Interview with Elizabeth Johnston (The Activist Mommy) - Raising Children in a Culture of Death

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours s and me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.669Lord, I am your. Welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast and300:00:10.789 --> 00:00:14.470this episode we're going to talk withElizabeth Johnston, the activist Mommy, about400:00:14.470 --> 00:00:17.870how to raise children in the cultureof death. Hope you're blessed as you500:00:17.949 --> 00:00:29.059listen to this episode. Stay tuned. I felt show passis touch your heart.600:00:31.460 --> 00:00:38.009Use me well. Welcome to theGospel Center pro life podcast. I700:00:38.090 --> 00:00:43.649had with me today the activist Mommy, Elizabeth Johnston, and she's going to800:00:43.689 --> 00:00:48.609share her heart about raising your childrenin the culture of death. We talked900:00:48.609 --> 00:00:51.359about the culture of death. Youknow, primarily this is a this is1000:00:51.399 --> 00:00:55.039a prolife podcast. We're talking aboutthe issue of abortion in light of the1100:00:55.119 --> 00:00:59.079Gospels. We're going to focus onthat issue and her heart is, you1200:00:59.159 --> 00:01:03.200know, toward that issue, savingbabies and proclaiming the Gospel, but also1300:01:03.240 --> 00:01:07.670might touch on even some other largercultural issues, because we live in a1400:01:07.790 --> 00:01:11.030culture of deaths or when it getinto some of the nitty gritty of that.1500:01:11.109 --> 00:01:14.549But introduce yourself just real quick onyour people probably know you. They've1600:01:14.590 --> 00:01:18.310heard the activist Mommy thing and they'veseen some of your your information or some1700:01:18.390 --> 00:01:21.420of your social media stuff out there. But introduce yourself and, yeah,1800:01:21.700 --> 00:01:26.700my name is Elizabeth Johnston and I'vebeen married for twenty years and my husband1900:01:26.739 --> 00:01:30.540and I have been blessed us togive birth to actually sixteen children. Six2000:01:30.659 --> 00:01:34.250have gone on to be with theLord or miscarried and we have ten living2100:01:34.290 --> 00:01:40.450children, okay, and we havereally raised our children on the front lines2200:01:40.530 --> 00:01:44.450of abortion clinics, long before Iwas ever the activist Mommy, okay,2300:01:44.530 --> 00:01:48.879we've been taking our children to abortionclinics ever since I've been married, yeah,2400:01:49.040 --> 00:01:52.959and going and praying and offering helpand hope to the women, men2500:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.840and women going in and honestly,it's one of the greatest things we could2600:01:57.840 --> 00:02:02.069have ever done as a family toteach our children the difference between right and2700:02:02.189 --> 00:02:08.270wrong, teach our children what's importantin life, show our children what happens2800:02:08.310 --> 00:02:13.150when you live a broken and sinfullife, how sin, yeah, leads2900:02:13.189 --> 00:02:16.699to brokenness and how you want toavoid that in your life. Teaching our3000:02:16.699 --> 00:02:23.819children to become passionate toward those whoare in broken situations and hard situations.3100:02:23.500 --> 00:02:30.530Honestly, so much of that hasbeen learned on the sidewalks outside abortion clinics3200:02:30.569 --> 00:02:32.610these last twenty years. It's notsomething you can just teach with a book.3300:02:32.810 --> 00:02:36.969Yeah, you know, you haveto show and not just tell.3400:02:37.330 --> 00:02:40.449Yeah, and that's one of thegreatest ways parents today can be involved in3500:02:40.490 --> 00:02:45.360a life changing ministry and at thesame time be changing the lives of their3600:02:45.400 --> 00:02:50.840children probably eternity. Yeah, so, I mean you sort of jumped right3700:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.520in there talking about bringing your kids. You have ten kids and you're bringing3800:02:53.520 --> 00:02:58.710these ten kids out to an abortionclinic and some people think you know.3900:02:59.229 --> 00:03:01.909No problem to me. My kidsbeen raising from an abortion clinic to but4000:03:02.430 --> 00:03:06.909some people who are listening might thinkyou know and that's that's that's a little4100:03:06.949 --> 00:03:08.990extreme. You know, we teachour kids you bet abortions bad, but4200:03:09.150 --> 00:03:13.419take them out to an abortion clinic. That's sort of like, you know,4300:03:13.620 --> 00:03:15.419that's taking it to the next level. What would you say to people4400:03:15.419 --> 00:03:17.780who sort of that's that's a barrierfor them, like I'm not going to4500:03:17.819 --> 00:03:23.379take my kids to an abortion clinic? Well, abortion clinics are the darkest4600:03:23.460 --> 00:03:28.650place, yeah, any city,and they need the light of the Gospel4700:03:29.050 --> 00:03:34.250more than any place in the city. And so I think it's a wonderful4800:03:34.289 --> 00:03:38.530opportunity to have your children. Theyare learning how to Minister Hope and Minister4900:03:38.650 --> 00:03:42.479The Gospel to people. You know, we named our ten child after a5000:03:42.560 --> 00:03:47.800woman named Eva Adol okay who surviveda concentration camp as a child and now5100:03:47.879 --> 00:03:53.159she's in hers and she's actually beenarrested many times for her pro life work5200:03:53.280 --> 00:03:59.349here in again America, once shehad moved here. But Eva talks about5300:03:59.629 --> 00:04:03.710how she wishes so much that whenshe was suffering in a concentration camp,5400:04:03.830 --> 00:04:08.789and a brutal, brutal suffering.Yeah, Kenny, wouldn't even be able5500:04:08.789 --> 00:04:12.939to discuss the suffering here on yourpodcast. She talks about how she wishes5600:04:13.060 --> 00:04:16.660so much that Christians, not acouple of Christians, but Christians by the5700:04:16.819 --> 00:04:23.899thousands, had laid their bodies onthe train tracks that were harding people made5800:04:23.939 --> 00:04:27.529in the image of God, youoff to these concentration camps. How she5900:04:27.649 --> 00:04:30.769wished that they had sacrifice because youknow, the the authorities wouldn't of a6000:04:30.889 --> 00:04:34.050cared if it had been two peoplelaying on the tracks, but if thousands6100:04:34.449 --> 00:04:40.279had had come to their aid inunity as the body of Christ, so6200:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.600many lives would have been saved andso you know, I don't want my6300:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.720children to ask me twenty years fromnow, when abortion is outlawed, just6400:04:46.839 --> 00:04:50.839like slavery is outlawed now, andand they ask me, mom, Dad,6500:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.910what did you do? Yeah,you know, they were, they6600:04:55.069 --> 00:05:00.389really killing babies on main street.Yeah, they were actually doing the imagine.6700:05:00.430 --> 00:05:03.110Imagine it's outlawed twenty years from nowand it's unthinkable. We can't even6800:05:03.149 --> 00:05:08.259fathom that this is happening, justlike we can't fathom, you know,6900:05:08.620 --> 00:05:13.459kidnapping people and and, you know, putting chains around their necks and their7000:05:13.500 --> 00:05:15.420feet. Right now we can't fathomthis. There's going to be a day,7100:05:15.740 --> 00:05:18.699Lord Willing, that we're going tohave the same victory over a board.7200:05:18.740 --> 00:05:21.810Yeah, Amen, when our childrenasked us, what were you doing7300:05:23.490 --> 00:05:26.009when they were killing babies, andall you can say is, well,7400:05:26.009 --> 00:05:29.329I was going to work every dayand I was voting Republican and I was7500:05:29.529 --> 00:05:32.009going to chanse on Sunday. Imean, don't we want to be able7600:05:32.129 --> 00:05:35.680to say that we did more thanthat, that we were willing to risk7700:05:35.720 --> 00:05:41.399a little something for the sake ofthese people made in the image of God?7800:05:41.560 --> 00:05:45.240And that's what these babies are insidetheir mother's wombs, and so you7900:05:45.319 --> 00:05:47.560know, I'm it's not any moredangerous than any other ministry. You do8000:05:47.680 --> 00:05:53.910outside really to to peep bol regardlessof what it is, and you know8100:05:54.149 --> 00:05:58.910you have a constitutional right to standon the sidewalk and exercise your free speech8200:05:58.949 --> 00:06:01.910rights and you don't have to beaggressive. Again, you can just come8300:06:01.949 --> 00:06:05.899and pray. You'll be amazed ifyou just show up and make yourself available.8400:06:06.459 --> 00:06:12.300How you know? Possibly within hoursyou could have a woman talking you,8500:06:12.459 --> 00:06:15.220telling you that her pimp brought herhere to get an abortion and she8600:06:15.300 --> 00:06:16.819wants help and she wants out andshe doesn't want to kill her baby.8700:06:17.060 --> 00:06:23.329It's incredible the situations you'll find ourselves. The statement just show up is a8800:06:23.410 --> 00:06:27.970very relevant statement when it comes tobeing at an abortion clinic. So sort8900:06:28.009 --> 00:06:30.889of what I hear you saying isand a lot of Christian parents, I9000:06:30.930 --> 00:06:32.959mean, listen, as Christian parentswe need to be teaching our kids the9100:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.040word of God right. We needto be teaching our kids what Jesus taught9200:06:36.560 --> 00:06:40.439and Jesus law, which is thelaw of Love, Love God and love9300:06:40.519 --> 00:06:44.319your neighbor. But what I hearyou saying is as that as Christian parents,9400:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.310we don't just need to teach ourkids that from the Bible. We9500:06:46.509 --> 00:06:51.110do, but we need to showthem that where other people need to be9600:06:51.269 --> 00:06:55.509loved. Right, we talk aboutlove, we talk about our desire and9700:06:55.589 --> 00:06:58.870our need to love our neighbor,but where our neighbors are being killed,9800:06:58.910 --> 00:07:01.819let's go love them. They're absolutelyfaith without works is dead. Yeah,9900:07:02.180 --> 00:07:06.060and so how impressive is your faithto your children when they don't see works10000:07:06.180 --> 00:07:11.019accompanying it? Yeah, and andhonestly, in order to be salt and10100:07:11.060 --> 00:07:13.540light, you got to get outof your house. Yeah, how are10200:07:13.579 --> 00:07:15.810the how are you salt in life? You're never out of your house.10300:07:15.209 --> 00:07:17.730And you know, I'm a partof the homeschool community. I have homes10400:07:17.930 --> 00:07:21.050gold every one of my children,all the way from the beginning. Yeah,10500:07:21.329 --> 00:07:25.129and we've, you know, goneto homeschool conferences and I'm speaking at10600:07:25.129 --> 00:07:29.209homeschool conferences, and this is actuallywhen you probably have homeschoolers listening to your10700:07:29.290 --> 00:07:31.199podcast. Yeah, this is oneof the witnesses, I would say,10800:07:31.319 --> 00:07:35.439in the homeschool community. Is thatthe salt is in the Shaker. Yeah,10900:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.639and it's not all. I likethat. Like you bring that point11000:07:38.720 --> 00:07:43.199up, because you're right. It'slike we homeschool to shield our kids.11100:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.029And you know, listen, peopletalk about helicopter MOMS and dad's and shielding11200:07:46.069 --> 00:07:48.589our kids. We need to shieldour out of it, to shield our11300:07:48.589 --> 00:07:51.870kids from sin. No Shame,course. Yeah, but it doesn't mean11400:07:51.910 --> 00:07:55.389that we're not. They're going tobe exposed to sin, it's just in11500:07:55.430 --> 00:07:58.069the proper context. Yes, soI like that you brought up. In11600:07:58.110 --> 00:08:01.899the homeschool movement people want to shieldtheir kids. Yes, and as people11700:08:03.060 --> 00:08:05.620people ask me, you bring yourkids to an abortion clinic and people are11800:08:05.699 --> 00:08:07.500cussing and yelling and on it.It's like this. My kids are going11900:08:07.500 --> 00:08:11.339to hear cussing. It's better forme that they heard in that contest and12000:08:11.420 --> 00:08:15.129they heard in some other contexts,because they at least can see the distinction12100:08:15.209 --> 00:08:18.329between light and darkness. You kindof get that same let them hear it12200:08:18.370 --> 00:08:22.610in the context of Mommy and daddyreproving it of yeah, and daddy shedding12300:08:22.610 --> 00:08:26.569light on the situation and bringing thetruth to the person. Absolutely my kids12400:08:26.610 --> 00:08:30.240have been exposed to all kinds ofthings, all kinds of arguments, whether12500:08:30.279 --> 00:08:35.279it be arguments for sexual anarchy,arguments for abortion, arguments for evolution,12600:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.519we love our children to be exposedto those things. We're not threatened or12700:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.110intimidated by that at all. Letit be in the context of you being12800:08:43.190 --> 00:08:46.990right there with them on the frontlines of the right issues. And those12900:08:46.029 --> 00:08:52.710things have just shaped my children intoreally warriors. You know, my kids,13000:08:52.909 --> 00:08:58.059my older kids, they are passionateabout this. They're not like uninterested13100:08:58.179 --> 00:09:01.500bystanders. You know, mom's draggingme out of the clinic. Oh No,13200:09:01.659 --> 00:09:05.940no, no, no, letme explain. They are waking me13300:09:05.139 --> 00:09:07.779up to go to the abortion clinic. They are saying mom, get,13400:09:07.940 --> 00:09:11.730get your mom out of bed.Yeah, let's get out there and rescue13500:09:11.769 --> 00:09:18.210children. Yeah, because you knowthey've they've felt that feeling that calms when13600:09:18.330 --> 00:09:22.210you save a child from abortion.Yeah, I mean it's addictive. There's13700:09:22.250 --> 00:09:26.120nothing like that feeling about those savinga life. And would you rather your13800:09:26.120 --> 00:09:30.799kids to be addicted to fortnight oror love that feeling so much they get13900:09:30.840 --> 00:09:35.039when they see a child saved fromfrom abortion? My kids love it and14000:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.029and they're not into video games andstuff, because frontlines ministry is exciting.14100:09:39.269 --> 00:09:43.429You know, there's nothing, nothingbetter than that, and I would I14200:09:43.549 --> 00:09:50.269would like to say that as parents, are our duty is to God first14300:09:50.429 --> 00:09:54.860and our marriage is super important andwe need to be willing to put our14400:09:54.940 --> 00:10:01.299children first and and very important waysand be weird in the culture if necessary.14500:10:03.259 --> 00:10:07.570For the I've only been the activistmommy for like three years, okay,14600:10:07.570 --> 00:10:13.250as far as that title in thatplatform or whatever. Before that I14700:10:13.409 --> 00:10:16.129never intended on being a public figurein any way. I was just a14800:10:16.289 --> 00:10:22.519diaper bag carrying homeschool mom who pouredeverything into my children and my husband and14900:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.840their giftings and their passions. Yeah, and I want to say to the15000:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.120young mother's listening right now that thatis super important and you have to say15100:10:31.200 --> 00:10:37.309no to a lot of things ifyou want a godly successful family. You15200:10:37.590 --> 00:10:41.909have to say no to a lotof things that are going to pull at15300:10:41.990 --> 00:10:46.429you in this culture, in ministry, in Church, you're going to be15400:10:46.470 --> 00:10:48.549asked to volunteer, to do thisand that and the other, and I've15500:10:48.590 --> 00:10:54.019seen so many moms like segregate themselvesfrom their children because the moms are doing15600:10:54.059 --> 00:11:01.059all of these wonderful ministry activities butthey're not spending the time that it absolutely15700:11:01.139 --> 00:11:05.049takes to nurture your children in theLord, to train them in the word15800:11:05.169 --> 00:11:09.129to discipline them, to teach themto be, you know, Amazing Warriors15900:11:09.210 --> 00:11:13.370for God, you've got to sayno, you got to be willing to16000:11:13.409 --> 00:11:16.370be weird if necessary. Maybe yourkids aren't going to necessarily go to the16100:11:16.690 --> 00:11:20.200youth group or the Sunday school classand you're had to make hard decisions that16200:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.799your children won't always understand in orderfor you to do what you believe is16300:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.519best for their their souls and bestfor their upbringing. And so I just16400:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.549want to say to the younger mom'slistening that don't feel guilty that you're not16500:11:33.669 --> 00:11:35.309doing all the stuff that I'm doingright now. I'm in a different season16600:11:35.389 --> 00:11:39.070of life where I've got all theseolder children who are helping me. I16700:11:39.269 --> 00:11:41.669would have never done, I repeat, I would have never done and what16800:11:41.789 --> 00:11:46.789I'm doing right now if I justhad four or five little stairstep young children.16900:11:46.830 --> 00:11:50.700Yeah, I poured everything into thoseyoung children and it has everything to17000:11:50.740 --> 00:11:54.139do with where I am right nowas a parent and how we're all now17100:11:54.179 --> 00:11:58.220working together in in ministry. Ithas everything to do with any success that17200:11:58.340 --> 00:12:01.769I have had. And and don'tfeel guilty. Don't don't go out and17300:12:01.929 --> 00:12:07.330save the world and lose your children. Your children have to be before the17400:12:07.450 --> 00:12:09.330world. Yeah, yes, oneof the things that we make sure with17500:12:09.409 --> 00:12:13.610our volunteers. We do have somehomeschool moms that are volunteers and some young17600:12:13.730 --> 00:12:18.000moms and and some dads too,and we make sure, hey, listen,17700:12:18.080 --> 00:12:20.840your first ministry is to your family. If you have the neglect that17800:12:20.960 --> 00:12:22.679to come out here, then you'renot you shouldn't be out here right.17900:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.440And so you know, that's that'sa good word, getting good encouragement.18000:12:26.879 --> 00:12:30.000But this, you know, thisbattle, you know, not just in18100:12:30.110 --> 00:12:33.149front of the abortion clinic, becauseyou're involved in more than that. You're18200:12:33.190 --> 00:12:35.909doing stuff nationally, you're speaking nationally. You did the day of morning.18300:12:35.909 --> 00:12:39.710I did want to bring the dayof morning thing up in New York,18400:12:39.750 --> 00:12:43.500when the governor and the the legislaturethere past some of those radical pro abortion18500:12:43.539 --> 00:12:48.460legislation. Ever, speak a littlebit about your burden with that, that18600:12:48.220 --> 00:12:52.980event, the day of morning thing, and just you know, a little18700:12:52.980 --> 00:12:56.779bit of how the Lord Progress thatthing, because that was that was an18800:12:56.820 --> 00:13:03.370amazing movement. It was a pivotalmoment in our nation. I think that18900:13:03.409 --> 00:13:09.009a sleeping church suddenly woke up.Yeah, it shouldn't have taken that we19000:13:09.049 --> 00:13:13.879should be just as outraged at afive week old in the uterus being murdered19100:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.600as a forty week old baby.Ye, murdered. But unfortunately, because19200:13:18.639 --> 00:13:20.960of the lethargy and the compromise inthe church, this is what it took.19300:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.440And so when governor Cuomo signed thatoutrageous piece of infantaside legislation, and19400:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.350all, a probortion legislation is outrageous, I should add this, this particularly19500:13:31.389 --> 00:13:37.830upset the sensibilities of Americans and ofbelievers, and so there was a huge19600:13:37.830 --> 00:13:43.379outcry and there was there was ahuge cry even to me individually, Elizabeth,19700:13:43.460 --> 00:13:45.940what are we going to do aboutthis? Yeah, from people who19800:13:45.980 --> 00:13:48.980follow what I do and and weprayed about it and I got a team19900:13:50.019 --> 00:13:52.820together and said, you know,what is our response to this? What20000:13:52.259 --> 00:13:58.009should God's people response be to this? And we just said, you know,20100:13:58.289 --> 00:14:05.210second chronicle, fourteen, morning morning, repenting sackcloth and ashes and apologizing20200:14:05.289 --> 00:14:07.210to the Lord for what we've done. If my people, who are called20300:14:07.210 --> 00:14:11.320by my name, will homma themselvesand pray and seat my face and turn20400:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.679from their weeked ways, then,and only then, well, I hear20500:14:15.759 --> 00:14:20.519from heaven and forgive their sins andheal their land, and we all know20600:14:20.679 --> 00:14:24.789that we desperately need healing in ourland, and so that was our response.20700:14:24.950 --> 00:14:30.429We called for the entire nation tofast and pray on that day in20800:14:30.830 --> 00:14:35.870February and we also held a largeservice in all beny, New York,20900:14:35.870 --> 00:14:39.139right in the belly of the beastthere where the legislation was signed at the21000:14:39.179 --> 00:14:41.820State House. And Wow, Daniel, I know you watched to be a21100:14:41.860 --> 00:14:46.620live stream here, what a powerfulanointed time and the way the Holy Spirit21200:14:46.340 --> 00:14:48.940was with us as we cried outto God. And we've seen a lot21300:14:50.139 --> 00:14:54.450of legislation and and a lot ofpushback came after that and a lot of21400:14:54.570 --> 00:15:00.049people going out onto the front linesto pray and to offer help to men21500:15:00.090 --> 00:15:01.970and women as a result of theday of mourning. And what happy I21600:15:03.049 --> 00:15:11.200think you somebody said that in thatlegislation and then the other several pieces of21700:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.519pro, radical pro abortion legislation thatcame out like the devil overplayed his hand.21800:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.279Yeah, God's people got stirred up. Of course, our prayers that21900:15:20.590 --> 00:15:24.990continues, not just a onetime thing. Yeah, we've had we've seen an22000:15:24.029 --> 00:15:28.350influx and people who are want tobe involved with us as a ministry.22100:15:28.830 --> 00:15:31.029And I think, Nashally, we'veseen the tension. I'm sure you've gotten22200:15:31.070 --> 00:15:37.139some some feedback on your facebook andsocial media all that, from people who22300:15:37.220 --> 00:15:39.419just stirred up and there. Youknow, they've been in the dark,22400:15:39.460 --> 00:15:41.899or not in the dark maybe,but just been asleep for a while.22500:15:43.220 --> 00:15:46.620Yeah, and they're just waking upto these to these things. And during22600:15:46.620 --> 00:15:50.690the day of morning, we worktogether on a website called, yes,22700:15:50.769 --> 00:15:54.250sidewalks for life, yeah, calm, with the number for sidewalks for lifecom22800:15:56.169 --> 00:15:58.649and plug in there, yeah,and which we're trying to provide resources in22900:15:58.769 --> 00:16:02.649training, even video training, thatwe have there on the website. And23000:16:02.730 --> 00:16:06.440you help. We work together onthat because we we realize, you know,23100:16:06.519 --> 00:16:07.879what are we going to do withall these people? Like Friday,23200:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.919four thousand people came calling you toaction, but we don't have an actually23300:16:11.960 --> 00:16:14.559for yeah, to the all ofNew York, day of morning and Fortyzero,23400:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.679we're watching be a live stream allone time. And like, what23500:16:17.759 --> 00:16:21.590do we do with all these peoplewho are ready to do something and put23600:16:22.509 --> 00:16:27.309feet to their their prayers? Yeah, of repentance and and so sidewalks for23700:16:27.429 --> 00:16:32.509livecom is a great resource for yourpodcast listeners to go to and get some23800:16:32.669 --> 00:16:36.139training and even what to say andwhat not to say when you're out there.23900:16:36.740 --> 00:16:38.659It's a great resource and help youfeel a little more comfortable if you've24000:16:38.659 --> 00:16:42.500never been out to an abortion clinicbefore. Yeah, so I think we've24100:16:42.580 --> 00:16:47.929touched on the activist part a lotand I think we could probably touch on24200:16:48.009 --> 00:16:51.649a lot more of that. Youknow, talking about the LGBTQ, X24300:16:51.730 --> 00:16:55.090Y Z three Po Agenda and howyou how you fought that sort of thing.24400:16:56.409 --> 00:16:59.169But I want to talk about themommy part. You mentioned some of24500:16:59.250 --> 00:17:03.640that and with that just awesome encouragementfor MOMS to do the main thing.24600:17:04.279 --> 00:17:11.240But what does it look like ona daytoday basis for an activists mommy from24700:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.480for a mother like many Christian moms, like every Christian mom, who's passionate24800:17:15.559 --> 00:17:19.349about the stuff that Jesus is passionateabout, yeah, and is passionately opposed24900:17:19.390 --> 00:17:22.509to the things the devil's trying topush. But but really, day today25000:17:22.589 --> 00:17:26.230they've got kids that they've got athey've got a ten too, and they've25100:17:26.269 --> 00:17:30.140got a train and they've got ateach and that's their first ministry. What25200:17:30.259 --> 00:17:32.740does it look like on a daytoday? Base Im, and I'm not talking25300:17:32.779 --> 00:17:34.700about break down your day and whatserially eat in the morning that, but25400:17:34.859 --> 00:17:37.180just, you know, just kindof nets and bolts. You know,25500:17:37.299 --> 00:17:42.180MOMS are amazing. MOMS are multitaskers. Nobody can multitask like a mom.25600:17:42.380 --> 00:17:48.690Yeah, and honestly, I canchange a diaper, Cook up some Bacon25700:17:48.730 --> 00:17:52.130and organize a drag Queen Story.Are protest faster and most men can probably25800:17:52.130 --> 00:17:56.250read one email. Probably. Idon't mean for that to come across the25900:17:56.289 --> 00:18:02.440wrong way, but there's something aboutMOMS that they really do have a knack26000:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.559for multitasking, and so that's whatthe activist Mommy is doing. Yeah,26100:18:06.880 --> 00:18:11.160is cooking for children in the kitchen, reading emails, sitting down on the26200:18:11.279 --> 00:18:17.150couch. I am working with myyoung ones, who can't read real fluently26300:18:17.190 --> 00:18:21.430yet, so we're still working onphonics and we're adding and subtracting with their26400:18:21.470 --> 00:18:23.630school books, and while I'm doingthat, I may be taking a couple26500:18:23.750 --> 00:18:26.539phone calls and then, you knowwhat, come twelve o'clock, I may26600:18:26.579 --> 00:18:30.180be telling my seventeen year old wewatch the children, I have a quick26700:18:30.220 --> 00:18:33.819interview and I run into the bathroomand hide and I do a quick interview26800:18:33.900 --> 00:18:37.539with fifteen minutes. Then I comeback out and you know, we're continuing26900:18:37.700 --> 00:18:42.970on with our day. I personallymake sure that my homeschooling functions without me,27000:18:44.250 --> 00:18:48.289mostly, yeah, that the childrenwork very independently on their schooling.27100:18:48.329 --> 00:18:52.569I pick things that do not requirea lot of me because of this season27200:18:52.730 --> 00:18:56.640that I'm in, whereas used toand the in the first ten, fifteen27300:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.359years of home schooling, you know, my homeschool day might have lasted most27400:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.640of the day and till to aclock or something, whereas now the only27500:19:03.680 --> 00:19:08.079ones that need me are like thethe five year old and a seven year27600:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.470old, and the rest of themare all doing all of their school independently.27700:19:11.910 --> 00:19:15.829It's amazing, yeah, how easyit is to make your home school27800:19:15.869 --> 00:19:18.869work that way. Yeah, andyou know, you don't have to grade27900:19:18.910 --> 00:19:22.670papers every day. It's something youcan do once a week, once a28000:19:22.789 --> 00:19:26.140month. You can utilize programs thatdo the grating themselves, so you don't28100:19:26.140 --> 00:19:30.180have to do that. There's somany amazing resources out there where you can28200:19:30.259 --> 00:19:34.420have your children at home, youcan be training them in the nurture and28300:19:34.420 --> 00:19:41.289admonition of the Lord. You canbe protecting them from the absolute evil insanity28400:19:41.410 --> 00:19:45.170that they're getting exposed to in thepublic schools. You can be doing all28500:19:45.210 --> 00:19:48.450of that and at the same time, you know, you could be maybe28600:19:48.529 --> 00:19:52.920going to your school board meeting thatevening to fight the transgender bathroom policy in28700:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.079your in your school. And youcan do it as a family, and28800:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.240I highly encourage you take your kidsto do these things with you. That28900:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.440is I don't know why parents thinkthey have to go do these things without29000:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.789their children. Know you want yourkids and toe. These experiences are life29100:20:07.829 --> 00:20:11.309changing. They will never forget seeingtheir MOMS stand up at the at the29200:20:11.349 --> 00:20:15.869school board meeting and and fight fortruth. You know, don't miss those29300:20:15.910 --> 00:20:19.309life changing moments. Take them withyou. There's so many things you could29400:20:19.309 --> 00:20:22.500do and I would just say dowhat it is that God is laid on29500:20:22.619 --> 00:20:26.579your heart. We are all adifferent part of the body of Christ.29600:20:26.660 --> 00:20:30.460Someone's the Pinkies, someone's the youknow, the nose, and do what29700:20:30.619 --> 00:20:33.940he's laid on your heart. Maybeyou need to run for school board,29800:20:34.019 --> 00:20:37.170maybe you need to deal with anissue with the city council, maybe you29900:20:37.289 --> 00:20:41.410need to be at the soup kitchen. Whatever it is that God has put30000:20:41.529 --> 00:20:45.809on your heart. Be Obedient inthat thing. Don't fear and be obedient.30100:20:45.930 --> 00:20:48.289And and it's like David when hewhen he slayed the lion and the30200:20:48.369 --> 00:20:52.799bear, you know, with hisbare hands and and he used his faith30300:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.400and courage in God to do thosethings. And then God said, all30400:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.839right, I'm gonna give you Goliath. You know, if you'll be obedient30500:21:00.960 --> 00:21:06.509in those little things, you mightbe amazed in just a few short years,30600:21:06.750 --> 00:21:08.589which is what I have seen happento me, not asking for this30700:21:08.710 --> 00:21:14.549to APP and how God might bringgiants to slay your way if you'll just30800:21:14.670 --> 00:21:18.380be faithful. He's looking for faithfulness. I mean be faithful in the nursing,30900:21:18.460 --> 00:21:22.220the midnight nursing and the diaper changes. There's not one diaper change you31000:21:22.299 --> 00:21:29.059do that God isn't seeing. He'sseeing every bit of Your Mundane, Boring31100:21:29.819 --> 00:21:33.849faithfulness around the house or whatever.Maybe you're a working woman, whatever the31200:21:33.930 --> 00:21:38.690situation is, He sees your faithfulness. Be Courageous when he gives gives you31300:21:38.809 --> 00:21:44.289something. You something's burning on yourheart and man, you know you better31400:21:44.369 --> 00:21:48.039watch out because God's about to dogreat things. Man. So I hear31500:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.920you say in you know, findout where God has called you and you31600:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.000create. Me If I'm wrong aboutthis, but bring your kids along.31700:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.680Yeah, US always, I thinkin our society, you know, even31800:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.789the church, the church probably isone of the most segregated entities on the31900:22:03.829 --> 00:22:07.710face of the planet. We segregatebased on race, we segregate, even32000:22:07.750 --> 00:22:11.470if within our programs, based onyour male and female and age group and32100:22:11.509 --> 00:22:15.500all that stuff. Excuse me.Some of that stuff, I guess,32200:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.140can be appropriate and there can beappropriate times to have, you know,32300:22:18.220 --> 00:22:22.339men's Bible studies or whatever, butfor the most part it seems to me32400:22:22.660 --> 00:22:26.539that we need to be serving togetherand doing stuff together. And when you32500:22:26.619 --> 00:22:32.170have a mom who you know,sometimes the husband, listen, sometimes men32600:22:32.250 --> 00:22:34.490have to work nine to five andit just can't be there and involved in32700:22:34.529 --> 00:22:37.089all those things. But right whenI see you guys and I see you32800:22:37.250 --> 00:22:41.009family doing stuff on a regular basis, it's like you take everybody you can32900:22:41.130 --> 00:22:45.440and everybody's inteen passenger. Vani pulloff. That's right, because this is33000:22:45.519 --> 00:22:51.079like we're serving God together as afamily. So sort of, if you33100:22:51.119 --> 00:22:55.200can speak to that mentality and howto sort of because it, because it33200:22:55.319 --> 00:22:57.869is you know, we live ina culture of death and I wanted to33300:22:57.950 --> 00:23:00.750kind of get to that point.We're talking about a culture of death.33400:23:00.789 --> 00:23:04.670We're talking about a culture who basicallysees children as a burden, yeah,33500:23:04.750 --> 00:23:10.829and sees, you know, pregnancyas a disease. How do we?33600:23:11.109 --> 00:23:14.420Even in the church, people haveembraced this mentality. How do you?33700:23:14.579 --> 00:23:18.859How do you cast that mentality offand say, you know what, I33800:23:18.220 --> 00:23:22.259think having ten children is a blessing, not a burden. Yes, how33900:23:22.299 --> 00:23:26.140do you throw that thing off andjust walking what God's Word says? Children34000:23:26.140 --> 00:23:29.970are blessing from the Lord? Yes, and embrace, I think, a34100:23:30.049 --> 00:23:33.089biblical mentality that we need to beserving as a family and children aren't asset34200:23:33.170 --> 00:23:37.170rather than a hinderance? It takeseffort, yeah, it takes energy,34300:23:37.769 --> 00:23:42.599because what it is is completely swimmingagainst the current to do this. Yeah,34400:23:42.720 --> 00:23:48.359even in Christians Society, Christians circlesI'm talking about. If you are34500:23:48.440 --> 00:23:53.680not willing to swim against the current, even in the church, you this,34600:23:55.119 --> 00:23:56.750this is one way where you'll justbe like everyone else. Yeah,34700:23:57.029 --> 00:24:03.029and so definitely as a family,pretty much, if we haven't been able34800:24:03.069 --> 00:24:07.789to do something as a family overthe first twenty years of of our parenting34900:24:07.950 --> 00:24:12.460we haven't done it. Yeah,we have chosen to do ministry related activities35000:24:12.779 --> 00:24:17.579that we can bring our children alongand even when my husband's had to travel35100:24:17.619 --> 00:24:19.460arrive, I've had to travel,we always try to take at least one35200:24:19.500 --> 00:24:22.819child. If it's an expensive planeticket or something, try to take one35300:24:22.859 --> 00:24:26.609child with it and, yeah,with us and let it be a time35400:24:26.690 --> 00:24:33.609of, you know, bonding.But this is something that was challenging for35500:24:33.730 --> 00:24:37.799us the first twenty years and thankGod we stood our ground and we stayed35600:24:37.839 --> 00:24:44.599the course on this, because theLord was really speaking to us about this35700:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.640that we didn't want our children necessarilyto be pawned off to the children situation35800:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.349or the youth group. We wantedthem to experience the big boy and big35900:24:52.430 --> 00:24:56.349girl anointing in mom and dad's service. Yeah, and I think that that36000:24:56.430 --> 00:25:02.470has an impact on on our children. And so we were always weird like36100:25:02.750 --> 00:25:07.420we our kids didn't go to children'schurch, they didn't go to youth group36200:25:07.579 --> 00:25:11.099because not because we didn't think thatthe teachers were awesome. The teachers were36300:25:11.140 --> 00:25:15.579awesome, they were amazing, butthere is something to be said for a36400:25:15.660 --> 00:25:19.500lot of interactions that take place betweenpeers, when parents are not their supervising36500:25:19.579 --> 00:25:25.170and when you are assuming that everythingis okay. Everything's not always okay.36600:25:25.210 --> 00:25:29.569Yeah, even at Church, oftentimesyour children are being exposed to things and36700:25:29.730 --> 00:25:33.410they don't you never hear about it, you will never know what they were36800:25:33.410 --> 00:25:36.640exposed to, and so you're notable to counter it, you're not able36900:25:37.160 --> 00:25:40.319to shed truth into that situation becauseyou're not going to come to you and37000:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.720tell you about things that are thatare uncomfortable, that they were exposed to,37100:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.200because then they feel like they're partof the problem, they're guilty of37200:25:45.319 --> 00:25:49.470doing something wrong. And so wealways had our children with us and we37300:25:49.549 --> 00:25:53.109were weird, yeah, because tothe church, at the church, you'll37400:25:53.109 --> 00:25:57.109be greeted by greaders telling you rightwhere to take your children, and we37500:25:57.190 --> 00:26:00.750would always, with a big smallon our face plight was say okay,37600:26:00.829 --> 00:26:03.549thank you very much, and thenwe marked our children right there and with37700:26:03.710 --> 00:26:07.940US two services. I can remembervery distinctly being a part of a small37800:26:07.940 --> 00:26:11.700group. You know, churches havehome groups, yes, small groups throughout37900:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.660the week, and we always triedto be a part of a small group38000:26:14.660 --> 00:26:18.809if a church offered that. Beinga part of these small groups where we38100:26:18.930 --> 00:26:22.130would go with our children and how, even if that meant you got to38200:26:22.130 --> 00:26:23.849entertain them a little bit, yougot to have coloring books and crayons and38300:26:23.930 --> 00:26:29.289things to keep them quiet while theBible study is going on. And no38400:26:29.410 --> 00:26:33.119one else ever had their children.Yeah, not even their teenagers. The38500:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.160teenagers were maybe at a youth group, kids were with a babysitter or somewhere38600:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.759else. Maybe it's some children's thingand the kids are never there. Yeah,38700:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.440and we were always the only oneswith our children and I just I38800:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.589think it's one of the best decisions, honestly. Yeah, we made as38900:26:48.829 --> 00:26:52.829parents and has shaped our you know, my kids are very you can attested39000:26:52.990 --> 00:26:56.789this. My children very comfortable aroundadults. Yeah, right, very conversational,39100:26:57.990 --> 00:27:03.339confident around adults, and I thinkthat when you're always putting children with39200:27:03.460 --> 00:27:07.779other children, it's not natural forchildren to be comfortable around adults. And39300:27:07.900 --> 00:27:12.420and we we should be training ourchildren for a future and how it's going39400:27:12.460 --> 00:27:17.329to be in the workplace or inministry. And so that was a weird39500:27:17.450 --> 00:27:21.809thing that we did and it wasdefinitely against the current, even in the39600:27:21.930 --> 00:27:25.690body of Christ. Yeah, andI think it was a very important decision39700:27:25.690 --> 00:27:27.009and one that we continue to operatein. You know, we go to39800:27:27.529 --> 00:27:30.480we go to a family integrated church, as some would call it, where39900:27:30.559 --> 00:27:36.960the children are are in the servicewith the parents and feeling the same anointing40000:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.240and getting the same type of teaching. And that's what I want for my40100:27:40.279 --> 00:27:44.279kids. Yeah, so it takes. You know, I would say from40200:27:44.349 --> 00:27:48.789my experience and what you share withme, it takes some intentionality and again,40300:27:48.910 --> 00:27:52.789not just flowing with the with thecurrent of society. And you know,40400:27:52.390 --> 00:27:56.670as it you pertains to the issueof abortion, and not just teaching40500:27:56.750 --> 00:28:00.660your kids and abortion is bad,but teach them because here's here's my thinking40600:28:00.779 --> 00:28:04.819is, we don't just teach ourkids something it's bad, we teach them40700:28:04.859 --> 00:28:07.819how to address the issue. Right. So this is not just a bad40800:28:07.980 --> 00:28:11.220thing, let's stay away from it. This is a bad thing and we40900:28:11.339 --> 00:28:15.130are called to address it. Andso what are you are you saying is41000:28:15.170 --> 00:28:18.089like take some intentionality. Yes,so, so in our kids lives,41100:28:18.170 --> 00:28:22.690to help our kids to be thesalt you mentioned before. You know,41200:28:22.890 --> 00:28:26.089so many in the homeschool movement orwhatever. The salt is still in the41300:28:26.210 --> 00:28:30.359Shaker and you're talking about we needto be intentional about getting it out right,41400:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.279getting the salt out of the Shakerin our in our families. What41500:28:33.400 --> 00:28:38.160are some like? I don't know, just practical things, just basic practical41600:28:38.279 --> 00:28:42.910stuff that people can do for theirkids in their personal life too, and41700:28:44.150 --> 00:28:48.109and and of course in their familylife, to be countercultural, but but41800:28:48.309 --> 00:28:53.470really to be going against the grain, but only because society is going against41900:28:53.630 --> 00:28:57.819God's grain. Yes, yes,well, what we were just speaking about42000:28:59.019 --> 00:29:03.980is one issue in which we seehow even the church is allowing some anti42100:29:03.180 --> 00:29:07.660child thinking, okay, to seepin. Right now, the kids go42200:29:07.819 --> 00:29:11.650over here right, yeah, they'renot with us in the in the big42300:29:11.730 --> 00:29:17.009service. You know there that thatit lot in a lot of ways can42400:29:17.130 --> 00:29:22.250be not always, but can berooted in an anti child mentality. Yeah,42500:29:22.289 --> 00:29:25.680and so we you know what,if you don't like us being with42600:29:25.759 --> 00:29:27.039our kids, then we're not goingto be involved in what you're doing.42700:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.359You know about like our kids arepart of the package. If we go,42800:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.119they go. Yeah, sure,and so that that's important, I42900:29:34.160 --> 00:29:41.509think as a family. Obviously,living the Christian life in a real way43000:29:41.630 --> 00:29:45.430in your home on a seven basishas to be there. If you're living43100:29:45.470 --> 00:29:48.950a hypocritical life. If your kidssee one thing on Sunday and another thing43200:29:48.990 --> 00:29:52.859throughout the week, you're you're goingto fail. Yes, a parent,43300:29:52.940 --> 00:29:57.900it's going to be a very,very toxic in your ability to try to43400:29:59.019 --> 00:30:03.019ever speak into your child's life,because they will lose all respect for you.43500:30:03.579 --> 00:30:07.690And so consecrating yourself to God andbeing faithful to God, seven and43600:30:08.250 --> 00:30:11.970letting your children you know what,apologizing to your children. Yeah, that43700:30:11.089 --> 00:30:14.329was going to mention that because,you know, we we sort of put43800:30:14.329 --> 00:30:17.009out there there's these principles. Youread the books, right. Yeah,43900:30:17.009 --> 00:30:19.690I've read the the training manuals forkids. You know how to train your44000:30:19.690 --> 00:30:23.640kids and and all that stuff,and it's like we're almost take this mentality44100:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.599and that, you know, weneed to be perfect and we want to44200:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.640show any weakness. One of thethings I've learned, and I think you're44300:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.839about to hit that point, islike repenting to your kids sometimes does more44400:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.910than even like having a pretended atleast, to have it all in the44500:30:36.950 --> 00:30:41.549road. Absolutely they've got to seethat you struggle with the flesh just like44600:30:41.789 --> 00:30:45.789they do, but that you,when you struggle with it, you do44700:30:45.950 --> 00:30:49.140what God expects you to do.Yeah, you repent and you get restored.44800:30:49.380 --> 00:30:53.940You know, if you mistreat someone, for me it's normally losing my44900:30:55.019 --> 00:30:59.380patience with my children and the activistmommy loses are paid. Yeah, yes,45000:30:59.700 --> 00:31:02.220you know, for me it wouldbe raising my voice in my children.45100:31:02.380 --> 00:31:04.650Yeah, and so then needing togo back and say, I'm sorry,45200:31:04.890 --> 00:31:08.170we forgive me and yeah, eatcrow, eat a little bit of45300:31:08.210 --> 00:31:11.650crow. You know, your childwill respect that. They see you walking45400:31:11.690 --> 00:31:15.730out a genuine faith in Jesus Christright and a desire to be a good45500:31:15.809 --> 00:31:19.200parent, and they will understand thatyou're going to fail and they will come45600:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.400back to those moments, you know, when they screw up, when they45700:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.319sin and they are at a crossroads of deciding how am I going to45800:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.440respond to this sin in my life? They'll come back to those moments that45900:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.509they saw mom and dad repent.And so, yeah, this isn't like46000:31:33.750 --> 00:31:38.069some kind of fake you know,are you put up? Yeah, that46100:31:38.269 --> 00:31:44.549that you're perfect. I'm talking aboutgenuine love for God, day in and46200:31:44.589 --> 00:31:48.140day out, trying to do yourbest for God, and that also will46300:31:48.220 --> 00:31:52.500always include, at times, havingto repent to the Lord, repent to46400:31:52.539 --> 00:31:55.980people in your life. Sure,do you feel like, and I don't46500:31:56.019 --> 00:31:59.539know you'll agree with me, saysit's kind of like us us also softball.46600:32:00.019 --> 00:32:02.490But your relationship with your husband,we had we mentioned him a little46700:32:02.490 --> 00:32:08.289bit. Dr Johnston. Yes,do you feel like that? That relationship?46800:32:08.609 --> 00:32:13.049You know, I've told people thatrelationship, the husband wife relationship,46900:32:13.569 --> 00:32:16.880is the most important relationship in yourkids lives, right apart from obviously a47000:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.359relationship with the Lord, because thatrelationship, the husband wife relationship, it47100:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.480isn't going to need be what itneeds to be unless we're in line with47200:32:23.519 --> 00:32:28.599the Lord. But the husband andwife relationship and just doing practical stuff there47300:32:29.680 --> 00:32:34.029you find the investment there also paysoff in the children's lives. Oh my47400:32:34.150 --> 00:32:37.710goodness, so much. I meanmy husband I both come from broken families47500:32:37.269 --> 00:32:43.910and and you know, we reallysaid we planned on the family tree looking47600:32:43.990 --> 00:32:49.579different from our marriage on, andboth of our parents were divorced, and47700:32:49.700 --> 00:32:52.460so it's something that you have toreally, really work hard at. And47800:32:52.819 --> 00:32:59.170obviously ten children brings, you know, everyday stress into your life and as47900:32:59.210 --> 00:33:02.490kids get older and are dealing withbigger things and bigger issues and life decisions,48000:33:02.569 --> 00:33:07.170and I haven't even entered grandparents stageyet. I as I enter that48100:33:07.289 --> 00:33:08.890stage, I can't even fathom howmuch I'm going to have to be on48200:33:08.970 --> 00:33:14.920my knees for grand babies and andand for my children. But yes,48300:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.680the the marriage relationship, I wouldsay definitely try to have a one night48400:33:17.720 --> 00:33:21.920a week, yeah, or day, whatever the situation is for you,48500:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.960a time a week where you havea date with your with your spouse,48600:33:25.160 --> 00:33:30.549and just decompress. And from thatmeans like upscale restaurant? No, we48700:33:30.630 --> 00:33:35.470can be peb and Ja and thebackyard if necessary, if there's not a48800:33:35.589 --> 00:33:39.950babysitter. Just an intentional attempt,and we've done it at home before.48900:33:40.069 --> 00:33:44.740We've done something in our bedroom,you know, cook a meal and and49000:33:44.940 --> 00:33:47.700have a candle light, Yep,and shut the door and kids are watching49100:33:47.819 --> 00:33:52.859a video. Whatever. Does ithave to be fancy? Just an intentional49200:33:52.940 --> 00:33:58.529effort to have conversation more than wherewe going? What are we doing?49300:33:58.769 --> 00:34:04.250You know? Yeah, Doctor's appointments, whatever. Intentional connection with your spouse49400:34:04.410 --> 00:34:10.400is super important. And yes,obviously if children see a broken marriage,49500:34:10.400 --> 00:34:14.920it can have a devastating effect ontheir lives. And Yeah, my husband49600:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.320and I have had to work very, very hard and may be very intentional49700:34:17.360 --> 00:34:24.190about our marriage. It's not beeneasy and marriage is really the hardest ministry49800:34:24.670 --> 00:34:29.630you will ever encounter. Absolutely,and and then second to that would be49900:34:29.869 --> 00:34:32.349your children, and they are ourmost important ministry. And, like I50000:34:32.429 --> 00:34:37.030said before, if we're failing atthose and, as the word teaches,50100:34:37.150 --> 00:34:43.059if we can't handle our own house, you know, who are we to50200:34:43.500 --> 00:34:45.500try to be leaders in the Houseof God? Yeah, and so that50300:34:45.619 --> 00:34:51.179that has to be our focus.Yeah, so, you know, we50400:34:51.420 --> 00:34:55.170talked about again the culture of deathand mentioned some one twenty seven children are50500:34:55.289 --> 00:34:59.769blessing from the Lord. I thinkyou mention about coming from a broken home50600:34:59.969 --> 00:35:04.289and coming from divorced parents. Youryour husband's parents were divorced. I feel50700:35:04.289 --> 00:35:07.599like that the the spirit of divorce, just like the no fault divorce sort50800:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.760of thing, is a part ofthat culture of death. Yes, right,50900:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.280this is like the culture that wantsa culture of death. You mean51000:35:15.320 --> 00:35:16.320you tell me what you think thismeans, but to me it's like the51100:35:16.360 --> 00:35:22.510chipping away of the image of God. Yes, it's the devaluing of human51200:35:22.590 --> 00:35:24.670beings, which is what we seeat an abortion clinic, but it's also51300:35:24.750 --> 00:35:30.429what we see nationally when we're talkingabout abortion, but also when we're talking51400:35:30.469 --> 00:35:36.820about the transgender confusion, divorce,we're talking about you homosexual quote marriage and51500:35:36.900 --> 00:35:40.260that sort of thing. But definefor me, just give me kind of51600:35:40.300 --> 00:35:44.340your take on on the culture ofdeath. And, as you know,51700:35:44.380 --> 00:35:47.260we're teaching our kids, obviously,to be in in the word and to51800:35:47.380 --> 00:35:52.130know the Lord, and that's counterculturalbecause we live in a culture of death.51900:35:52.570 --> 00:35:55.369So talk about the culture death andthe influence of that can have on52000:35:55.530 --> 00:36:00.210kids and then you know how,maybe you've seen some of your kids overcome52100:36:00.289 --> 00:36:06.719some of that car but yeah,well, Satan obviously is going to do52200:36:06.880 --> 00:36:12.840everything he can and pull out allthe stops to attack really the greatest institution52300:36:13.400 --> 00:36:17.159ever, yeah, designed by ourcreator, and that's the institution of marriage.52400:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.630Yeah, he's going to attack thethe one woman, one man family,52500:36:22.750 --> 00:36:27.829and that is what we are seeing. We're seeing this attack through,52600:36:29.030 --> 00:36:35.380obviously, oh Berger fell versus hodges, when it was the Supreme Court decision,52700:36:35.380 --> 00:36:38.019I believe, in two thousand andfifteen, was a massive, massive52800:36:38.380 --> 00:36:45.460defeat for the natural family and forthe God's God's design and attention. Before52900:36:45.500 --> 00:36:47.289that was their marrying, homosexual quotemarriage. That was case. Yes,53000:36:47.329 --> 00:36:51.250yes, and you know, wewarned, we warned. If we go53100:36:51.409 --> 00:36:55.849down this road, mark our words, we will be seeing so much more53200:36:55.969 --> 00:37:00.449evil. It will. It's likea damn of protection was broken. Yeah,53300:37:00.690 --> 00:37:07.400and our nation and all manner ofevil is now just flowing out and53400:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.639and just taking over our culture and, you know, to the to the53500:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.519point that now people can't figure outif there were a man or a woman.53600:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.949We've got two hundred pound men inthe private bathrooms and shower rooms and53700:37:17.989 --> 00:37:23.590locker rooms of our little girls andjust such depravity. And now pedophilia is53800:37:23.750 --> 00:37:29.469yeah, honestly, but this isn'tconspiracy theory, this isn't Alex Jones Info,53900:37:29.550 --> 00:37:34.500wars information. This is now becomingmainstream, that there is now a54000:37:34.619 --> 00:37:37.980push for pedophilia in culture. Andto say, you know, what is54100:37:37.219 --> 00:37:42.619just is just my preference, justlike homosexual. I was born that way.54200:37:42.739 --> 00:37:46.889I'm born preferring children. This isactually happening. Yeah, and our54300:37:46.929 --> 00:37:52.130nation, I mean Sodom and gomore the The Times of Rome and what54400:37:52.329 --> 00:37:55.210happened to Rome. It was destroyedand we are no greater. I mean54500:37:55.250 --> 00:38:00.159we are ripe for catastrophic judgment ifwe do not repent of our sin,54600:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.800repent of this. You know,murder that we're allowing to take place in54700:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.679our nation and still, you know, really experience a widespread revival, spiritual54800:38:09.719 --> 00:38:14.550revival in our land. We're indeep, deep trouble. And so,54900:38:15.469 --> 00:38:20.150yeah, there's there's obviously a realattack on on family and we just got55000:38:20.230 --> 00:38:22.789to make sure, as God's people, that we are being, like you55100:38:22.869 --> 00:38:30.619said, very intentional about protecting ourfamily first from the onslaught of the enemy55200:38:30.780 --> 00:38:32.699and evil. And you know what, one of the ways that really hits55300:38:32.739 --> 00:38:37.380us right now as parents is throughsocial media and through Internet and through things55400:38:37.420 --> 00:38:42.409that your children are able to access. And I just want to say that55500:38:43.130 --> 00:38:45.530no one would, in the soundof my voice, should have any child55600:38:45.929 --> 00:38:51.929on any device in their home thatis not protected by something very, very55700:38:51.969 --> 00:38:57.679strong that provides not only screening butaccountability for you as parents and for us55800:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.760personally. We've always used covenant eyes. Okay, we have had issues and55900:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.199in our family we have had struggles. I have caught things, children have56000:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.829confessed things to me without being caught. My kids are real, just like56100:39:10.949 --> 00:39:15.110everybody else is, okay, andbecause of that I love Covenant Eyes.56200:39:15.949 --> 00:39:21.869It is a small fee every monthand it we have like six devices on56300:39:22.030 --> 00:39:25.980Covenant Eyes and what it does isif your child or anyone, husband,56400:39:27.019 --> 00:39:30.420wife, tries to click on somethingwhere Covenant Eyes is installed and it is56500:39:30.500 --> 00:39:35.380blocked, you will get an emailtelling you what was blocked. Yeah,56600:39:35.380 --> 00:39:38.969and then it allows you to havethat accountability conversation and find out what's going56700:39:39.090 --> 00:39:43.170on. Why did you try toclick that? You know, and find56800:39:43.210 --> 00:39:45.610out what's going on in their heart. That parental conversation that needs to happen.56900:39:46.530 --> 00:39:52.360But seriously, seriously, if youdo not have your computers protected,57000:39:53.440 --> 00:39:59.360devices phones in your home, thisis absolute negligence as a parent. I57100:39:59.639 --> 00:40:05.400cannot express this strongly enough, becausewho, what kind of parent, would57200:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.150allow their children to carry around aplayboy magazine all day and all night in57300:40:08.230 --> 00:40:12.030their hand? Yeah, that iswhat our children are doing. So these57400:40:12.070 --> 00:40:15.750cell phones that have Internet, thatis what they're doing. When you think57500:40:15.789 --> 00:40:20.429they're doing school on their computers.If you don't have your computer protected,57600:40:20.550 --> 00:40:23.780I know you think your child's anangel. They're not. Yeah, yeah,57700:40:23.900 --> 00:40:28.500they're not. Trust me, they'revulnerable. I appreciate you bring that,57800:40:28.619 --> 00:40:31.780that subject up, because that isa it's still still ties into the57900:40:31.900 --> 00:40:38.570culture of death sort of thing.The whole Perno pornography epidemic and you know,58000:40:38.690 --> 00:40:43.889some have said, I think Iagree, that if pronography didn't exist,58100:40:44.010 --> 00:40:46.449an abortion probably wouldn't exist because,you know, these young men are58200:40:46.489 --> 00:40:52.360spurred with with feelings and emotions andto do things they normally, at certain58300:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.760ages, wouldn't be doing when you'rethinking about but these images and all this58400:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.519stuff, like sin, always takesyou further than you then you really wanted58500:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.590to go, yes, and soI appreciate you bring that. It's all58600:41:04.670 --> 00:41:10.070very connected. It's all interconnected andwith the whole sexual revolution sort of thing58700:41:10.269 --> 00:41:15.469and all of this. You know, it's rooted in sort of a godless58800:41:15.550 --> 00:41:21.980mentality that God really is deleted fromfrom society and really has no bearing own58900:41:22.059 --> 00:41:27.179things, and it has to dowith rebellion, obviously against God for those59000:41:27.179 --> 00:41:30.980who have that mentality. And thenalways manifests itself in attacking the image of59100:41:31.059 --> 00:41:37.090God attached attacking human being. Pornographyis attack on the image of God,59200:41:37.130 --> 00:41:43.610worst kind of misogynistic exploitation, youknow. And and to think that the59300:41:43.690 --> 00:41:49.480radical feminist out there who always throwingaround those terms like misogyny exploitation, you59400:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.280know, and they are typically verypro pornography and call that free speech.59500:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.599Yes, very hypocritical, because itis a terrible type of exploitation. And59600:41:58.679 --> 00:42:06.429now we have a massive portion,percentage of the population that is completely addicted,59700:42:06.469 --> 00:42:09.949yeah, to sex, addicted topornography, addicted to sexual anarchy,59800:42:10.469 --> 00:42:15.059and more and more so. Thatpornography is very violent and it is even59900:42:15.219 --> 00:42:22.059pedophilic in nature, and so muchdestruction has come through through not being aggressive60000:42:22.420 --> 00:42:25.380at shutting that down. But parents, you you can do your part,60100:42:25.380 --> 00:42:29.539at least until you know why ourchildren are in your home. Yeah,60200:42:30.449 --> 00:42:35.610to to train your children, notjust obviously you've got to train them to60300:42:35.809 --> 00:42:37.449want God. You've got to trainthem to want to be used of God60400:42:37.730 --> 00:42:43.130and to want to have pure heartsand to want holiness. That's that's a60500:42:43.210 --> 00:42:45.880massive part of it. But thetruth is you've got to do both.60600:42:46.159 --> 00:42:51.920You've got to not only train themto avoid sin and to see the the60700:42:52.360 --> 00:42:58.199terrible results of sin, you alsoneed to provide that accountability and because,60800:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.989let's just face it, none ofus, if we had been had the60900:43:01.070 --> 00:43:05.429opportunity to do some of the thingsand be exposed as some of the things61000:43:05.829 --> 00:43:09.190in our youth that children are allowedto be exposed to today. You know,61100:43:09.309 --> 00:43:14.659we know that our lives very wellmight have been very different. Yeah,61200:43:14.659 --> 00:43:16.019they are now. I can onlyimagine if I had, you know,61300:43:16.059 --> 00:43:21.059a mini pocket computer that could carryit out everywhere, whenevers. A61400:43:21.139 --> 00:43:23.619young PRA ajor who knows a garbageyou know, I was already exposed to61500:43:23.659 --> 00:43:28.849garbage right now, exposed. Iwent after it myself, right man,61600:43:29.130 --> 00:43:32.489that's just, yeah, that's it'seffortless. Now and again I say parental61700:43:32.610 --> 00:43:37.010negligence. Yeah, if you arenot making sure that all the devices in61800:43:37.090 --> 00:43:43.480your home are lockdown sufficiently. Again, it takes energy, it takes effort.61900:43:43.840 --> 00:43:50.239You cannot be lazy, yeah,about parenting. Laziness will will end62000:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.840up resulting in a lot of Disciplinpointment for you. Yeah, a lot62100:43:53.920 --> 00:43:59.989of pain for you. Ultimately,the energy put in is so worth it.62200:44:00.070 --> 00:44:04.429Yeah, you know, seeing mykids be passionate about serving the Lord62300:44:04.429 --> 00:44:09.260and leading in ministry now and sayingno to evil, it is so worth62400:44:09.659 --> 00:44:14.699all of the swimming against the currentthat I did. Yeah, yeah,62500:44:14.739 --> 00:44:16.260you know, going with the current, just kind of sitting in the Lazy62600:44:16.300 --> 00:44:20.820River of life, is the easyway to do it. But those are62700:44:20.900 --> 00:44:22.659not the people that we remember inhuman history. Who just kind of went62800:44:22.699 --> 00:44:27.489with the the tide and went withthe currents. You're right, swam against62900:44:27.530 --> 00:44:31.329it and we need to do thatas parents on sort of a micro level.63000:44:31.769 --> 00:44:34.929You know, then the Lord cando I mean, I look at63100:44:35.250 --> 00:44:37.719the life of a woman like SusannaWesley, if you've ever read her life,63200:44:38.079 --> 00:44:42.039I mean kids. They have likefourteens, yes, and she raises63300:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.159two of the most godly men,Charles and John Wesley, that we remember63400:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.519in history, and cheated some difficultstuff, you know, and I'm sure63500:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.840there was a lot of battles inthe house and a lot of stuff,63600:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.070you know, going on behind thescenes. But we remember somebody like that,63700:44:54.269 --> 00:44:59.389we remember the impact her kids hadand and I think it gives us63800:44:59.389 --> 00:45:02.989some fuel for the fire and inthe mundane stuff, because that's really where63900:45:02.989 --> 00:45:07.699the rubber meets the ready. Mundaneis life. You know, you'll probably64000:45:07.699 --> 00:45:09.099leave here and change some diapers whenyou get home. You still have kids64100:45:09.139 --> 00:45:13.099and I have one in pull up, some one in pull up. Yeah,64200:45:13.139 --> 00:45:15.179that's where we're at. To youngestis three. She's a nighttime pull64300:45:15.219 --> 00:45:19.300up. So yeah, that's wherewe're at. It's sort of it's weird64400:45:19.420 --> 00:45:22.050not to have a lot of diapers. It is, it's nice, it's64500:45:22.090 --> 00:45:23.650weird, but it's also it's kindof sad to you. It won't take64600:45:23.690 --> 00:45:27.409long, though. You're going tohave a grand bas you never know,64700:45:27.769 --> 00:45:30.530right. I appreciate you coming andshared is anything else you want to you64800:45:30.610 --> 00:45:34.889want to touch on before we wrapthis thing up, I just say,64900:45:35.050 --> 00:45:37.920going back to what I said earlierabout being faithful in the small things and65000:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.400in the mundane things. That shouldalways be our priority. Yeah, whether65100:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.280someone's watching or whether they're not.What who are we? Yeah, when65200:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.960no one is watching. That shouldalways be our focus and our hearts cry65300:45:50.429 --> 00:45:52.469should just always be you know,Lord, I don't deserve anything. You've65400:45:52.469 --> 00:45:59.550given me salvation and I deserve hellin the lake of fire, and here65500:45:59.630 --> 00:46:01.190you are. You've offered me salvationof all. For me, Jesus,65600:46:01.230 --> 00:46:06.179you've all from me, Eternity andHeaven and paradise with you. What can65700:46:06.260 --> 00:46:08.619I do to serve you? Howcan I be used in your kingdom if65800:46:08.659 --> 00:46:14.699that's us behind the scenes all thetime, even when we're struggling in our65900:46:14.739 --> 00:46:19.010marriage, even when we're struggling ina crisis with our children? I promise66000:46:19.050 --> 00:46:22.250you, God sees that and youknow what you will be rewarded for that.66100:46:22.929 --> 00:46:25.489You may be rewarded for that inthis life or it may be a66200:46:25.570 --> 00:46:30.449reward in the next life, butit does not go on sane and it66300:46:30.530 --> 00:46:34.199does not go unrewarded, and sobe encouraged with that. Yeah, Amen.66400:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.719Amen. Well, we appreciate thosewho have joined us and hope this,66500:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.599this podcast, was a blessing toyou. Appreciate you, Elizabeth,66600:46:40.679 --> 00:46:45.360for coming and take it some timeaway from your kids and your husband to66700:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.789come and do this, this ispodcast with us. Do when are you66800:46:47.909 --> 00:46:52.150mind? You, Elizabeth, broughtit up earlier the sidewalks for life side66900:46:52.190 --> 00:46:55.829that we've set up sidewalks the numberfour lifecom and that has some articles about67000:46:55.829 --> 00:47:00.110sidewall counseling and how to get equippeddoing sidewalk councling, Gospel centered sidewalk counseling.67100:47:00.190 --> 00:47:05.659Really feel like the Gospel is importantto be the focus and the thrust67200:47:05.699 --> 00:47:07.699of our ministry, to proclaim theGospel, and so information about that is67300:47:07.820 --> 00:47:12.500there. You can connect with meCharlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org and67400:47:12.579 --> 00:47:15.409just shoot me an email if youhave suggestions for the podcast subjects you want67500:47:15.409 --> 00:47:19.329us to cover. We'd love tocover those and if you want to connect67600:47:19.329 --> 00:47:22.610with Elizabeth, how they do that. Activist mommycom has everything. This mommycom.67700:47:22.730 --> 00:47:25.409It's all there. Follow her onfacebook. She puts post out on67800:47:25.409 --> 00:47:30.559a regular basis and you know they'redoing some the Dragon Queen Story Hour,67900:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.559trying to get those things taken outof the libraries so that that garbage is68000:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.960not thrust on unknowing children. Sowe appreciate all that you do, Lizabeth,68100:47:39.000 --> 00:47:43.760and appreciate all those who've listened.Hope that you're blessed and have good68200:47:43.880 --> 00:47:59.420rest of your day. Use Miluse me, give me, give me.68300:48:06.300 --> 00:48:14.369Will cost me my life, butthese two precious inside