How To Detect and Deal With Scams

WEBVTT100:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.640But there are things that you cando, that you can notice so that200:00:02.680 --> 00:00:05.519you can ask. I was thinking, how can I tell? Sometimes I've300:00:05.519 --> 00:00:08.599been fooled and I will tell youI've been fooled. So maybe I'm not400:00:08.640 --> 00:00:12.320the best person to suggest these things, but um, but there are some500:00:12.400 --> 00:00:19.320things that I think you can doto discern. I'm yours, I'm yours,600:00:19.760 --> 00:00:26.719I'm yours, and me Lord,I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm700:00:26.839 --> 00:00:31.359welcome to the Gospel centered pro lifepodcast, a podcast designed to equip,800:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.359encourage and challenge you in pro lifeministry, and always with a focus on900:00:36.399 --> 00:00:47.799the Gospel. Stay tuned. Ifelt your passh touch your heart. Use1000:00:48.000 --> 00:00:53.000Me. Welcome back to the Gospelcentered pro life podcast. 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We'd love tohear that from you guys, so2900:02:00.799 --> 00:02:05.920take advantage of that. And that'sGospel centered pro life dot Com. With3000:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.560that, we're gonna get right intothis episode. So what's our subject?3100:02:08.639 --> 00:02:15.080Vicky, how to detect and respondto scam MOMS. I hope that doesn't3200:02:15.120 --> 00:02:19.719sound disrespectful. We love the MOMBS. It sounds weird, but some of3300:02:19.759 --> 00:02:23.199them are fake moms. Okay,here's what we're talking about, guys.3400:02:23.879 --> 00:02:30.120Especially in this day and age inpost row America, as pro life organizations,3500:02:30.479 --> 00:02:32.360we get hit from every angle.Right we're getting these threats. We3600:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.800did an episode about saying safe onthe sidewalk because there's some threats out there.3700:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.800We also get pro abortion people thatpretend to be moms that have chosen3800:02:40.840 --> 00:02:44.759life. We even had one proabortion person we reach out on our social3900:02:44.759 --> 00:02:49.759media page saying that they're a formerpro abortion person and now they've got religious4000:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.639or something. I can't remember howthey worded it, but the way they4100:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.520worded it was obvious that they werenot serious. They were trying to I4200:02:55.560 --> 00:02:59.199don't know if they were trying toget information from US or they're trying to4300:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.879get I don't even know what theirmotive was. Who knows, but they4400:03:01.879 --> 00:03:07.360were obviously they had even as theirprofile photo, like a stock image.4500:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.319That's really how we were immediately cuedinto the fact that this was some pro4600:03:10.400 --> 00:03:16.039abort so there is some there's somescams. You had some scammer pro abortion4700:03:16.080 --> 00:03:20.280person reach out to you and saythat they were considering an abortion and you4800:03:20.319 --> 00:03:22.840went back and forth with them ontext for a while, for like a4900:03:22.879 --> 00:03:28.280week. Yeah, so so ithappens and I think, well, we'll5000:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.080talk about some of the principles,right. I knew you've you've done this5100:03:31.800 --> 00:03:36.680and uh, dealt with this acouple of times, or at least several5200:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.919times. I mean several times,probably more than I even know. Yeah,5300:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.159and even heard one of our missionariesout in California say that someone came5400:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.879across their radar, I think calledone of their numbers, maybe from the5500:03:46.919 --> 00:03:51.159back of the pamphlet or whatever,and said that they were wanting help,5600:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.639but it was obvious that they werea pro abortion person or there was somebody5700:03:53.680 --> 00:03:59.319that's wanted to do some either asksome questions, to get some information that5800:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.400they could use, a enst usor something like that. and Um,5900:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.159and this guy's discernment, he said, my discernment was telling me this person6000:04:04.240 --> 00:04:09.039is not legit. So he justignored it. So of course the Lord's6100:04:09.080 --> 00:04:12.639on our side. We can seekthe Lord. God can give us wisdom,6200:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.720God can help us circumnavigate these things, but there's also just some practical6300:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.800wisdom that we can give from you, gotta give to you, guys,6400:04:19.079 --> 00:04:21.680from some of our experiences. Sothat's what we want to do. Just6500:04:21.839 --> 00:04:26.600the first and foremost, just tohave you guys radar up. Not everyone6600:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.800is legit, not not everyone thatclaims to be a mom that needs help6700:04:30.839 --> 00:04:34.279because she's considering an abortion is actuallya mom that's considering an abortion. Sometimes6800:04:34.839 --> 00:04:39.199it's a pro abort sometimes it's someonetrying to infiltrate or something like that.6900:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.079So just be aware of that.And so I tried to approach this subject7000:04:43.120 --> 00:04:48.120from a very kind of logical,organized manner and thinking it through, because7100:04:48.319 --> 00:04:53.399the gut response, I think ofmost of us is if they're a scam,7200:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.639if they're not real, we justhang up on them whenever or we7300:04:56.720 --> 00:05:00.920ignore, we don't contact. I'mgoing to challenge that little bit. I7400:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.480don't think that should always be ourresponse and I'm going to try and present7500:05:03.560 --> 00:05:09.279the case why. Mostly why isbecause that's not what I do usually,7600:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.120but but that's not true. SometimesI do. And so I wanted to7700:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.240lay out when do you engage,when do you not, and why?7800:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.560And the first honestly, the firstquestion is why does it matter? Why7900:05:19.600 --> 00:05:26.600does it matter that this is someonewho is scamming or not, whether they're8000:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.360a fake mom or a real mom, because I will tell you the truth,8100:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.680if I'm going to engage whether Iknow, you know, I don't8200:05:33.680 --> 00:05:40.879know necessarily whether they're real or not. I'M gonna say the same stuff anyway.8300:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.800I'm not going to change who Iam or the truth of the Gospel8400:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.079or the truth of the humanity ofthe baby or the truth of the resources.8500:05:48.360 --> 00:05:56.000Those are truth and so my messagewill be remain the same. But8600:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.240there are things we definitely need tobe aware of and be cautious into that.8700:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.879Yeah, yeah, if we dowhat we do out of the truth8800:06:03.920 --> 00:06:09.000of God's Word and we do itconsistently with the convictions that we hold in8900:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.439our hearts, that we got nothingto worry about. You know, I9000:06:12.480 --> 00:06:16.680was actually aware of and concerned abouta couple of years ago some pro abortion9100:06:16.720 --> 00:06:23.079people kind of Um doing some investigationinto my life, into my family and9200:06:23.120 --> 00:06:27.240stuff like that. Even think maybethey hired a private investigator or something to9300:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.560follow me to find the information aboutme. Yeah, it's because of some9400:06:30.600 --> 00:06:32.920of the things that pro abortion peoplesaid. I'm like, how do they9500:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.560know that? You know, butI've been very plain about my past and9600:06:36.560 --> 00:06:40.519what the Lord saved me from,and I'm also I'm like, okay,9700:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.959yeah, please, like follow meand check up on me, like please9800:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.800do, and you'll see a manwho's consistent with what he says. You9900:06:46.800 --> 00:06:50.160can go and interview my kids andsometimes a jerk to my kids, but10000:06:50.160 --> 00:06:55.199I can tell you I'm consistent becauseI believe in Jesus. Jesus has changed10100:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.279my life. I don't have anythingto worry about right. I've got nothing10200:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.120to hide. So please follow me, please. You know, infiltrate,10300:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.879you can infiltrate my home, andwhat you're gonna find out is I love10400:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.120my wife, I love my kids, I love Jesus and I love you,10500:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.000and I'm gonna I'm gonna Preach TheGospel to you. Right. That's10600:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.639how it is for us, likewe've got nothing to hide. Even if10700:07:14.680 --> 00:07:18.399we get some pro abortion infiltrator onboard the mobile ultrasound unit, what are10800:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.399they gonna find? They're gonna findthat we actually do all for a lot,10900:07:21.480 --> 00:07:26.319that we do a lot of it. There's a real nurse, a11000:07:26.399 --> 00:07:30.480real ultrasound, and it's not evenan ultrasound of a chipmunk fetus like some11100:07:30.560 --> 00:07:35.199have claim it's a real baby.We're consistent, if listen, if we're11200:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.480consistent and we do what we saywe're gonna do, if we're consistent with11300:07:40.519 --> 00:07:44.319the word of God, then wegot nothing to hide and we got nothing11400:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.480to worry about. That's correct.However, given that, and and so11500:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.319live a life of integrity. Beodthe Lord that that is critical for anyone11600:07:51.399 --> 00:07:57.399in any Christian but I think evenmore so when you're in the ministry that11700:07:57.560 --> 00:08:01.680is such a fierce spiritual battle.There's a skeleton in your closet that you're11800:08:01.800 --> 00:08:07.720hiding because you're still living it.That's not good. That's going to be11900:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.360uncovered and that's that endangers you.It endangers the ministry. But it does12000:08:11.560 --> 00:08:16.040matter, even though I'm going tospeak to them in the same way.12100:08:16.600 --> 00:08:24.439I would suggest you. It doesmatter for you to learn how to differentiate12200:08:24.560 --> 00:08:31.439or discern a scammer versus a realmom, because in one case a baby's12300:08:31.480 --> 00:08:37.440life is on the line and inthe other case it's not, and so12400:08:37.960 --> 00:08:43.279there is definitely a different sense ofurgency in in those two cases, and12500:08:43.320 --> 00:08:48.200I'm you know, it's going tochange. Whether I talked to them during12600:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.679my dinner hour or whether I waitand talk to them the next morning,12700:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.840for example. Yeah, of course, realizing too that many of the people12800:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.679that listening to this podcast or volunteersand they don't have more than just a12900:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.120couple of hours a week to volunteerin this capacity. Their high school moms13000:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.440or they're working a full time jobor whatever. So you have to determine13100:09:09.600 --> 00:09:11.919if someone reaches out to you,let's say, I mean the scenario that13200:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.159we're speaking from is you've got yournumber, maybe a google voice number.13300:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.039That's what we encourage you guys todo. Put of a google voice number13400:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.279on the back of the brochures thatyou hand out of the abortion center.13500:09:20.320 --> 00:09:22.240So maybe you've done that and you'vegotten a text message. You're a phone13600:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.879call from someone and it could bea pro abortion person, it could be13700:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.840a mom that's considering an abortion.Right, you've got to determine if you13800:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.080think if you if there's a highlikelihood that this is a pro abortion person,13900:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.559you can kind of pick up onsome of the language that they use14000:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.200and and things like that. Um, then you've got to determine is it14100:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.840worth it for me to kind ofbear with this conversation so that ultimately,14200:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.639I can show them that we're consistentand I can share the gospel with them.14300:09:46.919 --> 00:09:50.399Or should I just ignore it?Right, because there's sometimes that you14400:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.559should, and maybe it's just seekingthe Lord and asking the Lord for Wisdom.14500:09:54.559 --> 00:09:56.919But at the end of the day, if it takes you off of14600:09:56.919 --> 00:10:01.320the sidewalk, then you can't doit. You can't do it if it's14700:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.919a pro abortion person. Don't goback and forth of them. Don't waste14800:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.519your time. Just consider it givingpearls to swine. Jesus, that's a14900:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.879really, really important and good point. So, Um. So, anyway,15000:10:11.919 --> 00:10:16.559I think we've we've lad the casethat you should try to discern if15100:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.360who you're speaking with is authentic ornot. Um, your radar will go15200:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.879up. I think if you're spirituallydiscerning at all, you will kind of15300:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.360feel that intuition, that radar thathas been uh, kind of be being15400:10:28.399 --> 00:10:33.919that something's off here, like yousaid, Um and, but there are15500:10:33.919 --> 00:10:35.679things that you can do, thatyou can notice or that you can ask.15600:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.200I was thinking, how can Itell sometimes I've been fooled. I15700:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.840will tell you I've been fooled.So maybe I'm not the best person to15800:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.919suggest these things. But Um.But there are some things that I think15900:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.639you can do to discern Um andsome of the questions. For example,16000:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.200one of the first things I willask how did this mom find out about16100:10:54.279 --> 00:10:58.519us? Because if they kind ofHem and Han they can't quite tell us16200:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.519how, then they probably found outabout us while they were on the sidebox,16300:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.840standing across the, you know,the parking lot from us and they're16400:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.000a pro abortion person. So howdid they find out about you? So16500:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.919if they text you, you canask the question. Okay, great,16600:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.759good to hear from you. Howdid you find out about us? Right,16700:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.480and I always asked that. Ido always ask that and I can16800:11:16.559 --> 00:11:22.159usually gauge from their response. Sometimesthat's the initial giveaway immediately, not always.16900:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.799So what are some of the answersthat you've got? Um, well,17000:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.320uh, sometimes they have in hotI don't know, a friend of17100:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.279a friend, I think. Andthen you're already suspicious. I asked someone17200:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.600today that I thought could be ascammer. So how did you find out17300:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.600about us? And she said on, on the Internet, but then and17400:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.360then I pursued it. Oh,well, like what? And that's the17500:11:43.440 --> 00:11:48.240thing. Don't just accept the firstanswer. Keep digging digging in and she17600:11:48.320 --> 00:11:54.639said on on your website, andI said what website, and she said17700:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.840the love life website and then actuallyshe said the love life facebook. So17800:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.759Um, there is enough detail atthat point that I don't think she was17900:12:03.799 --> 00:12:09.519a Scammera but like there were otherthings that you know. So Um.18000:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.080So, yeah, listen to whatthey say about about how they found out.18100:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.840Um, how did she how didthey get your phone number? Because18200:12:16.840 --> 00:12:22.279my phone number is not on theUm, on the facebook or on the18300:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.399website. But if someone has gottenmy phone number, Um, and I18400:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.240do use the Google phone number,and then I always ask how did you18500:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.320get my phone number? Now,if they say it was on the literature18600:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.519that you give out, I'm gonnahave to talk to her as though she's18700:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.320a real mom, because that couldbe legitimate. However, the pro abortion18800:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.519crowd also has that phone number.So I'm gonna air on the side of18900:12:48.519 --> 00:12:54.080it being a real mom. Yeah, response is I got it on the19000:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.639internet or I got it. That'sgoing to be immediately suspect because it's posted19100:12:58.679 --> 00:13:00.919there. Correct. It is not. It is not. They would not19200:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.799have gotten it there. So Um, then my next question is usually why19300:13:03.799 --> 00:13:09.080are you contacting me, what's goingon and make it open ended. What's19400:13:09.120 --> 00:13:15.519going on is often what I'll say, and you can tell sometimes from their19500:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.159response that it's made up and orthey'll if it's a pro abortion person,19600:13:20.960 --> 00:13:30.000sometimes what I'll hear is like everysingle objection to pro life. Yeah,19700:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.279yeah, I just want to layit out right there, make you feel19800:13:31.279 --> 00:13:37.799bad about even standing for life becausetheir situation. I've been raped by my19900:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.679by my brother. Yeah, Um, and it's in a topic pregnancy.20000:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.399You know, it'll be kind ofso off the wall. You know,20100:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.159every you can kind of tell that, okay, this is obviously not a20200:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.519mom that's really in need. Butthe good ones, and there are good20300:13:54.519 --> 00:14:01.840ones, effective scammers and they willgive usually a very legit amant um reason20400:14:01.320 --> 00:14:07.759why they're contacting you. is shewilling to speak by phone or only text?20500:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.200Okay, now, the ones thatspeak only by text are definitely more20600:14:11.279 --> 00:14:15.879suspect, but on the other hand, in this day and age that's usually20700:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.360the preferred method of contact. Butif they absolutely refuse to talk with you20800:14:20.399 --> 00:14:26.679on the phone, that to meis a red flags flag. So,20900:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.919Um, what is her story andwhy is she seeking help? That's kind21000:14:28.919 --> 00:14:33.799of what I said, why isshe contacting you? But really delve into21100:14:33.200 --> 00:14:41.159into that, ask a lot ofquestions is key in discerning it. Does21200:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.799their stories stay consistent? Yeah,and that's a way really to determine whether21300:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.480or not they're a scammer. Likeif a woman is contacting you because she21400:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.360has a difficult situation, a daylater she's not going to forget the details21500:14:52.360 --> 00:14:56.399of that situation. So if youask questions that are based on that previous21600:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.159scenario that she had given you andit's different the next day or something,21700:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.720it's it's pretty evident this person isa scammer and I don't know about you,21800:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.200but personally I think it's good justto plainly ask if you if you21900:15:11.279 --> 00:15:16.200detect that they're trying to scam you. They're trying to again, what's the22000:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.519scam? They're not trying to maybethey're trying to get money from us.22100:15:18.559 --> 00:15:20.759I don't know if that's the caseor not, but most of the time22200:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.320been up to up to this pointin my experience, that has not been22300:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.120the motivation. Most of the timethey're just trying to waste your time.22400:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.919They're trying to whatever. They're tryingto get information and all that stuff,22500:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.399but I don't think it's bad justto ask. Hey, you could word22600:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.320it like this. There's some proabortion people that try to get information from22700:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.080us. Are you one of thosepeople? Can you just be honest with22800:15:41.120 --> 00:15:46.960me? Yeah, yeah, andwe'll go from there. Yeah, I22900:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.240think sometimes the answer could tell youwhether or not they actually are. I23000:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.879mean, if it's a pro abortionperson, they're probably not going to say23100:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.399no, I'm actually a pro abortionperson, not a not a woman in23200:15:54.440 --> 00:16:00.480need of help. Um, butI think just plainly asking and the answer23300:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.519that you get, if it isa mom in need, she it could23400:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.559be a telling answer. Actually.Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so the23500:16:07.600 --> 00:16:12.159direct approach is always an option andand sometimes that is that if they're lewd23600:16:12.240 --> 00:16:17.799in any way, Um, whichdoes happen sometimes, then I'll I'll alright23700:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.519say scammer and hang up on themif they you know, because I know23800:16:21.600 --> 00:16:23.559that's not how a mom in needis going to be cheating me. And23900:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.679so there's a certain level of humilitythat a woman that reaches out to a24000:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.039stranger for help is going to have. Yeah, and if they lack that24100:16:32.200 --> 00:16:34.120humility and they're just being, likeyou said, lude and crude and just24200:16:34.200 --> 00:16:38.200throwing out rather than asking for help. All they're doing is throwing out accusations.24300:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.960Then, yeah, just don't wasteyour I do say I'm praying for24400:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.639you before I hang up, usuallynot that that makes much difference, but24500:16:45.679 --> 00:16:49.240I do. Um, here's here'sa tip off. Does she seem to24600:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.840be speaking the talking points of thepro abortion industry? So you start hearing24700:16:53.960 --> 00:16:59.000language, not and I don't meanbad language, but these sorts of things24800:16:59.039 --> 00:17:04.039that the Um pro abortion people sayas accusations against pro life people. That's24900:17:04.039 --> 00:17:10.519not a mom's not the language thatkind of stuff. That would be a25000:17:10.519 --> 00:17:14.599tip off. Exactly. You hearthose sorts of things? Yeah, because25100:17:14.640 --> 00:17:21.240against atomy, exactly, my body, my choice, or those kinds of25200:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.559things. Those are not what Ihear from the MOMS. I do not25300:17:23.680 --> 00:17:27.160hear those, and especially from mymom who's reaching out for help. Those25400:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.720are not the sorts of things Ihear. Um. The last one I25500:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.079already mentioned Um, and there's others, but these are the ones right off25600:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.079the top of my head. Maybeyou'll live some more, but really be25700:17:37.160 --> 00:17:42.200careful about looking for inconsistencies and dothe facts change when they're questioned further?25800:17:42.319 --> 00:17:45.839Because those that's a that's a tipoff that, if they're not a scam,25900:17:45.880 --> 00:17:52.160they're lying, they're hiding. Somethingthat happened today as as we counseled26000:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.200someone. So Um, we knewshe was lying because the story just kept26100:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.200changing. and Um, I nevercall them a liar, or I really26200:18:00.279 --> 00:18:04.200do, but I do keep askingquestions and then I will deal with as26300:18:04.240 --> 00:18:10.480I did today, with the issueof lying as a sin against God and26400:18:10.599 --> 00:18:14.799an example that shows to me theseare people who are not fully committed,26500:18:14.839 --> 00:18:18.440they have not committed their life tothe Lord. Yeah, yeah, now,26600:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.519of course, realizing that the momsthat we minister to, who are26700:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.880legitimately in need of help, areprone to lying, they are changing the26800:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.160story, there's maybe some embarrassment orwhatever there might be, or they won't26900:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.000tell you exactly what's going on,and so you have to dig a little27000:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.799deeper. But that is at leasta yellow flag, if not a red27100:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.599flag. Exactly exactly. So,if you are convinced now you've you've maybe27200:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.519asked all these things and you've figuredout, okay, they this is a27300:18:45.559 --> 00:18:51.279scam. Um, we don't needto talk about about what to do if27400:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.880it's a mom in need. We'vealready dealt with that on many, many27500:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.720podcasts. Um. But if itis a scammer, I guess you know27600:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.559they're really are two choices. Youhang up on them and you don't waste27700:19:02.559 --> 00:19:04.559your time, or you decide toengage. And so I want to talk27800:19:04.599 --> 00:19:12.839a little bit about Um, something's precautions. Don't do if you have27900:19:12.920 --> 00:19:18.160figured out there a scammer, UM, text or call from a google voice28000:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.400phone. Member, don't use yourown cell phone. I just found out28100:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.720from a safety expert that talked withus that any cell phone number can be28200:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.759traced to your home and so,knowing that, yeah, I'd be very28300:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.319cautious about especially if you've just figuredout you're talking to someone who's a scammer.28400:19:34.880 --> 00:19:40.000Hopefully you're talking to her already ona google voice phone or text.28500:19:40.480 --> 00:19:44.240Um, don't give out personal informationat all. You don't want them to28600:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.519trace where you live or who youare. If you offer to meet,28700:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.160which some some of our counselors dowant to meet with the women that they're28800:19:51.160 --> 00:19:55.160counseling, and that's great, butmake sure it is a very public place28900:19:55.599 --> 00:19:59.599where you know there's gonna be plentyof other people around. Um, don't29000:19:59.640 --> 00:20:06.079give d tales on the ministry oryourself. Uh, be careful with accusations.29100:20:06.119 --> 00:20:07.680Like I don't accuse them of scammingor lying. For one thing,29200:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.559it is possible I could be wrong. That has happened where I've accused them29300:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.160of being a scammer and they werenot, and then I've lost, you29400:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.200know, an element of trust thatI've worked hard to gain. So be29500:20:18.319 --> 00:20:25.599careful. But then here's why Iwould engage with them. If you accuse29600:20:25.680 --> 00:20:32.599them falsely or even rightly, youmay lose the opportunity that maybe God has29700:20:32.680 --> 00:20:37.000given you to save a soul.Of course we don't save the soul,29800:20:37.079 --> 00:20:40.920he does, but that he hasgiven you the opportunity to be used by29900:20:41.039 --> 00:20:45.799him to speak. Yeah, yeah, and then again, like I talked30000:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.319about earlier, if we're actually consistentand we do what we say we're going30100:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.480to do and all the false notionsthat they have about us, that we're30200:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.119lying, that we force people tobecome Christians before we'll help them, those30300:20:56.200 --> 00:20:59.799kind of things that they put outthere, they're gonna actually find those things30400:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.640are true. You might actually winthem over, maybe not to the Lord,30500:21:03.000 --> 00:21:07.240but at least win them over thatwe're genuine people and that what we're30600:21:07.279 --> 00:21:10.880doing is a legitimate ministry, thatwe actually are helping people. Yeah,30700:21:10.920 --> 00:21:15.559and so when I'm in a textconversation, which is great because I've got30800:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.440the evidence of what I said andI can look back and think, is30900:21:18.480 --> 00:21:23.720there anything I've said that is,Um, questionable and I'll correct it in31000:21:23.759 --> 00:21:30.720the future. But Um, Ido find these to be really rich opportunities31100:21:32.079 --> 00:21:37.119to speak of the Lord and tospeak of why they should value innocent human31200:21:37.160 --> 00:21:42.160life in the womb. So,Um, I use the same three talking31300:21:42.279 --> 00:21:48.319points when I know that it's ascammer as when I know it's a mom.31400:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.480But of course I would probably reducethe emphasis on resources because they don't31500:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.319really need them. It's good tomention them because if it is a Scammera,31600:21:56.359 --> 00:21:59.920then they realize we do what wesay we're going to do and we31700:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.559too and we are going to offerthese resources. But if I'm talking in31800:22:03.599 --> 00:22:07.279our three talking points, God,humanity, the baby and resources, if31900:22:07.319 --> 00:22:14.039I'm sharing the Gospel and the humanityof the baby, hopefully something is gonna,32000:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.480you know, enter their soul andand maybe and maybe change your heart.32100:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.680Um. But something I discovered,because other people tell me, is32200:22:23.279 --> 00:22:30.119especially if you're texting with them.screenshots of those texts could end up in32300:22:30.359 --> 00:22:36.039hostile territory on social media. Sois that a good thing? Might be.32400:22:36.440 --> 00:22:38.200I think it could be. Aslong as we're consistent with the scripture.32500:22:38.359 --> 00:22:42.920The word of God be being broadcastsright, right. So, but32600:22:44.279 --> 00:22:51.440know that that could happen because bevery careful, read your text carefully before32700:22:51.480 --> 00:22:55.799you hit send when you're interacting withthem. I don't know about your Serie,32800:22:56.000 --> 00:23:00.880but my serie has a potty mouth. You would not. Yeah,32900:23:00.400 --> 00:23:06.000and so I'll send text sometimes andthen look back at it and I'm horribied33000:23:06.599 --> 00:23:10.799what I have just sent. Sodo be careful, read over the text33100:23:10.839 --> 00:23:12.680to make sure that they reflect.If you're part of love life, they33200:23:12.720 --> 00:23:19.519better reflect what what we find tobe true and good. Um. But33300:23:19.640 --> 00:23:25.000be careful that you're above reproach,because they could be they could be made33400:23:25.160 --> 00:23:29.960Um public and you certainly don't wantto discredit your testimony as as a Christ33500:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.880follower or you know, in anyway discredit God. Um. Oh,33600:23:34.039 --> 00:23:38.480and I think that, no matterwhat, you should be respectful and kind33700:23:40.240 --> 00:23:44.960because because you really might change herheart. Now, when the one that33800:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.839I interacted with recently it was fora full week and it was a big33900:23:48.880 --> 00:23:56.279time investment and I wasn't completely certain. I thought she might be a scammer,34000:23:56.079 --> 00:24:02.960but I wasn't certain. So Idid continue for about a week and34100:24:03.279 --> 00:24:08.400in the end Um she sent aphotograph of a an aborted fetus, saying34200:24:08.480 --> 00:24:11.839I just took the pill and Ijust took it. She took it like34300:24:11.880 --> 00:24:17.680an hour before this picture. Andthere's there's this picture she sent me.34400:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.680Clearly off the Internet. I'd seenthe picture of an aborted baby, all34500:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.559cleaned up and everything, lying onan ice clean tablecloth. A real mom34600:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.079who has first of all, ifyou've just taken the pill, that baby's34700:24:30.079 --> 00:24:36.599not gonna be aborted for several hoursminimum and probably not till the next day34800:24:36.680 --> 00:24:41.279or further Um. And next you'renot going to clean that baby up and34900:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.119you know, so the baby there'sno blood or anything. It's just perfectly35000:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.720clean little baby on a nice cleantablecloth. So I knew it was a35100:24:48.759 --> 00:24:56.039scam at that moment, but Ichose to continue ministering to her the way35200:24:56.079 --> 00:25:00.480I would minister to a post abordof women and Sharing The Gospel and and35300:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.720actually trying to build a relationship andshe's still talking to me now. After35400:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.720she hears this, maybe she won't, because I've never said I know you're35500:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.960fake. I've never said that.Picture is that the best you could do?35600:25:12.039 --> 00:25:15.240I've never said that, but Ifeel like God has put her in35700:25:15.279 --> 00:25:21.200my path. The latest question sheasked. She said that we were talking35800:25:21.200 --> 00:25:25.359about believing in God and right beforeI went to bed, she said,35900:25:26.359 --> 00:25:27.519she said, I used to believein God. I said, well,36000:25:27.559 --> 00:25:33.759what changed? And she said,Um, because I could not prove his36100:25:33.839 --> 00:25:40.039existence to my children. And therewas something about that that touched my heart36200:25:40.119 --> 00:25:45.960because I'd been there. I knewexactly where she was on that spiritual journey.36300:25:45.160 --> 00:25:51.720It might be fake, but Idid address that Um and in fact,36400:25:51.799 --> 00:25:53.440what I said I said, I'mabout to go to bed, but36500:25:53.480 --> 00:25:56.079I just want to put this outthere. My brother is a scientist and36600:25:56.119 --> 00:26:03.359he told me that gravity cannot beeven, but only the effects of gravity.36700:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.440And she said, well then that'sproof, and I said, and36800:26:06.480 --> 00:26:10.759that's how I proved God and leftit and I and I thought that.36900:26:10.880 --> 00:26:15.319Let her stew in that thought fora little while and who knows where to?37000:26:15.559 --> 00:26:22.400He knows what if the Lord inhis awesome wisdom has ordained this conversation37100:26:25.079 --> 00:26:30.440to bring that young lady to theLord. It could be. We don't37200:26:30.440 --> 00:26:34.519know what it is, but youknow it could be and and so I'm37300:26:34.519 --> 00:26:40.039always waying that when I'm engaging inthese in these conversations, and I think37400:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.799you know, some of you wouldnot have the time to do it.37500:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.640There are times I really feel likeI really don't have the time to do37600:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.759this, but at this point I'mkind of feeling like it is from God,37700:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.359that God is saying continues. Sountil I get a clear direction,37800:26:53.440 --> 00:26:59.160okay, it's time to end thisdiscussion. I'll probably keep keep talking with37900:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.000her. Yeah. Well, guys, be in prayer for that young lady38000:27:03.119 --> 00:27:07.839or man or whoever it is thatVicky's engaging with, and also just stay38100:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.039in prayer. God can give you, guys, wisdom. When you get38200:27:10.039 --> 00:27:15.599people that come across your radar,they text you or they may be a38300:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.079message you on social media or whatever, and they could be scammers or whatever.38400:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.839God will give you wisdom. Godcan reveal that and as long as38500:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.400you're consistent, you've got nothing toworry about. Right, as long as38600:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.279you do what God's word says weshould be doing. You've got nothing to38700:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.799worry about. God will use itfor his glory. God's words going forth.38800:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.400God's word doesn't return void. Sowhether you're talking to a pro aboard38900:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.799that's pretending to be a mom that'spregnant need in need of help, or39000:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.200you're talking to a mom who's indeedpregnant and in need of help, either39100:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.319way, God's Word isn't gonna ReturnVoid, and so we are praying for39200:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.720you, guys, and UH.I hope this podcast episode was a blessing.39300:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.359You, guys, please share thiswith your friends family members that would39400:27:52.359 --> 00:27:53.720be blessed by it. Please reachout to us. You can reach me39500:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.240Daniel at Love Life Dot Org.You reach her Vicky, with a y39600:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.079at Love Life Dot Org. We'dlove to hear from you, but until39700:28:00.079 --> 00:28:07.640next time, God bless God,bless you all. Give me our life39800:28:07.759 --> 00:28:21.119for love. Give me our lifefor gratitude. I know it will cost39900:28:21.240 --> 00:28:30.720me my life. Nothing's too precious. Since I met you, M