Feb. 13, 2020

Ministering In Our Mess

Ministering In Our Mess

Ministry, especially pro-life ministry, is hard. In addition to the difficulties that ministry brings there are things going on in our personal lives that can interfere with the ministry that we are called to. The question is "do we step back or do we...


Ministry, especially pro-life ministry, is hard. In addition to the difficulties that ministry brings there are things going on in our personal lives that can interfere with the ministry that we are called to. The question is "do we step back or do we press in through the mess?" It's not an easy question but join us as we talk through this. 

charlotte.cities4life.org

www.sidewalks4life.com

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me. 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:10.550 Lord, I welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast and this episode 3 00:00:10.589 --> 00:00:13.349 we're going to talk about ministering in our mess, and if you're wondering what 4 00:00:13.390 --> 00:00:16.750 that means, then stay tuned for this episode because we feel like it will 5 00:00:16.750 --> 00:00:20.190 be a blessing to people in any kind of ministry, especially Pro Life Ministry. 6 00:00:23.699 --> 00:00:34.060 I felt show tassish touch your welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 7 00:00:35.340 --> 00:00:41.810 We wanted to do an episode about ministering in our mess and we realize, 8 00:00:42.289 --> 00:00:45.609 and hopefully this podcast is a blessing to pro life people. But I 9 00:00:45.729 --> 00:00:50.079 mean I realize, with this one and then the last podcast that we did, 10 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:54.560 the two part podcast about empowering versus enabling, that this will be more 11 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:59.719 broad than just pro life ministry, but really any ministry, anybody that's involved 12 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.920 in ministry, I think, will benefit off of these podcasts. Yes, 13 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:07.670 because we all deal with our mess, and this episode in particular we're talking 14 00:01:07.670 --> 00:01:11.709 about ministering in our mess. Now I think in some sense at least, 15 00:01:11.829 --> 00:01:15.030 you know, because of our experience and just what we do, that it's 16 00:01:15.069 --> 00:01:21.340 heightened in prolife ministry because we're dealing with literally life and death situations. That 17 00:01:21.379 --> 00:01:23.980 doesn't make our ministry more important, although I think it is more important because 18 00:01:25.019 --> 00:01:26.780 it's what God has called me to. But it is to make us more 19 00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:32.140 important. It just it's our experience. Right. We have mess that we 20 00:01:32.260 --> 00:01:36.290 deal with, and this in particular comes with your experience, Vicki, in 21 00:01:36.530 --> 00:01:40.010 ministry, but we all have experiencing. I can, I'll share some of 22 00:01:40.609 --> 00:01:42.170 the mess that I've had to minister to. And what we mean by that 23 00:01:42.890 --> 00:01:47.049 is there's junk going on in our lives and our personal lives, our family 24 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:51.159 lives, church life, whatever do was we all did with mess in our 25 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:53.519 lives. For sure, we're all called the ministry and we're going to have 26 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.840 to minister in that mass. And does there come a point where we need 27 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.079 to stop doing ministry? You know, in particular, what we're talking about 28 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.750 a sidewalk counseling ministry. is to come a point where you need to stop 29 00:02:02.870 --> 00:02:06.430 going out to the sidewalk because of the things that are going on in your 30 00:02:06.469 --> 00:02:09.750 life, or do you need to press on through that? And hopefully you 31 00:02:09.870 --> 00:02:14.509 know there's some situations. I just say right right away that there's some situations 32 00:02:14.590 --> 00:02:16.979 where yet you do need to step back from the sidewalk, you do need 33 00:02:17.020 --> 00:02:21.740 to step back from ministering in the pregnancy center, you do need to step 34 00:02:21.780 --> 00:02:23.300 back even, you know, pastors need to step back from the pulpit. 35 00:02:23.419 --> 00:02:29.219 Sometimes I need to step back from ministrying that capacity, but I think maybe 36 00:02:29.300 --> 00:02:31.569 not more often than not. But we need to be discerning and trying to 37 00:02:31.569 --> 00:02:36.090 figure out window. I just need to press through this now. We're not 38 00:02:36.250 --> 00:02:38.330 even necessarily going to be talking about sin issues. I think that can be 39 00:02:38.370 --> 00:02:43.409 a whole separate thing. Where we're talking about there's unrepentant sin in your life, 40 00:02:43.689 --> 00:02:46.800 right then that's not ministering through your mass, right, that's ministering in 41 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:51.800 the midst of sin. You need to repent and and probably why, I'd 42 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.120 say. Certainly do need to step out of ministry. So we're not really 43 00:02:54.199 --> 00:03:00.389 talking about that per se. What we're talking about is family issues, health 44 00:03:00.550 --> 00:03:05.430 issues, even, I don't know, mental issues that you're dealing with. 45 00:03:05.469 --> 00:03:08.349 I don't know. You know, not mental illness, just emotional stuff and 46 00:03:08.469 --> 00:03:13.620 all that right. So yeah, yeah, you know. And something that 47 00:03:14.419 --> 00:03:19.620 just occurred to me while you were speaking was sometimes that mess is the result 48 00:03:19.740 --> 00:03:23.659 of spiritual warfare. Yeah, that's that's an important point, different and that's 49 00:03:23.699 --> 00:03:29.289 why I say you know again from our experience what we're dealing with now. 50 00:03:29.289 --> 00:03:35.449 I'll tell folks the abortion issue and especially add the abortion clinics. That's the 51 00:03:35.569 --> 00:03:38.530 devil's pride and joy, right, the sacrifice of little baby boys, a 52 00:03:38.569 --> 00:03:43.800 little baby girls, like the devil's always been after the destruction of the image 53 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:49.400 of God, and that's where it takes place, place most predominantly, I 54 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.599 guess you'd say. And if you're going to go out there, we tell 55 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:53.439 our volunteers, if you're going to come out here and commit to this, 56 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.110 it's things a devil's pride and joy and he's not going to leave you alone. 57 00:03:57.110 --> 00:03:59.949 There's going to be some spiritual warfare in your life that you have not 58 00:04:00.110 --> 00:04:02.909 experienced before if you're involved in that, and this particular ministry doesn't mean it 59 00:04:02.949 --> 00:04:06.590 doesn't happen in other ministries. It does. You know, people talk about 60 00:04:06.710 --> 00:04:11.300 when they go to be missionaries in other countries and there's a lot of just 61 00:04:11.460 --> 00:04:15.099 demonic activity in those countries and things that they're the spiritual warfare is heightened. 62 00:04:15.099 --> 00:04:18.339 That certainly true. But that is an important point, is that we're maybe 63 00:04:18.420 --> 00:04:23.779 talking more than anything about spiritual to warfare, the things that happened right based 64 00:04:23.860 --> 00:04:26.930 on the fact that you've committed yourself to the Lord to really be in the 65 00:04:27.009 --> 00:04:30.769 battle. Because, let's face it, most Christians, though, were we 66 00:04:30.490 --> 00:04:33.170 get in the spiritual battle. When you become a Christian, you're in the 67 00:04:33.250 --> 00:04:38.370 battle, but most Christians are not engaged in the spiritual battle. Most Christians 68 00:04:38.370 --> 00:04:41.639 are, you know, sitting on the pews, sidelines. When you jump 69 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:45.959 into the battle, this is when the mass is really going to be kicked 70 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.319 up and you know a thousand notches. You know it. I had I 71 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:54.470 had one volunteer recently tell me, but do people think you're nutty when you 72 00:04:54.589 --> 00:04:59.470 talk about spiritual warfare? And I said probably, but it's still real. 73 00:04:59.550 --> 00:05:02.870 Yeah, and I never knew that. Honestly, I never knew that till 74 00:05:02.910 --> 00:05:08.540 I was on the sidewalk in front of an abortion center. And I believe 75 00:05:09.339 --> 00:05:15.100 was effective. And the devil does not like, yes, being affected when 76 00:05:15.100 --> 00:05:18.139 you advanced, when you're being used by the Lord to advance his kingdom, 77 00:05:18.699 --> 00:05:21.730 the devil's not just going to sit by and let you do that without some 78 00:05:21.930 --> 00:05:28.129 opposition. So so kind of something to think about in the background of this 79 00:05:28.290 --> 00:05:35.720 whole discussion today is do we then back off because we're under bitter attack? 80 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:42.959 And I would say no, right, no, but there are some attacks 81 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:50.670 that are so brutal, and I did experience that, that it is almost 82 00:05:50.750 --> 00:05:59.269 impossible not to back off. Yeah, because it's so dangerous. This is 83 00:05:59.470 --> 00:06:03.699 this is one of those points where I need to remind folks that we're in 84 00:06:03.779 --> 00:06:06.180 a spiritual battle. For sure, no matter what we're doing, if we're 85 00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:11.860 advancing God's kingdom, we're in a spiritual battle and we can't, we can't 86 00:06:11.980 --> 00:06:14.819 fight alone. That's why it's important for us to be a part of a 87 00:06:14.899 --> 00:06:16.579 local church. If you don't have the support, the prayer, support, 88 00:06:16.699 --> 00:06:21.089 the encouragement from your local church, it's really hard to get through it if 89 00:06:21.129 --> 00:06:26.810 you don't have other believers around you. That's one of the real blessings for 90 00:06:26.970 --> 00:06:29.250 being a part of cities for life. Me On the sidewalks we have a 91 00:06:29.290 --> 00:06:32.680 group of people who are just some of the most godly and encouraging people you'll 92 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:36.480 ever meet and we encourage each other out there. So we need each other. 93 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:40.160 It's can't, can't fight this thing alone, and some of the things 94 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:45.319 that I've seen in pro life or abolitionists or whatever people want to call themselves, 95 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:46.870 minister, and out an abortion clinic. I've seen people burn out. 96 00:06:46.910 --> 00:06:51.509 I've seen people crash and burn because there are loners out there by themselves and 97 00:06:51.670 --> 00:06:56.029 they're trying to do this thing along with no support, with no encouragement from 98 00:06:56.029 --> 00:06:59.629 their local church, no accountability, and it just does not go well. 99 00:07:00.029 --> 00:07:03.259 Right. Yeah, and the mass of their lives ends up overtaking them and 100 00:07:03.620 --> 00:07:09.060 they become very ineffective. I've seen that more than more than once, right 101 00:07:09.220 --> 00:07:12.740 place, so I can speak very knowledgeably. Yeah, I want you to 102 00:07:12.779 --> 00:07:15.699 get into your store because I think this will help. This will help people. 103 00:07:15.810 --> 00:07:18.370 Yeah, about I don't know, four years ago, four to five 104 00:07:18.410 --> 00:07:23.009 years ago, was when it started and I was I'd been on the sidewalk 105 00:07:23.050 --> 00:07:28.649 probably about a year. I had experienced spiritual warfare, but not to the 106 00:07:28.850 --> 00:07:33.800 extent of what happened. All in the space of about three months and in 107 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:41.720 that time period in my life, really everything that I held dear fell apart. 108 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:47.110 There were severe family issues. My family just really imploded. Yeah, 109 00:07:47.149 --> 00:07:56.430 in many areas, savings wiped out my both my parents were put in and 110 00:07:56.750 --> 00:08:01.579 they lost their health and had to go into assisted living and I pretty much 111 00:08:01.819 --> 00:08:07.019 singlehandedly moved them. I was the one that went and and helped to gather 112 00:08:07.139 --> 00:08:11.180 all their things, went to the nursing homes and and help them select a 113 00:08:11.180 --> 00:08:18.449 nursing home and enormously emotionally difficult. Yeah, both my dogs, my beloved 114 00:08:18.649 --> 00:08:26.410 dogs, died of cancer and then I was diagnosed with breast cancer, and 115 00:08:26.610 --> 00:08:33.799 that all happened literally within a three month period, right. So it was 116 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.159 a mess going on. Oh, it was such a mess and in every 117 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.909 area and I really had no idea, yea, how I was going to 118 00:08:43.149 --> 00:08:48.549 survive. Yeah, there was just so much sorrow, yeah, and despair. 119 00:08:50.230 --> 00:08:56.860 So I had a choice. I could have stopped coming out to the 120 00:08:56.139 --> 00:09:03.100 sidewalk, but I didn't because I kept saying in my head I hate what's 121 00:09:03.139 --> 00:09:07.220 happening in my life, and I actually hated some people in my life at 122 00:09:07.259 --> 00:09:13.289 the time, but I hated Satan more. Yeah, and I was not 123 00:09:13.929 --> 00:09:18.490 going to give him the victory. Yeah, I was determined not to give 124 00:09:18.490 --> 00:09:22.690 him the victory and I would drive to the sidewalk for on my ministry day. 125 00:09:22.730 --> 00:09:26.480 At that time, I was coming out just once a week, crying 126 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.720 my eyes out, thinking about all these things, everything that I was facing 127 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:37.080 and thinking, how on earth can I minister to anyone with all that I'm 128 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:45.950 struggling with? And I would get there and God would just take over, 129 00:09:46.269 --> 00:09:48.909 yeah, and take care of me. And I think part of it was 130 00:09:48.110 --> 00:09:54.580 that I was surrounded by godly people who none, a very few new, 131 00:09:54.059 --> 00:09:58.820 if any. Buddy, I don't think I shared with anyone out here much 132 00:09:58.820 --> 00:10:05.419 of what I was going through, but but I was in the midst of 133 00:10:05.500 --> 00:10:11.129 people who were filled with this holy spirit and loved God and and and came 134 00:10:13.809 --> 00:10:18.929 right surrounded me with that, with that love and knowledge of God. So 135 00:10:18.090 --> 00:10:22.799 there was that, which I think was critical. But there was also that 136 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.039 in the midst of all that stuff that I was struggling with, God was 137 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:31.399 using me. There was no doubt there would be women, saved, women 138 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.960 that would come to the Lord, women that would come and talk to me, 139 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.950 women that would choose life, and I knew God was using me as 140 00:10:39.070 --> 00:10:46.350 a an instrument to bring that about and it brought me so much joy, 141 00:10:46.629 --> 00:10:52.139 really the only joy, yeah, that I experienced was experiencing at that time 142 00:10:52.299 --> 00:10:56.139 in my life. Yeah, and purpose. Yeah, well, one of 143 00:10:56.139 --> 00:11:01.259 the realities that we see scripturally speaking, because this is not just we're not 144 00:11:01.460 --> 00:11:05.090 just talking experential the Bible. What the Bible teaches them, what the Bible 145 00:11:05.169 --> 00:11:07.570 says is most important to us, not just our experience. And we talked 146 00:11:07.570 --> 00:11:11.090 about spiritual warfare. People can get kind of weirded out by that. Are 147 00:11:11.090 --> 00:11:15.009 you talking about some cookie stuff, you know, when you're seeing angels and 148 00:11:15.129 --> 00:11:20.000 demons and all that, and I mean biblically the kind of stuff can happen. 149 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.519 Angels Do show up and demons do new show up, but we're not 150 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.440 really talking about that. What we're talking about is is some of the attacks 151 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:31.799 that just come physically. We're talking about attacks that come on your mind, 152 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.750 things that like, why am I thinking this way? Why am I you 153 00:11:35.830 --> 00:11:37.909 know, in just in general, just your life being under a tag. 154 00:11:37.950 --> 00:11:41.509 It seems like you're you're getting hit from every angle. And so we're talking 155 00:11:41.509 --> 00:11:46.309 about spiritual warfare. We really talking about how it hits home practically in a 156 00:11:46.350 --> 00:11:50.460 lot of ways and and how it can you at least. Have you tempted 157 00:11:50.500 --> 00:11:54.620 to back away from ministry in a time where you really just need to press 158 00:11:54.700 --> 00:11:56.820 in now? Yeah, again, there are times when, you know, 159 00:11:56.940 --> 00:12:01.450 I'll tell our volunteers that your first ministry, because a lot of our volunteers 160 00:12:01.649 --> 00:12:05.289 or women, a lot of them homeschool moms and that kind of thing, 161 00:12:07.210 --> 00:12:09.850 and I tell them your first ministries to your family. So here's a gage 162 00:12:11.250 --> 00:12:15.210 for me. If you need to back away from ministry, is you being 163 00:12:15.250 --> 00:12:18.879 out here on the sidewalk taking away from your first and Primary Ministry, which 164 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.039 is to your family? If it's taken away from that doesn't mean that there's 165 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.840 not going to be some times, and we talked about this a little bit 166 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.399 in there in our last couple of podcast there's going to be some times where 167 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.470 you just have to press in and you have to you know, whatever you 168 00:12:31.549 --> 00:12:35.429 know, Miss, you know, soccer games or something like that out. 169 00:12:35.429 --> 00:12:37.870 It shouldn't be a regular pattern. So I'm not encouraging any of that, 170 00:12:37.909 --> 00:12:39.509 but I'm just saying there's gonna be some times some sacrifices you have to make. 171 00:12:39.870 --> 00:12:43.419 But if you're neglecting your first ministry, if you're neglecting your family and 172 00:12:43.580 --> 00:12:48.659 whatever ministry involved in, then you definitely need to rethink that thing. Right. 173 00:12:50.379 --> 00:12:54.299 But there is a hard and I'm listen, we're not on this podcast 174 00:12:54.379 --> 00:12:58.179 to give you the answer of when you need to back away from ministry and 175 00:12:58.259 --> 00:13:00.529 when you need to press in. I'm not. I don't think we're going 176 00:13:00.570 --> 00:13:03.169 to give you the exact answer they only answer we're going to say is you 177 00:13:03.210 --> 00:13:07.129 need to seek the Lord and you need to seek godly counsel from other people. 178 00:13:07.210 --> 00:13:09.490 It's always good, again, to be a part of a local church. 179 00:13:09.529 --> 00:13:11.330 We can talk with your pastor you can talk with other elders in the 180 00:13:11.370 --> 00:13:16.440 church. Of course, if you're a woman and you know if your man, 181 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.799 talk to your wife, talk to your husband, get counseled from them, 182 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:20.279 get counseled from other brothers and sisters. Hey, do I need to 183 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.399 press in or do I need to back away from ministry? But there are 184 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.830 some principles and there's there's a scripture that you brought out. Really think it's 185 00:13:26.830 --> 00:13:31.870 important for us to have a theme scripture. Yes, at least a couple 186 00:13:31.870 --> 00:13:35.149 of scriptures that were thinking about when we're thinking about this whole thing, ministering 187 00:13:35.190 --> 00:13:39.669 through our mess. So what is that scripture? Second Corinthians twelve. Second 188 00:13:39.750 --> 00:13:43.940 Corinthians twelve nine. Okay, and he has said to me, my grace 189 00:13:43.059 --> 00:13:48.820 is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness. Most gladly, 190 00:13:48.940 --> 00:13:54.740 therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses so that the power of Christ 191 00:13:54.139 --> 00:14:01.129 may dwell in me. So that scripture really spoke to me in in one 192 00:14:01.769 --> 00:14:09.690 way, saying, yes, you may bring your mess to ministry and still 193 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.799 be effective in ministry. Yeah, and I think that's kind of the main 194 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:20.919 point of when I was thinking through this, that you can be a mess 195 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:28.070 and still be effective and not to be afraid or feel like a hypocrite that 196 00:14:28.389 --> 00:14:33.149 I'm so broken, how could I poss simply help fix someone else? Yeah, 197 00:14:33.629 --> 00:14:39.980 while I was going through my really extreme struggles, there were some principles 198 00:14:39.379 --> 00:14:46.860 that I learned that sustained me and I think might be valuable to others. 199 00:14:46.259 --> 00:14:54.970 So I I thought of five that that I felt were lessons I had learned 200 00:14:54.049 --> 00:15:01.490 as as I went went through what I was going through. So the first 201 00:15:01.529 --> 00:15:07.200 one is hate and anger should never be our motivation. Okay, for minutes, 202 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.440 because there can be some things going on in your life, personal issues, 203 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:18.039 people that are doing things to you that are not good and taking advantage 204 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.029 of you in certain ways, whatever. I don't know. I'm not going 205 00:15:22.070 --> 00:15:24.110 to name out a bunch of contime. I mean it could be a husband 206 00:15:24.110 --> 00:15:28.470 and wife relationship, it could be other relationship. Church relationships, even where 207 00:15:28.470 --> 00:15:31.070 people are taking advantage of people not doing what they should be doing from their 208 00:15:31.149 --> 00:15:37.059 perspective. And of course it's personally offensive. It makes you angry and and 209 00:15:37.860 --> 00:15:41.980 you can be anger angered and just kind of vent that anger you at the 210 00:15:43.019 --> 00:15:48.059 abortion clinic or whatever ministry that you're involved in. And we tell people and 211 00:15:48.259 --> 00:15:52.370 we put it out there. I'll refer you, guys, to to our 212 00:15:52.409 --> 00:15:54.889 sidewalks for life site and I talked about this article I'd wrote at the very 213 00:15:54.889 --> 00:15:58.250 beginning. We started putting out ball post for that website. And it's the 214 00:15:58.289 --> 00:16:03.850 philosophy of ministry. What is our philosophy of Ministry as Gospel sent itsild World 215 00:16:03.889 --> 00:16:07.200 Counselors? And one of those things is that our motivation cannot be hatred for 216 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:12.080 abortion. We can't be motivated by hatred for abortion, by hatred for parenthood, 217 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:17.600 certainly by hatred for people. And and in the same way this that 218 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:21.750 that point, applause here. Hatred cannot be a motivation for ministry. It's 219 00:16:21.870 --> 00:16:26.950 wicked as abortion is, it cannot be our motivation for ministry. Right. 220 00:16:26.629 --> 00:16:30.830 It's not. It's bad to hate abortion. It's not. You should hate 221 00:16:30.830 --> 00:16:33.899 abortion. It's a very evil thing, but it cannot be your primary motivation. 222 00:16:33.980 --> 00:16:38.379 Right, and an understanding. I know when I was going through there 223 00:16:38.500 --> 00:16:41.779 was a great deal of anger. As I was going through my mass, 224 00:16:44.419 --> 00:16:51.210 I really analyzed where that anger was coming from and for me there were two 225 00:16:51.250 --> 00:17:00.330 main areas fear and hurt. Okay. So knowing that actually God used that 226 00:17:00.129 --> 00:17:07.640 revelation of using my own anger and understanding where that was coming from to better 227 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:14.160 understand the people that I was ministering to do too, and feeling greater empathy 228 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:21.230 towards and for them because of what I knew. I was what was the 229 00:17:21.309 --> 00:17:29.829 source of my anger, and it became I was not as defensive or harmed 230 00:17:30.420 --> 00:17:33.339 by their anger, the anger of the peep, because at at least, 231 00:17:33.380 --> 00:17:37.259 I don't know if that's true of all ministries, but certainly in our ministry, 232 00:17:37.380 --> 00:17:41.220 the people we minister to are often very angry. Yeah, at us. 233 00:17:41.220 --> 00:17:47.329 Yeah, we get a lot of angry tirades directed toward us. Yeah, 234 00:17:47.970 --> 00:17:49.970 well, from time to time, from time that time. Yeah, 235 00:17:51.970 --> 00:17:56.450 so I recognize that, just as as I had at times during what I 236 00:17:56.569 --> 00:18:03.640 was going through, fueled my anger in destructive ways. Yeah, that's what 237 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:08.440 those women are often doing. Yeah, out at the abortion center the abortion 238 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:14.430 minded women and it gave me a whole new to really important things, gave 239 00:18:14.470 --> 00:18:21.829 me a whole new insight into ministering to them, but also changed me. 240 00:18:22.269 --> 00:18:26.349 Yeah, it changed me. In the mess that I was going through, 241 00:18:26.630 --> 00:18:33.339 God was healing me and giving me new strategies. You had to more effectively 242 00:18:33.500 --> 00:18:41.099 deal with things that I was doing to cause some of that mess. That's 243 00:18:41.180 --> 00:18:45.369 it. The Lord uses mess that we bring upon ourselves and other people bring 244 00:18:45.410 --> 00:18:49.769 upon us to sanctify us. And ultimately, I think you'll talk a little 245 00:18:49.769 --> 00:18:53.329 bit more about this as we're going through, from your personal experience, but 246 00:18:53.410 --> 00:18:59.640 just biblically in general. Who's our example, right? Jesus example, and 247 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.960 look, get the mess that he had to minister through. Yes, he 248 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:04.599 came into his own and his own did not receive him. So he came 249 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:10.000 to the Jewish people and he's the Messiah. It comes on the scene to 250 00:19:10.509 --> 00:19:12.829 heal their wounds and to, you know, to lead them to truth, 251 00:19:12.869 --> 00:19:17.390 and they outright reject him and he's dealing with, you know, brick law 252 00:19:17.470 --> 00:19:22.190 after brick wall in Ministry and Ultimately He's crucified right, just completely rejected. 253 00:19:22.390 --> 00:19:26.220 All he does is good for people and they want to accuse him of being, 254 00:19:26.500 --> 00:19:30.259 you know, he's casting demons out of people. There's saying you're doing 255 00:19:30.259 --> 00:19:33.500 it by the power of demons. Wow, he can't win for losing with 256 00:19:33.500 --> 00:19:37.140 these people, right. And he's are ultimate example of ministering through the mass. 257 00:19:37.569 --> 00:19:41.970 And yet, you know, we see in Christ that he's always going 258 00:19:42.170 --> 00:19:45.849 to the father, he's always clinging to the father, he's always, you 259 00:19:45.930 --> 00:19:48.690 know, confiding, I guess you could say, in the father and and 260 00:19:49.130 --> 00:19:53.759 and that's his source for life, so to speak. Now he's, of 261 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:59.839 course, the divine son of God, but he's showing us in his humanity, 262 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:03.960 because he lays that that divinity in a sense aside, and in his 263 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:07.670 humanity showing us what it is to be in fellowship with a father and the 264 00:20:07.789 --> 00:20:11.829 minister out of that. And that's an important point exactly. And that's where 265 00:20:11.829 --> 00:20:15.670 where he found his strength and that's where we find our strength and instead of 266 00:20:15.789 --> 00:20:21.150 focusing on how weak we are, how reviled we are, whatever, yea, 267 00:20:21.190 --> 00:20:22.940 because seen on God. You know, the Apostle Paul, you know, 268 00:20:23.059 --> 00:20:27.299 you read that scripture from the Second Corinthians right, another scripture in Second 269 00:20:27.339 --> 00:20:30.220 Corinthians, very early on Second Corinthians, chapter to this is one of my 270 00:20:30.259 --> 00:20:34.849 favorite scriptures when it talks about sufficiency and being sufficient in ourselves. The danger 271 00:20:36.250 --> 00:20:38.890 is when we think we've got it together, that we don't have mess going 272 00:20:38.970 --> 00:20:42.569 on, we've got it figured out and we can minister in our own sufficiency, 273 00:20:44.009 --> 00:20:47.009 that would be that would be a terrible trap to fall into. Yeah, 274 00:20:47.089 --> 00:20:48.529 so, if nothing else, maybe this podcast will help you from from 275 00:20:48.690 --> 00:20:52.319 falling into that Chap, because when you think you've got it figured out and 276 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.119 you can do this in your own strength, you're in the worst place you 277 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:57.519 could possibly be in. But this is sack Corinthians, to Second Corinthians, 278 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:02.400 to and verse fourteen, and says now thinks me to God, who always 279 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:06.349 leads us in triumph in Christ. Our triumph is in Christ, not in 280 00:21:06.589 --> 00:21:11.829 in and of ourselves, and through and through us, diffuses the fragrance of 281 00:21:11.950 --> 00:21:15.589 his knowledge in every place, for we are to God, the fragrance of 282 00:21:15.670 --> 00:21:18.980 Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. To 283 00:21:19.099 --> 00:21:22.819 the one we are the Roma, the aroma of death leading to death, 284 00:21:23.299 --> 00:21:27.059 and to the other, the aroma of life leading to life. Who is 285 00:21:27.140 --> 00:21:32.140 sufficient for these things? And so he's talking about the Ministry of the Gospel. 286 00:21:32.180 --> 00:21:33.289 He's talking about going in. I mean, look at the life of 287 00:21:33.329 --> 00:21:38.170 the Apostle Paul. He's going into areas where people are trying to kill him. 288 00:21:38.210 --> 00:21:42.690 There are people who are refusing his message and casting him out of the 289 00:21:42.769 --> 00:21:47.440 city and threatening to kill him, and mobs are raising up against him, 290 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:51.119 and then there are people who are receiving the message of the Gospel and there 291 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:53.640 are all kinds of miracles taking place through this brother. So he's seeing, 292 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:59.039 like both extremes and he's recognizing in this he says, to one we are 293 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:00.549 the fragrance of death leading to death, like they hate us, they want 294 00:22:00.549 --> 00:22:03.390 us to get away from we are stinching their nostrils, and to the other 295 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:07.630 where fragrance of life leading to life. He says, who's sufficient for these 296 00:22:07.670 --> 00:22:11.549 things, like who can deal with both of these extremes? Who can deal 297 00:22:11.630 --> 00:22:15.460 with the tension of ministry? Who can deal with the mess in personally, 298 00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:21.099 in our lives, and the mess that ministry itself brings? Who's sufficient for 299 00:22:21.180 --> 00:22:26.220 these things? As a rhetorical question, nobody is. That's why our sufficiency, 300 00:22:26.380 --> 00:22:29.740 I think, he goes later on to say in Second Corinthians or another 301 00:22:29.779 --> 00:22:33.609 place, he says that our sufficiency is in Christ, and so it's clinging 302 00:22:33.809 --> 00:22:38.890 to Christ as our sufficiency as we're dealing with the mess. But continue with 303 00:22:40.049 --> 00:22:44.250 what you write and will just piggybacking off of that idea just just briefly. 304 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:49.160 If turning, turning to Christ in the midst of our mess is critical, 305 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:56.240 because I have seen some people become bitter and angry at God in the midst 306 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.750 of their mess, blame it all on him, say why is this happening 307 00:22:59.910 --> 00:23:04.509 to me, and I think that just feeds again into the sense of you 308 00:23:04.630 --> 00:23:10.509 know, I deserve better. Yeah, and no, we don't. We 309 00:23:10.910 --> 00:23:15.180 all deserve hell yeah, but when we are weak and when we completely submit 310 00:23:15.339 --> 00:23:21.579 and lose our pride. I had no pride that it was me doing anything 311 00:23:21.700 --> 00:23:26.299 on that sidewalk because I was bringing nothing to that sidewalk. Yeah, but 312 00:23:26.660 --> 00:23:33.130 Christ really filled me. Yeah, and empowered me to a point where really 313 00:23:33.250 --> 00:23:37.410 even I was surprised, like how is this happening? Out of here, 314 00:23:37.529 --> 00:23:41.049 all the tripture. I believe it's the Apostle Paul Soo, who says that 315 00:23:41.250 --> 00:23:45.359 we have this treasure in earthen vessels. So all we are as these earthen 316 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:48.119 vessels and we think of earthen vessel, you know, and that day and 317 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.880 age we're talking just a common vessel. We're just there's nothing special about us, 318 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:56.190 an earthen vessels, not like a brass or gold or silver vessel. 319 00:23:56.390 --> 00:23:59.829 It's just a common vessel. That's what that's what he's saying. That's what's 320 00:23:59.829 --> 00:24:03.589 implied there. We have this treasure. So imagine putting an awesome treasure, 321 00:24:03.630 --> 00:24:07.750 a bunch of gold, in a just old clay pot. That's that's kind 322 00:24:07.789 --> 00:24:10.900 of the picture there. We have this treasure which is God's spirit, gots 323 00:24:10.940 --> 00:24:14.700 truth, God's word, that's put in these common vessels. There's nothing special 324 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:19.059 about us. It's God's truth. That really that really is. It makes 325 00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:23.059 the difference and you have to understand. I think if we have this mentality 326 00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:27.450 that there's something special about us, that God somehow needs us, then we're 327 00:24:27.450 --> 00:24:30.529 going to crash and burn pretty easy. Yeah, that's really good. and 328 00:24:30.650 --> 00:24:34.250 seeing the mess and being honest about the mess it's going on in our lives 329 00:24:34.410 --> 00:24:40.319 helps us to see our sufficiency in Christ and helps us to see our weness. 330 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.839 And his strength is that that Second Corinthians fourteen passes. His strength is 331 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:48.400 made perfect in weakness. So when we're weak and we ain't got it figured 332 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:52.839 out and we can do this ourselves. The fruit that is being born, 333 00:24:52.109 --> 00:24:59.349 all glory goes to God and and you know will say God did it through 334 00:24:59.470 --> 00:25:03.230 me, he used me like he used a donkey, but that's that's simply 335 00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:06.750 it. I was just a vessel that he used, and he'll use you 336 00:25:06.990 --> 00:25:12.819 too, you know exactly. So the second point that I wrote down as 337 00:25:12.859 --> 00:25:17.660 I was thinking through the principles was that it's similar to the first one, 338 00:25:17.859 --> 00:25:22.769 that hate and anger, anger will never sustain us in ministry. Yeah, 339 00:25:22.890 --> 00:25:26.569 we will burn out very quickly. And you know, great versus James, 340 00:25:26.609 --> 00:25:30.329 James One hundred and twenty, for the anger of Man Does Not Produce the 341 00:25:30.369 --> 00:25:36.839 righteousness of God. So in my own story, I was, like I 342 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.000 had said earlier, I was filled with anger and hurt and pain, but 343 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:47.759 I come to the sidewalk and start ministering and what replaced all of that was 344 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:53.150 just utter joy. Yeah, the joy was that God was using me and 345 00:25:53.349 --> 00:25:59.390 that I knew he was using me because I knew I couldn't do it and 346 00:25:59.430 --> 00:26:06.099 I knew that it was this this this unbelievable spirit that was working through this 347 00:26:06.259 --> 00:26:12.859 very broken in vessel. That is such a powerful thing to have and and 348 00:26:14.140 --> 00:26:19.210 to experience. So it was joy that kept me coming back and that joy 349 00:26:19.410 --> 00:26:27.690 persist there is there's really the one of the happiest places that I am is 350 00:26:27.930 --> 00:26:33.200 on the sidewalk crazy, and not because we and not because of all the 351 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:38.240 horror that is happening in that building, but because the glory of God is 352 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:45.599 exhibited by every volunteer that is there, filled with the spirit and allowing themselves 353 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.470 to be used by him. It is beautiful, yeah, to behold. 354 00:26:49.509 --> 00:26:53.470 Yeah, so do you have anything to add? Add to them? That's 355 00:26:53.589 --> 00:26:56.670 that's good point. Like said, it ties into that first point, right. 356 00:26:56.910 --> 00:27:02.259 And so the third point is our model for ministry should be Jesus, 357 00:27:02.420 --> 00:27:06.779 and I we mentioned that. They is our model for ministry. You know, 358 00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:10.299 the like. You had said something about the bracelets that people used to 359 00:27:10.339 --> 00:27:14.059 wear. What would just what would Jesus do? What would Jesus do? 360 00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:17.490 What would Jesus do? WWJAD, it was all over the place. I 361 00:27:17.650 --> 00:27:22.450 forget what what decade that happened, but tshirts on bracelets became kind of trite. 362 00:27:22.769 --> 00:27:25.289 Yeah, it's true. Yeah, it is true. I think even 363 00:27:25.329 --> 00:27:29.809 more biblically we can look at what did Jesus do? Like your have biblical 364 00:27:29.890 --> 00:27:32.759 example. We don't have to ask ourselves what would Jesus do? We can 365 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.319 look in the scription and say what did Jesus do? What did he do 366 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:38.160 when he experienced opposition? What did he do when he was ridiculed? What 367 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.720 did he do when family members, I mean he had points where his brothers 368 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:45.950 mocked him like you know, if you if you listen, if you're the 369 00:27:45.990 --> 00:27:48.150 son of God and you do these miracles will, why aren't you out there 370 00:27:48.190 --> 00:27:51.230 in the public doing them? You know? And so he certainly dealt with 371 00:27:51.349 --> 00:27:55.349 a lot of the mess of life and ministered through it, again clinging to 372 00:27:55.430 --> 00:27:57.779 the father, and I think that's that's the most important point, as it 373 00:27:57.859 --> 00:28:02.900 has to do with this point. Is Our model of ministry is Jesus. 374 00:28:03.740 --> 00:28:08.500 What did Jesus do? Is He always sought the father's will. He always 375 00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:14.690 clean. You could find Jesus out praying right is discible to find him praying. 376 00:28:15.569 --> 00:28:19.089 He's seeking God, he's clinging to the Lord and that's not always easy 377 00:28:19.170 --> 00:28:22.529 to do when you're dealing with the mess. You know, I had a 378 00:28:22.890 --> 00:28:27.559 time in my life my wife this was back on our twins, my wife 379 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.759 was pregnant with our twins. There eight years old now, right. But 380 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.960 I was coming out. I had been coming out for a couple of years 381 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.559 at that point and we've been coming out as a family to the sidewalks to 382 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.160 minister at the abortion clinic. That was just when I was coming out on 383 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.150 Saturday's. A did another job at that time and and thankfully the Lord Graciously 384 00:28:45.190 --> 00:28:48.910 Open the door for me to do this and on a more full time basis, 385 00:28:48.950 --> 00:28:49.950 but at that time I was not. I was doing other things anyway. 386 00:28:49.950 --> 00:28:53.829 The point is my wife within the hospital for about three months with the 387 00:28:53.910 --> 00:28:57.539 twins hooked up to all these things and all these you know, censors and 388 00:28:57.579 --> 00:29:00.740 all that, because they thought that the twins weren't going to make it. 389 00:29:00.819 --> 00:29:04.740 And that was a difficult mess. Let me just tell you. My wife 390 00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:07.259 is, you know, forty five minutes away and, yeah, I have 391 00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:11.329 for the children at home. We're trying to home school and trying to work 392 00:29:11.450 --> 00:29:15.650 and then still trying to do ministry on the sidewalk and and there were Saturdays 393 00:29:15.930 --> 00:29:18.289 where, you know, I was committed, I really was. I was 394 00:29:18.369 --> 00:29:19.650 like God, I'm going to go there in as much as I can. 395 00:29:19.849 --> 00:29:22.690 That was all by the grace of God's not because I'm special and great and 396 00:29:22.849 --> 00:29:26.480 whatever, and I don't believe that at all. It's all by the grace 397 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.240 of God. I'm like, as much as I can, I'm going to 398 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:30.920 go. Then there are times I couldn't go. I had to go visit 399 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.640 my wife in the hospital, I had to your deal with the children, 400 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:40.710 but I would make it more often than not right and I would. I'm 401 00:29:40.710 --> 00:29:44.750 much dread going because I'm dealing with all this mess and as I'm going I'm 402 00:29:44.990 --> 00:29:47.710 like, man, I need be going here. What I got so much 403 00:29:47.750 --> 00:29:51.670 junk going on my life. And when I would get there, though, 404 00:29:52.109 --> 00:29:55.859 it would be like the heaven opens, that happens, open up exact and 405 00:29:55.940 --> 00:29:59.220 I feel, and I think here's the point, is I feel the pleasure 406 00:29:59.740 --> 00:30:02.940 of my father, like he sees I've pressed through this mess. I didn't 407 00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:06.339 let the devil win and I pressed through. And it might be I came 408 00:30:06.380 --> 00:30:08.089 out and stayed for an hour, I stayed for two hours or whatever, 409 00:30:08.769 --> 00:30:11.609 but it's like it's not about me, it's not about me feeling good, 410 00:30:11.650 --> 00:30:15.609 it's about the Lord. But as children of God, there is a sense 411 00:30:15.690 --> 00:30:21.519 in which the pleasure of the father in our lives is important and you see 412 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.400 that in the life of Jesus. You know, the father speaks from heaven. 413 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:26.960 This is my beloved son and whom I'm well pleased. It's like affirm 414 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.599 ah that we get from the father. It's like your kids, you know, 415 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.279 and they've they've done something good right and they get that affirmation. They 416 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:38.190 feel good and that good feeling of doing the father's will will continue to motivate 417 00:30:38.269 --> 00:30:41.549 us. Sure. Well, you know, we all want to hear well 418 00:30:41.670 --> 00:30:45.589 done, good and faithful servant. I think that's Biblical, then that is 419 00:30:45.750 --> 00:30:49.140 that is where we want to end up. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 420 00:30:49.619 --> 00:30:55.019 but that point of clinging to the father in the midst of that season of 421 00:30:55.059 --> 00:30:57.500 my life, and I've had other seasons where I bualt with other stuff going 422 00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.660 on, like major league. We all did with stuff on a daytoday basis. 423 00:31:00.740 --> 00:31:07.329 But like I'm talking like majorly dealing with stuff and learning to cling to 424 00:31:07.369 --> 00:31:11.049 the father, learning to not neglect prayer, to be in prayer and as 425 00:31:11.089 --> 00:31:15.210 much as I can, and being in the word in as much as we 426 00:31:15.329 --> 00:31:18.240 can. We can't neglect those things. New Man can't live on bread alone, 427 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.279 but every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. We need to 428 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.319 be in God's Word and had I not been by His grace in prayer and 429 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.279 fellowship with him, I don't think I could have made it through that season. 430 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.470 And you know, as a family we came out on the other, 431 00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:37.269 the other side of that season, and it just so such a blessing to 432 00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:40.789 look back and see God brought us through that. And and people ask me, 433 00:31:40.789 --> 00:31:42.230 how did you get through that season? It was it was hard. 434 00:31:42.309 --> 00:31:45.630 Right, yeah, it was hard, but looking back I don't remember it 435 00:31:45.789 --> 00:31:48.259 being that hard. Down the midst of it it was hard, but looking 436 00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:52.140 back I just see the grace of God through it. Right, I'm sure 437 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:56.940 you've probably have experienced that, but I found through my most difficult seasons is 438 00:31:57.099 --> 00:32:01.329 when I felt God was the closest. Yeah, I've had other people say 439 00:32:01.329 --> 00:32:05.970 they felt that he had slammed a door in their face. That was not 440 00:32:06.170 --> 00:32:09.529 my experience. I could just pray for hours. I was consumed with God 441 00:32:09.690 --> 00:32:15.490 because really he was all I had left. That's kind of how I felt. 442 00:32:15.609 --> 00:32:19.680 I had nothing else. But I've heard your story and your wife, 443 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:24.240 Courtney, share that experience with moms that we minister to. What what you 444 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:30.950 all went through with the twins and it's been very powerful in helping. Yeah, 445 00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:35.069 the people that you minister to. And there is just no doubt that 446 00:32:35.230 --> 00:32:39.230 God uses the messes in our life to then go on and help others. 447 00:32:39.349 --> 00:32:45.700 And there is a verse that I can't quite remember word for word, but 448 00:32:46.180 --> 00:32:52.299 that that God does use the struggles in our life so that when we survive 449 00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:57.900 get through them, we can then go on and minister to others. Yeah. 450 00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:02.849 So the fourth point that, oh, I did want to say that 451 00:33:04.569 --> 00:33:08.009 in the ministry, our ministry should be modeled on Jesus. You made it 452 00:33:08.170 --> 00:33:10.690 the, I think, the most important point, that we should be like 453 00:33:10.849 --> 00:33:15.079 Jesus and in the continual turning to the father. But I was thinking about 454 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:22.799 that. How would I have characterized Jesus during the time here on our just 455 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:29.829 in general, describe him, and the first word that would come to my 456 00:33:29.990 --> 00:33:34.029 mind would be love. Yeah, he was filled with love, he was 457 00:33:34.109 --> 00:33:38.230 filled with truth, for sure, but I don't picture him as angry. 458 00:33:38.710 --> 00:33:43.859 Okay, there were periods of anger, righteous anger, when he overturned the 459 00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:49.299 tables or when he would be angry with his particularly the the Pharisees, but 460 00:33:49.539 --> 00:33:54.420 that wasn't how I would characterize him. The the overwhelming picture of Jesus was 461 00:33:54.660 --> 00:34:00.930 of calm. He was the one that calmed the storm, not the one 462 00:34:01.009 --> 00:34:06.450 that stirred up the storm. Yeah, and I think that that's really important, 463 00:34:06.490 --> 00:34:09.719 at least for me, keeping that picture as I'm standing in a in 464 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:17.880 a ministry that has a lot of antagonism being directed towards those of us who 465 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:23.119 are ministering. Yeah, we are to reflect Jesus. Jesus was calm and 466 00:34:23.349 --> 00:34:30.190 confident and filled with truth and able to help the others. Yeah, absolutely. 467 00:34:31.230 --> 00:34:37.190 So. A fourth point is that the messes in our life are no 468 00:34:37.429 --> 00:34:40.260 surprised to God. Yeah, and they I think we have to be very 469 00:34:40.420 --> 00:34:46.500 careful if we say they excuse us from ministry. Yeah, because really all 470 00:34:46.579 --> 00:34:51.579 of us are in some sort of a mess all the time. At least 471 00:34:51.739 --> 00:34:55.289 I am. Maybe I'm unusual, but if I use the man just in 472 00:34:55.369 --> 00:35:00.369 general, human beings are are flawed and broken and we are surrounded by other 473 00:35:00.409 --> 00:35:05.650 human beings that are flawed and broken right our families and in our circles and 474 00:35:06.369 --> 00:35:09.760 work and all of that. So no, everybody has messes there down for 475 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:15.199 sure. So if we're called ministry and we're waiting until we're done with the 476 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.840 mess. Yeah, we'll be waiting forever. Yeah, we've never be in 477 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.469 fattervagnistry. You've left yourself in a mess by not stepping out in faith and 478 00:35:22.789 --> 00:35:27.030 believing that's right. The Lord can move in the midst of that. Yeah. 479 00:35:27.070 --> 00:35:32.429 Yeah. So our the the fifth point, which was the final point 480 00:35:32.510 --> 00:35:36.820 that I came up with just out of my own experiences. This is in 481 00:35:37.019 --> 00:35:40.420 no ways a definitive complete list, but it were just some of the main 482 00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:46.539 principles that I came up with. Our motivation of all our behavior and ministry 483 00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:52.489 should be to glorify God. Yeah, and a great verse with that, 484 00:35:52.530 --> 00:35:57.329 as First Corinthians thirty one. So, whether you eat or drink or whatever 485 00:35:57.570 --> 00:36:01.050 you do, do all to the glory of God. Yeah. Yeah, 486 00:36:01.489 --> 00:36:07.360 and that again, it does into to love. Yeah, it does into 487 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:13.000 a proper understanding of love, a proper perspective of love and a pop a 488 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.119 proper direction of love. What I mean by that is, you know, 489 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.030 Jesus, this gives the too great commandments. Love the Lord, your God, 490 00:36:19.110 --> 00:36:20.989 with all your heart, mind, Sol and strength, and love your 491 00:36:21.030 --> 00:36:24.030 neighbor as yourself. So it's not just that love should be our promo, 492 00:36:24.230 --> 00:36:29.550 primary motivation for ministry, because if it's just love for human beings and love 493 00:36:29.630 --> 00:36:31.750 for people, you love for unborn children, love for women, love for 494 00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:36.539 people who are poverished or whatever. If that's our primary motivation, it's the 495 00:36:36.619 --> 00:36:39.780 cart before the horse. Our first motivations should be a love for God, 496 00:36:39.940 --> 00:36:45.500 and because we love him, then we love our neighbor and we can probably 497 00:36:45.539 --> 00:36:49.489 show love toward our neighbor and we can probably love our neighbor like we should 498 00:36:49.489 --> 00:36:53.250 if we first are connected to God through love for him. Yeah, because 499 00:36:53.250 --> 00:36:58.329 if we're motivated by just love for people, especially if you're involved in the 500 00:36:58.369 --> 00:37:01.079 ministry that we're in, we're dealing with and we certainly love the women, 501 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.599 no doubt about it. But if our primary motivation is love for women, 502 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.719 these poor innocent women that are in these difficult situations, are going to be 503 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.840 burned real quick because you're going to find that they don't love you back. 504 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.400 They're not some of them, some type. You know what, it's almost 505 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:19.150 as bad as as being motivated by hate being being motivated by love. In 506 00:37:19.389 --> 00:37:22.510 any rest. That in yes, in terms that you're going to be disappointed 507 00:37:22.590 --> 00:37:28.630 in either way. Yeah, you know, because you're you were going exactly 508 00:37:28.750 --> 00:37:32.659 where. My thoughts for going as you were speaking, that they don't always 509 00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:37.380 treat us back with love, and it is it would be very easy, 510 00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:43.099 and I have seen many volunteers burn out because they're so disappointed. I gave 511 00:37:43.179 --> 00:37:45.650 my all, I was so good, I was so kind, I was 512 00:37:45.730 --> 00:37:49.769 so loving, and they still rejected me. Yeah, well, yeah, 513 00:37:49.769 --> 00:37:52.690 and that's why it has to be loved for God and a desire to see 514 00:37:52.730 --> 00:37:57.530 God glorified through our ministry, because if it's not a desire to see God's 515 00:37:57.650 --> 00:38:01.639 glory, if it's only a desire to help poor, innocent people or whatever, 516 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:07.320 then again we're going to be disappointed. And you know, it's an 517 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:12.869 unbiblical motivation. It's all about God's glory and it kind of ties into this 518 00:38:13.030 --> 00:38:17.429 idea that even though there are victories and we see victories on a regular basis, 519 00:38:19.309 --> 00:38:22.710 that we can't take ownership of those victories just as much as we can't 520 00:38:22.710 --> 00:38:28.019 take ownership of the defeats. I'm sure we've probably shared that in a podcast 521 00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:31.380 before, something we tell our folks. We can't take ownership of the victories, 522 00:38:31.420 --> 00:38:35.139 and we don't. We Give Glory to God and we're just these earthen 523 00:38:35.179 --> 00:38:37.860 vessels that God has chosen to use and he'll use any earthen vessel that that 524 00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:42.650 he wants to use. But we also can't take ownership of the defeat. 525 00:38:42.769 --> 00:38:45.130 And if it's love for God and I'm motivated by love for him, then 526 00:38:45.329 --> 00:38:50.409 really the outward results, as easy is for me to say and hard as 527 00:38:50.610 --> 00:38:53.489 it is for us to really walk in, don't matter. That's come out 528 00:38:53.489 --> 00:38:57.360 here because of God. I'm out here to glorify God. So, whether 529 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.840 babies are saved or not, I'm going to be here because it's not about 530 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.840 whether babies are saved or not. It's not about whether I feel good about 531 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.960 myself or not. It's about God's glory. He's called me to be here, 532 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:08.400 so I'm going to do it, whether there's an outward result or not. 533 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.590 Now again, that's you for me to say, and it's really hard 534 00:39:12.630 --> 00:39:15.309 to do when you're involved in ministry and you might not see. I mean 535 00:39:15.349 --> 00:39:19.309 there's days where we're out there and we see twenty, thirty, forty babies 536 00:39:19.349 --> 00:39:22.829 going to that abortion clinic that are being killed by their mothers and fought by 537 00:39:22.869 --> 00:39:25.019 their mothers through the abortionist and the fathers are there and doing nothing about it. 538 00:39:25.300 --> 00:39:29.460 Yeah, and it can be very discouraging when you don't see anybody choose 539 00:39:29.539 --> 00:39:32.300 life. Yeah, we have to remind ourselves constantly this is not about me, 540 00:39:32.739 --> 00:39:36.739 it's not even about them. It is about God and I'm out here 541 00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:40.449 to bring glory to His name and obedience to him. That's right, that's 542 00:39:40.489 --> 00:39:45.969 right. I love this verse from Niam Neamia, Ndred and ten and do 543 00:39:45.130 --> 00:39:50.610 not be grieved for the joy of the Lord. It's your strength. Yeah, 544 00:39:50.889 --> 00:39:52.719 yeah, the love of the Lord and the joy of the Lord. 545 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:57.880 Yes, what empowers us. Amen. Well, we hope you guys were 546 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.639 encouraged by this podcast. We were certainly encouraged by going through these points and 547 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:06.599 reading these scriptures and talking about these things. We hope to be able to 548 00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:10.469 put this up on our sidewalks for life site as a blog post to help 549 00:40:10.510 --> 00:40:15.550 encourage people involved. 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We 555 00:40:35.849 --> 00:40:38.769 certainly could do better and we know that, but we do hope that you 556 00:40:38.849 --> 00:40:44.250 are blessed by we hope you visit our website, that sidewalks for lifecom, 557 00:40:44.730 --> 00:40:47.849 sidewalks on number four lifecom, and then locally Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot 558 00:40:47.889 --> 00:40:52.840 Org, and again that you share the content that we put on these websites 559 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.639 with other people. We pray God's blessing of you as you seek to serve 560 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.159 him, whatever ministry he calls you to. Just seek to do it for 561 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.960 his glory and understand the sufficiency is not in you, it's not in your 562 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:07.110 wisdom and your ability, but your sufficiency comes from Christ and you cling to 563 00:41:07.150 --> 00:41:10.349 him. He is the vine and we are the branches. If we abide 564 00:41:10.349 --> 00:41:14.230 in him, will bear much fruit. So God bless you as you continue 565 00:41:14.269 --> 00:41:16.710 to bear fruit, as you abide in him, and and we'll talk to 566 00:41:16.789 --> 00:41:30.099 you soon. Give me our love for love, give me our loft for 567 00:41:30.340 --> 00:41:42.449 gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. 568 00:41:42.769 --> 00:41:44.130 And some that you