May The Words Of Our Mouths Be Completely True

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.160 In that context. I'll talk about the regret and I will say something to 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:08.429 the effective is. You will regret this decision. It might take a year 3 00:00:08.470 --> 00:00:11.550 from now, it might take a month from now, it might take ten 4 00:00:11.589 --> 00:00:14.910 years from now, might take twenty years, it might take until you breathe 5 00:00:14.910 --> 00:00:18.629 your last breath and you stand before God, but you will regret this decision. 6 00:00:19.429 --> 00:00:24.660 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me, 7 00:00:25.019 --> 00:00:30.260 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the 8 00:00:30.300 --> 00:00:36.210 Gospel Center pro life podcast, a podcast design to equip, encourage and challenge 9 00:00:36.250 --> 00:00:40.250 you in pro life ministry and always were the focus on the Gospel. Stay 10 00:00:40.329 --> 00:00:51.439 tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me, Lord. 11 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:58.359 Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining 12 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:03.200 us as always and we would appreciate if you guys would share this podcast episode 13 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.069 share the podcast in general with people that you think would be blessed by it. 14 00:01:07.709 --> 00:01:12.069 Are Focus in this podcast is bringing a gospel centered pro life message to 15 00:01:12.310 --> 00:01:17.829 abortion centers. That's been the main focus. There's episodes that we do we 16 00:01:17.870 --> 00:01:21.700 kind of speak of other things from other perspectives than just the sidewalk ministry, 17 00:01:21.739 --> 00:01:25.859 but we've sort of gravitated toward the sidewalk ministry and really trying to equip and 18 00:01:25.900 --> 00:01:30.299 encourage people because this is such a difficult ministry. Yes, and we've learned 19 00:01:30.340 --> 00:01:33.969 a lot over the years and doing this ministry and there's not a lot out 20 00:01:34.049 --> 00:01:38.689 there that talks on a regular basis about the sidewalk ministry. Is Such your 21 00:01:38.730 --> 00:01:42.329 unique scenario and we feel like we have a unique perspective in this scenario. 22 00:01:42.849 --> 00:01:47.879 And so, anyway, we hope that if you know people that are involved 23 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.840 in sidewalk ministry, they'll be blessed by this podcast episode. Will Give you, 24 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:53.519 guys, our email addresses at the end. If you have questions, 25 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:59.959 maybe by this episode or other episodes, maybe you've got suggestions for future episodes, 26 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.909 things that we can cover or maybe people we can interview or something like 27 00:02:02.950 --> 00:02:07.590 that. would be more than willing to consider that. So what's our subject 28 00:02:07.629 --> 00:02:10.509 for today, Vicky? Well, that we want to be above reproach. 29 00:02:10.550 --> 00:02:16.180 Yeah, when we're out there we are ambassadors of the Lord and we need 30 00:02:16.259 --> 00:02:22.259 to be very careful that what we say is completely true. Yeah, not 31 00:02:22.419 --> 00:02:27.419 just true, completely true. I think every one of us, as we 32 00:02:27.620 --> 00:02:32.370 go through this podcast I think we will all recognize that. You know, 33 00:02:32.930 --> 00:02:38.050 there are times I exaggerate. Yeah, and does that exaggeration do harm? 34 00:02:38.210 --> 00:02:42.409 And I think by the end of this podcast I think we would all maybe 35 00:02:42.530 --> 00:02:46.080 come to a conclusion it could. It could do harm right to our overall 36 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:52.599 message if any portion of it is found to be false. Yeah, well, 37 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.759 let script true. That comes to minds nineteen, verse fourteen. Let 38 00:02:55.800 --> 00:03:00.830 the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your 39 00:03:00.909 --> 00:03:05.349 side, Oh Lord, my rock and my redeemer. Above and beyond anything 40 00:03:05.469 --> 00:03:09.349 else is we want to honor Jesus. Right, we want our words to 41 00:03:09.469 --> 00:03:13.699 be true, we want them to be acceptable in the side of the Lord. 42 00:03:14.300 --> 00:03:19.099 Even out of pure motives, we sometimes may embellish the truth. Yeah, 43 00:03:19.340 --> 00:03:23.460 the fact is, though, the horror of abortion is horrible enough without 44 00:03:23.500 --> 00:03:29.770 us and bellishing on the truth adding to the reality of abortion. Right, 45 00:03:29.969 --> 00:03:36.129 bad enough. They're murdering babies right right. The wonder of a baby inside 46 00:03:36.169 --> 00:03:42.879 the womb and that miracle of life is so awesome. Just speaking from a 47 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.759 truth for perspective, without embellishing your adding anything to it. So sometimes, 48 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.680 out of maybe good motives of our heart, we want to do the right 49 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.439 thing. We embellish on how bad abortion is or we embellish on how awesome, 50 00:03:54.909 --> 00:04:01.150 you know, baby inside the womb is. And and really the danger 51 00:04:01.430 --> 00:04:06.349 is that you tell someone something about the horror of abortion or whatever, inside 52 00:04:06.349 --> 00:04:09.710 of there they're going to do this or that. Will get in some examples 53 00:04:09.750 --> 00:04:12.460 of that inside of that building. If you go in there, they're going 54 00:04:12.500 --> 00:04:16.620 to whatever. Yeah, I can think I gave an example before we started 55 00:04:16.740 --> 00:04:20.100 this episode of I've heard people say on a microphone or out in front of 56 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:24.610 the abortion center they're going to put a hook inside of your woman rip your 57 00:04:24.649 --> 00:04:27.329 baby out like a meat hook or something like. No, that's not true. 58 00:04:27.649 --> 00:04:30.129 Actually right. And when women go in there, because inevitably they're going 59 00:04:30.129 --> 00:04:33.129 to go in there, and that doesn't happen, then the person out on 60 00:04:33.170 --> 00:04:38.800 the sidewalk that said that is actually everything they said, even the things that 61 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:43.519 were true have all been discounted, that's all been disproven. So that's the 62 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.319 danger. First we want to honor Jesus and secondly, we don't want to 63 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:51.120 give the enemy any foothold and any we don't we give them an inch. 64 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:57.990 Right, right, so that we say we embellish on some thing and all 65 00:04:58.029 --> 00:05:00.310 the other things we say are true, all those other true things get discounting, 66 00:05:00.350 --> 00:05:03.189 get thrown out. Yeah. So, so one that I just thought 67 00:05:03.230 --> 00:05:10.100 of was I have heard many times people say that all the abortionists have terrible 68 00:05:10.259 --> 00:05:15.180 records, have broken the law, have no admitting privileges. Yeah, to 69 00:05:15.379 --> 00:05:18.860 area hospitals. Yeah, many have. I have, you know, gone 70 00:05:18.860 --> 00:05:23.649 over the records of many, but not all of them do have that, 71 00:05:23.730 --> 00:05:28.290 that kind of a record. Yeah. So when we say all of them 72 00:05:28.810 --> 00:05:31.730 and someone just has to come up with one that doesn't, we've just been 73 00:05:31.769 --> 00:05:38.000 discredited. Right. So you, you may know your own facility and for 74 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:42.160 a while. We don't know all the abortionists that are at the facility where 75 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:46.319 we serve right now, but the ones that we do know, we do 76 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.389 know their record and we can speak about their record. What we do know 77 00:05:49.509 --> 00:05:54.790 what's public knowledge. But if you don't know for a fact, it's best 78 00:05:54.990 --> 00:06:00.069 not to say it, right because you will be discredited. You told me 79 00:06:00.149 --> 00:06:04.740 a story about someone outside of the abortion center that used to talk about the 80 00:06:04.860 --> 00:06:09.300 dead babies. Oh yeah, and yeah, there was a guy who, 81 00:06:09.379 --> 00:06:13.180 I mean we may have mentioned him a couple times, who was not very 82 00:06:13.220 --> 00:06:16.259 helpful. His now pro life presence out there right, every helpful. He 83 00:06:16.300 --> 00:06:20.689 would yell all kinds of just weird things and just hateful, angry things, 84 00:06:20.689 --> 00:06:25.810 things like if you have an abortion, God hates you and all these things. 85 00:06:25.850 --> 00:06:30.410 Here also yell and hurt him do this a couple times. There's a 86 00:06:30.529 --> 00:06:34.839 fifty five gallon drum of dead babies in the back of their and my no, 87 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:39.720 there's not. Actually, there's not. Understand what he's trying to do. 88 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:46.959 He's trying to provoke them to to the graphic reality what they're involved in 89 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:49.269 and all these other things, painting them a horrific image. And it is 90 00:06:49.389 --> 00:06:53.629 horrific, but it's not true, right, it's not true. There's not 91 00:06:53.670 --> 00:06:56.949 a fifty five gallon drum of dead babies in the back of the abortion signer. 92 00:06:58.230 --> 00:07:01.740 The truth, though, is that there are baby body parts stuffed and 93 00:07:01.899 --> 00:07:06.019 biohazard bags like. That's the truth. Yeah, that truth, to me, 94 00:07:06.220 --> 00:07:10.420 is just as graphic as there being a fifty five gallon drum a dead 95 00:07:10.459 --> 00:07:15.220 babies. Right, they're taking precious Little Imag it's bears of God, sucking 96 00:07:15.259 --> 00:07:18.610 them into pieces and putting their precious little bodies in a bow hazard bag and 97 00:07:18.769 --> 00:07:23.810 throwing them out with medical waste. Right. That's a grievous thing. Yeah, 98 00:07:24.250 --> 00:07:26.850 now, understand that. There's a fifty five gallon drum. A dead 99 00:07:26.889 --> 00:07:29.930 babies in the back is a lot shorter to say and had more, maybe 100 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.680 emotional impact. Yeah, but it's simply not true. That's right. And 101 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:40.279 anyone knows that that's not right. Right. Anyone who's a rational thinking person 102 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:45.509 would right away say that's that's not true. Right. And so, yeah, 103 00:07:45.509 --> 00:07:47.230 I mean I think again, that's maybe an extreme example, but we 104 00:07:47.310 --> 00:07:51.310 do need to be consistent what we're saying. Yeah, I heard some of 105 00:07:51.389 --> 00:07:55.230 our counselors, I think of his hard counselors. Maybe they were visiting, 106 00:07:55.350 --> 00:07:59.860 but they calling out the abortionist as a convicted rapist here. Right. First 107 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:01.259 of all, that abortionist is in a longer hair. Secondly, he is 108 00:08:01.339 --> 00:08:05.740 not a convicted rapist. He was arrested for rape, but he was not 109 00:08:05.980 --> 00:08:11.860 convicted. Right. And so words matter. That's cat character assassination. And 110 00:08:11.930 --> 00:08:16.170 and now you know, personally I don't believe he had much of a character 111 00:08:16.209 --> 00:08:20.529 left to assassinate, but sure none the less, that was not an accurate 112 00:08:20.569 --> 00:08:24.209 statement. Yeah, and and so it should not be said. Yeah, 113 00:08:24.209 --> 00:08:28.040 yeah, and of course I've addressed it with people laid out the facts. 114 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.399 I will say this guy was arrested for rape, right, because that's true. 115 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.679 Right, was. There's a picture of him in his arms jumpsuit, 116 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:41.750 yes, from his arrest for rape. Right. And I will say that 117 00:08:41.149 --> 00:08:45.149 he pulled into the parking lot saying rape them and send them here. I 118 00:08:45.230 --> 00:08:48.870 guy that was arrested for rapes going to pull in a year, I don't 119 00:08:48.870 --> 00:08:52.350 know how many years later, saying rape them and send them here. What 120 00:08:52.509 --> 00:08:56.419 a just a wicked guy. Right, right, but he's not a convicted 121 00:08:56.460 --> 00:09:01.059 rapist. Yeah, why does that matter? Because it's not true. So 122 00:09:01.259 --> 00:09:03.940 it's not true. Be careful what you say. But those other things you 123 00:09:03.139 --> 00:09:07.620 said are terrible in and of themselves, and that's truth. Often Times is 124 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:11.009 worse than the embellishment of truth. It is and that is our basic point, 125 00:09:11.090 --> 00:09:13.889 folks. There are things we can say that are so powerful that are 126 00:09:15.090 --> 00:09:18.889 true, so be careful that they are completely true. Here's one of my 127 00:09:18.009 --> 00:09:24.169 pet peeve ones. I've heard it called out nationwide. I hear it not 128 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.879 just people that are associated with love life but, you know, other pro 129 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.519 life groups. I hear this frequently. Whatever you need, we will provide 130 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.639 it. Now I know the motivation. What they're saying is there are churches, 131 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:41.309 there are people willing to help you and and the desire is so deep 132 00:09:41.789 --> 00:09:46.070 to help these women and to make sure that they understand that there are people 133 00:09:46.070 --> 00:09:50.389 that will help them. However, whatever you need, we will provide it. 134 00:09:50.990 --> 00:09:56.100 I can't back that up night at that is not true. It is 135 00:09:56.940 --> 00:10:03.259 it speaks to a desire to help these women. And what I could say 136 00:10:03.299 --> 00:10:09.049 that's true is whatever situation we you face, I know that we can link 137 00:10:09.090 --> 00:10:13.649 you with resources that can help. Yeah, that I know is true because 138 00:10:13.690 --> 00:10:16.129 I've been at this a long time and there's never been a woman whose situation 139 00:10:16.690 --> 00:10:22.120 we haven't been able to help. We don't heal it, we don't completely 140 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.279 fix it, but I know that there are resources that we can offer that 141 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.960 that will help, and so that I have to change my words to be 142 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.480 careful to reflect that. Yeah, yeah, my common statement is whatever your 143 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.909 situation is, we can help you. Now, I'm not implying in that, 144 00:10:39.110 --> 00:10:43.750 nor am I trying to put in there that every circumstance we have some 145 00:10:43.909 --> 00:10:46.070 kind of answer. We can give you money for whatever your struggle is. 146 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.179 I don't ever imply that, because that's again, that's simply not true, 147 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:54.059 no one can do that. No one can provide every knee that these women 148 00:10:54.179 --> 00:10:56.139 have, other than God, under the other than the Lord. Right, 149 00:10:56.179 --> 00:11:01.980 right. But we can in any situation because, like you, have been 150 00:11:01.019 --> 00:11:05.090 at this a long time and I've seen situations, very difficult situations, that 151 00:11:05.210 --> 00:11:11.009 we've been able to find resources for. Yeah, finding those resources, connecting 152 00:11:11.049 --> 00:11:13.649 women with those resources is, in a lot of scenarios, the best that 153 00:11:13.769 --> 00:11:18.210 we can do. We can't force them to you know, they'll say they're 154 00:11:18.210 --> 00:11:22.320 in an abusive situation with their boyfriend or their husband. If you're in that 155 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:24.679 situation, we can find housing for you, we can find a resource, 156 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.960 but we can't make you take advantage of that resource and when you move into 157 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.509 that new housing, if you take advantage of that resource, we can't divide 158 00:11:33.509 --> 00:11:35.309 all of your groceries and things like that. We can do our best, 159 00:11:35.350 --> 00:11:39.950 we can provide some of that stuff, but no one can provide everything. 160 00:11:39.029 --> 00:11:45.909 Right, and ultimately we want to make sure in this particular scenario that we 161 00:11:46.070 --> 00:11:50.620 don't appear ourselves to be the provider anyway. Yes, it's really cannot be 162 00:11:50.779 --> 00:11:54.940 the resource. We cannot be who they look to for all of their help. 163 00:11:54.980 --> 00:11:58.179 Right. That's not healthy. Even if we could provide everything that they 164 00:11:58.259 --> 00:12:03.529 need, it's not healthy for us to be the single resource of provision for 165 00:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.490 them. Ultimately, they need to learn to lean on the Lord. Yeah, 166 00:12:07.529 --> 00:12:09.129 so that's why it's important, in my mind, to connect them with 167 00:12:09.289 --> 00:12:13.769 other organizations of resources that can walk with them through this stuff, rather than 168 00:12:13.889 --> 00:12:18.720 just kind of having this mentality of we can throw money at your problems and 169 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.080 and what? We can't do that in every situation. Right. And number 170 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.320 two, money is not always going to solve it's very rarely going to actually 171 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.320 solve the problem anyway. Yeah, and I have a great, true, 172 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:33.830 completely true story. Yeah, that illustrates this point that one of the counselors 173 00:12:33.870 --> 00:12:39.830 had called out about housing and the the man that was their issue and the 174 00:12:39.110 --> 00:12:46.019 the guy said you can provide housing tonight, and they said yes, and 175 00:12:46.100 --> 00:12:48.620 I'm like Oh, brother, yeah, well, the guy left, the 176 00:12:48.700 --> 00:12:52.779 guy and the girl left and they called me. They had gone to McDonald's 177 00:12:52.820 --> 00:12:56.220 down the street and they called me and he said tell me about this housing 178 00:12:56.299 --> 00:13:01.809 you can provide tonight, and I was not the one that had said that. 179 00:13:01.649 --> 00:13:07.730 I knew nothing about their situation. Could I provide a couple together with 180 00:13:07.970 --> 00:13:13.679 housing in the next few hours. No Way. I I could certainly point 181 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.320 him to resources, but could I promise that? No, and they ended 182 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.039 up coming back in a boarding. He hung up on me when I tried 183 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.600 to express what I just expressed, what the truth was that I could do. 184 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.230 I would start calling housing. I did have a list. I I'd 185 00:13:28.269 --> 00:13:31.669 be happy to email him that list, and he hung up on me and 186 00:13:31.710 --> 00:13:35.070 they came back and aboard it. Yeah, so that's the danger. If 187 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:41.620 you're caught in a lie, you lose credibility in everything that you legitimately can 188 00:13:41.059 --> 00:13:43.779 offer. And I know that counsel was not lying right. She was. 189 00:13:45.100 --> 00:13:50.139 She was just caught up in the desire to help that couple and and save 190 00:13:50.259 --> 00:13:54.100 that child's life, and I get that. I feel the same day. 191 00:13:54.259 --> 00:13:58.450 But we really have to be careful. Yeah, and again we're not the 192 00:13:58.850 --> 00:14:01.450 we're not the resource for these people. We're not trying to point them to 193 00:14:01.490 --> 00:14:05.529 ourselves. We're trying to point them to the Lord and we don't have to 194 00:14:05.610 --> 00:14:09.730 feel like we need to answer all their questions and meet all their needs in 195 00:14:09.850 --> 00:14:13.320 order for we've said it, we did a whole podcast about this, that 196 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.360 even if we couldn't meet any of their needs, even if we had zero 197 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.919 resources, zero connection with any ministry organization, zero connection with any church, 198 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.230 all we had was our voices out there saying don't give your baby, we 199 00:14:26.309 --> 00:14:31.190 would still be justified in standing out there saying don't take the life of your 200 00:14:31.230 --> 00:14:35.789 baby. I think that is one of the most important things I have heard 201 00:14:35.830 --> 00:14:39.860 you say. I've heard you say it at training and and I think it 202 00:14:39.059 --> 00:14:43.779 is so important that we all keep that in our heart. Yeah, well, 203 00:14:43.860 --> 00:14:50.700 it is great to offer resources and it will often help kind of get 204 00:14:50.899 --> 00:14:54.169 make the people want to come talk with us because we've offered them something. 205 00:14:54.049 --> 00:15:00.529 But we are there. We are completely justified in being there because what they're 206 00:15:00.529 --> 00:15:05.409 about to do is take a completely innocent little Babi's life and and that that 207 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.519 should not happen. Yeah, we should be a line to speak. If 208 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.960 we turn the scenrea around a little bit and let's say they are killing three 209 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.799 year olds instide of that building and we're standing there and we're saying don't kill 210 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.590 your three year old, don't take your baby in there, your three year 211 00:15:22.629 --> 00:15:26.070 old child, you're toddler in there to be killed. Were watching women walk, 212 00:15:26.110 --> 00:15:28.389 they're toddler in there and someone walks up and says, are you all 213 00:15:28.429 --> 00:15:31.110 for? Are you going to adopt their three year old? Are you going 214 00:15:31.149 --> 00:15:33.909 to take care of them for the rest of the life? Yeah, would 215 00:15:33.909 --> 00:15:37.059 we then say, well, okay, yeah, you're right, so go 216 00:15:37.100 --> 00:15:39.220 ahead going there and maybe what can I say now? Right, right, 217 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:43.580 resources is one of our three talking points. Right, yeah, but it's 218 00:15:43.580 --> 00:15:46.659 not the most important. The most important is the Lord. I mean this 219 00:15:46.779 --> 00:15:52.049 bowls down to this is a violation of God's word. Killing innocent people is 220 00:15:52.090 --> 00:15:54.649 a violation of God's word. These babies are made in the image of God 221 00:15:56.690 --> 00:15:58.929 and whether we have resources, to me, there needs or not. Thank 222 00:15:58.009 --> 00:16:03.210 God we do, but we still are justified in again, we can't meet 223 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:04.320 all their needs. To to say that we can meet all of their needs 224 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.320 is just not true. Not Truth with the truth. But what you just 225 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:14.679 said is so important and so valuable and that's so resonated with me that I 226 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.789 actually will say that over the microphone to the mothers. I often say that 227 00:16:19.070 --> 00:16:23.710 after I go through the resources that we can offer, that we know we 228 00:16:23.950 --> 00:16:27.309 have, and then I then I say exactly that. But if we had 229 00:16:27.549 --> 00:16:32.669 none of that, if we could offer you none of that, we are 230 00:16:32.860 --> 00:16:37.299 still justified in standing here telling you that your baby is precious and that God 231 00:16:37.340 --> 00:16:41.220 would not have you take that innocent life. Yeah, and please don't do 232 00:16:41.299 --> 00:16:44.379 that, please don't kill your baby, and I think that is fine. 233 00:16:44.419 --> 00:16:47.769 I think it is fine to remind them of that, because not only do 234 00:16:47.970 --> 00:16:53.169 we not want our counselors feeling that unless we offer resources, we're not justified 235 00:16:53.250 --> 00:16:57.570 in standing there, we want to be sure the MOMS and dad's know that 236 00:16:57.730 --> 00:17:04.079 as well. Yeah, so another one that I hear a lot is the 237 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:11.640 baby will die in excruciating death. And again that is just probably not true. 238 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.309 Yeah, it's probably not always true, not always, although scientifically there's 239 00:17:15.349 --> 00:17:21.150 been some studies that have been done on how a baby feels pain and things 240 00:17:21.230 --> 00:17:23.390 like that, so further along in pregnancy, right, and we're not going 241 00:17:23.430 --> 00:17:27.230 to drill into all of that. Yeah, you guys Google it, search 242 00:17:27.309 --> 00:17:33.019 it. When does a baby feel pain? There's conflicting evidence site. But 243 00:17:33.420 --> 00:17:37.940 to say that baby is going to going to suffer excruciating pain is not necessarily 244 00:17:37.980 --> 00:17:41.940 the truth. Embellishing on something. It could be true, it could not 245 00:17:41.059 --> 00:17:45.369 be true. And eat you even have. I won't get into the depths 246 00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:49.450 of this, but you have any like in certain states fetal pain laws, 247 00:17:49.609 --> 00:17:53.930 where they pass laws to restrict abortion because at such and such things, twenty 248 00:17:53.970 --> 00:17:56.690 weeks or whatever. Twenty weeks is where they agree it. Probably, they 249 00:17:56.769 --> 00:18:02.799 probably do feel pain earlier. Yeah, they probably don't at the in that 250 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.599 first at least early in the first trimester. Almost certainly they don't. Yes, 251 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.160 and just to bring it back to to the to the real truth here, 252 00:18:11.950 --> 00:18:15.990 whether they feel pain or not, is it relevant? Right, you 253 00:18:17.109 --> 00:18:21.069 don't kill people. I mean, let's say there's a human being this boord 254 00:18:21.109 --> 00:18:22.710 and maybe this has happened. Maybe it's a disorder, I'm not sure, 255 00:18:23.470 --> 00:18:27.140 but let's just in a pretense scenario, imagine there's a baby that's born that 256 00:18:27.259 --> 00:18:32.660 doesn't have the the nerogic neurological functions in their brain to be able to feel 257 00:18:32.660 --> 00:18:36.660 pain. Yeah, can we therefore dismember them because they can't feel pain? 258 00:18:37.099 --> 00:18:40.619 Of course lessly not right. Because someone can't feel pain, you know, 259 00:18:40.779 --> 00:18:44.529 people in a coma can't feel pain. We don't go and hack them up 260 00:18:44.529 --> 00:18:47.809 with a machete. Right. We don't find it at as a society justifiable. 261 00:18:48.410 --> 00:18:52.289 And so if we as pro lifers, push this idea and understand why 262 00:18:52.289 --> 00:18:55.289 people do it, I'm not trying to dig into all of that politics and 263 00:18:55.329 --> 00:18:57.640 all that stuff. But if we want to put value on human beings based 264 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.400 on the fact that they can feel pain, then we're talk about counterproductive and 265 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.119 counterintuitive. That's counterproductive, encounterintuitive. Yes, I keep keep coming back to 266 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:12.910 the truth. More important, really way more important, than whether they feel 267 00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:17.829 pain or not, is that they are going to be literally ripped apart, 268 00:19:17.950 --> 00:19:23.299 limb by limb, and in an older baby in the womb. And that 269 00:19:25.059 --> 00:19:29.660 is a human being. Yeah, a living human being that that is happening 270 00:19:29.859 --> 00:19:34.099 to whether they feel pain or not. That is just a travesty. Yes, 271 00:19:34.220 --> 00:19:37.740 yes, send so in this particular point, we're not saying that that 272 00:19:37.900 --> 00:19:41.250 can't be true. Do your study, to your yeah, research on this. 273 00:19:41.930 --> 00:19:45.089 I will say if they're twenty weeks or past, that baby is going 274 00:19:45.130 --> 00:19:48.130 to feel pain, and I think we sawowly know that. Yeah, before 275 00:19:48.250 --> 00:19:52.519 that. Again, that's irrelevant to me. YEA reality. Yeah, what's 276 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.119 relevant to me is that's an image bearer of God that's going to be brutally 277 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.039 murdered. Yeah, that's a reality. I'm not embellishing on the truth. 278 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.319 That's what's going to happen. Yeah, and whether they feel pain, or 279 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.630 not yet. Now I will say when I have someone who's with me, 280 00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:11.509 I'm counseling, and maybe she's got a sixteen or seventeen week old, I 281 00:20:11.630 --> 00:20:15.069 will say, you know, there is there is a good chance that that 282 00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:21.150 child is going to feel pain, and then I'll describe the neurology that when 283 00:20:21.190 --> 00:20:26.220 the CORTEX is and fully developed, that the pain receptors are not inhibited and 284 00:20:26.579 --> 00:20:30.420 the pain is more excruciating than what we would experience. And can you imagine 285 00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:37.609 the pain of being unnesthesized and having your arm ripped off? Yeah, and 286 00:20:37.049 --> 00:20:41.690 that is another point that I think we talked about earlier. I don't think 287 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:44.450 we've mentioned it in the podcast. Is We're not doing any of this to 288 00:20:44.609 --> 00:20:49.119 emotionally manipulate, or if we are, be careful because we don't wear our 289 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:53.839 attempt is not, or shouldn't be, to manipulate, but it is okay 290 00:20:55.720 --> 00:21:00.240 to call upon an emotional response that a normal human being should have. Yeah, 291 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:06.710 it is a normal human response to hearing the fact that a living human 292 00:21:06.789 --> 00:21:10.069 being is going to be ripped apart limb by limb. It's a normal human 293 00:21:10.150 --> 00:21:14.309 response to feel horror, and that is what happens in a surgical abortion. 294 00:21:14.470 --> 00:21:18.190 Yes, so it is. It is. That is completely true, and 295 00:21:18.579 --> 00:21:22.299 it is okay to say things that are completely true. Yeah, and if 296 00:21:22.339 --> 00:21:27.900 their emotions are, you know, inflamed by that statement, well, they 297 00:21:27.940 --> 00:21:32.779 should be. Yeah, and it's not because I want to manipulate it's because 298 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:36.730 I want you to have a normal response to what you are about to do. 299 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:41.730 Right. Yeah, often times the way to a person's mind and to 300 00:21:41.809 --> 00:21:45.329 their cognitive reason is through their emotions. Right. So, it's not wrong 301 00:21:45.450 --> 00:21:49.000 to play on emotions. It's not wrong to appeal to someone's feelings and a 302 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.279 lay out the facts and here's what's about to happen, here's the truth. 303 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.200 But what is wrong to embellish on the truth for that Sake. Right, 304 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.400 play on their emotions by embellishing on the truth. When to make sure that 305 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.150 the words of our mouth, the meditations of our harder acceptable in the side 306 00:22:03.190 --> 00:22:06.630 of the Lord, what we're saying needs to be true. And again, 307 00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:10.670 like we said, the truth is horrific enough. We don't have to add 308 00:22:10.710 --> 00:22:14.349 to it. And sometimes we shoot our own selves in the foot. Yeah, 309 00:22:14.509 --> 00:22:18.859 for lack of a better terminology, there by trying to embellish on the 310 00:22:18.940 --> 00:22:26.140 truth. Yeah, I am an author and use exaggeration as a literary tool. 311 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.890 Yeah, a lot, and to make my story more exciting. So 312 00:22:32.930 --> 00:22:40.009 the thought that exaggeration is not a good idea in this setting, as someone 313 00:22:40.089 --> 00:22:45.279 out on the sidewalk, was at first a little bit hard for me because 314 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:51.359 it's very natural for me. Yea, I use words that exaggerate or embellish 315 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.480 and I've had to really scale that back. I've had to really be conscious 316 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.069 of that and I think that's what we're saying in this podcast. Be careful, 317 00:23:00.190 --> 00:23:06.829 be careful about exaggeration. Yeah, because it it is sometimes perceived as 318 00:23:06.950 --> 00:23:14.859 will full false statements and and we would never want to speak falsely. Yeah, 319 00:23:15.099 --> 00:23:18.940 absolutely. Yeah. So just to kind of wrap this thing up on 320 00:23:18.019 --> 00:23:22.059 if you want them to make another point, these loans. One of them. 321 00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:26.539 Another just last one is that, because I hear it so frequently, 322 00:23:26.900 --> 00:23:30.730 is people say women will immediately regret their abortion. Yeah, and again, 323 00:23:30.890 --> 00:23:36.930 that is not true. Statistically. That is not true. That I know. 324 00:23:37.130 --> 00:23:41.210 In my own experience it was not true. What I experienced was relief. 325 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:47.480 Overwhelmingly, what women experience immediately following an abortion, at least in the 326 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:52.799 studies that have been done, is relief. The the regret tends to come 327 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:57.029 later. Yeah, when they are there's a really they get over the shock, 328 00:23:57.190 --> 00:24:02.150 they get over the immediate situation that caused them to be there in the 329 00:24:02.190 --> 00:24:06.109 first place and then regret can set in. Yeah, but I like what 330 00:24:06.230 --> 00:24:10.220 you said. Maybe we could close with that where where you talked about where 331 00:24:11.019 --> 00:24:14.500 there will be regret one day. Yeah, yeah, when I talk about 332 00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:18.180 regret, and I do use that yes, I'm talking to women and not 333 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:22.579 the first thing I'm going to come out and say talking to the men. 334 00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:23.930 I'm not going to come out and just say, Hey, you're going to 335 00:24:25.009 --> 00:24:27.130 regret this and then be the first thing. I'm going to talk along the 336 00:24:27.210 --> 00:24:30.930 lines of our three talking points. Yeah, they're accountable to God. When 337 00:24:30.930 --> 00:24:33.930 I get into the more in depth in the conversation, I will talk about 338 00:24:33.930 --> 00:24:37.410 the regret that's going to come and even if I'm on the microphone or whatever, 339 00:24:37.410 --> 00:24:42.680 I'm speaking in that context, I'll talk about the regret and I will 340 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.200 say something to the effective as you will regret this decision. It might take 341 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:51.160 a year from now, it might take a month from now, it might 342 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:53.549 take ten years from now, might take twenty years, it might take until 343 00:24:53.589 --> 00:24:56.990 you breathe your last breath and you stand before God, but you will regret 344 00:24:57.109 --> 00:25:02.390 this decision and I don't want you to live with regret and God doesn't want 345 00:25:02.390 --> 00:25:04.910 you to have eternal regret. So don't go in there and take the life 346 00:25:04.910 --> 00:25:08.140 of your child. That's kind of when I'm talking about regret, because it 347 00:25:08.180 --> 00:25:11.180 is true, and I've had many conversations, one of the things that the 348 00:25:11.259 --> 00:25:15.779 pro aboards kind of throw it us. Women don't regret their abortions. That's 349 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.140 an absurd statement. We, you and I both know, and we've seen 350 00:25:19.180 --> 00:25:23.210 it on a regular basis. Women that do immediately regret their abortion. Right. 351 00:25:23.369 --> 00:25:27.730 There are women that we watch walk out of the abortion center, that 352 00:25:27.890 --> 00:25:32.730 have stopped in the driveway on the way out after having the abortion, that 353 00:25:32.849 --> 00:25:37.279 immediately regret that decision. Women that take advantage of the abortion pill reversal, 354 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:40.640 right, those are women that regretted the decision to take that abortion pill. 355 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.119 So there are many women that do regret. Yeah, but the idea that 356 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.549 every woman regrets an abortion immediately is not true. It's not true. Now, 357 00:25:49.589 --> 00:25:52.509 are there women that do? Yes, do many. I'm we can 358 00:25:52.549 --> 00:25:55.829 get it all the numbers. I haven't read all the studies that you have, 359 00:25:56.630 --> 00:25:59.269 but also in talking to the pro boards, when they talk about women 360 00:25:59.309 --> 00:26:03.390 are women and buy in large field relief when they have an abortion. We 361 00:26:03.430 --> 00:26:06.539 get that may be true. That may be true. That doesn't make abortion 362 00:26:06.579 --> 00:26:11.420 okay, right, but also we imagine that there's a scenario in which regret 363 00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:14.259 and relief can exist in the same heart, in the same mind. They 364 00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:18.890 certainly can. You've all made decisions that we regret and were relieved by those 365 00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:22.769 decisions. Often times when we sin, that sin brings some kind of relief. 366 00:26:22.809 --> 00:26:26.730 I mean, think about sex outside of marriage. There's a certain amount 367 00:26:26.730 --> 00:26:30.250 of relief that comes with that decision, right, but then there's also regret 368 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:34.279 often time. So there's two things can exist in the same heart. My 369 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.400 point with that is, like we want to make sure we're not embellishing every 370 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.720 woman regrets an abortion soon as they have it. Not True. Many women 371 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:48.069 do, many women don't. Reality is everyone will when they stand before the 372 00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:52.069 Lord. Then we're bringing an eternal perspective. So we're not embellishing on the 373 00:26:52.109 --> 00:26:55.309 truth, but we're actually building on the truth, the truth that there is 374 00:26:55.430 --> 00:27:00.029 regret, and bringing an eternal perspective to that that truth. Right. Yeah, 375 00:27:00.349 --> 00:27:04.539 yeah, that's great. So we hope that this, this episode, 376 00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:07.660 was a blessing and encouragement. Do you a challenge to you guys? Maybe 377 00:27:07.700 --> 00:27:11.099 there's some other things and certainly I'm sure there's many other subjects that we can 378 00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:15.170 get into and I think we'll probably learn from our own selves or all mistakes 379 00:27:15.690 --> 00:27:19.730 where we embellish on the truth and we have to be corrected. And so 380 00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:22.809 if we have more of those things, maybe we'll bring some of those things 381 00:27:22.849 --> 00:27:26.569 to you guys. Maybe you guys have some things, maybe you have of 382 00:27:26.009 --> 00:27:30.240 some push back on some of these things. Maybe you say these things on 383 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.359 a regular basis and you think way, these things are perfectly okay. I'm 384 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:36.920 not embellishing the truth. We'd love to hear from you. I'm willing to 385 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.640 be corrected on these things. More than anything, and I know Vicky is 386 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:44.160 as well. More than anything, what our desire is as we want to 387 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.910 honor God right and we trust those are listening your desire. You want to 388 00:27:47.950 --> 00:27:51.269 honor Jesus, and so if there's anything you feel like you could add to 389 00:27:51.269 --> 00:27:53.670 this conversation, we'd love to hear from you. If there's future episodes from 390 00:27:53.710 --> 00:27:56.349 other subjects or whatever you'd like for us to cover. We'd love to hear 391 00:27:56.390 --> 00:28:00.059 from you. Can reach out to me. Daniel a love life dot work. 392 00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.619 You reach her, Vicky had loved life dot Org. We hope that 393 00:28:03.700 --> 00:28:06.619 this was a blessing to you and until next time, God bless God, 394 00:28:06.660 --> 00:28:18.329 bless you all. Give our love for love. Give me our love for 395 00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:30.680 gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, 396 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.359 and some that you