Ministering To Fathers

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.710Lord, I am yours. Iwelcome to the Gospel Center prayer life300:00:10.750 --> 00:00:13.910podcast. This episode we're going totalk about how to Minister to Father's at400:00:13.949 --> 00:00:16.870the abortion center, how to encouragethem to go in and get their girlfriend500:00:16.870 --> 00:00:19.789out of there so that their babieslife can be saved. Stay tuned.600:00:20.149 --> 00:00:31.820Me, Lord, I felt showPassish, touch your heart. Use.700:00:34.539 --> 00:00:38.929Welcome to the Gospel centered prayer lifepodcast. We appreciate you guys listening as800:00:39.049 --> 00:00:44.250always, and we would appreciate,as always, if you guys would share900:00:44.289 --> 00:00:47.570this podcast with other people. 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But yeah, we well, listen, we prepare, we produce2000:01:26.540 --> 00:01:30.379these pods cast to be a blessingto you, to train and to equip2100:01:30.500 --> 00:01:36.730you. And really what we dois we screw up, we learn from2200:01:36.769 --> 00:01:38.689our screw ups, MMM, andwe try to teach you not to screw2300:01:38.689 --> 00:01:42.930up like we did. That's right. So that's what this thing is all2400:01:42.969 --> 00:01:47.280about. So learning from you canlearn from our mistakes. You know what2500:01:47.400 --> 00:01:51.239we they say a wise man learnsfrom his mistakes, right, but I2600:01:51.359 --> 00:01:55.840think it even wiser man learns fromother people's mistakes. Yeah, think about2700:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.439it. It's rare. It is. I see it's rare. We often2800:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.200want to just make our own mistakes. Yeah, you ever notice that?2900:02:00.469 --> 00:02:04.230I did notice that. I've noticedthat my own life. But by God's3000:02:04.269 --> 00:02:07.269grace, you guys get to benefitfrom our mistakes and us, by God's3100:02:07.310 --> 00:02:09.629grace, learning from those mistakes.We're not going to be talking about making3200:02:09.710 --> 00:02:14.229mistakes here, although we'll probably makea few as we get through this podcast3300:02:14.349 --> 00:02:17.020and I have to edit them outso they'll never know, you'll never know,3400:02:17.500 --> 00:02:21.939but we do make mistakes, butwe're going to jump into the subject3500:02:22.300 --> 00:02:24.939and probably, I would say,in some context, in some measure,3600:02:25.180 --> 00:02:30.129we've touched on this. We've coveredsome things that would help you in this3700:02:30.289 --> 00:02:35.330area. But I think we're goingto focus in particular on ministering to support3800:02:35.370 --> 00:02:38.569people at the abortion center, that's, people that have come brought their friend,3900:02:38.610 --> 00:02:43.810their girlfriend, family member for anabortion, and particular we're going to4000:02:43.849 --> 00:02:47.280talk about the fathers that are bringingtheir girlfriends to the abortion center and in4100:02:47.520 --> 00:02:51.520particular one of the things we wantto touch on, because there's a lot4200:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.199of ways in which you would ministerto a father, for example, pull4300:02:53.280 --> 00:02:57.680and into the driveway bringing her.Initially she's in the passenger's seat, he's4400:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.949in the driver re seat or viceversa. But in particular we're going to4500:03:00.990 --> 00:03:05.310touch on he's pulling out, andwe actually did a few weeks ago to4600:03:05.509 --> 00:03:09.430mock sessions in a podcast. Thefirst mock session was me minister to you4700:03:09.590 --> 00:03:13.219as you were a mom going tothe abortion center. In the second one4800:03:13.340 --> 00:03:15.979was you ministering to me as Iwas a dad pulling out. So there's4900:03:15.979 --> 00:03:19.900a little bit of an example,right, but not every you know,5000:03:19.979 --> 00:03:23.460not every conversation is the same.So we're going to talk about some general5100:03:23.500 --> 00:03:25.300principles to do with that, howto minister to these DADS, how to5200:03:25.379 --> 00:03:30.250ministers to support people that. Thesame principles, I think, apply to5300:03:30.370 --> 00:03:35.370a mother that has brought her daughterto the abortion center and family member or5400:03:35.810 --> 00:03:38.050a friend. We've seen that alot. So we're going to talk about5500:03:38.050 --> 00:03:40.680that. Yeah, yeah, thereare some things definitely that I would say5600:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.560to a dad that I would notsay to a different kind of supportions.5700:03:45.879 --> 00:03:50.199Yeah, but but this this actuallyarose because it was a specific question by5800:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.879one of our sideback missionaries. Hey, I need some help that. She5900:03:53.000 --> 00:03:58.830said. This is what she faltersin and she sees it all the time6000:03:59.550 --> 00:04:03.590and I thought it was interesting.She said, for example, offering help6100:04:04.310 --> 00:04:11.139to especially the MOMS seems to bevery effective. Sure, but she said6200:04:11.180 --> 00:04:15.460she's not finding that to be thecase with DAD's. Yeah, and said6300:04:15.460 --> 00:04:20.339I wonder. I wonder if it'sbecause they just it's a Mucho kind of6400:04:20.500 --> 00:04:28.129thing and I was thinking about that. They probably know their failure they have6500:04:28.529 --> 00:04:33.689not supported this woman in some way. Yeah, so that she feels secure6600:04:33.730 --> 00:04:38.410and choosing life. Yeah, andso I think there is an element of6700:04:38.569 --> 00:04:41.959pride when they hear, Hey,we can help you, and maybe Daniel,6800:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.240you know, you're a man.I'm not. So maybe I'm going6900:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.959to use them. Maybe, maybeI'm wrong about this, but I'm just7000:04:46.120 --> 00:04:50.319wondering. Does it is that likea sore spot if you raise that to7100:04:50.439 --> 00:04:54.110a man and say hey, we'vegot help, she doesn't need to do7200:04:54.230 --> 00:04:57.990this, we can help. Isit in does he here? I'm not7300:04:58.149 --> 00:05:00.790helping? Yeah, I mean there'sa couple of things going on. And7400:05:01.230 --> 00:05:04.949men that come to an abortion centercome with all kinds of mindsets. There's7500:05:04.990 --> 00:05:09.379varying mindsets. You've encountered it,where they don't want to have the abortion7600:05:09.899 --> 00:05:14.180and so they're there. We've evenhad him come but by themselves. Their7700:05:14.220 --> 00:05:15.980girlfriend came to the abortion center,drove herself there and they come after her7800:05:16.259 --> 00:05:18.420in their own vehicle trying to gether out of there. So we've had7900:05:18.500 --> 00:05:21.009that happy as well. Yeah,and then of course we've had the men8000:05:21.129 --> 00:05:26.449like almost literally dragging the woman intothe abortion so and anything in between.8100:05:27.250 --> 00:05:30.009But got understand too, that thisis this is a situation in which the8200:05:30.129 --> 00:05:34.410devil has inserted himself right. Sothere's a lot of confusion, there's a8300:05:34.449 --> 00:05:39.759lot of fear there's a lot ofanxiety, there's a lot of just chaos8400:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.680going on in that situation. Soyou've got to cut through that as best8500:05:43.680 --> 00:05:45.639you can. How you do that? You do that with the truth.8600:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.149But I will say that kind ofin a big picture way. We have8700:05:50.189 --> 00:05:58.670to understand as a society in Americawe have so demeaned manhood and it's been8800:05:58.790 --> 00:06:02.029perverted. Certainly, you know thisidea of tossed toxic masculinity or whatever.8900:06:02.149 --> 00:06:06.100That's kind of like a pendulum swingreaction to where it is bad to be9000:06:06.180 --> 00:06:10.660a man now. Used to beit was like you got to be a9100:06:10.699 --> 00:06:13.699rough man, never cry, andthat sort of so it's like this pendulum9200:06:13.740 --> 00:06:16.819swing thing, the pendul on theswinging toward just really emasculinating men. Yeah,9300:06:16.899 --> 00:06:21.610there men aren't aren't being men,men aren't encouraged to be men.9400:06:21.970 --> 00:06:25.889A lot of men, especially theones that we encounter at the abortion center,9500:06:25.930 --> 00:06:28.970don't know what it is to bea man right. So one of9600:06:29.009 --> 00:06:30.810the things that I want to dowhen I'm talking to a man at the9700:06:30.850 --> 00:06:35.399abortion center is I want to asI gave a couple of weeks ago,9800:06:35.480 --> 00:06:41.160I want to put courage into him. What is if he was courageous,9900:06:41.199 --> 00:06:45.800if he had courage and he trulybecause I've encountered men who would say,10000:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.189and I believe them, I don'twant her to have the abortion, but10100:06:48.350 --> 00:06:51.670you drove her here right. Youknow, what does that say? What10200:06:51.829 --> 00:06:57.029says to me He's a coward.Yeah, he won't stand up and he10300:06:57.189 --> 00:07:00.589won't stand for righteousness and he won'tstand for his child. He's I may10400:07:00.629 --> 00:07:03.180have had men literally weeping, andI believe that their tears are genuine,10500:07:03.500 --> 00:07:08.180in front of the abortion center,in their vehicle on the way out or10600:07:08.220 --> 00:07:11.139whatever. Yeah, balling their eyesout because they don't want to have the10700:07:11.180 --> 00:07:14.540abortion. And yet they drove herthere. And I asked them, why10800:07:14.540 --> 00:07:16.529did you drive her here? Well, I didn't feel I hid any other10900:07:16.529 --> 00:07:19.449choice. I mean, it's herdecision, her, you know, she's11000:07:19.490 --> 00:07:21.610got to deal with the pregnancy andall this other stuff. And I'm like,11100:07:21.730 --> 00:07:26.889listen, you're a man, Godhas given you charge and this is11200:07:27.170 --> 00:07:29.689kind of me giving you guys.Here's what I would say to him and11300:07:29.769 --> 00:07:31.639and it depends. I'll try toread the situation best I can based on11400:07:31.639 --> 00:07:34.839the interactions with this guy, butI want to put courage into him and11500:07:35.120 --> 00:07:39.079I don't just want to say you'rea coward, which I think can be11600:07:39.199 --> 00:07:43.920said and can be effective given theright context timing with that. But I11700:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.709really want to put courage into him. And so if I have a brief11800:07:46.990 --> 00:07:49.750conversation with a man who's dropped hisgirlfriend off at the abortion center, he's11900:07:49.790 --> 00:07:54.509pulling out and he's balling his eyesout, or he's, you know,12000:07:54.870 --> 00:07:58.350glazed of whatever, you know,whatever's going on. Yeah, I want12100:07:58.350 --> 00:08:01.939to speak courage into him. Yeah, I want to give him courage to12200:08:01.060 --> 00:08:05.620say, not only should you,but you can go in there and get12300:08:05.740 --> 00:08:07.740out. So I'm going to givemy opinion. You should do this,12400:08:09.339 --> 00:08:11.300but I want to empower him toknow that you can listen, you can12500:08:11.420 --> 00:08:16.050walk in that abortion center and youcan have this Pamplin in your hand and12600:08:16.129 --> 00:08:18.610you can tell her we don't needto do this. Yeah, so that's12700:08:18.649 --> 00:08:22.410one of your specifics that you're goingto tell them. You're literally given the12800:08:22.490 --> 00:08:26.480plan of Action. You can goin there, you can have the pamphlet,12900:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.360you can tell her you don't needto do this. Yeah, and13000:08:31.480 --> 00:08:37.360I want to use words that reallyaffirm biblical manhood, HMM, like protect.13100:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.320You can go in there, andyou can protect your child, right,13200:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.389yeah, you can support her andcarrying this pregnancy. You can,13300:08:43.509 --> 00:08:46.990I'll use the word, you canbe a hero. I'll use that word.13400:08:48.110 --> 00:08:50.629That, I think is one ofthe most effective positive statements you can13500:08:50.669 --> 00:08:54.029make, because we all want tobe heroes, we do. You can13600:08:54.070 --> 00:08:58.500save a child's life. Is anotherthing along along those lines. You can13700:08:58.539 --> 00:09:01.379save your baby's life. You canbe a hero to that woman. Now13800:09:01.500 --> 00:09:07.539to the into now, I dothink that, especially for women speaking to13900:09:07.700 --> 00:09:11.850men, that whole what I justtalked about the whole kind of societal thing14000:09:13.049 --> 00:09:18.450of really making manhood just a terriblething and kind of just deflated men,14100:09:18.649 --> 00:09:22.250and even TV shows make men lookjust like a bunch of googers and all14200:09:22.289 --> 00:09:26.240this other stuff. And so,with that being kind of in society and14300:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.200kind of what a lot of ourmen have been brought up and trained with14400:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.799it, manhood is just been pervertedto be something it's not and manhood is14500:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.519terrible and wrong or whatever. Youhave to be careful as a woman speaking14600:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.149into that. I mean, howare you, as a woman, going14700:09:41.230 --> 00:09:43.389to put courage in him to bea man? You don't know what I14800:09:43.470 --> 00:09:45.629has to be a man, right, right, but there are things that14900:09:45.710 --> 00:09:48.950you can say. Well, Iwill tell you, just from a woman's15000:09:48.029 --> 00:09:52.220perspective, is sometimes the tactic thatI will take. It is I will15100:09:52.340 --> 00:09:56.220say, you know, I ama woman. I know that it would15200:09:56.299 --> 00:10:01.299mean the world to me if Iwas in this situation and my boyfriend or15300:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.100husband said, honey, we cando this together. Yet I will take15400:10:05.139 --> 00:10:09.649care of you, I will watchover your baby, our baby, and15500:10:09.970 --> 00:10:13.210that I will do whatever it takes. That that I am just waiting for15600:10:13.370 --> 00:10:18.049a man to be strong and todo what God would have him do.15700:10:18.370 --> 00:10:22.120Yeah, so I think, speakingfrom from I'm a woman, this is15800:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.200maybe what she is waiting to hear. Yea, I will say that and15900:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.879I think that is maybe better receivedthan me. Certainly I wouldn't say I16000:10:31.399 --> 00:10:37.070actually don't ever say you are acoward. I think that that never goes16100:10:37.230 --> 00:10:39.429well coming kind of name calling there. Yeah, I mean there is.16200:10:41.149 --> 00:10:45.029I've seen God use that, butjust because God would use something doesn't necessarily16300:10:45.070 --> 00:10:48.470mean that we should do it likeGod's mercifully uses. He uses donkeys.16400:10:48.629 --> 00:10:50.100Is that the best? We don'tget riding donkeys to the abortion right.16500:10:50.220 --> 00:10:56.059Use the donkey to speak to ato Balim right. Well, taken donkeys16600:10:56.059 --> 00:11:01.059to the abortion clinic. But mypoint is, though, is well,16700:11:01.620 --> 00:11:05.450the main point is in any ofthese conversations is we've got to be led16800:11:05.490 --> 00:11:09.409by the Holy Spirit. Right,so the Holy Spirit in the moment could16900:11:09.529 --> 00:11:13.490call a man to the carpet andbasically point him out as a coward.17000:11:13.570 --> 00:11:16.649One man who actually did choose lifeor went in and got his girlfriend out.17100:11:16.929 --> 00:11:22.679One of our counselors on our lastepisode, the hundredth episode, shared17200:11:22.759 --> 00:11:24.919that testimony, yeah, that thatman went in there and told her that17300:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.000he had believe that that was thetestimony of Kathleen shared. Maybe, just17400:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.399maybe, as you were sharing that. Don't yeah, but basically the man17500:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.429went in told her that we havea family emergency, that got the girl17600:11:35.470 --> 00:11:37.389out. We reason why he didthat as because the guy who he wasn't17700:11:37.389 --> 00:11:39.870a love life, cour cities forLife Guy. He was kind of an17800:11:39.909 --> 00:11:43.549independent guy out there by himself.Great Dude, but he called the Guy17900:11:43.629 --> 00:11:46.379Coward. Okay, now, don'tthink that part of the story did come18000:11:46.379 --> 00:11:48.899out on our back. Not comeokay. So that's in. That's what18100:11:50.059 --> 00:11:52.659happened. So he said you're ifyou're going to allow them to kill your18200:11:52.700 --> 00:11:56.539child, you're a coward, andhe said when he got on the mobile18300:11:56.580 --> 00:12:00.580unit. That was part of whatgot him to go in and get her18400:12:00.620 --> 00:12:03.129out of there, is the factthat he said, you know what I18500:12:03.289 --> 00:12:05.730was thinking about that? That guysaid that I'm a coward because I'm not18600:12:05.809 --> 00:12:09.490standing up for my baby, andhe's right, yeah, and so he18700:12:09.610 --> 00:12:13.169went in there and got her out. Baby was saved, amazing again,18800:12:13.330 --> 00:12:16.639just because God used that. Idon't think it means that we go out18900:12:16.679 --> 00:12:22.559on the sidewalk and just constantly callingpeople cowards. Right. However, biblically19000:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.639speaking, revelation chapter twenty one,Verse Eight Talks About Cowards. All cowards19100:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.549will find their part in the lakeof fire. Leads out this kind a19200:12:30.629 --> 00:12:35.309list of sins and things that God'sgoing to judge, and being cowardly is19300:12:35.309 --> 00:12:39.870one of those things. So therecan be a context for that. If,19400:12:39.149 --> 00:12:43.590specifically the Holy Spirit leads you tothat, I think you might could19500:12:43.629 --> 00:12:46.899say that, but I think it'sbetter to lay out a case first and19600:12:48.019 --> 00:12:50.580let them come to the conclusion thatthey're being a coward, Ram just telling19700:12:50.659 --> 00:12:52.980them, Hey, you're a coward, yeah, and so you can say19800:12:54.179 --> 00:12:56.019things. There are two ways youcan go at that. You can,19900:12:56.179 --> 00:13:00.330you know, be laying out thecase where it's just painfully obvious they're a20000:13:00.409 --> 00:13:03.929coward. You can go at itfrom the positive approach and if they're not20100:13:05.009 --> 00:13:09.850too thick headed or hardhearted, thiscan sometimes be effective, where you are20200:13:09.889 --> 00:13:15.480laying out what a courageous man lookslike. Yeah, and are are they?20300:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.080They will figure out on their own. Do I measure up or not?20400:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.480Right, yeah, you know.Are you using your strength to protect20500:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.590RHYMAN and and babies? Have youtold her you will do everything you can20600:13:26.669 --> 00:13:31.950in your power to help her?So, so those sort of statements,20700:13:31.990 --> 00:13:35.309I think, can be really,really effective. Yeah, and easier,20800:13:35.389 --> 00:13:39.950I think, for a woman.I will say I tend to personally be20900:13:41.820 --> 00:13:48.220harsher with a man leaving, especiallyif they're leaving the woman in the abortion21000:13:48.340 --> 00:13:52.460center. Yeah, then I amwith a woman, right or wrong.21100:13:52.539 --> 00:13:56.169I don't know if that's right orwrong, but that's just my natural inclination.21200:13:56.850 --> 00:14:05.450Is they are. They're just lettingthis happen and they will be called21300:14:05.529 --> 00:14:07.330to account before God, and that'sone of the things I will say.21400:14:07.370 --> 00:14:13.039Yeah, I will talk about whatdo you think Jesus would have you do,21500:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.679and what do you do with theverses where where Jesus says we will21600:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.600be called to account for every actionthat we've done, both good and an21700:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.230evil. Yeah, well, whatdo you think will be his opinion of21800:14:26.710 --> 00:14:31.070this action? And have you doneeverything possible? Yeah, while that baby21900:14:31.149 --> 00:14:35.309is that alive? Like, oneof the dynamics that plays out in these22000:14:35.429 --> 00:14:39.620particular scenarios is that the man inthis is this is more often than not22100:14:39.740 --> 00:14:43.539the reaction. It's one of apathy, like not that they don't want her22200:14:43.539 --> 00:14:46.500to have the abortion, that theydo wanted to have the abortion. It's22300:14:46.539 --> 00:14:48.100just more like, well, it'sher thing and whatever, I'm going to22400:14:48.139 --> 00:14:52.500go have profess that. Mctimes,absolutely I think one of the ways that22500:14:52.700 --> 00:14:58.409I think you can break through thatapathy in your conversation with them is to22600:14:58.490 --> 00:15:05.730make it personal for them and toimply, or I guess, drop drop22700:15:05.850 --> 00:15:09.879on their lap, the reality,not just imply it, but bring it22800:15:09.000 --> 00:15:15.159to the forefront that that baby istheir son or daughter. Yes, just22900:15:15.399 --> 00:15:20.429not that baby, not just herbaby, your baby, but I think23000:15:20.509 --> 00:15:26.309in particular, using the word father, yeah, that you are the father23100:15:26.149 --> 00:15:30.710of that baby that scheduled to yeah, yeah, that's your son and that's23200:15:30.750 --> 00:15:33.509your daughter and I will just likewith the mother's I will call her a23300:15:33.629 --> 00:15:35.139mother, because she is. Ifshe's pregnant, I will call them a23400:15:35.220 --> 00:15:39.139father and then I will talk aboutso one of the questions I asked do23500:15:39.220 --> 00:15:43.500you have other children? So Iask if do you have any other children?23600:15:43.539 --> 00:15:48.220Do you have? If they share, people are often very open about23700:15:48.220 --> 00:15:50.289it. Yeah, I've got ason. He's such a blessing. Yeah,23800:15:50.690 --> 00:15:54.049and I will talk about. Okay, that you were son. Could23900:15:54.049 --> 00:15:58.929you imagine life without them? Didyou? Do you remember when your girlfriend24000:16:00.009 --> 00:16:03.879or your wife, who ever borethat child, was pregnant and the struggle?24100:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.919It was difficult, right, butit was worth it, right,24200:16:07.000 --> 00:16:08.679because you have that child in yourlife as a blessing. Right. Well,24300:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.320this child that she carries, yourson that she carries right now that24400:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.600you're the father of, is,in the same way, of blessing.24500:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.190This is your child. So Ikind of use what they know to really24600:16:19.309 --> 00:16:22.549bring them into the reality of somethingthey actually don't know, having connected with24700:16:22.669 --> 00:16:27.149and really disconnected them to themselves fromyeah, and one of the harssure truths24800:16:27.269 --> 00:16:32.070that you can then continue in thatvein is this is what is going to24900:16:32.190 --> 00:16:37.139happen to your son or daughter,do you know right what happens and describe25000:16:37.700 --> 00:16:41.419that your son or your daughter isgoing to be literally ripped apart limb by25100:16:41.460 --> 00:16:47.529limb. That's, you know,something as if you're encountering apathy. You25200:16:47.649 --> 00:16:51.850kind of it's not said for shockvalue, but you do want to kind25300:16:51.850 --> 00:16:56.529of shock them into out of thatlethargy. Yeah, and into some sort25400:16:56.570 --> 00:16:59.529of action. So one of thethings that struck me when you were talking25500:16:59.529 --> 00:17:04.480about using the word coward and thenthinking about the apathetic man coming out.25600:17:04.920 --> 00:17:11.319Coward is a word that can evokestrong emotions. Should I imagine there's men25700:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.599that get very angry. Yeah,yeah, I've seen it, so I25800:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.710know this happens. Yeah, theycan get very angry, and maybe that's25900:17:18.750 --> 00:17:22.670a almost a good thing, becauseat least it's it's moving them out of26000:17:22.869 --> 00:17:26.630just in action. It's a goodthing, as long as they don't punch26100:17:26.670 --> 00:17:29.869you in the face. They don'tpunch you in the face. Yeah,26200:17:29.869 --> 00:17:36.940we got to be careful about tryingto keep things from escalating to a point26300:17:36.980 --> 00:17:40.900where anyone is in danger. Yeah, but another done now out of that.26400:17:41.180 --> 00:17:45.450Yeah, let her Chi another donenetdynamic that I see out there which26500:17:45.609 --> 00:17:48.529to me is really just the waythe flesh and the devil operate, really26600:17:48.569 --> 00:17:53.289just deceptively, and I know you'veheard it thousands of times, where he26700:17:53.529 --> 00:17:56.529pretends, you know, he mightstop again in the driveway coming on the26800:17:56.609 --> 00:18:02.880way out and he pretends that reallyhe's sort of apathetic toward the situation.26900:18:03.079 --> 00:18:04.640So he might say something to theeffect of, well, you know,27000:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.000I don't want her to have theabortion, but after all it's her body,27100:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.799her choice, her right or whatever. I'm not doing it. Yeah,27200:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.390after all, I'm not doing it. It's her doing it right,27300:18:14.750 --> 00:18:18.309and to me that's a really devilishway to handle because if you get then27400:18:18.349 --> 00:18:22.549I've had these situations or these conversationsmany, many times. I really really27500:18:22.589 --> 00:18:26.750get down to the bottom of it. All he's doing is taking the guilt27600:18:26.829 --> 00:18:30.900that he feels because, after all, he's likely the one that pressured her27700:18:30.940 --> 00:18:33.980to have the abortion. He's likelythe one that paid at least some of27800:18:33.019 --> 00:18:37.220the money to have the abortion.So you're trying to make me believe,27900:18:37.259 --> 00:18:41.690young man, that you brought herto the abortions and you drove her here,28000:18:41.529 --> 00:18:45.769you paid the money for her tohave the abortion, but you really28100:18:47.650 --> 00:18:51.529it's not your body's not your choice. All you're doing. It's a mechanism28200:18:51.609 --> 00:18:53.410for you to take the guilt thatyou're your feeling and put it off on28300:18:53.490 --> 00:18:56.319her. And so in those situationsthat, if I can perceive that's what's28400:18:56.319 --> 00:19:02.359going on, I will come downvery heavy handedly and I will say God28500:19:02.920 --> 00:19:04.960is not deceived by what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, you're taking the28600:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.640guilt of the thing and you're basicallysaying my hands are clean because I'm not,28700:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.349after I'm not the one having theabortion. I want to tell you28800:19:11.390 --> 00:19:15.109your hands are not clean. Thisis your baby and you need to do28900:19:15.309 --> 00:19:18.829everything you can to get her outof there. Now, you can't drag29000:19:18.910 --> 00:19:21.549her by the hair out of thatplace, but you need to go in29100:19:21.950 --> 00:19:25.019with this pamphlet in your hand andyou need to speak to her and tell29200:19:25.019 --> 00:19:27.859her let's not murder our child.Yeah, that way, and that I'm29300:19:27.900 --> 00:19:30.740still put encourage into him. Yeah, but I'm really being forth right and29400:19:30.740 --> 00:19:36.980I'm really confronting that young man innot his ampathy but his active involvement in29500:19:37.140 --> 00:19:41.210the murder of his own chil right. And of course we're a gospel centered29600:19:41.529 --> 00:19:47.730ministry and so whenever it is theright time, which is most of the29700:19:47.809 --> 00:19:51.170time, we give them scripture,you give them the word of God.29800:19:51.289 --> 00:19:55.160What is what does the word say? And one of my favorites when I29900:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.480have someone tell me it's her body, her choice. I'm not the one30000:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.960murdering, you know I'm it.It's not my issue, it's hers.30100:20:06.519 --> 00:20:11.309Is is proverbs twenty four, elevento twelve. So I'm going to read30200:20:11.349 --> 00:20:15.549that delivered those who are being takenaway to death and those who are staggering30300:20:15.670 --> 00:20:18.710to slaughter. Hold them back.If you say, see, we did30400:20:18.950 --> 00:20:23.099not knows know this, does henot consider it? Who weighs the hearts30500:20:23.220 --> 00:20:26.859and does he not know it?Who keeps your soul, and will he30600:20:27.059 --> 00:20:32.539not render to man according to hiswork? So God perceives it. God30700:20:32.740 --> 00:20:37.529knows what you have done. Godknows whether you have done everything in your30800:20:37.569 --> 00:20:41.569power to rescue those being led awayto death. Have you done everything in30900:20:41.690 --> 00:20:45.410your power to rescue that child beingleft way to death? And for you31000:20:45.529 --> 00:20:51.480to say I knew nothing about it, that's just not true. Yeah,31100:20:51.599 --> 00:20:56.079God debt that that verse tells you. Does Not he perceive it? Yeah,31200:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.079who holds the universe in his hand? You're not. You're not fooling31300:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.319God. You are not fooling God, you are just deceiving yourself. Yeah,31400:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.549and you will be called to accountand God does see this. And31500:21:07.750 --> 00:21:12.750and so then telling him you untilyou have, until that baby's dead,31600:21:14.589 --> 00:21:18.549you should not be fleeing from thatplace. Yeah, because you could still31700:21:18.660 --> 00:21:23.539influence and change the outcome your sonor daughter. Yeah, a couple of31800:21:23.619 --> 00:21:27.299things I want to mention in thisvein and when we're talking about the fathers31900:21:27.339 --> 00:21:30.660especially, but any of the supportpeople. Yeah, we've trained, and32000:21:30.740 --> 00:21:34.609if you've gone through our training youknow this where we really talk about that32100:21:34.890 --> 00:21:41.329mother is actually the judge, likeweird advocate. We're a lawyer back pleading32200:21:41.450 --> 00:21:45.289on behalf of that baby. We'repleading a case like that. That baby32300:21:45.450 --> 00:21:48.440is on trial, even though ithe or she has done nothing wrong.32400:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.440That baby's on trial. Yeah,and where that baby's lawyer. And so32500:21:51.559 --> 00:21:52.880we use the three talking points,you know, all of that stuff,32600:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.920as as evidence, right, ofwhy that baby doesn't deserve to die.32700:21:57.240 --> 00:22:02.029We're appealing to the judge. Thatmother is the judge. The abortionist is32800:22:02.109 --> 00:22:04.750not the judge. The abortionist isthe executioner in this, in this analogy,32900:22:06.349 --> 00:22:08.470the mother is the judge, andso we're appealing to her. So33000:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.990we use evidence like fetal development,ultrasound. Will use, obviously, what33100:22:14.109 --> 00:22:17.460God says is word, as evidencethat this baby doesn't deserve to die.33200:22:18.220 --> 00:22:21.339The resources that are available. Youguys know the three talking points, but33300:22:21.500 --> 00:22:26.059we can also call witnesses. Okay, and one of the greatest witnesses to33400:22:26.140 --> 00:22:30.970have up on the stand to helpus plead a case to that judge is33500:22:32.049 --> 00:22:36.170the father of the baby. Soif you can win him over in a33600:22:36.250 --> 00:22:37.730conversation, this is why we needto be careful. Yes, there are33700:22:37.769 --> 00:22:41.690times we need to confront you guysjust heard what I said about confronting cowardice33800:22:41.730 --> 00:22:45.279and all of that other stuff.But we really need to be careful because33900:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.039if we can build a relationship withhim and if we can put courage in34000:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.359him, then we can likely influencethe judge. Right, if we can34100:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.079get a pamphlet in his hand andget him to go inside the abortion center34200:22:56.119 --> 00:23:00.069and talk to her. What hehas to say, and I'll say this34300:23:00.230 --> 00:23:04.309to the men, one sentence fromyou is worth tenzero words from me right.34400:23:04.710 --> 00:23:07.109As a matter of fact, statisticshave kind of bore this out and34500:23:07.150 --> 00:23:11.670there's a statistic flying out around outthere and haven't been able to pin out34600:23:11.789 --> 00:23:15.140where it really comes from, butI'm I'm pretty sure it's accurate and it's34700:23:15.180 --> 00:23:21.019basically about ninety percent of the womenthat have an abortion said eighty to ninety34800:23:21.099 --> 00:23:25.180percent said that if the man wouldtake responsibility for the baby, she wouldn't34900:23:25.180 --> 00:23:29.250have the abortion. So that kindof speaks to the father's involvement in the35000:23:29.289 --> 00:23:33.009abortion decision. Whether he's a patheticor actively involved, passively involved, whatever,35100:23:34.450 --> 00:23:37.410his voice does matter and if wecan win him over as the attorney35200:23:37.410 --> 00:23:41.519for that baby and have him asa witness on our side, yeah,35300:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.960pleading the case to the judge,it could likely influence the judge. Yeah,35400:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.160and I don't know the exact statistics, but I will say from experience35500:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.640that is absolutely true. There wasa mom on board the RV today that35600:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.589the father the baby was pressuring herto abort and I said, well,35700:23:59.670 --> 00:24:02.750how did that make you feel?Now she was coming, he wasn't and35800:24:02.990 --> 00:24:07.029he didn't even know she was there. She was coming to abort and she35900:24:07.190 --> 00:24:11.500was determined to abort. But whenI said how did that make you feel,36000:24:11.819 --> 00:24:15.819when the father said that the fatherof the baby and she said bad.36100:24:17.220 --> 00:24:19.819Yeah, it made her feel bad. That's what I hear. Even36200:24:19.980 --> 00:24:26.730for the women who are abortion determined, at the root so often of that36300:24:26.930 --> 00:24:32.650determination is a man has said gokill our child. Yeah, and so36400:24:32.769 --> 00:24:37.009in the way that you phrased it, you were again empowering him. Look36500:24:37.089 --> 00:24:41.720at what an influence you have.You can influence her for good, yeah,36600:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.680not for evil, not for destruction. Yeah, and so you're feeding36700:24:45.839 --> 00:24:51.640courage into him in a very positiveway. That influences good. You can36800:24:51.759 --> 00:24:56.269influence her. Yeah, in thesame way when you're dealing with like parents36900:24:56.549 --> 00:24:59.349that have brought their daughter, theirfather and mother, their brother daughter there37000:24:59.430 --> 00:25:03.430for an abortion, or a friend, family member, even sometimes an uber37100:25:03.470 --> 00:25:07.819driver, somebody that has their trustthat we might not have at that moment.37200:25:07.940 --> 00:25:11.140That moment, right, we're justthat Weirdo out on the sidewalk.37300:25:11.259 --> 00:25:14.660Yeah, if we can win thatperson over, yeah, that person then37400:25:14.740 --> 00:25:18.700becomes a witness on behalf of thatbaby. Yeah, and we can we37500:25:18.819 --> 00:25:23.450can leverage that and and help influencethe judge, the mother, yeah,37600:25:23.650 --> 00:25:27.609to let that baby go free.Yeah. So you're making a great case37700:25:29.009 --> 00:25:33.890for why we need to really berelational. Yeah, and and build hope37800:25:33.250 --> 00:25:40.519and courage in that man. Butthere are times when they just are not37900:25:40.759 --> 00:25:44.920having it and and they are theyare still determined. They're just going to38000:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.799they will off in lie while beright back. Yeah, what do you38100:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.190say in that case when that,when they've left her, no abortionist is38200:25:51.230 --> 00:25:52.829going to be there any minut atright. So they say this, this38300:25:52.910 --> 00:25:56.390is a good point, and thisis what kind of want to just focus38400:25:56.509 --> 00:26:00.309on just for a second here.Is Because I've seen this play out.38500:26:00.509 --> 00:26:04.059Yeah, we're the guys coming outof the parking lot or even you know,38600:26:04.140 --> 00:26:08.019he's walked out on the sidewalk andwhere there were talking to him,38700:26:08.019 --> 00:26:14.380and I've seen counselors, and I'veprobably done it myself, go on endlessly.38800:26:14.420 --> 00:26:17.500Right, and because he wants todebate and he wants to justify himself,38900:26:17.539 --> 00:26:21.369he wants to claim, you know, innocence and no involvement in this39000:26:21.529 --> 00:26:23.410thing, or he wants to talkabout whatever. I mean, I've had39100:26:23.490 --> 00:26:27.009guys talk about anything under the Sunto really just shrug off the guilt of39200:26:27.049 --> 00:26:30.609they're feeling. Hey, but wehave to understand there's a sense of urgency.39300:26:30.650 --> 00:26:36.000Right, was that mother WHO's pregnant? I will have a conversation with39400:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.599her for four hours if I canwrite, because I know she's not going39500:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.160in here. She's not any abortions. I'll have a conversation that will keep39600:26:44.200 --> 00:26:45.599right out of there. If shewants to keep talking, I'll talk about39700:26:47.309 --> 00:26:51.430whatever. I don't care. Yeah, but with him there's a sense of39800:26:51.509 --> 00:26:53.670urgency. Yeah, and so ifhe's out there on the sidewalk talking to39900:26:53.750 --> 00:26:56.630me and he wants to talk aboutanything under the Sun, I'm always going40000:26:56.670 --> 00:27:00.859to bring the conversation back around tobut your girlfriends in there, your wife40100:27:00.940 --> 00:27:03.859is in there and your baby's aboutto die. So please go in there40200:27:03.900 --> 00:27:06.819and get her out of there andthen we can talk about all these other40300:27:06.900 --> 00:27:08.819things. So he might want totalk about evolution, he might want to40400:27:08.819 --> 00:27:14.460talk about, I mean Rastafarian IsmmI had a guy talk to one of40500:27:14.500 --> 00:27:17.809the talk to me about Rastafarian ishim and all babies being murdered in the40600:27:17.890 --> 00:27:21.690baying in there right. All ofit's around him trying to justify his self40700:27:21.809 --> 00:27:25.450and not doing anything. Yeah,and so you they want to talk about,40800:27:25.730 --> 00:27:29.170whatever it might be, conspiracy theoriesand all kinds of weird stuff.40900:27:29.170 --> 00:27:33.960I will always bring the conversation backaround there to them going in and getting41000:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.279her out and when they're about topull out and there I'm just going to41100:27:37.359 --> 00:27:38.400go up to here, to thestore, I'm going to go up to41200:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.319McDonald. I'll be right back.Yeah, I will stress that there's not41300:27:44.119 --> 00:27:45.990time for you to be right back. You need to go in there and41400:27:47.029 --> 00:27:49.150get her out of there. Pleaseunderstand the gravity of what's going on.41500:27:49.589 --> 00:27:53.069So what I want to communicate asI want to communicate urgency, yes,41600:27:53.390 --> 00:27:57.859I want to communicate the gravity ofthe situation, and I want to communicate41700:27:59.059 --> 00:28:03.380his ability to change the situation.Right. So I want to urgency,41800:28:03.539 --> 00:28:08.220gravity and his ability to communicate toher in such a way that I cannot41900:28:08.500 --> 00:28:11.259write. So I want to gethim and so I will say specifically,42000:28:11.700 --> 00:28:15.970just cut a you turn right here, go back in there, talk to42100:28:17.089 --> 00:28:19.490her and then all you can allyou can do, is try right now.42200:28:19.529 --> 00:28:22.970I will I will reiterate that becauseI don't want to put an undue42300:28:23.009 --> 00:28:27.440guilt on them, like if they'reif they do and genuinely try to get42400:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.839her out of there and she doesn'tcome out, what else can you do?42500:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.200That's right, you know. Yeah, and so I will encourage them42600:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.279with that you go in, justgive her this pamphlet and I'll try to42700:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.309make it very simple. Just giveher this pamphlet, just tell her.42800:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.589You don't even have to tell heranything, but these people on the sidewalk42900:28:45.630 --> 00:28:47.990want to talk to you. That'sall you need to do. Can you43000:28:48.029 --> 00:28:52.069do that? Yeah, and Ihave watched men, after I encourage them,43100:28:52.589 --> 00:28:56.180walk into the abortion center five tenminutes later, walk out with her43200:28:56.259 --> 00:29:00.740girlfriend holding her hand, and allshe was waiting for is for them to43300:29:00.900 --> 00:29:03.660walk for that boyfriend that has beento walk back into that abortion center and43400:29:03.779 --> 00:29:07.220say we don't have to do this. That tried, and I do believe43500:29:07.339 --> 00:29:11.089that that is true for many,many of the women, women that they43600:29:11.130 --> 00:29:17.089are just waiting. Will he bethe man that God designed him to be?43700:29:17.210 --> 00:29:21.049In that I think women long fora strong man, yeah, who43800:29:21.089 --> 00:29:26.720will defend them and their child.Yeah. So I like also how you43900:29:26.880 --> 00:29:32.799gave even in the specificity of justmake a you turn. They have,44000:29:33.039 --> 00:29:41.109they have sometimes, in their ownchaotic mess and deception, just a simple44100:29:41.710 --> 00:29:48.269bit of advice like make a youturn, give them a a plan,44200:29:48.710 --> 00:29:55.140yeah, is sometimes so in invaluable. Yeah, because they just sometimes they44300:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.220truly do feel like I've done allI knew to do. Some of them44400:29:57.299 --> 00:30:02.579honestly do feel like they've done allthey they knew to do, and so44500:30:02.819 --> 00:30:07.650we are giving them more specifics,and those are the times when I feel44600:30:07.690 --> 00:30:10.410like it's a man that's fought.Sometimes you will talk to a man who44700:30:10.450 --> 00:30:14.650has indicated, and I sort ofbelieve in that he has fought to some44800:30:14.809 --> 00:30:19.410degree for that child. Then givingthem new ammunition is is what I will44900:30:19.450 --> 00:30:22.400try to speak into them, andthat's we're talking about. Well, do45000:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.720you know what happens to how farlong is? She's said ten weeks.45100:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.319Do you know that a ten weekbaby has detectable brain waves? Does your45200:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.960girlfriend know that? Does she knowthat baby has ten fingers and ten toes45300:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.349with unique little fingerprints? Yeah,and that that little baby's going to be45400:30:37.430 --> 00:30:41.269ripped apart limb by limb? Doesshe know that? Maybe if you went45500:30:41.390 --> 00:30:45.230and told her that and said wecan't let that happen to our child.45600:30:45.950 --> 00:30:48.029So if they have, have saidI don't know what else to say,45700:30:48.269 --> 00:30:52.339and sometimes they will say that.Yeah, that's when I think it's important45800:30:52.380 --> 00:30:59.339give them specifics, know the specificsof abortion, of fetal development, sometimes,45900:30:59.420 --> 00:31:02.859of the resources. Yeah, andand tell them now, go in46000:31:03.019 --> 00:31:06.130and say, say those things.You don't see if those will help.46100:31:06.170 --> 00:31:08.569Yeah, and I think, likeI mentioned, putting a pamphlet in their46200:31:08.609 --> 00:31:11.089hands. Yeah, just go inthere, don't say a word and give46300:31:11.130 --> 00:31:14.930her this pamphlet. Now's our pamphlet. Says all that. But you do46400:31:15.089 --> 00:31:17.769have to be careful because, atleast at our facility, we have said46500:31:17.769 --> 00:31:19.400that and they will snatch it outof their hand. Yeah, I was46600:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.960going to tell them, okay,I'm sure, yes, stick in your46700:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.400back pockets, out and you're sureto something like that. To go on46800:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.839there hander this pamphlet. Yeah,we don't have to do this, or46900:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.150those people outside want to talk toyou. You want to empower you want47000:31:33.150 --> 00:31:37.269to encourage them against thinking of thatkind of analogy, of they're a witness47100:31:37.710 --> 00:31:41.109on behalf of their baby, yeah, of why their baby doesn't deserve to47200:31:41.190 --> 00:31:45.509die. And it could be,and this is what I'll say to the47300:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.700man, it could be that she'sin that abortion clinic right now and she's47400:31:48.819 --> 00:31:52.740praying for a sign and she says, God, if you don't want me47500:31:52.779 --> 00:31:56.420to have this abortion, then sendwhatever his name is back in there and47600:31:56.420 --> 00:31:59.019I'll try to get their name withthe man. I'll certainly try to get47700:31:59.059 --> 00:32:02.609their name and use their name encouragethem to go in there. And again,47800:32:04.049 --> 00:32:07.089I want to give them enough informationto empower them to go in and47900:32:07.170 --> 00:32:13.130do something, but not so muchinformation where I'm provoking a lengthy conversation.48000:32:13.569 --> 00:32:15.240So I'm not. Yeah, I'llget into field development. I'll get into48100:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.759it very minimally give them the factthat they need to know right. But48200:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.799I do want to stress fatherhood andthe fact that their child is their son48300:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.519or daughter and that they need todo something about it now, go do48400:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.359it. That's basically it. Yeah, you're the father that baby. That48500:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.950baby deserves your protection. She's waitingfor you possibly to come in and speak48600:32:32.950 --> 00:32:36.430to her and encourage her to dothe right thing. So go in and48700:32:36.430 --> 00:32:37.430do it. Yeah, yeah,I want to stress. Get me chills48800:32:37.470 --> 00:32:43.589when you said she might be prayingright now for a sign. And can48900:32:43.630 --> 00:32:45.380you imagine be and they tell usall the time they are. Yeah,49000:32:45.460 --> 00:32:49.380we hear that so much from thewomen. Can you imagine being that woman49100:32:49.380 --> 00:32:53.940and all of a sudden your boyfriendbust through the door with an and sometimes49200:32:54.019 --> 00:32:58.569with all the workers chasten after him? Say Baby, go back there,49300:32:58.650 --> 00:33:02.049can you imagine the impact of thaton that woman? She sees her hero,49400:33:02.329 --> 00:33:06.170she sees her night. Yeah,you know, in shining armor of49500:33:06.329 --> 00:33:08.529hearing, just in the brink oftime. It said. It is really49600:33:08.569 --> 00:33:13.519an effective, I think. Yeah, vision for you to paint for them.49700:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.079Now there are times when you've doneall that and they still say thanks,49800:33:17.119 --> 00:33:21.759I gotta go. Yeah, andthey and and there there is one49900:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.160last thing. We've talked about thisbefore. We always offer to pray.50000:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.869Yeah, yeah, we'll do that. And depending on again, the the50100:33:30.869 --> 00:33:35.750the urgency, and if I knowthe abortionist is about to get there,50200:33:36.069 --> 00:33:37.789I might not even pray with them. I might just send them on in50300:33:37.829 --> 00:33:39.789there with a pamphlet in their handand say get her out of there.50400:33:39.829 --> 00:33:43.019Well, what if I know they'resaying now? What if they say it?50500:33:43.660 --> 00:33:45.740Thank you. That's been all greatadvice and see you later, buddy.50600:33:45.740 --> 00:33:47.940Yeah, and they're going to drive. But either way, if if50700:33:49.019 --> 00:33:51.500I feel there's time, I willpray. I like, if I'm going50800:33:51.539 --> 00:33:52.460to send him in there he's willingto go, I'm going to pray and50900:33:52.539 --> 00:33:55.289just pray courage into him, givehim the strength. But in that scenario51000:33:55.289 --> 00:33:59.250where they're just apathetic and they're keepdriving. I will offer to pray with51100:33:59.289 --> 00:34:01.170them, yeah, and really prayat their yeah, right, right,51200:34:01.410 --> 00:34:04.529Lord, I pray that you wouldhelp this young man to see that his51300:34:04.650 --> 00:34:07.210baby is precious, that you lovehis baby and that you want to give51400:34:07.210 --> 00:34:10.519him the courage that it takes togo in there and get his girlfriend out51500:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.559of that place and save his baby. So give this young man the courage51600:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.039to do that, help him tobe the man that you've called him to51700:34:16.119 --> 00:34:20.800be and help him to know Godthat he is guilty of the murder of51800:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.559this child if he doesn't do something. So I'll pray something like that.51900:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.590I'm lay it on. Memorize thewhole case and laid it out, but52000:34:27.710 --> 00:34:30.789in your prayer. Yeah, andso those words, even if he does52100:34:30.909 --> 00:34:34.630drive away, you know, thosewords don't return for yeah, right,52200:34:34.710 --> 00:34:37.190there they're. They're in his headas he's driving up to McDonald's for his52300:34:37.349 --> 00:34:40.460coffee. Yeah, and he's thinkingof what you've said. Yeah, and52400:34:40.780 --> 00:34:45.980hopefully it's not too late when andif he does return. Yeah. Now52500:34:45.980 --> 00:34:49.300I'll share one story, and Ithink, as far as I'm concerned,52600:34:49.340 --> 00:34:52.219we're we can wrap this podcast up, I think. Yeah, it's been52700:34:52.260 --> 00:34:55.730good but there was one encouraging story. Okay, now, you guys take52800:34:55.849 --> 00:35:00.489this for whatever it is, butthis guy's actually my hero, okay,52900:35:00.570 --> 00:35:02.530one of my heroes, and I'mnot saying we encourage people to do this.53000:35:02.650 --> 00:35:05.730This guy kind of did this onhis own. But at the HEBROWN53100:35:05.769 --> 00:35:10.280abortion clinic some years ago, probablyten years ago or so, there was53200:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.440a man his girlfriend actually came tothe Hebron abortion clinic to kill his baby.53300:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.199He knew that she was pregnant.He didn't want her to have the53400:35:17.280 --> 00:35:21.829abortion. She went kind of slippedout of the house or whatever, went53500:35:21.869 --> 00:35:24.630to the abortion clinic and somehow hefound out through one of her friends or53600:35:24.670 --> 00:35:29.269something like that, that she wasat the abortion clinic and he actually rolled53700:35:29.269 --> 00:35:31.750up at the abortion clinic, foundout she was in there and went talked53800:35:31.789 --> 00:35:36.019with some of the sidewalk people thatare out there and they didn't encourage him53900:35:36.059 --> 00:35:38.260to do anything violent or anything likethat, right, but they were encouraging54000:35:38.340 --> 00:35:40.860him that you can go in there, you can speak with her. Well,54100:35:40.900 --> 00:35:44.659they wouldn't let him in to goand talk to her, so he54200:35:44.780 --> 00:35:47.380went around back and kick the backdoor open. Oh Wow, yeah,54300:35:47.739 --> 00:35:51.849the back door open, got herout of there and he didn't drag her54400:35:51.849 --> 00:35:53.250out or anything, but he hegave her a stern, you know,54500:35:53.769 --> 00:35:58.769rebuke. The police ended up showingup and they rested him and all that54600:35:58.889 --> 00:36:01.690stuff they did. They did arresthim, yeah, because he damaged property,54700:36:01.769 --> 00:36:06.559broke the door down. Okay,but guess what, she's girlfriend didn't54800:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.119kill their baby babies. Life wassafe because that man was a hero.54900:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.199That guy is my hero. He'sone of my hero is. Like that55000:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.590dude did what most of these menwould never do. Right. Most of55100:36:19.590 --> 00:36:22.510these men wouldn't even squeak out intheir voices don't have this abortion right.55200:36:22.789 --> 00:36:27.469But that guy actually took action.Now, I'm not encouraging violence and people55300:36:27.469 --> 00:36:31.429kicking downdoors, but man, thatstory, it's just just is awesome to55400:36:31.510 --> 00:36:35.860me. His baby was saying itbecause of it. That shows the power55500:36:36.179 --> 00:36:42.619of a man who really sees thevalue. Yeah, of think about that55600:36:43.059 --> 00:36:45.420child. Think about that kid,and I don't know if that kid has55700:36:45.460 --> 00:36:49.090that story shared, but if Iwas that kid, if that do was55800:36:49.170 --> 00:36:52.050my father, yeah, I wouldlook up to that knowing what dad did55900:36:52.289 --> 00:36:55.690to save my life. Yeah,just and and you know, that's a56000:36:55.809 --> 00:37:00.489great story. Do you tell thatto dad's as I sure counsel, but56100:37:00.570 --> 00:37:02.039I'm careful with that because I don'twant to encourage them to go. Yeah,56200:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.920I don't want to be part ofthat. I mean, if they56300:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.639do it, I'm not sad,right, but I'm not going to encourage56400:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.280it. Yeah, that because I'mnot going to be part of yeah,56500:37:09.400 --> 00:37:14.920them getting arrested and things like that. Yeah. So it just encouraging story,56600:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.389kind of like a one of thosestories I like to bring out every56700:37:17.429 --> 00:37:21.670once in a while and just sharewith people what what a man could do,56800:37:22.070 --> 00:37:23.750yeah, to protect the life,of his power, of the of56900:37:23.829 --> 00:37:29.070a father. And so many ofthese young men don't have fathers or if57000:37:29.269 --> 00:37:32.619they have absent father's, they don'thave great role models and sometimes, honestly,57100:37:34.260 --> 00:37:37.739the man at the that's a sidewalkcounselor is going to be that role57200:37:37.860 --> 00:37:40.380model. Yeah, that can tellthem this is what a man can do57300:37:40.900 --> 00:37:45.650and can be. Yeah, that'strue. It. So with that,57400:37:45.809 --> 00:37:50.809guys, we appreciate you listening andwe appreciate you, guys reaching out to57500:37:50.889 --> 00:37:53.769us with any suggestions of future podcastthat we can do. We love to57600:37:53.849 --> 00:37:58.409cover whatever subjects. Will be ablessing to you we have folks that are57700:37:58.449 --> 00:38:00.239within our circles, within love life, reaching out and saying hey, could57800:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.280you guys cover this or cover that? And so we certainly will listen to57900:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.400those folks that reach out. Butif you don't have a clue who you58000:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.119are, maybe you can still shootus over an email let us know what58100:38:10.280 --> 00:38:14.349subject you'd like for us to cover, someone you'd like for us to interview,58200:38:14.469 --> 00:38:16.230something like that. That just wouldbe a blessing to the folks that58300:38:16.269 --> 00:38:20.110are listening. So you can reachout to me, Daniel at Love Life58400:38:20.150 --> 00:38:22.909Dot Org. You reach out toher, Vicky at Love Life Dot Org.58500:38:22.989 --> 00:38:25.309We'd love to hear from you,but until next time, God bless,58600:38:25.630 --> 00:38:37.619God bless. Give me our lovefor love, give me our love58700:38:37.860 --> 00:38:51.250for gratitude. I know it willcost me my life. Nothing's too precious58800:38:51.570 --> 00:38:52.929and some that you