July 21, 2022

How To Detect and Deal With Scams

How To Detect and Deal With Scams

In our outreach to women considering abortion, we sometimes encounter people pretending to need help but have ulterior motives. Some of these folks may be proabortion supporters trying to either distract us or get inside information. In this episode, we talk about how to detect these scams as well as how to deal with these situations should they arise.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.640 But there are things that you can do, that you can notice so that 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:05.519 you can ask. I was thinking, how can I tell? Sometimes I've 3 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:08.599 been fooled and I will tell you I've been fooled. So maybe I'm not 4 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:12.320 the best person to suggest these things, but um, but there are some 5 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:19.320 things that I think you can do to discern. I'm yours, I'm yours, 6 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:26.719 I'm yours, and me Lord, I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm 7 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:31.359 welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, 8 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.359 encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on 9 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:47.799 the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your passh touch your heart. Use 10 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:53.000 Me. Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. 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Okay, here's what we're talking about, guys. 34 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:30.120 Especially in this day and age in post row America, as pro life organizations, 35 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:32.360 we get hit from every angle. Right we're getting these threats. We 36 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.800 did an episode about saying safe on the sidewalk because there's some threats out there. 37 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.800 We also get pro abortion people that pretend to be moms that have chosen 38 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:44.759 life. We even had one pro abortion person we reach out on our social 39 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:49.759 media page saying that they're a former pro abortion person and now they've got religious 40 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.639 or something. I can't remember how they worded it, but the way they 41 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.520 worded it was obvious that they were not serious. They were trying to I 42 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:59.199 don't know if they were trying to get information from US or they're trying to 43 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.879 get I don't even know what their motive was. Who knows, but they 44 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:07.360 were obviously they had even as their profile photo, like a stock image. 45 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.319 That's really how we were immediately cued into the fact that this was some pro 46 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:16.039 abort so there is some there's some scams. You had some scammer pro abortion 47 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:20.280 person reach out to you and say that they were considering an abortion and you 48 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:22.840 went back and forth with them on text for a while, for like a 49 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:28.280 week. Yeah, so so it happens and I think, well, we'll 50 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.080 talk about some of the principles, right. I knew you've you've done this 51 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:36.680 and uh, dealt with this a couple of times, or at least several 52 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.919 times. I mean several times, probably more than I even know. Yeah, 53 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.159 and even heard one of our missionaries out in California say that someone came 54 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.879 across their radar, I think called one of their numbers, maybe from the 55 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:51.159 back of the pamphlet or whatever, and said that they were wanting help, 56 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.639 but it was obvious that they were a pro abortion person or there was somebody 57 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:59.319 that's wanted to do some either ask some questions, to get some information that 58 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.400 they could use, a enst us or something like that. and Um, 59 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.159 and this guy's discernment, he said, my discernment was telling me this person 60 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:09.039 is not legit. So he just ignored it. So of course the Lord's 61 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:12.639 on our side. We can seek the Lord. God can give us wisdom, 62 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.720 God can help us circumnavigate these things, but there's also just some practical 63 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.800 wisdom that we can give from you, gotta give to you, guys, 64 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:21.680 from some of our experiences. So that's what we want to do. Just 65 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:26.600 the first and foremost, just to have you guys radar up. Not everyone 66 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.800 is legit, not not everyone that claims to be a mom that needs help 67 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:34.279 because she's considering an abortion is actually a mom that's considering an abortion. Sometimes 68 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:39.199 it's a pro abort sometimes it's someone trying to infiltrate or something like that. 69 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.079 So just be aware of that. And so I tried to approach this subject 70 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:48.120 from a very kind of logical, organized manner and thinking it through, because 71 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:53.399 the gut response, I think of most of us is if they're a scam, 72 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.639 if they're not real, we just hang up on them whenever or we 73 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:00.920 ignore, we don't contact. I'm going to challenge that little bit. I 74 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.480 don't think that should always be our response and I'm going to try and present 75 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:09.279 the case why. Mostly why is because that's not what I do usually, 76 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.120 but but that's not true. Sometimes I do. And so I wanted to 77 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.240 lay out when do you engage, when do you not, and why? 78 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.560 And the first honestly, the first question is why does it matter? Why 79 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:26.600 does it matter that this is someone who is scamming or not, whether they're 80 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.360 a fake mom or a real mom, because I will tell you the truth, 81 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.680 if I'm going to engage whether I know, you know, I don't 82 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:40.879 know necessarily whether they're real or not. I'M gonna say the same stuff anyway. 83 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.800 I'm not going to change who I am or the truth of the Gospel 84 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.079 or the truth of the humanity of the baby or the truth of the resources. 85 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:56.000 Those are truth and so my message will be remain the same. But 86 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.240 there are things we definitely need to be aware of and be cautious into that. 87 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.879 Yeah, yeah, if we do what we do out of the truth 88 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:09.000 of God's Word and we do it consistently with the convictions that we hold in 89 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.439 our hearts, that we got nothing to worry about. You know, I 90 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:16.680 was actually aware of and concerned about a couple of years ago some pro abortion 91 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:23.079 people kind of Um doing some investigation into my life, into my family and 92 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:27.240 stuff like that. Even think maybe they hired a private investigator or something to 93 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.560 follow me to find the information about me. Yeah, it's because of some 94 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:32.920 of the things that pro abortion people said. I'm like, how do they 95 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.560 know that? You know, but I've been very plain about my past and 96 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:40.519 what the Lord saved me from, and I'm also I'm like, okay, 97 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.959 yeah, please, like follow me and check up on me, like please 98 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.800 do, and you'll see a man who's consistent with what he says. You 99 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:50.160 can go and interview my kids and sometimes a jerk to my kids, but 100 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:55.199 I can tell you I'm consistent because I believe in Jesus. Jesus has changed 101 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.279 my life. I don't have anything to worry about right. I've got nothing 102 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.120 to hide. So please follow me, please. You know, infiltrate, 103 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.879 you can infiltrate my home, and what you're gonna find out is I love 104 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.120 my wife, I love my kids, I love Jesus and I love you, 105 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.000 and I'm gonna I'm gonna Preach The Gospel to you. Right. That's 106 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.639 how it is for us, like we've got nothing to hide. Even if 107 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:18.399 we get some pro abortion infiltrator on board the mobile ultrasound unit, what are 108 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.399 they gonna find? They're gonna find that we actually do all for a lot, 109 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:26.319 that we do a lot of it. There's a real nurse, a 110 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:30.480 real ultrasound, and it's not even an ultrasound of a chipmunk fetus like some 111 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:35.199 have claim it's a real baby. We're consistent, if listen, if we're 112 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.480 consistent and we do what we say we're gonna do, if we're consistent with 113 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:44.319 the word of God, then we got nothing to hide and we got nothing 114 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.480 to worry about. That's correct. However, given that, and and so 115 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.319 live a life of integrity. Beod the Lord that that is critical for anyone 116 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:57.399 in any Christian but I think even more so when you're in the ministry that 117 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:01.680 is such a fierce spiritual battle. There's a skeleton in your closet that you're 118 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:07.720 hiding because you're still living it. That's not good. That's going to be 119 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.360 uncovered and that's that endangers you. It endangers the ministry. But it does 120 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:16.040 matter, even though I'm going to speak to them in the same way. 121 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:24.439 I would suggest you. It does matter for you to learn how to differentiate 122 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:31.439 or discern a scammer versus a real mom, because in one case a baby's 123 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:37.440 life is on the line and in the other case it's not, and so 124 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:43.279 there is definitely a different sense of urgency in in those two cases, and 125 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:48.200 I'm you know, it's going to change. Whether I talked to them during 126 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.679 my dinner hour or whether I wait and talk to them the next morning, 127 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.840 for example. Yeah, of course, realizing too that many of the people 128 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.679 that listening to this podcast or volunteers and they don't have more than just a 129 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.120 couple of hours a week to volunteer in this capacity. Their high school moms 130 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.440 or they're working a full time job or whatever. So you have to determine 131 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:11.919 if someone reaches out to you, let's say, I mean the scenario that 132 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.159 we're speaking from is you've got your number, maybe a google voice number. 133 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.039 That's what we encourage you guys to do. Put of a google voice number 134 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.279 on the back of the brochures that you hand out of the abortion center. 135 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.240 So maybe you've done that and you've gotten a text message. You're a phone 136 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.879 call from someone and it could be a pro abortion person, it could be 137 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.840 a mom that's considering an abortion. Right, you've got to determine if you 138 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.080 think if you if there's a high likelihood that this is a pro abortion person, 139 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.559 you can kind of pick up on some of the language that they use 140 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.200 and and things like that. Um, then you've got to determine is it 141 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.840 worth it for me to kind of bear with this conversation so that ultimately, 142 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.639 I can show them that we're consistent and I can share the gospel with them. 143 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:50.399 Or should I just ignore it? Right, because there's sometimes that you 144 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.559 should, and maybe it's just seeking the Lord and asking the Lord for Wisdom. 145 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:56.919 But at the end of the day, if it takes you off of 146 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:01.320 the sidewalk, then you can't do it. You can't do it if it's 147 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.919 a pro abortion person. Don't go back and forth of them. Don't waste 148 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.519 your time. Just consider it giving pearls to swine. Jesus, that's a 149 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.879 really, really important and good point. So, Um. So, anyway, 150 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:16.559 I think we've we've lad the case that you should try to discern if 151 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.360 who you're speaking with is authentic or not. Um, your radar will go 152 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.879 up. I think if you're spiritually discerning at all, you will kind of 153 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.360 feel that intuition, that radar that has been uh, kind of be being 154 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:33.919 that something's off here, like you said, Um and, but there are 155 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:35.679 things that you can do, that you can notice or that you can ask. 156 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.200 I was thinking, how can I tell sometimes I've been fooled. I 157 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.840 will tell you I've been fooled. So maybe I'm not the best person to 158 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.919 suggest these things. But Um. But there are some things that I think 159 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.639 you can do to discern Um and some of the questions. For example, 160 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.200 one of the first things I will ask how did this mom find out about 161 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:58.519 us? Because if they kind of Hem and Han they can't quite tell us 162 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.519 how, then they probably found out about us while they were on the sidebox, 163 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.840 standing across the, you know, the parking lot from us and they're 164 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.000 a pro abortion person. So how did they find out about you? So 165 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.919 if they text you, you can ask the question. Okay, great, 166 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.759 good to hear from you. How did you find out about us? Right, 167 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.480 and I always asked that. I do always ask that and I can 168 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:22.159 usually gauge from their response. Sometimes that's the initial giveaway immediately, not always. 169 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.799 So what are some of the answers that you've got? Um, well, 170 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.320 uh, sometimes they have in hot I don't know, a friend of 171 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.279 a friend, I think. And then you're already suspicious. I asked someone 172 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.600 today that I thought could be a scammer. So how did you find out 173 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.600 about us? And she said on, on the Internet, but then and 174 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.360 then I pursued it. Oh, well, like what? And that's the 175 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:48.240 thing. Don't just accept the first answer. Keep digging digging in and she 176 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:54.639 said on on your website, and I said what website, and she said 177 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.840 the love life website and then actually she said the love life facebook. So 178 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.759 Um, there is enough detail at that point that I don't think she was 179 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:09.519 a Scammera but like there were other things that you know. So Um. 180 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.080 So, yeah, listen to what they say about about how they found out. 181 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.840 Um, how did she how did they get your phone number? Because 182 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:22.279 my phone number is not on the Um, on the facebook or on the 183 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.399 website. But if someone has gotten my phone number, Um, and I 184 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.240 do use the Google phone number, and then I always ask how did you 185 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.320 get my phone number? Now, if they say it was on the literature 186 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.519 that you give out, I'm gonna have to talk to her as though she's 187 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.320 a real mom, because that could be legitimate. However, the pro abortion 188 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.519 crowd also has that phone number. So I'm gonna air on the side of 189 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:54.080 it being a real mom. Yeah, response is I got it on the 190 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.639 internet or I got it. That's going to be immediately suspect because it's posted 191 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:00.919 there. Correct. It is not. It is not. They would not 192 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.799 have gotten it there. So Um, then my next question is usually why 193 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:09.080 are you contacting me, what's going on and make it open ended. What's 194 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:15.519 going on is often what I'll say, and you can tell sometimes from their 195 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.159 response that it's made up and or they'll if it's a pro abortion person, 196 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:30.000 sometimes what I'll hear is like every single objection to pro life. Yeah, 197 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.279 yeah, I just want to lay it out right there, make you feel 198 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:37.799 bad about even standing for life because their situation. I've been raped by my 199 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.679 by my brother. Yeah, Um, and it's in a topic pregnancy. 200 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.399 You know, it'll be kind of so off the wall. You know, 201 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.159 every you can kind of tell that, okay, this is obviously not a 202 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.519 mom that's really in need. But the good ones, and there are good 203 00:13:54.519 --> 00:14:01.840 ones, effective scammers and they will give usually a very legit amant um reason 204 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:07.759 why they're contacting you. is she willing to speak by phone or only text? 205 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.200 Okay, now, the ones that speak only by text are definitely more 206 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:15.879 suspect, but on the other hand, in this day and age that's usually 207 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.360 the preferred method of contact. But if they absolutely refuse to talk with you 208 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:26.679 on the phone, that to me is a red flags flag. So, 209 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.919 Um, what is her story and why is she seeking help? That's kind 210 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:33.799 of what I said, why is she contacting you? But really delve into 211 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:41.159 into that, ask a lot of questions is key in discerning it. Does 212 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.799 their stories stay consistent? Yeah, and that's a way really to determine whether 213 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.480 or not they're a scammer. Like if a woman is contacting you because she 214 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.360 has a difficult situation, a day later she's not going to forget the details 215 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:56.399 of that situation. So if you ask questions that are based on that previous 216 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.159 scenario that she had given you and it's different the next day or something, 217 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.720 it's it's pretty evident this person is a scammer and I don't know about you, 218 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.200 but personally I think it's good just to plainly ask if you if you 219 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:16.200 detect that they're trying to scam you. They're trying to again, what's the 220 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.519 scam? They're not trying to maybe they're trying to get money from us. 221 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:20.759 I don't know if that's the case or not, but most of the time 222 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.320 been up to up to this point in my experience, that has not been 223 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.120 the motivation. Most of the time they're just trying to waste your time. 224 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.919 They're trying to whatever. They're trying to get information and all that stuff, 225 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.399 but I don't think it's bad just to ask. Hey, you could word 226 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.320 it like this. There's some pro abortion people that try to get information from 227 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.080 us. Are you one of those people? Can you just be honest with 228 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:46.960 me? Yeah, yeah, and we'll go from there. Yeah, I 229 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.240 think sometimes the answer could tell you whether or not they actually are. I 230 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.879 mean, if it's a pro abortion person, they're probably not going to say 231 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.399 no, I'm actually a pro abortion person, not a not a woman in 232 00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:00.480 need of help. Um, but I think just plainly asking and the answer 233 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.519 that you get, if it is a mom in need, she it could 234 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.559 be a telling answer. Actually. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so the 235 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:12.159 direct approach is always an option and and sometimes that is that if they're lewd 236 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:17.799 in any way, Um, which does happen sometimes, then I'll I'll alright 237 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.519 say scammer and hang up on them if they you know, because I know 238 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:23.559 that's not how a mom in need is going to be cheating me. And 239 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.679 so there's a certain level of humility that a woman that reaches out to a 240 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.039 stranger for help is going to have. Yeah, and if they lack that 241 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:34.120 humility and they're just being, like you said, lude and crude and just 242 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:38.200 throwing out rather than asking for help. All they're doing is throwing out accusations. 243 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.960 Then, yeah, just don't waste your I do say I'm praying for 244 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.639 you before I hang up, usually not that that makes much difference, but 245 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:49.240 I do. Um, here's here's a tip off. Does she seem to 246 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.840 be speaking the talking points of the pro abortion industry? So you start hearing 247 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:59.000 language, not and I don't mean bad language, but these sorts of things 248 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:04.039 that the Um pro abortion people say as accusations against pro life people. That's 249 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:10.519 not a mom's not the language that kind of stuff. That would be a 250 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:14.599 tip off. Exactly. You hear those sorts of things? Yeah, because 251 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:21.240 against atomy, exactly, my body, my choice, or those kinds of 252 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.559 things. Those are not what I hear from the MOMS. I do not 253 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:27.160 hear those, and especially from my mom who's reaching out for help. Those 254 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.720 are not the sorts of things I hear. Um. The last one I 255 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.079 already mentioned Um, and there's others, but these are the ones right off 256 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.079 the top of my head. Maybe you'll live some more, but really be 257 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:42.200 careful about looking for inconsistencies and do the facts change when they're questioned further? 258 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:45.839 Because those that's a that's a tip off that, if they're not a scam, 259 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:52.160 they're lying, they're hiding. Something that happened today as as we counseled 260 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.200 someone. So Um, we knew she was lying because the story just kept 261 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.200 changing. and Um, I never call them a liar, or I really 262 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:04.200 do, but I do keep asking questions and then I will deal with as 263 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:10.480 I did today, with the issue of lying as a sin against God and 264 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:14.799 an example that shows to me these are people who are not fully committed, 265 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:18.440 they have not committed their life to the Lord. Yeah, yeah, now, 266 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.519 of course, realizing that the moms that we minister to, who are 267 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.880 legitimately in need of help, are prone to lying, they are changing the 268 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.160 story, there's maybe some embarrassment or whatever there might be, or they won't 269 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.000 tell you exactly what's going on, and so you have to dig a little 270 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.799 deeper. But that is at least a yellow flag, if not a red 271 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.599 flag. Exactly exactly. So, if you are convinced now you've you've maybe 272 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.519 asked all these things and you've figured out, okay, they this is a 273 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:51.279 scam. Um, we don't need to talk about about what to do if 274 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.880 it's a mom in need. We've already dealt with that on many, many 275 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.720 podcasts. Um. But if it is a scammer, I guess you know 276 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.559 they're really are two choices. You hang up on them and you don't waste 277 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:04.559 your time, or you decide to engage. And so I want to talk 278 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:12.839 a little bit about Um, some thing's precautions. Don't do if you have 279 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:18.160 figured out there a scammer, UM, text or call from a google voice 280 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.400 phone. Member, don't use your own cell phone. I just found out 281 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.720 from a safety expert that talked with us that any cell phone number can be 282 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.759 traced to your home and so, knowing that, yeah, I'd be very 283 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.319 cautious about especially if you've just figured out you're talking to someone who's a scammer. 284 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:40.000 Hopefully you're talking to her already on a google voice phone or text. 285 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:44.240 Um, don't give out personal information at all. You don't want them to 286 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.519 trace where you live or who you are. If you offer to meet, 287 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.160 which some some of our counselors do want to meet with the women that they're 288 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:55.160 counseling, and that's great, but make sure it is a very public place 289 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:59.599 where you know there's gonna be plenty of other people around. Um, don't 290 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:06.079 give d tales on the ministry or yourself. Uh, be careful with accusations. 291 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:07.680 Like I don't accuse them of scamming or lying. For one thing, 292 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.559 it is possible I could be wrong. That has happened where I've accused them 293 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.160 of being a scammer and they were not, and then I've lost, you 294 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.200 know, an element of trust that I've worked hard to gain. So be 295 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:25.599 careful. But then here's why I would engage with them. If you accuse 296 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:32.599 them falsely or even rightly, you may lose the opportunity that maybe God has 297 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:37.000 given you to save a soul. Of course we don't save the soul, 298 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:40.920 he does, but that he has given you the opportunity to be used by 299 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:45.799 him to speak. Yeah, yeah, and then again, like I talked 300 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.319 about earlier, if we're actually consistent and we do what we say we're going 301 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.480 to do and all the false notions that they have about us, that we're 302 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.119 lying, that we force people to become Christians before we'll help them, those 303 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:59.799 kind of things that they put out there, they're gonna actually find those things 304 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.640 are true. You might actually win them over, maybe not to the Lord, 305 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:07.240 but at least win them over that we're genuine people and that what we're 306 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:10.880 doing is a legitimate ministry, that we actually are helping people. Yeah, 307 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:15.559 and so when I'm in a text conversation, which is great because I've got 308 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.440 the evidence of what I said and I can look back and think, is 309 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:23.720 there anything I've said that is, Um, questionable and I'll correct it in 310 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:30.720 the future. But Um, I do find these to be really rich opportunities 311 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:37.119 to speak of the Lord and to speak of why they should value innocent human 312 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:42.160 life in the womb. So, Um, I use the same three talking 313 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:48.319 points when I know that it's a scammer as when I know it's a mom. 314 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.480 But of course I would probably reduce the emphasis on resources because they don't 315 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.319 really need them. It's good to mention them because if it is a Scammera, 316 00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:59.920 then they realize we do what we say we're going to do and we 317 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.559 too and we are going to offer these resources. But if I'm talking in 318 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:07.279 our three talking points, God, humanity, the baby and resources, if 319 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:14.039 I'm sharing the Gospel and the humanity of the baby, hopefully something is gonna, 320 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.480 you know, enter their soul and and maybe and maybe change your heart. 321 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.680 Um. But something I discovered, because other people tell me, is 322 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:30.119 especially if you're texting with them. screenshots of those texts could end up in 323 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:36.039 hostile territory on social media. So is that a good thing? Might be. 324 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:38.200 I think it could be. As long as we're consistent with the scripture. 325 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:42.920 The word of God be being broadcasts right, right. So, but 326 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:51.440 know that that could happen because be very careful, read your text carefully before 327 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:55.799 you hit send when you're interacting with them. I don't know about your Serie, 328 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:00.880 but my serie has a potty mouth. You would not. Yeah, 329 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:06.000 and so I'll send text sometimes and then look back at it and I'm horribied 330 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:10.799 what I have just sent. So do be careful, read over the text 331 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:12.680 to make sure that they reflect. If you're part of love life, they 332 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:19.519 better reflect what what we find to be true and good. Um. But 333 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:25.000 be careful that you're above reproach, because they could be they could be made 334 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:29.960 Um public and you certainly don't want to discredit your testimony as as a Christ 335 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.880 follower or you know, in any way discredit God. Um. Oh, 336 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:38.480 and I think that, no matter what, you should be respectful and kind 337 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:44.960 because because you really might change her heart. Now, when the one that 338 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.839 I interacted with recently it was for a full week and it was a big 339 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:56.279 time investment and I wasn't completely certain. I thought she might be a scammer, 340 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:02.960 but I wasn't certain. So I did continue for about a week and 341 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:08.400 in the end Um she sent a photograph of a an aborted fetus, saying 342 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:11.839 I just took the pill and I just took it. She took it like 343 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:17.680 an hour before this picture. And there's there's this picture she sent me. 344 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.680 Clearly off the Internet. I'd seen the picture of an aborted baby, all 345 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.559 cleaned up and everything, lying on an ice clean tablecloth. A real mom 346 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.079 who has first of all, if you've just taken the pill, that baby's 347 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:36.599 not gonna be aborted for several hours minimum and probably not till the next day 348 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:41.279 or further Um. And next you're not going to clean that baby up and 349 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.119 you know, so the baby there's no blood or anything. It's just perfectly 350 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.720 clean little baby on a nice clean tablecloth. So I knew it was a 351 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:56.039 scam at that moment, but I chose to continue ministering to her the way 352 00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:00.480 I would minister to a post abord of women and Sharing The Gospel and and 353 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.720 actually trying to build a relationship and she's still talking to me now. After 354 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.720 she hears this, maybe she won't, because I've never said I know you're 355 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.960 fake. I've never said that. Picture is that the best you could do? 356 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:15.240 I've never said that, but I feel like God has put her in 357 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:21.200 my path. The latest question she asked. She said that we were talking 358 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:25.359 about believing in God and right before I went to bed, she said, 359 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:27.519 she said, I used to believe in God. I said, well, 360 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:33.759 what changed? And she said, Um, because I could not prove his 361 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:40.039 existence to my children. And there was something about that that touched my heart 362 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:45.960 because I'd been there. I knew exactly where she was on that spiritual journey. 363 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:51.720 It might be fake, but I did address that Um and in fact, 364 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:53.440 what I said I said, I'm about to go to bed, but 365 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:56.079 I just want to put this out there. My brother is a scientist and 366 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:03.359 he told me that gravity cannot be even, but only the effects of gravity. 367 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.440 And she said, well then that's proof, and I said, and 368 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:10.759 that's how I proved God and left it and I and I thought that. 369 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:15.319 Let her stew in that thought for a little while and who knows where to? 370 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:22.400 He knows what if the Lord in his awesome wisdom has ordained this conversation 371 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:30.440 to bring that young lady to the Lord. It could be. We don't 372 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:34.519 know what it is, but you know it could be and and so I'm 373 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:40.039 always waying that when I'm engaging in these in these conversations, and I think 374 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.799 you know, some of you would not have the time to do it. 375 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.640 There are times I really feel like I really don't have the time to do 376 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.759 this, but at this point I'm kind of feeling like it is from God, 377 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.359 that God is saying continues. So until I get a clear direction, 378 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:59.160 okay, it's time to end this discussion. I'll probably keep keep talking with 379 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.000 her. Yeah. Well, guys, be in prayer for that young lady 380 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:07.839 or man or whoever it is that Vicky's engaging with, and also just stay 381 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.039 in prayer. God can give you, guys, wisdom. When you get 382 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:15.599 people that come across your radar, they text you or they may be a 383 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.079 message you on social media or whatever, and they could be scammers or whatever. 384 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.839 God will give you wisdom. God can reveal that and as long as 385 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.400 you're consistent, you've got nothing to worry about. Right, as long as 386 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.279 you do what God's word says we should be doing. You've got nothing to 387 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.799 worry about. God will use it for his glory. God's words going forth. 388 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.400 God's word doesn't return void. So whether you're talking to a pro aboard 389 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.799 that's pretending to be a mom that's pregnant need in need of help, or 390 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.200 you're talking to a mom who's indeed pregnant and in need of help, either 391 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.319 way, God's Word isn't gonna Return Void, and so we are praying for 392 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.720 you, guys, and UH. I hope this podcast episode was a blessing. 393 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.359 You, guys, please share this with your friends family members that would 394 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:53.720 be blessed by it. Please reach out to us. You can reach me 395 00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.240 Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You reach her Vicky, with a y 396 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.079 at Love Life Dot Org. We'd love to hear from you, but until 397 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:07.640 next time, God bless God, bless you all. Give me our life 398 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:21.119 for love. Give me our life for gratitude. I know it will cost 399 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:30.720 me my life. Nothing's too precious. Since I met you, M