How To Effectively Use Your Voice at the Abortion Center

WEBVTT100:00:00.080 --> 00:00:07.200One of the most effective single thingsthat I think I say is after the200:00:07.200 --> 00:00:12.119three talking points, pause and then, young lady, what would God have300:00:12.279 --> 00:00:17.760you do? And I've had manypeople tell me that that was a statement400:00:17.879 --> 00:00:24.559that made them leave. I AmYours, I am yours, I'm yours.500:00:24.839 --> 00:00:30.719And Me, Lord, I amyours, I'm yours. I'm welcome600:00:30.760 --> 00:00:36.159to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage700:00:36.240 --> 00:00:40.000and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the800:00:40.000 --> 00:00:49.600Gospel. Stay tuned. I feltyour pashed touch your heart. Yes,900:00:50.159 --> 00:00:56.479Lord, use me. Lord.Hey, everyone, this is the gospel1000:00:56.600 --> 00:01:00.640centered pro life podcast. Yes,it is. I got it right,1100:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.920you did, and I am here. I'm Vikikasi, York. I'm here1200:01:03.960 --> 00:01:08.959with Daniel Parks. Yeah, notmuch. Forget it. Let's I mean.1300:01:08.959 --> 00:01:11.879I'm not saying. I'm not sayingwhat's up to you. I'm saying1400:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.519what's up to the people. They'relistening. We need to start all over.1500:01:17.159 --> 00:01:23.120Okay, all right. So thisUm, this podcast, like Benny,1600:01:23.200 --> 00:01:29.280that we have developed, is hopefullyan encouragement or will help to equip1700:01:29.519 --> 00:01:33.040you if you are out on thesidewalk, and this one, like many1800:01:33.120 --> 00:01:38.439of them, came when one ofour counselors texted me and said that she1900:01:38.719 --> 00:01:45.040thought it was really valuable for usto go over just all of the things2000:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.560we could come up with that wouldbe tips, guidelines in how to speak2100:01:51.159 --> 00:01:56.840when calling out to the women onthe sidewalk. So we we have often2200:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.799talked about those sorts of things overvarious podcasts, but I don't think we've2300:02:00.840 --> 00:02:07.280ever pulled together in one podcast.What are all the things we could think2400:02:07.319 --> 00:02:10.759of that are useful things for asidewalk counselor to know when they are calling2500:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.280out to the people that at thesidewalk? Yeah, well, let's let's2600:02:15.319 --> 00:02:19.080get into it. You've got anarticle here, several bullet points. We2700:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.879probably, we definitely won't go throughall of the bullet points, but we'll2800:02:22.919 --> 00:02:27.120touch on some of the main ones. And just so we're clear, let's2900:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.159define our terms calling out. Wetalk about this in our training. We3000:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.599talked about this, I think,in just the Basic One oh one training3100:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.919and we dig into it a littledeeper in the one oh two training.3200:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.520I believe you should know that.But either way we talk about it.3300:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.919We've talked about in the PODCAST.But what are we talking about? We're3400:02:43.919 --> 00:02:49.599talking about raising our voices so asto be heard by those walking into the3500:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.039abortion center. Some scenarios don't lendthemselves to this. Our New York team,3600:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.120they're right there on the sidewalk,literally can touch the front door of3700:02:57.120 --> 00:03:00.639the abortion center. Where they reachout at they're not going really, really3800:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.520be doing a lot of calling outnecessarily right. They're gonna be yelling at3900:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.080people that are walking down the sidewalk, because that's what it can seem like.4000:03:07.159 --> 00:03:08.199Yelling. Now, I don't liketo use the word yelling, but4100:03:08.240 --> 00:03:14.360it's what it is. Um butyelling has certain connotations. We're kind of4200:03:14.360 --> 00:03:17.599like angry or whatever in this context. We're raising our voice so it has4300:03:17.639 --> 00:03:23.039to be heard. And the TROUBEis where we use calling out a lot4400:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.159went over the same way plant parenthood, the scenarios in which people are pulling4500:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.759into a parking lot of the abortioncenter, they're walking from their car to4600:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.319the door of the abortion center.You've got fifteen seconds. You're calling out,4700:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.919you're not able to reach them.You're not to be right there in4800:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.240front of them and talk one onone with a soft, calm voice.4900:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.759You have to raise your voice right. There's some distance away generally and in5000:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.919most facilities that that's the case.Yeah, and so, Um, one5100:03:47.919 --> 00:03:53.560of the most important things as westart out with this list of of general5200:03:53.599 --> 00:03:59.879speaking tips, is be friendly,winsome and uh, be friendly and winsome.5300:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.680And the tone, and what Isay is your tone will set the5400:04:03.759 --> 00:04:08.919tone. Your tone is crucial.You don't want to come across as just5500:04:08.960 --> 00:04:15.400an angry, lunatic, raving madprotester or whatever. You want to raise5600:04:15.439 --> 00:04:20.319your voice to be heard, butyou want to be kind, you want5700:04:20.319 --> 00:04:25.360to be approachable in your tone andyou can do that even if you've raised5800:04:25.360 --> 00:04:30.680your voice to be heard. Youyou can be gentle and kind and friendly.5900:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.399Are the desires that they would comeand talk to you ultimately, because6000:04:33.439 --> 00:04:39.639if you're calling out, the presumptionis there a distance away and that's not6100:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.040conducive to a good conversation. Youwant them to come over and approach you,6200:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.519and so we believe you you reallydo have to be approachable for them,6300:04:48.600 --> 00:04:53.399for them to approach. And sothis is like a key phrase to6400:04:53.680 --> 00:04:58.600remember. You guys that are listening. Calling out, the goal is not6500:04:58.759 --> 00:05:03.079just to deliver in from nation butto start a conversation right exactly. You're6600:05:03.120 --> 00:05:08.199delivering information. You're you're using thethree talking points, and that's your next6700:05:08.319 --> 00:05:11.439point that you have in this article. Use the three talking points. You're6800:05:11.519 --> 00:05:16.240using those things, you're weaving theminto that ten, fifteen second speech that6900:05:16.319 --> 00:05:20.480you're giving, as you're calling out. But you're not just delivering information,7000:05:21.399 --> 00:05:26.319you're give those three talking points andthen give the invitation. Would you please7100:05:26.319 --> 00:05:28.879come over and talk to me rightso it could go something like this.7200:05:29.199 --> 00:05:31.800Mama, your baby is precious,making the image of God. Your child's7300:05:31.800 --> 00:05:35.279heart is already beating. We havehelp and resources available to meet your needs.7400:05:35.399 --> 00:05:39.160Would you please come over and talkwith me? And that's often all7500:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.480the time you've had and you've gotin all three of what we call the7600:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.560main talking points. You got inall three of them, which are for7700:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.160the thousandth time probably, if youlisten to this podcast, much God,7800:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.759resources and humanity of the baby,and you've got in all three of those7900:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.959and we we do recommend you tryand get all three of those in and8000:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.000really every interaction, yeah, thatthat you have with with those moms.8100:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.279But you see that I ended itwith an invitation. I didn't just deliver8200:06:04.319 --> 00:06:08.519information, I did deliver some information, but that's not my only goal.8300:06:09.839 --> 00:06:14.480Essentially, what you're saying, basedon these three important points, God loves8400:06:14.480 --> 00:06:16.480your baby, God has a goodplan for you. Your baby is a8500:06:16.560 --> 00:06:20.839human being, imprecious, and wehave resources for you based on that stuff.8600:06:21.639 --> 00:06:25.319Come over and talk with me.Again, you're giving an invitation,8700:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.360not just delivering information, and hopefullythey will and it. It may seem8800:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.000like common sense if you're saying allthis, you want them to come and8900:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.759talk with you, but I thinkit is very wise to say please,9000:06:33.800 --> 00:06:38.800come and talk with me. Thinkso too, and it's very unwise,9100:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.959if you were to do that,to end that with, please come and9200:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.920talk to me, you feilthy murderer. And why is that, Daniel?9300:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.480Because that can shut down the conversationbefore it even starts. And so your9400:06:49.519 --> 00:06:54.720next point here is not using condemningwords. Now I will say we need9500:06:54.759 --> 00:06:59.639to be truthful and I'm not against, and we're we've never said anything against9600:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.319using the word murder, talking aboutabortion being murder. It's just not the9700:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.439first thing I'm going to start withright. I'M NOT gonna say don't murder9800:07:06.480 --> 00:07:10.199your baby and then go into thethree talking points. I mean it's actually9900:07:10.199 --> 00:07:12.839one of the three talking points ina sense. Right it's calling it a10000:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.279baby murder. That's a that's amoral terms based on what God's Word says.10100:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.879Violation of the sixth commandment, forsure. So it's not that you10200:07:19.959 --> 00:07:24.120can't say that, it's just notthe way I would start. And again,10300:07:24.199 --> 00:07:28.199you're, you're, you're, you'regiven an accusation rather than trying to10400:07:28.199 --> 00:07:34.399start that conversation right and and thereality is too. We did a whole10500:07:34.439 --> 00:07:38.920podcast. Should we use the wordmurder? But if you're using the word10600:07:39.000 --> 00:07:44.160murder and you know you're calling thema murderer, you're actually incorrect. If10700:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.560they haven't had the abortion, they'renot yet a murderer. Right now,10800:07:46.600 --> 00:07:50.879they're contemplating murder and you might saysomething to the effect of if you have10900:07:50.920 --> 00:07:55.439an abortion, you'll have murdered yourbaby like that. Think man, think11000:07:55.480 --> 00:07:58.800that's fine. I don't have aproblem with that. I just don't like11100:07:58.920 --> 00:08:05.360the notion that Um accusing them ofsomething. I don't like you. You11200:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.399know I'll say this and I've seenGod use this. Okay, we had11300:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.879a situation recently with another man callinganother man at the abortion center a coward11400:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.759and you know, honestly, that'skind of my propensity. Right. How11500:08:20.800 --> 00:08:26.079would take more of that position ofcalling these men cowards, boys in men's11600:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.040bodies, things like that. I'vesaid that. I've done that, um,11700:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.480but it's not gonna be my normalmode of operation. Right, I'm11800:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.440that's not gonna be. If Ido say those things, I'm gonna make11900:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.679sure that it's what the Lord wantsme to say and I'm still not gonna12000:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.080lead with it. Right, ifI was to call a man waiting in12100:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.519the parking lot for his girlfriend tohave the abortion a coward, I'm going12200:08:48.559 --> 00:08:54.759to do that in the conversation orin the context of a conversation or other12300:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.480information that I've delivered first. So, based on these three talking points,12400:08:58.639 --> 00:09:03.720if you will go in there,you're a coward. I might say that,12500:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.919but I'm still gonna be very,very careful not just to throw that12600:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.159out there in some kind of cornalway. Yeah, I think that's really12700:09:11.200 --> 00:09:15.399important to make sure it's not yourflesh talking because you're mad um, but12800:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.679that the spirit has urging you thatthis person might need a little bit more12900:09:18.799 --> 00:09:24.080hard hitting comment. And usually ifI work my way up to those sorts13000:09:24.080 --> 00:09:30.120of comments. It's that I thesofter approach has maybe not worked. I've13100:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.360seen them several times and at thispoint I feel like harder truths need need13200:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.799to be expressed. Um, yeah, I mean I think generally speaking,13300:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.360that's the flow of things. We'regonna get the harsher truths, like don't13400:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.480murder your child, things like that, things that are gonna sting more.13500:09:45.279 --> 00:09:50.080It needs to be after the softertruths have been rejected. Right. Further13600:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.200on in this article we talk aboutthat it's always, if, if possible,13700:09:54.360 --> 00:10:00.720pain to positive picture. That's kindof the opposite of what we naturally13800:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.960want to do, which is calledthem coward, murderer, uh sinner,13900:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.600whatever, um, but instead paintinga positive picture. Again, if your14000:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.960goal is that they're going to comeand talk to you. People are much14100:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.039more likely to come and talk withyou if you are making them feel hopeful14200:10:18.159 --> 00:10:26.120and encouraged and in general, themore condemning sorts of name calling or anything14300:10:26.159 --> 00:10:33.080like that is not building hope orencouragement. It's almost more of causing the14400:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.519guilt and shame to to come in. I do think there's a place for14500:10:37.559 --> 00:10:43.159guilt shame. Maybe not so much, but maybe sometimes Um, you know,14600:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.039uh, if if they're about tomurder their child, there there should14700:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.840be a sense of shame for sure, but if you can paint a positive14800:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.120picture, I will often say thingslike you can be the mom God designed14900:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.200you to be, you can bethe man God designed you to be,15000:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.559you can be courageous. It's almostsaying the same thing. Don't be a15100:11:01.639 --> 00:11:07.919coward, just flipping it to beyou can be courageous, Um, so15200:11:09.000 --> 00:11:15.840that you're kind of inspiring them tobe what God wants them to be in15300:11:16.159 --> 00:11:20.360a more positive way. Part ofthis list is developed, while all of15400:11:20.360 --> 00:11:26.720it really is developed through our experience. The we're listing things that we have15500:11:26.919 --> 00:11:33.840seen tend to be more effective thanyeah, one practical point I'll mention here15600:11:33.879 --> 00:11:39.279so we don't move on beyond it, is one person calling out at a15700:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.480time, no matter how good andhow gracious and how kind, winsome and15800:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.559great your tone is, if you'vegot three or four people calling out at15900:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.960the same time out of your zeal, you know you're want to reach the16000:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.080woman, the woman going into thatplace, and so you've got three people16100:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.720calling out at the same time,people miss the forest for the trees.16200:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.840If people are calling out all atthe same time. You're not no one's16300:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.039going to be hurt. It's justnoise. Yeah, and so thinking of16400:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.559ways that you know if you're ifyou're in a city other than Charlotte.16500:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.399Of course, here in Charlotte we'vethought through these ways. We have strategy16600:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.679and all this stuff, and thisstuff is pretty clear, but in other16700:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.120cities maybe your brand new to thisstuff. Thinking of ways if you're down16800:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.200the sidewalk from each other and youreally can't hear each other very clearly,16900:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.799maybe hand signals. We have ourhand up is what we've used in the17000:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.559past. When someone's on the microphoneand we want to call out with our17100:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.399natural voice, we'll put our handup and they'll shut the microphone down for17200:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.240a second. We'll do calling outand then take it from there. Things17300:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.200like that can help. I meanit's gonna Happen. It's gonna Happen where17400:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.080people call out over each other.You just gotta be give grace to each17500:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.200other. But you need to doour best not to call out over each17600:12:41.240 --> 00:12:45.559other. Right and when you're notspeaking, there are other things you can17700:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.080be doing. First of all,I stay focused. Don't get distracted by17800:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.440talking with your teammates. We havesaid that a lot. But during the17900:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.240times when you're not actively calling out, you should be in prayer. You18000:12:56.240 --> 00:13:00.440can be gathering clues about what youcould be saying. You know, they18100:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.279drive in with a car seat inthe back. You can talk to the18200:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.159fact that they have other children andthe value of that child that they have18300:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.879at home is the same in God'seyes as the value of the unborn child18400:13:11.960 --> 00:13:16.320whatever. So that time is notwasted when when you're not speaking, and18500:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.039you do have to be careful tonot fill it with just talking with your18600:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.399teammates, because if you lose focus, you're gonna you're gonna Miss Things,18700:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.879you're you're gonna Miss Miss the momsomething that I don't always do, but18800:13:26.919 --> 00:13:31.559I do think it's important, isto use your name when you call out.18900:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.799I will try to say hey,my name is Vicky, I'm here19000:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.519with love life and we have hopeand help for you. That's often how19100:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.919I'll start. You personalize it,your your relationship, building what you're doing19200:13:43.440 --> 00:13:50.320exactly. Um, so, uh. Two of the words that are really19300:13:50.360 --> 00:13:56.759effective words calling out, free andhelp. Ye, these are effective words.19400:13:56.720 --> 00:14:01.080That's important words to call out.That's not you know, we're going19500:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.840to call out a lot of gospelfocused words as well in scripture, but19600:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.519those two words were cited by manyof the mothers that I work with who19700:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.480have chosen life as two of thewords that drew them over to us.19800:14:13.759 --> 00:14:18.200Yeah, so they're important to know. Free and help. Yeah, absolutely.19900:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.200Yeah, you have here. Ifthere's a more antagonistic per life group20000:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.440on the side, wall a distancebetween you and them, and there can20100:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.279be. Listen, God uses allkinds of people, um, and there20200:14:28.279 --> 00:14:33.159are people that are out there doingthings that are not necessarily the love life20300:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.639way. We don't pretend that ourway is. We think it's the best20400:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.440way. UNT pretend it's not thebest way. We do believe it this,20500:14:41.799 --> 00:14:46.120yeah, we do, but wedon't pretend it's the only we don't20600:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.919pretend that it's the only thing thatGod can use. God uses the harsh20700:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.840message and the soft message. Ithink we have a balance between both,20800:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.639but there are some people that havea propensity towards more of the harsh stuff.20900:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.240I've seen God use it, butthere is times when it gets over21000:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.080the top and you really got todistance yourself from it and it's best not21100:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.159to. You know, if youcan, if you can just gravitate away21200:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.399from it. You don't have tomake a big scene out of it,21300:15:11.440 --> 00:15:15.639a big show. We're leaving becauseyou're too loud or you're to this or21400:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.480to that. Just put yourself alittle bit further down the street if you're21500:15:18.519 --> 00:15:22.840able to, if you can addressit with the other group and reason with21600:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.159them. Hey, this is actuallynot very helpful. We've been out here21700:15:26.200 --> 00:15:31.399for years or months or whatever.We've seen it's actually more effective if we21800:15:31.440 --> 00:15:33.799do it this way. If youcan reason with them in that way,21900:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.799then try to do that. Dothat across the street or over coffee or22000:15:37.840 --> 00:15:39.960something like that. Don't do thatin front of the pro aborts or in22100:15:39.960 --> 00:15:41.720front of the women going into theabortion center. We don't want to argue22200:15:41.759 --> 00:15:46.320methodology in front of the abortion center. Um, but if you can't do22300:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.559anything about it, then distancing yourselfcan be can be helpful. Yeah,22400:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.200and in fact that was one ofthe things that we list on. This22500:15:54.279 --> 00:16:00.919is is don't argue Um and anddon't don't approach those people that you disagree22600:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.320with right there. Do it latersomewhere else, not not in front of22700:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.639the women. Use An unamplified voice, if at all possible. It's more22800:16:08.840 --> 00:16:15.159personal to speak with your normal voice, not over a microphone or whatever.22900:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.080But if you are going to usea microphone, keep it brief, and23000:16:19.320 --> 00:16:25.080I really want to emphasize that becauseI know when I get on the microphone23100:16:25.600 --> 00:16:30.840I get on a roll. Ilike I there's this whole wonderful message I23200:16:32.120 --> 00:16:37.720suddenly feel compelled to give, butit becomes background noise if it goes on23300:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.679too long. And we really allneed to be careful make your these are23400:16:41.720 --> 00:16:47.080women in crisis. They are notgoing to be able to follow complex thought.23500:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.759They they're struggling and we need tokeep our thoughts brief, to the23600:16:52.919 --> 00:17:00.960point and Um, and get onand get off. You know, in23700:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.160fact, I think you've said maybefive minutes. Five minutes seems to be23800:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.799a good amount of time, andthen give time for them, give space23900:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.599for them to process it. Yeah, yeah, because if you just go24000:17:10.759 --> 00:17:15.160long winded, Um, like Vickytends to do, and it just becomes24100:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.039White Annis. I'm just kidding.I'm kidding. I'll probably do it more24200:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.000than you do I get on themicrophone. But yeah, we do need24300:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.680to discline ourselves to do better atthat. Um, five minutes. I24400:17:23.720 --> 00:17:27.680think is a good a good timeframe. Give five minutes, let him24500:17:27.680 --> 00:17:32.640process it another five minutes, maybeten minutes later or something. Again,24600:17:32.680 --> 00:17:34.799these are not hard and fast rules. That are just general ideas, things24700:17:34.839 --> 00:17:40.920that we've seen from experience to bemost effective. Um, and you know,24800:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.240like you said, we're not goingto lay out a three point message24900:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.799and connect all these theological dots forthem. Yeah, stick to the three25000:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.279talking points. Stick to what Godsays about the baby and about the mother,25100:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.880about the situation. Talk about thehumanity of the baby. You can25200:17:55.920 --> 00:17:59.920even get into describing abortion procedures.That can be helpful. You don't want25300:17:59.920 --> 00:18:03.759to just get unnecessarily gory, butjust give the details of it are enough.25400:18:03.960 --> 00:18:08.880Yeah, and then give Um resourcesand how here we would always say25500:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.160come on board the Mobultra sound,you know, and I would say even25600:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.960after using the microphone, if that'swhat you're gonna do, you still want25700:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.799to give an invitation to come over. I always will say when I'm on25800:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.440the microphone and are amplified sound isa good bit away from the area of25900:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.160engagement, Um, but I alwayswill say there's women out here that would26000:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.200love to talk with you. Vicky'shere. I'll name out the folks.26100:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.640Vicky's standing out here, UM,Kathleen standing out you should love to talk26200:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.440and pray with you, and justtrying to give them that invitation to that26300:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.960reason to come from the parking lotout to the sidewall. Yeah, yeah,26400:18:41.319 --> 00:18:47.000don't be afraid to use scripture andbiblical truths. That is ultimately what26500:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.599does change hearts. So we wantto don't shy away from that. Even26600:18:51.640 --> 00:18:55.279if you're in a like a liberalcommunity where, you know, maybe there26700:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.640aren't a lot of believers, Istill would not shy away from scripture.26800:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.079It is the power of God tosave. So use scripture. Um,26900:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.720I would say. I would rewardit and say not only don't be afraid27000:19:07.759 --> 00:19:14.279to use it, absolutely use scripture. Be Bold and confident with Biblical truth.27100:19:14.640 --> 00:19:21.079One of the most effective single thingsthat I think I say is after27200:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.519the three talking points, pause andthen, young lady, what would God27300:19:26.599 --> 00:19:32.160have you do? And I've hadmany people tell me that that was a27400:19:32.200 --> 00:19:37.440statement that made them leave because,you know, they know, they know27500:19:37.519 --> 00:19:38.880what God would have them do.So that that's really, I think,27600:19:38.920 --> 00:19:45.160important and I do want to reiteratethat point. The previous point you talked27700:19:45.160 --> 00:19:49.720about using amplified sound versus unamplified voice. Just so that people don't miss that27800:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.160what you said. If you haveto use amplified sound, because you know27900:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.640some of our clinics Carlson nation,they're on a busy road and they need28000:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.759to amplify their voices because it's hardto get over to the traffic noise.28100:20:02.039 --> 00:20:07.599Praise God for the technology that wehave used amplified sound, but it is28200:20:07.680 --> 00:20:10.920more personal if you don't amplify yourvoice. You think about it in that28300:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.599in that sense, when you're ona microphone, you've got a speaker,28400:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.960it's like you're speaking at them.If you don't have that barrier, that28500:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.440electronic barrier, between you and them, it's it's more like you're speaking to28600:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.440them. That makes sense. Itdefinitely makes sense, and it's the same28700:20:26.480 --> 00:20:32.640thing with a megaphone. That definitelymakes you look like a cheerleader and but28800:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.079sometimes you have to. I definitelyhave to if if I'm going to be28900:20:36.160 --> 00:20:40.960heard and I need to be heard. But whenever possible, speak in a29000:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.559normal tone of voice and get themto cut. That's why it's so important29100:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.240to invite them over, to getthem to come and talk with you.29200:20:47.640 --> 00:20:52.200Yeah, Um, let's see,we have a whole lot on this list.29300:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.640So that you all know, wedo have an article that accompanies this29400:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.440and you can read through this list, because we're not going to go through29500:20:57.599 --> 00:21:03.200every one of them. But somethingthat I think is really critical don't give29600:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.559up. Don't give up. Itis so easy to think I've already called29700:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.759out to them twice. Well,that may be, but if they're standing29800:21:11.799 --> 00:21:18.519there on the porch or whatever andthey can still hear your voice, don't29900:21:18.559 --> 00:21:23.799give up. The next thing yousay might be the thing that tips the30000:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.839scale. Yeah, I'm thinking abouta young lady that we that chose life30100:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.480like eight years ago. You justmentioned her today. I won't mention her30200:21:30.559 --> 00:21:37.599name, but you remember we interviewedher and one of like important part of30300:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.960her testimony was the persistence of thecounselors that were out there. She said30400:21:41.000 --> 00:21:47.079she went in and out like sevenor eight times and she was astounded at30500:21:47.079 --> 00:21:51.519the fact that every time she wentout and every time you went out to30600:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.359her car from the abortion center andevery time she walked back in from her30700:21:55.359 --> 00:22:00.599car to the abortion center, someoneaddressed her and she appreciated that and it30800:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.839actually broke through the hardness of herheart. We can we contend to think30900:22:03.880 --> 00:22:08.200we're just we're just making them angry. Now there does come a point when31000:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.079they tell you to F off andthey tell you to shut your mouth.31100:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.519It's best maybe to sting him witha little bit of truth after that,31200:22:15.599 --> 00:22:19.359but just leave them alone, becauseyou don't want to unnecessarily poke the bear31300:22:19.400 --> 00:22:22.279if they've closed their heart. LikeJesus said, if you go into a31400:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.400city and they don't receive you,knocked the dust off your feet. Move31500:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.039On. If someone says F offand stop talking to me, it's kind31600:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.440of like that. Knock the dustoff your feet and move on to the31700:22:32.440 --> 00:22:37.960next person, Um. But untilthey do that, I would say keep31800:22:37.480 --> 00:22:42.400pressing in, keep calling out,keep engaging with keep inviting them to come31900:22:42.400 --> 00:22:48.079over and talk with you. Totallyagree, and I make them have to32000:22:48.119 --> 00:22:52.599tell you stop talking. Don't don'tjust assume they're sick of you. Let32100:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.279them prove it. Yeah, exactly, Um. There have been so many,32200:22:56.400 --> 00:23:02.400so many times when I have pursuedsome one literally, sometimes running after32300:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.920them Um up the street when theyhad been so antagonistic, and that last32400:23:08.039 --> 00:23:14.680little effort is what changed their heartand I think what you're showing them,32500:23:14.920 --> 00:23:19.599is what I'm saying, is soimportant. I it is worth me risking32600:23:19.680 --> 00:23:26.359your wrath because your baby is thatvaluable. So I think you're you're making32700:23:26.400 --> 00:23:34.440that point just by your by yourpersistence. Um, let's see. How32800:23:34.480 --> 00:23:38.720about if they don't feel like talking, sometimes I'll say that if you don't32900:23:38.759 --> 00:23:44.559feel like talking, then just comeget our free information and Um, and33000:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.839I promise you, and then Ihave to keep that promise. I'm not33100:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.920going to badge you anymore. Iwon't talk with you, but but just33200:23:51.039 --> 00:23:55.160come get the literature, because theliterature can do the talking for you.33300:23:55.279 --> 00:24:00.200Then another important point, and thiskind of gives along the lines, that33400:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.200invitation. You're not just delivering information, but you're giving an invitation. Please33500:24:03.240 --> 00:24:07.200come over and talk with me,or would you come over and let me33600:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.079pray with you? A lot oftimes people that would reject a conversation would33700:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.359not reject prayer. And you know, you never know if they will until33800:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.599you ask, would you come overand talk with us, or would you33900:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.440let us just pray with you?And then, of course, when you34000:24:22.440 --> 00:24:26.480get an opportunity to pray with them, you're you're gonna pray with them and34100:24:26.519 --> 00:24:30.279for them, but also pray atthem and pray the truths of God's word,34200:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.400pray the truth about their baby,God's love for them and for their34300:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.640baby. So something like father,I pray for this young man. I34400:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.880pray that you would help him tosee the value of his child, help34500:24:40.960 --> 00:24:42.440him to have courage to go inthere and get his girlfriend out of there34600:24:42.400 --> 00:24:45.839and help him to see that you'vemade provision for him and for his baby,34700:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.400for his girlfriend, for his wifeor whatever. That's how I might34800:24:48.440 --> 00:24:52.279pray at him, praying truths,reminding him of the Truth and the value34900:24:52.279 --> 00:24:56.559of his baby and praying some courageinto him, like you can go in35000:24:56.599 --> 00:25:00.000there and get her out. Sothe things I might say to him directly,35100:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.119one on one, I'm actually askingthe Lord to speak to his heart,35200:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.680and so it's it's a way,for lack of a better term,35300:25:06.720 --> 00:25:10.839to pray at them. Yeah,I agree. Um, something that happened35400:25:10.880 --> 00:25:12.839today that I really do want tospeak about. It's not on this article,35500:25:12.920 --> 00:25:18.519but it was miraculous and I thinkit will help a lot of you,35600:25:18.680 --> 00:25:25.559because many people are facing pretty aggressiveopposition on the sidewalk and in here35700:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.880in Charlotte and I've seen it elsewhere. What happens is a mom will stop35800:25:29.920 --> 00:25:34.359to engage with us and right awaythe opposition is just circling US and right35900:25:34.400 --> 00:25:41.200there and saying don't talk to them, they lie Um, they're just protesters.36000:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.359And that happened today with one ofthe most vocal of the opposition.36100:25:47.160 --> 00:25:52.200I was by the car window andshe was right behind me and she was36200:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.640screaming at the top of her lungstelling this woman who is abortion minded,36300:25:57.279 --> 00:26:03.200just drive in Lee don't talk toher. Sometimes she's so loud. When36400:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.799that happens, and I think thisis common, we just don't want to36500:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.519add to the noise and we sometimesthen are quiet, waiting for a moment36600:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.880when she takes a breath to speak. I didn't do that today. Today36700:26:15.920 --> 00:26:21.279I thought I am not going toseed this ground to the devil and I36800:26:21.359 --> 00:26:26.880just kept looking at woman right inher eyes and delivering my what I wanted36900:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.920her to hear. Just kept talkingwith her, speaking truth. What would37000:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.400God have you do? Are youa believer? We have help. I37100:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.960know you don't really want to comein this place and take your child's life.37200:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.880Please would you just pull over andlet me talk with you and to37300:26:42.039 --> 00:26:48.000my shock, she did, andthis was a definitely an actively abortion minded37400:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.079woman. So it goes along withwhat we said. Don't give up,37500:26:52.319 --> 00:26:56.240but also don't be afraid. Wesaid don't talk over our teammates. I37600:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.200agree with that. You never shouldunless there's a really compelling reason, but37700:27:00.279 --> 00:27:08.160I do think sometimes we do needto out talk the opposition because their voice37800:27:08.839 --> 00:27:15.720is pleading for death. Our voicemaybe the only voice pleading for life,37900:27:15.160 --> 00:27:22.160and trust that God can miraculously opensomeone's ears to that voice. What you're38000:27:22.200 --> 00:27:29.759not saying is don't turn around andscreaming her face. There, very good38100:27:29.759 --> 00:27:34.119point. I don't speak to herat all. I just try to pretend38200:27:34.240 --> 00:27:38.519she's not there, that I'm nothearing what she's saying, and I just38300:27:38.680 --> 00:27:44.920keep speaking as I would have spokenhad she not shown up. So it38400:27:44.960 --> 00:27:49.000doesn't always work. It did today, which which empowers me then and encourages38500:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.960me to keep doing that. Yeah, yeah, that's good, good,38600:27:53.079 --> 00:27:57.200good encouraging stuff. I hope this, uh was some good encouraging stuff for38700:27:57.240 --> 00:28:02.000you guys. Certainly was for me, and I hope these general tips for38800:28:02.079 --> 00:28:06.160calling out equipped you. If youhave any questions about this, or other38900:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.960episodes that we've done, maybe suggestionsfor future episodes. We'd love to hear39000:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.079from you. Can reach out tomeet Daniel at Love Life Dot Org.39100:28:12.119 --> 00:28:15.039You reach her Vicky with a hyat Love Life Dot Org. We also39200:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.640asked that you guys would leave usa review on this podcast. Maybe you39300:28:18.680 --> 00:28:26.400listen through apple podcasts or Google podcastsor some other services. Please leave us39400:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.519a review get us up in therankings. 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