 --> 00:09:11.929others in their suffering. Yeah,and so I remember about about a year13700:09:11.970 --> 00:09:13.169after I got saved. I rememberI was on fire for the Lord the13800:09:13.250 --> 00:09:20.289first year and I remember one dayhit me up started become a little depressed13900:09:20.889 --> 00:09:24.360because I started thinking back to mypast. was rugged. Yeah, I14000:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.559had suicidal thoughts. I was manybroken relationship, heard a lot of people.14100:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.440I was hurt along the way,and so I started in my mind14200:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.559questioning the goodness of God. Yeah, you know, why would a good14300:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.990God allow me to go through thesethings for thirty two years? I mean,14400:09:37.990 --> 00:09:41.230yes, I'm glad I'm saved andhaving a brand new heart and new14500:09:41.269 --> 00:09:45.149eternity and all that stuff great,but man, there's some real pain I14600:09:45.230 --> 00:09:48.549experience. And Yeah, brother ActuallyJustin Edwards for years. Yeah, he14700:09:48.629 --> 00:09:52.470shared Seton Corinthians one with me andit changed my outlook. Is like,14800:09:52.509 --> 00:09:56.580man, God's given me a testimony, and so I started having an understanding14900:09:56.659 --> 00:10:01.860of that. But it wasn't untilweek forty and I've been coming out to15000:10:01.860 --> 00:10:05.539the abortion milling and doing some someministry with cities for life and the tenants15100:10:05.580 --> 00:10:09.129and others. But likely going throughsome pictures some months ago, I think15200:10:09.129 --> 00:10:13.090I sent you the picture, butit's like, I don't remember. It15300:10:13.330 --> 00:10:16.970was back in two thousand and Imean it was probably shortly after you got15400:10:16.049 --> 00:10:18.129saved, maybe the first couple oftimes you've come out. I was like15500:10:18.529 --> 00:10:22.559that's that's passed a yeah, itwas us a lot thunder back then.15600:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.200You're a lot of thanner. Yeah, I was too. Well, I15700:10:24.399 --> 00:10:26.919was a lot more baby faced.I guess it was. You probably had15800:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.600less gray hair. I had lessgray hairs. You had gray hair back15900:10:30.639 --> 00:10:31.960then. To them it was kindof a block where you one of Tho16000:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.710guys who started getting gray hair inhigh school? Yeah, pretty much,16100:10:35.230 --> 00:10:37.789but anyway, yes, so yousay, yeah, yeah, better have16200:10:37.870 --> 00:10:41.669gray hair than though here. Yeah, so, man. Yeah, so16300:10:41.750 --> 00:10:48.070I've been coming out and I understoodand in my theological background, in my16400:10:48.190 --> 00:10:54.659denomination, real heavy emphasis on goodhermoneutics, but good biblical Hermoneutics. Yeah,16500:10:54.700 --> 00:10:58.980we want to understand the context ofscripture. We want to understand that16600:10:58.059 --> 00:11:01.419we're saved by grace alone, throughfaithfulone in Christ alone, for God's glory16700:11:01.419 --> 00:11:07.450alone. We know it through thescripture alone. And I would say well,16800:11:07.490 --> 00:11:11.649well intended, but under emphasis onhealing. Yeah, and deliverance.16900:11:13.250 --> 00:11:16.210And so at week forty, thefirst year they did it, I was17000:11:16.250 --> 00:11:18.799actually step life. Yeah, solove life, Super Skeptical of the ministry17100:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.480in general. Who are these goodlookingguys? And, yeah, and these17200:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.559hipsters and yeah, hipsters, andand these soft colored shirts, even though17300:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.600I think we both have on likesoft colored shirts today. Maybe, maybe17400:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.070not, but it is a strongcolored sure. Isn't what you're talking about?17500:11:33.070 --> 00:11:35.070Yeah, is this? Yeah,I don't know. Blue. I17600:11:35.149 --> 00:11:37.750like T tario. So we're good. There's a baby blue baby shower right17700:11:37.789 --> 00:11:41.230there. But yeah, man,just seeing these guys are being skeptical,17800:11:41.389 --> 00:11:46.179skeptical of their ministry, not primarilybecause of their good looks and they're soft17900:11:46.220 --> 00:11:52.500blue shirts, but because they weren'tpreaching the Gospel explicitly. Yeah, they18000:11:52.539 --> 00:11:58.220were praying and worshiping. I'm like, what's up with that and somebody connected18100:11:58.259 --> 00:12:01.419me with Andre. went out forlunch and I think it was me.18200:12:01.610 --> 00:12:03.490Man, was it you? Wasit feather? You definitely was like the18300:12:03.529 --> 00:12:07.210Holy Spirit just connected you, justgetting active. So so somebody connected me18400:12:07.370 --> 00:12:11.250Andre. Okay, excuse me,Daniel, you connect me with Andre.18500:12:11.090 --> 00:12:15.960And I wasn't, I wasn't notgoing to come out, but I wasn't18600:12:15.960 --> 00:12:18.840like excited about it, for say, because I knew the good work the18700:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.639cities for life was doing, knewthe good work that other ministries were doing.18800:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.840And remember talking Andrea said all y'alldoing is just praying. MM.18900:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.870And he said what do you mean, brother? He said don't you believe19000:12:31.909 --> 00:12:37.110in the power of prayer? Andit hit me. I've been a Christian19100:12:37.149 --> 00:12:41.269this point for five years, maybesix, and when you asked me that19200:12:41.309 --> 00:12:45.580question I realized that I didn't.I didn't believe in the Po of prayer.19300:12:45.620 --> 00:12:48.980Yeah, that if I thought thatthat prayer was some sort of,19400:12:52.740 --> 00:12:54.860you know, unpowerful tool that Godhad given the church, that was something19500:12:56.059 --> 00:12:58.500or for me was I we coulddo that in a prayer closet. So19600:12:58.570 --> 00:13:00.330we're going to go out. Thatabout the thing. I was like,19700:13:00.330 --> 00:13:01.090we're going to go out there.We need to preach the Gospel. That's19800:13:01.090 --> 00:13:05.889the way of salvation, like andjust really undermining the work of the spirit19900:13:05.970 --> 00:13:09.529through prayer. And so that challengedme and so I came out on week20000:13:09.570 --> 00:13:13.320forty, brought a couple guys fromour church and brought a few of my20100:13:13.440 --> 00:13:18.399sons. I five boys and myoldest son during week forty. Either you20200:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.960know, this great experience or praising, worshiping. You're they're talking about words20300:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.720of healing and deliverance. Some oldestson looked at me that day and he20400:13:26.799 --> 00:13:30.669said that have you ever had anabortion? Now, I don't remember if20500:13:30.669 --> 00:13:33.309we ever had the conversation before,but I've never been as clear as it20600:13:33.470 --> 00:13:37.230was that day that I looked athim with tears of my eyes and told20700:13:37.269 --> 00:13:41.110him yes, I had, andI'm start crying and he started crying with20800:13:41.230 --> 00:13:43.500me. Yeah, and next thingI know he's hugging me, my oldest20900:13:43.539 --> 00:13:46.779son. I start thinking about,you know, my children in heaven that21000:13:46.860 --> 00:13:50.100I, you know, sent tothe slaughter yeah, and man, I21100:13:50.259 --> 00:13:54.539just broke down and started crying andso crying with him. Other son comes21200:13:54.580 --> 00:13:58.409over, we start crying. Duesfrom the church come over and I don't21300:13:58.409 --> 00:14:01.769even know if they knew why.They start crying with us weep and yeah,21400:14:01.809 --> 00:14:05.889man, and so the Lord reallythat day, I believe he initiated21500:14:05.970 --> 00:14:13.120a major movement of healing in mylife. And soon after, you know,21600:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.799meet with Andrea and Justin, whoare now good friends of mine and21700:14:15.960 --> 00:14:18.799yours as well. I told themmy story about how the Lord healed me21800:14:18.919 --> 00:14:24.470and just uniquely, I don't thinkthere's probably a lot of pastors who have21900:14:24.549 --> 00:14:28.549that testimony. Yeah, and youknow, what we can look at is22000:14:28.669 --> 00:14:33.750a painful, you know, postChristian life the Lord will use to glorify22100:14:33.830 --> 00:14:37.110himself and help bring healing to others. And so they were really adamant about22200:14:37.110 --> 00:14:41.500me sharing that story and they andI was really adamant to share that story22300:14:41.500 --> 00:14:45.259as well. I've never been quickto turn out opportunity to declare the glory22400:14:45.299 --> 00:14:48.019of God. Yeah, and soI think the next year at love life,22500:14:48.019 --> 00:14:52.049I begin sharing that testimony on Saturdaymornings and I got to go into22600:14:52.090 --> 00:14:56.370some churches and talk about it andthen really just begin to personally heal.22700:14:56.730 --> 00:15:00.370And then to realize, man,as I looked at the landscape of,22800:15:01.570 --> 00:15:03.250you know, my wife and otherChristians, that there was a lot of22900:15:03.330 --> 00:15:09.159Christians who had had abortions. Yeah, and so you know, we're a23000:15:09.279 --> 00:15:11.799messed up bunch man, apart fromthe grace of God, you know,23100:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.399we're kind of like, you know, with David in the in the men23200:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.840who come to stand with David whenhe was running away from saw, it23300:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.309says they were basically that the indebted, the the rejects of society. That's23400:15:24.389 --> 00:15:30.070that's the Church of Jesus Christ.Now, yeah, we're rejects of society,23500:15:30.190 --> 00:15:31.950but we're embraced by by the Lordand we're changed by the power of23600:15:33.029 --> 00:15:35.779a spirit. And those men becamewhat David's mighty men. Ye, right,23700:15:35.899 --> 00:15:39.019yeah, and that cool. Well, the Lord David Himself, I23800:15:39.100 --> 00:15:41.419mean, yeah, he's like aman after God's own heart and he was23900:15:41.460 --> 00:15:45.700a adulters murder like you missed us, so h so, yeah, man,24000:15:45.779 --> 00:15:48.659that the Bible is quite I wantto touch him one point you just24100:15:48.700 --> 00:15:50.490came to mind, which I thinkis pretty cool and it's maybe a rabbit24200:15:50.529 --> 00:15:54.490trail, but I think this willhelp others. When you said your son24300:15:54.210 --> 00:15:56.690just turned to you and howld you, how would your sign that time?24400:15:56.889 --> 00:16:00.929That point he was probably thirteen orfourteen yeah, so I remember. Do24500:16:00.970 --> 00:16:03.649you remember how long love life's beenin existence? So it was two thousand24600:16:03.690 --> 00:16:04.720and sixteen, I think, wasour first prayer walk. Okay, so24700:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.600he was was that three years ago? He's sixteen, Thirteen. Yeah,24800:16:10.159 --> 00:16:14.360so I'm thinking how would this youngman know the turn to his dad and24900:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.039ask him that question. Dad,if you ever had an abortion? Obviously25000:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.029the implications. You ever taken someoneto have an abortion or paid for an25100:16:19.070 --> 00:16:23.029abortion? And I think it's thisis important for us as dad's that,25200:16:23.230 --> 00:16:27.029you know, we don't have toshare every golry gruesome detail of our lives25300:16:27.070 --> 00:16:30.710and our past, but we needto be sharing on a regular basis with25400:16:30.830 --> 00:16:33.340our kids a testimony what we were. Yeah, and I'll bet you you25500:16:33.820 --> 00:16:37.299cheered with him kind of what youwere, where you came from, and25600:16:37.340 --> 00:16:38.259it was sort of to him aslike well, my dad's done this,25700:16:38.460 --> 00:16:41.179he's done that. Yeah, butI bet this might be in his past25800:16:41.299 --> 00:16:45.259to that kind of how that howthat played out? Well, you know,25900:16:45.500 --> 00:16:48.409so thirty two years of of andI'm but I wasn't just like a26000:16:51.090 --> 00:16:53.289kind of halfway center, like Iwas full on, like we're all full26100:16:53.409 --> 00:16:56.529on. But I know what youmean. But everyone that knew me knew26200:16:56.529 --> 00:16:59.129what I was about. I wasabout drinking, drugging, you know,26300:16:59.850 --> 00:17:02.159pouring around part whatever it was,man, that's what I was about.26400:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.039Yeah, and so because I hadthirty two years of that, it's I've26500:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.079only been living less than ten yearsunder the blood of Christ. Yeah,26600:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.359and so I can't forget my testimony. Yeah, like, whether it's through,26700:17:12.960 --> 00:17:17.349you know, seeing things or hearingthings or smelling things, like,26800:17:17.470 --> 00:17:19.829I'm reminded constantly of who I usedto be. Yeah, and and so,26900:17:21.269 --> 00:17:23.869by the grace of God, whenSatan reminds me who I used to27000:17:23.869 --> 00:17:26.789be, I remind him of whoI am now, and he reminds me27100:17:26.829 --> 00:17:30.220of my past, I remind himof my future a man. And so,27200:17:30.140 --> 00:17:33.660yeah, we've never skirted away fromfrom sharing with our kids, and27300:17:33.740 --> 00:17:37.859even as a Christian now, whowho? Maybe I'm not like doing a27400:17:37.980 --> 00:17:41.900cocaine and sewing and so forth,but man, I still mess up around27500:17:41.900 --> 00:17:45.490my kids. Yeah, and there'sTimes where dad gets angry, or there's27600:17:45.529 --> 00:17:52.970Times where dad maybe was passive,or there was times where dad has chose27700:17:52.210 --> 00:17:56.730himself over his children. Yeah,and so I use those opportunities to go27800:17:56.730 --> 00:17:57.839to my kids and say I'm sorry. Yeah, this, I didn't.27900:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.480I didn't. I wasn't being Christlike. Yeah, and so, yeah,28000:18:00.519 --> 00:18:07.160we don't hesitate to ask for forgivenessand to share our sinfulness, because28100:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.359it only leads us to basking theglory of God even so much more so.28200:18:11.519 --> 00:18:15.549Another rabbit trail on how long yougot on this podcast, but thirty28300:18:15.589 --> 00:18:21.230four. Yeah, yes, totwo nights ago my two youngest came to28400:18:21.309 --> 00:18:26.349my room and they were arguing aboutsomething. And there's five years old and28500:18:26.390 --> 00:18:30.059seven years old, Moses and Lucas, and I've got a Moses. I28600:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.220got a Moses Bro Yeah, yeah, we'll see how he lives out that28700:18:33.259 --> 00:18:37.539name. said. Doesn't have thestaff yet, but he's working on it.28800:18:37.660 --> 00:18:41.049So but men that they got tocome in my room and I forget28900:18:41.049 --> 00:18:45.890what happened specifically, but there wassome sins, some tension between those two.29000:18:45.529 --> 00:18:48.769I just said Hey, come sitdown beside me and I walked him29100:18:48.809 --> 00:18:49.690through what it meant to be aman and what it meant to be a29200:18:49.730 --> 00:18:53.049leader. I pointed back to Adamand said if Adam would have been doing29300:18:53.130 --> 00:18:56.359his job and leading as a manlike we wouldn't even had this in the29400:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.240first place. Yeah, like Adamdrop the ball, and that's why eve29500:19:00.279 --> 00:19:07.440ate of the fruit, and andso through that I'm trying to remember why29600:19:07.440 --> 00:19:10.910I got rabbit trailed. Well,you're talking about but ring board. Yeah,29700:19:11.230 --> 00:19:12.430and so then I got to tellthem back, you know, because29800:19:12.430 --> 00:19:15.349we just got off week forty lastweekend, and I got to share with29900:19:15.470 --> 00:19:18.390them. I said, listen,if it wasn't for the grace of God,30000:19:18.470 --> 00:19:21.430we're all sinners, but if itwasn't for the grace of God that30100:19:21.509 --> 00:19:25.619genesis is three fifteen. Promise youtwo wouldn't be here. Yeah, like30200:19:25.779 --> 00:19:29.579Moma and I wouldn't even be together. And so I don't want them to30300:19:30.059 --> 00:19:32.700wallow in their sin, but tosay, Hey, because of God we30400:19:32.859 --> 00:19:36.339are, yeah, because of Godwe can and because of God we will.30500:19:36.339 --> 00:19:38.690Yeah. And so yes, wesometimes we need to meditate on our30600:19:38.690 --> 00:19:42.410sinfulness and not just think we're God'sgift to the world, we've done nothing30700:19:42.490 --> 00:19:45.250wrong, that we don't deserve thisgrace. But he's given it his grace30800:19:45.329 --> 00:19:48.970and he's given us and empowered usto live and empowered life now and then30900:19:48.970 --> 00:19:55.440for the future. And because ofGod's grace I now have Moses and Lucas.31000:19:55.480 --> 00:19:57.599Yeah, yeah, and they've they'reseeing a mother and father who love31100:19:57.720 --> 00:20:03.920each other IM perfectly, who messup as parents frequently but quick to say31200:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.150hey, I'm wrong, we youforgive me and God's graces sufficient. So,31300:20:07.230 --> 00:20:10.670yeah, yeah, and so youknow, you just in the realm31400:20:10.710 --> 00:20:15.710of ministry as a pastor and thensort of the Lord using your past,31500:20:15.910 --> 00:20:18.869you know, minister your kids,also to minister to others and ministering in31600:20:18.950 --> 00:20:22.339particular to post aboard of father.Yeah, men share some of those stories31700:20:22.460 --> 00:20:26.220or share some of your heart asfar as minister and the post aboard of31800:20:26.299 --> 00:20:30.180men. Because, you know,people think that it's just women that are31900:20:30.180 --> 00:20:33.500affected by abortion, it's just womenin the church that have had abortions,32000:20:33.819 --> 00:20:37.089which, you know, the statisticsare one third of all women in United32100:20:37.130 --> 00:20:40.730States of America have had an abortion. Probably even higher within the church.32200:20:40.809 --> 00:20:44.089I don't know exactly, but atleast one third of the women that you're32300:20:44.130 --> 00:20:45.769preaching to, yeah, have beenaffected by abortion. Yeah, but we32400:20:45.890 --> 00:20:51.200often do affect forget about the men. They're affected by abortion. That's thing32500:20:51.519 --> 00:20:55.119is like. You know, it'slike a snake, slither's where ever you32600:20:55.200 --> 00:20:57.400can go and just devours whatever itcan. You know, to talk about32700:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.400the ministry to post able to fathers. Yeah, man, I mean it's32800:21:00.440 --> 00:21:07.750messy. It's messy because if you'replowing a field, you know, when32900:21:07.750 --> 00:21:10.470you start plowing the field, andI'm not a farmer at all. I33000:21:10.630 --> 00:21:12.589don't know if you are, I'mnot, but tried, I've been if33100:21:12.630 --> 00:21:15.710dad when I tried to cultivate it, and because it's hard. It's hard33200:21:15.750 --> 00:21:18.549work, right, hard work.Yeah, and got to stick with it.33300:21:18.579 --> 00:21:27.339So the women, they're usually it'susually it's not hard to maybe get33400:21:27.380 --> 00:21:30.460them to tap back into that momentbecause they were in the room. Yeah,33500:21:30.660 --> 00:21:34.170they physically had things done to themand the men was absent from that.33600:21:34.369 --> 00:21:38.250Yeah, and I think just inour society in general, the way33700:21:38.329 --> 00:21:41.970God's design the family is that theman is supposed to lead. In our33800:21:41.089 --> 00:21:45.049society says, Hey, who,do whatever you want to do. Yeah,33900:21:45.410 --> 00:21:48.240women can lead and men. Justsaw a picture yesterday of a woman34000:21:49.200 --> 00:21:52.359proposing to a man and she wason one knee and he stand there getting34100:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.000the ring, and I that's aand so we live in a society that34200:21:56.480 --> 00:22:00.470that calls meat vegetables and cause vegetablesmeat and women can be men if they34300:22:00.509 --> 00:22:03.509want to. And identifies whatever theywant, down and down as up.34400:22:03.549 --> 00:22:07.990It's just so yeah, it's soscattered. And so when you start getting34500:22:07.990 --> 00:22:11.269back to the biblical rolls of menand women, we have to we have34600:22:11.349 --> 00:22:14.789to drudge through all that. Wegot to plow those fields and say we34700:22:15.069 --> 00:22:18.019don't care what culture says. Right, because cultures say man, be strong,34800:22:18.539 --> 00:22:22.460pull, pull yourself up by thebootstraps and move on and not deal34900:22:22.579 --> 00:22:25.539with, yeah, the pain ofyour heart. And so, going back35000:22:25.579 --> 00:22:27.619to your question is, what hasit been like? Well, I've ministered35100:22:27.700 --> 00:22:33.130to several men and some of thesemen have abortions from thirty years ago.35200:22:33.250 --> 00:22:36.690Yeah, and so the hard partis to get them to go back,35300:22:36.730 --> 00:22:42.690yeah, right, to get themto go back and and and see the35400:22:42.849 --> 00:22:52.240reality of that moment and the realityof their failed responsibility. They're failed action35500:22:53.359 --> 00:22:57.630or even there, whether it's theircomplacency or they're pushing the woman to do35600:22:57.710 --> 00:23:02.150it. Yeah, and then dealingwith it at that moment, because you35700:23:02.190 --> 00:23:04.190can't deal with you can't move ontill you've done with the past. You35800:23:04.269 --> 00:23:07.549want to live in the past,but you got to deal with that moment.35900:23:07.670 --> 00:23:11.390Yeah, and so the hard partfor for you know, post aboard36000:23:11.430 --> 00:23:14.339of fathers that we've been taught allour life is that we need to be36100:23:14.420 --> 00:23:18.299tough and just keep moving on.And so this thing extends past abortion.36200:23:18.339 --> 00:23:21.380I know that's the purpose of this, but but men in general have been36300:23:21.380 --> 00:23:26.180abused sexually, physically mentally at earlyages. Yeah, and we just been36400:23:26.220 --> 00:23:27.529taught, Hey, we got tokeep it moving. But until we go36500:23:27.730 --> 00:23:32.450back to those moments and see ourfailure and action, whether it's, you36600:23:32.529 --> 00:23:37.170know again for against apathy or pushing, until we get back to that moment,36700:23:37.210 --> 00:23:40.089we're not going to we're not goingto move on. So that's the36800:23:40.170 --> 00:23:42.160hard part. Yeah, for menbecause, like again we just been talking.36900:23:42.359 --> 00:23:45.240Do you find that? Because youknow, just in my experience at37000:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.200the abortion clanking up, talk tomen and you've been there and you've talked37100:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.400to man. We've probably even ministeredtogether some men at the abortion clinic.37200:23:52.440 --> 00:23:56.630There you find a lot of apathy, but you also find a lot of37300:23:56.670 --> 00:23:59.470brokenness even within the men. Imean some of them are coercing her to37400:23:59.549 --> 00:24:03.029having a passionate but but the majorityof men that I've talked to have taken37500:24:03.029 --> 00:24:06.349the attitude of well, if itwas up to me, she wouldn't have37600:24:06.390 --> 00:24:07.710the abortion, but it's her body, her choice, and of course the37700:24:07.750 --> 00:24:11.819implication was that her body, herchoice, her fault, her problem,37800:24:11.940 --> 00:24:15.140she bears the weight of it.Yeah, but they're still feeling some guilt37900:24:15.180 --> 00:24:18.859there. But do you find thatthat maybe they some men, in order38000:24:18.859 --> 00:24:22.059to make themselves feel less guilty orfeel sort of like they weren't a part38100:24:22.059 --> 00:24:25.809of it, do sort of pushthat off on the woman, like,38200:24:25.930 --> 00:24:27.210you know, I didn't really wanther to do it, but she did38300:24:27.289 --> 00:24:30.809it, and so they're trying toshirk the guilt that they actually feel,38400:24:30.930 --> 00:24:33.410yeah, by blaming it on her. Do you find that to be the38500:24:33.490 --> 00:24:37.049case's go back to scripture. Right, Huh, kind of. What is38600:24:37.089 --> 00:24:41.119that? Amy And hey, thisis the woman you gave me. Yeah,38700:24:41.279 --> 00:24:42.799it's like no, dude, youhad a responsibility. Yeah, and38800:24:44.000 --> 00:24:48.519so, whether it's abortion or whatever, since we're dealing with it's the man's38900:24:48.559 --> 00:24:52.829responsibility, right, doesn't it doesn'tusurp that or negate that the woman has39000:24:52.869 --> 00:24:56.829a responsibility as well, or thechildren. Absolute the man's been called to39100:24:56.869 --> 00:25:00.470lead. Yeah, and so I'vebeen out there on the sidewalks and it39200:25:00.789 --> 00:25:06.630sounds harsh to say hey, hey, brother or hey fella, yeah,39300:25:06.750 --> 00:25:08.700like if you don't go stand up, you're being a coward. Yeah,39400:25:10.140 --> 00:25:12.619and man, that sounds harsh,but it's true. It is, it's39500:25:12.700 --> 00:25:19.819true, and the reality is asthe as the abortive father. Years ago,39600:25:21.809 --> 00:25:23.490I was being a coward, likeI was. I had to deal39700:25:23.569 --> 00:25:29.809with my cowardlessness. I want.I preferred comfort over responsibility. My responsibility39800:25:29.890 --> 00:25:33.089to myself was having fun. Yeah, and this is just an accident that39900:25:33.170 --> 00:25:37.119happened and a problem. You gota problem I got to take care of.40000:25:37.200 --> 00:25:40.039It's going to get in the wayof, you know, her life40100:25:40.039 --> 00:25:41.480or my life, because I don'tplan on being with her anyways. Yeah,40200:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.880yeah, just, yeah, man, in general, man, we40300:25:47.759 --> 00:25:52.390we like to blame shift and peoplewho don't have the Holy Spirit. You40400:25:52.470 --> 00:25:56.109can't fault them for that because theydon't know any better. In a sense,40500:25:56.109 --> 00:26:00.190I mean the stull the responsibility totake responsibility, but it's just the40600:26:00.269 --> 00:26:03.630it's the default, yeah, forour society, is to blame others.40700:26:03.829 --> 00:26:04.779Yeah, you know, we don'tlike the way society goes. Blame the40800:26:04.819 --> 00:26:10.539president. Yeah, we don't likethe way the sandwich tasted. Blame who,40900:26:10.700 --> 00:26:12.539like you, probably blame the cheffor that. But but you know,41000:26:12.619 --> 00:26:15.500I'm saying, like we lame themayonnaise company. Yeah, we can41100:26:15.539 --> 00:26:17.539blame everybody. Yeah, it's likeyou don't want to cook it, Bro41200:26:17.740 --> 00:26:22.650Yeah, yeah, yeah, justso, how don't you go away?41300:26:22.809 --> 00:26:25.529Yeah, well, and less.Yeah, unless the Holy Spirit comes in41400:26:25.650 --> 00:26:26.450and does his work, which issort of that. You know, that41500:26:26.690 --> 00:26:30.609is the focus of this podcast.You're talking about pro life stuff and talk41600:26:30.650 --> 00:26:32.880about, you know, abortion,but it is always in light of the41700:26:32.960 --> 00:26:37.519Gospel and what God has done,obviously in our hearts, what God has41800:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.359done in your heart. We ministerout of that. You know, I41900:26:40.440 --> 00:26:44.160have a story. I've shared itin a previous podcast, my my past42000:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.869and how the Lord took me froma father at seventeen years old. My42100:26:47.990 --> 00:26:51.069wife got pretty if you know,my wife was pregnant in high school,42200:26:51.269 --> 00:26:55.230sixteen, I was seventeen. Ourbaby was born when I turned eighteen and42300:26:56.910 --> 00:26:59.150then, you know, we havea twenty one year old daughter now and42400:26:59.349 --> 00:27:02.740God has really done a work inour lives through that. That's actually what42500:27:02.859 --> 00:27:06.500the Lord used to bring me tohimself, is that unwanted pregnancy situation.42600:27:07.180 --> 00:27:08.460So I minister out of that.I minister out of what the Lord has42700:27:08.500 --> 00:27:11.619done in my heart. You know, freely you have received, so freely42800:27:11.700 --> 00:27:15.460give, Jesus said, and youmen are shadow that same thing. So42900:27:15.660 --> 00:27:18.890talked then, if you can,about the healing you. So you talked43000:27:18.930 --> 00:27:21.569a little bit about it. LoveLife, yeah, and how the Lord,43100:27:21.849 --> 00:27:25.769I guess, confronted you in thatsin but also brought you know,43200:27:26.049 --> 00:27:29.130a brokenness. You know, wedon't we don't begin with God until we43300:27:29.170 --> 00:27:30.400end up with ourselves. Right,we got to be done with ourselves and43400:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.680even in our Christian lives. Sowe've got to lay it down right,43500:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.559we've got to lay down and wego from glory to glory by laying stuff43600:27:37.599 --> 00:27:41.440down good and and it seems likethat week forty and two thousand and sixteen43700:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.589when the Lord did that for you. As far as the abortions in the43800:27:45.630 --> 00:27:48.430past, yeah, so talk abouthow the Lord has brought you from that43900:27:48.549 --> 00:27:51.430point of brokenness to healing. Andthen, you know, you've already talked44000:27:51.430 --> 00:27:53.269a little bit about ministering to others. Maybe you share a story of a44100:27:53.309 --> 00:28:02.380guy that you've ministered to, ifyou can. Yeah. Well, so44200:28:02.819 --> 00:28:06.859I've been a pastor church planter forthree years and probably my favorite thing that44300:28:06.900 --> 00:28:08.380I've learned that I quote myself onis you don't know what you don't know.44400:28:08.660 --> 00:28:12.289Yeah, so I think I mighthave got that from you, because44500:28:12.289 --> 00:28:15.329I say I say that a lot. I mean I'm sure about the first44600:28:15.329 --> 00:28:17.609guy to ever said but if Iwas writing a book, that might be44700:28:17.650 --> 00:28:22.690the title. And what that doesit allows you some freedom from you know,44800:28:22.769 --> 00:28:27.279the Lord's sanctifying us. Right.So sometimes we you know, like44900:28:27.359 --> 00:28:32.200that week forty moment happened. Yeah, instead of feeling condemnation, I felt45000:28:32.240 --> 00:28:36.240release. Yeah, but, but, but sometimes in the Christian walk,45100:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.240when we realize the weight of oursin or something, sometimes it can cause45200:28:40.279 --> 00:28:42.829us to look back and even drudgeor put our heads down. And so45300:28:42.990 --> 00:28:47.470God's not in the business of havingUS walk through life with our heads down.45400:28:47.509 --> 00:28:49.589He wants us to look up andsee him and push on. Fhlippings,45500:28:49.589 --> 00:28:53.109three hundred and thirteen fourteen, theupward call. Yeah, not looking45600:28:53.150 --> 00:29:00.019back, but looking forward. Andso again, the first five six years45700:29:00.059 --> 00:29:06.660of being a Christian we just didn'thear about healing another's it's kind of implied,45800:29:06.779 --> 00:29:08.019right, when you need to theGospels, and I mean the way45900:29:08.019 --> 00:29:11.609the Holy Spirit works, you're goingto you're going to receive healing. Yeah,46000:29:11.769 --> 00:29:12.970but for someone to shine a lightand say, man, brother,46100:29:14.089 --> 00:29:18.410you need to be healed. LikeI just hadn't heard that kind of language46200:29:18.410 --> 00:29:21.089until week forty and it happened andI don't even it was the Holy Spirit.46300:29:21.170 --> 00:29:23.559Yeah, the clearly was was doingthe healing. But so for me46400:29:23.720 --> 00:29:30.599even lately, it's just being aroundyou know, my you know my pentecostal46500:29:30.680 --> 00:29:37.519brothers, and and it just beingaround different denominations where people are focused on,46600:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.789Hey, let's let's tend to thewounds of your heart. Our Church46700:29:40.910 --> 00:29:45.269plant is where, in the adoptionprocess of a church planning network, really46800:29:45.390 --> 00:29:48.309not network of family, of churchis called Soma, okay, and some46900:29:48.509 --> 00:29:52.859of the Greek word for body.And there they've been really instructive about getting47000:29:52.859 --> 00:29:56.539on the front end of soul care. Yeah, and ways I've never really47100:29:56.660 --> 00:30:00.660heard and comprehensive ways, which hasbeen so refreshing to me, because as47200:30:00.700 --> 00:30:04.019ministers of the Gospel, we allare going to struggle, yeah, as47300:30:04.099 --> 00:30:07.210fathers were all going to every Christianis going to struggle. Yeah, as47400:30:07.250 --> 00:30:11.210we battle our sin, and sosome moons are going to come up.47500:30:11.210 --> 00:30:15.890So if we don't have our identityrooted in Christ, if we're not trusting47600:30:15.930 --> 00:30:19.049and depending on the spirit of Godand realizing that we've been adopted into a47700:30:19.089 --> 00:30:22.240family that we can't get out of. And so God loves us and he47800:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.440cares for us and he wants usto to be healed. If we don't47900:30:26.640 --> 00:30:33.000walk in that kind of light,then we're never going to progress or to48000:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.150be sanctified in the ways Romans Twentyeight says. We're being conformed to the48100:30:37.190 --> 00:30:41.230image of Christ. The body ofChrist has a lot of things need to48200:30:41.309 --> 00:30:44.269be healed of. Yeah, andso when God shine that light on me,48300:30:44.309 --> 00:30:48.029and he's been shining this light ofhealing, I've just been exposing it48400:30:48.069 --> 00:30:52.140from the pulpit. Okay, whenI meet with brothers, it's not hey48500:30:52.220 --> 00:30:56.539man, did you get the rightcontext for every scripture? Say Hey man,48600:30:56.619 --> 00:31:00.059how is what is God trying todo here? What do you sense48700:31:00.099 --> 00:31:02.859in the spirit moving is? Isthere is an are your life that's not48800:31:02.940 --> 00:31:04.490been submitted to Lordship of Christ?Is there an area of your life that48900:31:04.529 --> 00:31:08.210the Holy Spirit is is revealing thatneeds to be needs to be healed,49000:31:08.210 --> 00:31:11.369or is there something in your lifethat you need to be delivered from?49100:31:11.410 --> 00:31:14.730Yeah, so just new language andI'm still learning. Man. So I49200:31:15.089 --> 00:31:18.400mean later in our brothers like youand other brothers to help me through this.49300:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.920But specific stories, man, Imean, you know, there's so49400:31:23.000 --> 00:31:30.519many and I'm not sure like confidentiality. I mean I'm one of those real49500:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.150transparent guys, don't give any names, like, but that like I don't49600:31:33.150 --> 00:31:38.430even know how to not be transparent. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,49700:31:38.430 --> 00:31:47.900another brother. Just talking to aboutI'm trying to love and forgive. I49800:31:47.940 --> 00:31:49.539guess I'd be okay if my momheard this, but I've I've had an49900:31:49.579 --> 00:31:52.660a strange relationship with my mother.Yeah, and it's one that I'm,50000:31:53.180 --> 00:31:56.980you know, actively praying and andseeking. How do we how do we50100:31:57.059 --> 00:32:00.529reconcile? I don't think she knowsthe Lord yet and there's there's some areas50200:32:00.569 --> 00:32:04.849of betterment her heart. But whatI realized one day was that, man,50300:32:04.890 --> 00:32:07.730I've been really bitter towards her.Yeah, you know, I can50400:32:07.730 --> 00:32:10.369label, mislabel it really all kindsof other things and Oh, I've tried50500:32:10.490 --> 00:32:14.130and I've kicked your dust off andmove it and all that, but it's50600:32:14.170 --> 00:32:15.119like, at the end of theday, it's like there's a part of50700:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.480my heart that it needs to behealed and needs to love her. I'm50800:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.599yeah, unconditionally. And so thisis not necessarily on the issue of abortion,50900:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.440but I was just sharing that withanother brother and he confessed to me.51000:32:28.519 --> 00:32:32.230Man, he had a stepmom.They got introduced from at five years51100:32:32.230 --> 00:32:37.910old and and about eight years oldhe started hating her, yeah, and51200:32:37.430 --> 00:32:42.950his brothers in his s now,and just through that conversation of seeking the51300:32:43.069 --> 00:32:45.500deeper areas of our heart, Ithink you know, he reached out to51400:32:45.539 --> 00:32:50.660her and he sought to make amendsand just to love her unconditionally. Yeah,51500:32:50.740 --> 00:32:52.819with no agenda. And so that'sone story. I mean, I've51600:32:52.819 --> 00:32:55.299got countless stories my own home,but I just want to protect my over51700:32:55.380 --> 00:32:58.890yet and no, wife's like youalways talked about us from the pulpit.51800:32:58.930 --> 00:33:04.250I tried only like use great stories. Yeah, and then I've got tons51900:33:04.250 --> 00:33:07.450of personal stories, but but yeah, man, it's just well God does52000:33:07.529 --> 00:33:09.730to you, he'll do through you, and so it's hard for it's hard52100:33:09.769 --> 00:33:15.519for you to go and talk abouthealing if you haven't been healed. Yeah,52200:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.640it's hard for you to forgive othersif, if you excuse me,52300:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.880it's hard for you to talk aboutforgiving others if you haven't personally forget.52400:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.390Yeah, yeah, yeah, Iknow there's a first John. First John's52500:33:27.390 --> 00:33:30.069like one of my favorite books ofthe Bible. Tough one, it's tough.52600:33:30.150 --> 00:33:31.829But well, that's weird. That'sone of your favorites, it's one52700:33:31.869 --> 00:33:35.869of my favor so what are yourso holy? Yeah, exactly. That's52800:33:35.950 --> 00:33:38.349right. But the first part ofthat actually memorize this first couple of verses52900:33:38.390 --> 00:33:40.940and it talks about walking in theLICES is. This is the message which53000:33:40.980 --> 00:33:44.859we had heard from him, talkingabout Jesus, and we declare to you53100:33:44.940 --> 00:33:47.819that God is light and in himis no darkness at all. If we53200:33:47.940 --> 00:33:52.019say we have fellowship with him andwalk in darkness, we lie and do53300:33:52.140 --> 00:33:54.420not practice the truth. But ifwe walk in the light, as he53400:33:54.539 --> 00:33:58.009is in the light, we havefellowship with one another. In the blood53500:33:58.009 --> 00:34:00.450of Jesus, Christis son, cleansesus from all sin. And the Lord,53600:34:00.609 --> 00:34:02.849you know, really showed me becauseI was just praying, because he53700:34:02.930 --> 00:34:06.529actually goes on to say that thosethat have the seat of God in them53800:34:06.569 --> 00:34:10.559they do not sin. But healso says that when you send so obviously53900:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.079he's not saying that we never sin. Yeah, and so I was sort54000:34:15.079 --> 00:34:16.079of meditating on that. Walking inthe light. What does that mean?54100:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.079Walking His light? Is God talkingabout sinless perfection, like we need to54200:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.159walk in sinless perfection? It's like, no, he's not talking about that.54300:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.989Talking to walking in the light isactually holding your failings, in your54400:34:28.030 --> 00:34:30.510sin before God and saying Yes,God, this was wrong and confessing it,54500:34:31.269 --> 00:34:35.869bringing it into the light. It'snot sinless perfection. It's being honest54600:34:36.309 --> 00:34:38.219with where you've gone, where youwhat you've done and bringing it to the54700:34:38.300 --> 00:34:43.219light. And even says in thatscripture is it's curious there that says that54800:34:43.420 --> 00:34:45.380if we walk in the light,we have fellowship with one another. Yeah,54900:34:45.619 --> 00:34:49.619so our fellowship often times, andyou've probably experienced this, to you55000:34:49.739 --> 00:34:52.380that when somebody's holding on to asin, yeah, when they're holding on55100:34:52.500 --> 00:34:54.969to something in their past or they'reholding on maybe justifying an attitude that they55200:34:55.050 --> 00:34:59.610have, unforgiveness or whatever. Yeah, it actually even B breaks fellowship with55300:34:59.849 --> 00:35:02.130other brothers. MMM, because there'sa sort of a mistrust thing that goes55400:35:02.170 --> 00:35:06.050on. Like the reason why peopledon't bring stuff to the light is because55500:35:06.050 --> 00:35:08.239they don't trust other people to notdo the same thing that was done to55600:35:08.360 --> 00:35:12.840them. And it can break fellowship, it can mess things up and even55700:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.159though a church, you know.Yeah, so just speaking on that a55800:35:15.199 --> 00:35:16.320little bit, and that's good.I'm at to get you can preach our55900:35:16.320 --> 00:35:21.989church on that some time, butyou can't do that apart from relationships.56000:35:22.030 --> 00:35:23.989Yeah, and so that's why westarted our church. I'm not trying to56100:35:23.989 --> 00:35:27.269plug our church, but that's probablyyeah, man, that's why we start56200:35:27.269 --> 00:35:30.389urgents. Yeah, because there's convertedchurch, converted church in CCOM all right,56300:35:31.309 --> 00:35:36.099but down the on the note.Yeah, I mean. Yeah.56400:35:36.219 --> 00:35:38.179So, yeah, men, thinkabout what I need to tell about the56500:35:38.219 --> 00:35:42.420church. No, man, that'swhy we started the church the way we56600:35:42.500 --> 00:35:45.539did, and we do these,we call him great commission groups, because56700:35:45.539 --> 00:35:47.179the great commissions to make disciples.It's not just an evangelist that called.56800:35:47.300 --> 00:35:51.650Yeah, we're disciples, right.So we want to make good disciples,56900:35:51.690 --> 00:35:53.130because we're all discipling somebody, whetherwe know it or not. Yeah,57000:35:53.570 --> 00:35:58.409and so we want to be thesekinds of disciples who can walk in the57100:35:58.449 --> 00:36:00.409light and can share those things.But you can't do that part from relationship,57200:36:00.409 --> 00:36:06.440right. Yeah, absolutely. Ifif you're fellowship with other Christians is57300:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.360segmented to one hour on a Sunday, like that's just not adequate. Yeah,57400:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.079like, that's not if I onlyknew you for one hour and Sunday57500:36:15.079 --> 00:36:16.440and you came to me and starttalking about your sin, like I don't57600:36:16.440 --> 00:36:21.670really have the capacity to minister toyou. Yeah, and or even really57700:36:21.670 --> 00:36:22.949a capacity to care. It's like, yeah, that's kind of what I57800:36:23.070 --> 00:36:25.269meant. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's just like, man, I57900:36:25.309 --> 00:36:28.349don't know you and hey, man, I'll be praying. I'll pray for58000:36:28.429 --> 00:36:31.860you. Brother, I might earnestlypray for you, but yeah, man.58100:36:31.900 --> 00:36:35.820So that's why I love about citiesfor life. It's what I love58200:36:35.860 --> 00:36:42.059about love life is they're not justtransactionally preaching a message on the street corner,58300:36:42.980 --> 00:36:45.619like if that's all it was.And that would be good in its58400:36:45.619 --> 00:36:50.489sense, because you're going to,you know, a place of death and58500:36:50.650 --> 00:36:57.769calling out to save and bring life. But you guys are invested relationally.58600:36:58.050 --> 00:37:00.090We got pictures on the wall.We know some of these mothers. Yeah,58700:37:00.599 --> 00:37:06.159is mothers have come up to ourchurch and begin some relationship, and58800:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.480that's where in communities, where thelight shines on the things. You know,58900:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.590we all always look at Matthew Eighteenwhen Jesus talk about church discipline.59000:37:15.670 --> 00:37:20.389We look at that, that lastportion. We're going to put them before59100:37:20.389 --> 00:37:22.269the church, we're going to sendthem out. Basically, we're going to59200:37:22.269 --> 00:37:24.230kick them out. Yeah, andChurch discipline, if it's done rightly,59300:37:25.070 --> 00:37:28.829the first step is going to yourbrother one on one. Yeah, and59400:37:28.949 --> 00:37:32.340so that's a relational thing. Andso going back to this whole conversation is59500:37:32.380 --> 00:37:37.139that if you're going to be apost aboard of father seek to Minister to59600:37:37.219 --> 00:37:39.099post the board of fathers or bea post of board of father who seeking59700:37:39.179 --> 00:37:43.500to be ministered to, you gotto be plugged into a local church.59800:37:43.659 --> 00:37:46.210Yeah, and not just one whereyou're showing up on Sunday, you're sitting59900:37:46.250 --> 00:37:50.329the back row, you don't knowanybody and you've kind of checked the box60000:37:50.409 --> 00:37:53.090like you'll you'll be healed or deliveredthat way. Holy Spirit can work in60100:37:53.170 --> 00:37:57.409spite of that. But the wayHoly Spirit works is through scripture, through60200:37:57.449 --> 00:38:00.280prayer and through community. Yeah,and and what better place to be around60300:38:00.280 --> 00:38:06.960other broken people that can love youand encourage you and equip you? Pastor's60400:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.639jobs to equip the work of theministry. So so this is the way60500:38:09.719 --> 00:38:15.190God's taught me about healing now equippingthe body right. So I'm limited in60600:38:15.429 --> 00:38:19.469the amount of men I can reachor women with the post aboard of healing.60700:38:19.670 --> 00:38:22.349Yeah, but as I equip ourchurch for this, we've got a60800:38:22.389 --> 00:38:24.750hundred men and women who are gatheringregularly throughout the week, not just on60900:38:24.829 --> 00:38:30.300Sunday but in their communities, andthey're going out and children our churches,61000:38:30.820 --> 00:38:35.420hundred people strong praise God. Seventyfive of things or children. Man,61100:38:35.539 --> 00:38:37.579it feels like it's about fifty.Fifty five, I mean. And so61200:38:37.739 --> 00:38:42.170our kids are now. I meanI probably saw ten of them volunteer and61300:38:42.250 --> 00:38:45.050Love Life Week. Forty. Yeah, I our kids are the next generation61400:38:45.210 --> 00:38:47.570who are standing in the gap nowfor the children, but also standing in61500:38:47.610 --> 00:38:52.929the gap for people who might makethat decision. I have kids at a61600:38:52.969 --> 00:38:58.039Christian school in the city and theprinciple told me that, man, probably61700:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.559a quarter of those kids are Christians. And so they're there and I brought61800:39:01.639 --> 00:39:07.480love life to to the school andtheir school participated as part of their mission61900:39:07.480 --> 00:39:13.550week the past two years and man, it caused the stir amongst the parents.62000:39:13.590 --> 00:39:15.949Why are you sending our kids outthere? Yeah, and even my62100:39:15.989 --> 00:39:20.869own kids had to become apologists forwhy life is got as God's thing.62200:39:20.989 --> 00:39:23.860It's we love life because because Goddoes. Yeah, and so my kids62300:39:23.900 --> 00:39:27.940now are speaking up and my evenmy own, one of my sons,62400:39:28.019 --> 00:39:31.420was ministering to one of our relativeswho saw some of our postings, like62500:39:31.460 --> 00:39:35.099why would yall go out there andsome my fifteen year old son is now62600:39:35.500 --> 00:39:38.929studying the scriptures and he's he wantsto become more sharpened and equipped so that62700:39:39.050 --> 00:39:44.090he can speak on behalf. Yeah, God through this issue of abortion.62800:39:44.170 --> 00:39:47.969So it's very it's very apologetic issue. Yeah, it's life and death issue,62900:39:49.610 --> 00:39:52.809but it's a glory of God issue. Yeah, I mean God loves63000:39:52.849 --> 00:39:54.119life. So why I create us? We're create as image. Yeah,63100:39:54.280 --> 00:39:57.519you know what I mean. So, yeah, I know. One of63200:39:57.559 --> 00:40:02.320the is a post I read fromJohn Piper some months ago that he put63300:40:02.360 --> 00:40:07.909out. You basically, like someprolaborate person, had said, you know,63400:40:07.070 --> 00:40:12.869if if all these babies are goingto heaven and you know, hey,63500:40:13.989 --> 00:40:15.190why is it a bad thing?Why is abortion of bad things just63600:40:15.230 --> 00:40:19.949sending them straight to heaven? JohnPiper's response was, with the Devil's content63700:40:20.110 --> 00:40:22.699to send, you know, athousand babies to heaven as long as he63800:40:22.820 --> 00:40:27.940can put a thousand women in Bondageto the sin of abortion. And it's63900:40:27.980 --> 00:40:30.059like it's true, because it doesbring bondage to women. And again the64000:40:30.099 --> 00:40:34.260focus a lot of times it's onwomen, but it's also men in bondage,64100:40:34.820 --> 00:40:39.969and the bondage is in still evensome believers in the churches. Yeah,64200:40:40.090 --> 00:40:44.730you know that. We are associatedwith probably my church, probably something64300:40:44.849 --> 00:40:47.170even your church, that are hangingonto that sand or in that bondage,64400:40:47.170 --> 00:40:52.000even though they're set free by theblood of Jesus and when God from pronounces64500:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.519them justified, justified by grace throughfaith, yet there's still a bondage in64600:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.119their mind and like a holding backfrom all that the Lord could, could,64700:41:00.320 --> 00:41:05.630could use them to do, becausethey're not they're not allowing the Lord64800:41:05.710 --> 00:41:08.989to release them in the sense fromthat Sind. Man, have you experienced64900:41:09.070 --> 00:41:14.630that in your congregation, some peoplegetting set free from not maybe even not65000:41:14.789 --> 00:41:20.940just passed abortions but other other thingsand seeing the Lord's sort of propel people65100:41:21.619 --> 00:41:28.699in that way? Yeah, man, I mean that's essentially that's the process65200:41:28.780 --> 00:41:35.090of sanctification. Yeah, is Godsetting you free from your past. Yeah,65300:41:35.289 --> 00:41:37.090it's hard for me to get specificexamples, because in our in our65400:41:37.289 --> 00:41:39.369in my lot of work, ithappens every day. Yes, sure,65500:41:40.050 --> 00:41:45.250whether I mean some people are,they're in bondage to their their doctrine.65600:41:45.250 --> 00:41:49.079Yeah, you know, I'm apart of this camp and I can't fellowship65700:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.880with anybody else. I was like, man, man, God wants to65800:41:51.920 --> 00:41:53.440free them from that. There's aunified body Christ. Going up to New65900:41:53.440 --> 00:41:55.960York was powerful for me. Iwent. I went up to New York66000:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.800with love life. Okay, yeah, and this was their first year in66100:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.869New York City and they asked meto come up and share some of my66200:42:02.989 --> 00:42:07.909story and I was quick to sayyes and and got up there and we66300:42:07.989 --> 00:42:13.429worshiped with some assemblies of God churchesM and I don't even know if I've66400:42:13.429 --> 00:42:16.659ever visited. Like when I gotsaved, I was like in the Baptist66500:42:16.699 --> 00:42:21.099World in Charlotte, baptist, probablythe majority of yeah, I'm sure people66600:42:21.099 --> 00:42:24.260so laying the Badya just get,just get good Bible teaching churches. That's66700:42:24.300 --> 00:42:28.019what I needed and, praise God, I'm I'm not ashamed of that at66800:42:28.019 --> 00:42:30.690all. Yeah, I love myBaptist brethren. I am baptist, but66900:42:30.409 --> 00:42:34.170but that's not the banner that I'mlike Hey, I'm a baptist. Yeah67000:42:34.170 --> 00:42:37.849Right. So going up to NewYork and see in the assemblies of God67100:42:37.889 --> 00:42:43.530folks in the way they worshiped,like the Lord started setting me free.67200:42:43.610 --> 00:42:46.320Yeah right, you don't know whatyou don't know. Yeah, I don't67300:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.880want to go to rabbit trailed onthe Kanye West thing, but his his67400:42:51.039 --> 00:42:57.360Sunday service choir and seeing the expressionof a black choir. I mean it67500:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.429moved me to tears and I'd neverexperienced that. And so I think,67600:43:00.630 --> 00:43:04.429you know, what God wants todo is he unifies us through the scripture.67700:43:04.510 --> 00:43:07.230He says, as we fellowship withlight, fellowship in the light,67800:43:07.909 --> 00:43:12.510we have fellowship with one another.The darkness wants to hide us and divide67900:43:12.510 --> 00:43:15.500us. Yeah, and partition us. And so that's another thing I just68000:43:15.659 --> 00:43:21.980love about, I guess abolition,or however you want to describe what do68100:43:22.019 --> 00:43:24.940you call this movement? I mean, I had denify myself as pro life.68200:43:25.059 --> 00:43:28.730Okay, as people know what you'resaying, but there's some we actually68300:43:28.730 --> 00:43:31.489did some podcasts about pro life andabolition. Know that. But you know,68400:43:31.570 --> 00:43:35.570one of the things this, thisis powerful and actually so I think68500:43:35.809 --> 00:43:37.929is podcast before last we put out, you know, flip flip. been68600:43:37.969 --> 00:43:42.800them and I was talking to hima little bit about the the whole incrementalism68700:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.920and mediatism sort of debate. Actuallylistening to some of that. Okay,68800:43:45.920 --> 00:43:46.679yeah, just a little bit.So. But one of the things he68900:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.320said to me, and he saidthis as we were preparing for the podcast,69000:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.320he said, you know what,because I asked me about abolition and69100:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.159what do you think about this andProlife, when you think about the tag69200:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.389pro life, because I just sayI'm pro life, because everybody knows what69300:43:58.469 --> 00:44:00.349you're talking about. So I mean, I'm contend to be called anti abortion.69400:44:00.389 --> 00:44:04.190Right people are killing babies. I'manti that. It's like a anti69500:44:04.269 --> 00:44:07.869slavery and all you know. So, but anyway, he said, you69600:44:07.909 --> 00:44:08.829know what, we don't come outhere. We were standing in front the69700:44:08.829 --> 00:44:13.659abortion clinning when he said this.So we don't come out here as abolitionist69800:44:13.940 --> 00:44:16.900or as prolife or as we don'tcome out here as a mediatist or incrementalist.69900:44:17.099 --> 00:44:21.460Come out here as Christians. Weare here because we are followers of70000:44:21.579 --> 00:44:24.289Jesus, Yep, and so thatbeing that, that was a powerful statement70100:44:24.329 --> 00:44:28.409to me. And and so hetalked a little bit, a little bit70200:44:28.449 --> 00:44:31.409in depth about that in that podcast, but it's just that is the mentality.70300:44:31.409 --> 00:44:34.610I think this is about geese.So again, so this so.70400:44:34.889 --> 00:44:37.369So. The reality of this issueis I look at this heart on your70500:44:37.409 --> 00:44:42.239shirt as his baby, right,is that? And I understand why there's70600:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.400denominations. There's some stuff that's like, but they're just some disagreements. And70700:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.239Yeah, but this issue we allagree on. Yeah, right, this70800:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.960is a gospel issue, this isa Bible issue, this is a glory70900:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.190of God issue, this is aImago day issue. Yeah, and if71000:44:54.230 --> 00:45:00.230you don't, if you if youthink this is okay, I got a71100:45:00.309 --> 00:45:04.150question, if you have the HolySpirit and have a firm understanding of scripture,71200:45:04.309 --> 00:45:07.340if you think it's okay to convertthe babies, and maybe some people71300:45:07.420 --> 00:45:09.260just in mature and we can helpthem walk through that. But the beauty71400:45:09.300 --> 00:45:15.219of this issue and this this problemis that it's uniting the church. Yeah,71500:45:15.900 --> 00:45:19.460and so I praise God for thefaithfulness of cities, for life and71600:45:19.980 --> 00:45:22.690the Benhams and people who have justfaithfully the hill drifts, I mean the71700:45:22.730 --> 00:45:27.210Wilson's is the ten I get namedhis on and on. People just faithful.71800:45:28.010 --> 00:45:31.170You know, you and Vicki.Yeah, twenty degrees outside, freezing,71900:45:31.650 --> 00:45:35.449and you're still out there right,and you probably were like, man,72000:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.719when's the church going to show up? Yeah, and then the past72100:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.280couple of years the church has shownup. Yeah, and so the things72200:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.480spreading. But but it's beautiful,as I as I minister next to different72300:45:45.519 --> 00:45:51.190denominations and skin colors and age groupsand whatever the background is. Yeah,72400:45:51.710 --> 00:45:52.829so, man, yeah, justnext time you're in New York, just72500:45:52.949 --> 00:45:57.550suggestion. If anybody he's listening togood at Time Square church, you bet72600:45:57.550 --> 00:46:00.670it there. Powerful. Well,we were speaking at a church on Sunday.72700:46:00.710 --> 00:46:01.989Okay, you have the option.You go back. Go, because72800:46:01.989 --> 00:46:07.019I mean you talking about different peoplefrom different background and you're looking at Africans,72900:46:07.099 --> 00:46:09.780people from vision places in Asia.Like the choir itself is just an73000:46:09.820 --> 00:46:14.539array of the entire world, because, you know, New York's a Melton73100:46:14.579 --> 00:46:16.539Cot anyway. Yeah, and it'sjust like when I last time I was73200:46:16.619 --> 00:46:20.610there, which is some years ago, with the choir just worshiping God and73300:46:20.650 --> 00:46:23.570seeing everybody from every tribe and tongueand nation worshiping together. Just I think73400:46:23.570 --> 00:46:27.809they're the ones, they're the onesthat kind of champion the movement. And73500:46:27.969 --> 00:46:30.170Yeah, I said, yeah,yeah, I'm mistaken. Yeah, well,73600:46:30.250 --> 00:46:34.000brother, I think if you're ifyou're good to go, unless you73700:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.599have my off to say you copiesabout done. So we're going to wrap73800:46:36.639 --> 00:46:37.840this thing up. Man, Iappreciate you coming and Chare and brother.73900:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.960Appreciate your heart, man, andI'll maybe have you back on sometime in74000:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.679the future. We'll talk some moreabout some whatever the Lord brings to us.74100:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.309God to mind. But I appreciateall those who listen, who joined74200:46:50.349 --> 00:46:53.190us and just you know, checkout pastor Bryan's church if you're in the74300:46:53.230 --> 00:46:58.269Charlotte area and you're looking for achurch home. These guys are disciplers there.74400:46:58.389 --> 00:47:01.579They're not just there for the Sundaymorning surface. They're there long haul,74500:47:01.699 --> 00:47:07.059connecting people and Evangelistic Church. They'rewant to see people come to God's74600:47:07.099 --> 00:47:09.659kingdom, which is awesome to disciplethose people. So check it out.74700:47:09.900 --> 00:47:15.619Convergence in see is it versions churchinccom okay, we meet in the Plasan74800:47:15.699 --> 00:47:19.969Midwood area on Sunday, but wehave a six, probably potentially seven,74900:47:20.530 --> 00:47:24.010missional communities that meet throughout the cityto have a missional directive wherever they are.75000:47:24.090 --> 00:47:27.969So, yeah, we're not justthe church gathered but scattered. Okay,75100:47:28.289 --> 00:47:30.639and I sound horrible with this man. Can You? Can you edit75200:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.920my voice somehow? I can't.I can't make it sound better. That's75300:47:32.960 --> 00:47:37.480your people know. I normally Ican hear myself. Do I sound funny75400:47:37.480 --> 00:47:38.920to you now? Sounds okay,cool. Yeah, well, so he75500:47:39.159 --> 00:47:42.320who? You know? He preachesa lot of Sundays and he doesn't sound75600:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.909funny. He sounds sounds fantastic.You know, the Lord uses him.75700:47:45.869 --> 00:47:49.230But yeah, yeah, so checkthose guys out, check us out.75800:47:49.269 --> 00:47:52.150You can connect with me at DPark's cities for lifecom. That's my email75900:47:52.190 --> 00:47:55.829address, Charlotte dot cities for LifeDot Org is our website, and then76000:47:55.909 --> 00:48:00.059our sidewalks for life site that wealways mentioned, sidewalks, and number four76100:48:00.300 --> 00:48:04.500Lifecom, which is a Gospel centeredsidewalk counseling website, just to encourage you76200:48:04.500 --> 00:48:07.579guys and put out articles on regularbasis. And maybe we'll have pastor Brian76300:48:07.619 --> 00:48:12.059and I'll show you something on that. Yeah, I think it was yesterday76400:48:12.619 --> 00:48:15.969a friend of mine who's an organ. Okay, he shared a sidewalks for76500:48:15.010 --> 00:48:20.130life video. Okay, because Isaw what's Corey's money us? Why?76600:48:20.170 --> 00:48:22.170Yes, Sarah, Sarah. SawHer on the I was like, I76700:48:22.289 --> 00:48:23.969know her. Yeah, he's fromOregon. So people across the guys,76800:48:23.969 --> 00:48:27.480yes, or base guys. Soyeah, you guys can be blessed to76900:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.360just get that website and let usknow what you think about the podcast.77000:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.679If you had suggestions, maybe episodes, we can do subjects, we can77100:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.519cover it. I'd love to hearthem, but until next time, God77200:48:36.559 --> 00:49:00.139bless, use, use, giveme, give me, cost me my77300:49:00.420 --> 00:49:06.219life, but these two precious