Is It Pro-life To Use Birth Control?

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours s and me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.869Lord, I am Your Welcome tothe Gospel Center pro life podcast. This300:00:11.029 --> 00:00:14.390episode we're going to look at thesubject of birth control from a biblical and400:00:14.669 --> 00:00:18.789from a pro life perspective. Thisis a very controversial but important subject,500:00:18.829 --> 00:00:32.060so stay tuned. I felt showpassish, touch your heart. Use Me.600:00:35.460 --> 00:00:39.450Welcome to the Gospel centered pro lifepodcasts. We appreciate you guys listening700:00:39.770 --> 00:00:43.049and, as always, we appreciateyou guys sharing this podcast. We hope800:00:43.130 --> 00:00:46.210it is an encouragement to you guys, but also we want it to be900:00:46.250 --> 00:00:52.240an encouragement to other people. Thegoal is to equip people and to help1000:00:52.280 --> 00:00:56.600people think through from a Biblical perspective, from a Gospel Center perspective, a1100:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.359lot of the issues that have todo with pro life stuff, with the1200:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.150main focus on sidewalk counseling, becausethat's what we do, sidewalk outreach,1300:01:04.829 --> 00:01:08.790ministering to men and women at thelocal abortion centers. That's our heart,1400:01:08.950 --> 00:01:12.069that's what God has called us toand that's what we want to equip you1500:01:12.109 --> 00:01:15.230guys to do, and that's whatthese podcasts are centered around, even though1600:01:15.269 --> 00:01:19.700not every time we cover a subject. Does that have to do with sidewalks?1700:01:19.659 --> 00:01:23.099The reality is, though, theconversation probably started on the sidewalks,1800:01:23.140 --> 00:01:26.579as you and I are out thereand you know, we have conversations with1900:01:26.659 --> 00:01:30.459each other and we have conversation withour other counselors that are out there.2000:01:32.019 --> 00:01:34.049Things come up, they might havea question about their hey, can you2100:01:34.090 --> 00:01:38.489guys do a podcast or we thinkthat? So podcast about that, because2200:01:38.530 --> 00:01:42.170a lot of our topics ared thethe desire to remain consistent. Yeah,2300:01:42.209 --> 00:01:46.329and in what we think, sayand believe. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.2400:01:46.370 --> 00:01:49.879Yeah, so we we put subjectsout there that we think will equip2500:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.959people and answer questions that we seecome up often times. And I know2600:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.079we did a couple of weeks agoa podcast about how to deal with people2700:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.790who are coming to the abortion center, mainly plan parenthood, who well,2800:02:02.870 --> 00:02:07.229other abortion centers to who do otherthings other than abortion. The Abortion Center2900:02:07.270 --> 00:02:10.629here on the troupe drive, theyonly do abortions, right, so we3000:02:10.750 --> 00:02:14.189deal with people that are here foran abortion or have had an abortion,3100:02:14.270 --> 00:02:16.699but there's other people that come tolike plan parenthood and stuff, who are3200:02:16.740 --> 00:02:20.900coming for I mean we talked aboutsome of those things. Some are coming3300:02:20.939 --> 00:02:27.620for like conversion therapy, right,this isn't the right term, or harm3400:02:27.699 --> 00:02:34.810a hormone therapy for trans transitioning,yeah, into a different gender. Yeah,3500:02:34.889 --> 00:02:38.289yeah, and they're people that comefor various things, that Plant parenthood,3600:02:38.289 --> 00:02:43.050and some of those people that weencounter the plant parent who'd come for3700:02:43.169 --> 00:02:46.879birth control. And one of thequestions that we have a lot from people3800:02:46.159 --> 00:02:52.159is should Christians be using birth controlright? And I think I think we3900:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.520have to say right off from thestart that, you know, we're not4000:02:55.639 --> 00:03:02.349medical experts. Hmmm, and thereis some controversy around this. It's not4100:03:02.590 --> 00:03:06.909like it's a settled thing for somepeople to settled thing, like they've got4200:03:06.990 --> 00:03:10.509it figured out. Christians should notuse birth control at all. Some people4300:03:10.509 --> 00:03:14.819would say who have it, theythink have it figured out, would say4400:03:14.819 --> 00:03:17.300Christians are okay using birth control.So I think we have to acknowledge that4500:03:17.780 --> 00:03:23.780there is this tension and there's stillsome questions and we're going to talk about4600:03:23.020 --> 00:03:28.250certain things again with the focus onequipping you guys at the abortion centers and4700:03:28.650 --> 00:03:31.729you know, certainly, I thinkany subject that we approach, when we're4800:03:31.729 --> 00:03:38.650talking about human life, we haveto approach very carefully, very thoughtfully and,4900:03:38.810 --> 00:03:43.080of course, very biblically. That'sit, kind of the the angle5000:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.199we're going to be coming from asit pertains to birth control. So we've5100:03:46.240 --> 00:03:51.360got, like we often do,an article that wonderful Vicki wrote here,5200:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.240and there's certain premises that we're goingto be talking about, just kind of5300:03:54.280 --> 00:04:00.590going through these certain premises and we'regoing to talk around those biblically and then5400:04:00.550 --> 00:04:05.710practically. And the first premise hereis that human life is sacred, and5500:04:06.030 --> 00:04:09.550I'll think that's going to be anargument for any of our people that are5600:04:09.590 --> 00:04:14.060listening. Hey, human life issacred, has a sacred value above and5700:04:14.180 --> 00:04:18.779beyond animal life and all of that. Right, human beings are made in5800:04:18.819 --> 00:04:21.660the image of God. Genesis onehundred and twenty seven, God created man5900:04:21.779 --> 00:04:25.889in his own image and image ofGod. He created him male and female.6000:04:25.930 --> 00:04:30.250He created them. Human beings aremade in God's image and that,6100:04:30.529 --> 00:04:35.689though, has to be the foundationwhen we're talking about birth control, right,6200:04:35.769 --> 00:04:40.720when we're talking about bringing new livesinto this world, when we're talking6300:04:40.720 --> 00:04:45.120about abortion. Of course, ifhuman life was just like animal life,6400:04:45.120 --> 00:04:47.439then this debate would be null andvoid, right. Why are we in6500:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.519having this conversation. Why do westand in front of abortion centers? I6600:04:50.639 --> 00:04:56.189mean, certainly it's wrong to abuseanimals, but we eat them, right,6700:04:56.310 --> 00:04:59.350we eat them for dinner. Right, they didn't in the garden of6800:04:59.430 --> 00:05:02.430eating until the fall. Correct.Yet kind of said I wish I'd been6900:05:02.509 --> 00:05:06.939back to that time because I likeanimals. Like them to there's very tasty.7000:05:08.540 --> 00:05:11.420Actually it's what Peter stands where.You know that right, people eating7100:05:11.500 --> 00:05:15.860tasty animals. Yeah, but pointis that animal life and human life is7200:05:15.980 --> 00:05:21.089different. Yeah, well, animalsin humans have some of the same characteristics,7300:05:21.569 --> 00:05:27.050but human beings are the only creaturethat God had made in his own7400:05:27.329 --> 00:05:30.410image. Should that's premise number one, and and the the Bible is clear.7500:05:30.490 --> 00:05:33.930That shown a murder. So thispremise is absolutely critical when we're talking7600:05:33.930 --> 00:05:41.639about birth control, because are theirforms of birth control that do indeed violate7700:05:41.959 --> 00:05:48.360this premise, that that they treathuman life as not sacred because it destroys7800:05:48.399 --> 00:05:54.110human life. But you've got tobe operating in this discussion from that just7900:05:54.509 --> 00:06:00.509first most base Dick Truth. Humanlife is sacred because God created us in8000:06:00.750 --> 00:06:04.699his image, and so when we'retalking about birth control, there's basically two8100:06:04.740 --> 00:06:11.699different kinds. There's kinds that thateither are going to prevent the egg from8200:06:12.139 --> 00:06:16.579being fertilized and so a human lifeis not yet created. Yeah, and8300:06:16.699 --> 00:06:23.370then there's kinds that prevent that fertilizedegg from implanting, yeah, or can8400:06:23.410 --> 00:06:27.810actually destroy the fertilized egg, andin that case that's going to violate this8500:06:27.930 --> 00:06:30.930first premise. Right. They thoseare what are called the board of fashioned8600:06:30.209 --> 00:06:34.600yeah, and and those that becausethey cause an abortion, because any time8700:06:34.920 --> 00:06:42.319a fertilized egg is destroyed, thatis a violation of that first premise.8800:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.680Yeah, and that is of course. I mean, none of that would8900:06:45.680 --> 00:06:48.870even matter if we didn't believe thatlife begins at conception, right, and9000:06:49.509 --> 00:06:54.629we certainly do write believe that lifebegins at conception. It's the only logical9100:06:54.709 --> 00:06:57.790place for us to say that lifebegins. You know. Yet the some9200:06:57.910 --> 00:07:00.750of the pro abortion people that willsay, you know, life begins at9300:07:00.829 --> 00:07:05.180birth, or life begins at whenthe brain function is at a certain level.9400:07:05.779 --> 00:07:10.980You know, it's so all ofall of that is just a subjective9500:07:11.220 --> 00:07:15.730and there's really no solid from allof that, even like from birth.9600:07:15.850 --> 00:07:17.529I mean you say, well,that's not a subject that's an objective time9700:07:18.290 --> 00:07:24.529period that takes place. But you'retrying to have me believe that five seconds9800:07:24.569 --> 00:07:27.970before or birth it's not alive.That's ridiculous. And a child at the9900:07:28.050 --> 00:07:32.639same age that's born early, dude, they are they less value because they10000:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.639were born? Surely because the thetime of birth wasn't they were developed for10100:07:36.680 --> 00:07:41.160forty four weeks, like in ina jumical birth. But that does lead10200:07:41.199 --> 00:07:46.389to the second premise, to yeah, unborn humans are loved by God from10300:07:46.910 --> 00:07:50.230conception. So we believe that lifebegins at conception. Right again, I10400:07:50.269 --> 00:07:55.029don't think there's any other logical playswhere you could say this is when life10500:07:55.029 --> 00:07:59.860begins, this is when a uniqueorganism comes to being, except for conception.10600:07:59.899 --> 00:08:03.980Right, right, and even biblicalBibly, I mean, because everything10700:08:03.220 --> 00:08:09.379that we hopefully impart in our podcastis is based on biblical tree. Yeah,10800:08:09.899 --> 00:08:13.050and so we see in the scripturethat God is the one. In10900:08:13.050 --> 00:08:16.569Jeremiah, chapter one, verse five, he says, before I formed you,11000:08:16.689 --> 00:08:20.810I knew you and before you wereborn, I consecrated to your eyes,11100:08:20.889 --> 00:08:26.089set you apart as a prophet tothe nation's yeah, so Jeremiah was11200:08:26.250 --> 00:08:31.360known by God and of course thisscripture implies and says very, very specifically11300:08:31.439 --> 00:08:33.399that God is the one that formedhim before I formed you. So who11400:08:33.480 --> 00:08:39.000formed him? God did. Iknew you. So this even speaks of11500:08:39.200 --> 00:08:41.789and we're not going to go here, I don't think, per se,11600:08:43.070 --> 00:08:46.590but the speaks of the knowledge ofGod before he was even conceived. It's11700:08:46.629 --> 00:08:50.590like God knew him before he's evencan see and get into a lot of11800:08:50.950 --> 00:08:56.779theological depth as as it concerns that. Of course God knows the in from11900:08:56.779 --> 00:08:58.620the beginning. God, it knowsevery life that comes to pass, and12000:08:58.779 --> 00:09:07.299God certainly knew Jeremiah. But wedo believe that human life is precious.12100:09:07.299 --> 00:09:11.049That's like the basic premise of beingpro life or being against abortion. It's12200:09:11.169 --> 00:09:18.210wrong because life begins at conception,in between conception and birth, there's life12300:09:18.330 --> 00:09:22.450there. As a society we've saidthat life doesn't have value, but God's12400:09:22.450 --> 00:09:26.639word says that it does. Yeah, when I was looking through this,12500:09:26.840 --> 00:09:30.679but I don't think I had everreally noticed this, but in Luke one12600:09:30.720 --> 00:09:35.879hundred and fifteen, he will befilled with the Holy Spirit while yet in12700:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.549his mother's womb. Yeah, thatreally struck me. I mean talk about12800:09:39.549 --> 00:09:45.110the value that God has placed onthe unboard child. He has already filled12900:09:45.269 --> 00:09:50.309that that unborn child, with theHoly Spirit. Yeah. So I think13000:09:50.309 --> 00:09:58.299there's really no doubt biblically that fromconception that child is loved by God,13100:09:58.500 --> 00:10:01.899known by God, created by Godand therefore valued by God from from that13200:10:03.059 --> 00:10:07.059moment of conception. Absolutely. Andso, just kind of moving along our13300:10:07.139 --> 00:10:11.610third premises, we are called toprotect human life from the moment of conception.13400:10:11.690 --> 00:10:16.250Yeah, and so that's why westand in front of an abortion center.13500:10:16.330 --> 00:10:18.690Yep. That's why we are callingout to the bombs that come over13600:10:18.769 --> 00:10:22.240and receive literature and hell, that'swhat we're pleading with him not to go13700:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.840in that place. Not because wethink that what goes on there is just13800:10:26.960 --> 00:10:33.519a bad idea or just a badmedical procedure. Mean, certainly those places13900:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.669are not safe, but it's morethan just a medical procedure that takes place.14000:10:37.710 --> 00:10:43.350A human life is destroyed and weare called to protect human life.14100:10:43.509 --> 00:10:46.750Right. Lots of verses that that. That tell us that one of the14200:10:46.070 --> 00:10:52.179the when, again, when Iwas looking through researching this article again,14300:10:52.220 --> 00:10:54.940I had never really noticed this,but in in the verse where talks about14400:10:56.179 --> 00:11:01.659how the angel speaks to Mary,says that she has conceived through the Holy14500:11:01.700 --> 00:11:05.330Spirit. And then it says rightafter she hurries to her cousin Elizabeth.14600:11:05.370 --> 00:11:13.090So this is presumably immediately after theconception of Jesus of the baby in her14700:11:13.169 --> 00:11:20.279womb and as she hurries immediately.So this is a newly conceived baby in14800:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.360her womb, right, unless I'mmisreading no, and and the the baby14900:11:24.480 --> 00:11:30.960and Elizabeth's womb leaps for joy.So there's there's two babies here, one15000:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.149who is leaping for joy in thewomb, which is very telling, but15100:11:35.549 --> 00:11:43.509recognizing already the specialness of that otherbaby in the womb who is newly conceived.15200:11:43.789 --> 00:11:48.340and to me I think that's anargument for again that from conception that15300:11:48.379 --> 00:11:56.059that child is is honored and lovedand valued by God. Yeah, yeah,15400:11:56.379 --> 00:12:01.379absolutely, and I just to piggybackon that. If you're looking at15500:12:01.379 --> 00:12:05.049those terms in the Greek, youlook at and Luke chapter one, especially15600:12:05.809 --> 00:12:09.690where it talks about the baby leaptin her womb, and Luke chapter one15700:12:09.809 --> 00:12:13.330talking about about John The baptist.The word there's breathos, right, so15800:12:13.450 --> 00:12:18.240that's a Greek word referring to aninfant. So yeah, later on when15900:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.960it talks about Mary Holding Jesus.After Jesus is born, that same word16000:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.360is used. Yeah, breathos.It's the same, same word. So,16100:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.710biblically, by the Holy Spirit,Luke is recording, the baby in16200:12:31.750 --> 00:12:35.509the womb is breathos, right,a baby, a life that's conceived.16300:12:35.870 --> 00:12:39.309Yeah, and then the baby outsideof the womb, referring to Jesus,16400:12:39.429 --> 00:12:43.149is breathos, yeah, an infant. Yeah, and words matter. They16500:12:43.230 --> 00:12:46.139didn't, and certainly to God andthe words that he chooses and or inspires16600:12:46.259 --> 00:12:50.100the writers in the bike. Yeah, I mean they'll say there were likely16700:12:50.220 --> 00:12:52.620words available, and it's kind oflike you know, nowadays we referred to16800:12:52.620 --> 00:12:58.019a baby in the womb as afetus. Medically that an infant is after16900:12:58.100 --> 00:13:03.090it's born, but generally we justreferred to it as a baby rights,17000:13:03.129 --> 00:13:05.570the general term that we use.If it's wanted, that's what we refer17100:13:05.690 --> 00:13:09.009to it as. For sure.Yeah, there are certainly words they could17200:13:09.009 --> 00:13:13.519have used in Greek that would havebeen different than Breathos, but they chose17300:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.279that because it's the same as ababy inside the whims the same as a17400:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.240baby outside of the womb, exceptfor a few different things that are going17500:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.399on there. Right in the developmentof that job. But as far as17600:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.870value, yeah, as far aspersonhood, it's the same. Yeah,17700:13:26.870 --> 00:13:30.190we believe that. Yeah. Sowe've kind of built a case up to17800:13:30.230 --> 00:13:33.230this point that, okay, thethe baby is a baby, is a17900:13:33.309 --> 00:13:37.549human being from the moment of conception, is valued from the moment of conception18000:13:37.750 --> 00:13:41.179and is worthy of our protection.Yeah, from the moment of conception.18100:13:41.220 --> 00:13:46.460And that all leads kind of tothe fourth premise where we begin to really18200:13:46.500 --> 00:13:50.299discuss then. Well, so,what about birth control? Yeah, should18300:13:50.299 --> 00:13:52.980be our concerns with me. Yeah. Yeah. So premise some before is18400:13:54.019 --> 00:13:58.090if we know birth control methods ora board of Facian, we should not18500:13:58.289 --> 00:14:01.450use them. Yeah, and acknowledging, like we did at the beginning of18600:14:01.529 --> 00:14:07.970this podcast, that there's some ambiguitythere. There's some birth control methods that18700:14:07.450 --> 00:14:13.879some doctors say could be and somedoctors are saying they aren't probably aren't right.18800:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.720So we're going to talk around thata little bit. Yeah, but18900:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.440the Ambi you guys to do yourown research. The ambiguity is not that19000:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.190we should go ahead and use itif it's a board of fashioned. Yeah,19100:14:24.309 --> 00:14:28.750there's no ambiguity biblically, if itis an a board of fashion.19200:14:28.750 --> 00:14:33.669If it kills a developing human being, then we've kind of laid the groundwork.19300:14:35.269 --> 00:14:39.259We shouldn't use it. So itbehooves every Christian to understand that,19400:14:39.460 --> 00:14:45.259right. Yeah, which which birthcontrol methods are acknowledged as a board of19500:14:45.259 --> 00:14:46.539fashioned and which? I'm not charmedsaying that right, by the way,19600:14:46.539 --> 00:14:50.379it might be facient, I'm notsure. But which are and which are19700:14:50.419 --> 00:14:54.570not? And and if, ifwe love the Lord, we should try19800:14:54.610 --> 00:15:01.169to abide by not using those thatwe can pretty conclusively say are a Board19900:15:01.210 --> 00:15:05.250of fashion. Yeah, and fulldisclosure, I'll share a little bit of20000:15:05.330 --> 00:15:09.480my story. Okay, is thatfor a while, me and my wife,20100:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.159we did use birth control. Weused hormonal birth control, for this20200:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.960was after we were Christians, afterwe were married. Yeah, and really20300:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.389just because it's it's like it's whatyou do, right. Everybody does.20400:15:22.470 --> 00:15:26.110The help your exact doesn't no onetalks at all about it being possibly causing20500:15:26.149 --> 00:15:30.590abortions. Yeah, you really haveto dig to find that information. Yeah,20600:15:30.789 --> 00:15:33.629absolutely, and so we used itand I'm just figured it's what everybody20700:15:33.750 --> 00:15:37.580does. And you know, asthe Lord Begin to work on me a20800:15:37.620 --> 00:15:43.779little more, because if you thinkabout it. The reasoning behind that is20900:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.220really unbiblical reasoning. I'm not gonnanot going to do this, probably for21000:15:48.259 --> 00:15:50.929a whole other podcast. It couldbe a whole other podcast I talk about,21100:15:52.009 --> 00:15:56.529but what you came to. Sothe Bible lays out a very clear21200:15:56.929 --> 00:16:03.210case that children are blessing right,that we should view children as a blessing.21300:16:03.250 --> 00:16:08.399And this whole idea of you know, to and no more, right,21400:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.679two kids and no more, thiscomes from the world. This comes21500:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.960from the world's view of children.The children are just a bless our children21600:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.389are just a birding burden, nota blessing. That the getting the way21700:16:18.429 --> 00:16:22.470if you, you know, havingyour new house and your two new cars21800:16:22.509 --> 00:16:26.029in the driveway and mom and dadable to go out on you know,21900:16:26.230 --> 00:16:30.710on the town or whatever. Andso the motivation for limiting our families a22000:16:30.750 --> 00:16:36.460lot of times is a selfish one. If we examine it honestly, right,22100:16:36.539 --> 00:16:38.860and it's not a biblical understanding theblessing that children are. The Bible22200:16:38.899 --> 00:16:42.539says in some one and twenty sevenchildren are a blessing from the Lord.22300:16:44.019 --> 00:16:48.090In the Hebrew mindset it was ablessing to have children. You would be22400:16:48.330 --> 00:16:52.370cursed. You think about Rachel,who cried out to Jacob and said give22500:16:52.409 --> 00:16:56.929me children or I die. Yeah, like she wanted to have children,22600:16:56.049 --> 00:17:00.129she wanted now, she said desperate. She went through her servant, her22700:17:00.210 --> 00:17:04.039maid servants right to have children atfirst year. Is that someone else?22800:17:04.039 --> 00:17:08.599And the patriarch spected. Yeah,yeah, and so children are to be22900:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.119received as a blessing. It wouldbe received as a curse. Now,23000:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.640I don't mean to say that peoplethat can't have children are cursed. I'm23100:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.750not. I don't exactly agree withthat, but biblically, if you didn't23200:17:19.750 --> 00:17:23.990have children, they were something wrong. Right. Nowadays, if you have23300:17:25.230 --> 00:17:27.509too many children, according to sayare quotes, too many children AC cording23400:17:27.509 --> 00:17:30.940to the eyes of the world,and somehow you're weird and you're strange,23500:17:32.380 --> 00:17:36.579which is a complete contradiction and thekind of turning things upside down according to23600:17:36.660 --> 00:17:40.299what the Bible's motivation is. Yeah, children are a blessing. We've got23700:17:40.339 --> 00:17:44.450eight kids. I remember back wheneverwe had for people would look at US23800:17:44.450 --> 00:17:45.650funny and think, don't you knowan they always say, don't you know23900:17:45.690 --> 00:17:48.410what causes that? Right, so, yeah, causes that. I never24000:17:48.490 --> 00:17:53.970heard that one before. So Ithink this understanding, this biblical understanding,24100:17:55.049 --> 00:17:59.039ultimately is what got ahold of me. And then I dug a little deeper24200:17:59.160 --> 00:18:03.599in the birth control stuff and justdiscovered that some of the hormonal birth control24300:18:03.640 --> 00:18:10.839actually could potentially be a board offacient. Right, it could be taken24400:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.670babies who are conceived and and causingthem to be flushed out of my wife's24500:18:15.710 --> 00:18:18.509body and, yeah, and tobe ultimately killed, right, yeah,24600:18:19.269 --> 00:18:23.309and I remember repenting before the Lordfor that and it took some time before24700:18:23.349 --> 00:18:27.859I realized what this birth control stuffcould potentially do. And so, as24800:18:27.980 --> 00:18:32.259for me and my house, wesaid we're not using that stuff. Yeah,24900:18:32.740 --> 00:18:37.740because if even if it's possible,if it's even possible, that a25000:18:37.779 --> 00:18:41.650baby is being killed, then Idon't want to have any part in that.25100:18:41.730 --> 00:18:44.569And so I think, guys,is we're going through this. You25200:18:44.650 --> 00:18:47.210know, I don't want to comedown heavy, I don't want to bring25300:18:47.809 --> 00:18:52.369condemnation to people sharing what God didin my heart, but also, listen,25400:18:52.450 --> 00:18:56.319guys, we do need to bevery careful about what we're involving ourselves25500:18:56.319 --> 00:19:00.440in, the mentalities that we embraceand the stuff that we use, because25600:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.559I do believe that's what we needto be thinking in our minds as it25700:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.079concerns birth controls, like okay,is we're talking through in these different ones,25800:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.670who may or may not write destroya fertilized egg, a child that25900:19:11.869 --> 00:19:15.190is conceived. If we believe thatlife begins a conception and there's something that26000:19:15.910 --> 00:19:21.190it may or it may not,I think when in doubt, you stay26100:19:21.230 --> 00:19:23.859away from that stuff. I wouldagree are on the side of caution in26200:19:25.099 --> 00:19:27.940that, because to end it,even inadvertently, take a human life,26300:19:29.099 --> 00:19:32.740would be wrong. Yes, wrongfor God. So we have a list26400:19:33.220 --> 00:19:36.500which I a lot of people justwant to know that. They have asked26500:19:36.660 --> 00:19:38.529us which ones are okay, whichones are not. In like you said,26600:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.930and we do post the two articlesthat this these lists are based on26700:19:42.970 --> 00:19:51.849on our sidewalks for life and alsowhere we post the podcast. But in26800:19:52.369 --> 00:19:56.160both articles they are very honest thatthere is controversy. Yeah, they also26900:19:56.440 --> 00:20:02.920point out that they tried recently toresearch this list and to find out was27000:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.430there a more definitive proof of whetherthey were a board of fashion or not,27100:20:07.750 --> 00:20:11.069and said in a decade there's beenvery little definitive research, which is,27200:20:11.150 --> 00:20:12.990yeah, kind of strange. Youwould think they would want to answer27300:20:14.029 --> 00:20:17.069that question. But again, we'rein a pro death culture, yeah,27400:20:17.470 --> 00:20:22.619a pro abortion culture, and itis not a burning issue. Yeah,27500:20:22.819 --> 00:20:29.579in our society. Yeah, kindof been accepted as normative. And Hey,27600:20:30.339 --> 00:20:33.740who's to say it kills a childor not? WHO's the judge?27700:20:33.779 --> 00:20:36.730And why should we dig any deeperinto it? Right, yeah, because27800:20:36.730 --> 00:20:40.849we're, like you said, we'rein a prodeath culture. Yeah, and27900:20:41.369 --> 00:20:45.130culture that views children is only burdensrather than blessing. Right. Yes,28000:20:45.329 --> 00:20:51.200is a contradiction according to the wordof God. So oral contraceptives. These28100:20:51.240 --> 00:20:56.079are the aboard of Fashions. Sooral contraceptives, which are probably the most28200:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.519commonly used birth control everywhere. Sothat that would be birth control pills,28300:21:02.039 --> 00:21:08.750and there are some that are consideredclearly aboard of fashioned and some that there's28400:21:08.789 --> 00:21:15.390some question about. Yeah. So, in either case, the birth control28500:21:15.509 --> 00:21:19.579pills are iffy for a Christian useif you're truly going to be trying to28600:21:19.619 --> 00:21:26.660follow God's very clear and strict standardof the value of life. IUDs,28700:21:26.059 --> 00:21:30.660both copper and hormonal. I don'tknow what a hormonal IUD is. I'm28800:21:30.700 --> 00:21:36.769not sure I understand that, butthe article said that both of those are28900:21:36.809 --> 00:21:41.410aboard of fashioned and that one there'sa lot of evidence. There's also evidence29000:21:41.730 --> 00:21:47.640in all of these things which somakes sense with God's commands, are always29100:21:47.799 --> 00:21:53.359protective, and in both birth controlpills and in the IUD there are risks29200:21:53.559 --> 00:21:57.960and they're not insignificant. True tothe mom stroke, blood clots with the29300:21:59.160 --> 00:22:03.549IUD, actually with both of them, increased risk of ectopic pregnancy. So29400:22:03.670 --> 00:22:11.309there's dangers with these. We thesebirth control methods. Be The hormonal.29500:22:11.430 --> 00:22:15.630All of really the hormonal birth control. So that would include the hormonal patches,29600:22:15.740 --> 00:22:21.180hormonal shot, hormonal implants, hormonalvaginal rings. And I get this29700:22:21.380 --> 00:22:25.859question a lot. Plan Be.Yeah, plan be. Someone just asked29800:22:25.859 --> 00:22:30.369me as plan be the abortion pill. No, it's not, but it29900:22:30.569 --> 00:22:33.210is what used after rape or afterunprotected sex. I think it has to30000:22:33.289 --> 00:22:37.450be used within twenty four hours.Yeah, I'm not really sure about that,30100:22:37.890 --> 00:22:44.089but it's the emergency contraceptive. Yeah, and there, there again.30200:22:44.170 --> 00:22:49.319There's some controversy over that, butsome experts and some of the research does30300:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.920indicate that it could cause an abortion. Yeah, yeah, and I want30400:22:53.920 --> 00:22:57.670to kind of maybe give a littlequalifier here. Okay, because there is30500:22:59.750 --> 00:23:03.509some ambiguity right, is some.There's some research that says yeah, it's30600:23:03.549 --> 00:23:08.430some that says nay. So justlike you could say, could plan be30700:23:08.589 --> 00:23:14.779potentially kill a fertilized egg, killa conceived child? Yes, it could,30800:23:15.819 --> 00:23:18.339but that doesn't mean it always does. Right. In fact, the30900:23:18.380 --> 00:23:21.779vast majority of time they feel itdoesn't. Right. Yeah, in the31000:23:21.819 --> 00:23:23.539same way because from what I understand, you correct me if I'm wrong,31100:23:23.579 --> 00:23:27.329but it's basically just a bunch ofbirth control, right. The plan B31200:23:27.529 --> 00:23:32.289is just a concentrated amount of birthcontrol. Yeah, in a big dose.31300:23:32.490 --> 00:23:34.849Yeah, but one time by looseor one or two type those.31400:23:36.569 --> 00:23:38.490And so in the same way witha with birth control pills. Yeah,31500:23:38.690 --> 00:23:45.960it could. It's possible that itcould abort weren't a conceived child, but31600:23:45.720 --> 00:23:52.079it's not absolutely, absolutely always goingto, or can you absolutely prove that31700:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.349it has? So you know frommy situation that I shared, my wife31800:23:56.390 --> 00:24:00.150took birth control for a couple ofyears. Yeah, I have no idea31900:24:00.349 --> 00:24:03.029whether or not there were conceived children, right, that were ultimately aborted.32000:24:03.230 --> 00:24:06.710I don't know, right. Right. So I'm not going to bear a32100:24:06.750 --> 00:24:10.539bunch of guilt for myself because Ididn't know what I didn't know, but32200:24:10.660 --> 00:24:12.660now that I do know. Yes, sustain away from that. Yeah,32300:24:12.700 --> 00:24:17.140I don't even want to touch it. Yeah, and I think that's a32400:24:17.220 --> 00:24:21.059really important point. is in allthese things, we're not the MOM and32500:24:21.099 --> 00:24:25.210dad of all of our listeners andwe can we can't force them to or32600:24:25.369 --> 00:24:27.369nor do we want to force themto make a choice. That choice has32700:24:27.410 --> 00:24:32.490to be between you and God.But we're just giving the evidence as as32800:24:32.609 --> 00:24:36.730we know it and we strongly recommendthat people research for themselves and really get32900:24:36.769 --> 00:24:41.640before the Lord and absolutely he wouldconvict them. There are non aboard of33000:24:41.680 --> 00:24:47.839fashioned methods of birth control. Thosewould definitely be the preferred method, so33100:24:48.359 --> 00:24:52.720that that would include male and femalecondoms, vaginal sponge, sperm acide,33200:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.269those are all non aboard of fashion, and so they're there that they're called33300:24:56.309 --> 00:25:00.950the barrier methods, like, youknow, cervical cap, diaphragm sterilization.33400:25:00.990 --> 00:25:06.430I mean if a lot of peoplehave a lot of strong feelings about whether33500:25:06.470 --> 00:25:12.740that is biblical or not, sure, but but there's that is that does33600:25:12.940 --> 00:25:18.380prevent at a fertilized egg from everor at the egg from ever getting fertil33700:25:18.500 --> 00:25:22.329yes, I mean that would bethere's a whole other conversation around that,33800:25:22.690 --> 00:25:26.490course, right. But yeah,I mean there's there's no fertilization taking place33900:25:26.529 --> 00:25:32.089because you've been sterilized, right,and then you know natural family planning,34000:25:32.250 --> 00:25:37.640so fertility awareness methods. The Catholiccertainly teach that method of of family planning.34100:25:37.640 --> 00:25:45.559Yeah, so those are all thosewould all be acceptable as a birth34200:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.670control if you are sold that birthcontrol is is acceptable. Yeah, and34300:25:49.789 --> 00:25:53.430of itself. Yeah, and sothat's kind of that was premised number four.34400:25:53.990 --> 00:25:59.910Premised number five. Birth control doesnot prevent abortion and has risks.34500:26:00.069 --> 00:26:03.470There's this mentality that you, asa society, birth control is good.34600:26:03.029 --> 00:26:07.660I've actually even had some folks whohave come across my radar who want to34700:26:07.700 --> 00:26:11.059get involved, who want to gettrained to do sidewalk counseling and things like34800:26:11.099 --> 00:26:15.819that. And on some of theforms we ask questions like what's your view34900:26:15.859 --> 00:26:18.019of birth control? We just wantto see where people are at, right.35000:26:18.059 --> 00:26:19.769Yeah, and a lot of peopleare saying I've seen it. Quite35100:26:19.809 --> 00:26:23.369a few people respond with well,birth control is good because it lowers abortion.35200:26:23.410 --> 00:26:26.650Yeah, and so that's a goodthing, right, because people who35300:26:26.769 --> 00:26:30.609like centers are going to sin,and we understand that people are going to35400:26:30.650 --> 00:26:33.440have sex outside of marriage right andif they're going to, it's better that35500:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.480they use birth control rather than theygo and aboard their children that are conceived35600:26:37.599 --> 00:26:42.640in in their sin. But forwhat you've have here, you're saying that35700:26:42.720 --> 00:26:48.069it doesn't prevent abortion rights. Thereis, and that's surprised me, but35800:26:48.190 --> 00:26:52.910the the website students for Life DotOrg. And then contraception, and I35900:26:53.029 --> 00:26:57.430thought we link that in the article. It's sites research that shows that nine36000:26:57.589 --> 00:27:03.900percent of women who use birth controlget pregnant anyway, and a whopping fifty36100:27:03.059 --> 00:27:08.700one percent of abortion past patients wereusing birth control when they got pregnant.36200:27:10.299 --> 00:27:15.890So it shows this is not aneffective tool to prevent abortion, which was36300:27:15.410 --> 00:27:19.170is always what you hear from thesocalled pro choice crowd. You know why36400:27:19.170 --> 00:27:22.690are you against birth control? Youhate abortion. This prevents abortion. Well,36500:27:22.730 --> 00:27:26.170the research shows, first of all, fifty one percent of the women36600:27:26.410 --> 00:27:30.359who are coming for an abortion we'reusing birth control in the month that they36700:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.279came for the abortion. But thesecond thing is, not only does it36800:27:33.400 --> 00:27:38.400not prevent abortion, but birth controlmay in fact be an abortion at times.36900:27:38.440 --> 00:27:42.880Yeah, so it and, likeI had already mentioned, it also37000:27:42.920 --> 00:27:47.190has it comes with its own risks. Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely.37100:27:47.589 --> 00:27:49.069We won't get into all of those. I think if nothing else,37200:27:49.150 --> 00:27:53.029guys, this podcast should spur youguys to do your own research. We're37300:27:53.029 --> 00:27:56.069going to give you. I've alreadyshared with you kind of the conclusion that37400:27:56.349 --> 00:28:00.619our family has come to, andso we've given you that, but you37500:28:00.700 --> 00:28:03.259need to get before the Lord.You need to do the research yourself.37600:28:03.299 --> 00:28:06.420It's helpful to be informed of thesethings when you're out on the sidewalk and37700:28:06.460 --> 00:28:08.859you're ministering to people that are comingto have birth control. It's good to37800:28:08.980 --> 00:28:11.700have some of these facts. It'sgood to know some of the stuff and37900:28:11.819 --> 00:28:17.450ultimately, it's good that we knowbefore the Lord that we're doing the right38000:28:17.569 --> 00:28:21.529thing. Right we want to honorGod. That's far and above everything that38100:28:21.650 --> 00:28:23.529we want to honor the Lord.So if we're doing things, if we're38200:28:23.529 --> 00:28:29.640embracing mentalities that dishonor the Lord andthey're just not biblical mentalities as far as38300:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.640like our view of children and thatsort of thing, we need to repent.38400:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.359Yeah, and we need to askthe Lord to change our hearts in38500:28:34.440 --> 00:28:38.400those areas. Yeah, and whichkind of leads to that. I think38600:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.990it's our last premise. Pres yes, our six premise. Yeah, birth38700:28:44.069 --> 00:28:48.910control masks the true issue of rebellionfrom God. Yeah, so much of38800:28:49.269 --> 00:28:55.670the freedom to have sex outside ofmarriage is because of birth control. Yeah,38900:28:55.710 --> 00:29:00.420it. It does make it easierto rebel against God in the issue39000:29:00.460 --> 00:29:03.940of sexual purity. Yeah, Imean, you think about it, we're39100:29:03.940 --> 00:29:07.380a peel popping society. We gotappeal for everything, right, everything that39200:29:07.500 --> 00:29:11.329we do, we've got some kindof peal that can make it all better.39300:29:12.089 --> 00:29:17.089And obviously that's not the it's notthe will of God. All right,39400:29:18.410 --> 00:29:22.849again, children are blessing. Yeah, and when there's no I don't39500:29:22.849 --> 00:29:25.599know how to say this, butthere's no consequences, we can pop up39600:29:25.640 --> 00:29:27.960pill to get rid of the consequencesof anything that we do or to chield39700:29:29.000 --> 00:29:33.480us from consequences. And sex outsideof marriage. The consequence sometimes can be39800:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.880that you get pregnant, right,and there's a child that you have to39900:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.910be responsible for. Yeah, takeaway that a consequence. And it's like40000:29:41.230 --> 00:29:45.069this whole free love movement and theBirth Control Movement really have coincided with one40100:29:45.109 --> 00:29:52.380another, and the birth control movementgave fuel to the fire for the glute40200:29:52.460 --> 00:29:56.819freelove movement. And all the otherjunk that came with that. And then,40300:29:56.859 --> 00:30:00.539ultimately, for abortion. Yeah,because when birth control fails, abortion40400:30:00.619 --> 00:30:04.339becomes the final birth control. Yeah, it prevents the the birth of that40500:30:04.460 --> 00:30:08.730child. But so, yeah,with with birth control came the sexual revolution.40600:30:10.170 --> 00:30:14.329And but you know, and itbrought so many, in the the40700:30:15.410 --> 00:30:18.970eyes of the world, so manybenefits for women. And yet look at40800:30:19.009 --> 00:30:25.960what it also brought. Increased numberof teens being sexually active, and most40900:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.960people would agree that's really not agood thing on so many levels. Yeah,41000:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.990increased pregnancy out of wedlock, theonslaught of stds, those were basically41100:30:36.109 --> 00:30:40.789nonexistent before this sect. Well,that's not quite true. There was syphilis41200:30:40.950 --> 00:30:45.630before the big sexual revolution, butbut now there's a whole host of new41300:30:45.349 --> 00:30:52.660sexually transmitted diseases. And and soit went from we went from the thought41400:30:52.859 --> 00:31:02.819of Birth Control Liberating women to abortionbeing a valid choice and to really what41500:31:03.059 --> 00:31:08.769God says about sexual purity outside ofmarriage is old. Yeah, and we41600:31:08.890 --> 00:31:14.890don't need to abide by those ina modern society with all these ways of41700:31:15.089 --> 00:31:18.880taking care of the bad the problems. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.41800:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.720So, and another thing that Ithought this was really interesting I got a41900:31:23.759 --> 00:31:29.240few statistics that really again shocked meas I read this. In one thousand42000:31:29.240 --> 00:31:34.630nineteen hundred six percent of unmarried womenwere sexually active. In nineteen ninety nine42100:31:36.349 --> 00:31:41.789that increased to seventy five percent.Well, and this is, you know,42200:31:41.069 --> 00:31:47.259outside of marriage. Seventy that's staggering. Yeah, that's really disturbing.42300:31:47.779 --> 00:31:52.980And even more disturbing is, ratherthan reducing the extra marital pregnancy rate,42400:31:53.059 --> 00:31:59.900which is what this birth control wassupposed to do, it actually has increased.42500:32:00.980 --> 00:32:06.210So in the the statistic that theycite is that the share of all42600:32:06.289 --> 00:32:13.210pregnancy outside of marriage has increased fromtwo percent in the S to thirty three42700:32:13.329 --> 00:32:20.319percent in the nineteen ninety nine.So birth control has not decreased extra marital42800:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.640pregnancy, it is increased it.Yeah, it makes sense. Everybody is42900:32:23.799 --> 00:32:30.710now seventy five percent of unmarried peopleare engaged in sexual activity outside of marriage.43000:32:30.710 --> 00:32:35.750Yeah, yeah, so all thesenumbers just help us to understand kind43100:32:35.789 --> 00:32:39.309of the floodgate being opened up rightwith this whole sexual revolution. Again,43200:32:39.349 --> 00:32:45.019the these the sexual revolution and thebirth control movement coincide with one another.43300:32:45.539 --> 00:32:49.500We're not going to get in depthas far as the Margaret Singer in the43400:32:49.539 --> 00:32:52.339birth control league and all that stuff. Yeah, just really wanted to equip43500:32:52.420 --> 00:32:57.619you guys and spur you guys tothink more biblically about this, think more43600:32:57.700 --> 00:33:02.890biblically about children and the value ofchildren, but also birth control, just43700:33:04.009 --> 00:33:07.930in general, the mindsets, butjust practically the effect that it could potentially43800:33:07.970 --> 00:33:10.849have on ending the life of ababy. So again, that we have43900:33:10.970 --> 00:33:15.440a biblical perspective on this, thatwe ourselves to our lives right, we44000:33:15.559 --> 00:33:20.599have to. The Bible says,remove the log from your eye so that44100:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.640you can help your brother remove thespeck from his eye. So if we're44200:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.430going along and we're talking about howevil it is for people to view children44300:33:28.470 --> 00:33:32.349as property, and yet we ourselvesare embracing this birth control mindset where children44400:33:32.349 --> 00:33:36.150are really, in our minds,just a burden and we're willing to take44500:33:36.230 --> 00:33:38.349pills that are potentially going to endthe life of a baby in the womb44600:33:38.390 --> 00:33:42.339ourselves. Who really got to getthe log out of our own eye first?44700:33:42.380 --> 00:33:45.980We got to examine our hearts beforeGod first, and then we can44800:33:45.059 --> 00:33:50.299help others right, see clearly,to get the speck out of their eye.44900:33:50.619 --> 00:33:53.420Yeah, Amen. And so justencouraging you guys again to think about45000:33:53.420 --> 00:33:58.410this biblically. Maybe you've got somepushback on this, maybe you've got a45100:33:58.450 --> 00:34:00.970different perspective than we do. Wecertainly would love to hear your perspective.45200:34:01.369 --> 00:34:05.690You can reach out to me Danielat Love Life Dot Org. He reached45300:34:06.009 --> 00:34:08.210her at Vicky at Love Life DotOrg. This is again not intended to45400:34:08.809 --> 00:34:13.599bring guilt and condemnation all that,but just just spur you guys to love45500:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.599and good works. Right. It'sjust spur you guys to think biblically.45600:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.320So if you've got questions about this, if you've got things to add,45700:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.989maybe, I don't know, maybethere's an expert about birth control out there45800:34:24.110 --> 00:34:29.110that could give us some better perspectiveor something like that. We would certainly45900:34:29.150 --> 00:34:31.670love to bring them on, whateverthat looks like. Bring them on zoom46000:34:31.710 --> 00:34:36.429or come here the office and recording. If you know somebody like that,46100:34:36.550 --> 00:34:38.059reach out to us. Let usknow. But we hope this has been46200:34:38.099 --> 00:34:40.659an encouragement. Do you guys?Hope this has been a challenge to you46300:34:40.780 --> 00:34:47.219guys? And with that we willwrap this thing up. So God bless46400:34:47.260 --> 00:34:54.730you guys and we'll talk to youlater. Give me our love for love.46500:34:59.329 --> 00:35:07.920Give me our love for gratitude.I know it will cost me my46600:35:07.239 --> 00:35:15.639life. Nothing's too precious, andsome that you