Sept. 1, 2022

How To Effectively Use Your Voice at the Abortion Center

How To Effectively Use Your Voice at the Abortion Center

We are called to be a voice for the voiceless, sometimes this requires us to raise our voices to be heard. In the episode, we share some insights and encouragement on how to effectively use your voice at the abortion center.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:07.200 One of the most effective single things that I think I say is after the 2 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:12.119 three talking points, pause and then, young lady, what would God have 3 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:17.760 you do? And I've had many people tell me that that was a statement 4 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:24.559 that made them leave. I Am Yours, I am yours, I'm yours. 5 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:30.719 And Me, Lord, I am yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome 6 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:36.159 to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage 7 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:40.000 and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the 8 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:49.600 Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your pashed touch your heart. Yes, 9 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:56.479 Lord, use me. Lord. Hey, everyone, this is the gospel 10 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:00.640 centered pro life podcast. Yes, it is. I got it right, 11 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.920 you did, and I am here. I'm Vikikasi, York. I'm here 12 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:08.959 with Daniel Parks. Yeah, not much. Forget it. Let's I mean. 13 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:11.879 I'm not saying. I'm not saying what's up to you. I'm saying 14 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.519 what's up to the people. They're listening. We need to start all over. 15 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:23.120 Okay, all right. So this Um, this podcast, like Benny, 16 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:29.280 that we have developed, is hopefully an encouragement or will help to equip 17 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:33.040 you if you are out on the sidewalk, and this one, like many 18 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:38.439 of them, came when one of our counselors texted me and said that she 19 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:45.040 thought it was really valuable for us to go over just all of the things 20 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.560 we could come up with that would be tips, guidelines in how to speak 21 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:56.840 when calling out to the women on the sidewalk. So we we have often 22 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.799 talked about those sorts of things over various podcasts, but I don't think we've 23 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:07.280 ever pulled together in one podcast. What are all the things we could think 24 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:10.759 of that are useful things for a sidewalk counselor to know when they are calling 25 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.280 out to the people that at the sidewalk? Yeah, well, let's let's 26 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:19.080 get into it. You've got an article here, several bullet points. We 27 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.879 probably, we definitely won't go through all of the bullet points, but we'll 28 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:27.120 touch on some of the main ones. And just so we're clear, let's 29 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.159 define our terms calling out. We talk about this in our training. We 30 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.599 talked about this, I think, in just the Basic One oh one training 31 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.919 and we dig into it a little deeper in the one oh two training. 32 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.520 I believe you should know that. But either way we talk about it. 33 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.919 We've talked about in the PODCAST. But what are we talking about? We're 34 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:49.599 talking about raising our voices so as to be heard by those walking into the 35 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.039 abortion center. Some scenarios don't lend themselves to this. Our New York team, 36 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.120 they're right there on the sidewalk, literally can touch the front door of 37 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:00.639 the abortion center. Where they reach out at they're not going really, really 38 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.520 be doing a lot of calling out necessarily right. They're gonna be yelling at 39 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.080 people that are walking down the sidewalk, because that's what it can seem like. 40 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:08.199 Yelling. Now, I don't like to use the word yelling, but 41 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:14.360 it's what it is. Um but yelling has certain connotations. We're kind of 42 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:17.599 like angry or whatever in this context. We're raising our voice so it has 43 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:23.039 to be heard. And the TROUBE is where we use calling out a lot 44 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.159 went over the same way plant parenthood, the scenarios in which people are pulling 45 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.759 into a parking lot of the abortion center, they're walking from their car to 46 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.319 the door of the abortion center. You've got fifteen seconds. You're calling out, 47 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.919 you're not able to reach them. You're not to be right there in 48 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.240 front of them and talk one on one with a soft, calm voice. 49 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.759 You have to raise your voice right. There's some distance away generally and in 50 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.919 most facilities that that's the case. Yeah, and so, Um, one 51 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:53.560 of the most important things as we start out with this list of of general 52 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:59.879 speaking tips, is be friendly, winsome and uh, be friendly and winsome. 53 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.680 And the tone, and what I say is your tone will set the 54 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:08.919 tone. Your tone is crucial. You don't want to come across as just 55 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:15.400 an angry, lunatic, raving mad protester or whatever. You want to raise 56 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:20.319 your voice to be heard, but you want to be kind, you want 57 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:25.360 to be approachable in your tone and you can do that even if you've raised 58 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:30.680 your voice to be heard. You you can be gentle and kind and friendly. 59 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.399 Are the desires that they would come and talk to you ultimately, because 60 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:39.639 if you're calling out, the presumption is there a distance away and that's not 61 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.040 conducive to a good conversation. You want them to come over and approach you, 62 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.519 and so we believe you you really do have to be approachable for them, 63 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:53.399 for them to approach. And so this is like a key phrase to 64 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:58.600 remember. You guys that are listening. Calling out, the goal is not 65 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:03.079 just to deliver in from nation but to start a conversation right exactly. You're 66 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:08.199 delivering information. You're you're using the three talking points, and that's your next 67 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:11.439 point that you have in this article. Use the three talking points. You're 68 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:16.240 using those things, you're weaving them into that ten, fifteen second speech that 69 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:20.480 you're giving, as you're calling out. But you're not just delivering information, 70 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:26.319 you're give those three talking points and then give the invitation. Would you please 71 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:28.879 come over and talk to me right so it could go something like this. 72 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:31.800 Mama, your baby is precious, making the image of God. Your child's 73 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:35.279 heart is already beating. We have help and resources available to meet your needs. 74 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:39.160 Would you please come over and talk with me? And that's often all 75 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.480 the time you've had and you've got in all three of what we call the 76 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.560 main talking points. You got in all three of them, which are for 77 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.160 the thousandth time probably, if you listen to this podcast, much God, 78 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.759 resources and humanity of the baby, and you've got in all three of those 79 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.959 and we we do recommend you try and get all three of those in and 80 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.000 really every interaction, yeah, that that you have with with those moms. 81 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.279 But you see that I ended it with an invitation. I didn't just deliver 82 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:08.519 information, I did deliver some information, but that's not my only goal. 83 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:14.480 Essentially, what you're saying, based on these three important points, God loves 84 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:16.480 your baby, God has a good plan for you. Your baby is a 85 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:20.839 human being, imprecious, and we have resources for you based on that stuff. 86 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:25.319 Come over and talk with me. Again, you're giving an invitation, 87 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.360 not just delivering information, and hopefully they will and it. It may seem 88 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.000 like common sense if you're saying all this, you want them to come and 89 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.759 talk with you, but I think it is very wise to say please, 90 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:38.800 come and talk with me. Think so too, and it's very unwise, 91 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.959 if you were to do that, to end that with, please come and 92 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.920 talk to me, you feilthy murderer. And why is that, Daniel? 93 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.480 Because that can shut down the conversation before it even starts. And so your 94 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:54.720 next point here is not using condemning words. Now I will say we need 95 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:59.639 to be truthful and I'm not against, and we're we've never said anything against 96 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.319 using the word murder, talking about abortion being murder. It's just not the 97 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.439 first thing I'm going to start with right. I'M NOT gonna say don't murder 98 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:10.199 your baby and then go into the three talking points. I mean it's actually 99 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:12.839 one of the three talking points in a sense. Right it's calling it a 100 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.279 baby murder. That's a that's a moral terms based on what God's Word says. 101 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.879 Violation of the sixth commandment, for sure. So it's not that you 102 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:24.120 can't say that, it's just not the way I would start. And again, 103 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:28.199 you're, you're, you're, you're given an accusation rather than trying to 104 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:34.399 start that conversation right and and the reality is too. We did a whole 105 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:38.920 podcast. Should we use the word murder? But if you're using the word 106 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:44.160 murder and you know you're calling them a murderer, you're actually incorrect. If 107 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.560 they haven't had the abortion, they're not yet a murderer. Right now, 108 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:50.879 they're contemplating murder and you might say something to the effect of if you have 109 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:55.439 an abortion, you'll have murdered your baby like that. Think man, think 110 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:58.800 that's fine. I don't have a problem with that. I just don't like 111 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:05.360 the notion that Um accusing them of something. I don't like you. You 112 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.399 know I'll say this and I've seen God use this. Okay, we had 113 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.879 a situation recently with another man calling another man at the abortion center a coward 114 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.759 and you know, honestly, that's kind of my propensity. Right. How 115 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:26.079 would take more of that position of calling these men cowards, boys in men's 116 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.040 bodies, things like that. I've said that. I've done that, um, 117 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.480 but it's not gonna be my normal mode of operation. Right, I'm 118 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.440 that's not gonna be. If I do say those things, I'm gonna make 119 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.679 sure that it's what the Lord wants me to say and I'm still not gonna 120 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.080 lead with it. Right, if I was to call a man waiting in 121 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.519 the parking lot for his girlfriend to have the abortion a coward, I'm going 122 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:54.759 to do that in the conversation or in the context of a conversation or other 123 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.480 information that I've delivered first. So, based on these three talking points, 124 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:03.720 if you will go in there, you're a coward. I might say that, 125 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.919 but I'm still gonna be very, very careful not just to throw that 126 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.159 out there in some kind of cornal way. Yeah, I think that's really 127 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:15.399 important to make sure it's not your flesh talking because you're mad um, but 128 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.679 that the spirit has urging you that this person might need a little bit more 129 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:24.080 hard hitting comment. And usually if I work my way up to those sorts 130 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:30.120 of comments. It's that I the softer approach has maybe not worked. I've 131 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.360 seen them several times and at this point I feel like harder truths need need 132 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.799 to be expressed. Um, yeah, I mean I think generally speaking, 133 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.360 that's the flow of things. We're gonna get the harsher truths, like don't 134 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.480 murder your child, things like that, things that are gonna sting more. 135 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:50.080 It needs to be after the softer truths have been rejected. Right. Further 136 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.200 on in this article we talk about that it's always, if, if possible, 137 00:09:54.360 --> 00:10:00.720 pain to positive picture. That's kind of the opposite of what we naturally 138 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.960 want to do, which is called them coward, murderer, uh sinner, 139 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.600 whatever, um, but instead painting a positive picture. Again, if your 140 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.960 goal is that they're going to come and talk to you. People are much 141 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.039 more likely to come and talk with you if you are making them feel hopeful 142 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:26.120 and encouraged and in general, the more condemning sorts of name calling or anything 143 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:33.080 like that is not building hope or encouragement. It's almost more of causing the 144 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.519 guilt and shame to to come in. I do think there's a place for 145 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:43.159 guilt shame. Maybe not so much, but maybe sometimes Um, you know, 146 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.039 uh, if if they're about to murder their child, there there should 147 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.840 be a sense of shame for sure, but if you can paint a positive 148 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.120 picture, I will often say things like you can be the mom God designed 149 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.200 you to be, you can be the man God designed you to be, 150 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.559 you can be courageous. It's almost saying the same thing. Don't be a 151 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:07.919 coward, just flipping it to be you can be courageous, Um, so 152 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:15.840 that you're kind of inspiring them to be what God wants them to be in 153 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:20.360 a more positive way. Part of this list is developed, while all of 154 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:26.720 it really is developed through our experience. The we're listing things that we have 155 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:33.840 seen tend to be more effective than yeah, one practical point I'll mention here 156 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:39.279 so we don't move on beyond it, is one person calling out at a 157 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.480 time, no matter how good and how gracious and how kind, winsome and 158 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.559 great your tone is, if you've got three or four people calling out at 159 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.960 the same time out of your zeal, you know you're want to reach the 160 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.080 woman, the woman going into that place, and so you've got three people 161 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.720 calling out at the same time, people miss the forest for the trees. 162 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.840 If people are calling out all at the same time. You're not no one's 163 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.039 going to be hurt. It's just noise. Yeah, and so thinking of 164 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.559 ways that you know if you're if you're in a city other than Charlotte. 165 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.399 Of course, here in Charlotte we've thought through these ways. We have strategy 166 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.679 and all this stuff, and this stuff is pretty clear, but in other 167 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.120 cities maybe your brand new to this stuff. Thinking of ways if you're down 168 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.200 the sidewalk from each other and you really can't hear each other very clearly, 169 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.799 maybe hand signals. We have our hand up is what we've used in the 170 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.559 past. When someone's on the microphone and we want to call out with our 171 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.399 natural voice, we'll put our hand up and they'll shut the microphone down for 172 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.240 a second. We'll do calling out and then take it from there. Things 173 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.200 like that can help. I mean it's gonna Happen. It's gonna Happen where 174 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.080 people call out over each other. You just gotta be give grace to each 175 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.200 other. But you need to do our best not to call out over each 176 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:45.559 other. Right and when you're not speaking, there are other things you can 177 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.080 be doing. First of all, I stay focused. Don't get distracted by 178 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.440 talking with your teammates. We have said that a lot. But during the 179 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.240 times when you're not actively calling out, you should be in prayer. You 180 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:00.440 can be gathering clues about what you could be saying. You know, they 181 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.279 drive in with a car seat in the back. You can talk to the 182 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.159 fact that they have other children and the value of that child that they have 183 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.879 at home is the same in God's eyes as the value of the unborn child 184 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:16.320 whatever. So that time is not wasted when when you're not speaking, and 185 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.039 you do have to be careful to not fill it with just talking with your 186 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.399 teammates, because if you lose focus, you're gonna you're gonna Miss Things, 187 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.879 you're you're gonna Miss Miss the mom something that I don't always do, but 188 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:31.559 I do think it's important, is to use your name when you call out. 189 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.799 I will try to say hey, my name is Vicky, I'm here 190 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.519 with love life and we have hope and help for you. That's often how 191 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.919 I'll start. You personalize it, your your relationship, building what you're doing 192 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:50.320 exactly. Um, so, uh. Two of the words that are really 193 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:56.759 effective words calling out, free and help. Ye, these are effective words. 194 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:01.080 That's important words to call out. That's not you know, we're going 195 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.840 to call out a lot of gospel focused words as well in scripture, but 196 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.519 those two words were cited by many of the mothers that I work with who 197 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.480 have chosen life as two of the words that drew them over to us. 198 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:18.200 Yeah, so they're important to know. Free and help. Yeah, absolutely. 199 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.200 Yeah, you have here. If there's a more antagonistic per life group 200 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.440 on the side, wall a distance between you and them, and there can 201 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.279 be. Listen, God uses all kinds of people, um, and there 202 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:33.159 are people that are out there doing things that are not necessarily the love life 203 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.639 way. We don't pretend that our way is. We think it's the best 204 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.440 way. UNT pretend it's not the best way. We do believe it this, 205 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:46.120 yeah, we do, but we don't pretend it's the only we don't 206 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.919 pretend that it's the only thing that God can use. God uses the harsh 207 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.840 message and the soft message. I think we have a balance between both, 208 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.639 but there are some people that have a propensity towards more of the harsh stuff. 209 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.240 I've seen God use it, but there is times when it gets over 210 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.080 the top and you really got to distance yourself from it and it's best not 211 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.159 to. You know, if you can, if you can just gravitate away 212 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.399 from it. You don't have to make a big scene out of it, 213 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:15.639 a big show. We're leaving because you're too loud or you're to this or 214 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.480 to that. Just put yourself a little bit further down the street if you're 215 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:22.840 able to, if you can address it with the other group and reason with 216 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.159 them. Hey, this is actually not very helpful. We've been out here 217 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:31.399 for years or months or whatever. We've seen it's actually more effective if we 218 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:33.799 do it this way. If you can reason with them in that way, 219 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.799 then try to do that. Do that across the street or over coffee or 220 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:39.960 something like that. Don't do that in front of the pro aborts or in 221 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:41.720 front of the women going into the abortion center. We don't want to argue 222 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:46.320 methodology in front of the abortion center. Um, but if you can't do 223 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.559 anything about it, then distancing yourself can be can be helpful. Yeah, 224 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.200 and in fact that was one of the things that we list on. This 225 00:15:54.279 --> 00:16:00.919 is is don't argue Um and and don't don't approach those people that you disagree 226 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.320 with right there. Do it later somewhere else, not not in front of 227 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.639 the women. Use An unamplified voice, if at all possible. It's more 228 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:15.159 personal to speak with your normal voice, not over a microphone or whatever. 229 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.080 But if you are going to use a microphone, keep it brief, and 230 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:25.080 I really want to emphasize that because I know when I get on the microphone 231 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:30.840 I get on a roll. I like I there's this whole wonderful message I 232 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:37.720 suddenly feel compelled to give, but it becomes background noise if it goes on 233 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.679 too long. And we really all need to be careful make your these are 234 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:47.080 women in crisis. They are not going to be able to follow complex thought. 235 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.759 They they're struggling and we need to keep our thoughts brief, to the 236 00:16:52.919 --> 00:17:00.960 point and Um, and get on and get off. You know, in 237 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.160 fact, I think you've said maybe five minutes. Five minutes seems to be 238 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.799 a good amount of time, and then give time for them, give space 239 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.599 for them to process it. Yeah, yeah, because if you just go 240 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:15.160 long winded, Um, like Vicky tends to do, and it just becomes 241 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.039 White Annis. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. I'll probably do it more 242 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.000 than you do I get on the microphone. But yeah, we do need 243 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.680 to discline ourselves to do better at that. Um, five minutes. I 244 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:27.680 think is a good a good time frame. Give five minutes, let him 245 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:32.640 process it another five minutes, maybe ten minutes later or something. Again, 246 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:34.799 these are not hard and fast rules. That are just general ideas, things 247 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:40.920 that we've seen from experience to be most effective. Um, and you know, 248 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.240 like you said, we're not going to lay out a three point message 249 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.799 and connect all these theological dots for them. Yeah, stick to the three 250 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.279 talking points. Stick to what God says about the baby and about the mother, 251 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.880 about the situation. Talk about the humanity of the baby. You can 252 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:59.920 even get into describing abortion procedures. That can be helpful. You don't want 253 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:03.759 to just get unnecessarily gory, but just give the details of it are enough. 254 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:08.880 Yeah, and then give Um resources and how here we would always say 255 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.160 come on board the Mobultra sound, you know, and I would say even 256 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.960 after using the microphone, if that's what you're gonna do, you still want 257 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.799 to give an invitation to come over. I always will say when I'm on 258 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.440 the microphone and are amplified sound is a good bit away from the area of 259 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.160 engagement, Um, but I always will say there's women out here that would 260 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.200 love to talk with you. Vicky's here. I'll name out the folks. 261 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.640 Vicky's standing out here, UM, Kathleen standing out you should love to talk 262 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.440 and pray with you, and just trying to give them that invitation to that 263 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.960 reason to come from the parking lot out to the sidewall. Yeah, yeah, 264 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:47.000 don't be afraid to use scripture and biblical truths. That is ultimately what 265 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.599 does change hearts. So we want to don't shy away from that. Even 266 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:55.279 if you're in a like a liberal community where, you know, maybe there 267 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.640 aren't a lot of believers, I still would not shy away from scripture. 268 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.079 It is the power of God to save. So use scripture. Um, 269 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.720 I would say. I would reward it and say not only don't be afraid 270 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:14.279 to use it, absolutely use scripture. Be Bold and confident with Biblical truth. 271 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:21.079 One of the most effective single things that I think I say is after 272 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.519 the three talking points, pause and then, young lady, what would God 273 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:32.160 have you do? And I've had many people tell me that that was a 274 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:37.440 statement that made them leave because, you know, they know, they know 275 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:38.880 what God would have them do. So that that's really, I think, 276 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:45.160 important and I do want to reiterate that point. The previous point you talked 277 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:49.720 about using amplified sound versus unamplified voice. Just so that people don't miss that 278 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.160 what you said. If you have to use amplified sound, because you know 279 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.640 some of our clinics Carlson nation, they're on a busy road and they need 280 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.759 to amplify their voices because it's hard to get over to the traffic noise. 281 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:07.599 Praise God for the technology that we have used amplified sound, but it is 282 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:10.920 more personal if you don't amplify your voice. You think about it in that 283 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.599 in that sense, when you're on a microphone, you've got a speaker, 284 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.960 it's like you're speaking at them. If you don't have that barrier, that 285 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.440 electronic barrier, between you and them, it's it's more like you're speaking to 286 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.440 them. That makes sense. It definitely makes sense, and it's the same 287 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:32.640 thing with a megaphone. That definitely makes you look like a cheerleader and but 288 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.079 sometimes you have to. I definitely have to if if I'm going to be 289 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:40.960 heard and I need to be heard. But whenever possible, speak in a 290 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.559 normal tone of voice and get them to cut. That's why it's so important 291 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.240 to invite them over, to get them to come and talk with you. 292 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:52.200 Yeah, Um, let's see, we have a whole lot on this list. 293 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.640 So that you all know, we do have an article that accompanies this 294 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.440 and you can read through this list, because we're not going to go through 295 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:03.200 every one of them. But something that I think is really critical don't give 296 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.559 up. Don't give up. It is so easy to think I've already called 297 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.759 out to them twice. Well, that may be, but if they're standing 298 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:18.519 there on the porch or whatever and they can still hear your voice, don't 299 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:23.799 give up. The next thing you say might be the thing that tips the 300 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.839 scale. Yeah, I'm thinking about a young lady that we that chose life 301 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.480 like eight years ago. You just mentioned her today. I won't mention her 302 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:37.599 name, but you remember we interviewed her and one of like important part of 303 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.960 her testimony was the persistence of the counselors that were out there. She said 304 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:47.079 she went in and out like seven or eight times and she was astounded at 305 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:51.519 the fact that every time she went out and every time you went out to 306 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.359 her car from the abortion center and every time she walked back in from her 307 00:21:55.359 --> 00:22:00.599 car to the abortion center, someone addressed her and she appreciated that and it 308 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.839 actually broke through the hardness of her heart. We can we contend to think 309 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:08.200 we're just we're just making them angry. Now there does come a point when 310 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.079 they tell you to F off and they tell you to shut your mouth. 311 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.519 It's best maybe to sting him with a little bit of truth after that, 312 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:19.359 but just leave them alone, because you don't want to unnecessarily poke the bear 313 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:22.279 if they've closed their heart. Like Jesus said, if you go into a 314 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.400 city and they don't receive you, knocked the dust off your feet. Move 315 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.039 On. If someone says F off and stop talking to me, it's kind 316 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.440 of like that. Knock the dust off your feet and move on to the 317 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:37.960 next person, Um. But until they do that, I would say keep 318 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:42.400 pressing in, keep calling out, keep engaging with keep inviting them to come 319 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:48.079 over and talk with you. Totally agree, and I make them have to 320 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:52.599 tell you stop talking. Don't don't just assume they're sick of you. Let 321 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.279 them prove it. Yeah, exactly, Um. There have been so many, 322 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:02.400 so many times when I have pursued some one literally, sometimes running after 323 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.920 them Um up the street when they had been so antagonistic, and that last 324 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:14.680 little effort is what changed their heart and I think what you're showing them, 325 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:19.599 is what I'm saying, is so important. I it is worth me risking 326 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:26.359 your wrath because your baby is that valuable. So I think you're you're making 327 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:34.440 that point just by your by your persistence. Um, let's see. How 328 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:38.720 about if they don't feel like talking, sometimes I'll say that if you don't 329 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:44.559 feel like talking, then just come get our free information and Um, and 330 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.839 I promise you, and then I have to keep that promise. I'm not 331 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.920 going to badge you anymore. I won't talk with you, but but just 332 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:55.160 come get the literature, because the literature can do the talking for you. 333 00:23:55.279 --> 00:24:00.200 Then another important point, and this kind of gives along the lines, that 334 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.200 invitation. You're not just delivering information, but you're giving an invitation. Please 335 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:07.200 come over and talk with me, or would you come over and let me 336 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.079 pray with you? A lot of times people that would reject a conversation would 337 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.359 not reject prayer. And you know, you never know if they will until 338 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.599 you ask, would you come over and talk with us, or would you 339 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.440 let us just pray with you? And then, of course, when you 340 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:26.480 get an opportunity to pray with them, you're you're gonna pray with them and 341 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:30.279 for them, but also pray at them and pray the truths of God's word, 342 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.400 pray the truth about their baby, God's love for them and for their 343 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.640 baby. So something like father, I pray for this young man. I 344 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.880 pray that you would help him to see the value of his child, help 345 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:42.440 him to have courage to go in there and get his girlfriend out of there 346 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:45.839 and help him to see that you've made provision for him and for his baby, 347 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.400 for his girlfriend, for his wife or whatever. That's how I might 348 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:52.279 pray at him, praying truths, reminding him of the Truth and the value 349 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:56.559 of his baby and praying some courage into him, like you can go in 350 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:00.000 there and get her out. So the things I might say to him directly, 351 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.119 one on one, I'm actually asking the Lord to speak to his heart, 352 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.680 and so it's it's a way, for lack of a better term, 353 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:10.839 to pray at them. Yeah, I agree. Um, something that happened 354 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:12.839 today that I really do want to speak about. It's not on this article, 355 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:18.519 but it was miraculous and I think it will help a lot of you, 356 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:25.559 because many people are facing pretty aggressive opposition on the sidewalk and in here 357 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.880 in Charlotte and I've seen it elsewhere. What happens is a mom will stop 358 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:34.359 to engage with us and right away the opposition is just circling US and right 359 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:41.200 there and saying don't talk to them, they lie Um, they're just protesters. 360 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.359 And that happened today with one of the most vocal of the opposition. 361 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:52.200 I was by the car window and she was right behind me and she was 362 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.640 screaming at the top of her lungs telling this woman who is abortion minded, 363 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:03.200 just drive in Lee don't talk to her. Sometimes she's so loud. When 364 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.799 that happens, and I think this is common, we just don't want to 365 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.519 add to the noise and we sometimes then are quiet, waiting for a moment 366 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.880 when she takes a breath to speak. I didn't do that today. Today 367 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:21.279 I thought I am not going to seed this ground to the devil and I 368 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:26.880 just kept looking at woman right in her eyes and delivering my what I wanted 369 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.920 her to hear. Just kept talking with her, speaking truth. What would 370 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.400 God have you do? Are you a believer? We have help. I 371 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.960 know you don't really want to come in this place and take your child's life. 372 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.880 Please would you just pull over and let me talk with you and to 373 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:48.000 my shock, she did, and this was a definitely an actively abortion minded 374 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.079 woman. So it goes along with what we said. Don't give up, 375 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:56.240 but also don't be afraid. We said don't talk over our teammates. I 376 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.200 agree with that. You never should unless there's a really compelling reason, but 377 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:08.160 I do think sometimes we do need to out talk the opposition because their voice 378 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:15.720 is pleading for death. Our voice maybe the only voice pleading for life, 379 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:22.160 and trust that God can miraculously open someone's ears to that voice. What you're 380 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:29.759 not saying is don't turn around and screaming her face. There, very good 381 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:34.119 point. I don't speak to her at all. I just try to pretend 382 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:38.519 she's not there, that I'm not hearing what she's saying, and I just 383 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:44.920 keep speaking as I would have spoken had she not shown up. So it 384 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:49.000 doesn't always work. It did today, which which empowers me then and encourages 385 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.960 me to keep doing that. 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