Sept. 8, 2022

Ministering to Families With a Negative Fetal Diagnosis

Ministering to Families With a Negative Fetal Diagnosis

We encounter various situations with the families we reach at the abortion centers. Some of those situations are very difficult to deal with. One of the most challenging scenarios is when doctors have said the baby has major medical issues. In this episode, we talk about how to biblically and graciously handle these situations.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.240 Human beings have an intrinsic value, not because of traits that they have or 2 00:00:04.280 --> 00:00:09.240 don't have, but because of the fact that they're human beings. I Am 3 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:16.239 Yours, I'm yours, I'm yours, and me, Lord, I'm yours, 4 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:21.359 I'm yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a 5 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:27.120 podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and 6 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:34.079 always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your past 7 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:47.159 touch your heart. Use either. Everyone. Welcome to the Gospel centered pro 8 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:52.240 life podcast. I'm welcome. I'm welcome, welcome, and this is Daniel 9 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:57.640 Parks. Listen to me. And so today's topic again is from one of 10 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:03.320 our listeners who contacted us and said she had not heard us discuss the issue 11 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:11.840 of fetal disability or special needs children and the rise in abortion of that population. 12 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:17.000 And also how do you address a mom at an abortion center who says 13 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:21.760 that is the reason for her abortion? Now we've sort of touched what we 14 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:26.599 have definitely touched on that in many podcasts, but we haven't dedicated a whole 15 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.120 podcast to that subject and we felt that was an important Um, yeah, 16 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:36.560 absolutely important topic. Yeah, so she had sent an article that I read 17 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:42.519 and I posted the link to that article in the article that I wrote on 18 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:52.120 this topic. But one of the disturbing trends following Roe v Wade being overturned 19 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:59.519 is that even some of the states that had nearly full protection laws prior to 20 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:08.800 Roe v Wade are now adding an exception for fetal abnormality. And so when 21 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:14.680 I liked what they said, the way that they stated the issue, so 22 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:16.680 I'm just gonna read this is straight out of that article. You can find 23 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:21.719 that article again, go to the article I wrote. It's it's an online 24 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.479 publication, I think Washington stand dot Com, I think, is the name 25 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:30.479 of it. But so the quote is State legislator leaders have caved to the 26 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:36.199 emotional pull of these stories, and that's the stories of of fetal abnormality, 27 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:40.240 particularly that the child, the condition of the child, is truly incompatible with 28 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:44.360 life. So they're going to be either born dead or they're going to be 29 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:50.800 born and have minutes. Is that to live? Changing total protections for the 30 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:57.039 unborn to protections for the unborn, accept Um and then accept dot, dot 31 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.560 dot. So, in fact, when Indiana passed their nearly nearly full protection 32 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:07.039 law for the unborn earlier this month, they did so specifically excluding people prenatally 33 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:13.000 diagnosed with a lethal fetal anomaly, anomaly up to twenty weeks just station. 34 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:17.319 This is especially notable as, prior to the overturn of row, Indiana was 35 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:25.840 one of just six states that protected unborn children with any chromosomal um abnormality from 36 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:32.639 eugenic abortions. So they're back stepping, their backpedaling on full protection to now 37 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:38.319 they're adding this and and I'm not sure why that's happening, but the author 38 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:45.240 said that this is Um a disturbing trend and we need to counter that. 39 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.639 We need to talk about it and we need to know how to counter it. 40 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.560 Um Not not for you and I on the sidewalk, maybe not necessarily 41 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:59.319 politically or with laws, but certainly how do we counter that when we encounter 42 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:04.000 mobs who say my baby is gonna die, maybe before being born, but 43 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:10.039 certainly after birth, that the condition is so severe? Or what we face 44 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:15.000 more commonly is there is some sort of abnormality, down syndrome being probably the 45 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:21.240 most common um and so they they feel that they need to kill the baby 46 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:25.879 as opposed to face that. Yeah, I think for our purposes. It's 47 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.600 it's kind of a twofold issue because there is there is a higher kind of 48 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:36.600 higher level way to view this as a nation Um. And then as far 49 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:41.240 as like the overturning of Roe v way, we understand and we believe that 50 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.079 Roe v way should be overturned. And ultimately, I believe, and hopefully 51 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:47.439 everyone that listens to this podcast believes, that there should be some kind of 52 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:54.319 constitutional protection for every human being, born or unborn. You're a human being, 53 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:58.680 you deserve to be protected under the law of these United States of America. 54 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:03.519 And again, if you're a human being, doesn't matter what abnormalities you 55 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.160 have, if you're a human being, you should be protected under the law. 56 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.199 So that's the higher level thing that we really need to understand it we 57 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.399 really need to push for. As believers in Jesus, human beings are precious. 58 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:19.560 Human beings have an intrinsic value, not because of traits that they have 59 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:25.199 or don't have, but because of the fact that they're human beings. Human 60 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.319 beings are made in the image of God. Human beings with down syndrome are 61 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.319 made in the image of God, human beings with trusting on me Um eighteen, 62 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:39.839 one of those or thirteen, these different fetal abnormalities that are chromosotal issues, 63 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:44.160 are human beings made in the image of God, right. Um, 64 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:48.439 whatever the other dwarf is, M is another issue. There are severe forms 65 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:51.680 of dwarfism that can cause, you know, all kinds of issues to a 66 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:57.360 baby that is uh, that's born with those issues. They're still human beings 67 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.759 made in the image of God, and so we have to have it fixed 68 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.040 in our hearts in our minds that that is the right stance to take right 69 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.480 it, regardless of what Indiana does or any other state does. The right 70 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:11.600 stands to take is that human beings have an intrinsic value and deserve to be 71 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:16.279 protected under the law and we can't kill them just because, um, just 72 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:20.680 because of issues that they have. We can't kill them just because issues that 73 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:25.879 they might call use for their family or whatever, because it really what we're 74 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:30.560 doing is we're, like you said, their Indiana is backpedaling here. You're 75 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:35.279 essentially saying that human beings are precious deserve to be protected under the law unless 76 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:40.000 they have this issue or that issue. Right now, I know it can 77 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:44.639 get more granular and can get more difficult. No one's pretending that these situations 78 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.240 are easy to deal with. Their heartbreaking. Now I mean knowing to carry 79 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:53.199 a baby for nine months only to know with, I guess, a lot 80 00:06:53.240 --> 00:07:00.279 of certainty, that Um that that baby will only live very briefly. So 81 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.240 it is heartbreaking, there's no doubt about it. But there are things we 82 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:09.040 can say or appoint those parents too, that can help them to deal with 83 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.439 this in a God honoring way. Yeah, yeah, and that's ultimately the 84 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.839 point is. We want to honor Jesus, we want to honor God. 85 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:21.040 And when you know you get a bad diagnosis, whatever that diagnosis might be, 86 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:25.959 whether it's for the baby or for the mother, we understand there's fear, 87 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:30.079 there's concerns, there's things that we ought to be concerned about, but 88 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.199 when we go to well, the doctor has said this and so it's absolutely 89 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.839 here's going to be the result that we don't leave any space for the Lord 90 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:41.000 to do his thing right, we don't leave any space for doctors to be 91 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:45.839 wrong, we don't leave any space for God to intervene miraculously. I'm thinking 92 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:46.959 of a story, Um, just off the top of my head, and 93 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.360 I don't know all the details because it happened several years ago, but it 94 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:55.160 was a couple that actually me and my wife went to school with, and 95 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:58.160 their child was diagnosed, and this was actually in the local newspaper from the 96 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.720 city that we're from. Um, this I was diagnosed with Um, some 97 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:07.040 kind of rare brain disorder, and they were told that they should abort because 98 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.079 this child is going to be born basically brain dead, not going to be 99 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:13.360 a functioning individual. They're gonna have to care for this child, even if, 100 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.199 you know, if the child even lives beyond birth, they're gonna have 101 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:20.639 to care for this child for the rest of this child's life. Um, 102 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.759 Lo and behold, the doctors were wrong. This child did have some issues, 103 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.920 but they were not issues that merited, I mean no issue merits killing 104 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.559 that child, but they are not issues that merited the level of fear that 105 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:35.639 the doctors. Um, we're really instilling in these people. Now, I 106 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:39.759 don't mean to say that when doctors do this every time are they trying to 107 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.159 convince people to abort their child, but doctors do a lot of times operate 108 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:48.720 in a spirit of fear. And let's remember, even though some doctors think 109 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:54.039 they are, no one is God except for God himself. Right, and 110 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.200 so we have to leave space for God to be God. As a society 111 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.039 and individually, we have to least leave space for God to be God and 112 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.759 for him to work miraculously. And you know kind of where I was going 113 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:07.840 with this is this is twofold. We need to understand that on a national 114 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:13.559 leveling to understand that and kind of, Um, a philosophical level. Right, 115 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:18.519 we've got to understand every human being is precious and deserves to be protected 116 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:24.000 under the law period. Second, though, we're gonna deal with women at 117 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:26.840 the abortion centers. You maybe already have those who are listening a certainly know 118 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:31.919 we already have dealt with women and uh, families that say that their child 119 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:37.559 has this fetal abnormality and therefore they feel like they need to abort, and 120 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.679 so we're gonna really dig into that in this article. Um, how do 121 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:46.720 you answer that? How do you give them some assurance that God's with them? 122 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:48.639 How you give them assurance that they're doing the right thing if they turn 123 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:54.559 away from abortion? How do you give them kind of the reality check that 124 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:58.159 if they do have an abortion, it's not okay just because their their baby 125 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:03.519 has issues? Right? So how do yeah, and the first way or 126 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:09.799 the first method that I always point out, you already mentioned, when always 127 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.320 remember the doctors can be wrong. They can be wrong. We have so 128 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.240 many stories of that. We have stories personally, just in in our time 129 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:20.600 out on the sidewalk, and the Internet is filled with them. There was 130 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:26.960 one that I remember. I do look for these stories on on Facebook, 131 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:31.159 on the Internet, because I remember them and I can use those stories to 132 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.360 reassure the women that they should at the very least get a second opinion. 133 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.600 But Um, but this story was of a baby similar to the story you 134 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.840 told that and they showed pictures this. These parents showed pictures of the baby's 135 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:52.120 brain and there was the baby had like a third, if that, of 136 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.240 the brain. The rest of the brain just wasn't there. And there was 137 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.720 a condition, whatever. It is very rare, whatever it was called, 138 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:05.279 and the Um, the baby was Um, was born and they did a 139 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:11.120 living which was a shock to them because they said the condition was absolutely incompatible 140 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:16.080 with life. The baby was born and the doctors were just absolutely dumbfounded when 141 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:22.840 they did whatever scan of the baby's head because they don't know why this baby 142 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.720 is living and the brain was like it grown back. They said there was. 143 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:35.360 There was zero chance of that happen medically. Zero Um and they said 144 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:37.679 it was just that it was nothing short of an a miracle. A miracle, 145 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.759 and the baby's fine. I mean there are issues, like you said 146 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.039 with your friend, there are issues, but the baby is alive. That 147 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.759 I think the baby is expected to live and the brain apparently is still developing 148 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:56.480 in ways that the doctors just absolutely never believed possible. The one caution I 149 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:01.440 would say is that while doctors can and be wrong, they can also be 150 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:09.799 correct and we don't want to give a false hope that is going to put 151 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:16.440 this woman on an emotional roller coaster. Um, but we, I do 152 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:22.320 think we are always called to say, have you gotten a second opinion, 153 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:28.200 because so often they have not. Yeah, oftentimes too. You have to 154 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.120 understand that the doctors, because they're in a position of authority, and steal 155 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:37.200 a lot of fear and hopelessness. And again, I don't know that they're 156 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.360 trying to do that. I think some are. Some think that their God 157 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:46.600 and they think that their word is holds more weight than God's word, but 158 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.039 most are just trying to be you know, they're trying to be honest, 159 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.679 they're trying to be accurate. They're trying not to give false hope and so 160 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:58.639 they tend to lean more towards the negative rather than hey, maybe they're maybe 161 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.159 I could you're wrong. You know, doctors don't oftentimes like to admit that 162 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:07.279 they could be wrong and the medical tests can be wrong and Um, so 163 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:13.159 I think always mentioning that is important and not doing it in such a way 164 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.279 where you're trying to get them to mistrust their doctor. Right, if they're 165 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:18.840 well, I'd say this, if their doctor has told them to come to 166 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.519 the abortion clinic to kill their child, then yes, I definitely want to 167 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:28.440 pit them against their doctor. I do because that doctor has basically affirmed the 168 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:33.000 idea that it's okay to murder a child because they have a disability. Right, 169 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:35.440 and that doctor, to me, is he's went against his oath, 170 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:41.279 right his his oath is to do no harm and he's decided that he's he's 171 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.159 gonna encourage a woman to do harm to her child. He's not doing his 172 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.320 job as a doctor. So I will say you shouldn't trust that doctor. 173 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:52.759 Help, let us help you get a second opinion. But the fear that 174 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:58.279 these doctors and still, because they're in this position of authority in the sense 175 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:01.320 is like understandable. They're the guys that are supposed to know. They're the 176 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.679 folks that are supposed to get the stuff right, and they could get suit 177 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.799 if, if this baby is born with this condition and they haven't fully warned, 178 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.840 woman, they do need to be. Yeah, Um, but again, 179 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.960 we're still we're dealing with human life, and so we want to to 180 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.519 me, that's constantly what you're touching on. This is a human being, 181 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:26.360 whatever their issues might be, just because they may have disabilities or may not. 182 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:30.039 Um, there's still a human being. But also, I want to 183 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:35.440 address that this one statement that you'll hear in these um scenarios. oftentimes it's 184 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.440 incompatible with life. This baby is incompatible with life, this feat is, 185 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:45.639 whatever terms they want to use, is incompatible with life. Um, okay. 186 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.799 If that's the case, though, they're going to be born and their 187 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.799 condition is incompatible with life, so they're gonna die shortly after they're born. 188 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.080 That's really a self conflicting statement. If the baby, though it might have, 189 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:03.080 he or she might have complications, if they're alive in the womb, 190 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:07.799 they're not incompatible with life. They're already alive. So to say that a 191 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:13.480 baby in the womb because it has this fetal abnormality is incompatible with life. 192 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.159 When it's born, it's gonna die immediately. You're conflicting what you're saying. 193 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.879 It can't die if it's not alive. Right, that baby is already alive 194 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.559 and I think I always touch on that. You don't remedy someone's suffering by 195 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:31.840 causing more suffering. Think about what an abortion does. An abortion kills a 196 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.960 human being. It causes suffering. Right, it's gonna stop a heart that's 197 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:41.559 already beating, and so this idea that it's incompatible with life, this baby 198 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:45.919 is incompatible with life is absurd. If the baby is already alive, it's 199 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:48.480 very much compatible with life. Now we know that it's the mother's body that's 200 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.840 sustaining that child's life. That's the way God designed it to be. Again, 201 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:58.720 we've got to leave space for God to do what only he can do, 202 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:03.240 just like in Sich wations where a child has cancer or something like that. 203 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.799 Those are terrible situations, but we don't give the child a lethal injection 204 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.519 because they're going to suffer with cancer. Right. We we do everything we 205 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.960 can to intervene until we can't intervene anymore. And what do we do? 206 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:19.399 We leave it in God's hands. Right. Yeah, and you've touched onto 207 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.799 two of the next main points that were brought out, Um, in the 208 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.399 article that we're going to be putting out with this podcast. Uh. The 209 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.720 second thing is reaffirmed the sanctity of human life. Always go back to that. 210 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.080 Like you said, that should probably be the number one thing really on 211 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:41.320 on this article. Is the sanctity of human life supersede to everything, everything 212 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.480 else. And then what you said. The potential for suffering does not justify 213 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:49.159 murder. I mean, honestly, the potential for suffering is true in every 214 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:53.120 single human being on earth. On Earth we will all suffer and when some 215 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:59.360 of us will suffer terribly, but that doesn't mean that murder should be the 216 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:04.000 answer to suffering. Um. One of the verses that came to me was 217 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:08.480 some thirty four eighteen. The Lord is near to the broken hearted and saves 218 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:12.440 the Christian Spirit. We will suffer, all of us will suffer on earth, 219 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:18.480 but remember that God is near to us through through suffering, and Um 220 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:26.759 and glorifying God is certainly the antidote. Not Um, not just define God 221 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.599 and and killing that innocent life. One of the things, of course, 222 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.400 related to that is is the fourth point in this article that you can use 223 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.799 to speak to the MOM. So I want to kind of give those main 224 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:41.599 points to make sure no one misses them. Second opinion, remember the doctors 225 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.640 can be wrong. Reaffirm the sanctity of human life. Potential for suffering does 226 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:49.440 not justify murder. And the next one is that really none of us know 227 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:53.759 how long we will live. None of us so. And there are again 228 00:17:53.920 --> 00:18:00.240 countless personal testimonies of baby is born with very serious complications, where the doctor 229 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.960 said this baby will not live seconds beyond birth, where the baby does live. 230 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:11.000 and Um. So I get the argument. I understand the argument. 231 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:18.039 I don't want to carry a baby for nine months to then undergo the incredible 232 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:23.680 pain of watching that child die before my eyes minutes after I've delivered. I 233 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:29.880 think you cannot gloss over the suffering that will cause the mother. It will, 234 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:34.680 it would be. I cannot imagine the pain of that. So I 235 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:42.720 totally get that. But I think what what is absent in just focusing on 236 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:51.200 that is but look what the blessing is. The blessing is a little human 237 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:57.759 being got to know the those few precious moments of being loved and seen. 238 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.720 Usually, in most cases, the MOM is able to hold that child, 239 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.000 the family can hold that child. And again, I have seen so many 240 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.880 personal testimonies of Moms who have faced that, have had their their baby die 241 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:18.759 within minutes and said, while it was incredibly painful, there was so much 242 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:25.200 joy and blessing and having been able to hold that child for those brief moments. 243 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:29.000 Yeah, I think one of the most important things, as it pertains 244 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.519 to us, minister, on the sidewalk, will we encounter these situations, 245 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.880 is to answer it with compassion, yes, right, to identify with their 246 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.799 pain. You guys have heard me talk about compassion calm, which means with 247 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.119 breaking down that word calm, the prefix with, and then passion actually means 248 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:49.519 suffering. So to have compassion means to suffer with them, to enter into 249 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.960 their suffering. The Bible says we weep with those that weep, we mourn 250 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:57.640 with those who mourn. If you encounter a mom family on the sidewalk that 251 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:03.720 comes to the abortion center and they say our baby has this issue, doctor 252 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.680 says this baby is incompatible with life, we feel like we have to do 253 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.920 this. We don't go through all the pain. We want to identify with 254 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:15.519 that suffering, we want to identify with that struggle, right enter into their 255 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:19.240 suffering with them. But I do think again, these personal testimonies, whether 256 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:23.400 personal testimonies like we talked about, of times where doctors have been wrong, 257 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:29.720 but also personal testimonies of you know, even if you go through this and 258 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:33.079 that baby does die after he or she is born, is at least you 259 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:38.519 love that child as much as you could, either than coming to a place 260 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:45.839 like this and subjecting that baby and yourself to a place that kills children from 261 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:48.279 money. Yeah, that was you. You exactly touched on where I was. 262 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.640 What I was going to add is, is you save yourself from the 263 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.920 remorse and sorrow of having taken that child's life yourself, your that baby dying 264 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:03.519 at your hand, or at your permission at best, as opposed to the 265 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:10.279 baby dying once it was born and having experienced at least a few moments of 266 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:14.359 joy, of being held and known by his parents? Yeah, and then 267 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:15.720 there can be on our part, though, just so we understand, no 268 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:21.599 pretense that these are easy situations and no kind of flippant response, but it 269 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:25.680 still doesn't justify killing your baby. That's the reality. But, like I've 270 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:29.960 said before, you can be you can be technically right, but but relationally 271 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.680 wrong, and we always want to answer it with compassion and also understand two 272 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.599 and this is because people will lie to you, all right, we we've 273 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.200 talked about that, what to do when we think that they're lying. People 274 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:45.160 can lie to you and I've heard people make up scenarios like my baby has 275 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.359 down syndrome or my baby has trusting on me eighteen or whatever. My baby 276 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:55.079 is gonna be dead when my baby doesn't have a brain or whatever. You 277 00:21:55.160 --> 00:22:00.240 can almost always tell that they're lying when they come over to you and kind 278 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:04.880 of this arrogant demeanor. Most of the time people in this scenario, if 279 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:08.799 they do talk to you, they're gonna be super humbled, right, they're 280 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.680 gonna be broken hearted, and you can read that situation. Um. But 281 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:17.480 even if you do have someone that comes over and they're arrogant and they're prideful 282 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:21.680 and they tell you their baby has this whatever issue, you don't want to 283 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:23.480 push back with saying well, that doesn't matter. You still want to answer 284 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.359 with compassion, you still want to give them the benefit of the doubt. 285 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:32.039 But oftentimes when you do encounter these situations, they're gonna be humbled already, 286 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:36.160 they're gonna be broken already. And for you guys, you love Jesus, 287 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.039 it's not gonna be hard for you to enter into their suffering with them. 288 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:44.400 Prayer is very important. Can I just pray with you? Sometimes, we 289 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.160 always we want to put words in where actually we need to put prayer in. 290 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.319 We wanna, we want to add in opinions and our opinions, and 291 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:56.079 really we need to bring God into the situation, and so I would always 292 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.880 just say, can I pray with you and invite God into the situation. 293 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:02.839 Help this couple and, like we talked about, you're praying for them, 294 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:04.839 but you're also praying at them. Helped this couple to see that their baby 295 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:10.039 has value, is loved and known by you, and that this place is 296 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:11.880 actually a place of darkness, because to me, if they're going through a 297 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:17.359 struggle like this, the last place they need to be is inside of planned 298 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:22.799 parenthood or one of the latrobe abortion center, where it's full of darkness, 299 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.400 it's full of death. There are women in there just flippantly killing their children 300 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.200 when they're going through one of the worst situations that anyone could be in right. 301 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.880 It's the worst place that they could be in my opinion, on so 302 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:40.200 many levels. But Um, uh, sharing personal testimonies are are we've already 303 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.720 touched on that and that was kind of the last major point of something that 304 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:48.559 you can offer to them. But there is also help available, and this 305 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:52.799 was new to me. Actually, I'm really grateful to this reader or this 306 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:57.640 listener who sent me that article article, because in the article there was a 307 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:02.799 resource I was unfamiliar you're with, and I think everybody needs to have this 308 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.279 on their resource list. I did explore this, this Um resource. I 309 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:12.240 went to the website, I I read all the dropdown menus and it's fantastic. 310 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:18.799 It's called be not afraid and the website is on our article, be 311 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:23.200 not afraid dot net. So it's a national organization. It's centered here in, 312 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:26.720 I believe, concord, North Carolina, so it's out of North Carolina, 313 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:32.640 but it is national and it actually its purpose is to help parents who 314 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:37.440 have been given a diagnosis of fetal abnormalities. So it is first and foremost, 315 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:41.880 the first thing I look for is okay, is it pro life or 316 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.559 is there a chance they would say well, with certain abnormalities, they would 317 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.920 recommend abortion. That is not the case. They would never recommend abortion. 318 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:53.119 It's it's based on the truth that all human life is valuable and that, 319 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:57.920 basically, abortion should never be considered to deal with the very real issues of 320 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:06.839 fetal abnormalities. So some of the stuff it helps with mentors resources and strategies 321 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:11.839 so that parents feel better equipped to welcome their child to the world. And 322 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:17.559 so there's a case management team that will be appointed Um to to that those 323 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:22.920 parents and they some of the help that they provided that was listed on the 324 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:30.000 website Um include a birth plan, depending on what the diagnosis is, the 325 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:37.720 local resources that they can connect the parents with, education about the disability and 326 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.720 what the parents need to know to be able to parent this child or even 327 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.839 just deal with the birth of the child. BERIEVE mint how to deal with 328 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:51.720 the grief following if the child does die. They even help with funeral cost 329 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:56.640 if that is necessary, and guidance if if the child dies, and then 330 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:02.359 they do ongoing support and contact for a full year following the child's firths. 331 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.319 So they could be following these moms for, you know, potentially a year 332 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:11.480 and nine months, and it just it sounds incredible, like a great resources 333 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.599 resource. So everybody should look that up and get them on their um on 334 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:22.599 their resource list in your area. And then the final area is not to 335 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.359 forget, and Daniel, I know you'll love dealing with this one, the 336 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:32.319 role of the Church and in walking alongside these these MOMS, these families. 337 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:36.000 Yeah, and, as often as said, the church is called to be 338 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.400 the hands and feet of Jesus. We are called to walk alongside these families 339 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:44.200 again, to to grieve with those that grieve, to mourn with those that 340 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:49.319 weren't, to weep with those that weep, but also practically to help these 341 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:56.480 families. We have mentors all across the nation and, Um, I know 342 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.920 God is raising up people that have been in situations similar into this of seeing 343 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:04.799 God miraculously make connections with families that are struggling with some of the same things. 344 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.079 God, God, already has a mentor in a church in that city 345 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:14.559 that can come alongside that mom who has gone through a similar situation. Um, 346 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.079 and so just, you know, leveraging the church, the connections with 347 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:22.480 the churches. Um, I know that this ministry it's in Mooresville. I've 348 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.079 just looked it up, moville. So it's not not far from where we 349 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:27.799 are right now, and I've actually heard about them in the past. Now 350 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:33.000 that I'm thinking about this, Um is connected to a local church right this 351 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.279 is the hands and feed of Jesus, is the body of Christ working together, 352 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:41.680 coming alongside these families. So there's various ways that the church can do 353 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.799 that, and I think one of the main things, though, is the 354 00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.839 mentor program walking alongside these families if they decided to not not to go through 355 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.079 with the abortion, but also if they decided to go through with the abortion, 356 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.960 we still want to be there with them, speaking the truth, coming 357 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.359 alongside them, Um, speaking what God's words say us and turning them to 358 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:06.160 Jesus. Ultimately, the job of the church is to point people to Jesus 359 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.359 Christ, and that's what we always want to be doing for these families and 360 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:15.000 what other families are are struggling with various situations, as your scripture says here 361 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.680 at the end of your article, bear one one of those burdens and so 362 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:19.680 fulfill the law of Christ. The Law of Christ is summed up in one 363 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:25.240 word love. And as much as we would want someone to come alongside us 364 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:29.640 in a difficult situation like that, we need to come alongside them. Amen, 365 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.359 Amen, and and just. Um. I hope this article will encourage 366 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.960 every sidewalk counselor to not be afraid to deal biblically with this situation. The 367 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.640 death of the baby is not the answer. Um, the an abortion is 368 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.240 not the answer. To trust that, that God. Maybe this is a 369 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:49.400 good article to help you know, empower you to feel you you can approach 370 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:56.200 these families with love and Biblical Truth and hopefully still save a life. Yeah, 371 00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.799 yeah, Amen. Well, guys, we hope that this was in 372 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.480 Ancouragement to you. Guys. Hope that this equipped you, guess, to 373 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.799 be more effective on the sidewalk. If, like this article started from an 374 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.640 email from someone who listens, we appreciate you send it in this question and 375 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:14.440 Um, if you guys have something similar topic, something you've not seen us 376 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.920 cover thus far in an episode, we'd love to hear from you. 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