Ministering To Fathers

0:00 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, Lord, I am yours. I welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life podcast. This episode we're going to talk about how to Minister to Father's at the abortion center, how to encourage them to go in and get their girlfriend out of there so that their babies life can be saved. Stay tuned. Me, Lord, I felt show Passish, touch your heart. Use. Welcome to the Gospel centered prayer life podcast. We appreciate you guys listening as always, and we would appreciate, as always, if you guys would share this podcast with other people. We want them to be a blessing to you.

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2:00 I did notice that. I've noticed that my own life. But by God's grace, you guys get to benefit from our mistakes and us, by God's grace, learning from those mistakes. We're not going to be talking about making mistakes here, although we'll probably make a few as we get through this podcast and I have to edit them out so they'll never know, you'll never know, but we do make mistakes, but we're going to jump into the subject and probably, I would say, in some context, in some measure, we've touched on this. We've covered some things that would help you in this area. But I think we're going to focus in particular on ministering to support people at the abortion center, that's, people that have come brought their friend, their girlfriend, family member for an abortion, and particular we're going to talk about the fathers that are bringing their girlfriends to the abortion center and in particular one of the things we want to touch on, because there's a lot of ways in which you would minister to a father, for example, pull and into the driveway bringing her. Initially she's in the passenger's seat, he's in the driver re seat or vice versa. But in particular we're going to touch on he's pulling out, and we actually did a few weeks ago to mock sessions in a podcast. The first mock session was me minister to you as you were a mom going to the abortion center. In the second one was you ministering to me as I was a dad pulling out. So there's a little bit of an example, right, but not every you know, not every conversation is the same. So we're going to talk about some general principles to do with that, how to minister to these DADS, how to ministers to support people that. The same principles, I think, apply to a mother that has brought her daughter to the abortion center and family member or

3:35 a friend. We've seen that a lot. So we're going to talk about that. Yeah, yeah, there are some things definitely that I would say to a dad that I would not say to a different kind of supportions. Yeah, but but this this actually arose because it was a specific question by one of our sideback missionaries. Hey, I need some help that. She said. This is what she falters in and she sees it all the time and I thought it was interesting. She said, for example, offering help to especially the MOMS seems to be very effective. Sure, but she said she's not finding that to be the case with DAD's. Yeah, and said I wonder. I wonder if it's because they just it's a Mucho kind of thing and I was thinking about that. They probably know their failure they have not supported this woman in some way. Yeah, so that she feels secure and choosing life. Yeah, and so I think there is an element of pride when they hear, Hey, we can help you, and maybe Daniel, you know, you're a man. I'm not. So maybe I'm going to use them. Maybe, maybe I'm wrong about this, but I'm just wondering. Does it is that like a sore spot if you raise that to a man and say hey, we've got help, she doesn't need to do this, we can help. Is it in does he here? I'm not helping? Yeah, I mean there's a couple of things going on. And men that come to an abortion center come with all kinds of mindsets. There's varying mindsets. You've encountered it, where they don't want to have the abortion

5:09 and so they're there. We've even had him come but by themselves. Their girlfriend came to the abortion center, drove herself there and they come after her in their own vehicle trying to get her out of there. So we've had that happy as well. Yeah, and then of course we've had the men like almost literally dragging the woman into the abortion so and anything in between. But got understand too, that this is this is a situation in which the devil has inserted himself right. So there's a lot of confusion, there's a lot of fear there's a lot of anxiety, there's a lot of just chaos going on in that situation. So you've got to cut through that as best you can. How you do that? You do that with the truth. But I will say that kind of in a big picture way. We have to understand as a society in America we have so demeaned manhood and it's been perverted. Certainly, you know this idea of tossed toxic masculinity or whatever.

6:02 That's kind of like a pendulum swing reaction to where it is bad to be a man now. Used to be it was like you got to be a rough man, never cry, and that sort of so it's like this pendulum swing thing, the pendul on the swinging toward just really emasculinating men. Yeah, there men aren't aren't being men, men aren't encouraged to be men. A lot of men, especially the ones that we encounter at the abortion center, don't know what it is to be a man right. So one of the things that I want to do when I'm talking to a man at the abortion center is I want to as I gave a couple of weeks ago, I want to put courage into him. What is if he was courageous, if he had courage and he truly because I've encountered men who would say, and I believe them, I don't want her to have the abortion, but you drove her here right. You know, what does that say? What says to me He's a coward. Yeah, he won't stand up and he won't stand for righteousness and he won't stand for his child. He's I may have had men literally weeping, and I believe that their tears are genuine, in front of the abortion center, in their vehicle on the way out or whatever. Yeah, balling their eyes out because they don't want to have the abortion. And yet they drove her there. And I asked them, why did you drive her here? Well, I didn't feel I hid any other choice. I mean, it's her decision, her, you know, she's got to deal with the pregnancy and all this other stuff. And I'm like, listen, you're a man, God has given you charge and this is kind of me giving you guys. Here's what I would say to him and and it depends. I'll try to read the situation best I can based on the interactions with this guy, but I want to put courage into him and

7:35 I don't just want to say you're a coward, which I think can be said and can be effective given the right context timing with that. But I really want to put courage into him. And so if I have a brief conversation with a man who's dropped his girlfriend off at the abortion center, he's pulling out and he's balling his eyes out, or he's, you know, glazed of whatever, you know, whatever's going on. Yeah, I want to speak courage into him. Yeah, I want to give him courage to say, not only should you, but you can go in there and get out. So I'm going to give my opinion. You should do this, but I want to empower him to know that you can listen, you can walk in that abortion center and you can have this Pamplin in your hand and you can tell her we don't need to do this. Yeah, so that's one of your specifics that you're going to tell them. You're literally given the plan of Action. You can go in there, you can have the pamphlet, you can tell her you don't need to do this. Yeah, and I want to use words that really affirm biblical manhood, HMM, like protect.

8:37 You can go in there, and you can protect your child, right, yeah, you can support her and carrying this pregnancy. You can, I'll use the word, you can be a hero. I'll use that word. That, I think is one of the most effective positive statements you can make, because we all want to be heroes, we do. You can save a child's life. Is another thing along along those lines. You can save your baby's life. You can be a hero to that woman. Now to the into now, I do think that, especially for women speaking to men, that whole what I just talked about the whole kind of societal thing of really making manhood just a terrible thing and kind of just deflated men, and even TV shows make men look just like a bunch of googers and all this other stuff. And so, with that being kind of in society and kind of what a lot of our men have been brought up and trained with it, manhood is just been perverted to be something it's not and manhood is terrible and wrong or whatever. You have to be careful as a woman speaking into that. I mean, how are you, as a woman, going to put courage in him to be a man? You don't know what I has to be a man, right, right, but there are things that you can say. Well, I will tell you, just from a woman's perspective, is sometimes the tactic that I will take. It is I will say, you know, I am a woman. I know that it would mean the world to me if I was in this situation and my boyfriend or husband said, honey, we can do this together. Yet I will take care of you, I will watch over your baby, our baby, and

10:09 that I will do whatever it takes. That that I am just waiting for a man to be strong and to do what God would have him do. Yeah, so I think, speaking from from I'm a woman, this is maybe what she is waiting to hear. Yea, I will say that and I think that is maybe better received than me. Certainly I wouldn't say I actually don't ever say you are a coward. I think that that never goes well coming kind of name calling there. Yeah, I mean there is. I've seen God use that, but just because God would use something doesn't necessarily mean that we should do it like God's mercifully uses. He uses donkeys. Is that the best? We don't get riding donkeys to the abortion right.

10:50 Use the donkey to speak to a to Balim right. Well, taken donkeys to the abortion clinic. But my point is, though, is well, the main point is in any of these conversations is we've got to be led by the Holy Spirit. Right, so the Holy Spirit in the moment could call a man to the carpet and basically point him out as a coward. One man who actually did choose life or went in and got his girlfriend out. One of our counselors on our last episode, the hundredth episode, shared that testimony, yeah, that that man went in there and told her that he had believe that that was the testimony of Kathleen shared. Maybe, just maybe, as you were sharing that. Don't yeah, but basically the man went in told her that we have a family emergency, that got the girl out. We reason why he did that as because the guy who he wasn't a love life, cour cities for Life Guy. He was kind of an independent guy out there by himself. Great Dude, but he called the Guy Coward. Okay, now, don't think that part of the story did come out on our back. Not come okay. So that's in. That's what happened. So he said you're if you're going to allow them to kill your child, you're a coward, and he said when he got on the mobile unit. That was part of what got him to go in and get her out of there, is the fact that he said, you know what I was thinking about that? That guy said that I'm a coward because I'm not standing up for my baby, and he's right, yeah, and so he went in there and got her out. Baby was saved, amazing again, just because God used that. I don't think it means that we go out on the sidewalk and just constantly calling people cowards. Right. However, biblically

12:22 speaking, revelation chapter twenty one, Verse Eight Talks About Cowards. All cowards will find their part in the lake of fire. Leads out this kind a list of sins and things that God's going to judge, and being cowardly is one of those things. So there can be a context for that. If, specifically the Holy Spirit leads you to that, I think you might could say that, but I think it's better to lay out a case first and let them come to the conclusion that they're being a coward, Ram just telling them, Hey, you're a coward, yeah, and so you can say things. There are two ways you can go at that. You can, you know, be laying out the case where it's just painfully obvious they're a coward. You can go at it from the positive approach and if they're not too thick headed or hardhearted, this can sometimes be effective, where you are laying out what a courageous man looks like. Yeah, and are are they?

13:16 They will figure out on their own. Do I measure up or not? Right, yeah, you know. Are you using your strength to protect RHYMAN and and babies? Have you told her you will do everything you can in your power to help her? So, so those sort of statements, I think, can be really, really effective. Yeah, and easier, I think, for a woman. I will say I tend to personally be harsher with a man leaving, especially if they're leaving the woman in the abortion center. Yeah, then I am with a woman, right or wrong. I don't know if that's right or wrong, but that's just my natural inclination.

13:56 Is they are. They're just letting this happen and they will be called to account before God, and that's one of the things I will say. Yeah, I will talk about what do you think Jesus would have you do, and what do you do with the verses where where Jesus says we will be called to account for every action that we've done, both good and an evil. Yeah, well, what do you think will be his opinion of this action? And have you done everything possible? Yeah, while that baby is that alive? Like, one of the dynamics that plays out in these particular scenarios is that the man in this is this is more often than not the reaction. It's one of apathy, like not that they don't want her to have the abortion, that they do wanted to have the abortion. It's just more like, well, it's her thing and whatever, I'm going to go have profess that. Mctimes, absolutely I think one of the ways that I think you can break through that apathy in your conversation with them is to make it personal for them and to imply, or I guess, drop drop on their lap, the reality, not just imply it, but bring it to the forefront that that baby is their son or daughter. Yes, just not that baby, not just her baby, your baby, but I think in particular, using the word father, yeah, that you are the father of that baby that scheduled to yeah, yeah, that's your son and that's

15:30 your daughter and I will just like with the mother's I will call her a mother, because she is. If she's pregnant, I will call them a father and then I will talk about so one of the questions I asked do you have other children? So I ask if do you have any other children? Do you have? If they share, people are often very open about it. Yeah, I've got a son. He's such a blessing. Yeah, and I will talk about. Okay, that you were son. Could you imagine life without them? Did you? Do you remember when your girlfriend or your wife, who ever bore that child, was pregnant and the struggle? It was difficult, right, but it was worth it, right, because you have that child in your life as a blessing. Right. Well, this child that she carries, your son that she carries right now that you're the father of, is, in the same way, of blessing.

16:15 This is your child. So I kind of use what they know to really bring them into the reality of something they actually don't know, having connected with and really disconnected them to themselves from yeah, and one of the harssure truths that you can then continue in that vein is this is what is going to happen to your son or daughter, do you know right what happens and describe that your son or your daughter is going to be literally ripped apart limb by limb. That's, you know, something as if you're encountering apathy. You kind of it's not said for shock value, but you do want to kind of shock them into out of that lethargy. Yeah, and into some sort of action. So one of the things that struck me when you were talking about using the word coward and then thinking about the apathetic man coming out.

17:04 Coward is a word that can evoke strong emotions. Should I imagine there's men that get very angry. Yeah, yeah, I've seen it, so I know this happens. Yeah, they can get very angry, and maybe that's a almost a good thing, because at least it's it's moving them out of just in action. It's a good thing, as long as they don't punch you in the face. They don't punch you in the face. Yeah, we got to be careful about trying to keep things from escalating to a point where anyone is in danger. Yeah, but another done now out of that. Yeah, let her Chi another donenet dynamic that I see out there which to me is really just the way the flesh and the devil operate, really just deceptively, and I know you've heard it thousands of times, where he pretends, you know, he might stop again in the driveway coming on the way out and he pretends that really he's sort of apathetic toward the situation.

18:03 So he might say something to the effect of, well, you know, I don't want her to have the abortion, but after all it's her body, her choice, her right or whatever. I'm not doing it. Yeah, after all, I'm not doing it. It's her doing it right, and to me that's a really devilish way to handle because if you get then I've had these situations or these conversations many, many times. I really really get down to the bottom of it. All he's doing is taking the guilt that he feels because, after all, he's likely the one that pressured her to have the abortion. He's likely the one that paid at least some of the money to have the abortion. So you're trying to make me believe, young man, that you brought her to the abortions and you drove her here, you paid the money for her to have the abortion, but you really it's not your body's not your choice. All you're doing. It's a mechanism for you to take the guilt that you're your feeling and put it off on her. And so in those situations that, if I can perceive that's what's going on, I will come down very heavy handedly and I will say God is not deceived by what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, you're taking the guilt of the thing and you're basically saying my hands are clean because I'm not, after I'm not the one having the abortion. I want to tell you your hands are not clean. This is your baby and you need to do everything you can to get her out of there. Now, you can't drag her by the hair out of that place, but you need to go in with this pamphlet in your hand and you need to speak to her and tell her let's not murder our child. Yeah, that way, and that I'm still put encourage into him. Yeah, but I'm really being forth right and I'm really confronting that young man in not his ampathy but his active involvement in

19:37 the murder of his own chil right. And of course we're a gospel centered ministry and so whenever it is the right time, which is most of the time, we give them scripture, you give them the word of God. What is what does the word say? And one of my favorites when I have someone tell me it's her body, her choice. I'm not the one murdering, you know I'm it. It's not my issue, it's hers. Is is proverbs twenty four, eleven to twelve. So I'm going to read that delivered those who are being taken away to death and those who are staggering to slaughter. Hold them back. If you say, see, we did not knows know this, does he not consider it? Who weighs the hearts and does he not know it? Who keeps your soul, and will he not render to man according to his work? So God perceives it. God knows what you have done. God knows whether you have done everything in your power to rescue those being led away to death. Have you done everything in your power to rescue that child being left way to death? And for you to say I knew nothing about it, that's just not true. Yeah, God debt that that verse tells you. Does Not he perceive it? Yeah, who holds the universe in his hand? You're not. You're not fooling God. You are not fooling God, you are just deceiving yourself. Yeah, and you will be called to account and God does see this. And

21:07 and so then telling him you until you have, until that baby's dead, you should not be fleeing from that place. Yeah, because you could still influence and change the outcome your son or daughter. Yeah, a couple of things I want to mention in this vein and when we're talking about the fathers especially, but any of the support people. Yeah, we've trained, and if you've gone through our training you know this where we really talk about that mother is actually the judge, like weird advocate. We're a lawyer back pleading on behalf of that baby. We're pleading a case like that. That baby is on trial, even though it he or she has done nothing wrong.

21:48 That baby's on trial. Yeah, and where that baby's lawyer. And so we use the three talking points, you know, all of that stuff, as as evidence, right, of why that baby doesn't deserve to die. We're appealing to the judge. That mother is the judge. The abortionist is not the judge. The abortionist is the executioner in this, in this analogy, the mother is the judge, and so we're appealing to her. So we use evidence like fetal development, ultrasound. Will use, obviously, what God says is word, as evidence that this baby doesn't deserve to die. The resources that are available. You guys know the three talking points, but we can also call witnesses. Okay, and one of the greatest witnesses to have up on the stand to help us plead a case to that judge is the father of the baby. So if you can win him over in a conversation, this is why we need to be careful. Yes, there are times we need to confront you guys just heard what I said about confronting cowardice and all of that other stuff. But we really need to be careful because if we can build a relationship with him and if we can put courage in him, then we can likely influence the judge. Right, if we can get a pamphlet in his hand and get him to go inside the abortion center and talk to her. What he has to say, and I'll say this to the men, one sentence from you is worth tenzero words from me right.

23:04 As a matter of fact, statistics have kind of bore this out and there's a statistic flying out around out there and haven't been able to pin out where it really comes from, but I'm I'm pretty sure it's accurate and it's basically about ninety percent of the women that have an abortion said eighty to ninety percent said that if the man would take responsibility for the baby, she wouldn't have the abortion. So that kind of speaks to the father's involvement in the abortion decision. Whether he's a pathetic or actively involved, passively involved, whatever, his voice does matter and if we can win him over as the attorney for that baby and have him as a witness on our side, yeah, pleading the case to the judge, it could likely influence the judge. Yeah, and I don't know the exact statistics, but I will say from experience that is absolutely true. There was a mom on board the RV today that the father the baby was pressuring her to abort and I said, well, how did that make you feel? Now she was coming, he wasn't and he didn't even know she was there. She was coming to abort and she was determined to abort. But when I said how did that make you feel, when the father said that the father of the baby and she said bad.

24:17 Yeah, it made her feel bad. That's what I hear. Even for the women who are abortion determined, at the root so often of that determination is a man has said go kill our child. Yeah, and so in the way that you phrased it, you were again empowering him. Look at what an influence you have. You can influence her for good, yeah, not for evil, not for destruction. Yeah, and so you're feeding courage into him in a very positive way. That influences good. You can influence her. Yeah, in the same way when you're dealing with like parents that have brought their daughter, their father and mother, their brother daughter there for an abortion, or a friend, family member, even sometimes an uber driver, somebody that has their trust that we might not have at that moment.

25:07 That moment, right, we're just that Weirdo out on the sidewalk. Yeah, if we can win that person over, yeah, that person then becomes a witness on behalf of that baby. Yeah, and we can we can leverage that and and help influence the judge, the mother, yeah, to let that baby go free. Yeah. So you're making a great case for why we need to really be relational. Yeah, and and build hope and courage in that man. But there are times when they just are not having it and and they are they are still determined. They're just going to they will off in lie while be right back. Yeah, what do you say in that case when that, when they've left her, no abortionist is going to be there any minut at right. So they say this, this is a good point, and this is what kind of want to just focus on just for a second here. Is Because I've seen this play out.

26:00 Yeah, we're the guys coming out of the parking lot or even you know, he's walked out on the sidewalk and where there were talking to him, and I've seen counselors, and I've probably done it myself, go on endlessly. Right, and because he wants to debate and he wants to justify himself, he wants to claim, you know, innocence and no involvement in this thing, or he wants to talk about whatever. I mean, I've had guys talk about anything under the Sun to really just shrug off the guilt of they're feeling. Hey, but we have to understand there's a sense of urgency. Right, was that mother WHO's pregnant? I will have a conversation with her for four hours if I can write, because I know she's not going in here. She's not any abortions. I'll have a conversation that will keep right out of there. If she wants to keep talking, I'll talk about whatever. I don't care. Yeah, but with him there's a sense of urgency. Yeah, and so if he's out there on the sidewalk talking to me and he wants to talk about anything under the Sun, I'm always going to bring the conversation back around to but your girlfriends in there, your wife is in there and your baby's about to die. So please go in there and get her out of there and then we can talk about all these other things. So he might want to talk about evolution, he might want to talk about, I mean Rastafarian Ismm I had a guy talk to one of the talk to me about Rastafarian is him and all babies being murdered in the baying in there right. All of it's around him trying to justify his self and not doing anything. Yeah, and so you they want to talk about, whatever it might be, conspiracy theories and all kinds of weird stuff.

27:29 I will always bring the conversation back around there to them going in and getting her out and when they're about to pull out and there I'm just going to go up to here, to the store, I'm going to go up to McDonald. I'll be right back. Yeah, I will stress that there's not time for you to be right back. You need to go in there and get her out of there. Please understand the gravity of what's going on. So what I want to communicate as I want to communicate urgency, yes, I want to communicate the gravity of the situation, and I want to communicate his ability to change the situation. Right. So I want to urgency, gravity and his ability to communicate to her in such a way that I cannot write. So I want to get him and so I will say specifically, just cut a you turn right here, go back in there, talk to her and then all you can all you can do, is try right now.

28:19 I will I will reiterate that because I don't want to put an undue guilt on them, like if they're if they do and genuinely try to get her out of there and she doesn't come out, what else can you do? That's right, you know. Yeah, and so I will encourage them with that you go in, just give her this pamphlet and I'll try to make it very simple. Just give her this pamphlet, just tell her. You don't even have to tell her anything, but these people on the sidewalk want to talk to you. That's all you need to do. Can you do that? Yeah, and I have watched men, after I encourage them, walk into the abortion center five ten minutes later, walk out with her girlfriend holding her hand, and all she was waiting for is for them to walk for that boyfriend that has been to walk back into that abortion center and say we don't have to do this. That tried, and I do believe that that is true for many, many of the women, women that they are just waiting. Will he be the man that God designed him to be?

29:17 In that I think women long for a strong man, yeah, who will defend them and their child. Yeah. So I like also how you gave even in the specificity of just make a you turn. They have, they have sometimes, in their own chaotic mess and deception, just a simple bit of advice like make a you turn, give them a a plan, yeah, is sometimes so in invaluable. Yeah, because they just sometimes they truly do feel like I've done all I knew to do. Some of them honestly do feel like they've done all they they knew to do, and so we are giving them more specifics, and those are the times when I feel like it's a man that's fought. Sometimes you will talk to a man who has indicated, and I sort of believe in that he has fought to some degree for that child. Then giving them new ammunition is is what I will try to speak into them, and that's we're talking about. Well, do you know what happens to how far long is? She's said ten weeks.

30:26 Do you know that a ten week baby has detectable brain waves? Does your girlfriend know that? Does she know that baby has ten fingers and ten toes with unique little fingerprints? Yeah, and that that little baby's going to be ripped apart limb by limb? Does she know that? Maybe if you went and told her that and said we can't let that happen to our child. So if they have, have said I don't know what else to say, and sometimes they will say that. Yeah, that's when I think it's important give them specifics, know the specifics of abortion, of fetal development, sometimes, of the resources. Yeah, and and tell them now, go in and say, say those things. You don't see if those will help. Yeah, and I think, like I mentioned, putting a pamphlet in their hands. Yeah, just go in there, don't say a word and give her this pamphlet. Now's our pamphlet. Says all that. But you do have to be careful because, at least at our facility, we have said that and they will snatch it out of their hand. Yeah, I was going to tell them, okay, I'm sure, yes, stick in your back pockets, out and you're sure to something like that. To go on there hander this pamphlet. Yeah, we don't have to do this, or those people outside want to talk to you. You want to empower you want to encourage them against thinking of that kind of analogy, of they're a witness on behalf of their baby, yeah, of why their baby doesn't deserve to die. And it could be, and this is what I'll say to the man, it could be that she's in that abortion clinic right now and she's praying for a sign and she says, God, if you don't want me to have this abortion, then send whatever his name is back in there and I'll try to get their name with the man. I'll certainly try to get

31:59 their name and use their name encourage them to go in there. And again, I want to give them enough information to empower them to go in and do something, but not so much information where I'm provoking a lengthy conversation. So I'm not. Yeah, I'll get into field development. I'll get into it very minimally give them the fact that they need to know right. But I do want to stress fatherhood and the fact that their child is their son or daughter and that they need to do something about it now, go do it. That's basically it. Yeah, you're the father that baby. That baby deserves your protection. She's waiting for you possibly to come in and speak to her and encourage her to do the right thing. So go in and do it. Yeah, yeah, I want to stress. Get me chills when you said she might be praying right now for a sign. And can you imagine be and they tell us all the time they are. Yeah, we hear that so much from the women. Can you imagine being that woman and all of a sudden your boyfriend bust through the door with an and sometimes with all the workers chasten after him? Say Baby, go back there, can you imagine the impact of that on that woman? She sees her hero, she sees her night. Yeah, you know, in shining armor of hearing, just in the brink of time. It said. It is really an effective, I think. Yeah, vision for you to paint for them.

33:13 Now there are times when you've done all that and they still say thanks, I gotta go. Yeah, and they and and there there is one last thing. We've talked about this before. We always offer to pray. Yeah, yeah, we'll do that. And depending on again, the the the urgency, and if I know the abortionist is about to get there, I might not even pray with them. I might just send them on in there with a pamphlet in their hand and say get her out of there. Well, what if I know they're saying now? What if they say it? Thank you. That's been all great advice and see you later, buddy. Yeah, and they're going to drive. But either way, if if I feel there's time, I will pray. I like, if I'm going to send him in there he's willing to go, I'm going to pray and just pray courage into him, give him the strength. But in that scenario where they're just apathetic and they're keep driving. I will offer to pray with them, yeah, and really pray at their yeah, right, right, Lord, I pray that you would help this young man to see that his baby is precious, that you love his baby and that you want to give him the courage that it takes to go in there and get his girlfriend out of that place and save his baby. So give this young man the courage to do that, help him to be the man that you've called him to be and help him to know God that he is guilty of the murder of this child if he doesn't do something. So I'll pray something like that.

34:22 I'm lay it on. Memorize the whole case and laid it out, but in your prayer. Yeah, and so those words, even if he does drive away, you know, those words don't return for yeah, right, there they're. They're in his head as he's driving up to McDonald's for his coffee. Yeah, and he's thinking of what you've said. Yeah, and hopefully it's not too late when and if he does return. Yeah. Now I'll share one story, and I think, as far as I'm concerned, we're we can wrap this podcast up, I think. Yeah, it's been good but there was one encouraging story. Okay, now, you guys take this for whatever it is, but this guy's actually my hero, okay, one of my heroes, and I'm not saying we encourage people to do this. This guy kind of did this on his own. But at the HEBROWN abortion clinic some years ago, probably ten years ago or so, there was a man his girlfriend actually came to the Hebron abortion clinic to kill his baby.

35:15 He knew that she was pregnant. He didn't want her to have the abortion. She went kind of slipped out of the house or whatever, went to the abortion clinic and somehow he found out through one of her friends or something like that, that she was at the abortion clinic and he actually rolled up at the abortion clinic, found out she was in there and went talked with some of the sidewalk people that are out there and they didn't encourage him to do anything violent or anything like that, right, but they were encouraging him that you can go in there, you can speak with her. Well, they wouldn't let him in to go and talk to her, so he went around back and kick the back door open. Oh Wow, yeah, the back door open, got her out of there and he didn't drag her out or anything, but he he gave her a stern, you know, rebuke. The police ended up showing up and they rested him and all that stuff they did. They did arrest him, yeah, because he damaged property, broke the door down. Okay, but guess what, she's girlfriend didn't kill their baby babies. Life was safe because that man was a hero.

36:12 That guy is my hero. He's one of my hero is. Like that dude did what most of these men would never do. Right. Most of these men wouldn't even squeak out in their voices don't have this abortion right. But that guy actually took action. Now, I'm not encouraging violence and people kicking downdoors, but man, that story, it's just just is awesome to me. His baby was saying it because of it. That shows the power of a man who really sees the value. Yeah, of think about that child. Think about that kid, and I don't know if that kid has that story shared, but if I was that kid, if that do was my father, yeah, I would look up to that knowing what dad did to save my life. Yeah, just and and you know, that's a great story. Do you tell that to dad's as I sure counsel, but I'm careful with that because I don't want to encourage them to go. Yeah, I don't want to be part of that. I mean, if they do it, I'm not sad, right, but I'm not going to encourage it. Yeah, that because I'm not going to be part of yeah, them getting arrested and things like that. Yeah. So it just encouraging story, kind of like a one of those stories I like to bring out every once in a while and just share with people what what a man could do, yeah, to protect the life, of his power, of the of a father. And so many of these young men don't have fathers or if they have absent father's, they don't have great role models and sometimes, honestly, the man at the that's a sidewalk counselor is going to be that role model. Yeah, that can tell them this is what a man can do and can be. Yeah, that's true. It. So with that,

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