Is It Pro-life To Use Birth Control?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.869 Lord, I am Your Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. This 3 00:00:11.029 --> 00:00:14.390 episode we're going to look at the subject of birth control from a biblical and 4 00:00:14.669 --> 00:00:18.789 from a pro life perspective. This is a very controversial but important subject, 5 00:00:18.829 --> 00:00:32.060 so stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. 6 00:00:35.460 --> 00:00:39.450 Welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcasts. We appreciate you guys listening 7 00:00:39.770 --> 00:00:43.049 and, as always, we appreciate you guys sharing this podcast. We hope 8 00:00:43.130 --> 00:00:46.210 it is an encouragement to you guys, but also we want it to be 9 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:52.240 an encouragement to other people. The goal is to equip people and to help 10 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:56.600 people think through from a Biblical perspective, from a Gospel Center perspective, a 11 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.359 lot of the issues that have to do with pro life stuff, with the 12 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.150 main focus on sidewalk counseling, because that's what we do, sidewalk outreach, 13 00:01:04.829 --> 00:01:08.790 ministering to men and women at the local abortion centers. That's our heart, 14 00:01:08.950 --> 00:01:12.069 that's what God has called us to and that's what we want to equip you 15 00:01:12.109 --> 00:01:15.230 guys to do, and that's what these podcasts are centered around, even though 16 00:01:15.269 --> 00:01:19.700 not every time we cover a subject. Does that have to do with sidewalks? 17 00:01:19.659 --> 00:01:23.099 The reality is, though, the conversation probably started on the sidewalks, 18 00:01:23.140 --> 00:01:26.579 as you and I are out there and you know, we have conversations with 19 00:01:26.659 --> 00:01:30.459 each other and we have conversation with our other counselors that are out there. 20 00:01:32.019 --> 00:01:34.049 Things come up, they might have a question about their hey, can you 21 00:01:34.090 --> 00:01:38.489 guys do a podcast or we think that? So podcast about that, because 22 00:01:38.530 --> 00:01:42.170 a lot of our topics ared the the desire to remain consistent. Yeah, 23 00:01:42.209 --> 00:01:46.329 and in what we think, say and believe. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 24 00:01:46.370 --> 00:01:49.879 Yeah, so we we put subjects out there that we think will equip 25 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.959 people and answer questions that we see come up often times. And I know 26 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.079 we did a couple of weeks ago a podcast about how to deal with people 27 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.790 who are coming to the abortion center, mainly plan parenthood, who well, 28 00:02:02.870 --> 00:02:07.229 other abortion centers to who do other things other than abortion. The Abortion Center 29 00:02:07.270 --> 00:02:10.629 here on the troupe drive, they only do abortions, right, so we 30 00:02:10.750 --> 00:02:14.189 deal with people that are here for an abortion or have had an abortion, 31 00:02:14.270 --> 00:02:16.699 but there's other people that come to like plan parenthood and stuff, who are 32 00:02:16.740 --> 00:02:20.900 coming for I mean we talked about some of those things. Some are coming 33 00:02:20.939 --> 00:02:27.620 for like conversion therapy, right, this isn't the right term, or harm 34 00:02:27.699 --> 00:02:34.810 a hormone therapy for trans transitioning, yeah, into a different gender. Yeah, 35 00:02:34.889 --> 00:02:38.289 yeah, and they're people that come for various things, that Plant parenthood, 36 00:02:38.289 --> 00:02:43.050 and some of those people that we encounter the plant parent who'd come for 37 00:02:43.169 --> 00:02:46.879 birth control. And one of the questions that we have a lot from people 38 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:52.159 is should Christians be using birth control right? And I think I think we 39 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.520 have to say right off from the start that, you know, we're not 40 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:02.349 medical experts. Hmmm, and there is some controversy around this. It's not 41 00:03:02.590 --> 00:03:06.909 like it's a settled thing for some people to settled thing, like they've got 42 00:03:06.990 --> 00:03:10.509 it figured out. Christians should not use birth control at all. Some people 43 00:03:10.509 --> 00:03:14.819 would say who have it, they think have it figured out, would say 44 00:03:14.819 --> 00:03:17.300 Christians are okay using birth control. So I think we have to acknowledge that 45 00:03:17.780 --> 00:03:23.780 there is this tension and there's still some questions and we're going to talk about 46 00:03:23.020 --> 00:03:28.250 certain things again with the focus on equipping you guys at the abortion centers and 47 00:03:28.650 --> 00:03:31.729 you know, certainly, I think any subject that we approach, when we're 48 00:03:31.729 --> 00:03:38.650 talking about human life, we have to approach very carefully, very thoughtfully and, 49 00:03:38.810 --> 00:03:43.080 of course, very biblically. That's it, kind of the the angle 50 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.199 we're going to be coming from as it pertains to birth control. So we've 51 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:51.360 got, like we often do, an article that wonderful Vicki wrote here, 52 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.240 and there's certain premises that we're going to be talking about, just kind of 53 00:03:54.280 --> 00:04:00.590 going through these certain premises and we're going to talk around those biblically and then 54 00:04:00.550 --> 00:04:05.710 practically. And the first premise here is that human life is sacred, and 55 00:04:06.030 --> 00:04:09.550 I'll think that's going to be an argument for any of our people that are 56 00:04:09.590 --> 00:04:14.060 listening. Hey, human life is sacred, has a sacred value above and 57 00:04:14.180 --> 00:04:18.779 beyond animal life and all of that. Right, human beings are made in 58 00:04:18.819 --> 00:04:21.660 the image of God. Genesis one hundred and twenty seven, God created man 59 00:04:21.779 --> 00:04:25.889 in his own image and image of God. He created him male and female. 60 00:04:25.930 --> 00:04:30.250 He created them. Human beings are made in God's image and that, 61 00:04:30.529 --> 00:04:35.689 though, has to be the foundation when we're talking about birth control, right, 62 00:04:35.769 --> 00:04:40.720 when we're talking about bringing new lives into this world, when we're talking 63 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:45.120 about abortion. Of course, if human life was just like animal life, 64 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:47.439 then this debate would be null and void, right. Why are we in 65 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.519 having this conversation. Why do we stand in front of abortion centers? I 66 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:56.189 mean, certainly it's wrong to abuse animals, but we eat them, right, 67 00:04:56.310 --> 00:04:59.350 we eat them for dinner. Right, they didn't in the garden of 68 00:04:59.430 --> 00:05:02.430 eating until the fall. Correct. Yet kind of said I wish I'd been 69 00:05:02.509 --> 00:05:06.939 back to that time because I like animals. Like them to there's very tasty. 70 00:05:08.540 --> 00:05:11.420 Actually it's what Peter stands where. You know that right, people eating 71 00:05:11.500 --> 00:05:15.860 tasty animals. Yeah, but point is that animal life and human life is 72 00:05:15.980 --> 00:05:21.089 different. Yeah, well, animals in humans have some of the same characteristics, 73 00:05:21.569 --> 00:05:27.050 but human beings are the only creature that God had made in his own 74 00:05:27.329 --> 00:05:30.410 image. Should that's premise number one, and and the the Bible is clear. 75 00:05:30.490 --> 00:05:33.930 That shown a murder. So this premise is absolutely critical when we're talking 76 00:05:33.930 --> 00:05:41.639 about birth control, because are their forms of birth control that do indeed violate 77 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:48.360 this premise, that that they treat human life as not sacred because it destroys 78 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:54.110 human life. But you've got to be operating in this discussion from that just 79 00:05:54.509 --> 00:06:00.509 first most base Dick Truth. Human life is sacred because God created us in 80 00:06:00.750 --> 00:06:04.699 his image, and so when we're talking about birth control, there's basically two 81 00:06:04.740 --> 00:06:11.699 different kinds. There's kinds that that either are going to prevent the egg from 82 00:06:12.139 --> 00:06:16.579 being fertilized and so a human life is not yet created. Yeah, and 83 00:06:16.699 --> 00:06:23.370 then there's kinds that prevent that fertilized egg from implanting, yeah, or can 84 00:06:23.410 --> 00:06:27.810 actually destroy the fertilized egg, and in that case that's going to violate this 85 00:06:27.930 --> 00:06:30.930 first premise. Right. They those are what are called the board of fashioned 86 00:06:30.209 --> 00:06:34.600 yeah, and and those that because they cause an abortion, because any time 87 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:42.319 a fertilized egg is destroyed, that is a violation of that first premise. 88 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.680 Yeah, and that is of course. I mean, none of that would 89 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:48.870 even matter if we didn't believe that life begins at conception, right, and 90 00:06:49.509 --> 00:06:54.629 we certainly do write believe that life begins at conception. It's the only logical 91 00:06:54.709 --> 00:06:57.790 place for us to say that life begins. You know. Yet the some 92 00:06:57.910 --> 00:07:00.750 of the pro abortion people that will say, you know, life begins at 93 00:07:00.829 --> 00:07:05.180 birth, or life begins at when the brain function is at a certain level. 94 00:07:05.779 --> 00:07:10.980 You know, it's so all of all of that is just a subjective 95 00:07:11.220 --> 00:07:15.730 and there's really no solid from all of that, even like from birth. 96 00:07:15.850 --> 00:07:17.529 I mean you say, well, that's not a subject that's an objective time 97 00:07:18.290 --> 00:07:24.529 period that takes place. But you're trying to have me believe that five seconds 98 00:07:24.569 --> 00:07:27.970 before or birth it's not alive. That's ridiculous. And a child at the 99 00:07:28.050 --> 00:07:32.639 same age that's born early, dude, they are they less value because they 100 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.639 were born? Surely because the the time of birth wasn't they were developed for 101 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:41.160 forty four weeks, like in in a jumical birth. But that does lead 102 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:46.389 to the second premise, to yeah, unborn humans are loved by God from 103 00:07:46.910 --> 00:07:50.230 conception. So we believe that life begins at conception. Right again, I 104 00:07:50.269 --> 00:07:55.029 don't think there's any other logical plays where you could say this is when life 105 00:07:55.029 --> 00:07:59.860 begins, this is when a unique organism comes to being, except for conception. 106 00:07:59.899 --> 00:08:03.980 Right, right, and even biblical Bibly, I mean, because everything 107 00:08:03.220 --> 00:08:09.379 that we hopefully impart in our podcast is is based on biblical tree. Yeah, 108 00:08:09.899 --> 00:08:13.050 and so we see in the scripture that God is the one. In 109 00:08:13.050 --> 00:08:16.569 Jeremiah, chapter one, verse five, he says, before I formed you, 110 00:08:16.689 --> 00:08:20.810 I knew you and before you were born, I consecrated to your eyes, 111 00:08:20.889 --> 00:08:26.089 set you apart as a prophet to the nation's yeah, so Jeremiah was 112 00:08:26.250 --> 00:08:31.360 known by God and of course this scripture implies and says very, very specifically 113 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:33.399 that God is the one that formed him before I formed you. So who 114 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:39.000 formed him? God did. I knew you. So this even speaks of 115 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:41.789 and we're not going to go here, I don't think, per se, 116 00:08:43.070 --> 00:08:46.590 but the speaks of the knowledge of God before he was even conceived. It's 117 00:08:46.629 --> 00:08:50.590 like God knew him before he's even can see and get into a lot of 118 00:08:50.950 --> 00:08:56.779 theological depth as as it concerns that. Of course God knows the in from 119 00:08:56.779 --> 00:08:58.620 the beginning. God, it knows every life that comes to pass, and 120 00:08:58.779 --> 00:09:07.299 God certainly knew Jeremiah. But we do believe that human life is precious. 121 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:11.049 That's like the basic premise of being pro life or being against abortion. It's 122 00:09:11.169 --> 00:09:18.210 wrong because life begins at conception, in between conception and birth, there's life 123 00:09:18.330 --> 00:09:22.450 there. As a society we've said that life doesn't have value, but God's 124 00:09:22.450 --> 00:09:26.639 word says that it does. Yeah, when I was looking through this, 125 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:30.679 but I don't think I had ever really noticed this, but in Luke one 126 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:35.879 hundred and fifteen, he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in 127 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.549 his mother's womb. Yeah, that really struck me. I mean talk about 128 00:09:39.549 --> 00:09:45.110 the value that God has placed on the unboard child. He has already filled 129 00:09:45.269 --> 00:09:50.309 that that unborn child, with the Holy Spirit. Yeah. So I think 130 00:09:50.309 --> 00:09:58.299 there's really no doubt biblically that from conception that child is loved by God, 131 00:09:58.500 --> 00:10:01.899 known by God, created by God and therefore valued by God from from that 132 00:10:03.059 --> 00:10:07.059 moment of conception. Absolutely. And so, just kind of moving along our 133 00:10:07.139 --> 00:10:11.610 third premises, we are called to protect human life from the moment of conception. 134 00:10:11.690 --> 00:10:16.250 Yeah, and so that's why we stand in front of an abortion center. 135 00:10:16.330 --> 00:10:18.690 Yep. That's why we are calling out to the bombs that come over 136 00:10:18.769 --> 00:10:22.240 and receive literature and hell, that's what we're pleading with him not to go 137 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.840 in that place. Not because we think that what goes on there is just 138 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:33.519 a bad idea or just a bad medical procedure. Mean, certainly those places 139 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.669 are not safe, but it's more than just a medical procedure that takes place. 140 00:10:37.710 --> 00:10:43.350 A human life is destroyed and we are called to protect human life. 141 00:10:43.509 --> 00:10:46.750 Right. Lots of verses that that. That tell us that one of the 142 00:10:46.070 --> 00:10:52.179 the when, again, when I was looking through researching this article again, 143 00:10:52.220 --> 00:10:54.940 I had never really noticed this, but in in the verse where talks about 144 00:10:56.179 --> 00:11:01.659 how the angel speaks to Mary, says that she has conceived through the Holy 145 00:11:01.700 --> 00:11:05.330 Spirit. And then it says right after she hurries to her cousin Elizabeth. 146 00:11:05.370 --> 00:11:13.090 So this is presumably immediately after the conception of Jesus of the baby in her 147 00:11:13.169 --> 00:11:20.279 womb and as she hurries immediately. So this is a newly conceived baby in 148 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.360 her womb, right, unless I'm misreading no, and and the the baby 149 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:30.960 and Elizabeth's womb leaps for joy. So there's there's two babies here, one 150 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.149 who is leaping for joy in the womb, which is very telling, but 151 00:11:35.549 --> 00:11:43.509 recognizing already the specialness of that other baby in the womb who is newly conceived. 152 00:11:43.789 --> 00:11:48.340 and to me I think that's an argument for again that from conception that 153 00:11:48.379 --> 00:11:56.059 that child is is honored and loved and valued by God. Yeah, yeah, 154 00:11:56.379 --> 00:12:01.379 absolutely, and I just to piggyback on that. If you're looking at 155 00:12:01.379 --> 00:12:05.049 those terms in the Greek, you look at and Luke chapter one, especially 156 00:12:05.809 --> 00:12:09.690 where it talks about the baby leapt in her womb, and Luke chapter one 157 00:12:09.809 --> 00:12:13.330 talking about about John The baptist. The word there's breathos, right, so 158 00:12:13.450 --> 00:12:18.240 that's a Greek word referring to an infant. So yeah, later on when 159 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.960 it talks about Mary Holding Jesus. After Jesus is born, that same word 160 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.360 is used. Yeah, breathos. It's the same, same word. So, 161 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.710 biblically, by the Holy Spirit, Luke is recording, the baby in 162 00:12:31.750 --> 00:12:35.509 the womb is breathos, right, a baby, a life that's conceived. 163 00:12:35.870 --> 00:12:39.309 Yeah, and then the baby outside of the womb, referring to Jesus, 164 00:12:39.429 --> 00:12:43.149 is breathos, yeah, an infant. Yeah, and words matter. They 165 00:12:43.230 --> 00:12:46.139 didn't, and certainly to God and the words that he chooses and or inspires 166 00:12:46.259 --> 00:12:50.100 the writers in the bike. Yeah, I mean they'll say there were likely 167 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:52.620 words available, and it's kind of like you know, nowadays we referred to 168 00:12:52.620 --> 00:12:58.019 a baby in the womb as a fetus. Medically that an infant is after 169 00:12:58.100 --> 00:13:03.090 it's born, but generally we just referred to it as a baby rights, 170 00:13:03.129 --> 00:13:05.570 the general term that we use. If it's wanted, that's what we refer 171 00:13:05.690 --> 00:13:09.009 to it as. For sure. Yeah, there are certainly words they could 172 00:13:09.009 --> 00:13:13.519 have used in Greek that would have been different than Breathos, but they chose 173 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.279 that because it's the same as a baby inside the whims the same as a 174 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.240 baby outside of the womb, except for a few different things that are going 175 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.399 on there. Right in the development of that job. But as far as 176 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.870 value, yeah, as far as personhood, it's the same. Yeah, 177 00:13:26.870 --> 00:13:30.190 we believe that. Yeah. So we've kind of built a case up to 178 00:13:30.230 --> 00:13:33.230 this point that, okay, the the baby is a baby, is a 179 00:13:33.309 --> 00:13:37.549 human being from the moment of conception, is valued from the moment of conception 180 00:13:37.750 --> 00:13:41.179 and is worthy of our protection. Yeah, from the moment of conception. 181 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:46.460 And that all leads kind of to the fourth premise where we begin to really 182 00:13:46.500 --> 00:13:50.299 discuss then. Well, so, what about birth control? Yeah, should 183 00:13:50.299 --> 00:13:52.980 be our concerns with me. Yeah. Yeah. So premise some before is 184 00:13:54.019 --> 00:13:58.090 if we know birth control methods or a board of Facian, we should not 185 00:13:58.289 --> 00:14:01.450 use them. Yeah, and acknowledging, like we did at the beginning of 186 00:14:01.529 --> 00:14:07.970 this podcast, that there's some ambiguity there. There's some birth control methods that 187 00:14:07.450 --> 00:14:13.879 some doctors say could be and some doctors are saying they aren't probably aren't right. 188 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.720 So we're going to talk around that a little bit. Yeah, but 189 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.440 the Ambi you guys to do your own research. The ambiguity is not that 190 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.190 we should go ahead and use it if it's a board of fashioned. Yeah, 191 00:14:24.309 --> 00:14:28.750 there's no ambiguity biblically, if it is an a board of fashion. 192 00:14:28.750 --> 00:14:33.669 If it kills a developing human being, then we've kind of laid the groundwork. 193 00:14:35.269 --> 00:14:39.259 We shouldn't use it. So it behooves every Christian to understand that, 194 00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:45.259 right. Yeah, which which birth control methods are acknowledged as a board of 195 00:14:45.259 --> 00:14:46.539 fashioned and which? I'm not charmed saying that right, by the way, 196 00:14:46.539 --> 00:14:50.379 it might be facient, I'm not sure. But which are and which are 197 00:14:50.419 --> 00:14:54.570 not? And and if, if we love the Lord, we should try 198 00:14:54.610 --> 00:15:01.169 to abide by not using those that we can pretty conclusively say are a Board 199 00:15:01.210 --> 00:15:05.250 of fashion. Yeah, and full disclosure, I'll share a little bit of 200 00:15:05.330 --> 00:15:09.480 my story. Okay, is that for a while, me and my wife, 201 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.159 we did use birth control. We used hormonal birth control, for this 202 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.960 was after we were Christians, after we were married. Yeah, and really 203 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.389 just because it's it's like it's what you do, right. Everybody does. 204 00:15:22.470 --> 00:15:26.110 The help your exact doesn't no one talks at all about it being possibly causing 205 00:15:26.149 --> 00:15:30.590 abortions. Yeah, you really have to dig to find that information. Yeah, 206 00:15:30.789 --> 00:15:33.629 absolutely, and so we used it and I'm just figured it's what everybody 207 00:15:33.750 --> 00:15:37.580 does. And you know, as the Lord Begin to work on me a 208 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:43.779 little more, because if you think about it. The reasoning behind that is 209 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.220 really unbiblical reasoning. I'm not gonna not going to do this, probably for 210 00:15:48.259 --> 00:15:50.929 a whole other podcast. It could be a whole other podcast I talk about, 211 00:15:52.009 --> 00:15:56.529 but what you came to. So the Bible lays out a very clear 212 00:15:56.929 --> 00:16:03.210 case that children are blessing right, that we should view children as a blessing. 213 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:08.399 And this whole idea of you know, to and no more, right, 214 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.679 two kids and no more, this comes from the world. This comes 215 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.960 from the world's view of children. The children are just a bless our children 216 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.389 are just a birding burden, not a blessing. That the getting the way 217 00:16:18.429 --> 00:16:22.470 if you, you know, having your new house and your two new cars 218 00:16:22.509 --> 00:16:26.029 in the driveway and mom and dad able to go out on you know, 219 00:16:26.230 --> 00:16:30.710 on the town or whatever. And so the motivation for limiting our families a 220 00:16:30.750 --> 00:16:36.460 lot of times is a selfish one. If we examine it honestly, right, 221 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:38.860 and it's not a biblical understanding the blessing that children are. The Bible 222 00:16:38.899 --> 00:16:42.539 says in some one and twenty seven children are a blessing from the Lord. 223 00:16:44.019 --> 00:16:48.090 In the Hebrew mindset it was a blessing to have children. You would be 224 00:16:48.330 --> 00:16:52.370 cursed. You think about Rachel, who cried out to Jacob and said give 225 00:16:52.409 --> 00:16:56.929 me children or I die. Yeah, like she wanted to have children, 226 00:16:56.049 --> 00:17:00.129 she wanted now, she said desperate. She went through her servant, her 227 00:17:00.210 --> 00:17:04.039 maid servants right to have children at first year. Is that someone else? 228 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:08.599 And the patriarch spected. Yeah, yeah, and so children are to be 229 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.119 received as a blessing. It would be received as a curse. Now, 230 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.640 I don't mean to say that people that can't have children are cursed. I'm 231 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.750 not. I don't exactly agree with that, but biblically, if you didn't 232 00:17:19.750 --> 00:17:23.990 have children, they were something wrong. Right. Nowadays, if you have 233 00:17:25.230 --> 00:17:27.509 too many children, according to say are quotes, too many children AC cording 234 00:17:27.509 --> 00:17:30.940 to the eyes of the world, and somehow you're weird and you're strange, 235 00:17:32.380 --> 00:17:36.579 which is a complete contradiction and the kind of turning things upside down according to 236 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:40.299 what the Bible's motivation is. Yeah, children are a blessing. We've got 237 00:17:40.339 --> 00:17:44.450 eight kids. I remember back whenever we had for people would look at US 238 00:17:44.450 --> 00:17:45.650 funny and think, don't you know an they always say, don't you know 239 00:17:45.690 --> 00:17:48.410 what causes that? Right, so, yeah, causes that. I never 240 00:17:48.490 --> 00:17:53.970 heard that one before. So I think this understanding, this biblical understanding, 241 00:17:55.049 --> 00:17:59.039 ultimately is what got ahold of me. And then I dug a little deeper 242 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:03.599 in the birth control stuff and just discovered that some of the hormonal birth control 243 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:10.839 actually could potentially be a board of facient. Right, it could be taken 244 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.670 babies who are conceived and and causing them to be flushed out of my wife's 245 00:18:15.710 --> 00:18:18.509 body and, yeah, and to be ultimately killed, right, yeah, 246 00:18:19.269 --> 00:18:23.309 and I remember repenting before the Lord for that and it took some time before 247 00:18:23.349 --> 00:18:27.859 I realized what this birth control stuff could potentially do. And so, as 248 00:18:27.980 --> 00:18:32.259 for me and my house, we said we're not using that stuff. Yeah, 249 00:18:32.740 --> 00:18:37.740 because if even if it's possible, if it's even possible, that a 250 00:18:37.779 --> 00:18:41.650 baby is being killed, then I don't want to have any part in that. 251 00:18:41.730 --> 00:18:44.569 And so I think, guys, is we're going through this. You 252 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:47.210 know, I don't want to come down heavy, I don't want to bring 253 00:18:47.809 --> 00:18:52.369 condemnation to people sharing what God did in my heart, but also, listen, 254 00:18:52.450 --> 00:18:56.319 guys, we do need to be very careful about what we're involving ourselves 255 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:00.440 in, the mentalities that we embrace and the stuff that we use, because 256 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.559 I do believe that's what we need to be thinking in our minds as it 257 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.079 concerns birth controls, like okay, is we're talking through in these different ones, 258 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.670 who may or may not write destroy a fertilized egg, a child that 259 00:19:11.869 --> 00:19:15.190 is conceived. If we believe that life begins a conception and there's something that 260 00:19:15.910 --> 00:19:21.190 it may or it may not, I think when in doubt, you stay 261 00:19:21.230 --> 00:19:23.859 away from that stuff. I would agree are on the side of caution in 262 00:19:25.099 --> 00:19:27.940 that, because to end it, even inadvertently, take a human life, 263 00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:32.740 would be wrong. Yes, wrong for God. So we have a list 264 00:19:33.220 --> 00:19:36.500 which I a lot of people just want to know that. They have asked 265 00:19:36.660 --> 00:19:38.529 us which ones are okay, which ones are not. In like you said, 266 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.930 and we do post the two articles that this these lists are based on 267 00:19:42.970 --> 00:19:51.849 on our sidewalks for life and also where we post the podcast. But in 268 00:19:52.369 --> 00:19:56.160 both articles they are very honest that there is controversy. Yeah, they also 269 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:02.920 point out that they tried recently to research this list and to find out was 270 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.430 there a more definitive proof of whether they were a board of fashion or not, 271 00:20:07.750 --> 00:20:11.069 and said in a decade there's been very little definitive research, which is, 272 00:20:11.150 --> 00:20:12.990 yeah, kind of strange. You would think they would want to answer 273 00:20:14.029 --> 00:20:17.069 that question. But again, we're in a pro death culture, yeah, 274 00:20:17.470 --> 00:20:22.619 a pro abortion culture, and it is not a burning issue. Yeah, 275 00:20:22.819 --> 00:20:29.579 in our society. Yeah, kind of been accepted as normative. And Hey, 276 00:20:30.339 --> 00:20:33.740 who's to say it kills a child or not? WHO's the judge? 277 00:20:33.779 --> 00:20:36.730 And why should we dig any deeper into it? Right, yeah, because 278 00:20:36.730 --> 00:20:40.849 we're, like you said, we're in a prodeath culture. Yeah, and 279 00:20:41.369 --> 00:20:45.130 culture that views children is only burdens rather than blessing. Right. Yes, 280 00:20:45.329 --> 00:20:51.200 is a contradiction according to the word of God. So oral contraceptives. These 281 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:56.079 are the aboard of Fashions. So oral contraceptives, which are probably the most 282 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.519 commonly used birth control everywhere. So that that would be birth control pills, 283 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:08.750 and there are some that are considered clearly aboard of fashioned and some that there's 284 00:21:08.789 --> 00:21:15.390 some question about. Yeah. So, in either case, the birth control 285 00:21:15.509 --> 00:21:19.579 pills are iffy for a Christian use if you're truly going to be trying to 286 00:21:19.619 --> 00:21:26.660 follow God's very clear and strict standard of the value of life. IUDs, 287 00:21:26.059 --> 00:21:30.660 both copper and hormonal. I don't know what a hormonal IUD is. I'm 288 00:21:30.700 --> 00:21:36.769 not sure I understand that, but the article said that both of those are 289 00:21:36.809 --> 00:21:41.410 aboard of fashioned and that one there's a lot of evidence. There's also evidence 290 00:21:41.730 --> 00:21:47.640 in all of these things which so makes sense with God's commands, are always 291 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:53.359 protective, and in both birth control pills and in the IUD there are risks 292 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:57.960 and they're not insignificant. True to the mom stroke, blood clots with the 293 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:03.549 IUD, actually with both of them, increased risk of ectopic pregnancy. So 294 00:22:03.670 --> 00:22:11.309 there's dangers with these. We these birth control methods. Be The hormonal. 295 00:22:11.430 --> 00:22:15.630 All of really the hormonal birth control. So that would include the hormonal patches, 296 00:22:15.740 --> 00:22:21.180 hormonal shot, hormonal implants, hormonal vaginal rings. And I get this 297 00:22:21.380 --> 00:22:25.859 question a lot. Plan Be. Yeah, plan be. Someone just asked 298 00:22:25.859 --> 00:22:30.369 me as plan be the abortion pill. No, it's not, but it 299 00:22:30.569 --> 00:22:33.210 is what used after rape or after unprotected sex. I think it has to 300 00:22:33.289 --> 00:22:37.450 be used within twenty four hours. Yeah, I'm not really sure about that, 301 00:22:37.890 --> 00:22:44.089 but it's the emergency contraceptive. Yeah, and there, there again. 302 00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:49.319 There's some controversy over that, but some experts and some of the research does 303 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.920 indicate that it could cause an abortion. Yeah, yeah, and I want 304 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:57.670 to kind of maybe give a little qualifier here. Okay, because there is 305 00:22:59.750 --> 00:23:03.509 some ambiguity right, is some. There's some research that says yeah, it's 306 00:23:03.549 --> 00:23:08.430 some that says nay. So just like you could say, could plan be 307 00:23:08.589 --> 00:23:14.779 potentially kill a fertilized egg, kill a conceived child? Yes, it could, 308 00:23:15.819 --> 00:23:18.339 but that doesn't mean it always does. Right. In fact, the 309 00:23:18.380 --> 00:23:21.779 vast majority of time they feel it doesn't. Right. Yeah, in the 310 00:23:21.819 --> 00:23:23.539 same way because from what I understand, you correct me if I'm wrong, 311 00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:27.329 but it's basically just a bunch of birth control, right. The plan B 312 00:23:27.529 --> 00:23:32.289 is just a concentrated amount of birth control. Yeah, in a big dose. 313 00:23:32.490 --> 00:23:34.849 Yeah, but one time by loose or one or two type those. 314 00:23:36.569 --> 00:23:38.490 And so in the same way with a with birth control pills. Yeah, 315 00:23:38.690 --> 00:23:45.960 it could. It's possible that it could abort weren't a conceived child, but 316 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:52.079 it's not absolutely, absolutely always going to, or can you absolutely prove that 317 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.349 it has? So you know from my situation that I shared, my wife 318 00:23:56.390 --> 00:24:00.150 took birth control for a couple of years. Yeah, I have no idea 319 00:24:00.349 --> 00:24:03.029 whether or not there were conceived children, right, that were ultimately aborted. 320 00:24:03.230 --> 00:24:06.710 I don't know, right. Right. So I'm not going to bear a 321 00:24:06.750 --> 00:24:10.539 bunch of guilt for myself because I didn't know what I didn't know, but 322 00:24:10.660 --> 00:24:12.660 now that I do know. Yes, sustain away from that. Yeah, 323 00:24:12.700 --> 00:24:17.140 I don't even want to touch it. Yeah, and I think that's a 324 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:21.059 really important point. is in all these things, we're not the MOM and 325 00:24:21.099 --> 00:24:25.210 dad of all of our listeners and we can we can't force them to or 326 00:24:25.369 --> 00:24:27.369 nor do we want to force them to make a choice. That choice has 327 00:24:27.410 --> 00:24:32.490 to be between you and God. But we're just giving the evidence as as 328 00:24:32.609 --> 00:24:36.730 we know it and we strongly recommend that people research for themselves and really get 329 00:24:36.769 --> 00:24:41.640 before the Lord and absolutely he would convict them. There are non aboard of 330 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:47.839 fashioned methods of birth control. Those would definitely be the preferred method, so 331 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:52.720 that that would include male and female condoms, vaginal sponge, sperm acide, 332 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.269 those are all non aboard of fashion, and so they're there that they're called 333 00:24:56.309 --> 00:25:00.950 the barrier methods, like, you know, cervical cap, diaphragm sterilization. 334 00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:06.430 I mean if a lot of people have a lot of strong feelings about whether 335 00:25:06.470 --> 00:25:12.740 that is biblical or not, sure, but but there's that is that does 336 00:25:12.940 --> 00:25:18.380 prevent at a fertilized egg from ever or at the egg from ever getting fertil 337 00:25:18.500 --> 00:25:22.329 yes, I mean that would be there's a whole other conversation around that, 338 00:25:22.690 --> 00:25:26.490 course, right. But yeah, I mean there's there's no fertilization taking place 339 00:25:26.529 --> 00:25:32.089 because you've been sterilized, right, and then you know natural family planning, 340 00:25:32.250 --> 00:25:37.640 so fertility awareness methods. The Catholic certainly teach that method of of family planning. 341 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:45.559 Yeah, so those are all those would all be acceptable as a birth 342 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.670 control if you are sold that birth control is is acceptable. Yeah, and 343 00:25:49.789 --> 00:25:53.430 of itself. Yeah, and so that's kind of that was premised number four. 344 00:25:53.990 --> 00:25:59.910 Premised number five. Birth control does not prevent abortion and has risks. 345 00:26:00.069 --> 00:26:03.470 There's this mentality that you, as a society, birth control is good. 346 00:26:03.029 --> 00:26:07.660 I've actually even had some folks who have come across my radar who want to 347 00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:11.059 get involved, who want to get trained to do sidewalk counseling and things like 348 00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:15.819 that. And on some of the forms we ask questions like what's your view 349 00:26:15.859 --> 00:26:18.019 of birth control? We just want to see where people are at, right. 350 00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:19.769 Yeah, and a lot of people are saying I've seen it. Quite 351 00:26:19.809 --> 00:26:23.369 a few people respond with well, birth control is good because it lowers abortion. 352 00:26:23.410 --> 00:26:26.650 Yeah, and so that's a good thing, right, because people who 353 00:26:26.769 --> 00:26:30.609 like centers are going to sin, and we understand that people are going to 354 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:33.440 have sex outside of marriage right and if they're going to, it's better that 355 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.480 they use birth control rather than they go and aboard their children that are conceived 356 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:42.640 in in their sin. But for what you've have here, you're saying that 357 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:48.069 it doesn't prevent abortion rights. There is, and that's surprised me, but 358 00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:52.910 the the website students for Life Dot Org. And then contraception, and I 359 00:26:53.029 --> 00:26:57.430 thought we link that in the article. It's sites research that shows that nine 360 00:26:57.589 --> 00:27:03.900 percent of women who use birth control get pregnant anyway, and a whopping fifty 361 00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:08.700 one percent of abortion past patients were using birth control when they got pregnant. 362 00:27:10.299 --> 00:27:15.890 So it shows this is not an effective tool to prevent abortion, which was 363 00:27:15.410 --> 00:27:19.170 is always what you hear from the socalled pro choice crowd. You know why 364 00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:22.690 are you against birth control? You hate abortion. This prevents abortion. Well, 365 00:27:22.730 --> 00:27:26.170 the research shows, first of all, fifty one percent of the women 366 00:27:26.410 --> 00:27:30.359 who are coming for an abortion we're using birth control in the month that they 367 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.279 came for the abortion. But the second thing is, not only does it 368 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:38.400 not prevent abortion, but birth control may in fact be an abortion at times. 369 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:42.880 Yeah, so it and, like I had already mentioned, it also 370 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:47.190 has it comes with its own risks. Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 371 00:27:47.589 --> 00:27:49.069 We won't get into all of those. I think if nothing else, 372 00:27:49.150 --> 00:27:53.029 guys, this podcast should spur you guys to do your own research. We're 373 00:27:53.029 --> 00:27:56.069 going to give you. I've already shared with you kind of the conclusion that 374 00:27:56.349 --> 00:28:00.619 our family has come to, and so we've given you that, but you 375 00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:03.259 need to get before the Lord. You need to do the research yourself. 376 00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:06.420 It's helpful to be informed of these things when you're out on the sidewalk and 377 00:28:06.460 --> 00:28:08.859 you're ministering to people that are coming to have birth control. It's good to 378 00:28:08.980 --> 00:28:11.700 have some of these facts. It's good to know some of the stuff and 379 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:17.450 ultimately, it's good that we know before the Lord that we're doing the right 380 00:28:17.569 --> 00:28:21.529 thing. Right we want to honor God. That's far and above everything that 381 00:28:21.650 --> 00:28:23.529 we want to honor the Lord. So if we're doing things, if we're 382 00:28:23.529 --> 00:28:29.640 embracing mentalities that dishonor the Lord and they're just not biblical mentalities as far as 383 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.640 like our view of children and that sort of thing, we need to repent. 384 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.359 Yeah, and we need to ask the Lord to change our hearts in 385 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:38.400 those areas. Yeah, and which kind of leads to that. I think 386 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.990 it's our last premise. Pres yes, our six premise. Yeah, birth 387 00:28:44.069 --> 00:28:48.910 control masks the true issue of rebellion from God. Yeah, so much of 388 00:28:49.269 --> 00:28:55.670 the freedom to have sex outside of marriage is because of birth control. Yeah, 389 00:28:55.710 --> 00:29:00.420 it. It does make it easier to rebel against God in the issue 390 00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:03.940 of sexual purity. Yeah, I mean, you think about it, we're 391 00:29:03.940 --> 00:29:07.380 a peel popping society. We got appeal for everything, right, everything that 392 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:11.329 we do, we've got some kind of peal that can make it all better. 393 00:29:12.089 --> 00:29:17.089 And obviously that's not the it's not the will of God. All right, 394 00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:22.849 again, children are blessing. Yeah, and when there's no I don't 395 00:29:22.849 --> 00:29:25.599 know how to say this, but there's no consequences, we can pop up 396 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:27.960 pill to get rid of the consequences of anything that we do or to chield 397 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:33.480 us from consequences. And sex outside of marriage. The consequence sometimes can be 398 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.880 that you get pregnant, right, and there's a child that you have to 399 00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.910 be responsible for. Yeah, take away that a consequence. And it's like 400 00:29:41.230 --> 00:29:45.069 this whole free love movement and the Birth Control Movement really have coincided with one 401 00:29:45.109 --> 00:29:52.380 another, and the birth control movement gave fuel to the fire for the glute 402 00:29:52.460 --> 00:29:56.819 freelove movement. And all the other junk that came with that. And then, 403 00:29:56.859 --> 00:30:00.539 ultimately, for abortion. Yeah, because when birth control fails, abortion 404 00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:04.339 becomes the final birth control. Yeah, it prevents the the birth of that 405 00:30:04.460 --> 00:30:08.730 child. But so, yeah, with with birth control came the sexual revolution. 406 00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:14.329 And but you know, and it brought so many, in the the 407 00:30:15.410 --> 00:30:18.970 eyes of the world, so many benefits for women. And yet look at 408 00:30:19.009 --> 00:30:25.960 what it also brought. Increased number of teens being sexually active, and most 409 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.960 people would agree that's really not a good thing on so many levels. Yeah, 410 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.990 increased pregnancy out of wedlock, the onslaught of stds, those were basically 411 00:30:36.109 --> 00:30:40.789 nonexistent before this sect. Well, that's not quite true. There was syphilis 412 00:30:40.950 --> 00:30:45.630 before the big sexual revolution, but but now there's a whole host of new 413 00:30:45.349 --> 00:30:52.660 sexually transmitted diseases. And and so it went from we went from the thought 414 00:30:52.859 --> 00:31:02.819 of Birth Control Liberating women to abortion being a valid choice and to really what 415 00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:08.769 God says about sexual purity outside of marriage is old. Yeah, and we 416 00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:14.890 don't need to abide by those in a modern society with all these ways of 417 00:31:15.089 --> 00:31:18.880 taking care of the bad the problems. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. 418 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.720 So, and another thing that I thought this was really interesting I got a 419 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:29.240 few statistics that really again shocked me as I read this. In one thousand 420 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:34.630 nineteen hundred six percent of unmarried women were sexually active. In nineteen ninety nine 421 00:31:36.349 --> 00:31:41.789 that increased to seventy five percent. Well, and this is, you know, 422 00:31:41.069 --> 00:31:47.259 outside of marriage. Seventy that's staggering. Yeah, that's really disturbing. 423 00:31:47.779 --> 00:31:52.980 And even more disturbing is, rather than reducing the extra marital pregnancy rate, 424 00:31:53.059 --> 00:31:59.900 which is what this birth control was supposed to do, it actually has increased. 425 00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:06.210 So in the the statistic that they cite is that the share of all 426 00:32:06.289 --> 00:32:13.210 pregnancy outside of marriage has increased from two percent in the S to thirty three 427 00:32:13.329 --> 00:32:20.319 percent in the nineteen ninety nine. So birth control has not decreased extra marital 428 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.640 pregnancy, it is increased it. Yeah, it makes sense. Everybody is 429 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:30.710 now seventy five percent of unmarried people are engaged in sexual activity outside of marriage. 430 00:32:30.710 --> 00:32:35.750 Yeah, yeah, so all these numbers just help us to understand kind 431 00:32:35.789 --> 00:32:39.309 of the floodgate being opened up right with this whole sexual revolution. Again, 432 00:32:39.349 --> 00:32:45.019 the these the sexual revolution and the birth control movement coincide with one another. 433 00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:49.500 We're not going to get in depth as far as the Margaret Singer in the 434 00:32:49.539 --> 00:32:52.339 birth control league and all that stuff. Yeah, just really wanted to equip 435 00:32:52.420 --> 00:32:57.619 you guys and spur you guys to think more biblically about this, think more 436 00:32:57.700 --> 00:33:02.890 biblically about children and the value of children, but also birth control, just 437 00:33:04.009 --> 00:33:07.930 in general, the mindsets, but just practically the effect that it could potentially 438 00:33:07.970 --> 00:33:10.849 have on ending the life of a baby. So again, that we have 439 00:33:10.970 --> 00:33:15.440 a biblical perspective on this, that we ourselves to our lives right, we 440 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:20.599 have to. The Bible says, remove the log from your eye so that 441 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.640 you can help your brother remove the speck from his eye. So if we're 442 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.430 going along and we're talking about how evil it is for people to view children 443 00:33:28.470 --> 00:33:32.349 as property, and yet we ourselves are embracing this birth control mindset where children 444 00:33:32.349 --> 00:33:36.150 are really, in our minds, just a burden and we're willing to take 445 00:33:36.230 --> 00:33:38.349 pills that are potentially going to end the life of a baby in the womb 446 00:33:38.390 --> 00:33:42.339 ourselves. Who really got to get the log out of our own eye first? 447 00:33:42.380 --> 00:33:45.980 We got to examine our hearts before God first, and then we can 448 00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:50.299 help others right, see clearly, to get the speck out of their eye. 449 00:33:50.619 --> 00:33:53.420 Yeah, Amen. And so just encouraging you guys again to think about 450 00:33:53.420 --> 00:33:58.410 this biblically. Maybe you've got some pushback on this, maybe you've got a 451 00:33:58.450 --> 00:34:00.970 different perspective than we do. We certainly would love to hear your perspective. 452 00:34:01.369 --> 00:34:05.690 You can reach out to me Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. He reached 453 00:34:06.009 --> 00:34:08.210 her at Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. This is again not intended to 454 00:34:08.809 --> 00:34:13.599 bring guilt and condemnation all that, but just just spur you guys to love 455 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.599 and good works. Right. It's just spur you guys to think biblically. 456 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.320 So if you've got questions about this, if you've got things to add, 457 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.989 maybe, I don't know, maybe there's an expert about birth control out there 458 00:34:24.110 --> 00:34:29.110 that could give us some better perspective or something like that. We would certainly 459 00:34:29.150 --> 00:34:31.670 love to bring them on, whatever that looks like. Bring them on zoom 460 00:34:31.710 --> 00:34:36.429 or come here the office and recording. If you know somebody like that, 461 00:34:36.550 --> 00:34:38.059 reach out to us. Let us know. But we hope this has been 462 00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:40.659 an encouragement. Do you guys? Hope this has been a challenge to you 463 00:34:40.780 --> 00:34:47.219 guys? And with that we will wrap this thing up. So God bless 464 00:34:47.260 --> 00:34:54.730 you guys and we'll talk to you later. Give me our love for love. 465 00:34:59.329 --> 00:35:07.920 Give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my 466 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:15.639 life. Nothing's too precious, and some that you