Is It Appropriate For Men To Minister To Abortion-minded Women?

WEBVTT100:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.759I just don't know if it's appropriatefor men to be out there in speaking200:00:02.799 --> 00:00:08.390to women about women's issues. IAm Yours, I am yours, I300:00:08.990 --> 00:00:13.390am your. Welcome to the GospelCenter pro life podcast. Is Abortions just400:00:13.550 --> 00:00:17.989a woman's issue? Is it appropriatefor men to Minister to abortion minded women?500:00:18.350 --> 00:00:21.820Join us as we look at thisscripturally and share an awesome testimony at600:00:21.820 --> 00:00:28.739the end. Stay tuned. SendMe Lord, Send Me Lord. I700:00:29.059 --> 00:00:43.130felt show passis touch your use melove. He there. This is the800:00:43.289 --> 00:00:47.890Gospel centered pro life podcast. Welcomeeverybody, and today we're going to talk900:00:47.929 --> 00:00:55.079about a common thing that we facewhen we are working out on the sidewalk1000:00:55.119 --> 00:01:00.280or in pro life ministry, whichis is it appropriate for men to Minister1100:01:02.000 --> 00:01:06.670to abortion determined women? Yes,a lot of folks that will say no,1200:01:07.230 --> 00:01:10.269though. You hear it all thetime from the socalled pro choice people1300:01:10.430 --> 00:01:15.790that you don't ever uterus, you'renot allowed to speak about abortion. Yeah,1400:01:15.870 --> 00:01:19.420yeah, you hear that, notjust from pro abortion people, to1500:01:19.540 --> 00:01:23.459hear that from even some pro lifers. I've had folks say that. You1600:01:23.579 --> 00:01:26.099know, guys say that. I'dlike to be out there. I just1700:01:26.140 --> 00:01:27.859don't know if it's appropriate for menright, right, be out there in1800:01:27.900 --> 00:01:32.579speaking to women about out women's issues. Yeah, there's a way, some1900:01:32.620 --> 00:01:34.730people will say, and honestly,even to be fair, as as we2000:01:34.890 --> 00:01:40.769train our new volunteers, we dosay that in most cases we feel it's2100:01:40.969 --> 00:01:45.250most effective for women to Minister tothe women, yeah, and men to2200:01:45.290 --> 00:01:49.519speak to the men. But Ithink since I have been doing little bit2300:01:49.560 --> 00:01:55.040of research for this podcast, Imay have come to a different conclusion.2400:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.840Yeah, well, we certainly believein practice, but also, of course,2500:01:59.959 --> 00:02:05.750biblically, that it's not only appropriatefor men to Minister in this capacity,2600:02:06.469 --> 00:02:08.550it's biblical to do so. Sowe believe that. But you know,2700:02:08.590 --> 00:02:13.830there is some wisdom and certain certainlywe don't abandon that wisdom. As2800:02:13.990 --> 00:02:16.659far as when a man's coming intothe abortion center, they'll say he's brought2900:02:16.740 --> 00:02:22.419his girlfriend there and he's coming outof the abortion center and he's going to3000:02:22.460 --> 00:02:23.939sit in his car or whatever.For a woman to call out and say3100:02:24.020 --> 00:02:28.620hey, be a man and getback in there typically not as effective,3200:02:28.699 --> 00:02:32.610not as well received from a womanto a man. Yeah, typically we3300:02:32.930 --> 00:02:38.569prefer from men to minister to menand that contacts. But well, another3400:02:38.610 --> 00:02:42.569example is, like I share withyou before we started this podcast. If3500:02:42.610 --> 00:02:46.960a woman is walking down the sidewalk, she's more vulnerable than if she's driving3600:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.280in in a vehicle and it couldbe more intimidating if I were to go3700:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.960up an approach. Not to sayI won't a wheel, and I have,3800:02:54.000 --> 00:02:58.789but if there's a woman there thatcan get over to her that's as3900:02:58.870 --> 00:03:00.909she's walking down the side walk cominginto the abortion center, I'm going to4000:03:00.990 --> 00:03:04.069say, hey, Google them,talk to her. Yeah, if there's4100:03:04.069 --> 00:03:07.469no one else available, maybe someonethat's not very well trained, someone's kind4200:03:07.469 --> 00:03:10.870of new, I'll go and I'llapproach and I'll do you everything I'd normally4300:03:10.870 --> 00:03:14.860do as I'm approaching a woman goingin. But I think there's some wisdom4400:03:14.900 --> 00:03:16.860that we can use so that we'renot being intimidating. I mean, the4500:03:16.939 --> 00:03:21.219goal is we want to have aconversation with these women and we want to4600:03:21.300 --> 00:03:23.780remove any barriers that would be there. Sure, and so if me being4700:03:23.819 --> 00:03:27.849a man would be a barrier,potentially, I want to try to remove4800:03:27.889 --> 00:03:30.650that in as much as I'm ableto just use in wisdom. Yeah,4900:03:30.810 --> 00:03:35.090and one of the things that Idid is I was thinking about this podcast,5000:03:35.370 --> 00:03:38.969was I did a little bit ofresearch into some of the facts about5100:03:39.050 --> 00:03:47.919the women who are coming for anabortion and how those truths affect whether they5200:03:49.560 --> 00:03:53.479would best receive ministering from a manor for a woman. Yeah, for5300:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.789example, I think all of ushave seen this. Many, if not5400:03:59.110 --> 00:04:04.389most, abortion minded women come frombroken and even abusive relationships. Yeah,5500:04:04.469 --> 00:04:10.780they come. They come from familieswithout father's, either a completely absent father5600:04:10.819 --> 00:04:16.420or a father who is sometimes inprison or in addiction or negligent and yet5700:04:16.540 --> 00:04:23.100some way or absently right or oroutright abusive. And so the article specifically5800:04:23.180 --> 00:04:27.410that I that I got some ofmy facts from, we will post in5900:04:27.970 --> 00:04:31.370in an article that we're going topost on our sidewalks for life website.6000:04:32.449 --> 00:04:42.439But a peer reviewed study of abortionminded women found that a fourth of the6100:04:42.519 --> 00:04:48.120women who abort, a fourth arein abusive relationships. Yeah, so knowing6200:04:48.199 --> 00:04:54.230that, just knowing that, youknow that that woman is likely perceiving a6300:04:54.629 --> 00:05:01.189man with jaded eyes. They're seeingmen in in and not a good light.6400:05:01.269 --> 00:05:08.339Yeah, and we're going to talklater on more about how men can6500:05:08.420 --> 00:05:15.220overcome that and the approach to howthey approach the woman has to be very6600:05:15.379 --> 00:05:19.939careful. Yeah, but but Ithink that's part of the reason for why6700:05:20.449 --> 00:05:26.689we so often hear that that aman should not minister to an abortion minded6800:05:26.730 --> 00:05:30.529woman. And there is certainly validityand there yes, well, you know,6900:05:30.569 --> 00:05:35.279if you're dealing with women who havehad aggressive men in their lives and7000:05:35.519 --> 00:05:41.759in their experience, and let's let'sface as far as aggression goes, if7100:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.680you do a comparison of whether ornot this percentage of men or more aggressive7200:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.639than this percentage of women, Imean the prison population shows just that men7300:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.949typically are more aggressive, and sothat's the perception, and so we have7400:05:54.029 --> 00:05:57.949to understand that perception with the womenthat we're ministering to. Not only is7500:05:58.029 --> 00:06:01.029it just a general act that menare more aggressive, we're dealing with a7600:06:01.149 --> 00:06:05.579population of women who have been involvedwith or had men in their lives who7700:06:05.579 --> 00:06:11.379were more aggressive. Yeah, andliterally harmed in various ways. And Yeah,7800:06:11.379 --> 00:06:15.379we're coerced into the abortion exactly.So whatever. That's why it is7900:06:15.459 --> 00:06:19.529important that we keep these things inour minds. It shouldn't be a deterrent8000:06:19.569 --> 00:06:23.089from US minishing, and that's oneof the things. One of the lies8100:06:23.170 --> 00:06:27.610we want to tear down right awayis that is it appropriate for men to8200:06:27.689 --> 00:06:32.000minister to abortion minded women. Yes, it is absolutely appropriate. It is8300:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.000the call of God for us.So we're given away the punch line,8400:06:35.040 --> 00:06:41.240were Anne, and so I'll say, yes, it's appropriate and it's necessary,8500:06:42.240 --> 00:06:45.079but there are some things that weneed to consider in this, and8600:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.149that's really the meat of what we'retalking about. Exactly, exactly. Another8700:06:48.550 --> 00:06:57.629fact of abortion minded women is thatone in three children in America live in8800:06:57.750 --> 00:07:01.019a fatherless home. Yes, sothere's no male role model at all.8900:07:01.220 --> 00:07:08.100Yeah, and in one out ofthree families. So these women are coming9000:07:08.660 --> 00:07:17.329with very likely abusive or aggressive relationshipswith men and then like ful, yes,9100:07:17.889 --> 00:07:23.089exactly, and then with really norole model of what a godly man9200:07:23.370 --> 00:07:27.970or a father, yeah, wouldwould look like. So it would be,9300:07:28.209 --> 00:07:30.240I think, very safe to concludethat there would be trust issues.9400:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.240Absolutely so, if we want tobe effective, and that's all, that's,9500:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.639of course, always primary in inour we want to first of all9600:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.600represent God, but we also dowant to be effective and in saving these9700:07:41.639 --> 00:07:45.910babies and reaching these MOMS, andif if they don't trust us, then9800:07:46.430 --> 00:07:48.149you're probably not going to be afact. Yeah, and that's maybe a9900:07:48.230 --> 00:07:54.430subject for a whole other podcast,but the issue of trust is an important10000:07:54.470 --> 00:07:57.910one and so just to lay itout just real succinctly, if I can,10100:07:58.860 --> 00:08:03.779women are coming to abortion clinics becausethey trust that abortion, that the10200:08:03.819 --> 00:08:07.540abortion clinic, that the abortionist,is going to fix what's broken in their10300:08:07.579 --> 00:08:09.740life. There's a certain amount oftrust. Now, of course we know10400:08:09.860 --> 00:08:16.170it's it's a mixed in with allthese different components, but there is an10500:08:16.290 --> 00:08:18.569issue of trust where they even investedtrust. I mean they've got the money10600:08:18.610 --> 00:08:22.089in their hand, they've made theappointment, they've invested trust in that abortion10700:08:22.170 --> 00:08:26.649clinic, so much so that they'regoing to go in there and submit themselves10800:08:26.689 --> 00:08:31.120to to a very invasive procedure,put themselves in the most vulnerable position that10900:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.200woman could be in, physically undressedfrom the waist down, feed up in11000:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.360this stir hips. I mean nowto get to graphic about it, but11100:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.669that's the reality of it. Andso they've placed their trust in abortion to11200:08:41.750 --> 00:08:46.509the point where they're willing to docertain things to to convey that trust.11300:08:46.710 --> 00:08:50.950Right. What we're trying to dowith sidewalk counselors and man or woman sidewalk11400:08:50.990 --> 00:08:54.789counselors. We're trying to get themand convince them, Hey, the trust11500:08:54.830 --> 00:08:58.899that you put in that abortion clinicdon't invest your trust. They are invest11600:08:58.940 --> 00:09:01.379your trust us here, and ultimatelyit's in the Lord. Yeah, but11700:09:01.460 --> 00:09:05.139it's also in us. I meanwe're representatives of God, and so we11800:09:05.259 --> 00:09:09.490want them to trust rather than theabortion clinic, we want them to trust11900:09:09.490 --> 00:09:13.409us, and so that's the attitudewe need to understand that we've got to12000:09:13.490 --> 00:09:16.850come with. This is a trustthing. Ultimately, again, we want12100:09:16.889 --> 00:09:20.210to turn them to trust the Lord. You know, trust in the Lord12200:09:20.250 --> 00:09:22.929with all of your heart, asthe scripture I use on a regular basis.12300:09:22.049 --> 00:09:28.080Yeah, and so anything that thatwe might do, any disposition we12400:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.039might have that would compromise that trustwe need to be careful for. Yeah,12500:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.480I agree totally. And and topiggyback off of that thought to even12600:09:37.480 --> 00:09:43.429a deeper level, when you saidultimately we want them to put their trust12700:09:43.629 --> 00:09:48.710in God. Well, think ofthat. Their role model of their earthly12800:09:48.750 --> 00:09:54.580father is very distorted, yeah,or absent or very negative. And so12900:09:54.899 --> 00:10:01.539what we're ultimately as a gospel focusedpro life ministry, we are ultimately asking13000:10:01.620 --> 00:10:05.940them to put their trust in God, but their image of God is often13100:10:07.570 --> 00:10:11.889distorted by the image of who theirearth earthly father was, and so that13200:10:13.210 --> 00:10:18.090is one of the things that Ithink makes the necessity of a godly man13300:10:18.529 --> 00:10:24.360out on the sidewalk speaking life andbeing a role model of what a man,13400:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.799as God designed him to be,a protector. Yeah, women and13500:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.679children, and that is a reallycritical picture for them. Police say.13600:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.190Yes, so almost in one sensewe're we're talking about the positives and the13700:10:39.269 --> 00:10:41.470negatives, right. So, yeah, it's we need to be careful the13800:10:41.549 --> 00:10:46.909way that we we come across andthat sort of thing. But because the13900:10:46.990 --> 00:10:48.549way we come across could have anegative impact, they may not stop and14000:10:48.669 --> 00:10:52.019talk that they reject what we're saying. Yeah, but also it can have14100:10:52.100 --> 00:10:58.419a very positive impact when we comein a humble but also in a protective14200:10:58.899 --> 00:11:03.379demeanor. Those things are important andin the the body language and all that14300:11:03.500 --> 00:11:05.730stuff, and people pick up onthat, and so that's why we need14400:11:05.769 --> 00:11:09.250to be intentional and that sort ofthing. I mean it's just simply put14500:11:09.529 --> 00:11:13.409again, man or a woman,we need to have an approachable demeanor,14600:11:13.889 --> 00:11:16.450we need to have a smile inour face, not to be all gruff14700:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.080and he is an abortion clinic.We're doing, you know, abortion clinic14800:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.360ministry. Right, it's hard tohave a smile on your face because the14900:11:24.399 --> 00:11:30.279killing children in there. But weneed to because the demeanor on our face15000:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.070and the body language goes a longway. But I will say, especially15100:11:33.750 --> 00:11:37.070for men when we're trying to reachwomen going into the abortion clinic, I15200:11:37.230 --> 00:11:43.149mean our our disposition, our demeanor, goes a long way to help get15300:11:43.269 --> 00:11:48.379some of that trust right. Right. You know, they have certainly experienced15400:11:48.860 --> 00:11:56.500shaming, coercion, anger and evenabuse at the hands of men. Quite15500:11:56.740 --> 00:12:00.700off and not always, but quiteoften. That's the story that that I15600:12:01.179 --> 00:12:03.769certainly hear from the women who talkwith us. So that's the last thing15700:12:03.769 --> 00:12:07.450they should see. Few men thatare yeah, you know, it's not15800:12:07.610 --> 00:12:11.289like when we're talking about this,it's not like we're coming I mean statistics15900:12:11.409 --> 00:12:13.649and reading articles. Is Fine,we should do that, but we're not16000:12:13.769 --> 00:12:18.440just coming from something we've read.This is experience. You know, I've16100:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.840been out there for fifteen years.Yeah, you've been out there for seven,16200:12:20.960 --> 00:12:26.159seven, now, seven years,and talked to probably, I mean16300:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.710hundreds, maybe thousands, of womencoming into the abortion center in various ways,16400:12:31.149 --> 00:12:35.149either talking to them as they're walkingup or as a pull over and16500:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.110talk or on the mobile ultrasound unit, we're able to get more in depth16600:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.909talking to them afterwards on the phone. You know, I've been involved in16700:12:41.070 --> 00:12:46.179situations, in family situations. wassome of the moms that have chosen life16800:12:46.220 --> 00:12:48.379and I've seen some of the difficulties, some of the struggles, but I16900:12:48.539 --> 00:12:52.940also seen some of what God willuse to try to, you know,17000:12:52.500 --> 00:12:56.659to break into that situation, usingmyself and other men to break into those17100:12:56.700 --> 00:13:01.330situations and really bring truth and life, not just for the baby but for17200:13:01.409 --> 00:13:05.610the mom as well. Yeah,so we're speaking from from experience and what17300:13:05.690 --> 00:13:07.610God has done. We'll get intoa little bit more of that later on.17400:13:07.889 --> 00:13:13.759Yeah, and of course, asin all of our Gospel Centered Prolife17500:13:13.879 --> 00:13:20.320podcast, we turn to the Bible, yeah, for truth. And so17600:13:20.799 --> 00:13:26.149the Bible is, of course,filled with evidence that men ministered to women17700:13:28.309 --> 00:13:33.629and women an insexual sin. Yeah, I would consider abortion sexual sin and17800:13:33.070 --> 00:13:37.669well, and the result of sexualsin, certain abortions, is the results17900:13:37.710 --> 00:13:41.220of sexual sin a lot of times, and you know, unfortunately, many,18000:13:41.259 --> 00:13:46.500many, many of the situations thatwe speak to that we experience are18100:13:46.620 --> 00:13:50.899women and men who were having sexoutside of marriage. I mean, if18200:13:52.340 --> 00:13:56.289if sex outside of marriage didn't exist, abortion likely would not exist. Right,18300:13:56.330 --> 00:13:58.090right. That's the reality of it, and so that's why it's important18400:13:58.129 --> 00:14:03.370that we bring that into the equation. Biblically speaking. Yeah, do men18500:14:03.450 --> 00:14:09.080in the Bible Ever Address Women insexual sin situations and difficult situations like what18600:14:09.279 --> 00:14:15.039we encounter at the abortion centers?Yeah, and and of course the prime18700:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.519model of that is Jesus. Yeah, we are to we are to model18800:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.440our lives after Jesus. Men andwomen are to model our lives after Jesus.18900:14:22.559 --> 00:14:31.950But Jesus Ministers to women so oftenin the Bible, and always they19000:14:31.990 --> 00:14:35.070are women. Well, not always, most of the time they are.19100:14:35.269 --> 00:14:39.299They are women that are involved insome sort of sin, if not sexual19200:14:39.340 --> 00:14:41.899sin. Yeah, and how heministers to them, I think, is19300:14:43.220 --> 00:14:48.340just really telling and and helpful.I think so for us. But we're19400:14:48.379 --> 00:14:54.009going to go over some specific examplesof when Jesus Ministers to women, and19500:14:54.169 --> 00:14:58.169it's not a comprehensive list at all, but it's it'll give a sense of19600:14:58.289 --> 00:15:01.929how often and he does minister towomen. And one of the things which19700:15:01.929 --> 00:15:07.200maybe you can speak more knowledgeably thanme to is just that women were not19800:15:09.000 --> 00:15:15.879considered as valuable or worthy as menand just the mere fact that Jesus would19900:15:16.480 --> 00:15:22.190stoop to talk to women was unusual. Yeah, in the absolutely I mean20000:15:22.669 --> 00:15:26.230John Chapter Four, the woman ofSamaria, the woman at the whale.20100:15:26.269 --> 00:15:30.870I mean not only the Jesus kindof breach cultural norms about talking to a20200:15:30.990 --> 00:15:35.779woman, but talking to a womanwho had so many husbands and pretty promiscuous,20300:15:35.820 --> 00:15:41.740yeah, it seemed, and alsoa Samaritan at that, and enemy20400:15:41.779 --> 00:15:46.340of the Jews. Yeah. Yeah, so Jesus breaches all those cultural norms.20500:15:46.379 --> 00:15:50.610Yeah, boss speaking to this womanand he speaks some some really important20600:15:50.649 --> 00:15:52.730truth to her and she ends up. We talked about this in previous podcasts.20700:15:52.850 --> 00:15:58.009Awesome Pastors Scriptures who probably touch onit throughout. It's so appropriate this20800:15:58.250 --> 00:16:02.850for our party is it is.But she goes and she's an evangelist for20900:16:03.210 --> 00:16:07.679for Jesus in that sense in hercity. Right. So it is appropriate.21000:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.759We see in that passage. That'sprobably one of the passage that is21100:16:10.879 --> 00:16:14.360it's one that that will mention.So we're going to go over the specific21200:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.120examples, but some of the guidingprinciples. I think it's always good to21300:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.750kind of give a gist of whatare the main points that are raised in21400:16:22.789 --> 00:16:26.549these passages, and these are thethings I came up with. Maybe you'll21500:16:26.590 --> 00:16:30.029come up with other ones. Butnumber one, Jesus. His goal in21600:16:30.230 --> 00:16:34.379ministrying to women, women is alwaysto point them to the heavenly father.21700:16:34.539 --> 00:16:40.740Yeah, I'Ms Always. Number two, his method is always conviction, not21800:16:41.220 --> 00:16:44.820condemnation, and in fact he saysI come not to condemn but to save.21900:16:44.899 --> 00:16:47.970Yeah, so, but he doeswant to convict and he does convict.22000:16:48.210 --> 00:16:51.490He uses truth to convict, butbut I think, notably not to22100:16:51.649 --> 00:16:56.649condemn. Number three, he alwaysvalues them as people, no matter how22200:16:56.929 --> 00:17:02.039serious their sin is. He alwaysaddresses them. Yeah, as, as22300:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.519you know, say, human beingsabsolutely and valuable. Not Getting off the22400:17:06.599 --> 00:17:11.000track too much, but Jesus Ministrywas marked by the fact that he had22500:17:11.680 --> 00:17:17.750women in his company of disciples.I mean, there weren't any of the22600:17:17.829 --> 00:17:22.829apostles weren't women. We know that, but there were several women that came22700:17:22.869 --> 00:17:26.069along with Jesus, and we seethat throughout all of the Gospels. Yep,22800:17:26.269 --> 00:17:30.900Jesus did not exclude women from hisministry, didn't exclude them from ministering22900:17:30.940 --> 00:17:34.779to them, but also he didn'texclude them from following him and learning from23000:17:34.779 --> 00:17:37.579him and all of that in theupper room. Yeah, when the Holy23100:17:37.579 --> 00:17:41.900Spirit came down, this is afterJesus, course, was crucified and resurrected23200:17:41.980 --> 00:17:45.210and ascended to heaven. The HolySpirit came down, there were women in23300:17:45.250 --> 00:17:49.009the midst there. Yeah, andso Jesus Ministry was marked by and even23400:17:49.009 --> 00:17:55.569the Apostles Ministry. My quiet timebefore the Lord in the mornings. Lately23500:17:55.609 --> 00:17:57.599I've been reading the book of actsand all through the book of acts you23600:17:57.880 --> 00:18:02.920see that there were notable women thatcame through the Ministry of Paul and the23700:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.119apostles. Yeah, and so womencertainly were a part of the ministry and23800:18:07.240 --> 00:18:12.829certainly men in Jesus time, thoughmaybe not normally, would reach out to23900:18:12.910 --> 00:18:17.990women. Jesus certainly did. Theapostle certainly did, because the Gospel,24000:18:18.230 --> 00:18:21.029you know, Paul says at onepoint there's neither male nor female. Doesn't24100:18:21.029 --> 00:18:23.630mean they're all the male and femaledistinctions are removed, but it does mean24200:18:23.710 --> 00:18:27.740that the Gospel is for everybody.Yeah, and they so. Yeah,24300:18:27.740 --> 00:18:33.859I mean that's that's shown forth inJesus Ministry. Yeah, the fourth kind24400:18:33.900 --> 00:18:38.500of guiding principle that I leaned fromgoing over these was that that Jesus always24500:18:38.660 --> 00:18:44.569offers a better way with a positiveoutcome, and that kind of goes along24600:18:44.569 --> 00:18:51.130with condemnation. It's not condemnation.There is a game plan and alternative and24700:18:51.250 --> 00:18:53.650that alternative is a very positive oneand it, you know, just a24800:18:53.809 --> 00:18:59.039kind of as a side note,I think men are kind of wired differently24900:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.519and then women, and that menare wired, I believe, to solve25000:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.640problems. They're not so much intotalking, yeah, the way women are,25100:19:10.430 --> 00:19:12.829but they at my husband is,of a great example of that.25200:19:12.910 --> 00:19:17.269There are times I just want tovent, but he wants to solve.25300:19:17.309 --> 00:19:21.349Right, yeah, but in thecase of in front of an abortion center,25400:19:21.990 --> 00:19:23.859that's not a bad thing to have, not at all. Someone who's25500:19:23.900 --> 00:19:27.740got a solution who's going to pointyou, because Jesus did. Jesus just25600:19:27.819 --> 00:19:33.380didn't spend a lot of time,like with the touchy Feeley Chatting. He25700:19:33.500 --> 00:19:37.730spent a lot of time about thisis what's wrong, this is what's right,25800:19:38.130 --> 00:19:41.809and here is where it leads tothis positive outcome. Yeah. So25900:19:42.329 --> 00:19:49.609the fifth thing is that he alwaysloves unconditionally, without compromising the expectation of26000:19:49.730 --> 00:19:56.160repentance and resulting change to behavior.So it sounds like we're being very careful.26100:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.799The same man should not be tooaggressive or certainly not abusive, but26200:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.640we're not saying that they should refrainfrom both these speaking the truth. Yeah,26300:20:04.680 --> 00:20:08.109I mean the one example that comesto mind for me, which is26400:20:08.390 --> 00:20:11.269again probably another one of the strangersare you going to touch on, is26500:20:11.309 --> 00:20:15.390a woman that was called an adultery, right exactly, and Jesus came to26600:20:15.470 --> 00:20:21.150her defense in the sense that hetold those who wanted to stone her to26700:20:21.230 --> 00:20:23.259death he was without sin cast thefirst stone. So he sort of turn26800:20:23.339 --> 00:20:26.539it around on them. Yeah,but he didn't. I mean, he26900:20:26.700 --> 00:20:30.500wasn't some effeminate Pansy. They didn'tpoint out the truth, right, he27000:20:30.660 --> 00:20:34.259said it was no way condoned.It does where your keysers? You know27100:20:34.339 --> 00:20:37.769where to be found. Okay,and he tells her go and send.27200:20:37.849 --> 00:20:41.970No more so if heat knowledges hersin, he doesn't just say well,27300:20:41.089 --> 00:20:45.329no big deal, keep on youkeep only keeping on. No, he27400:20:45.410 --> 00:20:48.650pointed out her sin and told herto stop doing it. Yeah, and27500:20:48.809 --> 00:20:52.319he did it, you know,he did it so succinctly. there.27600:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.720He didn't, like waste a lotof words, but in those few words,27700:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.079go and send, no more,he exposed it as sin. He27800:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.150told her to turn from it,basically to repent, and he said go27900:21:04.630 --> 00:21:08.190now move on with your life.All in what seven words? How many28000:21:08.230 --> 00:21:12.430women can do that right? Yeah, well, just in general, I28100:21:12.509 --> 00:21:15.670think men tend to be less wordy. Jesus, I think that. I28200:21:15.789 --> 00:21:21.019think it was not wordy. Yeah, he but one of the things we're28300:21:21.059 --> 00:21:23.380talking about, just like we talkedabout a couple of PODCASTS, to go28400:21:23.420 --> 00:21:27.660about how the body of Christ workstogether. They're different components and in different28500:21:27.740 --> 00:21:32.180folks with different giftings and different callingsand all that sort of thing, and28600:21:32.220 --> 00:21:36.849God uses all that in the sameway. God uses both men and women28700:21:37.369 --> 00:21:41.170on the sidewalks to Minister to abortionmounded women, in our different strengths,28800:21:41.329 --> 00:21:47.089in our different weaknesses. Yeah,I think probably, because I think it28900:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.640would be inappropriate for a man togo on board the mobiltra sound unit with29000:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.400a woman and get the ultra soundon their hands on dress. So yeah,29100:21:53.440 --> 00:21:57.799exactly. That will be totally inappropriate. However, just the scenario itself29200:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.910might not be a scenario in whichmen will thrive. Thrive so well,29300:22:03.990 --> 00:22:07.589because that's when you do get intothe meat of the things and you're not29400:22:07.670 --> 00:22:11.549just given solutions, you're talking aboutthe situations, you're hearing them out and29500:22:11.630 --> 00:22:14.549all that. You get more indepth with the conversations. Well, that's29600:22:14.589 --> 00:22:17.619a good point, because a bigpart of the RV experience where we bring29700:22:17.660 --> 00:22:19.859the women on to show them thenI'll just sounded their baby, is that29800:22:19.980 --> 00:22:23.900we listen to that huge, reallyimportant. Yes, you build a relationship29900:22:23.980 --> 00:22:29.299and you hear them so that theyfeel heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah,30000:22:29.299 --> 00:22:30.690and it's not to say that ofcourse we don't want to brawl brush.30100:22:30.930 --> 00:22:33.809Some men are more inclined to wantto talk at length than others,30200:22:33.890 --> 00:22:37.329but it does seem to be apretty general principle that men want to fix30300:22:37.490 --> 00:22:41.049things. I mean that's the casefor me. The Lord has helped me30400:22:41.210 --> 00:22:47.759tremendously, I think, through thisministry and through just learning from my wife30500:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.599to listen, to be an earand I don't always have to solve problems.30600:22:51.680 --> 00:22:55.440Sometimes I just need to listen.So but it does seem generally men30700:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.519are just problem solvers. We heara problem, yeah, you go here's30800:22:57.519 --> 00:23:02.269a plant. Yeah, and inthis scenario it can be a good thing.30900:23:02.309 --> 00:23:06.390That's right. Yeah, yeah,I agree with that. So then31000:23:06.430 --> 00:23:08.509the the last kind of guiding principle, and then maybe we could talk about31100:23:08.549 --> 00:23:15.539some of those specific samples, isthat Jesus often meets physical and other needs,31200:23:15.019 --> 00:23:21.019but again always with the spiritual counterpartof the primary goal being a right31300:23:21.099 --> 00:23:26.369relationship with God. So the menout there at an abortion center, Godly31400:23:26.490 --> 00:23:32.289met pro life men on the sidewalkcan be offering to meet the needs that31500:23:32.450 --> 00:23:36.690these women have expressed, just asjust like the women can offer that.31600:23:37.289 --> 00:23:41.759But the goal in both cases,and certainly in Jesus case, was that31700:23:41.799 --> 00:23:48.119always healing and meeting needs was tolead to a right relationship with God.31800:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.720Yeah, and to keep redemption.The Ministry of a Sidewalk Counselor Ministry if31900:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.670you guys listen, and minister ina pregnancy center, whatever context. Yeah,32000:23:56.750 --> 00:24:00.950it's always he's redemptive. Yeah,I the desires always redemption. It's32100:24:00.950 --> 00:24:07.390always to take a bad situation andallow God to redeem that situation. And32200:24:07.509 --> 00:24:12.380of course that won't Happen Unless theGospel is plainly laid out right, and32300:24:12.500 --> 00:24:17.259that can be done in in away that is not you know, you32400:24:17.299 --> 00:24:19.660don't have to be overly aggressive toshare the gospel. I mean, if32500:24:19.660 --> 00:24:23.099you've ever seen, which you've encourageyou guys in the past to do,32600:24:23.289 --> 00:24:27.329is watch summer ray comforts videos.You don't see an aggressive man, you32700:24:27.450 --> 00:24:33.730know, you see Ray Comfort Sharingthe gospel very, very forthrightly, but32800:24:33.849 --> 00:24:37.809very tactfully and all that with menand women alike, and that's to me32900:24:37.890 --> 00:24:41.839a good model of sharing the Gospel. Yeah, totally ID to some people33000:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.000might have in their mind. Reasonwhy I say that? Because some people33100:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.119might have in their mind because they'veseen videos on Youtube or whatever, if33200:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.279people men in front of abortion clinicsjust being like, I guess, overtly33300:24:51.319 --> 00:24:56.589aggressive and just calling out sin andwhatever people. I'm not going to.33400:24:56.789 --> 00:25:00.710I'm not the critic of that,but don't be surprised if you do that.33500:25:00.990 --> 00:25:03.230You know, if you stand ona stool in front of the abortion33600:25:03.269 --> 00:25:07.819clinic like a street preacher, don'tbe surprised very few women come over and33700:25:07.859 --> 00:25:11.019talk to you because you're not puttingyourself in a position for them to actually33800:25:11.740 --> 00:25:14.500come over and talk to you.God will, God will use I mean,33900:25:14.539 --> 00:25:17.259God's word doesn't return void. Godwill use that, but preaching.34000:25:18.579 --> 00:25:22.569So anyway, yeah, rabbit trailon that. Yeah, so let's get34100:25:22.569 --> 00:25:26.130into some of the specifics. Maybethen some of when Jesus encounters women.34200:25:26.369 --> 00:25:32.410Okay, how about Mark Twenty fiveto thirty four? Okay, that's the34300:25:32.490 --> 00:25:36.240woman who has been sick with ableeding disease, I believe. Okay,34400:25:36.319 --> 00:25:41.759yeah, for years and she toucheshis robe and in that passage she has34500:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.720a significant health need. She's unclean, by the way, right the eyes34600:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.960of Jewish law at the time,because she has this flow of blood and34700:25:49.109 --> 00:25:56.789that made her unclean. So sheshould not have touched Jesus according to Jewish34800:25:56.829 --> 00:26:00.190law. Oh Yeah, and Ithink it. Well, disciples, I34900:26:00.230 --> 00:26:03.109can't remember if they rebuked her.No, no, they didn't rebuke.35000:26:03.190 --> 00:26:07.900Can Actually rebeat her? Actually,they sort of rebuke Jesus when Jesus said,35100:26:07.900 --> 00:26:08.740and you know, he touched me, and they said, you ask35200:26:08.819 --> 00:26:12.180who touched me, and there's acrowd, crowd around him. That's right,35300:26:12.579 --> 00:26:19.250that's right. So, but hedoesn't rebuke her and say why did35400:26:19.369 --> 00:26:22.970you touch? You Break Jewish law. You touch me, a woman.35500:26:23.049 --> 00:26:26.890What are you doing? Yeah,what's wrong with you? And in fact35600:26:26.890 --> 00:26:32.920he commends her and says that herfaith has saved her. Yeah, so35700:26:33.160 --> 00:26:41.880he looks at this desperate woman andhe's gentle he's kind and even commends her35800:26:41.920 --> 00:26:48.990her attempt to be healed. Yeah, her a successful attend and it was35900:26:49.150 --> 00:26:55.750successful, and I think that's agreat model in in terms of what's happening36000:26:55.829 --> 00:27:00.740out in front of the abortion center, in that he looks for the positive36100:27:00.819 --> 00:27:06.660in a way. Yeah, hedoesn't look at the obvious infraction of which36200:27:07.019 --> 00:27:10.900there was in that time period.Yeah, but he looks for something that36300:27:10.980 --> 00:27:14.099he commend her. Yes, amatter of fact, I read this is36400:27:14.180 --> 00:27:17.890Mark Five, verse Thirty Four.Okay, and he is Jesus said to36500:27:18.009 --> 00:27:22.210her, daughter, your faith hasmade you well go in peace and be36600:27:22.329 --> 00:27:26.250healed of your affliction, and headdresses her as daughter. Yeah, and36700:27:26.369 --> 00:27:30.000that's a powerful term of endearment there. He doesn't rebuke her again, like36800:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.440you said, for breaking the Jewishlaw, because that would be she has36900:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.599a flow of blood right, andshe would be breaking because she's unclean.37000:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.559Yeah, Jewish law, and him, being very God in the flesh who37100:27:42.640 --> 00:27:48.549established that law, could have rightlyrebuked her, but he didn't. He37200:27:48.670 --> 00:27:51.990says daughter, he calls her daughter, your faith has made you well go37300:27:52.269 --> 00:27:56.230in peace and be healed of youraffliction. Jesus meets her very graciously in37400:27:56.390 --> 00:28:00.099that situation and immediately connects it toa spiritual it was her faith. Yeah,37500:28:00.180 --> 00:28:04.980that made her well. Yeah,so not direct application what we're dealing37600:28:06.019 --> 00:28:07.740with. As far as abortion mindedwomen. They're coming with a quite a37700:28:07.819 --> 00:28:14.529different disposition. But yet still it'snotable that Jesus was gracious to her,37800:28:14.650 --> 00:28:18.529even though she did, you know, break that one Jewish right. But37900:28:18.650 --> 00:28:23.289there is another slight way that wecould draw that even closer to the population38000:28:23.410 --> 00:28:30.000of women coming to an abortion center, in that she was disdained and overlooked.38100:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.799Yeah, because she was unclean.But Jesus breaks through those barriers.38200:28:34.119 --> 00:28:40.440And there are certainly people that justwant to scream at abortion minded women.38300:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.750Yeah, because they're doing something awful, and it is awful, it is38400:28:42.789 --> 00:28:48.910ruful, absolutely, but but weneed to look past that sometimes to how38500:28:48.990 --> 00:28:52.509can we heal? Yeah, howcan we help? Okay, how about38600:28:52.670 --> 00:28:56.819the woman who was crippled and bentdouble by demons, and that's in luke38700:28:56.980 --> 00:29:03.420thirteen versus ten to seventeen. Soin that story, just in general,38800:29:03.539 --> 00:29:07.140the woman has been crippled, itsays, by evil spirits. Yeah,38900:29:07.819 --> 00:29:14.650for eighteen years, and Jesus ultimatelysets her free from her infirmity. Laying39000:29:14.769 --> 00:29:19.329hands on her, she immediately straightensup and, as a result, praises39100:29:19.490 --> 00:29:26.039God. So he meets her needs. The result is to draw her out39200:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.240of evil control, these satanic she'sbound by Satan. He says. She's39300:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.759been bound by Satan for eighteen years, and then he delivers her to God.39400:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.240And I would suggest that these abortionminded women are, in a sense39500:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.309bound by Satan. Yeah, they'vebeen bound by lies from the devil.39600:29:41.549 --> 00:29:47.269Right. They've been bound by fear, which is a thing that we need39700:29:47.309 --> 00:29:52.230to understand, and we read articleabout that on our sidewalks for lifeside,39800:29:52.230 --> 00:29:56.059how women come under a spirit offear. And so there's that spirit of39900:29:56.099 --> 00:29:59.779fear they're under. So we needto come with that understanding for shore.40000:30:00.059 --> 00:30:06.380Yeah, and and how Jesus dealswith her is is he sets her free,40100:30:06.420 --> 00:30:11.049laying hands on her again, there'sthis this touch, a gentle and40200:30:11.210 --> 00:30:18.490compassionate touch that again meets the needs, but it points her to God.40300:30:18.690 --> 00:30:22.960And so the general principle, Ithink, for all men and all women40400:30:22.079 --> 00:30:30.359ministering at an abortion center is everythingyou do needs to ultimately keep pointing someone40500:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.559compassionately, keep pointing them to God. Yeah, so the woman caught an40600:30:34.599 --> 00:30:41.630adultery. That's a big one.That's probably the one that most fits the40700:30:41.829 --> 00:30:45.430parallel of what we face. Yeah, as in Pro Life Ministry. So40800:30:45.549 --> 00:30:51.500that's in John Seven, verse fiftythree and goes through John Eight, verse40900:30:51.579 --> 00:30:56.339eleven and and in that in thatstory, we've mentioned it many times,41000:30:56.420 --> 00:31:00.299she's caught in the act of adultery. Now here's an interesting thing. According41100:31:00.339 --> 00:31:06.089to Jewish law, both the adulterousman and woman were supposed to be brought41200:31:07.289 --> 00:31:10.930to justice, brought right. Yeah, for but where's the man? Of41300:31:11.049 --> 00:31:15.730course, yeah, he's he's notbeen included in the equation. And of41400:31:15.890 --> 00:31:21.960course their motivation is not about justiceright, not even upholding the law.41500:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.880Their motivation, it tells us inthe scripture, in order to trap Jesus41600:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.599Right, getting trapped in us anarea in which he'll say that she should41700:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.789be condemned, yeah, or thatshe should not be condemned. Yeah.41800:31:33.789 --> 00:31:37.230Yeah, of course Jesus, inhis awesome wisdom, out smarts those guys,41900:31:37.390 --> 00:31:40.509yes, and brings truth to heras will. I can't be forgotten42000:31:40.549 --> 00:31:45.069that Jesus didn't just glaze over hersin. Yeah, Jesus focused on that42100:31:45.109 --> 00:31:48.579sin and told her to stop doingit. Right yet right? Yeah,42200:31:48.660 --> 00:31:52.900show her mercy, for sure,but also shared her truth. Yeah,42300:31:52.140 --> 00:31:57.619and love and truth. And Ithink that's that's where how I summarized that42400:31:57.859 --> 00:32:04.170passage. Is She expects condemnation,m shaming, even death. Yeah,42500:32:04.250 --> 00:32:07.210for according to Jewish law, forwhat she had done. I'm sure she42600:32:07.369 --> 00:32:10.569was expecting. She's brought in frontof this grape man. Yeah, certainly42700:32:10.609 --> 00:32:15.160knows scripture. Yeah, this rabbiWHO's everybody's talking about. And and I'm42800:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.559sure there's any concern on her partthat she's going to be stone today.42900:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.559And yet how does he treat her? Is it condemning? Is it shaming?43000:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.839Is it threatening death? No,that it was. It was gracious,43100:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.789compassionate, but again forthright and truthful. Yeah, yeah, and and43200:32:34.230 --> 00:32:37.150so she we I guess, wedon't know what happened to her. We43300:32:37.230 --> 00:32:40.470don't know if she went and sendno more. I don't think we're told.43400:32:42.069 --> 00:32:45.019No, we're not told. InChurch history didn't didn't have her,43500:32:45.019 --> 00:32:47.980as far as I'm aware. Yeah, any stories about her, but we43600:32:49.099 --> 00:32:54.420can assume, with that encounter withJesus, that she went and obeyed Jesus43700:32:54.500 --> 00:33:00.890and maybe was one of the thesidell's that that followed Jesus and the coming43800:33:00.490 --> 00:33:04.450months and years. Yeah, andI think it's one of the most beautiful43900:33:04.450 --> 00:33:10.369passages as as an example for menministering to women. Is They are expecting44000:33:10.490 --> 00:33:15.079condemnation from you. They are,and if that's what they hear, you've44100:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.839you have become the problem, Ithink at that point, honestly, because44200:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.559they're you. You're exactly what theyexpected. But that's not what Jesus modeled.44300:33:23.640 --> 00:33:29.990He modeled kindness, compassion, truth, forthrightness and love. Yeah,44400:33:30.150 --> 00:33:37.509absolutely, along with truth. Sothen maybe the last one that we have44500:33:37.670 --> 00:33:40.150time for. You want to dojust one more? Yeah, okay.44600:33:40.190 --> 00:33:46.980So the last one is in Lukeseven versus thirty six to fifty, and44700:33:47.220 --> 00:33:54.970that's about the prostitute who anoints Jesusprior to His crucifixion. She's a sinful44800:33:54.970 --> 00:34:04.609woman, that is certainly suggested,probably a prostitute. She anoints Jesus's feet44900:34:04.970 --> 00:34:09.000with her tears and ointment, andthose that are with Jesus are appalled,45000:34:09.320 --> 00:34:14.800right on several levels that. Firstof all, what's he doing interacting at45100:34:14.840 --> 00:34:22.199all with this woman of ill reputeand she's touching him and they're just apalled45200:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.429that he would let her touch himand even say, don't you know who45300:34:25.510 --> 00:34:29.110this is? Right, yeah,that is touched. Yeah, I mean45400:34:29.190 --> 00:34:32.150one point is in verse thirty nine, it says now in the Pharisee who45500:34:32.190 --> 00:34:35.869had invited him saw this, hespoke to himself. So he just said45600:34:35.869 --> 00:34:37.230this in his own heart. Thisman, if he were a prophet,45700:34:37.579 --> 00:34:42.539would know who and what manner ofwoman this is who's touching him, for45800:34:42.659 --> 00:34:45.300she is a sinner. So,yeah, the filthy woman. Yeah,45900:34:45.420 --> 00:34:47.659this man's eyes. And if Jesuswas any kind of a prophet, like46000:34:47.820 --> 00:34:52.019people are saying or like he claimsto be, then he would know this46100:34:52.179 --> 00:34:54.050woman right, she shouldn't be touchingit. So it isn't that interesting that46200:34:54.130 --> 00:34:59.570he's questioning even they even who Jesusis, based on the fact that he's46300:34:59.570 --> 00:35:05.369interacting with this sinful woman? Ithink that that can clearly has applications for46400:35:06.289 --> 00:35:12.000what we do. We are notonly associating with clearly sinful women, they're46500:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.679about to kill their babies, butwe are offering them, I hope,46600:35:15.719 --> 00:35:21.590a similar sort of response as Jesussaw first. Yeah, yeah, so46700:35:21.829 --> 00:35:24.670from the perspective of this Pharisee,he wants Jesus to, in his eyes,46800:35:24.750 --> 00:35:28.750do the right thing and push thiswoman to the side and they get46900:35:28.789 --> 00:35:30.869out of here. Yeah, butJesus turns it on him and actually gives47000:35:30.909 --> 00:35:35.469a parable and talks about, youknow, basically, a man was owed47100:35:35.550 --> 00:35:37.460this much money and was forgiven thismuch money, and another man was owed47200:35:37.500 --> 00:35:40.659this much money was for giving thismuch money. Who you think would love47300:35:42.260 --> 00:35:45.980the guy that forgave the debt more? Well, the one who was forgiven47400:35:45.059 --> 00:35:47.940more. Right. And he's sayingthis woman, yeah, you might be47500:35:49.059 --> 00:35:52.170a righteous pharisee that has never brokenthe law or whatever, and she's a47600:35:52.449 --> 00:35:57.769your as a filthy prostitute. Andyet she's had an encounter with me.47700:35:57.929 --> 00:36:01.449Obviously she, I would say,knew who Jesus was way before this incident.47800:36:01.570 --> 00:36:04.960She just come in all of asudden. She'd had an encounter with47900:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.239Jesus before and she had seen Hismercy and the forgiveness that he offers and48000:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.360she loved him much because she wasforgiven much. Jesus gives her mercy and48100:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.590uses that as an opportunity to showothers that God is merciful, that those48200:36:20.630 --> 00:36:24.789who humbly repent, God shows mercyto now again, the scenario is a48300:36:24.829 --> 00:36:30.070bit different because we're encountering women goinginto the abortion center who haven't yet repented.48400:36:30.230 --> 00:36:32.820Correct. However, we want themto write, we want to have48500:36:32.900 --> 00:36:36.500a conversation with him, we wantto talk to them about the Lord and48600:36:36.579 --> 00:36:38.659talk to them about the resources andthings that would help them not to go48700:36:38.860 --> 00:36:44.219in there and and do what they'dcome to do. But again, our48800:36:44.300 --> 00:36:49.530disposition should be like Jesus in oneof receptivity. We want to be received48900:36:49.610 --> 00:36:52.769and what we're saying right. Yeah, exactly. And I have seen the49000:36:53.010 --> 00:36:59.929fruit of our ministry bring me awoman, not just me, all of49100:37:00.130 --> 00:37:05.880us, a woman who is sograteful, yeah, that she responds in49200:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.679a like sort of way, justwith so much gratitude and love and turning49300:37:10.840 --> 00:37:17.110to God. Then was so muchfaith, because she has been forgiven of49400:37:17.389 --> 00:37:27.070so much that she knows was wrongand and evil and sinful and at yeah,49500:37:27.110 --> 00:37:30.699and and in fact, I know, Daniel, you have a really49600:37:30.099 --> 00:37:36.179wonderful experience of someone who really cameto that point of repentance. Yeah,49700:37:36.739 --> 00:37:38.619yeah, this was not too manyweeks ago. We cheered it on our49800:37:38.699 --> 00:37:42.619blog, we shared it in anemail send out, and this is a49900:37:42.659 --> 00:37:45.489young lady who came to the abortioncenter right, and some of you,50000:37:45.570 --> 00:37:47.409if you've read our email send outs, it's the young lady who said I'm50100:37:47.449 --> 00:37:51.289going in for a refund. Well, initially, yeah, you know,50200:37:51.369 --> 00:37:54.130I had poured my heart out toher. I'd spoken to her for well,50300:37:54.570 --> 00:37:58.130you know, I'll just kind ofgive you the layout. She had50400:37:58.170 --> 00:38:00.840gone into the abortion center and thisbecause of the covid nineteen stuff. They50500:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.079were telling them to go back outsideand waiting their cars. So she comes50600:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.320out and this is on a Saturday, so it's pretty crazy. Other Saturdays50700:38:08.320 --> 00:38:13.670are police officers there, there's evenpro abortion people there. At that time,50800:38:13.750 --> 00:38:16.110thankfully, there were not pro abortionpeople there. But she goes and50900:38:16.230 --> 00:38:21.110she's sitting or standing beside her carand I called out to our said Hey,51000:38:21.190 --> 00:38:22.710just come over and talk with us. It's come and take my information.51100:38:23.110 --> 00:38:27.139And initially she was like no,I don't need what you have.51200:38:27.300 --> 00:38:30.699I'm okay, right, and Isaid something to the effective well, you're51300:38:30.699 --> 00:38:35.500not okay, you're at an abortionclinic. What I have will be really51400:38:35.539 --> 00:38:37.940helpful. Just come over and takethe information and I, you know,51500:38:37.980 --> 00:38:43.530I make sure my tone is agracious tone and I think tone does matter.51600:38:43.690 --> 00:38:45.289Some people might downplay that, butyou know, we say in our51700:38:45.329 --> 00:38:49.409trainings your tone will set the tone. If you have an angry tone,51800:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.250hey, come over here and talkto me, they're typically not going to51900:38:52.329 --> 00:38:55.639reciprocate nice with a nice tone.They're going to be angry as well.52000:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.760Right. And so, anyway,I just talked to her real graciously but52100:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.119forth rightly, and I said justcome over and take the information. Not52200:39:02.199 --> 00:39:06.159Going to hurt for you to haveinformation. She's okay, I'll come and52300:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.719get so she came over and shetook the information, or a little brochure52400:39:08.719 --> 00:39:14.510that we hand out, and Iwent right into okay, so what's going52500:39:14.550 --> 00:39:16.829on in your life? What makesyou feel like this is an option for52600:39:16.909 --> 00:39:21.909you? And she started pouring outher heart and listen, I've had people,52700:39:22.269 --> 00:39:25.820I've had women either stopping carside asthey're going into the abortion center,52800:39:27.059 --> 00:39:29.980coming out of the abortion center,all kinds of scenarios, share with me52900:39:30.179 --> 00:39:34.380things and I'm like that's Dmi,two months information. I don't even know53000:39:34.500 --> 00:39:36.739it, but I just roll withit. They're going to pour it out.53100:39:36.780 --> 00:39:37.969Yeah, I'm going to listen.Yeah, and I'm going to try53200:39:37.969 --> 00:39:40.889to just bring God a course intothe equation and that's what I did in53300:39:40.969 --> 00:39:45.210that situation. She shared some ofabout, like we talked about before,53400:39:45.289 --> 00:39:50.170the the boyfriend, or actually wouldn'teven her boyfriend was kind of one night53500:39:50.250 --> 00:39:52.599stand thing, but the guy whoshe was pregnant by was a dirt bag.53600:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.039That's that's I think that's the wordyou use these the dirt bag,53700:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.400and so I got into that andI talked about how God saves dirt bags.53800:39:59.440 --> 00:40:00.760I used to be a dirt bagand what God did in my life53900:40:00.760 --> 00:40:06.599and shared my testimony and then sheshared some of the other things and struggles54000:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.590and and all that was going onand, you know, by God's grace,54100:40:08.710 --> 00:40:10.869was able to talk to her andsome others came along. Some ladies54200:40:10.909 --> 00:40:14.989came along, One lady that areone of our volunteers who's post aboard of54300:40:15.070 --> 00:40:16.949and shared and one of the thingsthat she said, because I talked to54400:40:16.989 --> 00:40:21.980her, that the young lady wewere ministering to about the regret that comes54500:40:21.980 --> 00:40:23.699from abortion, and she said,well, first she started out with,54600:40:23.860 --> 00:40:27.860I'm afraid I'm going to regret ifI have this baby. I'm going to54700:40:27.940 --> 00:40:30.820regret it because I don't want tobring this baby into a situation where it54800:40:30.860 --> 00:40:32.860doesn't know it's Dad. I understandthat, but I said, you know,54900:40:32.940 --> 00:40:37.289understand if you have the abortion,you're going to regret that, right,55000:40:37.530 --> 00:40:38.369and she said, Oh, Iknow, I'll regret that. So55100:40:38.409 --> 00:40:42.130I'm like, okay, so youhave a scenario in which he might regret55200:40:42.809 --> 00:40:45.849having the the baby and then ascenario that you know you're going to regret55300:40:46.010 --> 00:40:49.250having the abortion. Yeah, well, why not? Do you know?55400:40:49.250 --> 00:40:51.679I'm just kind of not a salespitch, but I'm like, Hey,55500:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.679just way this thing out. Yeah, we're being very logical and very truthful,55600:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.000following the biblical guidelines. Yeah,you're doing great so far. Yeah,55700:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.880so thus far, doing fine,I guess. Well, it came55800:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.829to a point where I think Ihad given her everything I could and he55900:41:06.989 --> 00:41:08.230just kind of spelled it out toher and let her know the help and56000:41:08.309 --> 00:41:10.630the resources that are available, andshe said, well, I got a56100:41:10.750 --> 00:41:15.469friend who's WHO's trying to Tak meinto not having the abortion to I'm going56200:41:15.510 --> 00:41:17.070to go to my car and I'mgoing to call her. So she went56300:41:17.579 --> 00:41:20.900called her and then she came backout and talked a little bit more and56400:41:21.139 --> 00:41:23.500shared some more stuff with her andthen she said, okay, I just56500:41:23.579 --> 00:41:28.340don't know what I'm going to do, and so she went over to her56600:41:28.420 --> 00:41:32.130car, and that was just prayingGod, please get in your car right56700:41:32.210 --> 00:41:35.809the away from here, get inyour guys. Just plan. God,56800:41:35.889 --> 00:41:37.610please get Ahold of her her makesure, just don't let her go in56900:41:37.650 --> 00:41:40.010that abortion clinic. Lord, I'mpraying because you know how it is when57000:41:40.010 --> 00:41:44.289you poured your heart out and it'slike your heart is invested in this person,57100:41:44.329 --> 00:41:46.800and I just knew for her,if she had the abortion, it57200:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.519would destroy her, because she knewthe right thing. She had every reason,57300:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.559I mean, as we talk throughit and the way that she believed57400:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.559in God and the way that Godhad arranged things, even though the guy57500:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.869was a dirt bag. She hada good job, she had an apartment57600:42:01.909 --> 00:42:05.989with an extra bedroom, you know, and she was talking about how maybe57700:42:06.030 --> 00:42:07.230that would be a bedroom for thechild. I was like yeah, you57800:42:07.309 --> 00:42:12.190see how God. Anyway, shewent back to her car this point and57900:42:12.670 --> 00:42:15.389then I started to see her walkinto the door of the abortion center.58000:42:15.429 --> 00:42:19.340I'm like, Oh no, I'veseen that walk before, right. We58100:42:19.539 --> 00:42:23.380all, yeah, we all justshrivel up like we've given all we had58200:42:23.579 --> 00:42:27.099to give. But as she's walkingthrough the door, I called out to58300:42:27.219 --> 00:42:29.820our called out her name and Isaid you don't want to go in there,58400:42:29.860 --> 00:42:30.849please don't do this, and sheturns around says, Oh, I'm58500:42:30.849 --> 00:42:35.409not, I'm going in for arefund. Yeah, like then rejoicing broke58600:42:35.489 --> 00:42:37.889out on the sidewalk. Ultimately shecame out of the abortion center. She58700:42:37.929 --> 00:42:40.769went and got her money back,got her ID back. Yeah, came58800:42:40.809 --> 00:42:45.920out of the abortion center parking lotand stopped at the driveway and we pointed58900:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.440over to the mobile ultrass sound unitand my wife and Sarah were able to59000:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.039minister her there's my wife is thenurse and Sarah was the counselor on board59100:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.320that day. Ministered to her.She saw her baby on ultrasound. They59200:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.670share the Gospel with her. Shegave her heart to Jesus and you know.59300:43:00.909 --> 00:43:05.349So that's just one story of manywhere I've seen men in this situation.59400:43:05.469 --> 00:43:07.389God used me very graciously, butI've seen him use other men and59500:43:07.909 --> 00:43:14.460ministering two women at the abortion center. And actually she came back that next59600:43:14.579 --> 00:43:16.300Friday. So this was a Saturday, and so that next Friday, almost59700:43:16.340 --> 00:43:20.739a week later, she came backwith a gift basket for me and a59800:43:20.860 --> 00:43:22.699card. Yeah, that said,this, read this card. I'm looking59900:43:22.739 --> 00:43:25.420at it. You all can't seeit at its hand illustrated. It's just60000:43:25.500 --> 00:43:29.489speart of yeah, and I putit out on our cities for life facebook.60100:43:29.530 --> 00:43:30.849Yes, he can public space,so you guys to see it.60200:43:30.889 --> 00:43:35.610CHARLOTTE, cities for life facebook.But here's what it says. This is60300:43:35.849 --> 00:43:39.090there's really not any words to describethe impact you've made. I knew the60400:43:39.130 --> 00:43:44.079right decision. I just needed alittle push and you were that other voice60500:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.320I was seeking to hear from otherthan my own. Thank you. And60600:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.840so this she was just needing avoice. And, guys, I won't60700:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.559encourage you. Men. Yeah,you can be a voice. That's just60800:43:54.119 --> 00:43:58.550from my experience, but I'm tellingyou, I've seen it in other men.60900:43:58.630 --> 00:44:04.190I've seen God use men in thesesituations awesomely. I've seen God do61000:44:05.269 --> 00:44:08.429amazing things through men and women onthe sidewalk. So is it appropriate for61100:44:08.510 --> 00:44:13.579men? Is it okay for mento Minister to abortion minded women? Guys?61200:44:13.739 --> 00:44:16.219Yeah, necessary, yeah, it'snot just okay, it's necessary.61300:44:16.699 --> 00:44:22.500God will use you. Now you'redemeaning your disposition. They do matter,61400:44:22.699 --> 00:44:27.010but even if that needs to behoned a little bit. God will work.61500:44:27.090 --> 00:44:30.130God's worked on me massively. Iused to be a lot more,61600:44:30.610 --> 00:44:32.650I don't know, aggressive. Iwouldn't that aggressive I used to be.61700:44:32.929 --> 00:44:37.920I used to say things before thatI don't say now because they're just not61800:44:38.079 --> 00:44:42.679helpful in that scenario. I won'tgive any examples cut that want to embarrass61900:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.239myself, but you know I'm carefulwith the words that I say. I62000:44:45.320 --> 00:44:46.960want to be approachable. I mean, that's basically what it is. Yeah,62100:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.280I want to be approachable. Andso, guys, is your ministering62200:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.510this capacity. I want to encourageyou, but also would encourage you listen.62300:44:53.550 --> 00:44:57.789If there's some things you can kindof really in a little bit,62400:44:57.949 --> 00:45:00.110some things you can hone, somethings you can take from the example of62500:45:00.190 --> 00:45:05.230Jesus and apply those principles, doit and God will use you. And62600:45:05.750 --> 00:45:07.659so with that I think we'll wrapthis thing up. This is a blessing62700:45:07.820 --> 00:45:10.659to share this with you guys,blessing that you guys are listening to this62800:45:10.820 --> 00:45:15.300podcast. It'd be a real blessingif you would share this podcast, shared62900:45:15.380 --> 00:45:19.940on Social Media and let folks knowsome of the things that you heard some63000:45:20.019 --> 00:45:22.409of the things that were helpful.Let us know. Reach out to me63100:45:22.570 --> 00:45:25.409deep parks at cities for lifecom.You can reach out to Vicky v CASSIE63200:45:25.449 --> 00:45:30.690orgate cities for lifecom. Go toour sidewalks for life website. Hopefully we'll63300:45:30.690 --> 00:45:36.960have an article up in a coupleof days that talks about this and again,63400:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.280hopefully this was a blessing encouragement toyou guys, but until next time,63500:45:39.760 --> 00:45:57.230God bless me for love. Giveme our loft for gratitude. I63600:45:57.590 --> 00:46:06.699know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. And some met63700:46:06.900 --> you