Logical and Scientific Reasons to Stand for Life

WEBVTT100:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.720Yeah, I mean it's it's reallyyou don't have to be a super deep200:00:03.839 --> 00:00:09.160thinking person to figure that out right. But just the fact that biologists agree300:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.759with like reality, I guess,can help people who don't agree with reality400:00:12.800 --> 00:00:19.039come to reality. I Am Yours, I'm yours, I'm yours, and500:00:19.320 --> 00:00:25.719me Lord, I'm yours, I'myours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center600:00:25.760 --> 00:00:31.199Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designedto equip, encourage and challenge you in700:00:31.239 --> 00:00:35.320pro life ministry, and always witha focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned.800:00:37.280 --> 00:00:48.560I felt your past touch your heartywelcome back to the Gospel Center pro900:00:48.640 --> 00:00:52.840life podcast. Appreciate you guys joiningus. This is Daniel Parks. 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Just reach out and2800:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.639shared on social media and every otheravenue that you have so that more folks2900:02:07.680 --> 00:02:14.560can get equipped and encouraged. Sowe're gonna jump right into our episode today.3000:02:14.680 --> 00:02:20.360We're gonna talk about scientific reasons tonot abort or not to abort,3100:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.919scientific reasons to stand for life.Maybe that's a better way to word it3200:02:23.960 --> 00:02:28.400scientific reasons to protect the PREBORN,and so we're gonna dig into some of3300:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.639that. So this could be appliedwhenever you're reaching out at the abortion center,3400:02:30.879 --> 00:02:35.719maybe to a mom going in,certainly maybe to a friend that has3500:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.080a mom that's inside there, theboyfriend, family member or whatever, maybe3600:02:39.120 --> 00:02:44.719in conversations with some of your friendsthat might be pro abortion or, quote,3700:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.800pro choice. So what are someof the scientific reasons that we should3800:02:47.840 --> 00:02:53.080stand? Now we know, becausethis is a gospel centered pro life podcast3900:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.639and because we know that the foundationof truth is the God of truth himself,4000:02:58.520 --> 00:03:00.919that we need to bring God intothe equation. Right, if God4100:03:01.560 --> 00:03:06.080um, if God's not even theequation, then really, what value does4200:03:06.159 --> 00:03:08.840human life have beyond any other animalor creature or whatever? Right, we4300:03:08.919 --> 00:03:15.840believe that human beings have an intrinsicvalue that is other than any other creature,4400:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.919because human beings are the only creaturethat are made in the image of4500:03:19.960 --> 00:03:23.800God. So that's foundational. That'sabsolutely the case. But also we have4600:03:23.879 --> 00:03:30.240to acknowledge all truth is God's truth, right, all truth is God's truth,4700:03:30.719 --> 00:03:36.000and so scientific truths that have beenuncovered kind of reveal this truth that4800:03:36.080 --> 00:03:40.719the Bible speaks of that every humanbeing is Um is precious and should be4900:03:40.759 --> 00:03:45.840protected, and that human life doesn'tjust begin when a person is born,5000:03:45.879 --> 00:03:50.159but human life begins at conception andas a matter of fact, I don't5100:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.159know if you have it in thearticle, but about nine. So if5200:03:54.199 --> 00:03:58.240you if you ask the question,and I've been doing this with probortion people5300:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.240lately, asked them the question whendoes life begin and they say well,5400:04:01.280 --> 00:04:04.479no one really knows. And sothe next question is, who is most5500:04:04.560 --> 00:04:08.960qualified in your estimation to answer thatquestion? Do you have that in the5600:04:09.039 --> 00:04:14.159article? I don't. I'm interesting. So. So who is most qualified5700:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.759in your estimation? Talking to apro abortion person who loves science and all5800:04:17.800 --> 00:04:21.319these other things, claims to lovescience, at least until science doesn't fit5900:04:21.360 --> 00:04:26.759their agenda. So what asked them, who is most qualified in your estimation6000:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.839to tell us when life begins?Would it be biologists? And they would6100:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.839say I think so. Biologists shouldbe able to tell us, at least6200:04:33.879 --> 00:04:40.199they're the most qualified to tell uswhen life begins. Did you know that,6300:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.759according to a secular research paper,and I actually probably should put the6400:04:44.800 --> 00:04:51.199link somewhere here, that of biologistsagree that life begins at conception. It6500:04:51.319 --> 00:04:56.560does, right, yeah, Imean it's it's really you don't have to6600:04:56.639 --> 00:05:00.920be a super deep thinking person tofigure that out right. But just the6700:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.639fact that biologists agree with like reality, I guess, can help people who6800:05:04.720 --> 00:05:10.800don't agree with reality come to reality. So you're actually going against science to6900:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.959say that life doesn't begin at conceptionor no one really knows. Of scientists7000:05:16.240 --> 00:05:21.879say that life begins at conception.As a secular, scientifically minded person,7100:05:21.920 --> 00:05:26.560wouldn't you just agree that life beginsat conception? But of course they push7200:05:26.639 --> 00:05:29.720back and they'll say things like well, it may be life, but it's7300:05:29.759 --> 00:05:31.319not a person, and then youget into a personhood and all the other7400:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.639stuff. We may dig into someof that, but that's just, on7500:05:33.680 --> 00:05:38.120its face, kind of the flowof the conversation that I have with pro7600:05:38.160 --> 00:05:42.199abortion people. WHO's most qualified,in your estimation, tells when life begins?7700:05:43.160 --> 00:05:47.120Well, I think it's biologists.Okay, biologists say that life begins7800:05:47.120 --> 00:05:53.959at conception. What do they say? I mean, they're probably like biologists7900:05:54.000 --> 00:05:58.560that deal with metaphysics and who knowswhat else. They're probably like wicked biologists8000:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.240or who knows what they are.I can't imagine that there's seven percent that8100:06:01.319 --> 00:06:05.920wouldn't agree with the fact that lifebegins at the moment that spurn spurn meets8200:06:06.000 --> 00:06:13.079egg. But all of the medicaljournals I have ever read say that they8300:06:13.560 --> 00:06:19.519uniformly believe human life begins at conception. So Um, yeah, and and8400:06:19.560 --> 00:06:25.519the reason that these are all importantthings. I loved how you phrased it,8500:06:26.120 --> 00:06:30.120that everything points to God, whetherit's directly out of the Bible or8600:06:30.160 --> 00:06:35.240whether it's just the proof of allcreation. All creation does declare his glory.8700:06:35.279 --> 00:06:41.000We should be able to find Godin in everything. Um, but8800:06:41.639 --> 00:06:46.079so often, especially in more liberalcities that are serving in front of abortion8900:06:46.120 --> 00:06:50.319centers, people will tell them Idon't believe in God, and I'll listen9000:06:50.360 --> 00:06:54.199to you, I'll talk with you, but you can't talk about God.9100:06:54.439 --> 00:06:58.639Don't bring God into the equation,and I will always find a way to9200:06:58.720 --> 00:07:04.720do so. But I also thinkit's very important and actually not hard to9300:07:05.000 --> 00:07:13.079argue for the sanctity of human life, unborn human life, from a strictly9400:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.360scientific perspective, and that's what we'retrying to do in this article and podcast.9500:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.399Yeah, I mean the science ison our side. There's no doubt9600:07:20.399 --> 00:07:25.319about that, even to the pointwhere you know you have ultrasound technology now9700:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.800that if you deny that a babyin the womb at six weeks bees,9800:07:28.879 --> 00:07:30.959but as early as you can seeit with an ultrasound, a regular ultrasound,9900:07:31.319 --> 00:07:35.199but at six weeks, if youdeny that, that that embryo is10000:07:35.240 --> 00:07:42.639alive, you're just denying reality.Yeah, that's you have an agenda and10100:07:42.759 --> 00:07:47.079you've you've let go of reality inorder to enforce your agenda. And if10200:07:47.160 --> 00:07:57.959you attack, as in US attackthat premise that life does begin at concept,10300:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.920does not begin at conception, youattack act that pro choice premise.10400:08:01.639 --> 00:08:07.600They can't build on it to wherethey have ended up saying that it's okay10500:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.399to kill a baby and on bornbaby. Really all the way up until10600:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.879birth. They're going to have tokeep shifting their definition of when life begins,10700:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.040because most will say that yet it'snot human, that that's that's where10800:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.959we differ. They claim it it'snot a person, it's not human,10900:08:24.639 --> 00:08:26.839and that I don't even know ifI go directly into this in the article,11000:08:26.879 --> 00:08:28.680so I'll say it right now.It's one of the first things I11100:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.919always say on the mic Um whenI'm calling out, you know, of11200:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.960our sound system to the women isfrom the moment of conception, all the11300:08:37.120 --> 00:08:43.480human DNA, not the squirreld DNA, Turtle DNA, human DNA, is11400:08:43.519 --> 00:08:50.559all present already at the moment ofconception, and so that tells us that11500:08:50.720 --> 00:08:56.440is the earliest beginning of human life, not just of life but of human11600:08:56.559 --> 00:09:05.440life. And until really a abortion, personhood and human humanhood meant the same11700:09:05.480 --> 00:09:07.519thing, right. Yeah, yeah, and now they're trying to know to11800:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.080be a person, all you haveto do is be a human. So11900:09:11.120 --> 00:09:16.320here's another train of thought that I'vekind of walked through and talked through pro12000:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.960boards out here at Latrobe and otherpro boards and other cities and just try12100:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.279to help them to understand how ridiculoussome of what they say is. When12200:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.120I asked them when does life begin? And they say, well, we12300:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.279don't know, we don't really know. And so an analogy I'll give.12400:09:31.320 --> 00:09:35.039Okay, there's a school down theroad from your house and someone's about to12500:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.639take a wrecking ball and knock thatschool down, um because they're gonna build12600:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.600something else there. If they wereabout to swing the wrecking ball, and12700:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.120I walk up to the guy who'sin control of the wrecking ball and I12800:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.279say is there? Is there anyhuman lives inside of that building, and12900:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.720he says I don't know, likewe really can't know, then you shouldn't13000:09:54.720 --> 00:10:00.080swing the wrecking ball. If you'renot sure that there's not a huge in13100:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.840life, not a child, insideof that building, then you don't need.13200:10:03.080 --> 00:10:07.039You don't need to crank up themachine that's going to destroy the place13300:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.399right in the same way, ifyou say, well, we don't really13400:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.120know when life begins, what you'resaying is it could be a human life,13500:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.440it could be a person, butit could not be. So when13600:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.159in doubt, throw it out.That's the mentality win in down well,13700:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.320we're not really sure it's let's justgo ahead and kill it anyway. And13800:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.840like that just doesn't fly. Anotherthing is too this is another question I13900:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.559ask pro abortion people when they say, well, because some of them have14000:10:30.639 --> 00:10:35.000said it's not a person, itmight may be alive, because you'd have14100:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.720to not deny reality and deny scienceand most of them you can get to14200:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.360that position to realize that yes,it is a life, but it's not14300:10:41.399 --> 00:10:46.399a person. So it's a lifeand it's a human life. This is14400:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.159my train of thought. It's ahuman life because too humans conceived this life,14500:10:50.639 --> 00:10:56.200but it's not a person. Okay. Are there any other human lives14600:10:56.240 --> 00:11:00.559that are not persons? Is itonly the unborn? Are there poll that14700:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.159are different than you that are alsonot persons? Because that's essentially what you're14800:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.279saying. You're saying this is ahuman life, but because of traits that14900:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.159it has that I don't, orthat it doesn't have that I do,15000:11:09.679 --> 00:11:15.159it somehow is not a person.and to to me that sounds really Nazi15100:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.440esque. It really sounds like you'resegmenting out certain groups of people and saying15200:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.200they're non persons, but you getto maintain your personhood, and that's pretty15300:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.679convenient for you, isn't so?Again, you're trying to pin them down15400:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.840with this reality that they are beingUm, they're being bigots. Actually they15500:11:31.879 --> 00:11:35.919are. They are taking a populationof human lives and saying their lives are15600:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.120not worthy to be protected. Rightand in fact, Um. So I'll15700:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.960say, when do they become aperson? To Take Your where you've gone15800:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.960with it, which was great,and then take it, you know,15900:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.919to the next step. Well,when did they become at what point in16000:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.720this process. Do they would youcall them a person? They'll sometimes say16100:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.200when they take their first breath,and then you say, and how about16200:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.799that second before they again? Youjust bring it to their to help them16300:12:00.840 --> 00:12:05.159to understand their their premises flawed.It's just flat out wrong. Um.16400:12:05.320 --> 00:12:09.240So also, I think you broughtup a really good point. Another point.16500:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.600I don't think it's in the article. Maybe it is, but I16600:12:11.639 --> 00:12:18.879think it's very important. What othervulnerable people group do we allow ourselves to16700:12:18.919 --> 00:12:26.360prey upon? And the greatest atrocitiesin the history of all humanity is when16800:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.440we have allowed ourselves to pray ona vulnerable people group, and that's exactly16900:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.840what's happening in abortion. So anyway, so that those are all kind of17000:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.759an over overview of some of theplaces that you can go, one of17100:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.399the places many people go, andI don't think it should be where they17200:12:43.759 --> 00:12:48.840spend all their time, but thatabortion does harm women, and there certainly17300:12:50.200 --> 00:12:56.120is scientific support that abortion harms women. Of course, planned parenthood and industries17400:12:56.159 --> 00:13:00.919that, um, that are supportingit will say novice is not true and17500:13:00.960 --> 00:13:05.240that that literature is buried, butit's there. You you can find it.17600:13:05.279 --> 00:13:11.360There are there is just no doubtthat abortion does harm women. Um,17700:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.399the studies showing the link to breastcancer. UH, again, they17800:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.080will deny it, they will saythis is not true. I think I've17900:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.399said many times on this podcast thatmy own on oncologist, when he looked18000:13:24.440 --> 00:13:30.440at my breast cancer, said Ihad zero risk in any area. I18100:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.200didn't have the gene, I didn'thave the lifestyle. I'm healthy. I18200:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.799then I always have been. Alwaysexercise, always have eaten the right things,18300:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.720and yet I got breast cancer.And he said the only contributing factor18400:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.879that he could find in my history, and they did all kinds of tests,18500:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.000was the prior abortion, at whichpoint I said, are you saying18600:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.559that there is a link? Andhe said definitively. He was the head18700:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.600of Levine Cancer Institute. I thinkhe still is. So Um. You18800:13:58.600 --> 00:14:05.279know, that's pretty significant that someonein the field has admitted there is undoubtedly18900:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.960a link. At my own personalhe doesn't know what he's talking about.19000:14:09.000 --> 00:14:13.440The abortion people, they know whatthey're client. Who makes money off of19100:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.159doing the abortions? They know whatthey're talking about. But the head of19200:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.879the oncology department, he doesn't reallyknow what he's talking really. So there19300:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.440is this analysis that did look atall of these studies of breast cancer and19400:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.159it found that there was a fortincreased risk of breast cancer among females who19500:14:28.200 --> 00:14:35.200had at least one induced abortion,and that risk increased to seventy for those19600:14:35.200 --> 00:14:41.159who had had two to three abortionsrespectively. S Risk goes up the and19700:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.480I have studied why. I'm notgoing to go into it right now,19800:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.919but I do think people should lookinto it because it also helps explain the19900:14:46.960 --> 00:14:52.679difference between the breast cancer risk withabortion versus miscarriage, which does not appear20000:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.919to have a breast cancer risk associatedwith as far as I know. I20100:14:56.919 --> 00:15:01.440could be wrong about that. Soin this article, because we're gonna post20200:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.840this on sidewalks for life, willyou have like footnotes and links to these20300:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.759studies? They are in there somewhereand if they're not, off finding,20400:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.440but I'm pretty sure that they are, because I uh yeah, uh yeah,20500:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.480I do. I put up atthe top of it from Um.20600:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.679This is the bulk of the medicalinformation, is from from compass care,20700:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.440dot info, slash health information,abortion, and it goes on and on,20800:15:26.480 --> 00:15:31.000but I do have that link.And then in that article. Um20900:15:31.120 --> 00:15:35.559are all of the links of theresearch studies which I cite in this article,21000:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.039so you can look those up foryourselves, which is really, I21100:15:39.080 --> 00:15:43.120think, a good thing to do. STDS, public inflammatory disease, that21200:15:43.799 --> 00:15:52.559there's been a strong link between abortionand those Um mental health issues, which21300:15:52.799 --> 00:15:58.600include suicide. Now we see that. We I don't know that I see21400:15:58.639 --> 00:16:03.360suicide. I have. I've seenpeople threatening suicide as the result of abortion,21500:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.919but I do see the depression,that despair, the angst and often21600:16:07.960 --> 00:16:12.320the suicidal thoughts that that follow abortion. And the literature supports that. Is21700:16:12.360 --> 00:16:18.399there more women who have had anabortion and Um commit suicide than those who21800:16:18.440 --> 00:16:26.759have not. So Um infertility andfuture child bearing is another thing that Um21900:16:26.840 --> 00:16:32.240that is a linked with increased abortions. You know, it makes sense.22000:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.600Complications can arise that cause infection,damage to the uterus and other, you22100:16:37.639 --> 00:16:42.039know, other reproductive organs, andso it can increase the risk for future22200:16:42.559 --> 00:16:47.360child bearing. And some of thesaddest stories we hear on the sidewalk are22300:16:47.399 --> 00:16:51.279the women who come back and theydo that tell us I had an abortion22400:16:51.399 --> 00:16:55.840here years and years ago because itwasn't the right time for a family and22500:16:55.879 --> 00:16:59.480then I got married, I wasready to start a family and I couldn't.22600:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.759I couldn't get pregnant. The onlybaby I ever had was the baby22700:17:03.799 --> 00:17:08.599that I killed. So Um,yeah. So uh, there. You22800:17:08.640 --> 00:17:14.680can read the article, look upthese links, but that is a definitely22900:17:14.720 --> 00:17:18.599a tactic you can take in talkingto the people. Is Abortion not only23000:17:18.640 --> 00:17:25.359clearly destroys the baby, but itdestroys the women in so many ways.23100:17:26.559 --> 00:17:32.400One of the things that I haverecently started saying and thinking about is the23200:17:32.440 --> 00:17:37.279only human relationship that everyone shares,it's the only one, is the relationship23300:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.519between a mother and a child.Now, the you know, because the23400:17:41.559 --> 00:17:44.960father could be long out of thepicture by the time a baby is born,23500:17:45.759 --> 00:17:51.039but every child experiences a relationship withthe mother. The mother could die23600:17:51.359 --> 00:17:56.480in childbirth or whatever. Sometimes thathappened, so that experience was limited to23700:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.400while the baby was in the womb. But that baby here a heartbeat,23800:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.000presumably, depending on yeah, yeah, they would have heard a heartbeat.23900:18:04.359 --> 00:18:08.640Um, if the baby is bornnow and their mother has died. So24000:18:08.920 --> 00:18:18.160Um, it's the most primary anduniversal relationship on Earth, human relationship on24100:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.799earth, and I hadn't really thoughtmuch about that before. But think about24200:18:22.880 --> 00:18:30.680that and how abortion severs that,severs that most primary universal relationship. How24300:18:30.720 --> 00:18:37.039could it not damage both the child, obviously, but the mother as well?24400:18:37.200 --> 00:18:42.759Yeah. So, so that's anarea you can you can go into.24500:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.319Um, we touched upon the logicof why we should protect the vulnerable.24600:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.680Why should we protect a vulnerable peoplegroup? Is it such a big24700:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.839deal? Right? Well, Imean I think kind of like just intrinsically,24800:18:56.920 --> 00:19:02.559we know that those that can't protectthemselves need our protection. You know,24900:19:02.640 --> 00:19:07.720it's like, you know, ifyou see typically right, if you25000:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.640see, and this is an analogyto people drowning in a pond, flailing25100:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.079and can't can't get out because theycan't swim, one's a thirty year old25200:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.480man and one's a six year oldchild, you're gonna save the six year25300:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.200old child first, especially if he'sbobbing underwater. The man is floating on25400:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.200his back doing okay, but thatchild's gonna Drown. Yeah, but either,25500:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.839if they're even if they're both notdoing so well, you're gonna Save25600:19:30.880 --> 00:19:34.920the Child first because you recognize thatchild is a lot more vulnerable. We25700:19:34.920 --> 00:19:41.039we flipped that upside down when weum are okay with abortion. Right,25800:19:41.079 --> 00:19:44.440these children in the womb are themost vulnerable, right, they can't even25900:19:44.480 --> 00:19:48.559speak for themselves. And so againyou flip that on on its head and26000:19:48.839 --> 00:19:55.720we become a pretty, Um,pretty callous society and I believe the abortion,26100:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.799the whole abortion agenda, that cultureof death, has really taken root26200:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.720in our society where we have becomepretty callous, pretty callous to the suffering26300:20:04.720 --> 00:20:10.440and the pain of other people,pretty selfish, and I believe, you26400:20:10.480 --> 00:20:15.319know, US not protecting the mostvulnerable is the root of that. Yeah,26500:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.319I mean that is exactly what theabortion movement does in so many areas.26600:20:19.319 --> 00:20:26.039But flipping things on its head,flipping what is typically touted as a26700:20:26.240 --> 00:20:33.799sign of healthy and strong humanity,which is to protect the vulnerable, and26800:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.119instead we're going to prey on thevulnerable because we can, because we're stronger26900:20:37.160 --> 00:20:42.640and we're able. So, Um, I think that's a powerful argument that27000:20:42.640 --> 00:20:52.000that could be mentioned human design.So the one organ in all human beings27100:20:52.480 --> 00:20:59.559that is of no use to theperson in which that organ resides is the27200:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.920womb. The womb doesn't do themother any good. I just said this27300:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.160today to a woman I was counselingcar side said, does the wound do27400:21:06.200 --> 00:21:11.200you any good? No, itdoesn't contribute in any way to the health27500:21:11.240 --> 00:21:17.720of the woman. It is purelythere for another human being. There is27600:21:17.759 --> 00:21:22.480a reason. There's a reason whywe don't disrupt God's design. I will27700:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.039bring in God. They told menot to talk about God, maybe,27800:21:26.279 --> 00:21:32.119but that's a point at where Iwill talk about this is designed for another27900:21:32.680 --> 00:21:37.079person, another human being, anotherbody again, which is kind of dismantling28000:21:37.079 --> 00:21:42.480them. My Body, my choice. Yeah, absolutely. So, Um,28100:21:42.559 --> 00:21:49.160let's see human rights, just thinkingabout human rights as certainly as our28200:21:49.200 --> 00:21:53.799founding documents say, they're in alienable, and I'll ask people what does that28300:21:53.839 --> 00:22:00.160mean? A lot of people don'tknow. But our society, I.28400:22:00.200 --> 00:22:04.400Don't come from outer space. No, inalienable. So it didn't come from28500:22:04.400 --> 00:22:10.079outer space. So it's intrinsic.It's there. It's bestowed upon us,28600:22:10.160 --> 00:22:14.039not by government, you know,not by the mother or father. The28700:22:14.240 --> 00:22:18.240human right to life is a humanright bestowed upon us by God. It28800:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.880is an intrinsic right because God hascreated us and given us that right.28900:22:22.920 --> 00:22:30.559He's the author of life. Um, and I think it's UH in today's29000:22:30.640 --> 00:22:36.319age, I have found that ifI start talking about school shootings with with29100:22:36.359 --> 00:22:38.920a mom and say why do youthink they're happening? Why do you think29200:22:38.920 --> 00:22:41.920there's so much of this happen?They'll say people just don't care anymore.29300:22:41.960 --> 00:22:47.920People don't care about the value oflife. This will be an abortion minded29400:22:47.920 --> 00:22:52.640mom saying this to me. Whata great springboard for you to take off.29500:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.680Then on Um and I'll say you'reabsolutely right, and I think it29600:22:56.680 --> 00:23:03.640begins with the unborn. If valuethe least of us, one day we're29700:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.839going to be the least of usand we're going to be devalued by someone.29800:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.279Yeah, it's it's that culture ofdeath and Um. Like I said29900:23:11.279 --> 00:23:17.519earlier, it is a cancer inour society. We become callous to the30000:23:17.599 --> 00:23:22.279plight of even the most innocent andit really does have an effect on society.30100:23:23.039 --> 00:23:27.480So kind of uh, I guess. Wrapping up this episode, Let's30200:23:27.519 --> 00:23:33.720talk about the sled methods. We'retalking about apologetics, giving an apologetic we30300:23:33.799 --> 00:23:40.319talked about scientific apologetics for the valueof human life. Why abortion should be30400:23:40.359 --> 00:23:44.920illegal, why we should fight againstabortion. It hurts women, it destroys30500:23:44.960 --> 00:23:49.240innocent lives. Um, but ScottKlusendorff is a guy I don't know him30600:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.960personally, but I've read and I'vewatched a lot of his videos, read30700:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.440a lot of his literature and hereally has, I think, a powerful30800:23:56.720 --> 00:24:04.119method of helping people understand, Um, what gives us value as human beings.30900:24:04.160 --> 00:24:08.720And kind of just a spoiler alerthere. What gives us value as31000:24:08.759 --> 00:24:14.519human beings is the fact that we'rehuman beings. No trait that I have31100:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.960or that you have makes me morevaluable than you or you more valuable than31200:24:18.039 --> 00:24:22.640me. It's not the traits thatwe possess or that we don't possess,31300:24:22.000 --> 00:24:26.640it's the very fact that we're human. And so it's got cluesendorff lays out31400:24:26.720 --> 00:24:32.440this sled method to help people understandthe value of human life, and sled31500:24:32.559 --> 00:24:37.240stands for size, level of development, environment and degree of dependency. So31600:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.279I don't know if you want totalk through that and kind of how you31700:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.599use that apologetic to help people seethe value of human life. I use31800:24:42.680 --> 00:24:47.440this all the time. This umI don't go into great depth, but31900:24:47.519 --> 00:24:52.279I will frequently use this method becauseit's very effective. Like you said,32000:24:52.119 --> 00:24:56.920I will start with I'll ask thequestion what gives us value? Can you32100:24:56.960 --> 00:25:00.880tell me what gives you value?I'll ask them, um that oftentimes they32200:25:00.920 --> 00:25:06.680don't know. They often times can'tanswer that. And if they can't answer32300:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.799it, well, no, wonderthen that they're not valuing their baby.32400:25:08.960 --> 00:25:12.519They don't value themselves. They don'tknow why they are of any value.32500:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.759So I'll start with well, youknow, I'm I'm a fairly small woman.32600:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.559Am I of less value than alarger women? Women? No,32700:25:22.279 --> 00:25:27.720the everyone will admit now. No, size doesn't determine value. Um.32800:25:27.799 --> 00:25:33.960And then how how about? Um, uh, you know the you're two32900:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.279year old WHO's smaller than your threeyear old. Is your two year old33000:25:38.319 --> 00:25:44.039of less value? No. Well, how about your unborn baby that's smaller33100:25:44.079 --> 00:25:48.480than you're two year old? We'vejust determined it's not the size that gives33200:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.720value. So they'll agree with that. The usually okay, that makes sense33300:25:52.759 --> 00:25:57.519because you're being logical. Um,how about level of development? So we're33400:25:57.559 --> 00:26:03.359we're all at different levels of development, and something I trot out often when33500:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.440I'm talking about human development is thehuman being is not fully developed. The33600:26:07.519 --> 00:26:12.079brain is not fully developed until aboutage thirty. It's in the late twenties,33700:26:12.119 --> 00:26:18.680early thirties when the there's the nervesthat go to the frontal lobe,33800:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.839which is the seat of judgment ofthe brain, which makes a lot of33900:26:22.960 --> 00:26:29.319sense why young adults and teenagers andall sometimes don't make the best judgments about34000:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.160things. Because they're those nerves.Don't have the nerve sheath that surrounds the34100:26:33.200 --> 00:26:38.440nerve that helps with the transmission ofof Um, the transmission of those nerves,34200:26:38.839 --> 00:26:44.440and that's why teenagers do stupid is. There is a neurological reason.34300:26:44.519 --> 00:26:48.920They are not those nerves sheaths arenot fully milinated. That word is hard34400:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.839to say, but but so theyare not complete. They are not complete.34500:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.720The development of those nerves is notcomplete. And it doesn't happen to34600:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.400the thirties, then I'll say,so, would it be okay, since34700:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.680they're not fully developed, that wejust kill everyone under thirty when they you34800:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.160know, maybe they've done some reallystupid things or whatever, you don't like34900:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.480them. And of course everyone saysno, that's ridiculous. Well, that's35000:27:11.519 --> 00:27:15.880the logic that is often used.That baby isn't fully developed. Therefore it's35100:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.039okay to kill that baby in thewomb. And I'll say, do you35200:27:19.119 --> 00:27:23.000see why that argument is really nota good argument for killing that child and35300:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.319they'll agree, usually. Um.Then I'll say, okay, how about35400:27:27.519 --> 00:27:32.799where I live? I live inNorth Carolina, ten miles away is South35500:27:32.839 --> 00:27:34.519Carolina, because we're pretty close tothe border. Am I right about that?35600:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.880They were pretty close. Um,am I am. I have more35700:27:38.960 --> 00:27:45.400value because I live in North Carolinathen the person who lives in South Carolina.35800:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.920And they'll say no, of coursenot. Well, why not?35900:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.599Well, because where you live doesn'tdetermine your value. All right. Well,36000:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.480how about the baby in the womb? is she of more or less36100:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.359value than the baby outside of thewomb? It's just different environment, whether36200:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.240you're inside a house or outside.In a house, you're still a human36300:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.799being and you're still valuable. Andthe inside or outside. That's right.36400:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.359And so, yeah, and that'sa great thing, saying in or outside36500:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.400a house, because everyone can relateto that. In the womb is the36600:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.799baby's house, and and and,but it doesn't change value because the babies36700:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.599in the house are out of theHouse. It's still the same baby.36800:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.599Um. And then the last onethat they say is, and we hear36900:28:25.640 --> 00:28:30.319this one a lot, babies areUm. An unborn child is fully dependent37000:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.160upon their mother for life, andthat is true. They are, but37100:28:34.279 --> 00:28:38.319so is a newborn, and infact so is my father in the last37200:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.759years of his life, dependent uponoxygen and the doctors and the treatments they37300:28:42.759 --> 00:28:48.640were giving him Um or anyone onuh, you know, dialysis. There37400:28:48.680 --> 00:28:55.759are so many examples medically of peoplewho would die except that they're dependent on37500:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.839some other person to either provide anintervention in or to provide care or whatever.37600:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.720And yet does was my dad ofless value? No, of course37700:29:06.799 --> 00:29:11.640not. Or a person on dialysiswhile they're on that dialysis machine, when37800:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.759they would die if you suddenly justshut it down. What does that make37900:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.160them of less value? Of coursenot. And the same is true of38000:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.680the baby in the womb. Uh, the baby is dependent on the mother38100:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.559and will be for many years,but her value is not determined by that38200:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.519dependency. And so what it boilsdown to? Is it size that gives38300:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.839the human being their value? No. Is it level of development? No,38400:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.799is it environment? No, isit degree of dependency? And of38500:29:38.799 --> 00:29:44.359course these are all the arguments thatpro abortion people give. Those things can't38600:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.359give humans value, because there arehumans other than the preborn that have those38700:29:48.400 --> 00:29:55.079things different. All of us arein varying ranges of development and dependency and38800:29:55.119 --> 00:29:59.519all that stuff. So what isit that gives a human their value?38900:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.440It's the very fact that they're human. They're human and they're made and God,39000:30:03.480 --> 00:30:04.960and that's when I will bring Godin. I will, I will39100:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.440bring in that sentence and let itsay. If they won't let me do39200:30:08.559 --> 00:30:14.640more, the only thing that makessense. Why? We're human and we're39300:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.519made in God's holy image and ourvalue comes from that and you can't.39400:30:18.720 --> 00:30:25.559It doesn't change from conception till death. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well,39500:30:25.559 --> 00:30:29.119guys, hopefully this was helpful.Hopefully this equipped you to be able39600:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.039to give an apologetic and there's alot of other resources out there. There39700:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.039are certainly people that do things asfar as apologetics a lot better than us.39800:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.960You can check out Scott Klusendorf.I believe the organization is Life Institute,39900:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.519Life Training Institute. Anyway, youcan look it up. I'm not40000:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.039going to try to spell CLUESENDORF foryou, though, so you can google40100:30:48.039 --> 00:30:51.319it just like it sounds. Yeah, Um Seth Gruber, there's another guy.40200:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.799He does a great job with apologetics, great speaker. He's done a40300:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.200lot of stuff with love life.Is certainly a guy that God has used40400:30:57.200 --> 00:31:00.759out on the West Coast, certainlyto get some church is mobilized and equip40500:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.240and train some folks. So checkout Seth Groeber his podcast. It's called40600:31:04.359 --> 00:31:08.519unaboarded and so really powerful podcast.So definitely check him out and check out40700:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.920some of his apologetic materials, videosand stuff that he's put out on Um,40800:31:12.240 --> 00:31:17.000on Youtube and social media. Andso again, hopefully this was equipping40900:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.200and encouraging to you guys. Youcan reach out to us. You can41000:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.799reach me, Daniel, I lovelife dot Org, and reach her Vicky,41100:31:21.920 --> 00:31:23.240with a why I love life dotOrg. We love to hear from41200:31:23.240 --> 00:31:27.920you, maybe with some suggestions offuture podcasts and Um. Yeah, until41300:31:27.920 --> 00:31:34.880next time, God, bless God, bless you are. Give me our41400:31:36.200 --> 00:31:48.440love for love, give me ourlove for gratitude. I know it will41500:31:48.599 --> 00:32:02.079cost me my life. Nothing's tooprecious. And some you M