March 12, 2020

How to Keep From Getting Desensitized to Abortion

How to Keep From Getting Desensitized to Abortion

As human beings, it's easy for us to get desensitized even to things as horrific as the killing of the unborn. If we get desensitized then we can lose our whole reason for fighting this evil. Join Daniel and Vicky was they look at some scriptural...


As human beings, it's easy for us to get desensitized even to things as horrific as the killing of the unborn. If we get desensitized then we can lose our whole reason for fighting this evil. Join Daniel and Vicky was they look at some scriptural principles that will help us all stay sensitive to the Lord and His call to rescue the unborn.

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:06.400 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me. Lord, 2 00:00:07.389 --> 00:00:10.669 Welcome to the Gospel Center pro live podcast and this episode we're going to 3 00:00:10.710 --> 00:00:14.750 talk about biblically, how to keep from being desensitized to the issue of abortion. 4 00:00:15.070 --> 00:00:19.030 It's easy to do, specially when we're facing something as horrific as abortion. 5 00:00:19.149 --> 00:00:27.620 So join us as we talked this through. I felt show passish touch 6 00:00:28.059 --> 00:00:38.250 your welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. This episode we want to 7 00:00:38.289 --> 00:00:43.929 talk about how to keep from becoming desensitized to the issue of abortion. And 8 00:00:44.170 --> 00:00:47.969 that can happen, especially for us being on the sidewalks in front of the 9 00:00:48.009 --> 00:00:53.119 abortion clinic, seeing women go in, seeing massive amounts of lives destroyed the 10 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:56.359 abortion. It can happen for people, you know, in a pregnancy center 11 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:00.920 context where they're dealing with abortion minded women. It can happen just in general 12 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:04.510 as a society becoming desensitized. We get the sensitized all kinds of stuff, 13 00:01:06.150 --> 00:01:10.230 and we want to talk in particular about the issue of abortion because, you 14 00:01:10.269 --> 00:01:15.989 know, we're dealing with an issue of mass violence, really right, and 15 00:01:17.109 --> 00:01:22.180 it's easy for us to lose, I don't know, just lose sensitivity to 16 00:01:22.340 --> 00:01:26.060 what's actually going on. I think it's some sense. It's almost like a 17 00:01:26.140 --> 00:01:30.659 human mechanism where are or sensitivity shut down. I share with you, before 18 00:01:30.659 --> 00:01:34.609 we started this podcast, as we were talking through the article that you rode 19 00:01:34.650 --> 00:01:38.489 and some of the things that you wrote down, that my pastor, some 20 00:01:38.569 --> 00:01:42.450 weeks ago, had he was preaching in particular about empathy and just how we 21 00:01:42.489 --> 00:01:45.090 can be empathetic toward people and how we, as a congregation need to be 22 00:01:45.530 --> 00:01:49.079 more empathetic, entering into people's suffering situations and that sort of thing, and 23 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.560 he said we have to guard ourselves against a compassion fatigue. Right, we 24 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.000 just get worn out and just being compassionate because we love Jesus and we love 25 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:00.909 people, and so that can happen. So how do we keep from that 26 00:02:01.069 --> 00:02:05.829 happening to us? And if it does happen to us, how do we 27 00:02:06.069 --> 00:02:08.629 will that thing back? Yeah, and yeah, be what God wants us 28 00:02:08.629 --> 00:02:13.229 to be for these babies, for these women that we minister to, in 29 00:02:13.389 --> 00:02:15.180 the context that God has called us. Right. Not. And not only 30 00:02:15.300 --> 00:02:21.780 that, but how do you keep from being if you're so overflowing with compassion, 31 00:02:22.419 --> 00:02:25.659 how do you keep from destroying yourself? Yeah, with just continual despair. 32 00:02:27.020 --> 00:02:30.810 And how can you endure in a ministry for very long if if there's 33 00:02:30.810 --> 00:02:35.530 all this yes, sorrow, yeah, yeah, you know. This ties 34 00:02:35.569 --> 00:02:38.289 in, I guess, in one sense. But you know, how do 35 00:02:38.370 --> 00:02:42.129 you keep from being taken advantage of, to which you we won't talk much 36 00:02:42.169 --> 00:02:46.560 about that, and this podcast we actually talked about that some weeks ago. 37 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:51.280 We talked about enabledly able and versus and power, powering. There's two episodes 38 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.800 there you guys need to listen to. So how do you keep from getting 39 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.240 taken advantage of? Because, you know, we're compassionate people by our nature. 40 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.949 The Bible tells us that the love of God has been shed abroad in 41 00:02:59.990 --> 00:03:02.069 our heart, you know, far from Christ we could care less, you 42 00:03:02.150 --> 00:03:06.270 know, if we were still in our sins and still unregenerate people, we 43 00:03:06.949 --> 00:03:08.830 could care less about what's going on. You know, when I was not 44 00:03:08.990 --> 00:03:12.590 born again, I could care less about the issue of abortion. I could 45 00:03:12.629 --> 00:03:15.819 care less, you know, focused on myself. When you become a Christian, 46 00:03:16.060 --> 00:03:20.699 your heart is toward those you know, hopefully we're become a more and 47 00:03:20.740 --> 00:03:23.259 more like Jesus and our heart is toward those who's God's God's hardest, toward 48 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:27.650 so yeah, how do we keep from becoming the sense as how do we 49 00:03:27.729 --> 00:03:30.610 keep from being taken advantage of? How do we keep, you know, 50 00:03:30.689 --> 00:03:36.689 out of this pit of despair when we realize the truth of what abortion really 51 00:03:36.810 --> 00:03:39.689 is and and in the implications of that? Yeah, yeah, when I 52 00:03:39.810 --> 00:03:43.919 Bible have anything to say, it does, of course it. You know, 53 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.439 the Bible has the answer to every problem in life if you dig very 54 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:51.319 far. But you know, I've been doing this, you've been doing this 55 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:53.520 even longer than I have, being on the front lines of an abortion center 56 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:57.590 on the sidewalk, and I've been out there about six and a half years 57 00:03:57.750 --> 00:04:01.030 now. Really I've seen it all, I'm sure, as you have, 58 00:04:01.270 --> 00:04:06.069 we've seen some really terrible situation. Yes, over and over again, we're 59 00:04:06.110 --> 00:04:12.180 out there often, many, many times during the week for many hours and 60 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:17.860 and you know, you do start to kind of just lose some of that 61 00:04:19.259 --> 00:04:24.449 immediate sense of horror, yea, of what's happening. I don't I don't 62 00:04:24.529 --> 00:04:28.449 focus on that. I personally focus on more of the positives. What's that 63 00:04:28.610 --> 00:04:30.529 going to do today? How many saves? That kind of stuff. But 64 00:04:31.930 --> 00:04:38.759 but I would say that it's probably very natural to lose the truly abject horror. 65 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.920 Yeah, of what you're facing, not not to lose it totally, 66 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.959 but to be become somewhat de sense a test to it. Well, I'm 67 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:50.040 I know you'll share. You know you've shared your testimony. Yeah, some 68 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:54.389 podcast to go in our first couple of podcast I shared mine. You know, 69 00:04:54.430 --> 00:04:57.110 the first time I was standing in front of an abortion clinic. You 70 00:04:57.189 --> 00:05:00.670 know, I just began to weep right right and you know, I'm just 71 00:05:00.790 --> 00:05:03.750 thinking about it. It's been a while since standing in front of that abortion 72 00:05:03.829 --> 00:05:06.899 clinic that I've she had tears right understanding what's going on side of here, 73 00:05:08.259 --> 00:05:12.100 and I think there is a certain, I guess, for lack of a 74 00:05:12.180 --> 00:05:15.860 better word, maturity that we come into because, you know, we can't, 75 00:05:15.819 --> 00:05:18.180 we can't be useful in that round if we're going to sit out there 76 00:05:18.220 --> 00:05:21.930 and ball the whole time. No, we can't write what. It's understandable. 77 00:05:21.930 --> 00:05:26.569 I mean we've had people on the sidewalk who, rightly so, their 78 00:05:26.569 --> 00:05:29.170 first time out there. They can't do anything but ball the whole time. 79 00:05:29.170 --> 00:05:31.050 Yeah, kind of happened. That's what happened to me for that whole hour 80 00:05:31.129 --> 00:05:34.089 after I left, and I'm so glad that that you mentioned that because I 81 00:05:34.170 --> 00:05:39.879 actually think that that will enter into the discussion as a as a way of 82 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:45.959 preventing becoming desensitized. Because when you said you can't remember the last time that 83 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.720 you actually bawled in front of the abortion center, I can remember the last 84 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:57.110 time and it was when I saw a man pulling a woman out of his 85 00:05:57.350 --> 00:05:59.629 truck. Yeah, and she was screaming no, no, no, I 86 00:05:59.750 --> 00:06:03.300 don't want to do this, and he was pulling her out and the policemen 87 00:06:03.339 --> 00:06:09.139 were standing right there and doing nothing. Yeah, and I was so outraged 88 00:06:09.180 --> 00:06:13.500 and so upset by why what I was watching that I started crying. Yeah, 89 00:06:14.220 --> 00:06:16.139 and that was the last time, and that wasn't that long ago. 90 00:06:16.180 --> 00:06:20.170 That was a few months ago. But something happened just a couple days ago. 91 00:06:20.290 --> 00:06:25.129 Not In front of the abortion center, but I was actually actually out 92 00:06:25.170 --> 00:06:30.850 of town and I was scrolling through facebook and I saw a video of my 93 00:06:30.610 --> 00:06:35.920 news feat is filled with pro life stuff, pro life groups, videos and 94 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:43.399 of babies and baby saved, people arguing about different pro life issues, but 95 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.910 this one was of a video of a cute little baby in the womb, 96 00:06:47.029 --> 00:06:50.589 bouncing him around and looking like he was just having so much fun, and 97 00:06:50.670 --> 00:06:55.029 I paused and I wanted to watch it. I wanted to see this this 98 00:06:55.310 --> 00:07:00.310 adorable little baby in the womb. And as I'm watching with horror, I 99 00:07:00.589 --> 00:07:04.899 see the baby's leg ripped off and then he's gone. Yeah, he's ripped 100 00:07:05.060 --> 00:07:10.660 in, he's just sucked away in in a vacuum abortion. Yeah, and 101 00:07:10.899 --> 00:07:14.459 I had no idea that that was what I was going to be watching. 102 00:07:14.540 --> 00:07:17.290 I certainly probably wouldn't have watched it, right. Yeah, I'm very visual 103 00:07:17.490 --> 00:07:21.329 and I carry those images in my head for a long time. So and 104 00:07:21.449 --> 00:07:28.610 I sat there and just out loud I started crying and out loud said Oh 105 00:07:28.689 --> 00:07:33.560 my father, forgive us, and felt the guilt of humanity, just oppressive 106 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:38.519 guilt of humanity, what we have done, yeah, as a nation, 107 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:44.350 just overwhelming and I thought, okay, well, what God was telling me 108 00:07:44.470 --> 00:07:50.509 at that moment was that one of the best an adults to desensitized, becoming 109 00:07:50.589 --> 00:07:58.470 desensitized to horror, is to look at the destructive aftermath of evil. Yeah, 110 00:07:58.699 --> 00:08:03.939 and none of us want to, but just as when I was watching 111 00:08:03.980 --> 00:08:07.420 that man pulling the woman against her will out of the truck to try and 112 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:11.300 abort again, it was watching evil in action, right. Yeah, and 113 00:08:11.540 --> 00:08:16.649 and seeing it. So much of we're visual of what's actually going on. 114 00:08:18.370 --> 00:08:20.930 Right, we alway to rent see when we're when we're standing in from the 115 00:08:22.050 --> 00:08:26.930 building. Yeah, see them walking in, but we're not truly seeing what 116 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:31.360 happens to that baby, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 117 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.159 there's a point. This was, you know, couple of years ago, 118 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:39.120 where I realized what I just confess to you now, that it's been 119 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.549 a while since I've wept, you know, over what's going on inside of 120 00:08:41.590 --> 00:08:45.149 that abortion clinic. And I was at my house. My family actually was 121 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:50.029 out of town. My wife been taking the kids to on a trip with 122 00:08:50.190 --> 00:08:52.230 my mom. Anyway, they're out of the house. I was I was 123 00:08:52.269 --> 00:08:54.549 at home alone and and I, you know, I was just taking some 124 00:08:54.669 --> 00:08:56.460 time to pray and the seek the Lord and I realized it, Lord, 125 00:08:56.500 --> 00:09:01.700 I haven't wept over this thing in a while. I'm becoming desensitized. Lord, 126 00:09:01.779 --> 00:09:05.179 soften my heart. And then I realize, you know, when my 127 00:09:05.779 --> 00:09:07.379 my kids had went out of town, my wife and kids, they had 128 00:09:07.419 --> 00:09:11.929 taken we had an abortion victim image sign in the vehicle and they'd said it 129 00:09:13.009 --> 00:09:15.929 in the house to pack all the bags and stuff and there was a victim 130 00:09:15.929 --> 00:09:18.809 image over there and I was like I need to look at this thing a 131 00:09:18.929 --> 00:09:20.409 fresh you know, I hold up of you know held up those signs and 132 00:09:20.970 --> 00:09:24.639 show those signs, but sometimes you just I don't know, you just kind 133 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.600 of glaze over it or glance over it. And I was like I need 134 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.919 it, I need to look at that sign a fresh I need to take 135 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:33.559 a hard look at it. And it was the baby Malachi sign. The 136 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.120 baby twenty one weeks it has been murdered through abortion. The looked at that 137 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:43.230 side and wept again. Yeah, and and I think seeing you getting the 138 00:09:43.230 --> 00:09:46.830 visual understanding, also asking the Lord. You know, I think it's a 139 00:09:46.950 --> 00:09:54.740 mercy sometimes from God that we don't see all of the right the depths of 140 00:09:54.940 --> 00:09:58.539 evil that humanity is giving itself to. God, Merciful, I guess, 141 00:09:58.899 --> 00:10:01.419 mercifully blinds our eyes to that, but sometimes he gives us a glance. 142 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:05.940 Man, can you imagine what God sees? You know, the I have 143 00:10:05.019 --> 00:10:09.490 the Lord is in every place. Can Imagine that? The grief and the 144 00:10:09.570 --> 00:10:11.090 heart of God? You see it all through the Old Testament. Is God 145 00:10:11.409 --> 00:10:15.169 grieves over his people. Turn in a way, yeah, it's like you 146 00:10:15.210 --> 00:10:18.649 think he gives us a little bit of his heart and a little bit of 147 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:22.120 the grief and let's a share in some of that. I think sometimes asking 148 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.759 him to God help, just give me a glimpse of what you see. 149 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.519 Don't give me the whole thing, because I would die, yeah, under 150 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.000 the weight of it. Yes, give me a glimpse of what you see 151 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.639 in the issue abortion. That can be a way to really keep us from 152 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.149 being desens atized. Yeah, it can. And the other side of that 153 00:10:39.389 --> 00:10:43.429 is thinking that not only does he see all of that horror that we have 154 00:10:43.590 --> 00:10:48.389 perpetrated on each other, but he still loves us. Yeah, he's still 155 00:10:48.549 --> 00:10:52.019 died for us. I mean that's incomprehensible and that we're going to get into 156 00:10:52.139 --> 00:10:56.379 that. I think, as you're going to be talking about some things that 157 00:10:56.500 --> 00:11:00.980 you worked through, as how you kind of do, there's some key point 158 00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:03.330 and so keep in the back of our minds because we are going to get 159 00:11:03.529 --> 00:11:07.769 into that. But the love of God is critical. Yeah, I think 160 00:11:07.889 --> 00:11:11.129 absolutely. That's you know, as I was brainstorm and through like some of 161 00:11:11.210 --> 00:11:13.490 the you know, the Lord is really helped me because, listen, I've 162 00:11:13.529 --> 00:11:18.559 seen people in you know, pro life or anti abortion, you know, 163 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.480 abolitionist roalms. I've seen people go off the rails, right, and I've 164 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.559 seen people, you know, disconnect from family and from the almost go into 165 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.000 like a cult sort of state of mind. We're abortions all they think about. 166 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.149 Yeah, it's all they talk about, all they can involve themselves in. 167 00:11:33.309 --> 00:11:37.230 I'm like, the Lord is graciously helped me, I think, in 168 00:11:37.309 --> 00:11:39.590 my family, to guard ourselves against going off the rails in this thing, 169 00:11:39.629 --> 00:11:43.870 because when you're involved than in this, it's a it's a big deal. 170 00:11:43.950 --> 00:11:48.620 I mean they're actually murdering kids, and so it's easy to lose your mind 171 00:11:48.860 --> 00:11:52.700 over this and I know people that have. So what is the Lord, 172 00:11:52.940 --> 00:11:54.379 as I was brainstorm and through, what is the Lord, by His grace, 173 00:11:56.179 --> 00:11:58.299 put in place in my life and help me to put in place my 174 00:11:58.299 --> 00:12:01.009 life to guard against that? And one of those things is keeping the main 175 00:12:01.090 --> 00:12:05.889 thing, the main thing, yes, and that means that, first and 176 00:12:07.049 --> 00:12:09.730 foremost, I am out there for the Lord. Right, I'm not. 177 00:12:11.289 --> 00:12:13.490 You know, and I might say this often, guys, you've heard me 178 00:12:13.529 --> 00:12:16.679 on the podcast maybe say this often. They were not out here even just 179 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.600 for the babies. Now I want to minimize that. I want to minimize 180 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:22.200 I don't want it all, to minimize the murder of children. So I'm 181 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.360 not trying to do that. But the babies are not even our motivation, 182 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.679 not even our first motivation. Our first motivation is a love for God, 183 00:12:30.070 --> 00:12:33.269 because we can't love those babies properly, in the women that we minister to, 184 00:12:33.350 --> 00:12:35.190 in the men that we minister to, unless we love God first. 185 00:12:35.269 --> 00:12:39.549 You know, the commands, the greatest commands, are love the Lord, 186 00:12:39.629 --> 00:12:43.230 your God, and then love your neighbor. Right. So keeping the main 187 00:12:43.309 --> 00:12:46.899 thing then, the main thing understanding the we're out there for God first. 188 00:12:46.139 --> 00:12:48.820 You know, I told you before, I've said this to other folks. 189 00:12:48.860 --> 00:12:54.860 You don't even really view myself as a prolifeer anymore. I don't. I 190 00:12:56.019 --> 00:13:01.450 view myself as a person that loves Jesus, that loves people, that just 191 00:13:01.570 --> 00:13:05.049 so happens to love Jesus and people in front of an abortion clinic by bringing 192 00:13:05.049 --> 00:13:07.090 the Gospel to that pains. I'm a I'm a Proclaimer, Preacher of the 193 00:13:07.169 --> 00:13:11.370 Gospel that this so happens to do that in front of an abortion clinic. 194 00:13:11.450 --> 00:13:15.039 That's where God has called me. That's where I am again. Not Minimize. 195 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.440 I'm not trying to be tried about it. Not Minimizing what's going on. 196 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.279 Yeah, but but just understand putting things in perspective. Yeah, yeah, 197 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.960 and you know, I think that the Bible would support you in in 198 00:13:26.269 --> 00:13:31.070 that. Putting God first get validated. I think so. I did. 199 00:13:31.470 --> 00:13:35.590 I think so. You know, wonders will never cease, will be yeah, 200 00:13:35.590 --> 00:13:41.269 that's right. But so let's start with with one of those verses. 201 00:13:41.429 --> 00:13:45.980 Okay, all right. That so you've gone into really and I like how 202 00:13:45.980 --> 00:13:48.899 you use this passage, but you're going into the revelation and you really talking 203 00:13:50.019 --> 00:13:54.419 from the perspective Jesus talking to the Church in ephesis. And if you has 204 00:13:54.539 --> 00:13:58.850 read through the revelation, I'm sure you have, Jesus talks to seven churches 205 00:14:00.210 --> 00:14:03.929 in the revelation. These are Jesus letters, hey, to the church in 206 00:14:03.169 --> 00:14:07.370 Ephesus here, in particular Philippi Laya to see, and some of the other 207 00:14:07.409 --> 00:14:11.759 ones Africa. Right, but you write these letters, and here's Jesus telling 208 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.000 John Write this letter to the church at Ephesis, and this is the church 209 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.399 that has left its first love. So right, so it's talking about becoming 210 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:26.789 desensitized. Yeah, becoming desensitized really to the love that they had for the 211 00:14:26.909 --> 00:14:30.230 Lord. Okay, yeah, but but you know, before I start that, 212 00:14:30.669 --> 00:14:33.909 let me read you the definition. Let's start with definitions. It's always 213 00:14:33.950 --> 00:14:37.149 good, right. Yeah, it's good to define our terms of it, 214 00:14:37.269 --> 00:14:41.019 in our terms desensitization. Okay, because that's really what we're talking to. 215 00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:43.460 Make me repeat that word. I won't, I won't, no, I'll 216 00:14:43.500 --> 00:14:48.340 be I will say that we're desensitization. Okay, here's the definition. The 217 00:14:48.539 --> 00:14:56.929 process which diminishes emotional responsiveness to a negative a verse of stimulus after repeated exposure 218 00:14:58.090 --> 00:15:01.889 to it. Okay, so I think that is very right on for what 219 00:15:01.929 --> 00:15:05.289 we're talking about. We are being those of us, especially on the front 220 00:15:05.289 --> 00:15:09.240 lines of an abortion center, but in the pro life movement, have repeated 221 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:13.559 exposure to the horror of abortion over and over and over again. Like I 222 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.639 said, it's all most of my interactions are on facebook are about the issue 223 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:20.909 of abortion. My Mode my work is, you know, and from so 224 00:15:22.149 --> 00:15:24.470 it's always weird, right, always you, you pretty much the same. 225 00:15:24.549 --> 00:15:33.110 So, but, but that that can decrease our responsiveness because it's a negative 226 00:15:33.149 --> 00:15:37.259 adverse of stimuli and we're repeatedly exposed to it. Right, and there are 227 00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:46.179 desensitization techniques that are used in psychology to help people who are paralyzed by by 228 00:15:46.340 --> 00:15:52.690 fear or that a verse Stimuli. Okay, so they're looking at desensitization in 229 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:56.769 a positive they're looking at it as negative, saying exactly we're saying. But 230 00:15:58.009 --> 00:16:03.929 becoming desensitized to adverse stimuli sometimes is a negative thing, right. Yeah, 231 00:16:03.970 --> 00:16:08.120 this case it's a negative thing. Now, if if we were overwhelmed by 232 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:14.720 grief and crying all day long because we can't get our mind off of the 233 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.350 horror of abortion, that's a problem. Yeah, then a little bit more 234 00:16:18.470 --> 00:16:22.950 desensitization maybe is necessary. Yeah, but that's not what we're talking about. 235 00:16:22.950 --> 00:16:30.429 It Rus podcast. So, so here is the verse from revelation to be 236 00:16:30.509 --> 00:16:37.580 that's a few verses and I think it's the first three. It's it starts, 237 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:40.460 I'm sorry, it starts in revolation, revelation to and I think it's 238 00:16:40.460 --> 00:16:45.220 versus one, twenty three. Okay, so it's to the angel of the 239 00:16:45.340 --> 00:16:49.450 Church in Ephesus, right the words of him who holds the seven stars in 240 00:16:49.570 --> 00:16:55.049 his right hand, who walks among the seven golden lamp stands. I know 241 00:16:55.169 --> 00:17:00.090 your works, your toil and your patient endurance and how you cannot bear with 242 00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:04.480 those who are evil, but if tested those who call themselves apostles and are 243 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:08.759 not, and found them to be false. I know you are enduring patiently 244 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:14.519 and bearing up for my name's sake, and you have not grown weary, 245 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:21.150 but I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had 246 00:17:21.309 --> 00:17:25.190 at first. Remember, therefore, from where you have fallen. Repent and 247 00:17:25.829 --> 00:17:29.269 do the works. You did it first. If not, I will come 248 00:17:29.390 --> 00:17:33.500 to you and remove your lamp stand from its place unless you repent. Yeah, 249 00:17:34.099 --> 00:17:40.900 okay, so that's the first passage and an accompanying passage that again talks 250 00:17:40.940 --> 00:17:45.289 about people's love growing cold, because that's what's being held against right the Church 251 00:17:45.369 --> 00:17:51.210 of Ephesus, is that their love is growing cold. They've abandoned the love 252 00:17:51.289 --> 00:17:55.609 that they had at first. Okay, so in Matthew Twenty four verses, 253 00:17:55.690 --> 00:18:02.640 twelve to thirteen, because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold, 254 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.160 but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 255 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:12.430 Yeah, so in both those passages God's warning his people that there is a 256 00:18:12.470 --> 00:18:18.309 danger in standing against unbearable evil for a long time. Yeah, our love 257 00:18:18.630 --> 00:18:22.950 can grow yeah, absolutely, and you know, of course, there's a 258 00:18:22.069 --> 00:18:26.670 there's an immediate context to this passage, and I think we would all agree 259 00:18:26.750 --> 00:18:29.900 this. This is speaking of our love for God. But remember, as 260 00:18:29.940 --> 00:18:33.220 I said in the beginning, we love those babies because love of God has 261 00:18:33.259 --> 00:18:36.140 been shed Abroad Saxony. So if I love grows cold, I mean a 262 00:18:36.220 --> 00:18:38.940 lot of times we get the sensitized to know, not just speaking you generally 263 00:18:40.140 --> 00:18:44.650 to Christians who maybe not involved in the abortion battle. Yep, every Christian 264 00:18:44.690 --> 00:18:48.490 should be in some measure, I think, but just involving you sharing the 265 00:18:48.529 --> 00:18:52.650 Gospel with people. Yeah, that we become desensitized to the lostness of humanity 266 00:18:52.769 --> 00:18:56.799 and the fact that the majority of humanity is going to hell. How do 267 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:00.759 we? You know, in we get the sense that to the reality of 268 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:03.920 hell, that this is a place of eternal separation from God, and not 269 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.160 just that, it's a place of eternal fire and judgment of God. We 270 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:11.109 get sent the sense ties to that and I think sometimes it's because our love 271 00:19:11.190 --> 00:19:15.670 for God grows cold. Right, you know, we get used to life 272 00:19:15.750 --> 00:19:18.990 the way that it is. We I don't know, we get I don't 273 00:19:18.029 --> 00:19:21.549 know. We need neglect being in the word of God, we neglect prayer 274 00:19:22.150 --> 00:19:25.059 and those kind of things keep get us Dis insanitize through the Lord, and 275 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:27.779 then natural outflow that we get this insanties through the world low syest of people, 276 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:30.619 we get the sensitized to things like abortion. Yeah, yeah, and 277 00:19:30.740 --> 00:19:36.259 so the immediate context here is our love for God growing cold. That will 278 00:19:36.259 --> 00:19:38.769 flow our love for our neighbors. Right, growing cold. Right, and 279 00:19:40.009 --> 00:19:44.049 and God commends the effesions for some good things. They tryal they worked, 280 00:19:44.329 --> 00:19:48.569 they endured and they didn't grow weary in the work. And that passage he 281 00:19:48.650 --> 00:19:52.960 also notes that they stood up for the name of Jesus. However, the 282 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:59.440 love that ignited them at first has has grown cold. So their motivation that 283 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:07.150 started all of this wonderful work is no longer the motivation of a passionate love 284 00:20:07.509 --> 00:20:11.029 for God. It has grown cold, and that's of concern. Yeah, 285 00:20:11.069 --> 00:20:18.269 absolutely. So. Well, what what love is is the scripture referring to. 286 00:20:18.390 --> 00:20:25.660 They're they're standing for Christ's name, they're continuing his work, but the 287 00:20:25.779 --> 00:20:30.819 motivation is no longer the proper motivation. Yeah, and that's what we've talked 288 00:20:30.859 --> 00:20:37.329 about, what we warn our our volunteers about. The motivation can't be anger, 289 00:20:37.730 --> 00:20:41.250 yeah, at the sin that they're confronting in the world or the false 290 00:20:41.410 --> 00:20:45.049 prophets that they're confronting in your church or whatever. Yeah, I mean we 291 00:20:45.890 --> 00:20:49.000 do warn against that when we train our volunteers. You know, on our 292 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:56.079 sidewalks for life website we wrote, I actually wrote an article about the proper 293 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.839 philosophy of ministry and I talked about this, how we have to be motivated 294 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:03.309 for a love for God. We can't be motivated by hatred. And it's 295 00:21:03.390 --> 00:21:07.309 easy to be motivated by hatred when you're dealing with something like abortion, because 296 00:21:07.750 --> 00:21:11.589 it's easy to hate, and we should hate abortion, no doubt about it. 297 00:21:11.670 --> 00:21:15.710 It is a wicked thing. It kills children, you know, but 298 00:21:17.029 --> 00:21:21.460 it can't be our primary motivation and we can't hate the people that are involved 299 00:21:21.500 --> 00:21:23.700 in it like you know. I know there are people that make arguments for, 300 00:21:25.220 --> 00:21:29.380 you know, the fact that God hates wickedness and God hates wicked people. 301 00:21:29.380 --> 00:21:32.970 Okay, but we're never commanded in the scriptures. Matter of fact, 302 00:21:32.970 --> 00:21:36.210 the Bible tells us that hatred is a work of the flesh. We're not 303 00:21:36.329 --> 00:21:40.369 supposed to hate people. So we can't be motivated by a hatred for abortion. 304 00:21:40.569 --> 00:21:44.849 We can't be motivated by hatred for the abortion industry or plan parenthood or 305 00:21:45.170 --> 00:21:48.319 abortionist or anything like that cannot be our motivations. Matter of fact, we 306 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:52.720 have to shun that sort of thing and we have to love these people. 307 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.759 Now love is not just being all flower, being nice to him. We 308 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:00.519 need to tell them the truth. You know, the abortion industry, abortion 309 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.710 workers and all that. A love for them. One of the most hateful 310 00:22:03.750 --> 00:22:06.750 things you could do is with whole the truth from them that unless they repent, 311 00:22:06.789 --> 00:22:08.869 they're going to end up under the judgment of God. But we have 312 00:22:10.029 --> 00:22:11.309 to do that out of the love of Christ. It's been she had a 313 00:22:11.349 --> 00:22:15.230 broad in our heart, not out of hatred for what they're doing right, 314 00:22:15.309 --> 00:22:18.259 for them, right and and so I think you're raising a really good point. 315 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:23.539 I think that you're pointing out that there is really a symptom that emerges 316 00:22:23.619 --> 00:22:30.809 from us that we are becoming desensitized to our mission and to the horror of 317 00:22:30.849 --> 00:22:36.849 abortion. We're becoming callous even too. It if, rather than the love 318 00:22:36.930 --> 00:22:41.210 of the Lord being the motivator for us, the look that that motivation has 319 00:22:41.250 --> 00:22:45.519 shifted. Yeah, to hatred, hatred of the evil, which we should 320 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:52.079 have, but it shouldn't be the motivation for our ministry and or hatred for 321 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.640 the people who are perpetrating this right, this evil. That's a demonstration that 322 00:22:57.869 --> 00:23:02.269 our love for the Lord is growing cold. Yes, that should be the 323 00:23:02.390 --> 00:23:06.230 motivation. Yeah, behind listen, you know, there's there's an acknowledge when 324 00:23:06.269 --> 00:23:10.190 you have to acknowledge that that hatred can be a motivator for people. I 325 00:23:10.309 --> 00:23:14.500 mean, you see, there's a lot of movements that maybe even might do 326 00:23:14.660 --> 00:23:18.779 some good things, that are still just the motivation is hatred. And you 327 00:23:18.819 --> 00:23:21.500 know, as believers we can pick up on that stuff and say that's just 328 00:23:21.700 --> 00:23:25.579 a stench in the nostrils of odd yeah, what we should what we do 329 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:29.490 as those who are ministers of the Gospel should be done out of a love 330 00:23:29.569 --> 00:23:32.490 for God, and out of that will flow a love for people. You 331 00:23:32.569 --> 00:23:34.490 know, the other morning, and I think just like the Lord put this 332 00:23:34.609 --> 00:23:37.809 in my heart. I don't know, but I think it was the Lord. 333 00:23:37.890 --> 00:23:41.720 Howe, probably that's certainly wouldn't for my friends, but we were praying 334 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.960 Saturday morning before we started ministry. We try to be intentional. That's one 335 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.480 of the ways we can we can just yield our day to the Lord. 336 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.240 Before we start ministering on the sidewalk, we pray together as a group. 337 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.240 Yeah, and it's like this dropped in my heart. Lord, love these 338 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:57.990 babies in these women, through us. We're just vessels. So put your 339 00:23:59.029 --> 00:24:02.150 love in us. You Love Them. You love them enough to tell them 340 00:24:02.230 --> 00:24:03.950 the truth. You love them enough for the babies to save them. Yeah, 341 00:24:04.150 --> 00:24:07.549 so love them through us, and that should be, I think, 342 00:24:07.589 --> 00:24:11.539 our modus operandie right. Yeah, our mode of operation, that God's love 343 00:24:11.619 --> 00:24:15.140 has been ched abroad in our heart and we are yielding ourselves for him to 344 00:24:15.299 --> 00:24:21.059 love through us. Yeah, and you know that can sound kind of you 345 00:24:21.099 --> 00:24:23.730 know, I guess, Pansy, I guess man were love through us. 346 00:24:23.809 --> 00:24:29.250 But know, yeah, Jesus Christ is and on it. In de Earthly 347 00:24:29.329 --> 00:24:32.849 Ministry, was one of the most loving people you ever meet. He was 348 00:24:32.890 --> 00:24:36.450 truthful, right, right, forthright. Yeah, didn't hold back the truth, 349 00:24:36.970 --> 00:24:38.960 but loving in the way they held himself, the way he carried himself 350 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:41.960 and the way he ministered to other people. Yeah, we want to be 351 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:47.279 like Jesus Right. Yeah, exactly. You know, even the language used 352 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:51.119 can desensitize us, and even the language we use, Pec particular lead the 353 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:55.309 language of the abortion industry. Yeah, you know, they don't call the 354 00:24:55.349 --> 00:24:57.990 baby a baby, right, they call the baby a product of conception, 355 00:24:59.150 --> 00:25:03.670 or the one that I read on the website recently was gestation, and that's 356 00:25:03.710 --> 00:25:07.660 the word pregnant baby, the pregnant baby as a pregnancy. YEA, and 357 00:25:07.900 --> 00:25:14.619 those are desensitizing words which and they're purposeful. Their purposeful by the abortion industry. 358 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:18.819 So the women feel that it is perfectly justified and they're perfectly justified in 359 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.490 going in there. They make it easier for them to justify that. So 360 00:25:22.609 --> 00:25:27.369 so, even in the use of our language, I think can be a 361 00:25:27.529 --> 00:25:33.410 key, a tip off to us and whether we are becoming desensitized if we 362 00:25:33.529 --> 00:25:41.319 start adopting the language of the abortion industry. Maybe we've lost sight, yeah, 363 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.559 of the horror of a yeah, and I know, you know, 364 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:48.720 my wife works in, has worked in, and doesn't even now work in 365 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.470 pregnancy centers. And I know this is a temptation for a lot of pregnancy 366 00:25:52.509 --> 00:25:56.029 centers because they want to appear to be neutral and not appear to be overtly 367 00:25:56.069 --> 00:26:00.789 Christian, right whatever, soften the message. So they might refer to the 368 00:26:00.910 --> 00:26:06.019 baby as a pregnancy or or, you know, maybe even shot away from 369 00:26:06.019 --> 00:26:08.579 sharing the Gospel whatever. And I'm say, man, that's such a trap 370 00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:12.299 that we can't fall into. We don't need to use the world's language, 371 00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:18.539 right, and let the world define terms for us, like it's I'm sorry, 372 00:26:18.569 --> 00:26:22.529 sorry, it's not a pregnancy. Pregnancy is not a thing, it's 373 00:26:22.569 --> 00:26:25.690 a process. That's right. Baby in the womb is not a pregnancy. 374 00:26:26.170 --> 00:26:30.609 It's your fetis. Technically it's an embryo. Yeah, it's a living entity 375 00:26:30.809 --> 00:26:33.160 and we need to refer to it. You know, embryo, fetus, 376 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.519 infant, these are all, you know, toddler, at lescent, teenager, 377 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:41.240 all there's our terms of levels of development. Right, and of course 378 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.880 we all know, right, when a woman is pregnant and she's excited about, 379 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:49.069 you know, her pregnancy, that process, she knows she's going to 380 00:26:49.109 --> 00:26:52.390 tell everybody I'm having a baby. I don't carry a pregnancy, I'm having 381 00:26:52.390 --> 00:26:56.029 a baby. I'm not having a Jotation, an amaze station, I'm not 382 00:26:56.109 --> 00:27:00.150 caring a Blob of tissue. Yeah, you know, she's having a baby. 383 00:27:00.190 --> 00:27:02.740 So, yeah, our language and we could it can help us in 384 00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:06.819 our minds that are we fallen into the Trab of desensitization because we're using the 385 00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:11.059 world's terms, yeah, to refer to yeah, to these babies or whatever. 386 00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:12.539 Yeah, well, I think I've mentioned this on a podcast before, 387 00:27:12.579 --> 00:27:18.569 but it bears mentioning here again that I had shied away from the word murder, 388 00:27:18.970 --> 00:27:21.769 not because I didn't believe it was murder. I did, Ye do 389 00:27:22.210 --> 00:27:26.289 believe that that abortion is murder, but it's such a shocking word. Yeah, 390 00:27:26.369 --> 00:27:32.559 and and I didn't really want to shock women into not speaking to me. 391 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.920 Sure, however, now I'm starting to kind of throw that out there. 392 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.359 Sometimes I try to do it in a tone of kindness, compassion and 393 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.789 gentleness, but I you know, I'll say please, no mother was ever 394 00:27:45.910 --> 00:27:52.230 called to murder her own child. Yeah, and that even saying that is, 395 00:27:52.430 --> 00:27:56.750 for me, an an adopte to becoming desensitized, because then I remind 396 00:27:56.910 --> 00:28:02.900 myself this isn't just harming. I have said that before. Please don't harm 397 00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:07.579 your child. Yeah, this is not harming for a child. It is 398 00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:11.059 so much more than harming a child. That is murdering a child in a 399 00:28:11.180 --> 00:28:15.690 very horrific way. So when I use that word even that kind of shocks 400 00:28:15.849 --> 00:28:21.970 me back into the seriousness. Yeah, absolutely, face and you know, 401 00:28:21.970 --> 00:28:26.730 I know there's a temptation and there is a sort of a balance and we 402 00:28:26.849 --> 00:28:29.599 need to, you know, of course, be before the Lord. But 403 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.720 you know, I don't I don't think that personally, that could be wrong. 404 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.039 CRECT ME IF I'm wrong, but I don't think that you don't murder 405 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.599 your baby should be the first thing that a woman hears when she gets out 406 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.710 of her car and she's walking to door of an abortion and I think there's 407 00:28:42.710 --> 00:28:45.470 other things that would be more fitting for to here. We you know, 408 00:28:45.549 --> 00:28:49.069 we're not in it just for the shock value, but you know, we 409 00:28:49.190 --> 00:28:52.349 do need to use the language that the Bible uses and I think when it 410 00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:56.900 comes through the issue of abortion, you know, I've probably said it myself, 411 00:28:56.940 --> 00:28:59.099 I've heard others say it. You know, don't go in there, 412 00:28:59.140 --> 00:29:02.900 this is a terrible mistake, which is true right on its face. But 413 00:29:03.019 --> 00:29:06.180 yeah, it's more than just a mistake, right, right. Abortion is 414 00:29:06.299 --> 00:29:08.579 more than just a mistake, right, it's a grievous sin against your baby, 415 00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:12.490 against God. Yeah, I think it is possible to soften the message 416 00:29:12.650 --> 00:29:18.970 so much in the desire to be gentle and compassionate that the message is lost. 417 00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:22.289 Yeah, and and I think that's subject might be a subject for a 418 00:29:22.329 --> 00:29:26.160 whole other podcast really, because it's the message. It's not an easy line 419 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:32.480 to travel no, it's it's it's much harder than you would think. So 420 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.839 you know the you always rely on the yeah, because they are there is 421 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.440 a trap, not rabbit trailing too much, but it is a trap and 422 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.750 just not even caring about the language, not even caring about the tone and 423 00:29:41.910 --> 00:29:44.950 not even caring about how you come across to the woman going into the abortion 424 00:29:45.029 --> 00:29:48.269 clinic. And then there's a trap of caring too much, like so much 425 00:29:48.269 --> 00:29:51.950 so that I won't use the word murder. I want use word San won't 426 00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:53.779 you? Scripture, and you know, we want to fall into that trap. 427 00:29:53.859 --> 00:29:56.380 So it's like, you know, the spirit of God helps keep us 428 00:29:56.420 --> 00:30:02.980 on this tightrope wall of Truth and grace. Yeah, that's hard thing that. 429 00:30:03.099 --> 00:30:04.980 That'll probably be a subject for another part. Yeah, but it ties 430 00:30:06.019 --> 00:30:08.769 into exactly what we're talking it does. You know, the the whole stuff 431 00:30:08.769 --> 00:30:12.730 with the delayden tapes. That yea, that happened. What was the twenty 432 00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:15.930 five parents and selling baby parts, right, the Bait Plan parenthood was selling 433 00:30:17.049 --> 00:30:19.250 baby parts and David de Layden went in with, I think, a team 434 00:30:19.490 --> 00:30:25.880 and exposed it through hidden, hidden videos. And when those videos I read 435 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:30.720 an article which, it is kind of does relate to this because the title 436 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:36.910 is how abortion has desensitized people, by Charles Kraut Hammer, and he wrote 437 00:30:36.910 --> 00:30:40.710 that in two thousand and fifteen. But he talked about how, when, 438 00:30:40.750 --> 00:30:47.549 when people full saw on these videos, Dr Deborah Nuckatola, I don't know 439 00:30:47.589 --> 00:30:49.660 if I'm saying her name correctly, but she was the planned parenthood press, 440 00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:53.180 not not the president, but she was one of the doctors a plan parenthood, 441 00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:57.539 and she is sipping, I think wine or at least water, and 442 00:30:57.700 --> 00:31:04.569 eating salad. Yeah, talking to the David de Layden and and discussing casually 443 00:31:04.609 --> 00:31:10.849 about how the fetal body can be crushed with forceps in a way that leaves 444 00:31:10.890 --> 00:31:15.769 valuable organs intact. Yeah, for sale. And she's laughing and eating the 445 00:31:15.930 --> 00:31:18.279 salad, and I feel I'm I'm feeling ready to vomit. Well, I 446 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:26.440 think a lot of people were like snapped out of this lethargy surrounding abortion, 447 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:33.789 because that even they when they recognized wow, this is someone who has been 448 00:31:33.029 --> 00:31:38.230 desensitized to the point where she's laughing about what she is describing, that is 449 00:31:38.430 --> 00:31:44.150 barbed barrack, while eating salad, while we all want a bar fish. 450 00:31:44.190 --> 00:31:47.420 She's right, you know, talking about this and even people who you know, 451 00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:49.099 there are those who just wrote it off and said this was just some 452 00:31:49.299 --> 00:31:53.779 conspiracy or something against Plant parenthood. But there were those even in the pro 453 00:31:53.940 --> 00:32:00.140 choice camp that were genuinely like disturbed over that, that lady's behavior, in 454 00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:05.569 the behavior just in General Plant parenthood. And so you know, those videos 455 00:32:05.609 --> 00:32:08.730 did do, I think, a lot to write tear off that Alice, 456 00:32:08.809 --> 00:32:12.369 I guess. Yeah, a side. Yeah, and I've heard many abortion 457 00:32:12.410 --> 00:32:15.400 workers who have left. Again. Those are people that they have to become 458 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:21.039 desensitized. Yeah, they can't do what they're doing. That grewsome work and 459 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.400 one in particular, I'm remembering her saying that she saw, as she's putting 460 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:30.000 the baby back together again to count the parts, when she saw the an 461 00:32:30.109 --> 00:32:34.789 eyeball, a fully intact eyeball, visiting an abortion work before. grouportion work 462 00:32:34.829 --> 00:32:38.029 her in Winston Salem, okay, and she was a manager in fact, 463 00:32:38.150 --> 00:32:43.309 and and she said when she saw that that eyeball floating in the dish that 464 00:32:43.470 --> 00:32:46.660 was like the tipping point for her. That was what again slammed her back 465 00:32:47.259 --> 00:32:53.140 into this is barbaric, right, this is gruesome and and I think that's 466 00:32:53.140 --> 00:33:00.609 kind of the point that we're trying to make throughout is is there are points 467 00:33:00.930 --> 00:33:08.250 in where you're facing this this adverse, I'm sorry, losing my voice circumstances, 468 00:33:08.609 --> 00:33:13.200 circumstances, situations over and over and over again that you begin to lose 469 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.119 the horror of it, and one of the things that is good to bring 470 00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:22.160 us back are these shocking visibles. Yeah, absolutely, as as she saw 471 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.799 what I saw in the video, right, yeah, and like what I 472 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.829 kind of describe, and looking at that picture of the baby malick, right, 473 00:33:29.869 --> 00:33:34.829 he's murdering through abortion. You the the silent screen video is one that 474 00:33:35.109 --> 00:33:38.589 I think everybody should watch and maybe even make yourself. It's hard to watch 475 00:33:38.630 --> 00:33:42.619 because there's a baby at tell us about that, because maybe everyone yeah, 476 00:33:42.700 --> 00:33:45.059 so that's a baby. I mean, listen, this was made back in 477 00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:47.700 I want to say mid S, I think. Yeah, and it was 478 00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:54.180 by Bernard Nathanson, who's now went on has died and from all indications he's 479 00:33:54.259 --> 00:33:58.849 with the Lord. He repented and stopped doing abortions. He did abortions at 480 00:33:58.890 --> 00:34:01.769 one time, but he did and ultrasound guide an abortion. This is a 481 00:34:01.809 --> 00:34:06.450 baby at twelve weeks and you can see, and this is the ultrasound, 482 00:34:06.529 --> 00:34:08.250 like the video of the ultrasound and he goes through and describes it. You 483 00:34:08.289 --> 00:34:12.159 can look on Youtube. Just look up silent scream. Probably have to put 484 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.840 abortion in there. Something right in the in the search. But you can 485 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.280 see this baby moving around, live and well. And then you can see 486 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.559 the instrument come into the uterus and you know it's a suction tube, and 487 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.389 then you see the baby trying to get away from the instrument. Yeah, 488 00:34:25.630 --> 00:34:29.349 and then the heart rate goes way, way up and you can see that. 489 00:34:29.590 --> 00:34:31.789 Then you see the baby such as gone and it's like yeah, Oh, 490 00:34:31.949 --> 00:34:35.750 this is really what we're doing. Like, you know, we were 491 00:34:35.869 --> 00:34:38.619 visual creature. God made us visual. That's why, when you look in 492 00:34:38.659 --> 00:34:43.059 the prophets, and you know they do visual things, often times show that 493 00:34:43.300 --> 00:34:45.179 the people of Israel in particular, they're saying and all of that, God 494 00:34:45.260 --> 00:34:50.500 knows where visual creatures, and sometimes we need a visual in order to remind 495 00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:53.210 ourselves of what. You know, there's a lot in the scriptures of visual 496 00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:59.929 imagery to remind us of the sin and rebellion of humanity. Visual image will 497 00:34:59.929 --> 00:35:04.130 help us to remind us what abortion like, the horror of this thing. 498 00:35:04.210 --> 00:35:08.239 Yeah, to help rip the callous off. Yeah, like one I'm thinking 499 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.760 of as the book of Josiah. Okay, and Joseiah, the Prophet, 500 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.920 is told to go Mary Gomer, the prostitute. Yeah, and and then 501 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:22.469 he's he's got a she leaves and goes and, you know, is off 502 00:35:22.550 --> 00:35:25.429 with many men and God tells Josiah, take her back, you have to 503 00:35:25.510 --> 00:35:29.269 take her back, get her and bring her bad and I mean it is 504 00:35:29.389 --> 00:35:34.550 such a picture of God's faithful calling us back out of sin that I think 505 00:35:34.550 --> 00:35:37.780 all of us can relate to poor Joseiah. Yeah, how horrific that must 506 00:35:37.820 --> 00:35:43.940 have been for him. So God does use those visuals to shock us back 507 00:35:44.260 --> 00:35:49.940 into the reality of the horror of sin. Yeah, absolutely so. They 508 00:35:50.969 --> 00:35:54.210 there is an answer, I think, a scriptural answer based on the scripture 509 00:35:54.210 --> 00:35:58.449 that I read earlier. But before I we get into that, you said 510 00:35:58.449 --> 00:36:01.570 that you had three other kind of yeah, guiding you, and these are 511 00:36:01.690 --> 00:36:06.039 he's a sort of practical principles that I think the Lord has helped me with, 512 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.599 the keep me from being desensitis and just going crazy and right and right, 513 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.639 because we do with this on a regular basis. So the first one 514 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.280 I mentioned already, to keep the main thing, the main thing. God 515 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.110 needs to be first. I love for him is first, not even just 516 00:36:19.190 --> 00:36:22.150 our love for the babies. It's got to be God first. The second 517 00:36:22.349 --> 00:36:23.789 was, and these are not in any kind of order, say, seem 518 00:36:23.789 --> 00:36:28.190 a little out of word. Yeah, me, but make an effort to 519 00:36:28.230 --> 00:36:30.909 talk about other things. What I mean by that is, you know, 520 00:36:30.949 --> 00:36:35.619 if you're in pro life manage tree or if you're you know you're the person 521 00:36:35.739 --> 00:36:37.860 who always talks about the issue of abortion in your church and your circles, 522 00:36:38.179 --> 00:36:42.260 they're going to see you as the abortion person, like you go to person 523 00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.059 when they have a question about abortion or whatever. My family and friends do. 524 00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:47.170 I don't mind it so much, but I do try to steer my 525 00:36:47.289 --> 00:36:52.409 conversations on a regular basis away from abortion and into other things, like Jesus 526 00:36:52.570 --> 00:36:55.809 and how awesome he is. You know, I've even had we have people 527 00:36:55.809 --> 00:37:00.369 over for for lunch or for dinner on Sundays in particular. I'm like, 528 00:37:00.449 --> 00:37:04.880 on Sundays, we're not talking about abortion. On Sunday we're talking about Jesus 529 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.679 and how awesome he is. And you know, it might come up or 530 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.559 something, but I don't want to talk about what's going on at the clinic. 531 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.639 I don't want to talk about, you know, what we're dealing with 532 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.269 with the police, opposition to what we're doing at the probortion clinic. I 533 00:37:15.389 --> 00:37:17.909 want to talk about Jesus, I want to talk about my family, I 534 00:37:17.949 --> 00:37:22.269 want to you know, so which make it never your first point, because 535 00:37:22.389 --> 00:37:25.429 you're let making the love of the Lord. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, 536 00:37:25.429 --> 00:37:29.469 yeah, and you know, I've even told my pastor because I've had opportunities 537 00:37:29.469 --> 00:37:31.739 to speak and to share us a man, I'll share any time about abortion, 538 00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:35.460 about what we do, and they've given me a lot of opportunities to 539 00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:37.820 do that and I'm so thankful. But also said Hey, man, if 540 00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:40.340 there's any time you want me to share other things, because actually, you 541 00:37:40.420 --> 00:37:45.690 know, I'm sort of a theolog theology Geek and in Church History Geek and 542 00:37:45.769 --> 00:37:47.449 I like some of that stuff. I'm not as knowledgeable as some, but 543 00:37:47.489 --> 00:37:53.570 I'm maybe more knowledgeable than others and and I like God's word, and so 544 00:37:53.610 --> 00:37:57.489 I preach. You give me any subject, brother, I'll preach and they've 545 00:37:57.489 --> 00:38:00.920 given me gracious opportunities to preach about other things. Do Anything, make an 546 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:02.360 effort to talk about other things. That's that's sort of a second thing. 547 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:09.079 And then the third thing is is we need to be surrounded with encouragement and 548 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.070 accountability. You know, I mentioned earlier, I've seen people go off the 549 00:38:13.150 --> 00:38:16.070 rails who are involved in, you know, fighting the abortion battle. And 550 00:38:17.269 --> 00:38:22.670 some folks I've seen have gone off the rails because they've taken themselves out of 551 00:38:22.869 --> 00:38:24.909 the local church. They're mad at the local church for not doing something that 552 00:38:24.949 --> 00:38:29.300 about abortion or or the apathy of the local church. And Listen, I 553 00:38:29.380 --> 00:38:30.980 get it, we understand it. Yeah, well, yeah, but God 554 00:38:31.099 --> 00:38:37.420 has designed the local church as a context for us to have the accountability and 555 00:38:37.539 --> 00:38:40.019 the encouragement that we need. We all need to be accountable to godly leadership. 556 00:38:40.489 --> 00:38:44.610 We all need the encouragement. You encourage one another daily, as long 557 00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:49.090 as it's called today, right. So we all need that encouragement and if 558 00:38:49.130 --> 00:38:52.289 we don't have that, if we don't have the encouragement you proverbs eighteen one. 559 00:38:52.809 --> 00:38:55.800 A man that isolates himself rages against sound judgment and he seeks his own 560 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.079 some of the people in my experience, which is one of the reasons why, 561 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:01.360 as a ministry, you can't volunteer with us unless you're a part of 562 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:05.320 local church. Some of the people I've seen that cause the most problems have 563 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.679 been people that are not part of a local church. Now, I'm not 564 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.110 tagging everybody with that. I don't think just because you're not part of local 565 00:39:10.150 --> 00:39:15.510 church your horrible person. That's not what I think, but I have had 566 00:39:15.750 --> 00:39:17.750 some pretty bad experiences with people who who are not part of local church and 567 00:39:17.789 --> 00:39:21.869 I think it's a biblical principle. Yeah, because you need that encouragement and 568 00:39:21.909 --> 00:39:24.539 accountability. You need people in the congregation, people that are close to you, 569 00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:27.780 to say hey, man, I think you're getting off the rail. 570 00:39:27.940 --> 00:39:30.420 Was a little bit. I think you're getting either desensitized are you're getting over 571 00:39:30.820 --> 00:39:35.900 you know, because you make this podcast. Should be more about either being 572 00:39:36.019 --> 00:39:38.809 desensitized or being overly obsessed. Yeah, because it can be a ditch on 573 00:39:38.889 --> 00:39:43.530 either side. Yeah, I remember someone that came to visit the sidewalk once 574 00:39:43.530 --> 00:39:45.210 and I said Hey, I didn't recognize him at all. I said Hey, 575 00:39:45.369 --> 00:39:49.250 how are you? My Name's Vicky. How you do and he said 576 00:39:49.650 --> 00:39:52.610 terrible, I'm and I said, Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 577 00:39:52.650 --> 00:39:54.320 Why? And he said he just pointed at the abortions and yeah, I 578 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.800 thought, yeah, it is terrible, but I was just asking more kind 579 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.679 yeah, make a conversation. Yeah, well, and that could be because 580 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.190 you're desensitizer. Could it could be because he was obsessed. It's too much 581 00:40:07.190 --> 00:40:10.309 obsessed. Exactly in the fourth point that I made, and it might even 582 00:40:10.309 --> 00:40:14.710 tied into a podcast we made a couple of weeks ago, which is talking 583 00:40:14.710 --> 00:40:16.349 about ministering in our mess, and we talked a little bit about you know, 584 00:40:16.429 --> 00:40:20.309 there could be times when we need need to back away from the sidewalk. 585 00:40:20.349 --> 00:40:22.219 If you're one of our volunteers with cities for life, we're not talking 586 00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:24.619 to you right now. You cannot back away. Yeah, you can't, 587 00:40:24.619 --> 00:40:28.940 because we need to now. There are times, you know, Jesus in 588 00:40:29.019 --> 00:40:32.460 his earthly ministry, sometimes he slipped away into the wilderness. There are times 589 00:40:32.659 --> 00:40:37.610 maybe you need to take a week off and step away from ministry and let 590 00:40:37.650 --> 00:40:42.889 it be fresh to you again. Yeah, and it's kind of a general 591 00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:45.530 principle of just, you know, taking a break, shutting your mind off 592 00:40:45.530 --> 00:40:49.170 from the stuff. You know, I had a pastor friend of mine a 593 00:40:49.210 --> 00:40:51.880 couple of years ago when I first came on board with cities for life full 594 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:53.920 time, tell me, because I was coming out six days a week every 595 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.880 time the abord and clinic was open every day, he actually told me. 596 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.639 And you need to take a day to disconnect. You need to not be 597 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.630 involved, because that's just too much for the for the human heart that loves 598 00:41:05.670 --> 00:41:07.869 God and loves people, to be involved in every day, six days a 599 00:41:07.949 --> 00:41:12.030 week. You're going to go you're going to go insane. Yeah, and 600 00:41:12.230 --> 00:41:15.469 that was wise, counsel. So I take a day of the week off 601 00:41:15.550 --> 00:41:20.780 and I don't come out. Yeah, that one day a week to disconnect. 602 00:41:20.980 --> 00:41:23.260 Right, right, because it will make you go crazy. So sometimes 603 00:41:23.260 --> 00:41:27.780 it's not sended to take a break and step away. Yeah, that's something 604 00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:30.300 before the Lord. You need to seek him for wisdom for, because we 605 00:41:30.539 --> 00:41:36.409 certainly don't want to justify because there's so many they're not active that need to 606 00:41:36.449 --> 00:41:39.570 be active. We shore don't want to justify inactivity when it concerns a murder 607 00:41:39.650 --> 00:41:43.369 of children, by just saying I need to take a break because Pai, 608 00:41:43.369 --> 00:41:45.369 you are flesh. will use all kinds of excuses. Yeah, yeah, 609 00:41:45.409 --> 00:41:50.960 but those are for those are good, those are good principles and in the 610 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.960 verse that I talked about her in the passages that I talked about, God 611 00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:59.960 tells us, gives us his I think I can interpret it as as his 612 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:07.269 antidote, okay, to to love, growing cold or desensitization to evil and 613 00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:12.789 and desensitized really to the primary love of God right should be motivating us. 614 00:42:13.190 --> 00:42:16.619 So in in that line it, he says, remember, therefore, from 615 00:42:16.659 --> 00:42:21.659 where you have fallen, repent and do the works. You did it first. 616 00:42:22.099 --> 00:42:23.380 So I want to break that down because I think that there are four 617 00:42:24.139 --> 00:42:31.570 keys in and how to prevent desensitization from right becoming an issue. First, 618 00:42:31.650 --> 00:42:36.369 remember, so, remember what God has done for you. Remember who you 619 00:42:36.449 --> 00:42:40.969 were without him. Remember those who are lost there in that same terrible place. 620 00:42:42.090 --> 00:42:45.599 Yeah, that you was were. Remember. The second thing he says 621 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:51.400 is repent, recognize as quickly as possible the hatred or the callousness that's beginning 622 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.599 to enter your heart and ask God to remove it. I think you talked 623 00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:59.789 about that. That you you you pray to God to help you too to 624 00:42:59.949 --> 00:43:06.829 return to that, that primary love, and and then return do the work 625 00:43:06.909 --> 00:43:09.510 God called you to do, with passionate love for him and what he accomplished 626 00:43:09.630 --> 00:43:15.340 in your soul, as you did when you first knew the incredible moment of 627 00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:20.539 salvation. And then the the final one is that there is a reward for 628 00:43:21.019 --> 00:43:23.699 for all of that. If we endure to the end, we don't give 629 00:43:23.780 --> 00:43:28.650 up, we don't abandon the work that God has given us and we and 630 00:43:28.849 --> 00:43:34.250 we endure with that, that first passionate love for him that motivated us to 631 00:43:34.289 --> 00:43:37.610 do that work in the first place, we will cross the finish line and 632 00:43:38.050 --> 00:43:42.840 and hear those words. We pray, well done, good and faithful servant. 633 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:52.039 Yeah, so we it's remember, repent, return and reward. Yeah, 634 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.150 it's our clever. That is that's very clever, very clever, and 635 00:43:57.949 --> 00:44:04.150 it's wisdom, wisdom from from the revival. Yeah. So, I don't 636 00:44:04.150 --> 00:44:06.869 know, are you ready to wrap this thing? Yeah, I think we've 637 00:44:06.949 --> 00:44:09.699 kind of note to end on. Yeah. Yeah, we hope this has 638 00:44:09.699 --> 00:44:14.940 been an encouragement. Do you guys? We did do a podcast months ago. 639 00:44:15.260 --> 00:44:17.099 I refer to our podcast because we do a lot of subjects and I 640 00:44:17.179 --> 00:44:22.059 think they're they're really helpful. We did one about fighting discouragement. Yeah, 641 00:44:22.139 --> 00:44:24.449 and I think that podcast, along with this one, will be helpful. 642 00:44:24.690 --> 00:44:29.969 I think so all of these podcasts are rising out of actual issues that we 643 00:44:30.130 --> 00:44:34.449 faced to that others in in our group have faced and we and we talked 644 00:44:34.449 --> 00:44:37.489 about them. Yeah, we figured if we're struggling with these issues. Probably 645 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.119 there are others. Yeah, yeah, and there are. We're getting some 646 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:45.199 feedback from people who are encouraged by the PODCAST. 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