Logical and Scientific Reasons to Stand for Life

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.720 Yeah, I mean it's it's really you don't have to be a super deep 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:09.160 thinking person to figure that out right. But just the fact that biologists agree 3 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.759 with like reality, I guess, can help people who don't agree with reality 4 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:19.039 come to reality. I Am Yours, I'm yours, I'm yours, and 5 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:25.719 me Lord, I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center 6 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:31.199 Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in 7 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:35.320 pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. 8 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:48.560 I felt your past touch your hearty welcome back to the Gospel Center pro 9 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:52.840 life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us. This is Daniel Parks. 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Just reach out and 28 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.639 shared on social media and every other avenue that you have so that more folks 29 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:14.560 can get equipped and encouraged. So we're gonna jump right into our episode today. 30 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:20.360 We're gonna talk about scientific reasons to not abort or not to abort, 31 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.919 scientific reasons to stand for life. Maybe that's a better way to word it 32 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:28.400 scientific reasons to protect the PREBORN, and so we're gonna dig into some of 33 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.639 that. So this could be applied whenever you're reaching out at the abortion center, 34 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:35.719 maybe to a mom going in, certainly maybe to a friend that has 35 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.080 a mom that's inside there, the boyfriend, family member or whatever, maybe 36 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:44.719 in conversations with some of your friends that might be pro abortion or, quote, 37 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.800 pro choice. So what are some of the scientific reasons that we should 38 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:53.080 stand? Now we know, because this is a gospel centered pro life podcast 39 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.639 and because we know that the foundation of truth is the God of truth himself, 40 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:00.919 that we need to bring God into the equation. Right, if God 41 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:06.080 um, if God's not even the equation, then really, what value does 42 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:08.840 human life have beyond any other animal or creature or whatever? Right, we 43 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:15.840 believe that human beings have an intrinsic value that is other than any other creature, 44 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.919 because human beings are the only creature that are made in the image of 45 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:23.800 God. So that's foundational. That's absolutely the case. But also we have 46 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:30.240 to acknowledge all truth is God's truth, right, all truth is God's truth, 47 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:36.000 and so scientific truths that have been uncovered kind of reveal this truth that 48 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:40.719 the Bible speaks of that every human being is Um is precious and should be 49 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:45.840 protected, and that human life doesn't just begin when a person is born, 50 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:50.159 but human life begins at conception and as a matter of fact, I don't 51 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.159 know if you have it in the article, but about nine. So if 52 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:58.240 you if you ask the question, and I've been doing this with probortion people 53 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.240 lately, asked them the question when does life begin and they say well, 54 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:04.479 no one really knows. And so the next question is, who is most 55 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:08.960 qualified in your estimation to answer that question? Do you have that in the 56 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:14.159 article? I don't. I'm interesting. So. So who is most qualified 57 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.759 in your estimation? Talking to a pro abortion person who loves science and all 58 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:21.319 these other things, claims to love science, at least until science doesn't fit 59 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:26.759 their agenda. So what asked them, who is most qualified in your estimation 60 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.839 to tell us when life begins? Would it be biologists? And they would 61 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.839 say I think so. Biologists should be able to tell us, at least 62 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:40.199 they're the most qualified to tell us when life begins. Did you know that, 63 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.759 according to a secular research paper, and I actually probably should put the 64 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:51.199 link somewhere here, that of biologists agree that life begins at conception. It 65 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:56.560 does, right, yeah, I mean it's it's really you don't have to 66 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:00.920 be a super deep thinking person to figure that out right. But just the 67 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.639 fact that biologists agree with like reality, I guess, can help people who 68 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:10.800 don't agree with reality come to reality. So you're actually going against science to 69 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.959 say that life doesn't begin at conception or no one really knows. Of scientists 70 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:21.879 say that life begins at conception. As a secular, scientifically minded person, 71 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:26.560 wouldn't you just agree that life begins at conception? But of course they push 72 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:29.720 back and they'll say things like well, it may be life, but it's 73 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:31.319 not a person, and then you get into a personhood and all the other 74 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.639 stuff. We may dig into some of that, but that's just, on 75 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:38.120 its face, kind of the flow of the conversation that I have with pro 76 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:42.199 abortion people. WHO's most qualified, in your estimation, tells when life begins? 77 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:47.120 Well, I think it's biologists. Okay, biologists say that life begins 78 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:53.959 at conception. What do they say? I mean, they're probably like biologists 79 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:58.560 that deal with metaphysics and who knows what else. They're probably like wicked biologists 80 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.240 or who knows what they are. I can't imagine that there's seven percent that 81 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:05.920 wouldn't agree with the fact that life begins at the moment that spurn spurn meets 82 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:13.079 egg. But all of the medical journals I have ever read say that they 83 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:19.519 uniformly believe human life begins at conception. So Um, yeah, and and 84 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:25.519 the reason that these are all important things. I loved how you phrased it, 85 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:30.120 that everything points to God, whether it's directly out of the Bible or 86 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:35.240 whether it's just the proof of all creation. All creation does declare his glory. 87 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:41.000 We should be able to find God in in everything. Um, but 88 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:46.079 so often, especially in more liberal cities that are serving in front of abortion 89 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:50.319 centers, people will tell them I don't believe in God, and I'll listen 90 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:54.199 to you, I'll talk with you, but you can't talk about God. 91 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:58.639 Don't bring God into the equation, and I will always find a way to 92 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:04.720 do so. But I also think it's very important and actually not hard to 93 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:13.079 argue for the sanctity of human life, unborn human life, from a strictly 94 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.360 scientific perspective, and that's what we're trying to do in this article and podcast. 95 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.399 Yeah, I mean the science is on our side. There's no doubt 96 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:25.319 about that, even to the point where you know you have ultrasound technology now 97 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.800 that if you deny that a baby in the womb at six weeks bees, 98 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:30.959 but as early as you can see it with an ultrasound, a regular ultrasound, 99 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:35.199 but at six weeks, if you deny that, that that embryo is 100 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:42.639 alive, you're just denying reality. Yeah, that's you have an agenda and 101 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:47.079 you've you've let go of reality in order to enforce your agenda. And if 102 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:57.959 you attack, as in US attack that premise that life does begin at concept, 103 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.920 does not begin at conception, you attack act that pro choice premise. 104 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:07.600 They can't build on it to where they have ended up saying that it's okay 105 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.399 to kill a baby and on born baby. Really all the way up until 106 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.879 birth. They're going to have to keep shifting their definition of when life begins, 107 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.040 because most will say that yet it's not human, that that's that's where 108 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.959 we differ. They claim it it's not a person, it's not human, 109 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:26.839 and that I don't even know if I go directly into this in the article, 110 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:28.680 so I'll say it right now. It's one of the first things I 111 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.919 always say on the mic Um when I'm calling out, you know, of 112 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.960 our sound system to the women is from the moment of conception, all the 113 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:43.480 human DNA, not the squirreld DNA, Turtle DNA, human DNA, is 114 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:50.559 all present already at the moment of conception, and so that tells us that 115 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:56.440 is the earliest beginning of human life, not just of life but of human 116 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:05.440 life. And until really a abortion, personhood and human humanhood meant the same 117 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:07.519 thing, right. Yeah, yeah, and now they're trying to know to 118 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.080 be a person, all you have to do is be a human. So 119 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:16.320 here's another train of thought that I've kind of walked through and talked through pro 120 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.960 boards out here at Latrobe and other pro boards and other cities and just try 121 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.279 to help them to understand how ridiculous some of what they say is. When 122 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.120 I asked them when does life begin? And they say, well, we 123 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.279 don't know, we don't really know. And so an analogy I'll give. 124 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:35.039 Okay, there's a school down the road from your house and someone's about to 125 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.639 take a wrecking ball and knock that school down, um because they're gonna build 126 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.600 something else there. If they were about to swing the wrecking ball, and 127 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.120 I walk up to the guy who's in control of the wrecking ball and I 128 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.279 say is there? Is there any human lives inside of that building, and 129 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.720 he says I don't know, like we really can't know, then you shouldn't 130 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:00.080 swing the wrecking ball. If you're not sure that there's not a huge in 131 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.840 life, not a child, inside of that building, then you don't need. 132 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:07.039 You don't need to crank up the machine that's going to destroy the place 133 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.399 right in the same way, if you say, well, we don't really 134 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.120 know when life begins, what you're saying is it could be a human life, 135 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.440 it could be a person, but it could not be. So when 136 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.159 in doubt, throw it out. That's the mentality win in down well, 137 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.320 we're not really sure it's let's just go ahead and kill it anyway. And 138 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.840 like that just doesn't fly. Another thing is too this is another question I 139 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.559 ask pro abortion people when they say, well, because some of them have 140 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:35.000 said it's not a person, it might may be alive, because you'd have 141 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.720 to not deny reality and deny science and most of them you can get to 142 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.360 that position to realize that yes, it is a life, but it's not 143 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:46.399 a person. So it's a life and it's a human life. This is 144 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.159 my train of thought. It's a human life because too humans conceived this life, 145 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:56.200 but it's not a person. Okay. Are there any other human lives 146 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:00.559 that are not persons? Is it only the unborn? Are there poll that 147 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.159 are different than you that are also not persons? Because that's essentially what you're 148 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.279 saying. You're saying this is a human life, but because of traits that 149 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.159 it has that I don't, or that it doesn't have that I do, 150 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:15.159 it somehow is not a person. and to to me that sounds really Nazi 151 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.440 esque. It really sounds like you're segmenting out certain groups of people and saying 152 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.200 they're non persons, but you get to maintain your personhood, and that's pretty 153 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.679 convenient for you, isn't so? Again, you're trying to pin them down 154 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.840 with this reality that they are being Um, they're being bigots. Actually they 155 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:35.919 are. They are taking a population of human lives and saying their lives are 156 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.120 not worthy to be protected. Right and in fact, Um. So I'll 157 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.960 say, when do they become a person? To Take Your where you've gone 158 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.960 with it, which was great, and then take it, you know, 159 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.919 to the next step. Well, when did they become at what point in 160 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.720 this process. Do they would you call them a person? They'll sometimes say 161 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.200 when they take their first breath, and then you say, and how about 162 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.799 that second before they again? You just bring it to their to help them 163 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:05.159 to understand their their premises flawed. It's just flat out wrong. Um. 164 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:09.240 So also, I think you brought up a really good point. Another point. 165 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.600 I don't think it's in the article. Maybe it is, but I 166 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:18.879 think it's very important. What other vulnerable people group do we allow ourselves to 167 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:26.360 prey upon? And the greatest atrocities in the history of all humanity is when 168 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.440 we have allowed ourselves to pray on a vulnerable people group, and that's exactly 169 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.840 what's happening in abortion. So anyway, so that those are all kind of 170 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.759 an over overview of some of the places that you can go, one of 171 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.399 the places many people go, and I don't think it should be where they 172 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:48.840 spend all their time, but that abortion does harm women, and there certainly 173 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:56.120 is scientific support that abortion harms women. Of course, planned parenthood and industries 174 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:00.919 that, um, that are supporting it will say novice is not true and 175 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:05.240 that that literature is buried, but it's there. You you can find it. 176 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:11.360 There are there is just no doubt that abortion does harm women. Um, 177 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.399 the studies showing the link to breast cancer. UH, again, they 178 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.080 will deny it, they will say this is not true. I think I've 179 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.399 said many times on this podcast that my own on oncologist, when he looked 180 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:30.440 at my breast cancer, said I had zero risk in any area. I 181 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.200 didn't have the gene, I didn't have the lifestyle. I'm healthy. I 182 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.799 then I always have been. Always exercise, always have eaten the right things, 183 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.720 and yet I got breast cancer. And he said the only contributing factor 184 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.879 that he could find in my history, and they did all kinds of tests, 185 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.000 was the prior abortion, at which point I said, are you saying 186 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.559 that there is a link? And he said definitively. He was the head 187 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.600 of Levine Cancer Institute. I think he still is. So Um. You 188 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:05.279 know, that's pretty significant that someone in the field has admitted there is undoubtedly 189 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.960 a link. At my own personal he doesn't know what he's talking about. 190 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:13.440 The abortion people, they know what they're client. Who makes money off of 191 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.159 doing the abortions? They know what they're talking about. But the head of 192 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.879 the oncology department, he doesn't really know what he's talking really. So there 193 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.440 is this analysis that did look at all of these studies of breast cancer and 194 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.159 it found that there was a fort increased risk of breast cancer among females who 195 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:35.200 had at least one induced abortion, and that risk increased to seventy for those 196 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:41.159 who had had two to three abortions respectively. S Risk goes up the and 197 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.480 I have studied why. I'm not going to go into it right now, 198 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.919 but I do think people should look into it because it also helps explain the 199 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:52.679 difference between the breast cancer risk with abortion versus miscarriage, which does not appear 200 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.919 to have a breast cancer risk associated with as far as I know. I 201 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:01.440 could be wrong about that. So in this article, because we're gonna post 202 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.840 this on sidewalks for life, will you have like footnotes and links to these 203 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.759 studies? They are in there somewhere and if they're not, off finding, 204 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.440 but I'm pretty sure that they are, because I uh yeah, uh yeah, 205 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.480 I do. I put up at the top of it from Um. 206 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.679 This is the bulk of the medical information, is from from compass care, 207 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.440 dot info, slash health information, abortion, and it goes on and on, 208 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:31.000 but I do have that link. And then in that article. Um 209 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:35.559 are all of the links of the research studies which I cite in this article, 210 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.039 so you can look those up for yourselves, which is really, I 211 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:43.120 think, a good thing to do. STDS, public inflammatory disease, that 212 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:52.559 there's been a strong link between abortion and those Um mental health issues, which 213 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:58.600 include suicide. Now we see that. We I don't know that I see 214 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:03.360 suicide. I have. I've seen people threatening suicide as the result of abortion, 215 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.919 but I do see the depression, that despair, the angst and often 216 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:12.320 the suicidal thoughts that that follow abortion. And the literature supports that. Is 217 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:18.399 there more women who have had an abortion and Um commit suicide than those who 218 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:26.759 have not. So Um infertility and future child bearing is another thing that Um 219 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:32.240 that is a linked with increased abortions. You know, it makes sense. 220 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.600 Complications can arise that cause infection, damage to the uterus and other, you 221 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:42.039 know, other reproductive organs, and so it can increase the risk for future 222 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:47.360 child bearing. And some of the saddest stories we hear on the sidewalk are 223 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:51.279 the women who come back and they do that tell us I had an abortion 224 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:55.840 here years and years ago because it wasn't the right time for a family and 225 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:59.480 then I got married, I was ready to start a family and I couldn't. 226 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.759 I couldn't get pregnant. The only baby I ever had was the baby 227 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:08.599 that I killed. So Um, yeah. So uh, there. You 228 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:14.680 can read the article, look up these links, but that is a definitely 229 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:18.599 a tactic you can take in talking to the people. Is Abortion not only 230 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:25.359 clearly destroys the baby, but it destroys the women in so many ways. 231 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:32.400 One of the things that I have recently started saying and thinking about is the 232 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:37.279 only human relationship that everyone shares, it's the only one, is the relationship 233 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.519 between a mother and a child. Now, the you know, because the 234 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:44.960 father could be long out of the picture by the time a baby is born, 235 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:51.039 but every child experiences a relationship with the mother. The mother could die 236 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:56.480 in childbirth or whatever. Sometimes that happened, so that experience was limited to 237 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.400 while the baby was in the womb. But that baby here a heartbeat, 238 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.000 presumably, depending on yeah, yeah, they would have heard a heartbeat. 239 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:08.640 Um, if the baby is born now and their mother has died. So 240 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:18.160 Um, it's the most primary and universal relationship on Earth, human relationship on 241 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.799 earth, and I hadn't really thought much about that before. But think about 242 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:30.680 that and how abortion severs that, severs that most primary universal relationship. How 243 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:37.039 could it not damage both the child, obviously, but the mother as well? 244 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:42.759 Yeah. So, so that's an area you can you can go into. 245 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.319 Um, we touched upon the logic of why we should protect the vulnerable. 246 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.680 Why should we protect a vulnerable people group? Is it such a big 247 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.839 deal? Right? Well, I mean I think kind of like just intrinsically, 248 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:02.559 we know that those that can't protect themselves need our protection. You know, 249 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:07.720 it's like, you know, if you see typically right, if you 250 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.640 see, and this is an analogy to people drowning in a pond, flailing 251 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.079 and can't can't get out because they can't swim, one's a thirty year old 252 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.480 man and one's a six year old child, you're gonna save the six year 253 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.200 old child first, especially if he's bobbing underwater. The man is floating on 254 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.200 his back doing okay, but that child's gonna Drown. Yeah, but either, 255 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.839 if they're even if they're both not doing so well, you're gonna Save 256 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:34.920 the Child first because you recognize that child is a lot more vulnerable. We 257 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:41.039 we flipped that upside down when we um are okay with abortion. Right, 258 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:44.440 these children in the womb are the most vulnerable, right, they can't even 259 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:48.559 speak for themselves. And so again you flip that on on its head and 260 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:55.720 we become a pretty, Um, pretty callous society and I believe the abortion, 261 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.799 the whole abortion agenda, that culture of death, has really taken root 262 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.720 in our society where we have become pretty callous, pretty callous to the suffering 263 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:10.440 and the pain of other people, pretty selfish, and I believe, you 264 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:15.319 know, US not protecting the most vulnerable is the root of that. Yeah, 265 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.319 I mean that is exactly what the abortion movement does in so many areas. 266 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:26.039 But flipping things on its head, flipping what is typically touted as a 267 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:33.799 sign of healthy and strong humanity, which is to protect the vulnerable, and 268 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.119 instead we're going to prey on the vulnerable because we can, because we're stronger 269 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:42.640 and we're able. So, Um, I think that's a powerful argument that 270 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:52.000 that could be mentioned human design. So the one organ in all human beings 271 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:59.559 that is of no use to the person in which that organ resides is the 272 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.920 womb. The womb doesn't do the mother any good. I just said this 273 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.160 today to a woman I was counseling car side said, does the wound do 274 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:11.200 you any good? No, it doesn't contribute in any way to the health 275 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:17.720 of the woman. It is purely there for another human being. There is 276 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:22.480 a reason. There's a reason why we don't disrupt God's design. I will 277 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.039 bring in God. They told me not to talk about God, maybe, 278 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:32.119 but that's a point at where I will talk about this is designed for another 279 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:37.079 person, another human being, another body again, which is kind of dismantling 280 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:42.480 them. My Body, my choice. Yeah, absolutely. So, Um, 281 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:49.160 let's see human rights, just thinking about human rights as certainly as our 282 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:53.799 founding documents say, they're in alienable, and I'll ask people what does that 283 00:21:53.839 --> 00:22:00.160 mean? A lot of people don't know. But our society, I. 284 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:04.400 Don't come from outer space. No, inalienable. So it didn't come from 285 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:10.079 outer space. So it's intrinsic. It's there. It's bestowed upon us, 286 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:14.039 not by government, you know, not by the mother or father. The 287 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:18.240 human right to life is a human right bestowed upon us by God. It 288 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.880 is an intrinsic right because God has created us and given us that right. 289 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:30.559 He's the author of life. Um, and I think it's UH in today's 290 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:36.319 age, I have found that if I start talking about school shootings with with 291 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:38.920 a mom and say why do you think they're happening? Why do you think 292 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:41.920 there's so much of this happen? They'll say people just don't care anymore. 293 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:47.920 People don't care about the value of life. This will be an abortion minded 294 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:52.640 mom saying this to me. What a great springboard for you to take off. 295 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.680 Then on Um and I'll say you're absolutely right, and I think it 296 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:03.640 begins with the unborn. If value the least of us, one day we're 297 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.839 going to be the least of us and we're going to be devalued by someone. 298 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.279 Yeah, it's it's that culture of death and Um. Like I said 299 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:17.519 earlier, it is a cancer in our society. We become callous to the 300 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:22.279 plight of even the most innocent and it really does have an effect on society. 301 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:27.480 So kind of uh, I guess. Wrapping up this episode, Let's 302 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:33.720 talk about the sled methods. We're talking about apologetics, giving an apologetic we 303 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:40.319 talked about scientific apologetics for the value of human life. Why abortion should be 304 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:44.920 illegal, why we should fight against abortion. It hurts women, it destroys 305 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:49.240 innocent lives. Um, but Scott Klusendorff is a guy I don't know him 306 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.960 personally, but I've read and I've watched a lot of his videos, read 307 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.440 a lot of his literature and he really has, I think, a powerful 308 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:04.119 method of helping people understand, Um, what gives us value as human beings. 309 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:08.720 And kind of just a spoiler alert here. What gives us value as 310 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:14.519 human beings is the fact that we're human beings. No trait that I have 311 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.960 or that you have makes me more valuable than you or you more valuable than 312 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:22.640 me. It's not the traits that we possess or that we don't possess, 313 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:26.640 it's the very fact that we're human. And so it's got cluesendorff lays out 314 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:32.440 this sled method to help people understand the value of human life, and sled 315 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:37.240 stands for size, level of development, environment and degree of dependency. So 316 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.279 I don't know if you want to talk through that and kind of how you 317 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.599 use that apologetic to help people see the value of human life. I use 318 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:47.440 this all the time. This um I don't go into great depth, but 319 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:52.279 I will frequently use this method because it's very effective. Like you said, 320 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:56.920 I will start with I'll ask the question what gives us value? Can you 321 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:00.880 tell me what gives you value? I'll ask them, um that oftentimes they 322 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:06.680 don't know. They often times can't answer that. And if they can't answer 323 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.799 it, well, no, wonder then that they're not valuing their baby. 324 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:12.519 They don't value themselves. They don't know why they are of any value. 325 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.759 So I'll start with well, you know, I'm I'm a fairly small woman. 326 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.559 Am I of less value than a larger women? Women? No, 327 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:27.720 the everyone will admit now. No, size doesn't determine value. Um. 328 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:33.960 And then how how about? Um, uh, you know the you're two 329 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.279 year old WHO's smaller than your three year old. Is your two year old 330 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:44.039 of less value? No. Well, how about your unborn baby that's smaller 331 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:48.480 than you're two year old? We've just determined it's not the size that gives 332 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.720 value. So they'll agree with that. The usually okay, that makes sense 333 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:57.519 because you're being logical. Um, how about level of development? So we're 334 00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:03.359 we're all at different levels of development, and something I trot out often when 335 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.440 I'm talking about human development is the human being is not fully developed. The 336 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:12.079 brain is not fully developed until about age thirty. It's in the late twenties, 337 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:18.680 early thirties when the there's the nerves that go to the frontal lobe, 338 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.839 which is the seat of judgment of the brain, which makes a lot of 339 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:29.319 sense why young adults and teenagers and all sometimes don't make the best judgments about 340 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.160 things. Because they're those nerves. Don't have the nerve sheath that surrounds the 341 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:38.440 nerve that helps with the transmission of of Um, the transmission of those nerves, 342 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:44.440 and that's why teenagers do stupid is. There is a neurological reason. 343 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:48.920 They are not those nerves sheaths are not fully milinated. That word is hard 344 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.839 to say, but but so they are not complete. They are not complete. 345 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.720 The development of those nerves is not complete. And it doesn't happen to 346 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.400 the thirties, then I'll say, so, would it be okay, since 347 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.680 they're not fully developed, that we just kill everyone under thirty when they you 348 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.160 know, maybe they've done some really stupid things or whatever, you don't like 349 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.480 them. And of course everyone says no, that's ridiculous. Well, that's 350 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:15.880 the logic that is often used. That baby isn't fully developed. Therefore it's 351 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.039 okay to kill that baby in the womb. And I'll say, do you 352 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:23.000 see why that argument is really not a good argument for killing that child and 353 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.319 they'll agree, usually. Um. Then I'll say, okay, how about 354 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:32.799 where I live? I live in North Carolina, ten miles away is South 355 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:34.519 Carolina, because we're pretty close to the border. Am I right about that? 356 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.880 They were pretty close. Um, am I am. I have more 357 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:45.400 value because I live in North Carolina then the person who lives in South Carolina. 358 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.920 And they'll say no, of course not. Well, why not? 359 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.599 Well, because where you live doesn't determine your value. All right. Well, 360 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.480 how about the baby in the womb? is she of more or less 361 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.359 value than the baby outside of the womb? It's just different environment, whether 362 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.240 you're inside a house or outside. In a house, you're still a human 363 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.799 being and you're still valuable. And the inside or outside. That's right. 364 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.359 And so, yeah, and that's a great thing, saying in or outside 365 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.400 a house, because everyone can relate to that. In the womb is the 366 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.799 baby's house, and and and, but it doesn't change value because the babies 367 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.599 in the house are out of the House. It's still the same baby. 368 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.599 Um. And then the last one that they say is, and we hear 369 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:30.319 this one a lot, babies are Um. An unborn child is fully dependent 370 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.160 upon their mother for life, and that is true. They are, but 371 00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:38.319 so is a newborn, and in fact so is my father in the last 372 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.759 years of his life, dependent upon oxygen and the doctors and the treatments they 373 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:48.640 were giving him Um or anyone on uh, you know, dialysis. There 374 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:55.759 are so many examples medically of people who would die except that they're dependent on 375 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.839 some other person to either provide an intervention in or to provide care or whatever. 376 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.720 And yet does was my dad of less value? No, of course 377 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:11.640 not. Or a person on dialysis while they're on that dialysis machine, when 378 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.759 they would die if you suddenly just shut it down. What does that make 379 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.160 them of less value? Of course not. And the same is true of 380 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.680 the baby in the womb. Uh, the baby is dependent on the mother 381 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.559 and will be for many years, but her value is not determined by that 382 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.519 dependency. And so what it boils down to? Is it size that gives 383 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.839 the human being their value? No. Is it level of development? No, 384 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.799 is it environment? No, is it degree of dependency? And of 385 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:44.359 course these are all the arguments that pro abortion people give. Those things can't 386 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.359 give humans value, because there are humans other than the preborn that have those 387 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:55.079 things different. All of us are in varying ranges of development and dependency and 388 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:59.519 all that stuff. So what is it that gives a human their value? 389 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.440 It's the very fact that they're human. They're human and they're made and God, 390 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:04.960 and that's when I will bring God in. I will, I will 391 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.440 bring in that sentence and let it say. If they won't let me do 392 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:14.640 more, the only thing that makes sense. Why? We're human and we're 393 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.519 made in God's holy image and our value comes from that and you can't. 394 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:25.559 It doesn't change from conception till death. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, 395 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:29.119 guys, hopefully this was helpful. Hopefully this equipped you to be able 396 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.039 to give an apologetic and there's a lot of other resources out there. There 397 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.039 are certainly people that do things as far as apologetics a lot better than us. 398 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.960 You can check out Scott Klusendorf. I believe the organization is Life Institute, 399 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.519 Life Training Institute. Anyway, you can look it up. I'm not 400 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.039 going to try to spell CLUESENDORF for you, though, so you can google 401 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:51.319 it just like it sounds. Yeah, Um Seth Gruber, there's another guy. 402 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.799 He does a great job with apologetics, great speaker. He's done a 403 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.200 lot of stuff with love life. Is certainly a guy that God has used 404 00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:00.759 out on the West Coast, certainly to get some church is mobilized and equip 405 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.240 and train some folks. So check out Seth Groeber his podcast. It's called 406 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:08.519 unaboarded and so really powerful podcast. So definitely check him out and check out 407 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.920 some of his apologetic materials, videos and stuff that he's put out on Um, 408 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:17.000 on Youtube and social media. And so again, hopefully this was equipping 409 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.200 and encouraging to you guys. You can reach out to us. You can 410 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.799 reach me, Daniel, I love life dot Org, and reach her Vicky, 411 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:23.240 with a why I love life dot Org. We love to hear from 412 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:27.920 you, maybe with some suggestions of future podcasts and Um. Yeah, until 413 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:34.880 next time, God, bless God, bless you are. Give me our 414 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:48.440 love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it will 415 00:31:48.599 --> 00:32:02.079 cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. And some you M