May 21, 2020

Is It Appropriate For Men To Minister To Abortion-minded Women?

Is It Appropriate For Men To Minister To Abortion-minded Women?

Some view abortion as solely a women's issue and believe that it's really not a man's place to reach out to abortion-minded women. There's a question of whether or not men can even be effective in this area of ministry. What does the Bible say about...


Some view abortion as solely a women's issue and believe that it's really not a man's place to reach out to abortion-minded women. There's a question of whether or not men can even be effective in this area of ministry. What does the Bible say about all of this? Join us as we share from the scriptures and our experience on this topic.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.759 I just don't know if it's appropriate for men to be out there in speaking 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:08.390 to women about women's issues. I Am Yours, I am yours, I 3 00:00:08.990 --> 00:00:13.390 am your. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Is Abortions just 4 00:00:13.550 --> 00:00:17.989 a woman's issue? Is it appropriate for men to Minister to abortion minded women? 5 00:00:18.350 --> 00:00:21.820 Join us as we look at this scripturally and share an awesome testimony at 6 00:00:21.820 --> 00:00:28.739 the end. Stay tuned. Send Me Lord, Send Me Lord. I 7 00:00:29.059 --> 00:00:43.130 felt show passis touch your use me love. He there. This is the 8 00:00:43.289 --> 00:00:47.890 Gospel centered pro life podcast. Welcome everybody, and today we're going to talk 9 00:00:47.929 --> 00:00:55.079 about a common thing that we face when we are working out on the sidewalk 10 00:00:55.119 --> 00:01:00.280 or in pro life ministry, which is is it appropriate for men to Minister 11 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:06.670 to abortion determined women? Yes, a lot of folks that will say no, 12 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:10.269 though. You hear it all the time from the socalled pro choice people 13 00:01:10.430 --> 00:01:15.790 that you don't ever uterus, you're not allowed to speak about abortion. Yeah, 14 00:01:15.870 --> 00:01:19.420 yeah, you hear that, not just from pro abortion people, to 15 00:01:19.540 --> 00:01:23.459 hear that from even some pro lifers. I've had folks say that. You 16 00:01:23.579 --> 00:01:26.099 know, guys say that. I'd like to be out there. I just 17 00:01:26.140 --> 00:01:27.859 don't know if it's appropriate for men right, right, be out there in 18 00:01:27.900 --> 00:01:32.579 speaking to women about out women's issues. Yeah, there's a way, some 19 00:01:32.620 --> 00:01:34.730 people will say, and honestly, even to be fair, as as we 20 00:01:34.890 --> 00:01:40.769 train our new volunteers, we do say that in most cases we feel it's 21 00:01:40.969 --> 00:01:45.250 most effective for women to Minister to the women, yeah, and men to 22 00:01:45.290 --> 00:01:49.519 speak to the men. But I think since I have been doing little bit 23 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:55.040 of research for this podcast, I may have come to a different conclusion. 24 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.840 Yeah, well, we certainly believe in practice, but also, of course, 25 00:01:59.959 --> 00:02:05.750 biblically, that it's not only appropriate for men to Minister in this capacity, 26 00:02:06.469 --> 00:02:08.550 it's biblical to do so. So we believe that. But you know, 27 00:02:08.590 --> 00:02:13.830 there is some wisdom and certain certainly we don't abandon that wisdom. As 28 00:02:13.990 --> 00:02:16.659 far as when a man's coming into the abortion center, they'll say he's brought 29 00:02:16.740 --> 00:02:22.419 his girlfriend there and he's coming out of the abortion center and he's going to 30 00:02:22.460 --> 00:02:23.939 sit in his car or whatever. For a woman to call out and say 31 00:02:24.020 --> 00:02:28.620 hey, be a man and get back in there typically not as effective, 32 00:02:28.699 --> 00:02:32.610 not as well received from a woman to a man. Yeah, typically we 33 00:02:32.930 --> 00:02:38.569 prefer from men to minister to men and that contacts. But well, another 34 00:02:38.610 --> 00:02:42.569 example is, like I share with you before we started this podcast. If 35 00:02:42.610 --> 00:02:46.960 a woman is walking down the sidewalk, she's more vulnerable than if she's driving 36 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.280 in in a vehicle and it could be more intimidating if I were to go 37 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.960 up an approach. Not to say I won't a wheel, and I have, 38 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:58.789 but if there's a woman there that can get over to her that's as 39 00:02:58.870 --> 00:03:00.909 she's walking down the side walk coming into the abortion center, I'm going to 40 00:03:00.990 --> 00:03:04.069 say, hey, Google them, talk to her. Yeah, if there's 41 00:03:04.069 --> 00:03:07.469 no one else available, maybe someone that's not very well trained, someone's kind 42 00:03:07.469 --> 00:03:10.870 of new, I'll go and I'll approach and I'll do you everything I'd normally 43 00:03:10.870 --> 00:03:14.860 do as I'm approaching a woman going in. But I think there's some wisdom 44 00:03:14.900 --> 00:03:16.860 that we can use so that we're not being intimidating. I mean, the 45 00:03:16.939 --> 00:03:21.219 goal is we want to have a conversation with these women and we want to 46 00:03:21.300 --> 00:03:23.780 remove any barriers that would be there. Sure, and so if me being 47 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:27.849 a man would be a barrier, potentially, I want to try to remove 48 00:03:27.889 --> 00:03:30.650 that in as much as I'm able to just use in wisdom. Yeah, 49 00:03:30.810 --> 00:03:35.090 and one of the things that I did is I was thinking about this podcast, 50 00:03:35.370 --> 00:03:38.969 was I did a little bit of research into some of the facts about 51 00:03:39.050 --> 00:03:47.919 the women who are coming for an abortion and how those truths affect whether they 52 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:53.479 would best receive ministering from a man or for a woman. Yeah, for 53 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.789 example, I think all of us have seen this. Many, if not 54 00:03:59.110 --> 00:04:04.389 most, abortion minded women come from broken and even abusive relationships. Yeah, 55 00:04:04.469 --> 00:04:10.780 they come. They come from families without father's, either a completely absent father 56 00:04:10.819 --> 00:04:16.420 or a father who is sometimes in prison or in addiction or negligent and yet 57 00:04:16.540 --> 00:04:23.100 some way or absently right or or outright abusive. And so the article specifically 58 00:04:23.180 --> 00:04:27.410 that I that I got some of my facts from, we will post in 59 00:04:27.970 --> 00:04:31.370 in an article that we're going to post on our sidewalks for life website. 60 00:04:32.449 --> 00:04:42.439 But a peer reviewed study of abortion minded women found that a fourth of the 61 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:48.120 women who abort, a fourth are in abusive relationships. Yeah, so knowing 62 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:54.230 that, just knowing that, you know that that woman is likely perceiving a 63 00:04:54.629 --> 00:05:01.189 man with jaded eyes. They're seeing men in in and not a good light. 64 00:05:01.269 --> 00:05:08.339 Yeah, and we're going to talk later on more about how men can 65 00:05:08.420 --> 00:05:15.220 overcome that and the approach to how they approach the woman has to be very 66 00:05:15.379 --> 00:05:19.939 careful. Yeah, but but I think that's part of the reason for why 67 00:05:20.449 --> 00:05:26.689 we so often hear that that a man should not minister to an abortion minded 68 00:05:26.730 --> 00:05:30.529 woman. And there is certainly validity and there yes, well, you know, 69 00:05:30.569 --> 00:05:35.279 if you're dealing with women who have had aggressive men in their lives and 70 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:41.759 in their experience, and let's let's face as far as aggression goes, if 71 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.680 you do a comparison of whether or not this percentage of men or more aggressive 72 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.639 than this percentage of women, I mean the prison population shows just that men 73 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.949 typically are more aggressive, and so that's the perception, and so we have 74 00:05:54.029 --> 00:05:57.949 to understand that perception with the women that we're ministering to. Not only is 75 00:05:58.029 --> 00:06:01.029 it just a general act that men are more aggressive, we're dealing with a 76 00:06:01.149 --> 00:06:05.579 population of women who have been involved with or had men in their lives who 77 00:06:05.579 --> 00:06:11.379 were more aggressive. Yeah, and literally harmed in various ways. And Yeah, 78 00:06:11.379 --> 00:06:15.379 we're coerced into the abortion exactly. So whatever. That's why it is 79 00:06:15.459 --> 00:06:19.529 important that we keep these things in our minds. It shouldn't be a deterrent 80 00:06:19.569 --> 00:06:23.089 from US minishing, and that's one of the things. One of the lies 81 00:06:23.170 --> 00:06:27.610 we want to tear down right away is that is it appropriate for men to 82 00:06:27.689 --> 00:06:32.000 minister to abortion minded women. Yes, it is absolutely appropriate. It is 83 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.000 the call of God for us. So we're given away the punch line, 84 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:41.240 were Anne, and so I'll say, yes, it's appropriate and it's necessary, 85 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:45.079 but there are some things that we need to consider in this, and 86 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.149 that's really the meat of what we're talking about. Exactly, exactly. Another 87 00:06:48.550 --> 00:06:57.629 fact of abortion minded women is that one in three children in America live in 88 00:06:57.750 --> 00:07:01.019 a fatherless home. Yes, so there's no male role model at all. 89 00:07:01.220 --> 00:07:08.100 Yeah, and in one out of three families. So these women are coming 90 00:07:08.660 --> 00:07:17.329 with very likely abusive or aggressive relationships with men and then like ful, yes, 91 00:07:17.889 --> 00:07:23.089 exactly, and then with really no role model of what a godly man 92 00:07:23.370 --> 00:07:27.970 or a father, yeah, would would look like. So it would be, 93 00:07:28.209 --> 00:07:30.240 I think, very safe to conclude that there would be trust issues. 94 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.240 Absolutely so, if we want to be effective, and that's all, that's, 95 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.639 of course, always primary in in our we want to first of all 96 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.600 represent God, but we also do want to be effective and in saving these 97 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:45.910 babies and reaching these MOMS, and if if they don't trust us, then 98 00:07:46.430 --> 00:07:48.149 you're probably not going to be a fact. Yeah, and that's maybe a 99 00:07:48.230 --> 00:07:54.430 subject for a whole other podcast, but the issue of trust is an important 100 00:07:54.470 --> 00:07:57.910 one and so just to lay it out just real succinctly, if I can, 101 00:07:58.860 --> 00:08:03.779 women are coming to abortion clinics because they trust that abortion, that the 102 00:08:03.819 --> 00:08:07.540 abortion clinic, that the abortionist, is going to fix what's broken in their 103 00:08:07.579 --> 00:08:09.740 life. There's a certain amount of trust. Now, of course we know 104 00:08:09.860 --> 00:08:16.170 it's it's a mixed in with all these different components, but there is an 105 00:08:16.290 --> 00:08:18.569 issue of trust where they even invested trust. I mean they've got the money 106 00:08:18.610 --> 00:08:22.089 in their hand, they've made the appointment, they've invested trust in that abortion 107 00:08:22.170 --> 00:08:26.649 clinic, so much so that they're going to go in there and submit themselves 108 00:08:26.689 --> 00:08:31.120 to to a very invasive procedure, put themselves in the most vulnerable position that 109 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.200 woman could be in, physically undressed from the waist down, feed up in 110 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.360 this stir hips. I mean now to get to graphic about it, but 111 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.669 that's the reality of it. And so they've placed their trust in abortion to 112 00:08:41.750 --> 00:08:46.509 the point where they're willing to do certain things to to convey that trust. 113 00:08:46.710 --> 00:08:50.950 Right. What we're trying to do with sidewalk counselors and man or woman sidewalk 114 00:08:50.990 --> 00:08:54.789 counselors. We're trying to get them and convince them, Hey, the trust 115 00:08:54.830 --> 00:08:58.899 that you put in that abortion clinic don't invest your trust. They are invest 116 00:08:58.940 --> 00:09:01.379 your trust us here, and ultimately it's in the Lord. Yeah, but 117 00:09:01.460 --> 00:09:05.139 it's also in us. I mean we're representatives of God, and so we 118 00:09:05.259 --> 00:09:09.490 want them to trust rather than the abortion clinic, we want them to trust 119 00:09:09.490 --> 00:09:13.409 us, and so that's the attitude we need to understand that we've got to 120 00:09:13.490 --> 00:09:16.850 come with. This is a trust thing. Ultimately, again, we want 121 00:09:16.889 --> 00:09:20.210 to turn them to trust the Lord. You know, trust in the Lord 122 00:09:20.250 --> 00:09:22.929 with all of your heart, as the scripture I use on a regular basis. 123 00:09:22.049 --> 00:09:28.080 Yeah, and so anything that that we might do, any disposition we 124 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.039 might have that would compromise that trust we need to be careful for. Yeah, 125 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.480 I agree totally. And and to piggyback off of that thought to even 126 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:43.429 a deeper level, when you said ultimately we want them to put their trust 127 00:09:43.629 --> 00:09:48.710 in God. Well, think of that. Their role model of their earthly 128 00:09:48.750 --> 00:09:54.580 father is very distorted, yeah, or absent or very negative. And so 129 00:09:54.899 --> 00:10:01.539 what we're ultimately as a gospel focused pro life ministry, we are ultimately asking 130 00:10:01.620 --> 00:10:05.940 them to put their trust in God, but their image of God is often 131 00:10:07.570 --> 00:10:11.889 distorted by the image of who their earth earthly father was, and so that 132 00:10:13.210 --> 00:10:18.090 is one of the things that I think makes the necessity of a godly man 133 00:10:18.529 --> 00:10:24.360 out on the sidewalk speaking life and being a role model of what a man, 134 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.799 as God designed him to be, a protector. Yeah, women and 135 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.679 children, and that is a really critical picture for them. Police say. 136 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.190 Yes, so almost in one sense we're we're talking about the positives and the 137 00:10:39.269 --> 00:10:41.470 negatives, right. So, yeah, it's we need to be careful the 138 00:10:41.549 --> 00:10:46.909 way that we we come across and that sort of thing. But because the 139 00:10:46.990 --> 00:10:48.549 way we come across could have a negative impact, they may not stop and 140 00:10:48.669 --> 00:10:52.019 talk that they reject what we're saying. Yeah, but also it can have 141 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:58.419 a very positive impact when we come in a humble but also in a protective 142 00:10:58.899 --> 00:11:03.379 demeanor. Those things are important and in the the body language and all that 143 00:11:03.500 --> 00:11:05.730 stuff, and people pick up on that, and so that's why we need 144 00:11:05.769 --> 00:11:09.250 to be intentional and that sort of thing. I mean it's just simply put 145 00:11:09.529 --> 00:11:13.409 again, man or a woman, we need to have an approachable demeanor, 146 00:11:13.889 --> 00:11:16.450 we need to have a smile in our face, not to be all gruff 147 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.080 and he is an abortion clinic. We're doing, you know, abortion clinic 148 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.360 ministry. Right, it's hard to have a smile on your face because the 149 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:30.279 killing children in there. But we need to because the demeanor on our face 150 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.070 and the body language goes a long way. But I will say, especially 151 00:11:33.750 --> 00:11:37.070 for men when we're trying to reach women going into the abortion clinic, I 152 00:11:37.230 --> 00:11:43.149 mean our our disposition, our demeanor, goes a long way to help get 153 00:11:43.269 --> 00:11:48.379 some of that trust right. Right. You know, they have certainly experienced 154 00:11:48.860 --> 00:11:56.500 shaming, coercion, anger and even abuse at the hands of men. Quite 155 00:11:56.740 --> 00:12:00.700 off and not always, but quite often. That's the story that that I 156 00:12:01.179 --> 00:12:03.769 certainly hear from the women who talk with us. So that's the last thing 157 00:12:03.769 --> 00:12:07.450 they should see. Few men that are yeah, you know, it's not 158 00:12:07.610 --> 00:12:11.289 like when we're talking about this, it's not like we're coming I mean statistics 159 00:12:11.409 --> 00:12:13.649 and reading articles. Is Fine, we should do that, but we're not 160 00:12:13.769 --> 00:12:18.440 just coming from something we've read. This is experience. You know, I've 161 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.840 been out there for fifteen years. Yeah, you've been out there for seven, 162 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:26.159 seven, now, seven years, and talked to probably, I mean 163 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.710 hundreds, maybe thousands, of women coming into the abortion center in various ways, 164 00:12:31.149 --> 00:12:35.149 either talking to them as they're walking up or as a pull over and 165 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.110 talk or on the mobile ultrasound unit, we're able to get more in depth 166 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.909 talking to them afterwards on the phone. You know, I've been involved in 167 00:12:41.070 --> 00:12:46.179 situations, in family situations. was some of the moms that have chosen life 168 00:12:46.220 --> 00:12:48.379 and I've seen some of the difficulties, some of the struggles, but I 169 00:12:48.539 --> 00:12:52.940 also seen some of what God will use to try to, you know, 170 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:56.659 to break into that situation, using myself and other men to break into those 171 00:12:56.700 --> 00:13:01.330 situations and really bring truth and life, not just for the baby but for 172 00:13:01.409 --> 00:13:05.610 the mom as well. Yeah, so we're speaking from from experience and what 173 00:13:05.690 --> 00:13:07.610 God has done. We'll get into a little bit more of that later on. 174 00:13:07.889 --> 00:13:13.759 Yeah, and of course, as in all of our Gospel Centered Prolife 175 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:20.320 podcast, we turn to the Bible, yeah, for truth. And so 176 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:26.149 the Bible is, of course, filled with evidence that men ministered to women 177 00:13:28.309 --> 00:13:33.629 and women an insexual sin. Yeah, I would consider abortion sexual sin and 178 00:13:33.070 --> 00:13:37.669 well, and the result of sexual sin, certain abortions, is the results 179 00:13:37.710 --> 00:13:41.220 of sexual sin a lot of times, and you know, unfortunately, many, 180 00:13:41.259 --> 00:13:46.500 many, many of the situations that we speak to that we experience are 181 00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:50.899 women and men who were having sex outside of marriage. I mean, if 182 00:13:52.340 --> 00:13:56.289 if sex outside of marriage didn't exist, abortion likely would not exist. Right, 183 00:13:56.330 --> 00:13:58.090 right. That's the reality of it, and so that's why it's important 184 00:13:58.129 --> 00:14:03.370 that we bring that into the equation. Biblically speaking. Yeah, do men 185 00:14:03.450 --> 00:14:09.080 in the Bible Ever Address Women in sexual sin situations and difficult situations like what 186 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:15.039 we encounter at the abortion centers? Yeah, and and of course the prime 187 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.519 model of that is Jesus. Yeah, we are to we are to model 188 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.440 our lives after Jesus. Men and women are to model our lives after Jesus. 189 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:31.950 But Jesus Ministers to women so often in the Bible, and always they 190 00:14:31.990 --> 00:14:35.070 are women. Well, not always, most of the time they are. 191 00:14:35.269 --> 00:14:39.299 They are women that are involved in some sort of sin, if not sexual 192 00:14:39.340 --> 00:14:41.899 sin. Yeah, and how he ministers to them, I think, is 193 00:14:43.220 --> 00:14:48.340 just really telling and and helpful. I think so for us. But we're 194 00:14:48.379 --> 00:14:54.009 going to go over some specific examples of when Jesus Ministers to women, and 195 00:14:54.169 --> 00:14:58.169 it's not a comprehensive list at all, but it's it'll give a sense of 196 00:14:58.289 --> 00:15:01.929 how often and he does minister to women. And one of the things which 197 00:15:01.929 --> 00:15:07.200 maybe you can speak more knowledgeably than me to is just that women were not 198 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:15.879 considered as valuable or worthy as men and just the mere fact that Jesus would 199 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:22.190 stoop to talk to women was unusual. Yeah, in the absolutely I mean 200 00:15:22.669 --> 00:15:26.230 John Chapter Four, the woman of Samaria, the woman at the whale. 201 00:15:26.269 --> 00:15:30.870 I mean not only the Jesus kind of breach cultural norms about talking to a 202 00:15:30.990 --> 00:15:35.779 woman, but talking to a woman who had so many husbands and pretty promiscuous, 203 00:15:35.820 --> 00:15:41.740 yeah, it seemed, and also a Samaritan at that, and enemy 204 00:15:41.779 --> 00:15:46.340 of the Jews. Yeah. Yeah, so Jesus breaches all those cultural norms. 205 00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:50.610 Yeah, boss speaking to this woman and he speaks some some really important 206 00:15:50.649 --> 00:15:52.730 truth to her and she ends up. We talked about this in previous podcasts. 207 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:58.009 Awesome Pastors Scriptures who probably touch on it throughout. It's so appropriate this 208 00:15:58.250 --> 00:16:02.850 for our party is it is. But she goes and she's an evangelist for 209 00:16:03.210 --> 00:16:07.679 for Jesus in that sense in her city. Right. So it is appropriate. 210 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.759 We see in that passage. That's probably one of the passage that is 211 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:14.360 it's one that that will mention. So we're going to go over the specific 212 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.120 examples, but some of the guiding principles. I think it's always good to 213 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.750 kind of give a gist of what are the main points that are raised in 214 00:16:22.789 --> 00:16:26.549 these passages, and these are the things I came up with. Maybe you'll 215 00:16:26.590 --> 00:16:30.029 come up with other ones. But number one, Jesus. His goal in 216 00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:34.379 ministrying to women, women is always to point them to the heavenly father. 217 00:16:34.539 --> 00:16:40.740 Yeah, I'Ms Always. Number two, his method is always conviction, not 218 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:44.820 condemnation, and in fact he says I come not to condemn but to save. 219 00:16:44.899 --> 00:16:47.970 Yeah, so, but he does want to convict and he does convict. 220 00:16:48.210 --> 00:16:51.490 He uses truth to convict, but but I think, notably not to 221 00:16:51.649 --> 00:16:56.649 condemn. Number three, he always values them as people, no matter how 222 00:16:56.929 --> 00:17:02.039 serious their sin is. He always addresses them. Yeah, as, as 223 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.519 you know, say, human beings absolutely and valuable. Not Getting off the 224 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:11.000 track too much, but Jesus Ministry was marked by the fact that he had 225 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:17.750 women in his company of disciples. I mean, there weren't any of the 226 00:17:17.829 --> 00:17:22.829 apostles weren't women. We know that, but there were several women that came 227 00:17:22.869 --> 00:17:26.069 along with Jesus, and we see that throughout all of the Gospels. Yep, 228 00:17:26.269 --> 00:17:30.900 Jesus did not exclude women from his ministry, didn't exclude them from ministering 229 00:17:30.940 --> 00:17:34.779 to them, but also he didn't exclude them from following him and learning from 230 00:17:34.779 --> 00:17:37.579 him and all of that in the upper room. Yeah, when the Holy 231 00:17:37.579 --> 00:17:41.900 Spirit came down, this is after Jesus, course, was crucified and resurrected 232 00:17:41.980 --> 00:17:45.210 and ascended to heaven. The Holy Spirit came down, there were women in 233 00:17:45.250 --> 00:17:49.009 the midst there. Yeah, and so Jesus Ministry was marked by and even 234 00:17:49.009 --> 00:17:55.569 the Apostles Ministry. My quiet time before the Lord in the mornings. Lately 235 00:17:55.609 --> 00:17:57.599 I've been reading the book of acts and all through the book of acts you 236 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:02.920 see that there were notable women that came through the Ministry of Paul and the 237 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.119 apostles. Yeah, and so women certainly were a part of the ministry and 238 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:12.829 certainly men in Jesus time, though maybe not normally, would reach out to 239 00:18:12.910 --> 00:18:17.990 women. Jesus certainly did. The apostle certainly did, because the Gospel, 240 00:18:18.230 --> 00:18:21.029 you know, Paul says at one point there's neither male nor female. Doesn't 241 00:18:21.029 --> 00:18:23.630 mean they're all the male and female distinctions are removed, but it does mean 242 00:18:23.710 --> 00:18:27.740 that the Gospel is for everybody. Yeah, and they so. Yeah, 243 00:18:27.740 --> 00:18:33.859 I mean that's that's shown forth in Jesus Ministry. Yeah, the fourth kind 244 00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:38.500 of guiding principle that I leaned from going over these was that that Jesus always 245 00:18:38.660 --> 00:18:44.569 offers a better way with a positive outcome, and that kind of goes along 246 00:18:44.569 --> 00:18:51.130 with condemnation. It's not condemnation. There is a game plan and alternative and 247 00:18:51.250 --> 00:18:53.650 that alternative is a very positive one and it, you know, just a 248 00:18:53.809 --> 00:18:59.039 kind of as a side note, I think men are kind of wired differently 249 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.519 and then women, and that men are wired, I believe, to solve 250 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.640 problems. They're not so much into talking, yeah, the way women are, 251 00:19:10.430 --> 00:19:12.829 but they at my husband is, of a great example of that. 252 00:19:12.910 --> 00:19:17.269 There are times I just want to vent, but he wants to solve. 253 00:19:17.309 --> 00:19:21.349 Right, yeah, but in the case of in front of an abortion center, 254 00:19:21.990 --> 00:19:23.859 that's not a bad thing to have, not at all. Someone who's 255 00:19:23.900 --> 00:19:27.740 got a solution who's going to point you, because Jesus did. Jesus just 256 00:19:27.819 --> 00:19:33.380 didn't spend a lot of time, like with the touchy Feeley Chatting. He 257 00:19:33.500 --> 00:19:37.730 spent a lot of time about this is what's wrong, this is what's right, 258 00:19:38.130 --> 00:19:41.809 and here is where it leads to this positive outcome. Yeah. So 259 00:19:42.329 --> 00:19:49.609 the fifth thing is that he always loves unconditionally, without compromising the expectation of 260 00:19:49.730 --> 00:19:56.160 repentance and resulting change to behavior. So it sounds like we're being very careful. 261 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.799 The same man should not be too aggressive or certainly not abusive, but 262 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.640 we're not saying that they should refrain from both these speaking the truth. Yeah, 263 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:08.109 I mean the one example that comes to mind for me, which is 264 00:20:08.390 --> 00:20:11.269 again probably another one of the strangers are you going to touch on, is 265 00:20:11.309 --> 00:20:15.390 a woman that was called an adultery, right exactly, and Jesus came to 266 00:20:15.470 --> 00:20:21.150 her defense in the sense that he told those who wanted to stone her to 267 00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:23.259 death he was without sin cast the first stone. So he sort of turn 268 00:20:23.339 --> 00:20:26.539 it around on them. Yeah, but he didn't. I mean, he 269 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:30.500 wasn't some effeminate Pansy. They didn't point out the truth, right, he 270 00:20:30.660 --> 00:20:34.259 said it was no way condoned. It does where your keysers? You know 271 00:20:34.339 --> 00:20:37.769 where to be found. Okay, and he tells her go and send. 272 00:20:37.849 --> 00:20:41.970 No more so if heat knowledges her sin, he doesn't just say well, 273 00:20:41.089 --> 00:20:45.329 no big deal, keep on you keep only keeping on. No, he 274 00:20:45.410 --> 00:20:48.650 pointed out her sin and told her to stop doing it. Yeah, and 275 00:20:48.809 --> 00:20:52.319 he did it, you know, he did it so succinctly. there. 276 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.720 He didn't, like waste a lot of words, but in those few words, 277 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.079 go and send, no more, he exposed it as sin. He 278 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.150 told her to turn from it, basically to repent, and he said go 279 00:21:04.630 --> 00:21:08.190 now move on with your life. All in what seven words? How many 280 00:21:08.230 --> 00:21:12.430 women can do that right? Yeah, well, just in general, I 281 00:21:12.509 --> 00:21:15.670 think men tend to be less wordy. Jesus, I think that. I 282 00:21:15.789 --> 00:21:21.019 think it was not wordy. Yeah, he but one of the things we're 283 00:21:21.059 --> 00:21:23.380 talking about, just like we talked about a couple of PODCASTS, to go 284 00:21:23.420 --> 00:21:27.660 about how the body of Christ works together. They're different components and in different 285 00:21:27.740 --> 00:21:32.180 folks with different giftings and different callings and all that sort of thing, and 286 00:21:32.220 --> 00:21:36.849 God uses all that in the same way. God uses both men and women 287 00:21:37.369 --> 00:21:41.170 on the sidewalks to Minister to abortion mounded women, in our different strengths, 288 00:21:41.329 --> 00:21:47.089 in our different weaknesses. Yeah, I think probably, because I think it 289 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.640 would be inappropriate for a man to go on board the mobiltra sound unit with 290 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.400 a woman and get the ultra sound on their hands on dress. So yeah, 291 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:57.799 exactly. That will be totally inappropriate. However, just the scenario itself 292 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.910 might not be a scenario in which men will thrive. Thrive so well, 293 00:22:03.990 --> 00:22:07.589 because that's when you do get into the meat of the things and you're not 294 00:22:07.670 --> 00:22:11.549 just given solutions, you're talking about the situations, you're hearing them out and 295 00:22:11.630 --> 00:22:14.549 all that. You get more in depth with the conversations. Well, that's 296 00:22:14.589 --> 00:22:17.619 a good point, because a big part of the RV experience where we bring 297 00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:19.859 the women on to show them then I'll just sounded their baby, is that 298 00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:23.900 we listen to that huge, really important. Yes, you build a relationship 299 00:22:23.980 --> 00:22:29.299 and you hear them so that they feel heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 300 00:22:29.299 --> 00:22:30.690 and it's not to say that of course we don't want to brawl brush. 301 00:22:30.930 --> 00:22:33.809 Some men are more inclined to want to talk at length than others, 302 00:22:33.890 --> 00:22:37.329 but it does seem to be a pretty general principle that men want to fix 303 00:22:37.490 --> 00:22:41.049 things. I mean that's the case for me. The Lord has helped me 304 00:22:41.210 --> 00:22:47.759 tremendously, I think, through this ministry and through just learning from my wife 305 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.599 to listen, to be an ear and I don't always have to solve problems. 306 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:55.440 Sometimes I just need to listen. So but it does seem generally men 307 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.519 are just problem solvers. We hear a problem, yeah, you go here's 308 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:02.269 a plant. Yeah, and in this scenario it can be a good thing. 309 00:23:02.309 --> 00:23:06.390 That's right. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. So then 310 00:23:06.430 --> 00:23:08.509 the the last kind of guiding principle, and then maybe we could talk about 311 00:23:08.549 --> 00:23:15.539 some of those specific samples, is that Jesus often meets physical and other needs, 312 00:23:15.019 --> 00:23:21.019 but again always with the spiritual counterpart of the primary goal being a right 313 00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:26.369 relationship with God. So the men out there at an abortion center, Godly 314 00:23:26.490 --> 00:23:32.289 met pro life men on the sidewalk can be offering to meet the needs that 315 00:23:32.450 --> 00:23:36.690 these women have expressed, just as just like the women can offer that. 316 00:23:37.289 --> 00:23:41.759 But the goal in both cases, and certainly in Jesus case, was that 317 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:48.119 always healing and meeting needs was to lead to a right relationship with God. 318 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.720 Yeah, and to keep redemption. The Ministry of a Sidewalk Counselor Ministry if 319 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.670 you guys listen, and minister in a pregnancy center, whatever context. Yeah, 320 00:23:56.750 --> 00:24:00.950 it's always he's redemptive. Yeah, I the desires always redemption. It's 321 00:24:00.950 --> 00:24:07.390 always to take a bad situation and allow God to redeem that situation. And 322 00:24:07.509 --> 00:24:12.380 of course that won't Happen Unless the Gospel is plainly laid out right, and 323 00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:17.259 that can be done in in a way that is not you know, you 324 00:24:17.299 --> 00:24:19.660 don't have to be overly aggressive to share the gospel. I mean, if 325 00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:23.099 you've ever seen, which you've encourage you guys in the past to do, 326 00:24:23.289 --> 00:24:27.329 is watch summer ray comforts videos. You don't see an aggressive man, you 327 00:24:27.450 --> 00:24:33.730 know, you see Ray Comfort Sharing the gospel very, very forthrightly, but 328 00:24:33.849 --> 00:24:37.809 very tactfully and all that with men and women alike, and that's to me 329 00:24:37.890 --> 00:24:41.839 a good model of sharing the Gospel. Yeah, totally ID to some people 330 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.000 might have in their mind. Reason why I say that? Because some people 331 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.119 might have in their mind because they've seen videos on Youtube or whatever, if 332 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.279 people men in front of abortion clinics just being like, I guess, overtly 333 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:56.589 aggressive and just calling out sin and whatever people. I'm not going to. 334 00:24:56.789 --> 00:25:00.710 I'm not the critic of that, but don't be surprised if you do that. 335 00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:03.230 You know, if you stand on a stool in front of the abortion 336 00:25:03.269 --> 00:25:07.819 clinic like a street preacher, don't be surprised very few women come over and 337 00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:11.019 talk to you because you're not putting yourself in a position for them to actually 338 00:25:11.740 --> 00:25:14.500 come over and talk to you. God will, God will use I mean, 339 00:25:14.539 --> 00:25:17.259 God's word doesn't return void. God will use that, but preaching. 340 00:25:18.579 --> 00:25:22.569 So anyway, yeah, rabbit trail on that. Yeah, so let's get 341 00:25:22.569 --> 00:25:26.130 into some of the specifics. Maybe then some of when Jesus encounters women. 342 00:25:26.369 --> 00:25:32.410 Okay, how about Mark Twenty five to thirty four? Okay, that's the 343 00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:36.240 woman who has been sick with a bleeding disease, I believe. Okay, 344 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:41.759 yeah, for years and she touches his robe and in that passage she has 345 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.720 a significant health need. She's unclean, by the way, right the eyes 346 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.960 of Jewish law at the time, because she has this flow of blood and 347 00:25:49.109 --> 00:25:56.789 that made her unclean. So she should not have touched Jesus according to Jewish 348 00:25:56.829 --> 00:26:00.190 law. Oh Yeah, and I think it. Well, disciples, I 349 00:26:00.230 --> 00:26:03.109 can't remember if they rebuked her. No, no, they didn't rebuke. 350 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:07.900 Can Actually rebeat her? Actually, they sort of rebuke Jesus when Jesus said, 351 00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:08.740 and you know, he touched me, and they said, you ask 352 00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:12.180 who touched me, and there's a crowd, crowd around him. That's right, 353 00:26:12.579 --> 00:26:19.250 that's right. So, but he doesn't rebuke her and say why did 354 00:26:19.369 --> 00:26:22.970 you touch? You Break Jewish law. You touch me, a woman. 355 00:26:23.049 --> 00:26:26.890 What are you doing? Yeah, what's wrong with you? And in fact 356 00:26:26.890 --> 00:26:32.920 he commends her and says that her faith has saved her. Yeah, so 357 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:41.880 he looks at this desperate woman and he's gentle he's kind and even commends her 358 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:48.990 her attempt to be healed. Yeah, her a successful attend and it was 359 00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:55.750 successful, and I think that's a great model in in terms of what's happening 360 00:26:55.829 --> 00:27:00.740 out in front of the abortion center, in that he looks for the positive 361 00:27:00.819 --> 00:27:06.660 in a way. Yeah, he doesn't look at the obvious infraction of which 362 00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:10.900 there was in that time period. Yeah, but he looks for something that 363 00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:14.099 he commend her. Yes, a matter of fact, I read this is 364 00:27:14.180 --> 00:27:17.890 Mark Five, verse Thirty Four. Okay, and he is Jesus said to 365 00:27:18.009 --> 00:27:22.210 her, daughter, your faith has made you well go in peace and be 366 00:27:22.329 --> 00:27:26.250 healed of your affliction, and he addresses her as daughter. Yeah, and 367 00:27:26.369 --> 00:27:30.000 that's a powerful term of endearment there. He doesn't rebuke her again, like 368 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.440 you said, for breaking the Jewish law, because that would be she has 369 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.599 a flow of blood right, and she would be breaking because she's unclean. 370 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.559 Yeah, Jewish law, and him, being very God in the flesh who 371 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:48.549 established that law, could have rightly rebuked her, but he didn't. He 372 00:27:48.670 --> 00:27:51.990 says daughter, he calls her daughter, your faith has made you well go 373 00:27:52.269 --> 00:27:56.230 in peace and be healed of your affliction. Jesus meets her very graciously in 374 00:27:56.390 --> 00:28:00.099 that situation and immediately connects it to a spiritual it was her faith. Yeah, 375 00:28:00.180 --> 00:28:04.980 that made her well. Yeah, so not direct application what we're dealing 376 00:28:06.019 --> 00:28:07.740 with. As far as abortion minded women. They're coming with a quite a 377 00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:14.529 different disposition. But yet still it's notable that Jesus was gracious to her, 378 00:28:14.650 --> 00:28:18.529 even though she did, you know, break that one Jewish right. But 379 00:28:18.650 --> 00:28:23.289 there is another slight way that we could draw that even closer to the population 380 00:28:23.410 --> 00:28:30.000 of women coming to an abortion center, in that she was disdained and overlooked. 381 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.799 Yeah, because she was unclean. But Jesus breaks through those barriers. 382 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:40.440 And there are certainly people that just want to scream at abortion minded women. 383 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.750 Yeah, because they're doing something awful, and it is awful, it is 384 00:28:42.789 --> 00:28:48.910 ruful, absolutely, but but we need to look past that sometimes to how 385 00:28:48.990 --> 00:28:52.509 can we heal? Yeah, how can we help? Okay, how about 386 00:28:52.670 --> 00:28:56.819 the woman who was crippled and bent double by demons, and that's in luke 387 00:28:56.980 --> 00:29:03.420 thirteen versus ten to seventeen. So in that story, just in general, 388 00:29:03.539 --> 00:29:07.140 the woman has been crippled, it says, by evil spirits. Yeah, 389 00:29:07.819 --> 00:29:14.650 for eighteen years, and Jesus ultimately sets her free from her infirmity. Laying 390 00:29:14.769 --> 00:29:19.329 hands on her, she immediately straightens up and, as a result, praises 391 00:29:19.490 --> 00:29:26.039 God. So he meets her needs. The result is to draw her out 392 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.240 of evil control, these satanic she's bound by Satan. He says. She's 393 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.759 been bound by Satan for eighteen years, and then he delivers her to God. 394 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.240 And I would suggest that these abortion minded women are, in a sense 395 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.309 bound by Satan. Yeah, they've been bound by lies from the devil. 396 00:29:41.549 --> 00:29:47.269 Right. They've been bound by fear, which is a thing that we need 397 00:29:47.309 --> 00:29:52.230 to understand, and we read article about that on our sidewalks for lifeside, 398 00:29:52.230 --> 00:29:56.059 how women come under a spirit of fear. And so there's that spirit of 399 00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:59.779 fear they're under. So we need to come with that understanding for shore. 400 00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:06.380 Yeah, and and how Jesus deals with her is is he sets her free, 401 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:11.049 laying hands on her again, there's this this touch, a gentle and 402 00:30:11.210 --> 00:30:18.490 compassionate touch that again meets the needs, but it points her to God. 403 00:30:18.690 --> 00:30:22.960 And so the general principle, I think, for all men and all women 404 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:30.359 ministering at an abortion center is everything you do needs to ultimately keep pointing someone 405 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.559 compassionately, keep pointing them to God. Yeah, so the woman caught an 406 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:41.630 adultery. That's a big one. That's probably the one that most fits the 407 00:30:41.829 --> 00:30:45.430 parallel of what we face. Yeah, as in Pro Life Ministry. So 408 00:30:45.549 --> 00:30:51.500 that's in John Seven, verse fifty three and goes through John Eight, verse 409 00:30:51.579 --> 00:30:56.339 eleven and and in that in that story, we've mentioned it many times, 410 00:30:56.420 --> 00:31:00.299 she's caught in the act of adultery. Now here's an interesting thing. According 411 00:31:00.339 --> 00:31:06.089 to Jewish law, both the adulterous man and woman were supposed to be brought 412 00:31:07.289 --> 00:31:10.930 to justice, brought right. Yeah, for but where's the man? Of 413 00:31:11.049 --> 00:31:15.730 course, yeah, he's he's not been included in the equation. And of 414 00:31:15.890 --> 00:31:21.960 course their motivation is not about justice right, not even upholding the law. 415 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.880 Their motivation, it tells us in the scripture, in order to trap Jesus 416 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.599 Right, getting trapped in us an area in which he'll say that she should 417 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.789 be condemned, yeah, or that she should not be condemned. Yeah. 418 00:31:33.789 --> 00:31:37.230 Yeah, of course Jesus, in his awesome wisdom, out smarts those guys, 419 00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:40.509 yes, and brings truth to her as will. I can't be forgotten 420 00:31:40.549 --> 00:31:45.069 that Jesus didn't just glaze over her sin. Yeah, Jesus focused on that 421 00:31:45.109 --> 00:31:48.579 sin and told her to stop doing it. Right yet right? Yeah, 422 00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:52.900 show her mercy, for sure, but also shared her truth. Yeah, 423 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:57.619 and love and truth. And I think that's that's where how I summarized that 424 00:31:57.859 --> 00:32:04.170 passage. Is She expects condemnation, m shaming, even death. Yeah, 425 00:32:04.250 --> 00:32:07.210 for according to Jewish law, for what she had done. I'm sure she 426 00:32:07.369 --> 00:32:10.569 was expecting. She's brought in front of this grape man. Yeah, certainly 427 00:32:10.609 --> 00:32:15.160 knows scripture. Yeah, this rabbi WHO's everybody's talking about. And and I'm 428 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.559 sure there's any concern on her part that she's going to be stone today. 429 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.559 And yet how does he treat her? Is it condemning? Is it shaming? 430 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.839 Is it threatening death? No, that it was. It was gracious, 431 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.789 compassionate, but again forthright and truthful. Yeah, yeah, and and 432 00:32:34.230 --> 00:32:37.150 so she we I guess, we don't know what happened to her. We 433 00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:40.470 don't know if she went and send no more. I don't think we're told. 434 00:32:42.069 --> 00:32:45.019 No, we're not told. In Church history didn't didn't have her, 435 00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:47.980 as far as I'm aware. Yeah, any stories about her, but we 436 00:32:49.099 --> 00:32:54.420 can assume, with that encounter with Jesus, that she went and obeyed Jesus 437 00:32:54.500 --> 00:33:00.890 and maybe was one of the the sidell's that that followed Jesus and the coming 438 00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:04.450 months and years. Yeah, and I think it's one of the most beautiful 439 00:33:04.450 --> 00:33:10.369 passages as as an example for men ministering to women. Is They are expecting 440 00:33:10.490 --> 00:33:15.079 condemnation from you. They are, and if that's what they hear, you've 441 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.839 you have become the problem, I think at that point, honestly, because 442 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.559 they're you. You're exactly what they expected. But that's not what Jesus modeled. 443 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:29.990 He modeled kindness, compassion, truth, forthrightness and love. Yeah, 444 00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:37.509 absolutely, along with truth. So then maybe the last one that we have 445 00:33:37.670 --> 00:33:40.150 time for. You want to do just one more? Yeah, okay. 446 00:33:40.190 --> 00:33:46.980 So the last one is in Luke seven versus thirty six to fifty, and 447 00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:54.970 that's about the prostitute who anoints Jesus prior to His crucifixion. She's a sinful 448 00:33:54.970 --> 00:34:04.609 woman, that is certainly suggested, probably a prostitute. She anoints Jesus's feet 449 00:34:04.970 --> 00:34:09.000 with her tears and ointment, and those that are with Jesus are appalled, 450 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:14.800 right on several levels that. First of all, what's he doing interacting at 451 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:22.199 all with this woman of ill repute and she's touching him and they're just apalled 452 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.429 that he would let her touch him and even say, don't you know who 453 00:34:25.510 --> 00:34:29.110 this is? Right, yeah, that is touched. Yeah, I mean 454 00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:32.150 one point is in verse thirty nine, it says now in the Pharisee who 455 00:34:32.190 --> 00:34:35.869 had invited him saw this, he spoke to himself. So he just said 456 00:34:35.869 --> 00:34:37.230 this in his own heart. This man, if he were a prophet, 457 00:34:37.579 --> 00:34:42.539 would know who and what manner of woman this is who's touching him, for 458 00:34:42.659 --> 00:34:45.300 she is a sinner. So, yeah, the filthy woman. Yeah, 459 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:47.659 this man's eyes. And if Jesus was any kind of a prophet, like 460 00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:52.019 people are saying or like he claims to be, then he would know this 461 00:34:52.179 --> 00:34:54.050 woman right, she shouldn't be touching it. So it isn't that interesting that 462 00:34:54.130 --> 00:34:59.570 he's questioning even they even who Jesus is, based on the fact that he's 463 00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:05.369 interacting with this sinful woman? I think that that can clearly has applications for 464 00:35:06.289 --> 00:35:12.000 what we do. We are not only associating with clearly sinful women, they're 465 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.679 about to kill their babies, but we are offering them, I hope, 466 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:21.590 a similar sort of response as Jesus saw first. Yeah, yeah, so 467 00:35:21.829 --> 00:35:24.670 from the perspective of this Pharisee, he wants Jesus to, in his eyes, 468 00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:28.750 do the right thing and push this woman to the side and they get 469 00:35:28.789 --> 00:35:30.869 out of here. Yeah, but Jesus turns it on him and actually gives 470 00:35:30.909 --> 00:35:35.469 a parable and talks about, you know, basically, a man was owed 471 00:35:35.550 --> 00:35:37.460 this much money and was forgiven this much money, and another man was owed 472 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:40.659 this much money was for giving this much money. Who you think would love 473 00:35:42.260 --> 00:35:45.980 the guy that forgave the debt more? Well, the one who was forgiven 474 00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:47.940 more. Right. And he's saying this woman, yeah, you might be 475 00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:52.170 a righteous pharisee that has never broken the law or whatever, and she's a 476 00:35:52.449 --> 00:35:57.769 your as a filthy prostitute. And yet she's had an encounter with me. 477 00:35:57.929 --> 00:36:01.449 Obviously she, I would say, knew who Jesus was way before this incident. 478 00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:04.960 She just come in all of a sudden. She'd had an encounter with 479 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.239 Jesus before and she had seen His mercy and the forgiveness that he offers and 480 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.360 she loved him much because she was forgiven much. Jesus gives her mercy and 481 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.590 uses that as an opportunity to show others that God is merciful, that those 482 00:36:20.630 --> 00:36:24.789 who humbly repent, God shows mercy to now again, the scenario is a 483 00:36:24.829 --> 00:36:30.070 bit different because we're encountering women going into the abortion center who haven't yet repented. 484 00:36:30.230 --> 00:36:32.820 Correct. However, we want them to write, we want to have 485 00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:36.500 a conversation with him, we want to talk to them about the Lord and 486 00:36:36.579 --> 00:36:38.659 talk to them about the resources and things that would help them not to go 487 00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:44.219 in there and and do what they'd come to do. But again, our 488 00:36:44.300 --> 00:36:49.530 disposition should be like Jesus in one of receptivity. We want to be received 489 00:36:49.610 --> 00:36:52.769 and what we're saying right. Yeah, exactly. And I have seen the 490 00:36:53.010 --> 00:36:59.929 fruit of our ministry bring me a woman, not just me, all of 491 00:37:00.130 --> 00:37:05.880 us, a woman who is so grateful, yeah, that she responds in 492 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.679 a like sort of way, just with so much gratitude and love and turning 493 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:17.110 to God. Then was so much faith, because she has been forgiven of 494 00:37:17.389 --> 00:37:27.070 so much that she knows was wrong and and evil and sinful and at yeah, 495 00:37:27.110 --> 00:37:30.699 and and in fact, I know, Daniel, you have a really 496 00:37:30.099 --> 00:37:36.179 wonderful experience of someone who really came to that point of repentance. Yeah, 497 00:37:36.739 --> 00:37:38.619 yeah, this was not too many weeks ago. We cheered it on our 498 00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:42.619 blog, we shared it in an email send out, and this is a 499 00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:45.489 young lady who came to the abortion center right, and some of you, 500 00:37:45.570 --> 00:37:47.409 if you've read our email send outs, it's the young lady who said I'm 501 00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:51.289 going in for a refund. Well, initially, yeah, you know, 502 00:37:51.369 --> 00:37:54.130 I had poured my heart out to her. I'd spoken to her for well, 503 00:37:54.570 --> 00:37:58.130 you know, I'll just kind of give you the layout. She had 504 00:37:58.170 --> 00:38:00.840 gone into the abortion center and this because of the covid nineteen stuff. They 505 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.079 were telling them to go back outside and waiting their cars. So she comes 506 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.320 out and this is on a Saturday, so it's pretty crazy. Other Saturdays 507 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:13.670 are police officers there, there's even pro abortion people there. At that time, 508 00:38:13.750 --> 00:38:16.110 thankfully, there were not pro abortion people there. But she goes and 509 00:38:16.230 --> 00:38:21.110 she's sitting or standing beside her car and I called out to our said Hey, 510 00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:22.710 just come over and talk with us. It's come and take my information. 511 00:38:23.110 --> 00:38:27.139 And initially she was like no, I don't need what you have. 512 00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:30.699 I'm okay, right, and I said something to the effective well, you're 513 00:38:30.699 --> 00:38:35.500 not okay, you're at an abortion clinic. What I have will be really 514 00:38:35.539 --> 00:38:37.940 helpful. Just come over and take the information and I, you know, 515 00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:43.530 I make sure my tone is a gracious tone and I think tone does matter. 516 00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:45.289 Some people might downplay that, but you know, we say in our 517 00:38:45.329 --> 00:38:49.409 trainings your tone will set the tone. If you have an angry tone, 518 00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.250 hey, come over here and talk to me, they're typically not going to 519 00:38:52.329 --> 00:38:55.639 reciprocate nice with a nice tone. They're going to be angry as well. 520 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.760 Right. And so, anyway, I just talked to her real graciously but 521 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.119 forth rightly, and I said just come over and take the information. Not 522 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:06.159 Going to hurt for you to have information. She's okay, I'll come and 523 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.719 get so she came over and she took the information, or a little brochure 524 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:14.510 that we hand out, and I went right into okay, so what's going 525 00:39:14.550 --> 00:39:16.829 on in your life? What makes you feel like this is an option for 526 00:39:16.909 --> 00:39:21.909 you? And she started pouring out her heart and listen, I've had people, 527 00:39:22.269 --> 00:39:25.820 I've had women either stopping carside as they're going into the abortion center, 528 00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:29.980 coming out of the abortion center, all kinds of scenarios, share with me 529 00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:34.380 things and I'm like that's Dmi, two months information. I don't even know 530 00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:36.739 it, but I just roll with it. They're going to pour it out. 531 00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:37.969 Yeah, I'm going to listen. Yeah, and I'm going to try 532 00:39:37.969 --> 00:39:40.889 to just bring God a course into the equation and that's what I did in 533 00:39:40.969 --> 00:39:45.210 that situation. She shared some of about, like we talked about before, 534 00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:50.170 the the boyfriend, or actually wouldn't even her boyfriend was kind of one night 535 00:39:50.250 --> 00:39:52.599 stand thing, but the guy who she was pregnant by was a dirt bag. 536 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.039 That's that's I think that's the word you use these the dirt bag, 537 00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.400 and so I got into that and I talked about how God saves dirt bags. 538 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:00.760 I used to be a dirt bag and what God did in my life 539 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:06.599 and shared my testimony and then she shared some of the other things and struggles 540 00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.590 and and all that was going on and, you know, by God's grace, 541 00:40:08.710 --> 00:40:10.869 was able to talk to her and some others came along. Some ladies 542 00:40:10.909 --> 00:40:14.989 came along, One lady that are one of our volunteers who's post aboard of 543 00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:16.949 and shared and one of the things that she said, because I talked to 544 00:40:16.989 --> 00:40:21.980 her, that the young lady we were ministering to about the regret that comes 545 00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:23.699 from abortion, and she said, well, first she started out with, 546 00:40:23.860 --> 00:40:27.860 I'm afraid I'm going to regret if I have this baby. I'm going to 547 00:40:27.940 --> 00:40:30.820 regret it because I don't want to bring this baby into a situation where it 548 00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:32.860 doesn't know it's Dad. I understand that, but I said, you know, 549 00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:37.289 understand if you have the abortion, you're going to regret that, right, 550 00:40:37.530 --> 00:40:38.369 and she said, Oh, I know, I'll regret that. So 551 00:40:38.409 --> 00:40:42.130 I'm like, okay, so you have a scenario in which he might regret 552 00:40:42.809 --> 00:40:45.849 having the the baby and then a scenario that you know you're going to regret 553 00:40:46.010 --> 00:40:49.250 having the abortion. Yeah, well, why not? Do you know? 554 00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:51.679 I'm just kind of not a sales pitch, but I'm like, Hey, 555 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.679 just way this thing out. Yeah, we're being very logical and very truthful, 556 00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.000 following the biblical guidelines. Yeah, you're doing great so far. Yeah, 557 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.880 so thus far, doing fine, I guess. Well, it came 558 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.829 to a point where I think I had given her everything I could and he 559 00:41:06.989 --> 00:41:08.230 just kind of spelled it out to her and let her know the help and 560 00:41:08.309 --> 00:41:10.630 the resources that are available, and she said, well, I got a 561 00:41:10.750 --> 00:41:15.469 friend who's WHO's trying to Tak me into not having the abortion to I'm going 562 00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:17.070 to go to my car and I'm going to call her. So she went 563 00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:20.900 called her and then she came back out and talked a little bit more and 564 00:41:21.139 --> 00:41:23.500 shared some more stuff with her and then she said, okay, I just 565 00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:28.340 don't know what I'm going to do, and so she went over to her 566 00:41:28.420 --> 00:41:32.130 car, and that was just praying God, please get in your car right 567 00:41:32.210 --> 00:41:35.809 the away from here, get in your guys. Just plan. God, 568 00:41:35.889 --> 00:41:37.610 please get Ahold of her her make sure, just don't let her go in 569 00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:40.010 that abortion clinic. Lord, I'm praying because you know how it is when 570 00:41:40.010 --> 00:41:44.289 you poured your heart out and it's like your heart is invested in this person, 571 00:41:44.329 --> 00:41:46.800 and I just knew for her, if she had the abortion, it 572 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.519 would destroy her, because she knew the right thing. She had every reason, 573 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.559 I mean, as we talk through it and the way that she believed 574 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.559 in God and the way that God had arranged things, even though the guy 575 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.869 was a dirt bag. She had a good job, she had an apartment 576 00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:05.989 with an extra bedroom, you know, and she was talking about how maybe 577 00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:07.230 that would be a bedroom for the child. I was like yeah, you 578 00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:12.190 see how God. Anyway, she went back to her car this point and 579 00:42:12.670 --> 00:42:15.389 then I started to see her walk into the door of the abortion center. 580 00:42:15.429 --> 00:42:19.340 I'm like, Oh no, I've seen that walk before, right. We 581 00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:23.380 all, yeah, we all just shrivel up like we've given all we had 582 00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:27.099 to give. But as she's walking through the door, I called out to 583 00:42:27.219 --> 00:42:29.820 our called out her name and I said you don't want to go in there, 584 00:42:29.860 --> 00:42:30.849 please don't do this, and she turns around says, Oh, I'm 585 00:42:30.849 --> 00:42:35.409 not, I'm going in for a refund. Yeah, like then rejoicing broke 586 00:42:35.489 --> 00:42:37.889 out on the sidewalk. Ultimately she came out of the abortion center. She 587 00:42:37.929 --> 00:42:40.769 went and got her money back, got her ID back. Yeah, came 588 00:42:40.809 --> 00:42:45.920 out of the abortion center parking lot and stopped at the driveway and we pointed 589 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.440 over to the mobile ultrass sound unit and my wife and Sarah were able to 590 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.039 minister her there's my wife is the nurse and Sarah was the counselor on board 591 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.320 that day. Ministered to her. She saw her baby on ultrasound. They 592 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.670 share the Gospel with her. She gave her heart to Jesus and you know. 593 00:43:00.909 --> 00:43:05.349 So that's just one story of many where I've seen men in this situation. 594 00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:07.389 God used me very graciously, but I've seen him use other men and 595 00:43:07.909 --> 00:43:14.460 ministering two women at the abortion center. And actually she came back that next 596 00:43:14.579 --> 00:43:16.300 Friday. So this was a Saturday, and so that next Friday, almost 597 00:43:16.340 --> 00:43:20.739 a week later, she came back with a gift basket for me and a 598 00:43:20.860 --> 00:43:22.699 card. Yeah, that said, this, read this card. I'm looking 599 00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:25.420 at it. You all can't see it at its hand illustrated. It's just 600 00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:29.489 speart of yeah, and I put it out on our cities for life facebook. 601 00:43:29.530 --> 00:43:30.849 Yes, he can public space, so you guys to see it. 602 00:43:30.889 --> 00:43:35.610 CHARLOTTE, cities for life facebook. But here's what it says. This is 603 00:43:35.849 --> 00:43:39.090 there's really not any words to describe the impact you've made. I knew the 604 00:43:39.130 --> 00:43:44.079 right decision. I just needed a little push and you were that other voice 605 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.320 I was seeking to hear from other than my own. Thank you. And 606 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.840 so this she was just needing a voice. And, guys, I won't 607 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.559 encourage you. Men. Yeah, you can be a voice. That's just 608 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:58.550 from my experience, but I'm telling you, I've seen it in other men. 609 00:43:58.630 --> 00:44:04.190 I've seen God use men in these situations awesomely. I've seen God do 610 00:44:05.269 --> 00:44:08.429 amazing things through men and women on the sidewalk. So is it appropriate for 611 00:44:08.510 --> 00:44:13.579 men? Is it okay for men to Minister to abortion minded women? Guys? 612 00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:16.219 Yeah, necessary, yeah, it's not just okay, it's necessary. 613 00:44:16.699 --> 00:44:22.500 God will use you. Now you're demeaning your disposition. They do matter, 614 00:44:22.699 --> 00:44:27.010 but even if that needs to be honed a little bit. God will work. 615 00:44:27.090 --> 00:44:30.130 God's worked on me massively. I used to be a lot more, 616 00:44:30.610 --> 00:44:32.650 I don't know, aggressive. I wouldn't that aggressive I used to be. 617 00:44:32.929 --> 00:44:37.920 I used to say things before that I don't say now because they're just not 618 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:42.679 helpful in that scenario. I won't give any examples cut that want to embarrass 619 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.239 myself, but you know I'm careful with the words that I say. I 620 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:46.960 want to be approachable. I mean, that's basically what it is. Yeah, 621 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.280 I want to be approachable. And so, guys, is your ministering 622 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.510 this capacity. I want to encourage you, but also would encourage you listen. 623 00:44:53.550 --> 00:44:57.789 If there's some things you can kind of really in a little bit, 624 00:44:57.949 --> 00:45:00.110 some things you can hone, some things you can take from the example of 625 00:45:00.190 --> 00:45:05.230 Jesus and apply those principles, do it and God will use you. And 626 00:45:05.750 --> 00:45:07.659 so with that I think we'll wrap this thing up. This is a blessing 627 00:45:07.820 --> 00:45:10.659 to share this with you guys, blessing that you guys are listening to this 628 00:45:10.820 --> 00:45:15.300 podcast. It'd be a real blessing if you would share this podcast, shared 629 00:45:15.380 --> 00:45:19.940 on Social Media and let folks know some of the things that you heard some 630 00:45:20.019 --> 00:45:22.409 of the things that were helpful. Let us know. Reach out to me 631 00:45:22.570 --> 00:45:25.409 deep parks at cities for lifecom. You can reach out to Vicky v CASSIE 632 00:45:25.449 --> 00:45:30.690 orgate cities for lifecom. Go to our sidewalks for life website. Hopefully we'll 633 00:45:30.690 --> 00:45:36.960 have an article up in a couple of days that talks about this and again, 634 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.280 hopefully this was a blessing encouragement to you guys, but until next time, 635 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:57.230 God bless me for love. Give me our loft for gratitude. I 636 00:45:57.590 --> 00:46:06.699 know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. And some met 637 00:46:06.900 --> you