June 30, 2022
Leaving Sorrow Behind

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We experience a lot of sorrow in ministry at the abortion centers. It’s very difficult to watch women walk into the abortion center day after day and leave with the heaviness of that situation unscathed. In this episode, we talk about how to process ...
We experience a lot of sorrow in ministry at the abortion centers. It’s very difficult to watch women walk into the abortion center day after day and leave with the heaviness of that situation unscathed. In this episode, we talk about how to process all of this and stay effective on the sidewalk.
WEBVTT100:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.320At the end of the day,if we carry a load of guilt or200:00:04.360 --> 00:00:10.359sorrow with us from circumstances that wehave no control over, that stuff will300:00:10.400 --> 00:00:16.239weigh us down. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours,400:00:16.679 --> 00:00:22.079and me, Lord, I amyours, I am yours. I'm500:00:22.120 --> 00:00:27.160welcome to the Gospel Center Pro LifePodcast, a podcast designed to equip,600:00:27.359 --> 00:00:31.679encourage and challenge you in pro lifeministry, and always with a focus on700:00:31.719 --> 00:00:41.719the Gospel. Stay tuned. Ifelt show passish, touch your heart.800:00:42.880 --> 00:00:49.479Use He there. Welcome to theGospel centered pro life podcast. I'm Vicki900:00:49.560 --> 00:00:53.640Cos yerk. I'm here with DanielParks. How's it going? So we're1000:00:53.679 --> 00:00:58.280here in Charlotte and, as always, hoping to encourage and equip you with1100:00:58.359 --> 00:01:06.599these weekly podcast this one was reallypretty interesting because three times this very week,1200:01:06.640 --> 00:01:10.840three of our volunteers came to mewith basically the same question. Yeah,1300:01:10.879 --> 00:01:15.040and that's the the crux of thisof this podcast. Okay, they1400:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.439they said, they all three,had seen some pretty awful things. We1500:01:19.480 --> 00:01:23.359always see awful things on the sideback, but this was for them all pretty1600:01:23.359 --> 00:01:29.359particularly awful and sorrowful. And theysaid, how do you fully engage your1700:01:29.400 --> 00:01:33.239heart, do what you need todo, feel the level of compassion,1800:01:33.280 --> 00:01:37.719the the gravity of what you're facingwhile you're on the sidewalk and then,1900:01:37.719 --> 00:01:42.120when your shift is up, disengageright and be able to leave all that2000:01:42.159 --> 00:01:48.719behind you go home and live yourlife without guilt and without sorrow. Yeah,2100:01:48.760 --> 00:01:52.280that's basically the crux right, thecrux of their question. Yeah,2200:01:52.120 --> 00:01:53.280yeah, I mean I think there'sa sense in which, as we talked2300:01:53.280 --> 00:01:57.680about this episode before we started recording, there's a sense in which you feel2400:01:57.680 --> 00:02:02.480guilty when you leave the sidewalk.You feel guilty for kind of going on2500:02:02.519 --> 00:02:06.840with your life right, feel guilty. Okay, after you get done with2600:02:06.879 --> 00:02:08.319the sidewalk, if you're there inthe morning and you're hunger you go eat2700:02:08.400 --> 00:02:13.039lunch. Yeah, and like realizing, okay, I just left from a2800:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.400place, Hmmm, where babies weredying inside, and now here I am2900:02:16.159 --> 00:02:21.199at chick fil a or nonmals orwhatever, eat lunch, enjoying life.3000:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.960It's two babies died today, totell you the truth, that that did3100:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.840happen today and they're all going outfor lunch today to build to immunity.3200:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.479And that's the disconnect that that iswhat these three counselor said. How,3300:02:31.479 --> 00:02:35.360how do we do this? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, and3400:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.240it's a very to me it's atelling question. It's these people understand the3500:02:39.240 --> 00:02:43.759gravity of what they're doing exactly,and I think that's a good thing.3600:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.759It's a good thing that we don'tjust kind of we're not doing this to3700:02:46.840 --> 00:02:49.879check a box, and I wouldsay the vast majority of people that are3800:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.520involved in this ministry are not justcheck in a box, right, right,3900:02:53.639 --> 00:02:55.919doing it because their hearts are engaged. So I guess the crux of4000:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.360the issue is, how do youhow do you keep your heart soft before4100:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.080the Lord without hardening your heart?How do you deal with the guilt of4200:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.280like, yeah, just left aplace that babies are dying and even sometimes4300:03:07.319 --> 00:03:12.800no babies were saves? We don'tknow that allows or change yeah, and4400:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.039go home, for example, andplay with your own kids, like there's4500:03:15.080 --> 00:03:20.879just this weightingess there that I thinkis a necessary weightingness, but it's also4600:03:21.120 --> 00:03:25.360necessary that we deal with it and, like we've always said, we cannot4700:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.439be driven by guilt. I cannotbe driven by guilt. Now, does4800:03:30.520 --> 00:03:35.159God use guilt and can God useguilt in the lives of Christians to get4900:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.520them to do things that they're supposedto do. Yes, he can,5000:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.400God can use guilt. Guilt isnot a bad thing. It's not a5100:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.479bad thing as far as like aninitial motivator, but it's a horrible sustainer.5200:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.199Right, right, and so guiltmight get you on the sidewalk,5300:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.400but it's not going to sustain youthere. Yeah, what's going to sustain5400:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.479you there and keep you from goingbonkers, because that's what can happen,5500:03:57.759 --> 00:04:01.639is a love for Jesus and anacknowledgement of who Jesus is, right,5600:04:01.680 --> 00:04:08.840that he's the Lord over everything.Now, he's not controlling the abortionist forceps,5700:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.800he's not influencing the abortionist to killbabies. Right, God's against that5800:04:12.840 --> 00:04:17.240stuff. So God's not doing thewickedness, but he is Lord over everything5900:04:17.279 --> 00:04:21.600and he's going to right all thewrongs. It's not our charge to right6000:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.879all the wrongs. Yes, weshould, we should right the wrongs that6100:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.759are within our control. Hey,but what's within our control? Using our6200:04:30.839 --> 00:04:34.560voice, HMM, being out there, reaching out, offering literature, speaking6300:04:34.600 --> 00:04:39.879the truth and love, proclaiming theGospel, like we can do those things.6400:04:39.920 --> 00:04:44.120But what's not in our control isthe changing of a human heart.6500:04:44.199 --> 00:04:48.360Yeah, Paul, the this manof God who walked more closely with God6600:04:48.399 --> 00:04:55.279than probably anybody, said that basicallyall he's doing is planning seeds and watering6700:04:55.279 --> 00:04:58.720seats. Yeah, and God givesthe increase. Even Paul, a man6800:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.759of faith and power who God usedto turn the world right side up,6900:05:02.000 --> 00:05:08.000realize that he couldn't do more thanjust plant seeds and water. Yeah.7000:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.079So, a matter of fact,that one point. He says, I'm7100:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.759going to butcher the scripture. It'sin First Corinthians, of believe, first7200:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.319couple of chapters. But he talksabout people who are rebellion against God and7300:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.480people who are receptive toward God.And he says to one we are the7400:05:18.519 --> 00:05:24.360fragrance of life unto life, andto other the fragrance of death leading to7500:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.800death. And then he says,who is sufficient for these things? The7600:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.560question is like a rhetorical question.We're not sufficient. Where the fragrance of7700:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.600life to life, death to death, like we're going to be received in7800:05:33.639 --> 00:05:36.519some ways, we're going to berejected in some ways. WHO's sufficient?7900:05:36.600 --> 00:05:43.240Like who can do this work?Nobody can. The Lord the Holy Spirit,8000:05:43.279 --> 00:05:45.519he can do it through us,and so we've got to be yielded8100:05:45.519 --> 00:05:47.800to him. And so I guesswhat I'm getting to is it's not our8200:05:47.920 --> 00:05:53.240job to change hearts. We can'ttake ownership of the babies that were like8300:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.319we said, we don't take ownershipof the victories. Are Glory and God8400:05:56.319 --> 00:06:00.000for the victories that are aught,but we can't take glory for those things8500:06:00.000 --> 00:06:01.399things. It's God doing the work. Yeah, in the same way,8600:06:01.439 --> 00:06:05.360we can't take ownership of the apparentdefeats, like fifty two babies dying.8700:06:05.800 --> 00:06:11.519Yeah, those women, those menthat are associated with that, the abortionist,8800:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.639the abortion workers, all they're accountableto God. We warned them,8900:06:14.680 --> 00:06:16.800we shared the truth and it's betweenthem and the Lord. We did what9000:06:16.800 --> 00:06:20.319we were called to do. Weplanted seeds, we watered seeds. It's9100:06:20.439 --> 00:06:24.720between them and the Lord if theincrease comes. Yeah, so once again9200:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.079we could probably step right here.Daniel has summarized in five minutes, but9300:06:28.959 --> 00:06:30.800my long article. But actually wedo have an article. Yeah, the9400:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.360company says, and what Daniel did, I think can what you always do9500:06:33.399 --> 00:06:36.879so well, is kind of giveus summary of the issue. Yeah,9600:06:36.920 --> 00:06:43.439and and what I did in thisarticle was I really thought through how do9700:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.240I deal with it, because Iof course I have to deal with this.9800:06:46.360 --> 00:06:48.519Anyone who's been out here for anylength of time has had to deal9900:06:48.560 --> 00:06:53.879with this, and I kind ofbroke it down into this steps of how10000:06:53.920 --> 00:06:57.199I deal with it. Okay,I'm sure you'll have some stuff to add10100:06:57.240 --> 00:07:00.319to that, but but well,I hope to be able to teach you10200:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.040guys something at the end. Hopefullywe'll have enough time. We'll try and10300:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.680leave teach you kind of like youknow, I've taught about putting on the10400:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.879armor of God and and that sortof thing, and just something the Lord's10500:07:08.879 --> 00:07:11.399taught me over the years. Idon't think I'm great or anything, but10600:07:11.399 --> 00:07:15.680the Lord's been very gracious to teachme some things and just ways to pray.10700:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.199That helped me to process and unwandby mine and kind of, like10800:07:18.240 --> 00:07:21.519the Bible says, cast my careson the Lord. Yeah, because we10900:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.439have to do that. So I'mgoing to teach you guys, maybe a11000:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.959little something from the gospel of Johnthat that I do on a regular basis.11100:07:28.959 --> 00:07:30.800That really helps me and hopefully itwill help you guys. Okay,11200:07:30.839 --> 00:07:35.040that would be a great way toend to end all this. But I11300:07:35.079 --> 00:07:41.000think the very first step is toacknowledge the horror. Don't deny it,11400:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.839don't intend it's not there. Itis there. This is a grievous,11500:07:44.920 --> 00:07:49.800unspeakable sin. Yeah, unbearable sin, knowing what really happens out there,11600:07:49.879 --> 00:07:54.759and I think to just kind ofgloss over that fact doesn't help us.11700:07:54.759 --> 00:07:58.600I think we have to first acknowledge. Yes, what we are facing is11800:07:58.680 --> 00:08:03.959absolute horror, right, and itgrieves the heart of God deeply and that's11900:08:03.000 --> 00:08:09.360part of why we're coming back out. We recognize the incredible depravity that that12000:08:09.399 --> 00:08:15.040we are seeing day after day.So, like in in all this isn't12100:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.120an illness. The question that they'reasking it's how to cope. But in12200:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.319anything that needs to be healed ina way they're asking, how do I12300:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.439heal from this? Well, thefirst step in any healing is acknowledge that12400:08:26.439 --> 00:08:30.920that this is an assault, thisis this is horrible. I think that12500:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.200some point in this article I sayit's clear that there are mothers that are12600:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.879being wounded, babies are clearly beingworded. Yeah, but what we do12700:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.679need to recognize as so are we? So are we as we watching?12800:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.879Yes, and I think to oneof the kind of, I guess,12900:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.000perspective things that we need to understandis, yes, this is horrible to13000:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.679us, it grieves our hearts,but how much more does it grieve the13100:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.080heart of God? Right, God, God created these children in his image,13200:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.759he formed them in their mother's womb, and he's actually seeing, because13300:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.559the Bible says the eye the Lordis in every place. He's seeing the13400:09:05.559 --> 00:09:11.120the the graphic and the gruesome realitythat's happening. We're we're spared from seeing13500:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.720that, right, for the mostpart. Yeah, and we don't see13600:09:13.759 --> 00:09:18.320all the repercussions. We don't seeall the family members, all the society,13700:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.919all of the all of the effectsthat God does. Yeah, and13800:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.759so if he grieves our her howmuch more the heart of God's wo just13900:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.799helps us to just know that theLord is in this grief with us.14000:09:26.840 --> 00:09:30.919He is him. But we can'tstay there, we can't rest, we14100:09:31.039 --> 00:09:35.120can't abide in that grief because we'llnever be effective. Yeah. So the14200:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.440second thing I think you touched onreally well was we need to recognize our14300:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.919role right in the in the faceof this grief. What is our role14400:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.919and what's God's real and you've alreadysaid that perfectly. Our role is to14500:09:46.919 --> 00:09:52.919show up, to speak, todo everything that we are biblically commanded to14600:09:52.960 --> 00:09:58.039do and expressing truth, compassion,offering help, but we're not responsible for14700:09:58.240 --> 00:10:03.159the results. Those totally up toGod. And the third step really blends14800:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.639into that, which is look forGod. Yeah, and what I mean14900:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.120by that we've talked about that anotherpodcast. Looking for God, looking for15000:10:11.159 --> 00:10:15.679his miracles. They are always there, even in the darkest of darkest place,15100:10:15.960 --> 00:10:20.440God is always there and if youseek him, you will find him15200:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.279and you can see him moving,even if it's not a save to baby15300:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.720like. Think at about the littlethings, the fact that there's a friend15400:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.279next to you who may be acharm around you and notice it you tears.15500:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.080Yeah, knows that you're sad andit is is there to offer help.15600:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.440And Yeah, the fact that teammember show up at all, right,15700:10:39.519 --> 00:10:43.360the fact that a mom ever stopsand takes her there to church,15800:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.480every one of those things are miracles. Yeah, and if you start to15900:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.559look at look for the miracles,I think it helps you to see past16000:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.000the darkness. I think so time. Yeah, we do kind of look16100:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.759at and certainly the wins, thebig wins, or when people come to16200:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.440the Lord, when babies are saved, right, those are those are big16300:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.919wins. But sometimes we miss sortof, I guess, the little wins,16400:11:05.919 --> 00:11:07.480but they're kind of big wins.Yeah, so some of the things16500:11:07.480 --> 00:11:11.559we get to see his churches gettingmobilized judges. I was in a church16600:11:11.639 --> 00:11:16.480just a couple of nights ago.WAS ONE BIGGER CHURCH HERE IN CHARLOTTE,16700:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.639a church that about ten years ago, I would have said is never going16800:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.360to be involved there, that pastorsnever going to talk about abortion, he's16900:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.360never going to do with the issue. For Fourth, rightly, I was17000:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.480in a service the other night wherethe pastor was plainly from the pulpit calling17100:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.759abortion murder. Wow, and plainlysaying the church, we need to do17200:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.759something and step up. Yeah,open it up the whole service to talk17300:11:39.799 --> 00:11:41.360about the issue of abortion. They'veadopted a week with love life. That's17400:11:41.399 --> 00:11:46.799like a massive victory. Yeah,another victory. I just heard from my17500:11:46.919 --> 00:11:52.000team in northern California and anyach thereand there's a guy who now is volunteering17600:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.919on the sidewalk. He's kind ofgetting trained up to volunteer on the sidewalk.17700:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.120He was driving by the local planparenthood and the Holy Spirit spoke to17800:11:58.159 --> 00:12:03.039his heart and essence like what areyou doing? Where are you at when17900:12:03.039 --> 00:12:05.320this thing's happening? Where's my people? And so he saw, ended up18000:12:05.360 --> 00:12:09.440seeing the team out there. GotActually came to a prayer wall, got18100:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.679plugged in at sidewalk out reaching.was broken over the fact that he's done18200:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.720nothing about abortion and now he's doingsomething. So those are victories. Like18300:12:16.720 --> 00:12:22.320you're talking about people standing next toyou. God's building a team of people18400:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.600in your city, maybe slowly,but surely he's building that team, and18500:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.519that's something the glory in as well. So I'm going to share a scripture.18600:12:28.519 --> 00:12:33.720Okay, let I think is helpfuland I hope I could find it18700:12:33.759 --> 00:12:41.039here in Philippians, and this isPaul the Apostle encouraging the church in Philippi18800:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.159to meditate on the things, tothink on the things that are good,18900:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.039because we can. I was Iwas just cheering with my family last night.19000:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.080We're going through the doing a scripturea day, just kind of talking19100:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.399through it. I'm kind of teachingmy family through it, and this is19200:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.120what it was. The scripture foryesterday, and just telling my kids.19300:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.000My wife like how our minds gravitatetoward the negative. Look at news,19400:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.519or all the news is negative becausethey know that's how they get ratings and19500:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.279stuff. As our mind's, ahuman mind, gravitates toward the negative.19600:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.240And so Paul says here. Finally, brethren, whatever things are true,19700:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.639whatever things are noble, whatever thingsare just, whatever things are pure,19800:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.600whatever things are lovely, whatever thingsover or of good report, if there19900:13:20.639 --> 00:13:26.480is any virtue, if there's AnythingPraiseworthy Worthy, meditate on these things in20000:13:26.639 --> 00:13:31.799mad and so he's not just talkingabout kind of letting your mind just.20100:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.919You're freeing your mind now. Hesays, think about like what you're going20200:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.720to eat when you get home.He's saying, look right here at there20300:13:39.840 --> 00:13:43.039is something lovely here. Focus onwhat that is, focus all meditate on.20400:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.120Yeah, think on the things thatare lovely, even on the sidewalk.20500:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.360Fifty two babies dying. Yeah,but are there are some things that20600:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.240we can meditate on that we couldhave a thankful heart toward God. They're20700:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.559happening. Yes, God is raisingup an army of people. Yeah,20800:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.919God's Word is going forth. Yeah, right, there's a you have a20900:14:01.960 --> 00:14:07.759team that's with you in this thing. They're speaking truth, despite being taunted21000:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.799and ridiculed, they are speaking truth. How many people will do that?21100:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.320What amazing people we get to standalongside. Yeah, those are good and21200:14:16.399 --> 00:14:22.799worthy and noble things to think absolutelyand to dwell upon this. That feeds21300:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.440into the fourth thing that I cameup with. What I do, anyway,21400:14:26.600 --> 00:14:31.320is trust by faith, not bysight. We are told the word21500:14:31.320 --> 00:14:33.759of God never returns void. Weare planting seats, we are speaking the21600:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.399word of God. Very briefly,I come from the perspective of being an21700:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.679atheist, agnostic at best, andthere were so many people that witness to21800:14:41.720 --> 00:14:48.320me early in my life and asa Nonbeliever, I remember making fun of21900:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.559them, taunting them, even sometimesto their face. I was downright nasty22000:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.320to some of them, but andsome of them I never knew. They22100:14:54.320 --> 00:14:58.840were strangers. But as I lookback, once I came to the Lord,22200:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.519every one of them, God bringsthem to my mind. I remember22300:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.679those faces, I remember those thingsthey said that I made fun of,22400:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.720and I didn't even know their name, but God does, and they were22500:15:09.759 --> 00:15:18.159planting seeds that did come to fruitionmany years later. Trust that we are22600:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.440doing the same. Yeah, God'sword never returns for it. Amen.22700:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.480Yeah. I think a fifth thingis to keep an eternal perspective. I22800:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.279think that is really important. Rememberwho wins, who wins? In the22900:15:31.360 --> 00:15:37.080end, everything will be made right, justice will be served, every wrong23000:15:37.279 --> 00:15:43.240righted. Everyone will basically give anaccounting for their life. And and Jesus23100:15:43.279 --> 00:15:46.600has the victory. He's had thevictory. Hates had the victory ever since23200:15:46.639 --> 00:15:52.000he rose from the grave and overcamedeath, proved he was Lord. Satan23300:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.320was defeated at that moment. Sowe know that God has the victory and23400:15:56.320 --> 00:16:02.080we need to cling to that perspective. Yeah, yeah, some, some23500:16:02.159 --> 00:16:04.159preachers have said, and I thinkit's good to say this, we are23600:16:04.240 --> 00:16:08.039battling from a place of victory.Yes, right, yes, we're already23700:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.720victorious. If you're in Christ,yeah, you get everything that he gets.23800:16:12.000 --> 00:16:18.039Yeah, and if you're in Christ, eternal victory is one right.23900:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.360You don't have to fight for yourown salvation, right, you don't have24000:16:21.440 --> 00:16:26.759to fight for favor with God.You're already in. and Jesus has already24100:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.960won the battle between the devil isthe devil still live and doing his thing24200:16:30.960 --> 00:16:36.519currently, but he knows his timeis up very soon and we're on Jesus24300:16:36.679 --> 00:16:40.639side. So we're winners, becauseJesus is the winner. We're victorious in24400:16:40.720 --> 00:16:44.039him. Now that doesn't mean welay down our you know, and go24500:16:44.120 --> 00:16:48.440eat chocolate cake and we are stillcalled to the battle until it has been24600:16:48.480 --> 00:16:53.120all played out. Yeah, butbating from a place of victory correct and24700:16:53.200 --> 00:16:56.720so and we know the ending,we know God wins. Thinks that we24800:16:56.759 --> 00:17:00.519can think about. Did you showup? Did you speak his truth?24900:17:00.519 --> 00:17:04.039Did you consuct yourself in a mathmanner worthy of the Lord? Are you25000:17:04.119 --> 00:17:11.880faithfully presenting Jesus as his ambassador?And if you've done those things, praise25100:17:11.960 --> 00:17:15.519God. Those those are all keepingan intern eternal perspective. The last thing,25200:17:15.519 --> 00:17:19.640and then we'll get into your littlescenario that you wanted to tell us,25300:17:19.880 --> 00:17:25.079is at when it's over, whenyou have finished with what you've been25400:17:25.119 --> 00:17:30.440doing on the sidewalk, brush offthe dust of that place and find something25500:17:30.440 --> 00:17:33.720where you abide in and recharge inthe Lord. Yeah, that you love,25600:17:33.720 --> 00:17:37.160something enjoyable. Maybe it's a you'rejust being with your family. For25700:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.839me, I've said this many times, it's it's being alone on the river25800:17:41.960 --> 00:17:49.240in my Kayak, but but dofind that thing that restores your your spirit,25900:17:49.279 --> 00:17:56.000your soul in God. Yeah,absolutely, so. So two things.26000:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.480Okay, that helped me and theytie into one another and I'll share26100:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.240this, these things with you,guys, and in my mind this is26200:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.799okay. The scenario is I'm leavingthe abortion center right I've just dealt with26300:18:07.839 --> 00:18:11.799the heaviness of seeing sixty people gointo the abortion center. I remember years26400:18:11.839 --> 00:18:17.440back on a Saturday when I wasout there volunteering, they would be sixty,26500:18:17.480 --> 00:18:21.440sometimes seventy five people. I rememberthose stays staring out on the street.26600:18:21.799 --> 00:18:23.720Parking lot was so full. Yeah, and that was heavy. And26700:18:23.759 --> 00:18:26.319then on top of that, ofcourse, you have pro abortion people yelling26800:18:26.359 --> 00:18:32.680at you and all kinds of falseaccusations and you are I remember seeing scenarios26900:18:32.680 --> 00:18:34.960where I saw a young girl,she had to been twelve, thirteen years27000:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.160old, her, I guess itwas her mom or grandma, whoever,27100:18:38.240 --> 00:18:42.240was driving her into the abortion centerand as she was pulling in, the27200:18:42.240 --> 00:18:47.799young lady got out of the backof the car and took off running and27300:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.000she obviously didn't want to have theabortion. And I've seen a couple of27400:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.920scenarios like that yeah, the grandmaof the Moma whatever, went after her27500:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.519in the car, got her inthe car. We called the police to27600:18:56.759 --> 00:19:02.240hey, this girl's being forced tohave an abortion. Police didn't do anything27700:19:02.240 --> 00:19:06.000either. They couldn't do anything orwhatever. I was heavy. So stuff27800:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.640like that. You've gotten cussed outby someone. You just trying to offer27900:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.920him help and they're cussing you outand they're accusing you all these things.28000:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.400Again, the pro abortion people areaccusing you of all kinds of things,28100:19:15.519 --> 00:19:21.559right, and that's stuff. Sometimesit'll kind of stick to you don't even28200:19:21.559 --> 00:19:23.880realize it, it'll kind of stickto your psyche. Right, it'll start28300:19:23.960 --> 00:19:27.759to if you're not careful, thesefalse accusations and the things that people say28400:19:27.799 --> 00:19:32.720about you. Um, you knowabout you, Ikey, Vicki, Vicki.28500:19:32.920 --> 00:19:37.440Yeah, they call me little Dchrhyind. You know, these people,28600:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.440these pro abortion people, are reallyjust bullies that when they were in28700:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.119school it wasn't really socially acceptable tobully people and now it is because we're28800:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.279in opposition to them. So they'rejust bullying people and all of that.28900:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.599And you think what doesn't really affectme, and for the most part,29000:19:52.640 --> 00:19:55.839if you been out there for longenough, it really doesn't, because you've29100:19:55.920 --> 00:19:57.599learned to kind of not take itpersonal and not, you know, kind29200:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.799of pray these things off of you. But still, these things can stick29300:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.000to you you don't realize and theystart to define you and they start you29400:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.680start to think, okay, amI actually like that? Am I actually29500:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.319harassing people? I don't think Iam. I'm not trying to harass you29600:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.799know, these things will kind ofstick in your psyche, yeah, and29700:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.720start to weigh you down. Andso one of the things that I do,29800:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.519and I tried to be conscious aboutthis, especially if I've had some29900:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.799kind of heated thing happen at theabortion center, somebody yelling at in my30000:20:26.799 --> 00:20:30.240face or threatened me or whatever itmight be, is what I'm leaving the30100:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.759abortion center. I do something calleddebriefing with Jesus, okay, and this30200:20:33.880 --> 00:20:38.559is me praying back to the Lordthe things the Bible says again, the30300:20:38.559 --> 00:20:41.000eye of the Lord is in everyplace. He sees everything. He knew30400:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.680it all, he knew it beforeit was going to take place. Right,30500:20:44.920 --> 00:20:47.599but it does help you to getit out of your psyche, out30600:20:47.599 --> 00:20:49.480of your mind, out of yourheart and kind of cast your cares on30700:20:49.559 --> 00:20:52.799the Lord to pray it back tothe Lord. Lord, you hear,30800:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.799you saw that person come at meand threaten me. You heard what they30900:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.720accused me of, Lord, andI just want to bring it before you31000:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.400got so I'll just be kind ofrehearsing what happened, if especially if it's31100:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.799an intense situation, and just debriefit with the Lord. And even if31200:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.559there's some things I need to repentof, because sometimes there are. The31300:21:10.960 --> 00:21:12.599Devil can really get you on that. If you got in the flesh or31400:21:12.680 --> 00:21:17.480something. Listen, just because yougot in the flesh and you responded in31500:21:17.480 --> 00:21:21.039a way maybe you shouldn't have responded. Maybe you responded, you snapped back31600:21:21.079 --> 00:21:23.839at somebody. That does not disqualifyyou for being on the sidewalk. Let31700:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.400me just say that. Okay,but you might need to repent before the31800:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.799Lord. Just just bring it tothe Lord and you can do that.31900:21:32.240 --> 00:21:34.039And so that's one thing. Debriefingwith Jesus, that's a good one.32000:21:34.319 --> 00:21:38.400Yeah, but this is kind oftaken it to the next step, to32100:21:38.480 --> 00:21:44.039the next level, I guess.And and this is really a powerful thing,32200:21:44.079 --> 00:21:49.319and I call it this is kindof how I encourage people asking Jesus32300:21:49.359 --> 00:21:53.880to wash your feet. HMM.And it comes out of John Chapter Thirteen,32400:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.640and I can there's a whole liketeaching I can do with this,32500:21:57.680 --> 00:22:00.839but I won't go into all ofthat. But kind of the picture is32600:22:00.880 --> 00:22:07.160one of Barnacles. Ships. They'rein water, sea water. By virtue32700:22:07.160 --> 00:22:10.839of the fact that they're in water, they get these barnacles on them and32800:22:10.880 --> 00:22:15.200these barnacles calls drag on the ship. Actually it costs us about fifty million32900:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.400dollars a year in the United Statesof America to deal with Barnacles and also33000:22:18.599 --> 00:22:25.240the fuel inefficiency on our navel shipsthat barnacles calls. So there's barnacles has33100:22:25.279 --> 00:22:27.359to be removed so that that shipcan the glide through the water like it33200:22:27.400 --> 00:22:33.440needs to. Great symbolism lot that. Yeah, and so the barnacles need33300:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.279to be removed or they'll cause drag. They just not the chips not doing33400:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.799anything wrong. It's where it's supposedto be. It's in the water on33500:22:40.839 --> 00:22:42.359the sidewalk. We're not doing anythingwrong. We're doing what God's called us33600:22:42.400 --> 00:22:47.279to just by virtue of the factthat we're on the sidewalk, just living33700:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.319in a sinful world. It's goingto be barnacles that attach themselves to us.33800:22:49.400 --> 00:22:53.880Yeah, I think Jesus gives theexample of dirty feet here in John33900:22:53.960 --> 00:22:57.759Chapter Thirteen. So, John ChapterThirteen, the disciples are in the upper34000:22:57.839 --> 00:23:03.000room with Jesus. Jesus gets abasin and a towel and begins to wash34100:23:03.039 --> 00:23:04.799their feet. We all know thescenario, right. This is during the34200:23:04.799 --> 00:23:10.079the Last Supper here and John ChapterThirteen, and he comes to Peter and34300:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.359Peter says you're not going to washme right, you're not washing my feet34400:23:12.359 --> 00:23:15.599because after I should be washing yourfeet. That's kind of what what peters34500:23:15.640 --> 00:23:21.920implying here. And Jesus says andJohn Chapter Thirteen, verse eight, he34600:23:21.920 --> 00:23:23.559says, if I do not washyou, you have no part with me.34700:23:23.960 --> 00:23:26.759Well, Peter, in his zeal, says, okay, Lord,34800:23:26.799 --> 00:23:29.240not my feet, then everything justokay. I want to have a part34900:23:29.279 --> 00:23:30.519with you, like Lauren. Iwant to I'm going to serve you,35000:23:30.519 --> 00:23:34.039want to follow you. Right.And he says in verse ten, he35100:23:34.039 --> 00:23:37.440says he was bathed, needs onlyto wash his feet, but it's completely35200:23:37.480 --> 00:23:41.920clean. You're clean, but notall of you. And so he's talking.35300:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.880I want to shift gears too much. He's talking about his betrayer,35400:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.319so about Judas is not clean.But he's saying in essence, guys,35500:23:51.359 --> 00:23:56.119you're clean because you're my disciples,like you're clean from the sin of the35600:23:56.119 --> 00:24:00.759world, like you've been washed.Hey, he's talking about ultimately, his35700:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.720sacrifice on the cross and what that'sgoing to do to take care of the35800:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.319problem of sin. But he's sayingwe don't need to be cleaned the whole35900:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.000of you. Listen, believer inJesus, follower of Jesus, under daughter36000:24:11.039 --> 00:24:15.240of God, you're already clean.You're washed in the blood of Jesus because36100:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.480of your faith in him. Butsometimes you need to have your feet washed.36200:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.599Sometimes you need some maintenance to happen. Just like that ship. It36300:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.039needs some maintenance, needs to barnaclesremoved. Sometimes, just by virtue of36400:24:26.079 --> 00:24:30.799the fact that you're walking through adirty, dusty, sinful world, you36500:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.079get stuff on your feet, right, that's the picture here. You can36600:24:33.079 --> 00:24:37.240take a bath in those days andjust walking from the place where you took36700:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.000your bath to the house you're goingto get dirt on your feet because they36800:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.079didn't have paved roads and gravel andall that stuff. Right. So just36900:24:44.119 --> 00:24:47.480by virtue of the fact that you'rewalking in the world, just by virtue37000:24:47.480 --> 00:24:48.440of the fact that you're on thesidewalk, you're going to get barnacles,37100:24:48.440 --> 00:24:52.279you're going to get dirt, sin, stuff's going to stick to you,37200:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.400stuff that other people say, stuffthat other people do. It's going to37300:24:56.440 --> 00:24:59.799stick to you and and start totry to define you and weigh you down.37400:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.559And so what I've learned to dois to sit before the Lord and,37500:25:03.599 --> 00:25:10.279just like Jesus, remember in thispassage Jesus not only washed John and37600:25:10.400 --> 00:25:14.799James and Peter's feet, but healso washed the feet of Judas. It37700:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.799is straight right. Yeah, ifhe would wash Judas feet, who betrayed37800:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.720him, how much more would hewash your feet, as you're serving him,37900:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.599as you're doing the best you canto love and serve Jesus and serve38000:25:26.640 --> 00:25:32.160people and Love Them? And sowhat I do is I get along and38100:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.880I sit in a chair and Ijust say, Lord, would you please38200:25:34.920 --> 00:25:38.319just wash my feet, and Imight I might voice some of those things38300:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.039that, you know, kind ofstuck in my mind. I'll ask the38400:25:41.079 --> 00:25:45.200Lord, like Lord, bring anythingto my mind that I've let stick to38500:25:45.240 --> 00:25:51.920me that's defining me circumstances, people'sopinions, false ideas, these things.38600:25:51.920 --> 00:25:53.920Like bring anything to mine and I'lljust bring those things before the Lord in38700:25:55.000 --> 00:25:59.279prayer and I'll just say, LordJesus, would you just come and would38800:25:59.279 --> 00:26:02.680you wash my feet? Would youwash the stuff off of me? Lord,38900:26:02.720 --> 00:26:04.519if there's anything I need to repentof, Lord, I repent right39000:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.920now. If he brings it tomy just repent of it. Be Specific,39100:26:08.200 --> 00:26:11.720but also if there's anything that's definedme, Lord, would you wash39200:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.480my feet, and I'd actually literallydo put my feet out in front of39300:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.720me and I just imagine. Godhas given us an imagination, air and39400:26:18.279 --> 00:26:22.799not. I don't have the basementand and a towel. I let the39500:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.839Lord bring those things, okay,but I use my imagination. The imagination39600:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.319is a powerful thing and it's aGod given thing and we can imagine,39700:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.480Jesus, and I believe there's aspiritual sense, and let me not get39800:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.519cooky and weird here, guys,but there's a spiritual sense in which the39900:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.400Lord does that, like he graciouslyremoves that stuff from my mind. Yeah,40000:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.359and I feel a weight lifted fromme. I feel like you know40100:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.480that ship, you can imagine thatship that's had the barnacle scraped off of40200:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.839it and now it's it's smoothly glidingthrough the water. Right, you're ready40300:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.119to go at it again the nextyeah, with that person has this build40400:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.240up of cake mud on their feetand they don't know what's dragging them down,40500:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.279but in reality it's like that's thatmud. Yeah, and the Lord40600:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.160just comes and washes that stuff off. Yeah, and I believe the Lord40700:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.680will do that. So I don'tencourage all of you guys, if you've40800:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.000never done that. I want youto do that. I want encourage you.40900:27:14.079 --> 00:27:18.400Just get before the Lord in quietnessalone and just let the Lord bring41000:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.279those things to mind that may havestuck to you, and just bring it41100:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.000to your mind and just imagine Jesuswashing that thing off of your feet.41200:27:26.119 --> 00:27:30.519Yeah, yeah, and then dothis on a regular basis, I would41300:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.559say. Even let me ask youbecause, as yours talking, I'm thinking41400:27:33.640 --> 00:27:37.400so much of what these people expressedto me was it was sorrow. It41500:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.559wasn't so much the attack and thedirt, it was the sorrow. And41600:27:41.720 --> 00:27:47.240I was thinking when you said anger, I forget what you said. Will41700:27:47.279 --> 00:27:51.039never be a motivate or it willneither will sorrow. Right, sorrow will41800:27:51.079 --> 00:27:55.240not be what will motivate you tokeep coming back. Joy Will. Yeah,41900:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.359joy in the Lord, and there'smany verses about joying the Lord.42000:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.640But would you do that in yourfeet washing thing would you say? Would42100:28:00.680 --> 00:28:06.960you say please wash away even thesorrow? Yeah, yeah, I mean42200:28:07.000 --> 00:28:10.960when I'm debriefing with the Lord orwhen I'm doing this before the Lord,42300:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.960I'll say things like God, yousaw that young lady walk in and her42400:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.880heart was broken. Yeah, thefact that she was going to take the42500:28:17.920 --> 00:28:18.920life of her child and she thoughtthere was no hope. You know,42600:28:19.000 --> 00:28:23.079you saw this, you saw that, all of that stuff, anything that42700:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.200kind of wighs you down, itcould be sorrow of what other people are42800:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.400doing to themselves or they're doing toothers, what's been done to you.42900:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.000So, yeah, just not notjust stuff that's been done to you,43000:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.000but stuff that you've seen. It'slike, yeah, at the end of43100:28:36.039 --> 00:28:41.039the day, if we carry aload of guilt or sorrow with us from43200:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.519circumstances that we have no control over, that stuff will weigh us down.43300:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.839Right, you don't have control overother people and what they do, and43400:28:49.920 --> 00:28:56.640so we've got to just bring thosethings to Jesus to wash off of us43500:28:56.640 --> 00:28:59.519so that those things don't weigh usdown. That's the point. Yeah,43600:28:59.640 --> 00:29:06.640sorrow, shame, guilt, anger, failures, victories, all of that43700:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.200stuff. We've got to bring itto the Lord to ask him to wash43800:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.720us, and I believe you'll doit. Yeah, that's good, Daniel.43900:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.160Yeah, Great. So, guys, hopefully this episode was a blessing44000:29:17.200 --> 00:29:18.799to you, guys, and weencourage you to share this episode with who44100:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.559are, whoever else you think itwould be a blessing to. We also44200:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.039encourage you to reach out to us. Maybe there's other subjects that you would44300:29:26.039 --> 00:29:27.759like for us to cover. We'dlove to cover those subjects. You can44400:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.599reach me, Daniel, at LoveLife Dot Org. You can reach her,44500:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.680Vicki, with a why I lovelife dot Org. Also leave us44600:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.200a review. If you're able todo that, that would be a tremendous44700:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.640blessing to us. But until nexttime, God bless God. That's you44800:29:40.720 --> 00:29:56.000all. Our love for love.Give me our love for gratitude. I44900:29:56.279 --> 00:30:06.119know it will cost me my love, if nothing's too precious. Since I45000:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.319met you,













