June 24, 2021

Ministering To Fathers

Ministering To Fathers

Fathers day has just past and we thought it would be great to do an episode about how to speak with fathers that you encounter at the abortion center. These men can actually be an important key to saving the life of their child. Join us as we share...


Fathers day has just past and we thought it would be great to do an episode about how to speak with fathers that you encounter at the abortion center. These men can actually be an important key to saving the life of their child. Join us as we share our experiences and Biblical principles to be effective in reaching fathers.

https://sidewalks4life.com/speaking-to-the-fathers/

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.710 Lord, I am yours. I welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life 3 00:00:10.750 --> 00:00:13.910 podcast. This episode we're going to talk about how to Minister to Father's at 4 00:00:13.949 --> 00:00:16.870 the abortion center, how to encourage them to go in and get their girlfriend 5 00:00:16.870 --> 00:00:19.789 out of there so that their babies life can be saved. Stay tuned. 6 00:00:20.149 --> 00:00:31.820 Me, Lord, I felt show Passish, touch your heart. Use. 7 00:00:34.539 --> 00:00:38.929 Welcome to the Gospel centered prayer life podcast. We appreciate you guys listening as 8 00:00:39.049 --> 00:00:44.250 always, and we would appreciate, as always, if you guys would share 9 00:00:44.289 --> 00:00:47.570 this podcast with other people. 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But yeah, we well, listen, we prepare, we produce 20 00:01:26.540 --> 00:01:30.379 these pods cast to be a blessing to you, to train and to equip 21 00:01:30.500 --> 00:01:36.730 you. And really what we do is we screw up, we learn from 22 00:01:36.769 --> 00:01:38.689 our screw ups, MMM, and we try to teach you not to screw 23 00:01:38.689 --> 00:01:42.930 up like we did. That's right. So that's what this thing is all 24 00:01:42.969 --> 00:01:47.280 about. So learning from you can learn from our mistakes. You know what 25 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:51.239 we they say a wise man learns from his mistakes, right, but I 26 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:55.840 think it even wiser man learns from other people's mistakes. Yeah, think about 27 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.439 it. It's rare. It is. I see it's rare. We often 28 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.200 want to just make our own mistakes. Yeah, you ever notice that? 29 00:02:00.469 --> 00:02:04.230 I did notice that. I've noticed that my own life. But by God's 30 00:02:04.269 --> 00:02:07.269 grace, you guys get to benefit from our mistakes and us, by God's 31 00:02:07.310 --> 00:02:09.629 grace, learning from those mistakes. We're not going to be talking about making 32 00:02:09.710 --> 00:02:14.229 mistakes here, although we'll probably make a few as we get through this podcast 33 00:02:14.349 --> 00:02:17.020 and I have to edit them out so they'll never know, you'll never know, 34 00:02:17.500 --> 00:02:21.939 but we do make mistakes, but we're going to jump into the subject 35 00:02:22.300 --> 00:02:24.939 and probably, I would say, in some context, in some measure, 36 00:02:25.180 --> 00:02:30.129 we've touched on this. We've covered some things that would help you in this 37 00:02:30.289 --> 00:02:35.330 area. But I think we're going to focus in particular on ministering to support 38 00:02:35.370 --> 00:02:38.569 people at the abortion center, that's, people that have come brought their friend, 39 00:02:38.610 --> 00:02:43.810 their girlfriend, family member for an abortion, and particular we're going to 40 00:02:43.849 --> 00:02:47.280 talk about the fathers that are bringing their girlfriends to the abortion center and in 41 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:51.520 particular one of the things we want to touch on, because there's a lot 42 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.199 of ways in which you would minister to a father, for example, pull 43 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:57.680 and into the driveway bringing her. Initially she's in the passenger's seat, he's 44 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.949 in the driver re seat or vice versa. But in particular we're going to 45 00:03:00.990 --> 00:03:05.310 touch on he's pulling out, and we actually did a few weeks ago to 46 00:03:05.509 --> 00:03:09.430 mock sessions in a podcast. The first mock session was me minister to you 47 00:03:09.590 --> 00:03:13.219 as you were a mom going to the abortion center. In the second one 48 00:03:13.340 --> 00:03:15.979 was you ministering to me as I was a dad pulling out. So there's 49 00:03:15.979 --> 00:03:19.900 a little bit of an example, right, but not every you know, 50 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:23.460 not every conversation is the same. So we're going to talk about some general 51 00:03:23.500 --> 00:03:25.300 principles to do with that, how to minister to these DADS, how to 52 00:03:25.379 --> 00:03:30.250 ministers to support people that. The same principles, I think, apply to 53 00:03:30.370 --> 00:03:35.370 a mother that has brought her daughter to the abortion center and family member or 54 00:03:35.810 --> 00:03:38.050 a friend. We've seen that a lot. So we're going to talk about 55 00:03:38.050 --> 00:03:40.680 that. Yeah, yeah, there are some things definitely that I would say 56 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.560 to a dad that I would not say to a different kind of supportions. 57 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:50.199 Yeah, but but this this actually arose because it was a specific question by 58 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.879 one of our sideback missionaries. Hey, I need some help that. She 59 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:58.830 said. This is what she falters in and she sees it all the time 60 00:03:59.550 --> 00:04:03.590 and I thought it was interesting. She said, for example, offering help 61 00:04:04.310 --> 00:04:11.139 to especially the MOMS seems to be very effective. Sure, but she said 62 00:04:11.180 --> 00:04:15.460 she's not finding that to be the case with DAD's. Yeah, and said 63 00:04:15.460 --> 00:04:20.339 I wonder. I wonder if it's because they just it's a Mucho kind of 64 00:04:20.500 --> 00:04:28.129 thing and I was thinking about that. They probably know their failure they have 65 00:04:28.529 --> 00:04:33.689 not supported this woman in some way. Yeah, so that she feels secure 66 00:04:33.730 --> 00:04:38.410 and choosing life. Yeah, and so I think there is an element of 67 00:04:38.569 --> 00:04:41.959 pride when they hear, Hey, we can help you, and maybe Daniel, 68 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.240 you know, you're a man. I'm not. So maybe I'm going 69 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.959 to use them. Maybe, maybe I'm wrong about this, but I'm just 70 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:50.319 wondering. Does it is that like a sore spot if you raise that to 71 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:54.110 a man and say hey, we've got help, she doesn't need to do 72 00:04:54.230 --> 00:04:57.990 this, we can help. Is it in does he here? I'm not 73 00:04:58.149 --> 00:05:00.790 helping? Yeah, I mean there's a couple of things going on. And 74 00:05:01.230 --> 00:05:04.949 men that come to an abortion center come with all kinds of mindsets. There's 75 00:05:04.990 --> 00:05:09.379 varying mindsets. You've encountered it, where they don't want to have the abortion 76 00:05:09.899 --> 00:05:14.180 and so they're there. We've even had him come but by themselves. Their 77 00:05:14.220 --> 00:05:15.980 girlfriend came to the abortion center, drove herself there and they come after her 78 00:05:16.259 --> 00:05:18.420 in their own vehicle trying to get her out of there. So we've had 79 00:05:18.500 --> 00:05:21.009 that happy as well. Yeah, and then of course we've had the men 80 00:05:21.129 --> 00:05:26.449 like almost literally dragging the woman into the abortion so and anything in between. 81 00:05:27.250 --> 00:05:30.009 But got understand too, that this is this is a situation in which the 82 00:05:30.129 --> 00:05:34.410 devil has inserted himself right. So there's a lot of confusion, there's a 83 00:05:34.449 --> 00:05:39.759 lot of fear there's a lot of anxiety, there's a lot of just chaos 84 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.680 going on in that situation. So you've got to cut through that as best 85 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:45.639 you can. How you do that? You do that with the truth. 86 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.149 But I will say that kind of in a big picture way. We have 87 00:05:50.189 --> 00:05:58.670 to understand as a society in America we have so demeaned manhood and it's been 88 00:05:58.790 --> 00:06:02.029 perverted. Certainly, you know this idea of tossed toxic masculinity or whatever. 89 00:06:02.149 --> 00:06:06.100 That's kind of like a pendulum swing reaction to where it is bad to be 90 00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:10.660 a man now. Used to be it was like you got to be a 91 00:06:10.699 --> 00:06:13.699 rough man, never cry, and that sort of so it's like this pendulum 92 00:06:13.740 --> 00:06:16.819 swing thing, the pendul on the swinging toward just really emasculinating men. Yeah, 93 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:21.610 there men aren't aren't being men, men aren't encouraged to be men. 94 00:06:21.970 --> 00:06:25.889 A lot of men, especially the ones that we encounter at the abortion center, 95 00:06:25.930 --> 00:06:28.970 don't know what it is to be a man right. So one of 96 00:06:29.009 --> 00:06:30.810 the things that I want to do when I'm talking to a man at the 97 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:35.399 abortion center is I want to as I gave a couple of weeks ago, 98 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:41.160 I want to put courage into him. What is if he was courageous, 99 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:45.800 if he had courage and he truly because I've encountered men who would say, 100 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.189 and I believe them, I don't want her to have the abortion, but 101 00:06:48.350 --> 00:06:51.670 you drove her here right. You know, what does that say? What 102 00:06:51.829 --> 00:06:57.029 says to me He's a coward. Yeah, he won't stand up and he 103 00:06:57.189 --> 00:07:00.589 won't stand for righteousness and he won't stand for his child. He's I may 104 00:07:00.629 --> 00:07:03.180 have had men literally weeping, and I believe that their tears are genuine, 105 00:07:03.500 --> 00:07:08.180 in front of the abortion center, in their vehicle on the way out or 106 00:07:08.220 --> 00:07:11.139 whatever. Yeah, balling their eyes out because they don't want to have the 107 00:07:11.180 --> 00:07:14.540 abortion. And yet they drove her there. And I asked them, why 108 00:07:14.540 --> 00:07:16.529 did you drive her here? Well, I didn't feel I hid any other 109 00:07:16.529 --> 00:07:19.449 choice. I mean, it's her decision, her, you know, she's 110 00:07:19.490 --> 00:07:21.610 got to deal with the pregnancy and all this other stuff. And I'm like, 111 00:07:21.730 --> 00:07:26.889 listen, you're a man, God has given you charge and this is 112 00:07:27.170 --> 00:07:29.689 kind of me giving you guys. Here's what I would say to him and 113 00:07:29.769 --> 00:07:31.639 and it depends. I'll try to read the situation best I can based on 114 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:34.839 the interactions with this guy, but I want to put courage into him and 115 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:39.079 I don't just want to say you're a coward, which I think can be 116 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:43.920 said and can be effective given the right context timing with that. But I 117 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.709 really want to put courage into him. And so if I have a brief 118 00:07:46.990 --> 00:07:49.750 conversation with a man who's dropped his girlfriend off at the abortion center, he's 119 00:07:49.790 --> 00:07:54.509 pulling out and he's balling his eyes out, or he's, you know, 120 00:07:54.870 --> 00:07:58.350 glazed of whatever, you know, whatever's going on. Yeah, I want 121 00:07:58.350 --> 00:08:01.939 to speak courage into him. Yeah, I want to give him courage to 122 00:08:01.060 --> 00:08:05.620 say, not only should you, but you can go in there and get 123 00:08:05.740 --> 00:08:07.740 out. So I'm going to give my opinion. You should do this, 124 00:08:09.339 --> 00:08:11.300 but I want to empower him to know that you can listen, you can 125 00:08:11.420 --> 00:08:16.050 walk in that abortion center and you can have this Pamplin in your hand and 126 00:08:16.129 --> 00:08:18.610 you can tell her we don't need to do this. Yeah, so that's 127 00:08:18.649 --> 00:08:22.410 one of your specifics that you're going to tell them. You're literally given the 128 00:08:22.490 --> 00:08:26.480 plan of Action. You can go in there, you can have the pamphlet, 129 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.360 you can tell her you don't need to do this. Yeah, and 130 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:37.360 I want to use words that really affirm biblical manhood, HMM, like protect. 131 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.320 You can go in there, and you can protect your child, right, 132 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.389 yeah, you can support her and carrying this pregnancy. You can, 133 00:08:43.509 --> 00:08:46.990 I'll use the word, you can be a hero. I'll use that word. 134 00:08:48.110 --> 00:08:50.629 That, I think is one of the most effective positive statements you can 135 00:08:50.669 --> 00:08:54.029 make, because we all want to be heroes, we do. You can 136 00:08:54.070 --> 00:08:58.500 save a child's life. Is another thing along along those lines. You can 137 00:08:58.539 --> 00:09:01.379 save your baby's life. You can be a hero to that woman. Now 138 00:09:01.500 --> 00:09:07.539 to the into now, I do think that, especially for women speaking to 139 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:11.850 men, that whole what I just talked about the whole kind of societal thing 140 00:09:13.049 --> 00:09:18.450 of really making manhood just a terrible thing and kind of just deflated men, 141 00:09:18.649 --> 00:09:22.250 and even TV shows make men look just like a bunch of googers and all 142 00:09:22.289 --> 00:09:26.240 this other stuff. And so, with that being kind of in society and 143 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.200 kind of what a lot of our men have been brought up and trained with 144 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.799 it, manhood is just been perverted to be something it's not and manhood is 145 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.519 terrible and wrong or whatever. You have to be careful as a woman speaking 146 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.149 into that. I mean, how are you, as a woman, going 147 00:09:41.230 --> 00:09:43.389 to put courage in him to be a man? You don't know what I 148 00:09:43.470 --> 00:09:45.629 has to be a man, right, right, but there are things that 149 00:09:45.710 --> 00:09:48.950 you can say. Well, I will tell you, just from a woman's 150 00:09:48.029 --> 00:09:52.220 perspective, is sometimes the tactic that I will take. It is I will 151 00:09:52.340 --> 00:09:56.220 say, you know, I am a woman. I know that it would 152 00:09:56.299 --> 00:10:01.299 mean the world to me if I was in this situation and my boyfriend or 153 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.100 husband said, honey, we can do this together. Yet I will take 154 00:10:05.139 --> 00:10:09.649 care of you, I will watch over your baby, our baby, and 155 00:10:09.970 --> 00:10:13.210 that I will do whatever it takes. That that I am just waiting for 156 00:10:13.370 --> 00:10:18.049 a man to be strong and to do what God would have him do. 157 00:10:18.370 --> 00:10:22.120 Yeah, so I think, speaking from from I'm a woman, this is 158 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.200 maybe what she is waiting to hear. Yea, I will say that and 159 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.879 I think that is maybe better received than me. Certainly I wouldn't say I 160 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:37.070 actually don't ever say you are a coward. I think that that never goes 161 00:10:37.230 --> 00:10:39.429 well coming kind of name calling there. Yeah, I mean there is. 162 00:10:41.149 --> 00:10:45.029 I've seen God use that, but just because God would use something doesn't necessarily 163 00:10:45.070 --> 00:10:48.470 mean that we should do it like God's mercifully uses. He uses donkeys. 164 00:10:48.629 --> 00:10:50.100 Is that the best? We don't get riding donkeys to the abortion right. 165 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:56.059 Use the donkey to speak to a to Balim right. Well, taken donkeys 166 00:10:56.059 --> 00:11:01.059 to the abortion clinic. But my point is, though, is well, 167 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:05.450 the main point is in any of these conversations is we've got to be led 168 00:11:05.490 --> 00:11:09.409 by the Holy Spirit. Right, so the Holy Spirit in the moment could 169 00:11:09.529 --> 00:11:13.490 call a man to the carpet and basically point him out as a coward. 170 00:11:13.570 --> 00:11:16.649 One man who actually did choose life or went in and got his girlfriend out. 171 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:22.679 One of our counselors on our last episode, the hundredth episode, shared 172 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:24.919 that testimony, yeah, that that man went in there and told her that 173 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.000 he had believe that that was the testimony of Kathleen shared. Maybe, just 174 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.399 maybe, as you were sharing that. Don't yeah, but basically the man 175 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.429 went in told her that we have a family emergency, that got the girl 176 00:11:35.470 --> 00:11:37.389 out. We reason why he did that as because the guy who he wasn't 177 00:11:37.389 --> 00:11:39.870 a love life, cour cities for Life Guy. He was kind of an 178 00:11:39.909 --> 00:11:43.549 independent guy out there by himself. Great Dude, but he called the Guy 179 00:11:43.629 --> 00:11:46.379 Coward. Okay, now, don't think that part of the story did come 180 00:11:46.379 --> 00:11:48.899 out on our back. Not come okay. So that's in. That's what 181 00:11:50.059 --> 00:11:52.659 happened. So he said you're if you're going to allow them to kill your 182 00:11:52.700 --> 00:11:56.539 child, you're a coward, and he said when he got on the mobile 183 00:11:56.580 --> 00:12:00.580 unit. That was part of what got him to go in and get her 184 00:12:00.620 --> 00:12:03.129 out of there, is the fact that he said, you know what I 185 00:12:03.289 --> 00:12:05.730 was thinking about that? That guy said that I'm a coward because I'm not 186 00:12:05.809 --> 00:12:09.490 standing up for my baby, and he's right, yeah, and so he 187 00:12:09.610 --> 00:12:13.169 went in there and got her out. Baby was saved, amazing again, 188 00:12:13.330 --> 00:12:16.639 just because God used that. I don't think it means that we go out 189 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:22.559 on the sidewalk and just constantly calling people cowards. Right. However, biblically 190 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.639 speaking, revelation chapter twenty one, Verse Eight Talks About Cowards. All cowards 191 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.549 will find their part in the lake of fire. Leads out this kind a 192 00:12:30.629 --> 00:12:35.309 list of sins and things that God's going to judge, and being cowardly is 193 00:12:35.309 --> 00:12:39.870 one of those things. So there can be a context for that. If, 194 00:12:39.149 --> 00:12:43.590 specifically the Holy Spirit leads you to that, I think you might could 195 00:12:43.629 --> 00:12:46.899 say that, but I think it's better to lay out a case first and 196 00:12:48.019 --> 00:12:50.580 let them come to the conclusion that they're being a coward, Ram just telling 197 00:12:50.659 --> 00:12:52.980 them, Hey, you're a coward, yeah, and so you can say 198 00:12:54.179 --> 00:12:56.019 things. There are two ways you can go at that. You can, 199 00:12:56.179 --> 00:13:00.330 you know, be laying out the case where it's just painfully obvious they're a 200 00:13:00.409 --> 00:13:03.929 coward. You can go at it from the positive approach and if they're not 201 00:13:05.009 --> 00:13:09.850 too thick headed or hardhearted, this can sometimes be effective, where you are 202 00:13:09.889 --> 00:13:15.480 laying out what a courageous man looks like. Yeah, and are are they? 203 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.080 They will figure out on their own. Do I measure up or not? 204 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.480 Right, yeah, you know. Are you using your strength to protect 205 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.590 RHYMAN and and babies? Have you told her you will do everything you can 206 00:13:26.669 --> 00:13:31.950 in your power to help her? So, so those sort of statements, 207 00:13:31.990 --> 00:13:35.309 I think, can be really, really effective. Yeah, and easier, 208 00:13:35.389 --> 00:13:39.950 I think, for a woman. I will say I tend to personally be 209 00:13:41.820 --> 00:13:48.220 harsher with a man leaving, especially if they're leaving the woman in the abortion 210 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:52.460 center. Yeah, then I am with a woman, right or wrong. 211 00:13:52.539 --> 00:13:56.169 I don't know if that's right or wrong, but that's just my natural inclination. 212 00:13:56.850 --> 00:14:05.450 Is they are. They're just letting this happen and they will be called 213 00:14:05.529 --> 00:14:07.330 to account before God, and that's one of the things I will say. 214 00:14:07.370 --> 00:14:13.039 Yeah, I will talk about what do you think Jesus would have you do, 215 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.679 and what do you do with the verses where where Jesus says we will 216 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.600 be called to account for every action that we've done, both good and an 217 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.230 evil. Yeah, well, what do you think will be his opinion of 218 00:14:26.710 --> 00:14:31.070 this action? And have you done everything possible? Yeah, while that baby 219 00:14:31.149 --> 00:14:35.309 is that alive? Like, one of the dynamics that plays out in these 220 00:14:35.429 --> 00:14:39.620 particular scenarios is that the man in this is this is more often than not 221 00:14:39.740 --> 00:14:43.539 the reaction. It's one of apathy, like not that they don't want her 222 00:14:43.539 --> 00:14:46.500 to have the abortion, that they do wanted to have the abortion. It's 223 00:14:46.539 --> 00:14:48.100 just more like, well, it's her thing and whatever, I'm going to 224 00:14:48.139 --> 00:14:52.500 go have profess that. Mctimes, absolutely I think one of the ways that 225 00:14:52.700 --> 00:14:58.409 I think you can break through that apathy in your conversation with them is to 226 00:14:58.490 --> 00:15:05.730 make it personal for them and to imply, or I guess, drop drop 227 00:15:05.850 --> 00:15:09.879 on their lap, the reality, not just imply it, but bring it 228 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:15.159 to the forefront that that baby is their son or daughter. Yes, just 229 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:20.429 not that baby, not just her baby, your baby, but I think 230 00:15:20.509 --> 00:15:26.309 in particular, using the word father, yeah, that you are the father 231 00:15:26.149 --> 00:15:30.710 of that baby that scheduled to yeah, yeah, that's your son and that's 232 00:15:30.750 --> 00:15:33.509 your daughter and I will just like with the mother's I will call her a 233 00:15:33.629 --> 00:15:35.139 mother, because she is. If she's pregnant, I will call them a 234 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:39.139 father and then I will talk about so one of the questions I asked do 235 00:15:39.220 --> 00:15:43.500 you have other children? So I ask if do you have any other children? 236 00:15:43.539 --> 00:15:48.220 Do you have? If they share, people are often very open about 237 00:15:48.220 --> 00:15:50.289 it. Yeah, I've got a son. He's such a blessing. Yeah, 238 00:15:50.690 --> 00:15:54.049 and I will talk about. Okay, that you were son. Could 239 00:15:54.049 --> 00:15:58.929 you imagine life without them? Did you? Do you remember when your girlfriend 240 00:16:00.009 --> 00:16:03.879 or your wife, who ever bore that child, was pregnant and the struggle? 241 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.919 It was difficult, right, but it was worth it, right, 242 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:08.679 because you have that child in your life as a blessing. Right. Well, 243 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.320 this child that she carries, your son that she carries right now that 244 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.600 you're the father of, is, in the same way, of blessing. 245 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.190 This is your child. So I kind of use what they know to really 246 00:16:19.309 --> 00:16:22.549 bring them into the reality of something they actually don't know, having connected with 247 00:16:22.669 --> 00:16:27.149 and really disconnected them to themselves from yeah, and one of the harssure truths 248 00:16:27.269 --> 00:16:32.070 that you can then continue in that vein is this is what is going to 249 00:16:32.190 --> 00:16:37.139 happen to your son or daughter, do you know right what happens and describe 250 00:16:37.700 --> 00:16:41.419 that your son or your daughter is going to be literally ripped apart limb by 251 00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:47.529 limb. That's, you know, something as if you're encountering apathy. You 252 00:16:47.649 --> 00:16:51.850 kind of it's not said for shock value, but you do want to kind 253 00:16:51.850 --> 00:16:56.529 of shock them into out of that lethargy. Yeah, and into some sort 254 00:16:56.570 --> 00:16:59.529 of action. So one of the things that struck me when you were talking 255 00:16:59.529 --> 00:17:04.480 about using the word coward and then thinking about the apathetic man coming out. 256 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:11.319 Coward is a word that can evoke strong emotions. Should I imagine there's men 257 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.599 that get very angry. Yeah, yeah, I've seen it, so I 258 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.710 know this happens. Yeah, they can get very angry, and maybe that's 259 00:17:18.750 --> 00:17:22.670 a almost a good thing, because at least it's it's moving them out of 260 00:17:22.869 --> 00:17:26.630 just in action. It's a good thing, as long as they don't punch 261 00:17:26.670 --> 00:17:29.869 you in the face. They don't punch you in the face. Yeah, 262 00:17:29.869 --> 00:17:36.940 we got to be careful about trying to keep things from escalating to a point 263 00:17:36.980 --> 00:17:40.900 where anyone is in danger. Yeah, but another done now out of that. 264 00:17:41.180 --> 00:17:45.450 Yeah, let her Chi another donenet dynamic that I see out there which 265 00:17:45.609 --> 00:17:48.529 to me is really just the way the flesh and the devil operate, really 266 00:17:48.569 --> 00:17:53.289 just deceptively, and I know you've heard it thousands of times, where he 267 00:17:53.529 --> 00:17:56.529 pretends, you know, he might stop again in the driveway coming on the 268 00:17:56.609 --> 00:18:02.880 way out and he pretends that really he's sort of apathetic toward the situation. 269 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:04.640 So he might say something to the effect of, well, you know, 270 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.000 I don't want her to have the abortion, but after all it's her body, 271 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.799 her choice, her right or whatever. I'm not doing it. Yeah, 272 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.390 after all, I'm not doing it. It's her doing it right, 273 00:18:14.750 --> 00:18:18.309 and to me that's a really devilish way to handle because if you get then 274 00:18:18.349 --> 00:18:22.549 I've had these situations or these conversations many, many times. I really really 275 00:18:22.589 --> 00:18:26.750 get down to the bottom of it. All he's doing is taking the guilt 276 00:18:26.829 --> 00:18:30.900 that he feels because, after all, he's likely the one that pressured her 277 00:18:30.940 --> 00:18:33.980 to have the abortion. He's likely the one that paid at least some of 278 00:18:33.019 --> 00:18:37.220 the money to have the abortion. So you're trying to make me believe, 279 00:18:37.259 --> 00:18:41.690 young man, that you brought her to the abortions and you drove her here, 280 00:18:41.529 --> 00:18:45.769 you paid the money for her to have the abortion, but you really 281 00:18:47.650 --> 00:18:51.529 it's not your body's not your choice. All you're doing. It's a mechanism 282 00:18:51.609 --> 00:18:53.410 for you to take the guilt that you're your feeling and put it off on 283 00:18:53.490 --> 00:18:56.319 her. And so in those situations that, if I can perceive that's what's 284 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:02.359 going on, I will come down very heavy handedly and I will say God 285 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:04.960 is not deceived by what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, you're taking the 286 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.640 guilt of the thing and you're basically saying my hands are clean because I'm not, 287 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.349 after I'm not the one having the abortion. I want to tell you 288 00:19:11.390 --> 00:19:15.109 your hands are not clean. This is your baby and you need to do 289 00:19:15.309 --> 00:19:18.829 everything you can to get her out of there. Now, you can't drag 290 00:19:18.910 --> 00:19:21.549 her by the hair out of that place, but you need to go in 291 00:19:21.950 --> 00:19:25.019 with this pamphlet in your hand and you need to speak to her and tell 292 00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:27.859 her let's not murder our child. Yeah, that way, and that I'm 293 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:30.740 still put encourage into him. Yeah, but I'm really being forth right and 294 00:19:30.740 --> 00:19:36.980 I'm really confronting that young man in not his ampathy but his active involvement in 295 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:41.210 the murder of his own chil right. And of course we're a gospel centered 296 00:19:41.529 --> 00:19:47.730 ministry and so whenever it is the right time, which is most of the 297 00:19:47.809 --> 00:19:51.170 time, we give them scripture, you give them the word of God. 298 00:19:51.289 --> 00:19:55.160 What is what does the word say? And one of my favorites when I 299 00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.480 have someone tell me it's her body, her choice. I'm not the one 300 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.960 murdering, you know I'm it. It's not my issue, it's hers. 301 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:11.309 Is is proverbs twenty four, eleven to twelve. So I'm going to read 302 00:20:11.349 --> 00:20:15.549 that delivered those who are being taken away to death and those who are staggering 303 00:20:15.670 --> 00:20:18.710 to slaughter. Hold them back. If you say, see, we did 304 00:20:18.950 --> 00:20:23.099 not knows know this, does he not consider it? Who weighs the hearts 305 00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:26.859 and does he not know it? Who keeps your soul, and will he 306 00:20:27.059 --> 00:20:32.539 not render to man according to his work? So God perceives it. God 307 00:20:32.740 --> 00:20:37.529 knows what you have done. God knows whether you have done everything in your 308 00:20:37.569 --> 00:20:41.569 power to rescue those being led away to death. Have you done everything in 309 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:45.410 your power to rescue that child being left way to death? And for you 310 00:20:45.529 --> 00:20:51.480 to say I knew nothing about it, that's just not true. Yeah, 311 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:56.079 God debt that that verse tells you. Does Not he perceive it? Yeah, 312 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.079 who holds the universe in his hand? You're not. You're not fooling 313 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.319 God. You are not fooling God, you are just deceiving yourself. Yeah, 314 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.549 and you will be called to account and God does see this. And 315 00:21:07.750 --> 00:21:12.750 and so then telling him you until you have, until that baby's dead, 316 00:21:14.589 --> 00:21:18.549 you should not be fleeing from that place. Yeah, because you could still 317 00:21:18.660 --> 00:21:23.539 influence and change the outcome your son or daughter. Yeah, a couple of 318 00:21:23.619 --> 00:21:27.299 things I want to mention in this vein and when we're talking about the fathers 319 00:21:27.339 --> 00:21:30.660 especially, but any of the support people. Yeah, we've trained, and 320 00:21:30.740 --> 00:21:34.609 if you've gone through our training you know this where we really talk about that 321 00:21:34.890 --> 00:21:41.329 mother is actually the judge, like weird advocate. We're a lawyer back pleading 322 00:21:41.450 --> 00:21:45.289 on behalf of that baby. We're pleading a case like that. That baby 323 00:21:45.450 --> 00:21:48.440 is on trial, even though it he or she has done nothing wrong. 324 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.440 That baby's on trial. Yeah, and where that baby's lawyer. And so 325 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:52.880 we use the three talking points, you know, all of that stuff, 326 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.920 as as evidence, right, of why that baby doesn't deserve to die. 327 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:02.029 We're appealing to the judge. That mother is the judge. The abortionist is 328 00:22:02.109 --> 00:22:04.750 not the judge. The abortionist is the executioner in this, in this analogy, 329 00:22:06.349 --> 00:22:08.470 the mother is the judge, and so we're appealing to her. So 330 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.990 we use evidence like fetal development, ultrasound. Will use, obviously, what 331 00:22:14.109 --> 00:22:17.460 God says is word, as evidence that this baby doesn't deserve to die. 332 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:21.339 The resources that are available. You guys know the three talking points, but 333 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:26.059 we can also call witnesses. Okay, and one of the greatest witnesses to 334 00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:30.970 have up on the stand to help us plead a case to that judge is 335 00:22:32.049 --> 00:22:36.170 the father of the baby. So if you can win him over in a 336 00:22:36.250 --> 00:22:37.730 conversation, this is why we need to be careful. Yes, there are 337 00:22:37.769 --> 00:22:41.690 times we need to confront you guys just heard what I said about confronting cowardice 338 00:22:41.730 --> 00:22:45.279 and all of that other stuff. But we really need to be careful because 339 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.039 if we can build a relationship with him and if we can put courage in 340 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.359 him, then we can likely influence the judge. Right, if we can 341 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.079 get a pamphlet in his hand and get him to go inside the abortion center 342 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:00.069 and talk to her. What he has to say, and I'll say this 343 00:23:00.230 --> 00:23:04.309 to the men, one sentence from you is worth tenzero words from me right. 344 00:23:04.710 --> 00:23:07.109 As a matter of fact, statistics have kind of bore this out and 345 00:23:07.150 --> 00:23:11.670 there's a statistic flying out around out there and haven't been able to pin out 346 00:23:11.789 --> 00:23:15.140 where it really comes from, but I'm I'm pretty sure it's accurate and it's 347 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:21.019 basically about ninety percent of the women that have an abortion said eighty to ninety 348 00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:25.180 percent said that if the man would take responsibility for the baby, she wouldn't 349 00:23:25.180 --> 00:23:29.250 have the abortion. So that kind of speaks to the father's involvement in the 350 00:23:29.289 --> 00:23:33.009 abortion decision. Whether he's a pathetic or actively involved, passively involved, whatever, 351 00:23:34.450 --> 00:23:37.410 his voice does matter and if we can win him over as the attorney 352 00:23:37.410 --> 00:23:41.519 for that baby and have him as a witness on our side, yeah, 353 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.960 pleading the case to the judge, it could likely influence the judge. Yeah, 354 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.160 and I don't know the exact statistics, but I will say from experience 355 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.640 that is absolutely true. There was a mom on board the RV today that 356 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.589 the father the baby was pressuring her to abort and I said, well, 357 00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:02.750 how did that make you feel? Now she was coming, he wasn't and 358 00:24:02.990 --> 00:24:07.029 he didn't even know she was there. She was coming to abort and she 359 00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:11.500 was determined to abort. But when I said how did that make you feel, 360 00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:15.819 when the father said that the father of the baby and she said bad. 361 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:19.819 Yeah, it made her feel bad. That's what I hear. Even 362 00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:26.730 for the women who are abortion determined, at the root so often of that 363 00:24:26.930 --> 00:24:32.650 determination is a man has said go kill our child. Yeah, and so 364 00:24:32.769 --> 00:24:37.009 in the way that you phrased it, you were again empowering him. Look 365 00:24:37.089 --> 00:24:41.720 at what an influence you have. You can influence her for good, yeah, 366 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.680 not for evil, not for destruction. Yeah, and so you're feeding 367 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:51.640 courage into him in a very positive way. That influences good. You can 368 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:56.269 influence her. Yeah, in the same way when you're dealing with like parents 369 00:24:56.549 --> 00:24:59.349 that have brought their daughter, their father and mother, their brother daughter there 370 00:24:59.430 --> 00:25:03.430 for an abortion, or a friend, family member, even sometimes an uber 371 00:25:03.470 --> 00:25:07.819 driver, somebody that has their trust that we might not have at that moment. 372 00:25:07.940 --> 00:25:11.140 That moment, right, we're just that Weirdo out on the sidewalk. 373 00:25:11.259 --> 00:25:14.660 Yeah, if we can win that person over, yeah, that person then 374 00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:18.700 becomes a witness on behalf of that baby. Yeah, and we can we 375 00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:23.450 can leverage that and and help influence the judge, the mother, yeah, 376 00:25:23.650 --> 00:25:27.609 to let that baby go free. Yeah. So you're making a great case 377 00:25:29.009 --> 00:25:33.890 for why we need to really be relational. Yeah, and and build hope 378 00:25:33.250 --> 00:25:40.519 and courage in that man. But there are times when they just are not 379 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:44.920 having it and and they are they are still determined. They're just going to 380 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.799 they will off in lie while be right back. Yeah, what do you 381 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.190 say in that case when that, when they've left her, no abortionist is 382 00:25:51.230 --> 00:25:52.829 going to be there any minut at right. So they say this, this 383 00:25:52.910 --> 00:25:56.390 is a good point, and this is what kind of want to just focus 384 00:25:56.509 --> 00:26:00.309 on just for a second here. Is Because I've seen this play out. 385 00:26:00.509 --> 00:26:04.059 Yeah, we're the guys coming out of the parking lot or even you know, 386 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:08.019 he's walked out on the sidewalk and where there were talking to him, 387 00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:14.380 and I've seen counselors, and I've probably done it myself, go on endlessly. 388 00:26:14.420 --> 00:26:17.500 Right, and because he wants to debate and he wants to justify himself, 389 00:26:17.539 --> 00:26:21.369 he wants to claim, you know, innocence and no involvement in this 390 00:26:21.529 --> 00:26:23.410 thing, or he wants to talk about whatever. I mean, I've had 391 00:26:23.490 --> 00:26:27.009 guys talk about anything under the Sun to really just shrug off the guilt of 392 00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:30.609 they're feeling. Hey, but we have to understand there's a sense of urgency. 393 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:36.000 Right, was that mother WHO's pregnant? I will have a conversation with 394 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.599 her for four hours if I can write, because I know she's not going 395 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.160 in here. She's not any abortions. I'll have a conversation that will keep 396 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:45.599 right out of there. If she wants to keep talking, I'll talk about 397 00:26:47.309 --> 00:26:51.430 whatever. I don't care. Yeah, but with him there's a sense of 398 00:26:51.509 --> 00:26:53.670 urgency. Yeah, and so if he's out there on the sidewalk talking to 399 00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:56.630 me and he wants to talk about anything under the Sun, I'm always going 400 00:26:56.670 --> 00:27:00.859 to bring the conversation back around to but your girlfriends in there, your wife 401 00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:03.859 is in there and your baby's about to die. So please go in there 402 00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:06.819 and get her out of there and then we can talk about all these other 403 00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:08.819 things. So he might want to talk about evolution, he might want to 404 00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:14.460 talk about, I mean Rastafarian Ismm I had a guy talk to one of 405 00:27:14.500 --> 00:27:17.809 the talk to me about Rastafarian is him and all babies being murdered in the 406 00:27:17.890 --> 00:27:21.690 baying in there right. All of it's around him trying to justify his self 407 00:27:21.809 --> 00:27:25.450 and not doing anything. Yeah, and so you they want to talk about, 408 00:27:25.730 --> 00:27:29.170 whatever it might be, conspiracy theories and all kinds of weird stuff. 409 00:27:29.170 --> 00:27:33.960 I will always bring the conversation back around there to them going in and getting 410 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.279 her out and when they're about to pull out and there I'm just going to 411 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:38.400 go up to here, to the store, I'm going to go up to 412 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.319 McDonald. I'll be right back. Yeah, I will stress that there's not 413 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:45.990 time for you to be right back. You need to go in there and 414 00:27:47.029 --> 00:27:49.150 get her out of there. Please understand the gravity of what's going on. 415 00:27:49.589 --> 00:27:53.069 So what I want to communicate as I want to communicate urgency, yes, 416 00:27:53.390 --> 00:27:57.859 I want to communicate the gravity of the situation, and I want to communicate 417 00:27:59.059 --> 00:28:03.380 his ability to change the situation. Right. So I want to urgency, 418 00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:08.220 gravity and his ability to communicate to her in such a way that I cannot 419 00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:11.259 write. So I want to get him and so I will say specifically, 420 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:15.970 just cut a you turn right here, go back in there, talk to 421 00:28:17.089 --> 00:28:19.490 her and then all you can all you can do, is try right now. 422 00:28:19.529 --> 00:28:22.970 I will I will reiterate that because I don't want to put an undue 423 00:28:23.009 --> 00:28:27.440 guilt on them, like if they're if they do and genuinely try to get 424 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.839 her out of there and she doesn't come out, what else can you do? 425 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.200 That's right, you know. Yeah, and so I will encourage them 426 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.279 with that you go in, just give her this pamphlet and I'll try to 427 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.309 make it very simple. Just give her this pamphlet, just tell her. 428 00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.589 You don't even have to tell her anything, but these people on the sidewalk 429 00:28:45.630 --> 00:28:47.990 want to talk to you. That's all you need to do. Can you 430 00:28:48.029 --> 00:28:52.069 do that? Yeah, and I have watched men, after I encourage them, 431 00:28:52.589 --> 00:28:56.180 walk into the abortion center five ten minutes later, walk out with her 432 00:28:56.259 --> 00:29:00.740 girlfriend holding her hand, and all she was waiting for is for them to 433 00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:03.660 walk for that boyfriend that has been to walk back into that abortion center and 434 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:07.220 say we don't have to do this. That tried, and I do believe 435 00:29:07.339 --> 00:29:11.089 that that is true for many, many of the women, women that they 436 00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:17.089 are just waiting. Will he be the man that God designed him to be? 437 00:29:17.210 --> 00:29:21.049 In that I think women long for a strong man, yeah, who 438 00:29:21.089 --> 00:29:26.720 will defend them and their child. Yeah. So I like also how you 439 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:32.799 gave even in the specificity of just make a you turn. They have, 440 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:41.109 they have sometimes, in their own chaotic mess and deception, just a simple 441 00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:48.269 bit of advice like make a you turn, give them a a plan, 442 00:29:48.710 --> 00:29:55.140 yeah, is sometimes so in invaluable. Yeah, because they just sometimes they 443 00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.220 truly do feel like I've done all I knew to do. Some of them 444 00:29:57.299 --> 00:30:02.579 honestly do feel like they've done all they they knew to do, and so 445 00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:07.650 we are giving them more specifics, and those are the times when I feel 446 00:30:07.690 --> 00:30:10.410 like it's a man that's fought. Sometimes you will talk to a man who 447 00:30:10.450 --> 00:30:14.650 has indicated, and I sort of believe in that he has fought to some 448 00:30:14.809 --> 00:30:19.410 degree for that child. Then giving them new ammunition is is what I will 449 00:30:19.450 --> 00:30:22.400 try to speak into them, and that's we're talking about. Well, do 450 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.720 you know what happens to how far long is? She's said ten weeks. 451 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.319 Do you know that a ten week baby has detectable brain waves? Does your 452 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.960 girlfriend know that? Does she know that baby has ten fingers and ten toes 453 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.349 with unique little fingerprints? Yeah, and that that little baby's going to be 454 00:30:37.430 --> 00:30:41.269 ripped apart limb by limb? Does she know that? Maybe if you went 455 00:30:41.390 --> 00:30:45.230 and told her that and said we can't let that happen to our child. 456 00:30:45.950 --> 00:30:48.029 So if they have, have said I don't know what else to say, 457 00:30:48.269 --> 00:30:52.339 and sometimes they will say that. Yeah, that's when I think it's important 458 00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:59.339 give them specifics, know the specifics of abortion, of fetal development, sometimes, 459 00:30:59.420 --> 00:31:02.859 of the resources. Yeah, and and tell them now, go in 460 00:31:03.019 --> 00:31:06.130 and say, say those things. You don't see if those will help. 461 00:31:06.170 --> 00:31:08.569 Yeah, and I think, like I mentioned, putting a pamphlet in their 462 00:31:08.609 --> 00:31:11.089 hands. Yeah, just go in there, don't say a word and give 463 00:31:11.130 --> 00:31:14.930 her this pamphlet. Now's our pamphlet. Says all that. But you do 464 00:31:15.089 --> 00:31:17.769 have to be careful because, at least at our facility, we have said 465 00:31:17.769 --> 00:31:19.400 that and they will snatch it out of their hand. Yeah, I was 466 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.960 going to tell them, okay, I'm sure, yes, stick in your 467 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.400 back pockets, out and you're sure to something like that. To go on 468 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.839 there hander this pamphlet. Yeah, we don't have to do this, or 469 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.150 those people outside want to talk to you. You want to empower you want 470 00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:37.269 to encourage them against thinking of that kind of analogy, of they're a witness 471 00:31:37.710 --> 00:31:41.109 on behalf of their baby, yeah, of why their baby doesn't deserve to 472 00:31:41.190 --> 00:31:45.509 die. And it could be, and this is what I'll say to the 473 00:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.700 man, it could be that she's in that abortion clinic right now and she's 474 00:31:48.819 --> 00:31:52.740 praying for a sign and she says, God, if you don't want me 475 00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:56.420 to have this abortion, then send whatever his name is back in there and 476 00:31:56.420 --> 00:31:59.019 I'll try to get their name with the man. I'll certainly try to get 477 00:31:59.059 --> 00:32:02.609 their name and use their name encourage them to go in there. And again, 478 00:32:04.049 --> 00:32:07.089 I want to give them enough information to empower them to go in and 479 00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:13.130 do something, but not so much information where I'm provoking a lengthy conversation. 480 00:32:13.569 --> 00:32:15.240 So I'm not. Yeah, I'll get into field development. I'll get into 481 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.759 it very minimally give them the fact that they need to know right. But 482 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.799 I do want to stress fatherhood and the fact that their child is their son 483 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.519 or daughter and that they need to do something about it now, go do 484 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.359 it. That's basically it. Yeah, you're the father that baby. That 485 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.950 baby deserves your protection. She's waiting for you possibly to come in and speak 486 00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:36.430 to her and encourage her to do the right thing. So go in and 487 00:32:36.430 --> 00:32:37.430 do it. Yeah, yeah, I want to stress. Get me chills 488 00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:43.589 when you said she might be praying right now for a sign. And can 489 00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:45.380 you imagine be and they tell us all the time they are. Yeah, 490 00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:49.380 we hear that so much from the women. Can you imagine being that woman 491 00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:53.940 and all of a sudden your boyfriend bust through the door with an and sometimes 492 00:32:54.019 --> 00:32:58.569 with all the workers chasten after him? Say Baby, go back there, 493 00:32:58.650 --> 00:33:02.049 can you imagine the impact of that on that woman? She sees her hero, 494 00:33:02.329 --> 00:33:06.170 she sees her night. Yeah, you know, in shining armor of 495 00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:08.529 hearing, just in the brink of time. It said. It is really 496 00:33:08.569 --> 00:33:13.519 an effective, I think. Yeah, vision for you to paint for them. 497 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.079 Now there are times when you've done all that and they still say thanks, 498 00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:21.759 I gotta go. Yeah, and they and and there there is one 499 00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.160 last thing. We've talked about this before. We always offer to pray. 500 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.869 Yeah, yeah, we'll do that. And depending on again, the the 501 00:33:30.869 --> 00:33:35.750 the urgency, and if I know the abortionist is about to get there, 502 00:33:36.069 --> 00:33:37.789 I might not even pray with them. I might just send them on in 503 00:33:37.829 --> 00:33:39.789 there with a pamphlet in their hand and say get her out of there. 504 00:33:39.829 --> 00:33:43.019 Well, what if I know they're saying now? What if they say it? 505 00:33:43.660 --> 00:33:45.740 Thank you. That's been all great advice and see you later, buddy. 506 00:33:45.740 --> 00:33:47.940 Yeah, and they're going to drive. But either way, if if 507 00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:51.500 I feel there's time, I will pray. I like, if I'm going 508 00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:52.460 to send him in there he's willing to go, I'm going to pray and 509 00:33:52.539 --> 00:33:55.289 just pray courage into him, give him the strength. But in that scenario 510 00:33:55.289 --> 00:33:59.250 where they're just apathetic and they're keep driving. I will offer to pray with 511 00:33:59.289 --> 00:34:01.170 them, yeah, and really pray at their yeah, right, right, 512 00:34:01.410 --> 00:34:04.529 Lord, I pray that you would help this young man to see that his 513 00:34:04.650 --> 00:34:07.210 baby is precious, that you love his baby and that you want to give 514 00:34:07.210 --> 00:34:10.519 him the courage that it takes to go in there and get his girlfriend out 515 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.559 of that place and save his baby. So give this young man the courage 516 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.039 to do that, help him to be the man that you've called him to 517 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:20.800 be and help him to know God that he is guilty of the murder of 518 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.559 this child if he doesn't do something. So I'll pray something like that. 519 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.590 I'm lay it on. Memorize the whole case and laid it out, but 520 00:34:27.710 --> 00:34:30.789 in your prayer. Yeah, and so those words, even if he does 521 00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:34.630 drive away, you know, those words don't return for yeah, right, 522 00:34:34.710 --> 00:34:37.190 there they're. They're in his head as he's driving up to McDonald's for his 523 00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:40.460 coffee. Yeah, and he's thinking of what you've said. Yeah, and 524 00:34:40.780 --> 00:34:45.980 hopefully it's not too late when and if he does return. Yeah. Now 525 00:34:45.980 --> 00:34:49.300 I'll share one story, and I think, as far as I'm concerned, 526 00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:52.219 we're we can wrap this podcast up, I think. Yeah, it's been 527 00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:55.730 good but there was one encouraging story. Okay, now, you guys take 528 00:34:55.849 --> 00:35:00.489 this for whatever it is, but this guy's actually my hero, okay, 529 00:35:00.570 --> 00:35:02.530 one of my heroes, and I'm not saying we encourage people to do this. 530 00:35:02.650 --> 00:35:05.730 This guy kind of did this on his own. But at the HEBROWN 531 00:35:05.769 --> 00:35:10.280 abortion clinic some years ago, probably ten years ago or so, there was 532 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.440 a man his girlfriend actually came to the Hebron abortion clinic to kill his baby. 533 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.199 He knew that she was pregnant. He didn't want her to have the 534 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:21.829 abortion. She went kind of slipped out of the house or whatever, went 535 00:35:21.869 --> 00:35:24.630 to the abortion clinic and somehow he found out through one of her friends or 536 00:35:24.670 --> 00:35:29.269 something like that, that she was at the abortion clinic and he actually rolled 537 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:31.750 up at the abortion clinic, found out she was in there and went talked 538 00:35:31.789 --> 00:35:36.019 with some of the sidewalk people that are out there and they didn't encourage him 539 00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:38.260 to do anything violent or anything like that, right, but they were encouraging 540 00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:40.860 him that you can go in there, you can speak with her. Well, 541 00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:44.659 they wouldn't let him in to go and talk to her, so he 542 00:35:44.780 --> 00:35:47.380 went around back and kick the back door open. Oh Wow, yeah, 543 00:35:47.739 --> 00:35:51.849 the back door open, got her out of there and he didn't drag her 544 00:35:51.849 --> 00:35:53.250 out or anything, but he he gave her a stern, you know, 545 00:35:53.769 --> 00:35:58.769 rebuke. The police ended up showing up and they rested him and all that 546 00:35:58.889 --> 00:36:01.690 stuff they did. They did arrest him, yeah, because he damaged property, 547 00:36:01.769 --> 00:36:06.559 broke the door down. Okay, but guess what, she's girlfriend didn't 548 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.119 kill their baby babies. Life was safe because that man was a hero. 549 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.199 That guy is my hero. He's one of my hero is. Like that 550 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.590 dude did what most of these men would never do. Right. Most of 551 00:36:19.590 --> 00:36:22.510 these men wouldn't even squeak out in their voices don't have this abortion right. 552 00:36:22.789 --> 00:36:27.469 But that guy actually took action. Now, I'm not encouraging violence and people 553 00:36:27.469 --> 00:36:31.429 kicking downdoors, but man, that story, it's just just is awesome to 554 00:36:31.510 --> 00:36:35.860 me. His baby was saying it because of it. That shows the power 555 00:36:36.179 --> 00:36:42.619 of a man who really sees the value. Yeah, of think about that 556 00:36:43.059 --> 00:36:45.420 child. Think about that kid, and I don't know if that kid has 557 00:36:45.460 --> 00:36:49.090 that story shared, but if I was that kid, if that do was 558 00:36:49.170 --> 00:36:52.050 my father, yeah, I would look up to that knowing what dad did 559 00:36:52.289 --> 00:36:55.690 to save my life. Yeah, just and and you know, that's a 560 00:36:55.809 --> 00:37:00.489 great story. Do you tell that to dad's as I sure counsel, but 561 00:37:00.570 --> 00:37:02.039 I'm careful with that because I don't want to encourage them to go. Yeah, 562 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.920 I don't want to be part of that. I mean, if they 563 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.639 do it, I'm not sad, right, but I'm not going to encourage 564 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.280 it. Yeah, that because I'm not going to be part of yeah, 565 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:14.920 them getting arrested and things like that. Yeah. So it just encouraging story, 566 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.389 kind of like a one of those stories I like to bring out every 567 00:37:17.429 --> 00:37:21.670 once in a while and just share with people what what a man could do, 568 00:37:22.070 --> 00:37:23.750 yeah, to protect the life, of his power, of the of 569 00:37:23.829 --> 00:37:29.070 a father. And so many of these young men don't have fathers or if 570 00:37:29.269 --> 00:37:32.619 they have absent father's, they don't have great role models and sometimes, honestly, 571 00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:37.739 the man at the that's a sidewalk counselor is going to be that role 572 00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:40.380 model. Yeah, that can tell them this is what a man can do 573 00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:45.650 and can be. Yeah, that's true. It. So with that, 574 00:37:45.809 --> 00:37:50.809 guys, we appreciate you listening and we appreciate you, guys reaching out to 575 00:37:50.889 --> 00:37:53.769 us with any suggestions of future podcast that we can do. We love to 576 00:37:53.849 --> 00:37:58.409 cover whatever subjects. Will be a blessing to you we have folks that are 577 00:37:58.449 --> 00:38:00.239 within our circles, within love life, reaching out and saying hey, could 578 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.280 you guys cover this or cover that? And so we certainly will listen to 579 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.400 those folks that reach out. 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