Jan. 20, 2022

May The Words Of Our Mouths Be Completely True

May The Words Of Our Mouths Be Completely True

In our zeal to reach women at the abortion center there can be a strong temptation to exaggerate or add to what we know to be true. In this epsiode, we discuss this, give some scriptural insights, and share some personal experiences that will help encourage us all to speak only what is completely true and leave the results up to the Lord.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.160 In that context. I'll talk about the regret and I will say something to 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:08.429 the effective is. You will regret this decision. It might take a year 3 00:00:08.470 --> 00:00:11.550 from now, it might take a month from now, it might take ten 4 00:00:11.589 --> 00:00:14.910 years from now, might take twenty years, it might take until you breathe 5 00:00:14.910 --> 00:00:18.629 your last breath and you stand before God, but you will regret this decision. 6 00:00:19.429 --> 00:00:24.660 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me, 7 00:00:25.019 --> 00:00:30.260 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the 8 00:00:30.300 --> 00:00:36.210 Gospel Center pro life podcast, a podcast design to equip, encourage and challenge 9 00:00:36.250 --> 00:00:40.250 you in pro life ministry and always were the focus on the Gospel. Stay 10 00:00:40.329 --> 00:00:51.439 tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me, Lord. 11 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:58.359 Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining 12 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:03.200 us as always and we would appreciate if you guys would share this podcast episode 13 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.069 share the podcast in general with people that you think would be blessed by it. 14 00:01:07.709 --> 00:01:12.069 Are Focus in this podcast is bringing a gospel centered pro life message to 15 00:01:12.310 --> 00:01:17.829 abortion centers. That's been the main focus. There's episodes that we do we 16 00:01:17.870 --> 00:01:21.700 kind of speak of other things from other perspectives than just the sidewalk ministry, 17 00:01:21.739 --> 00:01:25.859 but we've sort of gravitated toward the sidewalk ministry and really trying to equip and 18 00:01:25.900 --> 00:01:30.299 encourage people because this is such a difficult ministry. Yes, and we've learned 19 00:01:30.340 --> 00:01:33.969 a lot over the years and doing this ministry and there's not a lot out 20 00:01:34.049 --> 00:01:38.689 there that talks on a regular basis about the sidewalk ministry. Is Such your 21 00:01:38.730 --> 00:01:42.329 unique scenario and we feel like we have a unique perspective in this scenario. 22 00:01:42.849 --> 00:01:47.879 And so, anyway, we hope that if you know people that are involved 23 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.840 in sidewalk ministry, they'll be blessed by this podcast episode. Will Give you, 24 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:53.519 guys, our email addresses at the end. If you have questions, 25 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:59.959 maybe by this episode or other episodes, maybe you've got suggestions for future episodes, 26 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.909 things that we can cover or maybe people we can interview or something like 27 00:02:02.950 --> 00:02:07.590 that. would be more than willing to consider that. So what's our subject 28 00:02:07.629 --> 00:02:10.509 for today, Vicky? Well, that we want to be above reproach. 29 00:02:10.550 --> 00:02:16.180 Yeah, when we're out there we are ambassadors of the Lord and we need 30 00:02:16.259 --> 00:02:22.259 to be very careful that what we say is completely true. Yeah, not 31 00:02:22.419 --> 00:02:27.419 just true, completely true. I think every one of us, as we 32 00:02:27.620 --> 00:02:32.370 go through this podcast I think we will all recognize that. You know, 33 00:02:32.930 --> 00:02:38.050 there are times I exaggerate. Yeah, and does that exaggeration do harm? 34 00:02:38.210 --> 00:02:42.409 And I think by the end of this podcast I think we would all maybe 35 00:02:42.530 --> 00:02:46.080 come to a conclusion it could. It could do harm right to our overall 36 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:52.599 message if any portion of it is found to be false. Yeah, well, 37 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.759 let script true. That comes to minds nineteen, verse fourteen. Let 38 00:02:55.800 --> 00:03:00.830 the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your 39 00:03:00.909 --> 00:03:05.349 side, Oh Lord, my rock and my redeemer. Above and beyond anything 40 00:03:05.469 --> 00:03:09.349 else is we want to honor Jesus. Right, we want our words to 41 00:03:09.469 --> 00:03:13.699 be true, we want them to be acceptable in the side of the Lord. 42 00:03:14.300 --> 00:03:19.099 Even out of pure motives, we sometimes may embellish the truth. Yeah, 43 00:03:19.340 --> 00:03:23.460 the fact is, though, the horror of abortion is horrible enough without 44 00:03:23.500 --> 00:03:29.770 us and bellishing on the truth adding to the reality of abortion. Right, 45 00:03:29.969 --> 00:03:36.129 bad enough. They're murdering babies right right. The wonder of a baby inside 46 00:03:36.169 --> 00:03:42.879 the womb and that miracle of life is so awesome. Just speaking from a 47 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.759 truth for perspective, without embellishing your adding anything to it. So sometimes, 48 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.680 out of maybe good motives of our heart, we want to do the right 49 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.439 thing. We embellish on how bad abortion is or we embellish on how awesome, 50 00:03:54.909 --> 00:04:01.150 you know, baby inside the womb is. And and really the danger 51 00:04:01.430 --> 00:04:06.349 is that you tell someone something about the horror of abortion or whatever, inside 52 00:04:06.349 --> 00:04:09.710 of there they're going to do this or that. Will get in some examples 53 00:04:09.750 --> 00:04:12.460 of that inside of that building. If you go in there, they're going 54 00:04:12.500 --> 00:04:16.620 to whatever. Yeah, I can think I gave an example before we started 55 00:04:16.740 --> 00:04:20.100 this episode of I've heard people say on a microphone or out in front of 56 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:24.610 the abortion center they're going to put a hook inside of your woman rip your 57 00:04:24.649 --> 00:04:27.329 baby out like a meat hook or something like. No, that's not true. 58 00:04:27.649 --> 00:04:30.129 Actually right. And when women go in there, because inevitably they're going 59 00:04:30.129 --> 00:04:33.129 to go in there, and that doesn't happen, then the person out on 60 00:04:33.170 --> 00:04:38.800 the sidewalk that said that is actually everything they said, even the things that 61 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:43.519 were true have all been discounted, that's all been disproven. So that's the 62 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.319 danger. First we want to honor Jesus and secondly, we don't want to 63 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:51.120 give the enemy any foothold and any we don't we give them an inch. 64 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:57.990 Right, right, so that we say we embellish on some thing and all 65 00:04:58.029 --> 00:05:00.310 the other things we say are true, all those other true things get discounting, 66 00:05:00.350 --> 00:05:03.189 get thrown out. Yeah. So, so one that I just thought 67 00:05:03.230 --> 00:05:10.100 of was I have heard many times people say that all the abortionists have terrible 68 00:05:10.259 --> 00:05:15.180 records, have broken the law, have no admitting privileges. Yeah, to 69 00:05:15.379 --> 00:05:18.860 area hospitals. Yeah, many have. I have, you know, gone 70 00:05:18.860 --> 00:05:23.649 over the records of many, but not all of them do have that, 71 00:05:23.730 --> 00:05:28.290 that kind of a record. Yeah. So when we say all of them 72 00:05:28.810 --> 00:05:31.730 and someone just has to come up with one that doesn't, we've just been 73 00:05:31.769 --> 00:05:38.000 discredited. Right. So you, you may know your own facility and for 74 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:42.160 a while. We don't know all the abortionists that are at the facility where 75 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:46.319 we serve right now, but the ones that we do know, we do 76 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.389 know their record and we can speak about their record. What we do know 77 00:05:49.509 --> 00:05:54.790 what's public knowledge. But if you don't know for a fact, it's best 78 00:05:54.990 --> 00:06:00.069 not to say it, right because you will be discredited. You told me 79 00:06:00.149 --> 00:06:04.740 a story about someone outside of the abortion center that used to talk about the 80 00:06:04.860 --> 00:06:09.300 dead babies. Oh yeah, and yeah, there was a guy who, 81 00:06:09.379 --> 00:06:13.180 I mean we may have mentioned him a couple times, who was not very 82 00:06:13.220 --> 00:06:16.259 helpful. His now pro life presence out there right, every helpful. He 83 00:06:16.300 --> 00:06:20.689 would yell all kinds of just weird things and just hateful, angry things, 84 00:06:20.689 --> 00:06:25.810 things like if you have an abortion, God hates you and all these things. 85 00:06:25.850 --> 00:06:30.410 Here also yell and hurt him do this a couple times. There's a 86 00:06:30.529 --> 00:06:34.839 fifty five gallon drum of dead babies in the back of their and my no, 87 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:39.720 there's not. Actually, there's not. Understand what he's trying to do. 88 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:46.959 He's trying to provoke them to to the graphic reality what they're involved in 89 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:49.269 and all these other things, painting them a horrific image. And it is 90 00:06:49.389 --> 00:06:53.629 horrific, but it's not true, right, it's not true. There's not 91 00:06:53.670 --> 00:06:56.949 a fifty five gallon drum of dead babies in the back of the abortion signer. 92 00:06:58.230 --> 00:07:01.740 The truth, though, is that there are baby body parts stuffed and 93 00:07:01.899 --> 00:07:06.019 biohazard bags like. That's the truth. Yeah, that truth, to me, 94 00:07:06.220 --> 00:07:10.420 is just as graphic as there being a fifty five gallon drum a dead 95 00:07:10.459 --> 00:07:15.220 babies. Right, they're taking precious Little Imag it's bears of God, sucking 96 00:07:15.259 --> 00:07:18.610 them into pieces and putting their precious little bodies in a bow hazard bag and 97 00:07:18.769 --> 00:07:23.810 throwing them out with medical waste. Right. That's a grievous thing. Yeah, 98 00:07:24.250 --> 00:07:26.850 now, understand that. There's a fifty five gallon drum. A dead 99 00:07:26.889 --> 00:07:29.930 babies in the back is a lot shorter to say and had more, maybe 100 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.680 emotional impact. Yeah, but it's simply not true. That's right. And 101 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:40.279 anyone knows that that's not right. Right. Anyone who's a rational thinking person 102 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:45.509 would right away say that's that's not true. Right. And so, yeah, 103 00:07:45.509 --> 00:07:47.230 I mean I think again, that's maybe an extreme example, but we 104 00:07:47.310 --> 00:07:51.310 do need to be consistent what we're saying. Yeah, I heard some of 105 00:07:51.389 --> 00:07:55.230 our counselors, I think of his hard counselors. Maybe they were visiting, 106 00:07:55.350 --> 00:07:59.860 but they calling out the abortionist as a convicted rapist here. Right. First 107 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:01.259 of all, that abortionist is in a longer hair. Secondly, he is 108 00:08:01.339 --> 00:08:05.740 not a convicted rapist. He was arrested for rape, but he was not 109 00:08:05.980 --> 00:08:11.860 convicted. Right. And so words matter. That's cat character assassination. And 110 00:08:11.930 --> 00:08:16.170 and now you know, personally I don't believe he had much of a character 111 00:08:16.209 --> 00:08:20.529 left to assassinate, but sure none the less, that was not an accurate 112 00:08:20.569 --> 00:08:24.209 statement. Yeah, and and so it should not be said. Yeah, 113 00:08:24.209 --> 00:08:28.040 yeah, and of course I've addressed it with people laid out the facts. 114 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.399 I will say this guy was arrested for rape, right, because that's true. 115 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.679 Right, was. There's a picture of him in his arms jumpsuit, 116 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:41.750 yes, from his arrest for rape. Right. And I will say that 117 00:08:41.149 --> 00:08:45.149 he pulled into the parking lot saying rape them and send them here. I 118 00:08:45.230 --> 00:08:48.870 guy that was arrested for rapes going to pull in a year, I don't 119 00:08:48.870 --> 00:08:52.350 know how many years later, saying rape them and send them here. What 120 00:08:52.509 --> 00:08:56.419 a just a wicked guy. Right, right, but he's not a convicted 121 00:08:56.460 --> 00:09:01.059 rapist. Yeah, why does that matter? Because it's not true. So 122 00:09:01.259 --> 00:09:03.940 it's not true. Be careful what you say. But those other things you 123 00:09:03.139 --> 00:09:07.620 said are terrible in and of themselves, and that's truth. Often Times is 124 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:11.009 worse than the embellishment of truth. It is and that is our basic point, 125 00:09:11.090 --> 00:09:13.889 folks. There are things we can say that are so powerful that are 126 00:09:15.090 --> 00:09:18.889 true, so be careful that they are completely true. Here's one of my 127 00:09:18.009 --> 00:09:24.169 pet peeve ones. I've heard it called out nationwide. I hear it not 128 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.879 just people that are associated with love life but, you know, other pro 129 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.519 life groups. I hear this frequently. Whatever you need, we will provide 130 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.639 it. Now I know the motivation. What they're saying is there are churches, 131 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:41.309 there are people willing to help you and and the desire is so deep 132 00:09:41.789 --> 00:09:46.070 to help these women and to make sure that they understand that there are people 133 00:09:46.070 --> 00:09:50.389 that will help them. However, whatever you need, we will provide it. 134 00:09:50.990 --> 00:09:56.100 I can't back that up night at that is not true. It is 135 00:09:56.940 --> 00:10:03.259 it speaks to a desire to help these women. And what I could say 136 00:10:03.299 --> 00:10:09.049 that's true is whatever situation we you face, I know that we can link 137 00:10:09.090 --> 00:10:13.649 you with resources that can help. Yeah, that I know is true because 138 00:10:13.690 --> 00:10:16.129 I've been at this a long time and there's never been a woman whose situation 139 00:10:16.690 --> 00:10:22.120 we haven't been able to help. We don't heal it, we don't completely 140 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.279 fix it, but I know that there are resources that we can offer that 141 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.960 that will help, and so that I have to change my words to be 142 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.480 careful to reflect that. Yeah, yeah, my common statement is whatever your 143 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.909 situation is, we can help you. Now, I'm not implying in that, 144 00:10:39.110 --> 00:10:43.750 nor am I trying to put in there that every circumstance we have some 145 00:10:43.909 --> 00:10:46.070 kind of answer. We can give you money for whatever your struggle is. 146 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.179 I don't ever imply that, because that's again, that's simply not true, 147 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:54.059 no one can do that. No one can provide every knee that these women 148 00:10:54.179 --> 00:10:56.139 have, other than God, under the other than the Lord. Right, 149 00:10:56.179 --> 00:11:01.980 right. But we can in any situation because, like you, have been 150 00:11:01.019 --> 00:11:05.090 at this a long time and I've seen situations, very difficult situations, that 151 00:11:05.210 --> 00:11:11.009 we've been able to find resources for. Yeah, finding those resources, connecting 152 00:11:11.049 --> 00:11:13.649 women with those resources is, in a lot of scenarios, the best that 153 00:11:13.769 --> 00:11:18.210 we can do. We can't force them to you know, they'll say they're 154 00:11:18.210 --> 00:11:22.320 in an abusive situation with their boyfriend or their husband. If you're in that 155 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:24.679 situation, we can find housing for you, we can find a resource, 156 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.960 but we can't make you take advantage of that resource and when you move into 157 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.509 that new housing, if you take advantage of that resource, we can't divide 158 00:11:33.509 --> 00:11:35.309 all of your groceries and things like that. We can do our best, 159 00:11:35.350 --> 00:11:39.950 we can provide some of that stuff, but no one can provide everything. 160 00:11:39.029 --> 00:11:45.909 Right, and ultimately we want to make sure in this particular scenario that we 161 00:11:46.070 --> 00:11:50.620 don't appear ourselves to be the provider anyway. Yes, it's really cannot be 162 00:11:50.779 --> 00:11:54.940 the resource. We cannot be who they look to for all of their help. 163 00:11:54.980 --> 00:11:58.179 Right. That's not healthy. Even if we could provide everything that they 164 00:11:58.259 --> 00:12:03.529 need, it's not healthy for us to be the single resource of provision for 165 00:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.490 them. Ultimately, they need to learn to lean on the Lord. Yeah, 166 00:12:07.529 --> 00:12:09.129 so that's why it's important, in my mind, to connect them with 167 00:12:09.289 --> 00:12:13.769 other organizations of resources that can walk with them through this stuff, rather than 168 00:12:13.889 --> 00:12:18.720 just kind of having this mentality of we can throw money at your problems and 169 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.080 and what? We can't do that in every situation. Right. And number 170 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.320 two, money is not always going to solve it's very rarely going to actually 171 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.320 solve the problem anyway. Yeah, and I have a great, true, 172 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:33.830 completely true story. Yeah, that illustrates this point that one of the counselors 173 00:12:33.870 --> 00:12:39.830 had called out about housing and the the man that was their issue and the 174 00:12:39.110 --> 00:12:46.019 the guy said you can provide housing tonight, and they said yes, and 175 00:12:46.100 --> 00:12:48.620 I'm like Oh, brother, yeah, well, the guy left, the 176 00:12:48.700 --> 00:12:52.779 guy and the girl left and they called me. They had gone to McDonald's 177 00:12:52.820 --> 00:12:56.220 down the street and they called me and he said tell me about this housing 178 00:12:56.299 --> 00:13:01.809 you can provide tonight, and I was not the one that had said that. 179 00:13:01.649 --> 00:13:07.730 I knew nothing about their situation. Could I provide a couple together with 180 00:13:07.970 --> 00:13:13.679 housing in the next few hours. No Way. I I could certainly point 181 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.320 him to resources, but could I promise that? No, and they ended 182 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.039 up coming back in a boarding. He hung up on me when I tried 183 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.600 to express what I just expressed, what the truth was that I could do. 184 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.230 I would start calling housing. I did have a list. I I'd 185 00:13:28.269 --> 00:13:31.669 be happy to email him that list, and he hung up on me and 186 00:13:31.710 --> 00:13:35.070 they came back and aboard it. Yeah, so that's the danger. If 187 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:41.620 you're caught in a lie, you lose credibility in everything that you legitimately can 188 00:13:41.059 --> 00:13:43.779 offer. And I know that counsel was not lying right. She was. 189 00:13:45.100 --> 00:13:50.139 She was just caught up in the desire to help that couple and and save 190 00:13:50.259 --> 00:13:54.100 that child's life, and I get that. I feel the same day. 191 00:13:54.259 --> 00:13:58.450 But we really have to be careful. Yeah, and again we're not the 192 00:13:58.850 --> 00:14:01.450 we're not the resource for these people. We're not trying to point them to 193 00:14:01.490 --> 00:14:05.529 ourselves. We're trying to point them to the Lord and we don't have to 194 00:14:05.610 --> 00:14:09.730 feel like we need to answer all their questions and meet all their needs in 195 00:14:09.850 --> 00:14:13.320 order for we've said it, we did a whole podcast about this, that 196 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.360 even if we couldn't meet any of their needs, even if we had zero 197 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.919 resources, zero connection with any ministry organization, zero connection with any church, 198 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.230 all we had was our voices out there saying don't give your baby, we 199 00:14:26.309 --> 00:14:31.190 would still be justified in standing out there saying don't take the life of your 200 00:14:31.230 --> 00:14:35.789 baby. I think that is one of the most important things I have heard 201 00:14:35.830 --> 00:14:39.860 you say. I've heard you say it at training and and I think it 202 00:14:39.059 --> 00:14:43.779 is so important that we all keep that in our heart. Yeah, well, 203 00:14:43.860 --> 00:14:50.700 it is great to offer resources and it will often help kind of get 204 00:14:50.899 --> 00:14:54.169 make the people want to come talk with us because we've offered them something. 205 00:14:54.049 --> 00:15:00.529 But we are there. We are completely justified in being there because what they're 206 00:15:00.529 --> 00:15:05.409 about to do is take a completely innocent little Babi's life and and that that 207 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.519 should not happen. Yeah, we should be a line to speak. If 208 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.960 we turn the scenrea around a little bit and let's say they are killing three 209 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.799 year olds instide of that building and we're standing there and we're saying don't kill 210 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.590 your three year old, don't take your baby in there, your three year 211 00:15:22.629 --> 00:15:26.070 old child, you're toddler in there to be killed. Were watching women walk, 212 00:15:26.110 --> 00:15:28.389 they're toddler in there and someone walks up and says, are you all 213 00:15:28.429 --> 00:15:31.110 for? Are you going to adopt their three year old? Are you going 214 00:15:31.149 --> 00:15:33.909 to take care of them for the rest of the life? Yeah, would 215 00:15:33.909 --> 00:15:37.059 we then say, well, okay, yeah, you're right, so go 216 00:15:37.100 --> 00:15:39.220 ahead going there and maybe what can I say now? Right, right, 217 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:43.580 resources is one of our three talking points. Right, yeah, but it's 218 00:15:43.580 --> 00:15:46.659 not the most important. The most important is the Lord. I mean this 219 00:15:46.779 --> 00:15:52.049 bowls down to this is a violation of God's word. Killing innocent people is 220 00:15:52.090 --> 00:15:54.649 a violation of God's word. These babies are made in the image of God 221 00:15:56.690 --> 00:15:58.929 and whether we have resources, to me, there needs or not. Thank 222 00:15:58.009 --> 00:16:03.210 God we do, but we still are justified in again, we can't meet 223 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:04.320 all their needs. To to say that we can meet all of their needs 224 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.320 is just not true. Not Truth with the truth. But what you just 225 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:14.679 said is so important and so valuable and that's so resonated with me that I 226 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.789 actually will say that over the microphone to the mothers. I often say that 227 00:16:19.070 --> 00:16:23.710 after I go through the resources that we can offer, that we know we 228 00:16:23.950 --> 00:16:27.309 have, and then I then I say exactly that. But if we had 229 00:16:27.549 --> 00:16:32.669 none of that, if we could offer you none of that, we are 230 00:16:32.860 --> 00:16:37.299 still justified in standing here telling you that your baby is precious and that God 231 00:16:37.340 --> 00:16:41.220 would not have you take that innocent life. Yeah, and please don't do 232 00:16:41.299 --> 00:16:44.379 that, please don't kill your baby, and I think that is fine. 233 00:16:44.419 --> 00:16:47.769 I think it is fine to remind them of that, because not only do 234 00:16:47.970 --> 00:16:53.169 we not want our counselors feeling that unless we offer resources, we're not justified 235 00:16:53.250 --> 00:16:57.570 in standing there, we want to be sure the MOMS and dad's know that 236 00:16:57.730 --> 00:17:04.079 as well. Yeah, so another one that I hear a lot is the 237 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:11.640 baby will die in excruciating death. And again that is just probably not true. 238 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.309 Yeah, it's probably not always true, not always, although scientifically there's 239 00:17:15.349 --> 00:17:21.150 been some studies that have been done on how a baby feels pain and things 240 00:17:21.230 --> 00:17:23.390 like that, so further along in pregnancy, right, and we're not going 241 00:17:23.430 --> 00:17:27.230 to drill into all of that. Yeah, you guys Google it, search 242 00:17:27.309 --> 00:17:33.019 it. When does a baby feel pain? There's conflicting evidence site. But 243 00:17:33.420 --> 00:17:37.940 to say that baby is going to going to suffer excruciating pain is not necessarily 244 00:17:37.980 --> 00:17:41.940 the truth. Embellishing on something. It could be true, it could not 245 00:17:41.059 --> 00:17:45.369 be true. And eat you even have. I won't get into the depths 246 00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:49.450 of this, but you have any like in certain states fetal pain laws, 247 00:17:49.609 --> 00:17:53.930 where they pass laws to restrict abortion because at such and such things, twenty 248 00:17:53.970 --> 00:17:56.690 weeks or whatever. Twenty weeks is where they agree it. Probably, they 249 00:17:56.769 --> 00:18:02.799 probably do feel pain earlier. Yeah, they probably don't at the in that 250 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.599 first at least early in the first trimester. Almost certainly they don't. Yes, 251 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.160 and just to bring it back to to the to the real truth here, 252 00:18:11.950 --> 00:18:15.990 whether they feel pain or not, is it relevant? Right, you 253 00:18:17.109 --> 00:18:21.069 don't kill people. I mean, let's say there's a human being this boord 254 00:18:21.109 --> 00:18:22.710 and maybe this has happened. Maybe it's a disorder, I'm not sure, 255 00:18:23.470 --> 00:18:27.140 but let's just in a pretense scenario, imagine there's a baby that's born that 256 00:18:27.259 --> 00:18:32.660 doesn't have the the nerogic neurological functions in their brain to be able to feel 257 00:18:32.660 --> 00:18:36.660 pain. Yeah, can we therefore dismember them because they can't feel pain? 258 00:18:37.099 --> 00:18:40.619 Of course lessly not right. Because someone can't feel pain, you know, 259 00:18:40.779 --> 00:18:44.529 people in a coma can't feel pain. We don't go and hack them up 260 00:18:44.529 --> 00:18:47.809 with a machete. Right. We don't find it at as a society justifiable. 261 00:18:48.410 --> 00:18:52.289 And so if we as pro lifers, push this idea and understand why 262 00:18:52.289 --> 00:18:55.289 people do it, I'm not trying to dig into all of that politics and 263 00:18:55.329 --> 00:18:57.640 all that stuff. But if we want to put value on human beings based 264 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.400 on the fact that they can feel pain, then we're talk about counterproductive and 265 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.119 counterintuitive. That's counterproductive, encounterintuitive. Yes, I keep keep coming back to 266 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:12.910 the truth. More important, really way more important, than whether they feel 267 00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:17.829 pain or not, is that they are going to be literally ripped apart, 268 00:19:17.950 --> 00:19:23.299 limb by limb, and in an older baby in the womb. And that 269 00:19:25.059 --> 00:19:29.660 is a human being. Yeah, a living human being that that is happening 270 00:19:29.859 --> 00:19:34.099 to whether they feel pain or not. That is just a travesty. Yes, 271 00:19:34.220 --> 00:19:37.740 yes, send so in this particular point, we're not saying that that 272 00:19:37.900 --> 00:19:41.250 can't be true. Do your study, to your yeah, research on this. 273 00:19:41.930 --> 00:19:45.089 I will say if they're twenty weeks or past, that baby is going 274 00:19:45.130 --> 00:19:48.130 to feel pain, and I think we sawowly know that. Yeah, before 275 00:19:48.250 --> 00:19:52.519 that. Again, that's irrelevant to me. YEA reality. Yeah, what's 276 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.119 relevant to me is that's an image bearer of God that's going to be brutally 277 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.039 murdered. Yeah, that's a reality. I'm not embellishing on the truth. 278 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.319 That's what's going to happen. Yeah, and whether they feel pain, or 279 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.630 not yet. Now I will say when I have someone who's with me, 280 00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:11.509 I'm counseling, and maybe she's got a sixteen or seventeen week old, I 281 00:20:11.630 --> 00:20:15.069 will say, you know, there is there is a good chance that that 282 00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:21.150 child is going to feel pain, and then I'll describe the neurology that when 283 00:20:21.190 --> 00:20:26.220 the CORTEX is and fully developed, that the pain receptors are not inhibited and 284 00:20:26.579 --> 00:20:30.420 the pain is more excruciating than what we would experience. And can you imagine 285 00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:37.609 the pain of being unnesthesized and having your arm ripped off? Yeah, and 286 00:20:37.049 --> 00:20:41.690 that is another point that I think we talked about earlier. I don't think 287 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:44.450 we've mentioned it in the podcast. Is We're not doing any of this to 288 00:20:44.609 --> 00:20:49.119 emotionally manipulate, or if we are, be careful because we don't wear our 289 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:53.839 attempt is not, or shouldn't be, to manipulate, but it is okay 290 00:20:55.720 --> 00:21:00.240 to call upon an emotional response that a normal human being should have. Yeah, 291 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:06.710 it is a normal human response to hearing the fact that a living human 292 00:21:06.789 --> 00:21:10.069 being is going to be ripped apart limb by limb. It's a normal human 293 00:21:10.150 --> 00:21:14.309 response to feel horror, and that is what happens in a surgical abortion. 294 00:21:14.470 --> 00:21:18.190 Yes, so it is. It is. That is completely true, and 295 00:21:18.579 --> 00:21:22.299 it is okay to say things that are completely true. Yeah, and if 296 00:21:22.339 --> 00:21:27.900 their emotions are, you know, inflamed by that statement, well, they 297 00:21:27.940 --> 00:21:32.779 should be. Yeah, and it's not because I want to manipulate it's because 298 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:36.730 I want you to have a normal response to what you are about to do. 299 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:41.730 Right. Yeah, often times the way to a person's mind and to 300 00:21:41.809 --> 00:21:45.329 their cognitive reason is through their emotions. Right. So, it's not wrong 301 00:21:45.450 --> 00:21:49.000 to play on emotions. It's not wrong to appeal to someone's feelings and a 302 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.279 lay out the facts and here's what's about to happen, here's the truth. 303 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.200 But what is wrong to embellish on the truth for that Sake. Right, 304 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.400 play on their emotions by embellishing on the truth. When to make sure that 305 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.150 the words of our mouth, the meditations of our harder acceptable in the side 306 00:22:03.190 --> 00:22:06.630 of the Lord, what we're saying needs to be true. And again, 307 00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:10.670 like we said, the truth is horrific enough. We don't have to add 308 00:22:10.710 --> 00:22:14.349 to it. And sometimes we shoot our own selves in the foot. Yeah, 309 00:22:14.509 --> 00:22:18.859 for lack of a better terminology, there by trying to embellish on the 310 00:22:18.940 --> 00:22:26.140 truth. Yeah, I am an author and use exaggeration as a literary tool. 311 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.890 Yeah, a lot, and to make my story more exciting. So 312 00:22:32.930 --> 00:22:40.009 the thought that exaggeration is not a good idea in this setting, as someone 313 00:22:40.089 --> 00:22:45.279 out on the sidewalk, was at first a little bit hard for me because 314 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:51.359 it's very natural for me. Yea, I use words that exaggerate or embellish 315 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.480 and I've had to really scale that back. I've had to really be conscious 316 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.069 of that and I think that's what we're saying in this podcast. Be careful, 317 00:23:00.190 --> 00:23:06.829 be careful about exaggeration. Yeah, because it it is sometimes perceived as 318 00:23:06.950 --> 00:23:14.859 will full false statements and and we would never want to speak falsely. Yeah, 319 00:23:15.099 --> 00:23:18.940 absolutely. Yeah. So just to kind of wrap this thing up on 320 00:23:18.019 --> 00:23:22.059 if you want them to make another point, these loans. One of them. 321 00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:26.539 Another just last one is that, because I hear it so frequently, 322 00:23:26.900 --> 00:23:30.730 is people say women will immediately regret their abortion. Yeah, and again, 323 00:23:30.890 --> 00:23:36.930 that is not true. Statistically. That is not true. That I know. 324 00:23:37.130 --> 00:23:41.210 In my own experience it was not true. What I experienced was relief. 325 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:47.480 Overwhelmingly, what women experience immediately following an abortion, at least in the 326 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:52.799 studies that have been done, is relief. The the regret tends to come 327 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:57.029 later. Yeah, when they are there's a really they get over the shock, 328 00:23:57.190 --> 00:24:02.150 they get over the immediate situation that caused them to be there in the 329 00:24:02.190 --> 00:24:06.109 first place and then regret can set in. Yeah, but I like what 330 00:24:06.230 --> 00:24:10.220 you said. Maybe we could close with that where where you talked about where 331 00:24:11.019 --> 00:24:14.500 there will be regret one day. Yeah, yeah, when I talk about 332 00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:18.180 regret, and I do use that yes, I'm talking to women and not 333 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:22.579 the first thing I'm going to come out and say talking to the men. 334 00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:23.930 I'm not going to come out and just say, Hey, you're going to 335 00:24:25.009 --> 00:24:27.130 regret this and then be the first thing. I'm going to talk along the 336 00:24:27.210 --> 00:24:30.930 lines of our three talking points. Yeah, they're accountable to God. When 337 00:24:30.930 --> 00:24:33.930 I get into the more in depth in the conversation, I will talk about 338 00:24:33.930 --> 00:24:37.410 the regret that's going to come and even if I'm on the microphone or whatever, 339 00:24:37.410 --> 00:24:42.680 I'm speaking in that context, I'll talk about the regret and I will 340 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.200 say something to the effective as you will regret this decision. It might take 341 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:51.160 a year from now, it might take a month from now, it might 342 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:53.549 take ten years from now, might take twenty years, it might take until 343 00:24:53.589 --> 00:24:56.990 you breathe your last breath and you stand before God, but you will regret 344 00:24:57.109 --> 00:25:02.390 this decision and I don't want you to live with regret and God doesn't want 345 00:25:02.390 --> 00:25:04.910 you to have eternal regret. So don't go in there and take the life 346 00:25:04.910 --> 00:25:08.140 of your child. That's kind of when I'm talking about regret, because it 347 00:25:08.180 --> 00:25:11.180 is true, and I've had many conversations, one of the things that the 348 00:25:11.259 --> 00:25:15.779 pro aboards kind of throw it us. Women don't regret their abortions. That's 349 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.140 an absurd statement. We, you and I both know, and we've seen 350 00:25:19.180 --> 00:25:23.210 it on a regular basis. Women that do immediately regret their abortion. Right. 351 00:25:23.369 --> 00:25:27.730 There are women that we watch walk out of the abortion center, that 352 00:25:27.890 --> 00:25:32.730 have stopped in the driveway on the way out after having the abortion, that 353 00:25:32.849 --> 00:25:37.279 immediately regret that decision. Women that take advantage of the abortion pill reversal, 354 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:40.640 right, those are women that regretted the decision to take that abortion pill. 355 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.119 So there are many women that do regret. Yeah, but the idea that 356 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.549 every woman regrets an abortion immediately is not true. It's not true. Now, 357 00:25:49.589 --> 00:25:52.509 are there women that do? Yes, do many. I'm we can 358 00:25:52.549 --> 00:25:55.829 get it all the numbers. I haven't read all the studies that you have, 359 00:25:56.630 --> 00:25:59.269 but also in talking to the pro boards, when they talk about women 360 00:25:59.309 --> 00:26:03.390 are women and buy in large field relief when they have an abortion. We 361 00:26:03.430 --> 00:26:06.539 get that may be true. That may be true. That doesn't make abortion 362 00:26:06.579 --> 00:26:11.420 okay, right, but also we imagine that there's a scenario in which regret 363 00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:14.259 and relief can exist in the same heart, in the same mind. They 364 00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:18.890 certainly can. You've all made decisions that we regret and were relieved by those 365 00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:22.769 decisions. Often times when we sin, that sin brings some kind of relief. 366 00:26:22.809 --> 00:26:26.730 I mean, think about sex outside of marriage. There's a certain amount 367 00:26:26.730 --> 00:26:30.250 of relief that comes with that decision, right, but then there's also regret 368 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:34.279 often time. So there's two things can exist in the same heart. My 369 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.400 point with that is, like we want to make sure we're not embellishing every 370 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.720 woman regrets an abortion soon as they have it. Not True. Many women 371 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:48.069 do, many women don't. Reality is everyone will when they stand before the 372 00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:52.069 Lord. Then we're bringing an eternal perspective. So we're not embellishing on the 373 00:26:52.109 --> 00:26:55.309 truth, but we're actually building on the truth, the truth that there is 374 00:26:55.430 --> 00:27:00.029 regret, and bringing an eternal perspective to that that truth. Right. Yeah, 375 00:27:00.349 --> 00:27:04.539 yeah, that's great. So we hope that this, this episode, 376 00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:07.660 was a blessing and encouragement. Do you a challenge to you guys? Maybe 377 00:27:07.700 --> 00:27:11.099 there's some other things and certainly I'm sure there's many other subjects that we can 378 00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:15.170 get into and I think we'll probably learn from our own selves or all mistakes 379 00:27:15.690 --> 00:27:19.730 where we embellish on the truth and we have to be corrected. And so 380 00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:22.809 if we have more of those things, maybe we'll bring some of those things 381 00:27:22.849 --> 00:27:26.569 to you guys. Maybe you guys have some things, maybe you have of 382 00:27:26.009 --> 00:27:30.240 some push back on some of these things. Maybe you say these things on 383 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.359 a regular basis and you think way, these things are perfectly okay. I'm 384 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:36.920 not embellishing the truth. We'd love to hear from you. I'm willing to 385 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.640 be corrected on these things. More than anything, and I know Vicky is 386 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:44.160 as well. More than anything, what our desire is as we want to 387 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.910 honor God right and we trust those are listening your desire. You want to 388 00:27:47.950 --> 00:27:51.269 honor Jesus, and so if there's anything you feel like you could add to 389 00:27:51.269 --> 00:27:53.670 this conversation, we'd love to hear from you. If there's future episodes from 390 00:27:53.710 --> 00:27:56.349 other subjects or whatever you'd like for us to cover. We'd love to hear 391 00:27:56.390 --> 00:28:00.059 from you. Can reach out to me. Daniel a love life dot work. 392 00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.619 You reach her, Vicky had loved life dot Org. We hope that 393 00:28:03.700 --> 00:28:06.619 this was a blessing to you and until next time, God bless God, 394 00:28:06.660 --> 00:28:18.329 bless you all. Give our love for love. Give me our love for 395 00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:30.680 gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, 396 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.359 and some that you