May The Words Of Our Mouths Be Completely True

WEBVTT100:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.160In that context. I'll talk aboutthe regret and I will say something to200:00:04.240 --> 00:00:08.429the effective is. You will regretthis decision. It might take a year300:00:08.470 --> 00:00:11.550from now, it might take amonth from now, it might take ten400:00:11.589 --> 00:00:14.910years from now, might take twentyyears, it might take until you breathe500:00:14.910 --> 00:00:18.629your last breath and you stand beforeGod, but you will regret this decision.600:00:19.429 --> 00:00:24.660I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me,700:00:25.019 --> 00:00:30.260Lord, I am yours, Iam yours. I'm welcome to the800:00:30.300 --> 00:00:36.210Gospel Center pro life podcast, apodcast design to equip, encourage and challenge900:00:36.250 --> 00:00:40.250you in pro life ministry and alwayswere the focus on the Gospel. Stay1000:00:40.329 --> 00:00:51.439tuned. I felt show passish,touch your heart. Use Me, Lord.1100:00:54.520 --> 00:00:58.359Welcome back to the Gospel centered prolife podcast. Appreciate you guys joining1200:00:58.399 --> 00:01:03.200us as always and we would appreciateif you guys would share this podcast episode1300:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.069share the podcast in general with peoplethat you think would be blessed by it.1400:01:07.709 --> 00:01:12.069Are Focus in this podcast is bringinga gospel centered pro life message to1500:01:12.310 --> 00:01:17.829abortion centers. That's been the mainfocus. There's episodes that we do we1600:01:17.870 --> 00:01:21.700kind of speak of other things fromother perspectives than just the sidewalk ministry,1700:01:21.739 --> 00:01:25.859but we've sort of gravitated toward thesidewalk ministry and really trying to equip and1800:01:25.900 --> 00:01:30.299encourage people because this is such adifficult ministry. Yes, and we've learned1900:01:30.340 --> 00:01:33.969a lot over the years and doingthis ministry and there's not a lot out2000:01:34.049 --> 00:01:38.689there that talks on a regular basisabout the sidewalk ministry. Is Such your2100:01:38.730 --> 00:01:42.329unique scenario and we feel like wehave a unique perspective in this scenario.2200:01:42.849 --> 00:01:47.879And so, anyway, we hopethat if you know people that are involved2300:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.840in sidewalk ministry, they'll be blessedby this podcast episode. Will Give you,2400:01:51.959 --> 00:01:53.519guys, our email addresses at theend. If you have questions,2500:01:53.560 --> 00:01:59.959maybe by this episode or other episodes, maybe you've got suggestions for future episodes,2600:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.909things that we can cover or maybepeople we can interview or something like2700:02:02.950 --> 00:02:07.590that. would be more than willingto consider that. So what's our subject2800:02:07.629 --> 00:02:10.509for today, Vicky? Well,that we want to be above reproach.2900:02:10.550 --> 00:02:16.180Yeah, when we're out there weare ambassadors of the Lord and we need3000:02:16.259 --> 00:02:22.259to be very careful that what wesay is completely true. Yeah, not3100:02:22.419 --> 00:02:27.419just true, completely true. Ithink every one of us, as we3200:02:27.620 --> 00:02:32.370go through this podcast I think wewill all recognize that. You know,3300:02:32.930 --> 00:02:38.050there are times I exaggerate. Yeah, and does that exaggeration do harm?3400:02:38.210 --> 00:02:42.409And I think by the end ofthis podcast I think we would all maybe3500:02:42.530 --> 00:02:46.080come to a conclusion it could.It could do harm right to our overall3600:02:46.120 --> 00:02:52.599message if any portion of it isfound to be false. Yeah, well,3700:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.759let script true. That comes tominds nineteen, verse fourteen. Let3800:02:55.800 --> 00:03:00.830the words of my mouth and themeditation of my heart be acceptable in your3900:03:00.909 --> 00:03:05.349side, Oh Lord, my rockand my redeemer. Above and beyond anything4000:03:05.469 --> 00:03:09.349else is we want to honor Jesus. Right, we want our words to4100:03:09.469 --> 00:03:13.699be true, we want them tobe acceptable in the side of the Lord.4200:03:14.300 --> 00:03:19.099Even out of pure motives, wesometimes may embellish the truth. Yeah,4300:03:19.340 --> 00:03:23.460the fact is, though, thehorror of abortion is horrible enough without4400:03:23.500 --> 00:03:29.770us and bellishing on the truth addingto the reality of abortion. Right,4500:03:29.969 --> 00:03:36.129bad enough. They're murdering babies rightright. The wonder of a baby inside4600:03:36.169 --> 00:03:42.879the womb and that miracle of lifeis so awesome. Just speaking from a4700:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.759truth for perspective, without embellishing youradding anything to it. So sometimes,4800:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.680out of maybe good motives of ourheart, we want to do the right4900:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.439thing. We embellish on how badabortion is or we embellish on how awesome,5000:03:54.909 --> 00:04:01.150you know, baby inside the wombis. And and really the danger5100:04:01.430 --> 00:04:06.349is that you tell someone something aboutthe horror of abortion or whatever, inside5200:04:06.349 --> 00:04:09.710of there they're going to do thisor that. Will get in some examples5300:04:09.750 --> 00:04:12.460of that inside of that building.If you go in there, they're going5400:04:12.500 --> 00:04:16.620to whatever. Yeah, I canthink I gave an example before we started5500:04:16.740 --> 00:04:20.100this episode of I've heard people sayon a microphone or out in front of5600:04:20.100 --> 00:04:24.610the abortion center they're going to puta hook inside of your woman rip your5700:04:24.649 --> 00:04:27.329baby out like a meat hook orsomething like. No, that's not true.5800:04:27.649 --> 00:04:30.129Actually right. And when women goin there, because inevitably they're going5900:04:30.129 --> 00:04:33.129to go in there, and thatdoesn't happen, then the person out on6000:04:33.170 --> 00:04:38.800the sidewalk that said that is actuallyeverything they said, even the things that6100:04:38.879 --> 00:04:43.519were true have all been discounted,that's all been disproven. So that's the6200:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.319danger. First we want to honorJesus and secondly, we don't want to6300:04:46.319 --> 00:04:51.120give the enemy any foothold and anywe don't we give them an inch.6400:04:51.279 --> 00:04:57.990Right, right, so that wesay we embellish on some thing and all6500:04:58.029 --> 00:05:00.310the other things we say are true, all those other true things get discounting,6600:05:00.350 --> 00:05:03.189get thrown out. Yeah. So, so one that I just thought6700:05:03.230 --> 00:05:10.100of was I have heard many timespeople say that all the abortionists have terrible6800:05:10.259 --> 00:05:15.180records, have broken the law,have no admitting privileges. Yeah, to6900:05:15.379 --> 00:05:18.860area hospitals. Yeah, many have. I have, you know, gone7000:05:18.860 --> 00:05:23.649over the records of many, butnot all of them do have that,7100:05:23.730 --> 00:05:28.290that kind of a record. Yeah. So when we say all of them7200:05:28.810 --> 00:05:31.730and someone just has to come upwith one that doesn't, we've just been7300:05:31.769 --> 00:05:38.000discredited. Right. So you,you may know your own facility and for7400:05:38.079 --> 00:05:42.160a while. We don't know allthe abortionists that are at the facility where7500:05:42.160 --> 00:05:46.319we serve right now, but theones that we do know, we do7600:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.389know their record and we can speakabout their record. What we do know7700:05:49.509 --> 00:05:54.790what's public knowledge. But if youdon't know for a fact, it's best7800:05:54.990 --> 00:06:00.069not to say it, right becauseyou will be discredited. You told me7900:06:00.149 --> 00:06:04.740a story about someone outside of theabortion center that used to talk about the8000:06:04.860 --> 00:06:09.300dead babies. Oh yeah, andyeah, there was a guy who,8100:06:09.379 --> 00:06:13.180I mean we may have mentioned hima couple times, who was not very8200:06:13.220 --> 00:06:16.259helpful. His now pro life presenceout there right, every helpful. He8300:06:16.300 --> 00:06:20.689would yell all kinds of just weirdthings and just hateful, angry things,8400:06:20.689 --> 00:06:25.810things like if you have an abortion, God hates you and all these things.8500:06:25.850 --> 00:06:30.410Here also yell and hurt him dothis a couple times. There's a8600:06:30.529 --> 00:06:34.839fifty five gallon drum of dead babiesin the back of their and my no,8700:06:35.000 --> 00:06:39.720there's not. Actually, there's not. Understand what he's trying to do.8800:06:39.879 --> 00:06:46.959He's trying to provoke them to tothe graphic reality what they're involved in8900:06:46.120 --> 00:06:49.269and all these other things, paintingthem a horrific image. And it is9000:06:49.389 --> 00:06:53.629horrific, but it's not true,right, it's not true. There's not9100:06:53.670 --> 00:06:56.949a fifty five gallon drum of deadbabies in the back of the abortion signer.9200:06:58.230 --> 00:07:01.740The truth, though, is thatthere are baby body parts stuffed and9300:07:01.899 --> 00:07:06.019biohazard bags like. That's the truth. Yeah, that truth, to me,9400:07:06.220 --> 00:07:10.420is just as graphic as there beinga fifty five gallon drum a dead9500:07:10.459 --> 00:07:15.220babies. Right, they're taking preciousLittle Imag it's bears of God, sucking9600:07:15.259 --> 00:07:18.610them into pieces and putting their preciouslittle bodies in a bow hazard bag and9700:07:18.769 --> 00:07:23.810throwing them out with medical waste.Right. That's a grievous thing. Yeah,9800:07:24.250 --> 00:07:26.850now, understand that. There's afifty five gallon drum. A dead9900:07:26.889 --> 00:07:29.930babies in the back is a lotshorter to say and had more, maybe10000:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.680emotional impact. Yeah, but it'ssimply not true. That's right. And10100:07:34.480 --> 00:07:40.279anyone knows that that's not right.Right. Anyone who's a rational thinking person10200:07:40.879 --> 00:07:45.509would right away say that's that's nottrue. Right. And so, yeah,10300:07:45.509 --> 00:07:47.230I mean I think again, that'smaybe an extreme example, but we10400:07:47.310 --> 00:07:51.310do need to be consistent what we'resaying. Yeah, I heard some of10500:07:51.389 --> 00:07:55.230our counselors, I think of hishard counselors. Maybe they were visiting,10600:07:55.350 --> 00:07:59.860but they calling out the abortionist asa convicted rapist here. Right. First10700:07:59.860 --> 00:08:01.259of all, that abortionist is ina longer hair. Secondly, he is10800:08:01.339 --> 00:08:05.740not a convicted rapist. He wasarrested for rape, but he was not10900:08:05.980 --> 00:08:11.860convicted. Right. And so wordsmatter. That's cat character assassination. And11000:08:11.930 --> 00:08:16.170and now you know, personally Idon't believe he had much of a character11100:08:16.209 --> 00:08:20.529left to assassinate, but sure nonethe less, that was not an accurate11200:08:20.569 --> 00:08:24.209statement. Yeah, and and soit should not be said. Yeah,11300:08:24.209 --> 00:08:28.040yeah, and of course I've addressedit with people laid out the facts.11400:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.399I will say this guy was arrestedfor rape, right, because that's true.11500:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.679Right, was. There's a pictureof him in his arms jumpsuit,11600:08:35.919 --> 00:08:41.750yes, from his arrest for rape. Right. And I will say that11700:08:41.149 --> 00:08:45.149he pulled into the parking lot sayingrape them and send them here. I11800:08:45.230 --> 00:08:48.870guy that was arrested for rapes goingto pull in a year, I don't11900:08:48.870 --> 00:08:52.350know how many years later, sayingrape them and send them here. What12000:08:52.509 --> 00:08:56.419a just a wicked guy. Right, right, but he's not a convicted12100:08:56.460 --> 00:09:01.059rapist. Yeah, why does thatmatter? Because it's not true. So12200:09:01.259 --> 00:09:03.940it's not true. Be careful whatyou say. But those other things you12300:09:03.139 --> 00:09:07.620said are terrible in and of themselves, and that's truth. Often Times is12400:09:07.700 --> 00:09:11.009worse than the embellishment of truth.It is and that is our basic point,12500:09:11.090 --> 00:09:13.889folks. There are things we cansay that are so powerful that are12600:09:15.090 --> 00:09:18.889true, so be careful that theyare completely true. Here's one of my12700:09:18.009 --> 00:09:24.169pet peeve ones. I've heard itcalled out nationwide. I hear it not12800:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.879just people that are associated with lovelife but, you know, other pro12900:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.519life groups. I hear this frequently. Whatever you need, we will provide13000:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.639it. Now I know the motivation. What they're saying is there are churches,13100:09:35.679 --> 00:09:41.309there are people willing to help youand and the desire is so deep13200:09:41.789 --> 00:09:46.070to help these women and to makesure that they understand that there are people13300:09:46.070 --> 00:09:50.389that will help them. However,whatever you need, we will provide it.13400:09:50.990 --> 00:09:56.100I can't back that up night atthat is not true. It is13500:09:56.940 --> 00:10:03.259it speaks to a desire to helpthese women. And what I could say13600:10:03.299 --> 00:10:09.049that's true is whatever situation we youface, I know that we can link13700:10:09.090 --> 00:10:13.649you with resources that can help.Yeah, that I know is true because13800:10:13.690 --> 00:10:16.129I've been at this a long timeand there's never been a woman whose situation13900:10:16.690 --> 00:10:22.120we haven't been able to help.We don't heal it, we don't completely14000:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.279fix it, but I know thatthere are resources that we can offer that14100:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.960that will help, and so thatI have to change my words to be14200:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.480careful to reflect that. Yeah,yeah, my common statement is whatever your14300:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.909situation is, we can help you. Now, I'm not implying in that,14400:10:39.110 --> 00:10:43.750nor am I trying to put inthere that every circumstance we have some14500:10:43.909 --> 00:10:46.070kind of answer. We can giveyou money for whatever your struggle is.14600:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.179I don't ever imply that, becausethat's again, that's simply not true,14700:10:50.220 --> 00:10:54.059no one can do that. Noone can provide every knee that these women14800:10:54.179 --> 00:10:56.139have, other than God, underthe other than the Lord. Right,14900:10:56.179 --> 00:11:01.980right. But we can in anysituation because, like you, have been15000:11:01.019 --> 00:11:05.090at this a long time and I'veseen situations, very difficult situations, that15100:11:05.210 --> 00:11:11.009we've been able to find resources for. Yeah, finding those resources, connecting15200:11:11.049 --> 00:11:13.649women with those resources is, ina lot of scenarios, the best that15300:11:13.769 --> 00:11:18.210we can do. We can't forcethem to you know, they'll say they're15400:11:18.210 --> 00:11:22.320in an abusive situation with their boyfriendor their husband. If you're in that15500:11:22.399 --> 00:11:24.679situation, we can find housing foryou, we can find a resource,15600:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.960but we can't make you take advantageof that resource and when you move into15700:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.509that new housing, if you takeadvantage of that resource, we can't divide15800:11:33.509 --> 00:11:35.309all of your groceries and things likethat. We can do our best,15900:11:35.350 --> 00:11:39.950we can provide some of that stuff, but no one can provide everything.16000:11:39.029 --> 00:11:45.909Right, and ultimately we want tomake sure in this particular scenario that we16100:11:46.070 --> 00:11:50.620don't appear ourselves to be the provideranyway. Yes, it's really cannot be16200:11:50.779 --> 00:11:54.940the resource. We cannot be whothey look to for all of their help.16300:11:54.980 --> 00:11:58.179Right. That's not healthy. Evenif we could provide everything that they16400:11:58.259 --> 00:12:03.529need, it's not healthy for usto be the single resource of provision for16500:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.490them. Ultimately, they need tolearn to lean on the Lord. Yeah,16600:12:07.529 --> 00:12:09.129so that's why it's important, inmy mind, to connect them with16700:12:09.289 --> 00:12:13.769other organizations of resources that can walkwith them through this stuff, rather than16800:12:13.889 --> 00:12:18.720just kind of having this mentality ofwe can throw money at your problems and16900:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.080and what? We can't do thatin every situation. Right. And number17000:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.320two, money is not always goingto solve it's very rarely going to actually17100:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.320solve the problem anyway. Yeah,and I have a great, true,17200:12:28.519 --> 00:12:33.830completely true story. Yeah, thatillustrates this point that one of the counselors17300:12:33.870 --> 00:12:39.830had called out about housing and thethe man that was their issue and the17400:12:39.110 --> 00:12:46.019the guy said you can provide housingtonight, and they said yes, and17500:12:46.100 --> 00:12:48.620I'm like Oh, brother, yeah, well, the guy left, the17600:12:48.700 --> 00:12:52.779guy and the girl left and theycalled me. They had gone to McDonald's17700:12:52.820 --> 00:12:56.220down the street and they called meand he said tell me about this housing17800:12:56.299 --> 00:13:01.809you can provide tonight, and Iwas not the one that had said that.17900:13:01.649 --> 00:13:07.730I knew nothing about their situation.Could I provide a couple together with18000:13:07.970 --> 00:13:13.679housing in the next few hours.No Way. I I could certainly point18100:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.320him to resources, but could Ipromise that? No, and they ended18200:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.039up coming back in a boarding.He hung up on me when I tried18300:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.600to express what I just expressed,what the truth was that I could do.18400:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.230I would start calling housing. Idid have a list. I I'd18500:13:28.269 --> 00:13:31.669be happy to email him that list, and he hung up on me and18600:13:31.710 --> 00:13:35.070they came back and aboard it.Yeah, so that's the danger. If18700:13:35.070 --> 00:13:41.620you're caught in a lie, youlose credibility in everything that you legitimately can18800:13:41.059 --> 00:13:43.779offer. And I know that counselwas not lying right. She was.18900:13:45.100 --> 00:13:50.139She was just caught up in thedesire to help that couple and and save19000:13:50.259 --> 00:13:54.100that child's life, and I getthat. I feel the same day.19100:13:54.259 --> 00:13:58.450But we really have to be careful. Yeah, and again we're not the19200:13:58.850 --> 00:14:01.450we're not the resource for these people. We're not trying to point them to19300:14:01.490 --> 00:14:05.529ourselves. We're trying to point themto the Lord and we don't have to19400:14:05.610 --> 00:14:09.730feel like we need to answer alltheir questions and meet all their needs in19500:14:09.850 --> 00:14:13.320order for we've said it, wedid a whole podcast about this, that19600:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.360even if we couldn't meet any oftheir needs, even if we had zero19700:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.919resources, zero connection with any ministryorganization, zero connection with any church,19800:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.230all we had was our voices outthere saying don't give your baby, we19900:14:26.309 --> 00:14:31.190would still be justified in standing outthere saying don't take the life of your20000:14:31.230 --> 00:14:35.789baby. I think that is oneof the most important things I have heard20100:14:35.830 --> 00:14:39.860you say. I've heard you sayit at training and and I think it20200:14:39.059 --> 00:14:43.779is so important that we all keepthat in our heart. Yeah, well,20300:14:43.860 --> 00:14:50.700it is great to offer resources andit will often help kind of get20400:14:50.899 --> 00:14:54.169make the people want to come talkwith us because we've offered them something.20500:14:54.049 --> 00:15:00.529But we are there. We arecompletely justified in being there because what they're20600:15:00.529 --> 00:15:05.409about to do is take a completelyinnocent little Babi's life and and that that20700:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.519should not happen. Yeah, weshould be a line to speak. If20800:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.960we turn the scenrea around a littlebit and let's say they are killing three20900:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.799year olds instide of that building andwe're standing there and we're saying don't kill21000:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.590your three year old, don't takeyour baby in there, your three year21100:15:22.629 --> 00:15:26.070old child, you're toddler in thereto be killed. Were watching women walk,21200:15:26.110 --> 00:15:28.389they're toddler in there and someone walksup and says, are you all21300:15:28.429 --> 00:15:31.110for? Are you going to adopttheir three year old? Are you going21400:15:31.149 --> 00:15:33.909to take care of them for therest of the life? Yeah, would21500:15:33.909 --> 00:15:37.059we then say, well, okay, yeah, you're right, so go21600:15:37.100 --> 00:15:39.220ahead going there and maybe what canI say now? Right, right,21700:15:39.460 --> 00:15:43.580resources is one of our three talkingpoints. Right, yeah, but it's21800:15:43.580 --> 00:15:46.659not the most important. The mostimportant is the Lord. I mean this21900:15:46.779 --> 00:15:52.049bowls down to this is a violationof God's word. Killing innocent people is22000:15:52.090 --> 00:15:54.649a violation of God's word. Thesebabies are made in the image of God22100:15:56.690 --> 00:15:58.929and whether we have resources, tome, there needs or not. Thank22200:15:58.009 --> 00:16:03.210God we do, but we stillare justified in again, we can't meet22300:16:03.250 --> 00:16:04.320all their needs. To to saythat we can meet all of their needs22400:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.320is just not true. Not Truthwith the truth. But what you just22500:16:08.440 --> 00:16:14.679said is so important and so valuableand that's so resonated with me that I22600:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.789actually will say that over the microphoneto the mothers. I often say that22700:16:19.070 --> 00:16:23.710after I go through the resources thatwe can offer, that we know we22800:16:23.950 --> 00:16:27.309have, and then I then Isay exactly that. But if we had22900:16:27.549 --> 00:16:32.669none of that, if we couldoffer you none of that, we are23000:16:32.860 --> 00:16:37.299still justified in standing here telling youthat your baby is precious and that God23100:16:37.340 --> 00:16:41.220would not have you take that innocentlife. Yeah, and please don't do23200:16:41.299 --> 00:16:44.379that, please don't kill your baby, and I think that is fine.23300:16:44.419 --> 00:16:47.769I think it is fine to remindthem of that, because not only do23400:16:47.970 --> 00:16:53.169we not want our counselors feeling thatunless we offer resources, we're not justified23500:16:53.250 --> 00:16:57.570in standing there, we want tobe sure the MOMS and dad's know that23600:16:57.730 --> 00:17:04.079as well. Yeah, so anotherone that I hear a lot is the23700:17:04.400 --> 00:17:11.640baby will die in excruciating death.And again that is just probably not true.23800:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.309Yeah, it's probably not always true, not always, although scientifically there's23900:17:15.349 --> 00:17:21.150been some studies that have been doneon how a baby feels pain and things24000:17:21.230 --> 00:17:23.390like that, so further along inpregnancy, right, and we're not going24100:17:23.430 --> 00:17:27.230to drill into all of that.Yeah, you guys Google it, search24200:17:27.309 --> 00:17:33.019it. When does a baby feelpain? There's conflicting evidence site. But24300:17:33.420 --> 00:17:37.940to say that baby is going togoing to suffer excruciating pain is not necessarily24400:17:37.980 --> 00:17:41.940the truth. Embellishing on something.It could be true, it could not24500:17:41.059 --> 00:17:45.369be true. And eat you evenhave. I won't get into the depths24600:17:45.450 --> 00:17:49.450of this, but you have anylike in certain states fetal pain laws,24700:17:49.609 --> 00:17:53.930where they pass laws to restrict abortionbecause at such and such things, twenty24800:17:53.970 --> 00:17:56.690weeks or whatever. Twenty weeks iswhere they agree it. Probably, they24900:17:56.769 --> 00:18:02.799probably do feel pain earlier. Yeah, they probably don't at the in that25000:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.599first at least early in the firsttrimester. Almost certainly they don't. Yes,25100:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.160and just to bring it back toto the to the real truth here,25200:18:11.950 --> 00:18:15.990whether they feel pain or not,is it relevant? Right, you25300:18:17.109 --> 00:18:21.069don't kill people. I mean,let's say there's a human being this boord25400:18:21.109 --> 00:18:22.710and maybe this has happened. Maybeit's a disorder, I'm not sure,25500:18:23.470 --> 00:18:27.140but let's just in a pretense scenario, imagine there's a baby that's born that25600:18:27.259 --> 00:18:32.660doesn't have the the nerogic neurological functionsin their brain to be able to feel25700:18:32.660 --> 00:18:36.660pain. Yeah, can we thereforedismember them because they can't feel pain?25800:18:37.099 --> 00:18:40.619Of course lessly not right. Becausesomeone can't feel pain, you know,25900:18:40.779 --> 00:18:44.529people in a coma can't feel pain. We don't go and hack them up26000:18:44.529 --> 00:18:47.809with a machete. Right. Wedon't find it at as a society justifiable.26100:18:48.410 --> 00:18:52.289And so if we as pro lifers, push this idea and understand why26200:18:52.289 --> 00:18:55.289people do it, I'm not tryingto dig into all of that politics and26300:18:55.329 --> 00:18:57.640all that stuff. But if wewant to put value on human beings based26400:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.400on the fact that they can feelpain, then we're talk about counterproductive and26500:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.119counterintuitive. That's counterproductive, encounterintuitive.Yes, I keep keep coming back to26600:19:08.240 --> 00:19:12.910the truth. More important, reallyway more important, than whether they feel26700:19:12.950 --> 00:19:17.829pain or not, is that theyare going to be literally ripped apart,26800:19:17.950 --> 00:19:23.299limb by limb, and in anolder baby in the womb. And that26900:19:25.059 --> 00:19:29.660is a human being. Yeah,a living human being that that is happening27000:19:29.859 --> 00:19:34.099to whether they feel pain or not. That is just a travesty. Yes,27100:19:34.220 --> 00:19:37.740yes, send so in this particularpoint, we're not saying that that27200:19:37.900 --> 00:19:41.250can't be true. Do your study, to your yeah, research on this.27300:19:41.930 --> 00:19:45.089I will say if they're twenty weeksor past, that baby is going27400:19:45.130 --> 00:19:48.130to feel pain, and I thinkwe sawowly know that. Yeah, before27500:19:48.250 --> 00:19:52.519that. Again, that's irrelevant tome. YEA reality. Yeah, what's27600:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.119relevant to me is that's an imagebearer of God that's going to be brutally27700:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.039murdered. Yeah, that's a reality. I'm not embellishing on the truth.27800:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.319That's what's going to happen. Yeah, and whether they feel pain, or27900:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.630not yet. Now I will saywhen I have someone who's with me,28000:20:07.710 --> 00:20:11.509I'm counseling, and maybe she's gota sixteen or seventeen week old, I28100:20:11.630 --> 00:20:15.069will say, you know, thereis there is a good chance that that28200:20:15.150 --> 00:20:21.150child is going to feel pain,and then I'll describe the neurology that when28300:20:21.190 --> 00:20:26.220the CORTEX is and fully developed,that the pain receptors are not inhibited and28400:20:26.579 --> 00:20:30.420the pain is more excruciating than whatwe would experience. And can you imagine28500:20:32.099 --> 00:20:37.609the pain of being unnesthesized and havingyour arm ripped off? Yeah, and28600:20:37.049 --> 00:20:41.690that is another point that I thinkwe talked about earlier. I don't think28700:20:41.690 --> 00:20:44.450we've mentioned it in the podcast.Is We're not doing any of this to28800:20:44.609 --> 00:20:49.119emotionally manipulate, or if we are, be careful because we don't wear our28900:20:49.119 --> 00:20:53.839attempt is not, or shouldn't be, to manipulate, but it is okay29000:20:55.720 --> 00:21:00.240to call upon an emotional response thata normal human being should have. Yeah,29100:21:00.559 --> 00:21:06.710it is a normal human response tohearing the fact that a living human29200:21:06.789 --> 00:21:10.069being is going to be ripped apartlimb by limb. It's a normal human29300:21:10.150 --> 00:21:14.309response to feel horror, and thatis what happens in a surgical abortion.29400:21:14.470 --> 00:21:18.190Yes, so it is. Itis. That is completely true, and29500:21:18.579 --> 00:21:22.299it is okay to say things thatare completely true. Yeah, and if29600:21:22.339 --> 00:21:27.900their emotions are, you know,inflamed by that statement, well, they29700:21:27.940 --> 00:21:32.779should be. Yeah, and it'snot because I want to manipulate it's because29800:21:32.819 --> 00:21:36.730I want you to have a normalresponse to what you are about to do.29900:21:37.250 --> 00:21:41.730Right. Yeah, often times theway to a person's mind and to30000:21:41.809 --> 00:21:45.329their cognitive reason is through their emotions. Right. So, it's not wrong30100:21:45.450 --> 00:21:49.000to play on emotions. It's notwrong to appeal to someone's feelings and a30200:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.279lay out the facts and here's what'sabout to happen, here's the truth.30300:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.200But what is wrong to embellish onthe truth for that Sake. Right,30400:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.400play on their emotions by embellishing onthe truth. When to make sure that30500:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.150the words of our mouth, themeditations of our harder acceptable in the side30600:22:03.190 --> 00:22:06.630of the Lord, what we're sayingneeds to be true. And again,30700:22:06.710 --> 00:22:10.670like we said, the truth ishorrific enough. We don't have to add30800:22:10.710 --> 00:22:14.349to it. And sometimes we shootour own selves in the foot. Yeah,30900:22:14.509 --> 00:22:18.859for lack of a better terminology,there by trying to embellish on the31000:22:18.940 --> 00:22:26.140truth. Yeah, I am anauthor and use exaggeration as a literary tool.31100:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.890Yeah, a lot, and tomake my story more exciting. So31200:22:32.930 --> 00:22:40.009the thought that exaggeration is not agood idea in this setting, as someone31300:22:40.089 --> 00:22:45.279out on the sidewalk, was atfirst a little bit hard for me because31400:22:45.319 --> 00:22:51.359it's very natural for me. Yea, I use words that exaggerate or embellish31500:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.480and I've had to really scale thatback. I've had to really be conscious31600:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.069of that and I think that's whatwe're saying in this podcast. Be careful,31700:23:00.190 --> 00:23:06.829be careful about exaggeration. Yeah,because it it is sometimes perceived as31800:23:06.950 --> 00:23:14.859will full false statements and and wewould never want to speak falsely. Yeah,31900:23:15.099 --> 00:23:18.940absolutely. Yeah. So just tokind of wrap this thing up on32000:23:18.019 --> 00:23:22.059if you want them to make anotherpoint, these loans. One of them.32100:23:22.099 --> 00:23:26.539Another just last one is that,because I hear it so frequently,32200:23:26.900 --> 00:23:30.730is people say women will immediately regrettheir abortion. Yeah, and again,32300:23:30.890 --> 00:23:36.930that is not true. Statistically.That is not true. That I know.32400:23:37.130 --> 00:23:41.210In my own experience it was nottrue. What I experienced was relief.32500:23:41.599 --> 00:23:47.480Overwhelmingly, what women experience immediately followingan abortion, at least in the32600:23:47.559 --> 00:23:52.799studies that have been done, isrelief. The the regret tends to come32700:23:52.839 --> 00:23:57.029later. Yeah, when they arethere's a really they get over the shock,32800:23:57.190 --> 00:24:02.150they get over the immediate situation thatcaused them to be there in the32900:24:02.190 --> 00:24:06.109first place and then regret can setin. Yeah, but I like what33000:24:06.230 --> 00:24:10.220you said. Maybe we could closewith that where where you talked about where33100:24:11.019 --> 00:24:14.500there will be regret one day.Yeah, yeah, when I talk about33200:24:14.500 --> 00:24:18.180regret, and I do use thatyes, I'm talking to women and not33300:24:18.259 --> 00:24:22.579the first thing I'm going to comeout and say talking to the men.33400:24:22.740 --> 00:24:23.930I'm not going to come out andjust say, Hey, you're going to33500:24:25.009 --> 00:24:27.130regret this and then be the firstthing. I'm going to talk along the33600:24:27.210 --> 00:24:30.930lines of our three talking points.Yeah, they're accountable to God. When33700:24:30.930 --> 00:24:33.930I get into the more in depthin the conversation, I will talk about33800:24:33.930 --> 00:24:37.410the regret that's going to come andeven if I'm on the microphone or whatever,33900:24:37.410 --> 00:24:42.680I'm speaking in that context, I'lltalk about the regret and I will34000:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.200say something to the effective as youwill regret this decision. It might take34100:24:48.279 --> 00:24:51.160a year from now, it mighttake a month from now, it might34200:24:51.240 --> 00:24:53.549take ten years from now, mighttake twenty years, it might take until34300:24:53.589 --> 00:24:56.990you breathe your last breath and youstand before God, but you will regret34400:24:57.109 --> 00:25:02.390this decision and I don't want youto live with regret and God doesn't want34500:25:02.390 --> 00:25:04.910you to have eternal regret. Sodon't go in there and take the life34600:25:04.910 --> 00:25:08.140of your child. That's kind ofwhen I'm talking about regret, because it34700:25:08.180 --> 00:25:11.180is true, and I've had manyconversations, one of the things that the34800:25:11.259 --> 00:25:15.779pro aboards kind of throw it us. Women don't regret their abortions. That's34900:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.140an absurd statement. We, youand I both know, and we've seen35000:25:19.180 --> 00:25:23.210it on a regular basis. Womenthat do immediately regret their abortion. Right.35100:25:23.369 --> 00:25:27.730There are women that we watch walkout of the abortion center, that35200:25:27.890 --> 00:25:32.730have stopped in the driveway on theway out after having the abortion, that35300:25:32.849 --> 00:25:37.279immediately regret that decision. Women thattake advantage of the abortion pill reversal,35400:25:37.440 --> 00:25:40.640right, those are women that regrettedthe decision to take that abortion pill.35500:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.119So there are many women that doregret. Yeah, but the idea that35600:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.549every woman regrets an abortion immediately isnot true. It's not true. Now,35700:25:49.589 --> 00:25:52.509are there women that do? Yes, do many. I'm we can35800:25:52.549 --> 00:25:55.829get it all the numbers. Ihaven't read all the studies that you have,35900:25:56.630 --> 00:25:59.269but also in talking to the proboards, when they talk about women36000:25:59.309 --> 00:26:03.390are women and buy in large fieldrelief when they have an abortion. We36100:26:03.430 --> 00:26:06.539get that may be true. Thatmay be true. That doesn't make abortion36200:26:06.579 --> 00:26:11.420okay, right, but also weimagine that there's a scenario in which regret36300:26:11.579 --> 00:26:14.259and relief can exist in the sameheart, in the same mind. They36400:26:14.339 --> 00:26:18.890certainly can. You've all made decisionsthat we regret and were relieved by those36500:26:18.970 --> 00:26:22.769decisions. Often times when we sin, that sin brings some kind of relief.36600:26:22.809 --> 00:26:26.730I mean, think about sex outsideof marriage. There's a certain amount36700:26:26.730 --> 00:26:30.250of relief that comes with that decision, right, but then there's also regret36800:26:30.650 --> 00:26:34.279often time. So there's two thingscan exist in the same heart. My36900:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.400point with that is, like wewant to make sure we're not embellishing every37000:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.720woman regrets an abortion soon as theyhave it. Not True. Many women37100:26:41.799 --> 00:26:48.069do, many women don't. Realityis everyone will when they stand before the37200:26:48.190 --> 00:26:52.069Lord. Then we're bringing an eternalperspective. So we're not embellishing on the37300:26:52.109 --> 00:26:55.309truth, but we're actually building onthe truth, the truth that there is37400:26:55.430 --> 00:27:00.029regret, and bringing an eternal perspectiveto that that truth. Right. Yeah,37500:27:00.349 --> 00:27:04.539yeah, that's great. So wehope that this, this episode,37600:27:04.740 --> 00:27:07.660was a blessing and encouragement. Doyou a challenge to you guys? Maybe37700:27:07.700 --> 00:27:11.099there's some other things and certainly I'msure there's many other subjects that we can37800:27:11.099 --> 00:27:15.170get into and I think we'll probablylearn from our own selves or all mistakes37900:27:15.690 --> 00:27:19.730where we embellish on the truth andwe have to be corrected. And so38000:27:21.130 --> 00:27:22.809if we have more of those things, maybe we'll bring some of those things38100:27:22.849 --> 00:27:26.569to you guys. Maybe you guyshave some things, maybe you have of38200:27:26.009 --> 00:27:30.240some push back on some of thesethings. Maybe you say these things on38300:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.359a regular basis and you think way, these things are perfectly okay. I'm38400:27:33.359 --> 00:27:36.920not embellishing the truth. We'd loveto hear from you. I'm willing to38500:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.640be corrected on these things. Morethan anything, and I know Vicky is38600:27:40.640 --> 00:27:44.160as well. More than anything,what our desire is as we want to38700:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.910honor God right and we trust thoseare listening your desire. You want to38800:27:47.950 --> 00:27:51.269honor Jesus, and so if there'sanything you feel like you could add to38900:27:51.269 --> 00:27:53.670this conversation, we'd love to hearfrom you. If there's future episodes from39000:27:53.710 --> 00:27:56.349other subjects or whatever you'd like forus to cover. We'd love to hear39100:27:56.390 --> 00:28:00.059from you. Can reach out tome. Daniel a love life dot work.39200:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.619You reach her, Vicky had lovedlife dot Org. We hope that39300:28:03.700 --> 00:28:06.619this was a blessing to you anduntil next time, God bless God,39400:28:06.660 --> 00:28:18.329bless you all. Give our lovefor love. Give me our love for39500:28:18.569 --> 00:28:30.680gratitude. I know it will costme my life. Nothing's too precious,39600:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.359and some that you