How I Became Pro-Life - Daniel's Testimony

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.310Lord, I am you're welcome tothe Gospel Center pro life podcast,300:00:10.429 --> 00:00:13.390the podcast where we talk about prolife issues in light of the Gospel.400:00:13.789 --> 00:00:16.789In this episode I'm going to sharemy testimony and how I got involved in500:00:16.870 --> 00:00:20.309the pro life movement. Hope you'reblessed. Is You listen, stay tuned.600:00:23.699 --> 00:00:33.899I felt show passish touch your heart. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro700:00:34.020 --> 00:00:37.890life podcast and video. Appreciate allthat you who are watching and who are800:00:37.929 --> 00:00:44.929listening. The purpose of this podcastis to encourage you and to just help900:00:45.049 --> 00:00:49.250those who are maybe getting new andnewly involved in the pro life movement and1000:00:49.649 --> 00:00:53.439those who are maybe long time inthe pro life movement, to help you1100:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.479talk about pro life issues and thinkabout pro life issues in light of the1200:00:58.560 --> 00:01:03.829Gospel, to emphasize the point thatpro life and the issue of abortion is1300:01:04.030 --> 00:01:08.230not a political issue, is agospel issue, and so that's that's our1400:01:08.310 --> 00:01:12.750heart, that's our desire for youunderstand that and we've wanted to share in1500:01:12.829 --> 00:01:18.349the past. The previous podcast wetalked to Vicky and she just shared some1600:01:18.430 --> 00:01:22.420of her testimony how she came frombeing pro choice to being pro life and1700:01:22.620 --> 00:01:26.060becoming a Christian and just wanted youguys to see our hearts, where we1800:01:26.140 --> 00:01:30.260come from. And No, youknow, we're just just like many of1900:01:30.299 --> 00:01:33.209you. The Lord has done awork in our hearts to bring us to2000:01:33.329 --> 00:01:37.769some of the conclusions and the callingsthat he's put in our lives. And2100:01:38.489 --> 00:01:42.129this podcast we're going to share,I'm going to share my testimony and Vicki's2200:01:42.170 --> 00:01:48.040going to ask me some probing questionshopefully spur some thought and some conversation and2300:01:48.400 --> 00:01:51.680spur you guys to seek the Lordand where he would have you to be2400:01:51.760 --> 00:01:53.840involved in the pro life movement.So with that, Vicky, you just2500:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.879fire away. Well, first ofall, who are you? Okay,2600:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.030what do you do right now inthe pro life movement? So currently I2700:02:01.150 --> 00:02:05.909am the executive director of cities forlife here in Charlotte, North Carolina,2800:02:05.950 --> 00:02:10.349and we know we're locally. We'residewalk counselors here with a heart to reach2900:02:10.629 --> 00:02:15.349the abortion minded women that are goinginto the abortion centers and offer them help3000:02:15.430 --> 00:02:19.099and hope in the name of Jesus, and so that's my current role here.3100:02:19.379 --> 00:02:22.979God has called me to ministry inthis capacity full time and my family,3200:02:23.580 --> 00:02:25.819my wife being a nurse, shedoes ultrasounds on board of Mobiultra Sugn3300:02:25.819 --> 00:02:30.409Unit with a partner ministry help pregnancycenter, and she works in a couple3400:02:30.409 --> 00:02:34.969of pregnancy centers and as a familywe serve together on the sidewalks on Saturdays3500:02:35.250 --> 00:02:39.169and in our kids are out there, you know, holding signs and we're3600:02:39.210 --> 00:02:44.169all trying to reach the moms together. So volunteering on the sidewalks, but3700:02:44.639 --> 00:02:46.879executive director of cities for life also. Yeah, okay, so you looks3800:02:46.879 --> 00:02:51.639like, you know, one ofthese pro life heroes and sun who's really3900:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.120kind of an important figure in inthe pro life movement, and I'm wondering4000:02:57.360 --> 00:03:01.750you must have been pro life yourwhole life, right and and and been4100:03:01.830 --> 00:03:07.229a strong proponent of of life.Is that true? Is that where you4200:03:07.349 --> 00:03:14.180started off? Well, not really, sort of, I guess. Early4300:03:14.379 --> 00:03:22.099in my life my parents were werebelievers and I remember some of my member4400:03:22.219 --> 00:03:27.449some conversations that my parents had aboutpro life things and it really had to4500:03:27.530 --> 00:03:32.009do with politics. Really they wereRepublicans and they believed that you should vote4600:03:32.050 --> 00:03:36.449for Republicans, and so there weresome talk about that. was that because4700:03:36.449 --> 00:03:39.009of the pro life stance of Republicansor no, no, it was you4800:03:39.210 --> 00:03:44.560probably just in general, you know, far in that line of thought.4900:03:44.560 --> 00:03:47.599It had a couple of factors.Had to do with being repubably. Wouldn't5000:03:47.599 --> 00:03:51.840just pro life, but pro life, and being pro life was was part5100:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.159of that, but not really,you know, a major infasis, I5200:03:54.319 --> 00:03:58.909guess. And you know, asyour kid and your parents have certain convictions,5300:03:59.710 --> 00:04:01.310you pretty much just by default,I guess, jump on board with5400:04:01.349 --> 00:04:05.469those convictions. And so their convictionswere were prolife, you know, generally5500:04:05.710 --> 00:04:11.259and maybe nominally in some ways.Mainly politically, though, I think.5600:04:12.900 --> 00:04:16.220But as I grew and came intomy own, I guess you could you5700:04:16.259 --> 00:04:24.060could say and and really never rejectedGod as far as like. I never5800:04:24.259 --> 00:04:27.129was an atheist. There's never atime where I didn't believe in God,5900:04:27.370 --> 00:04:31.250but I really didn't walk with Godon in my high school years and you6000:04:31.329 --> 00:04:33.930know, I began to embrace justthe idea that, you know, it's6100:04:33.970 --> 00:04:36.730a woman's right to choose to dowhat she wants to do with your body6200:04:36.850 --> 00:04:41.240and you people are basically good.So people are going to do the right6300:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.920thing, even if it maybe issomething that others might not think is the6400:04:45.920 --> 00:04:47.439right thing, and so I justkind of, I guess, kind of6500:04:47.920 --> 00:04:51.910to that default position of well,you know, pro choice, I guess,6600:04:51.910 --> 00:04:56.310because it's not my body. AsI came into, you know,6700:04:56.709 --> 00:04:59.189early adulthood, I guess you couldsay, yeah, yeah, and did6800:04:59.269 --> 00:05:02.589your did your parents ever have discussionsabout, you know, but if you6900:05:02.629 --> 00:05:08.620ever get a girl pregnant, don'tever consider abortion or HMM, did?7000:05:08.819 --> 00:05:11.779Did you ever have any search ofthose discussions with friends or anyone? I7100:05:12.939 --> 00:05:15.019don't know that I did. Tobe honest with you, I don't.7200:05:15.060 --> 00:05:17.620I don't recall having those kind ofdiscussions. I'd certainly don't recall having those7300:05:17.620 --> 00:05:24.970discussions with my parents. I thinkI knew, just because of their convictions7400:05:25.370 --> 00:05:30.970and maybe just by, you know, the the truth of God in me,7500:05:31.009 --> 00:05:33.610even though I was not walking withthe Lord. The Bible says the7600:05:33.649 --> 00:05:36.360Law of God has written on ourhearts. I think I knew that abortion7700:05:36.480 --> 00:05:43.920was wrong and I think that Iwould know what their stance would be if7800:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.560that happened. As a matter offact, we'll probably talk about that a7900:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.000little bit. That actually did happenas part of my testimony. Yeah,8000:05:49.350 --> 00:05:54.269yeah, so, yeah, sonow you were raised roview aid was already8100:05:54.829 --> 00:05:58.550that had already been decided. Yeah, I'm very I'm very young. So8200:05:59.149 --> 00:06:04.259tell so. So you were raised, I mean your entire life abortion was8300:06:04.339 --> 00:06:09.699legal. And did did you everwas serve her part a point in your8400:06:09.740 --> 00:06:13.860young life, before we get to, you know, maybe your later teenage8500:06:13.899 --> 00:06:18.529years, where where you thought thisisn't what should be as far as the8600:06:18.889 --> 00:06:24.930abortion? Yeah, said here's thelaw of our you're raised in a Christian8700:06:24.970 --> 00:06:29.730home and the law of the countryis that it is legal to take the8800:06:29.810 --> 00:06:32.319life of a little human being.Did that cause any angst or any you8900:06:32.439 --> 00:06:36.480know, crisis of faith or anythingthat you know? You know, I9000:06:36.519 --> 00:06:43.439don't know that I really thought aboutthe issue of abortion a whole lot when9100:06:43.480 --> 00:06:46.589I was younger, although now Ido remember at one point, if I'm9200:06:46.629 --> 00:06:51.670not mistaken, as I remember back, my mom was involved in some sort9300:06:51.709 --> 00:06:57.949of political action thing to do withwith pro life stuff. At one time9400:06:58.110 --> 00:07:01.300she was involved with Pat Robertson,if you know who he is, but9500:07:01.459 --> 00:07:06.180he he very I think early inthe early S, early mid s own9600:07:06.220 --> 00:07:10.019into the S, was a youknow. I think he ran for president9700:07:10.060 --> 00:07:15.699at some point and he had astrong pro life stance. And so I9800:07:15.769 --> 00:07:18.569think she was in with some ofthat that maybe even then with his campaign,9900:07:18.569 --> 00:07:20.850but I don't know that I thoughtit through. The short is like10000:07:20.930 --> 00:07:25.569a in my mind, there's sortof a macro view of abortion, sort10100:07:25.610 --> 00:07:30.040of a national view in this nationalconversation, I guess, and it's more10200:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.399political, and then the sort ofthe micro view of abortion, like how10300:07:32.439 --> 00:07:38.639it happens individually and how it affectsindividual lives. And I think maybe my10400:07:38.800 --> 00:07:42.879view, if any, was moreof the macro rather than the micro view10500:07:43.240 --> 00:07:45.910in my young years and on into, you know, early teens, I10600:07:45.949 --> 00:07:48.149guess. Yeah, so you getinto your change and you alluded to so10700:07:49.029 --> 00:07:54.949you you had a girlfriend, hmm, Courtney, at the time and and10800:07:55.149 --> 00:07:58.699things didn't go quite as you hoped, yeah, with that relationship. So10900:07:58.819 --> 00:08:01.420can you talk about what would happenedthere? And Yeah, so, so11000:08:01.620 --> 00:08:09.579we were high school sweethearts and wereintroduced to each other by a friend and11100:08:11.339 --> 00:08:15.129we kind of right away just Idon't know if we fell in love,11200:08:15.250 --> 00:08:18.290whatever you want to call it,but I mean I'd say I did at11300:08:18.329 --> 00:08:22.930least them. I hope she did. But anyway, and of course we11400:08:22.089 --> 00:08:24.769know, you know what's right andwhat's wrong. Even though I wasn't a11500:08:24.850 --> 00:08:28.959believer, I had been in churchsome and my parents kind of fell away11600:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.840from going to church in my youknow, I guess tween years or whatever,11700:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.399maybe a little before that. Andso as a as an early adolescent11800:08:37.600 --> 00:08:43.190and on into teenage years, believedin God. Wasn't really exposed to a11900:08:43.230 --> 00:08:45.669whole lot of church, so tospeak, but I knew what was right12000:08:45.669 --> 00:08:48.669and what was wrong, and sowe began, you know, in the12100:08:48.710 --> 00:08:50.990early part of our relationship, webegan to do it we knew was the12200:08:50.990 --> 00:08:54.509wrong. I have sex outside ofmarriage. That temptation was was there,12300:08:54.980 --> 00:08:58.419like it is with with so manyyoung people, for sure, and I12400:08:58.500 --> 00:09:01.700don't think there was a whole lotto discourage us from falling into that temptation,12500:09:01.860 --> 00:09:05.220though. Her parents, you wonderfulpeople, Godly people, went to12600:09:05.340 --> 00:09:11.049church, heard her convictions were inline with their convictions, and so I12700:09:11.129 --> 00:09:16.529come along and pull her out ofthose convictions and we begin to do the12800:09:16.610 --> 00:09:24.169things that we knew were wrong.And so in that season of our lives,12900:09:24.679 --> 00:09:30.320really she walked away from the Lordand I had really never given my13000:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.399life to the Lord. And andthen we find out, you know,13100:09:33.000 --> 00:09:39.710seventeen years old. She's sixteen yearsold, she's pregnant and I remember,13200:09:39.149 --> 00:09:45.350I'm remember the day that that was, that was revealed. She kept it13300:09:45.429 --> 00:09:48.909hidden and, as a matter offact, you know, share with you13400:09:48.309 --> 00:09:52.059a little bit yesterday as we talkedthrough kind of my story, that I13500:09:52.259 --> 00:09:56.899think she kept it hid, hiddenfrom me, for it was one of13600:09:56.940 --> 00:10:00.539the reasons because at that time Iwas a selfish little punk, yeah,13700:10:00.700 --> 00:10:05.019living for myself and didn't have awhole lot of concerning I loved her whatever,13800:10:05.139 --> 00:10:09.289but had no real desire to bea dad or to start a family.13900:10:09.490 --> 00:10:13.649And at Seventeen, who does?But but really just party in and14000:10:13.769 --> 00:10:16.370do all that stuff. And Iwould have certainly, in my sin and14100:10:16.409 --> 00:10:20.730in my rebellion against God and thementality that embrace that time, it was14200:10:20.730 --> 00:10:22.279all about me, I would havetaken her to have an abortion. Yeah,14300:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.799and you know, she possibly couldhave circumbed to the pressure. We14400:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.039see it on a daily basis almostat the abortion centers here in Charlotte,14500:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.629where we see these young men whowere scared like I was. You know,14600:10:35.629 --> 00:10:39.830I was scared, I was selfishto yeah, it was more about14700:10:39.309 --> 00:10:43.110I was afraid of what was goingto happen to me and it was what14800:10:43.230 --> 00:10:46.549was going to happen to her oranything like that. And and fear,14900:10:46.669 --> 00:10:50.700oftentimes we'll drive us to do thingsyou would otherwise do. So I could,15000:10:50.820 --> 00:10:56.100I could see me taking her hereto latrobe maybe at that time,15100:10:56.580 --> 00:11:00.139and driven her right into that place. Was it ever a discussion? Did15200:11:00.179 --> 00:11:05.730you ever did when you actually whichtold you she was pregnant? Did did15300:11:05.769 --> 00:11:09.450abortion ever enter the discussion? No, no, because at that point when15400:11:09.450 --> 00:11:11.129it came out, and it cameout and sort of a weird way where15500:11:11.129 --> 00:11:15.769we're sitting on the couch in herparents living room and we're, you know,15600:11:15.929 --> 00:11:18.000just kind of shooting the breeze,sitting around, and her mom just15700:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.399kind of comes out and says,so when we're going to stop the Non15800:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.720Reality? You're pregnant. Yeah,really, yeah, wow, so her15900:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.600mom knew her mom. Yeah,and it was sort of like, you16000:11:28.759 --> 00:11:35.190know, I knew and was almostlike one of those willful ignorant sort of16100:11:35.269 --> 00:11:37.549thing. Yeah, if you don'tsay it, it's not really yeah,16200:11:37.549 --> 00:11:41.590I mean really, when you're ayoung person in that again, and that's16300:11:41.669 --> 00:11:43.990how, from my perspective, Ican speak to the young man who are16400:11:45.029 --> 00:11:48.779going into the abortion centers and Ican speak to young men about that prolife16500:11:48.860 --> 00:11:52.820issues, because I know the fearthat comes from having an unwanted pregnancy and16600:11:54.139 --> 00:11:56.539being a dad at a young ageand and so you know, when that16700:11:56.659 --> 00:12:00.700come, when that came out inthe way that it came out, the16800:12:00.820 --> 00:12:05.009first person I blame, which isreally funny, and this is human propensity,16900:12:05.009 --> 00:12:09.649I believe, is rather than blamingmyself or even blaming her, I17000:12:09.769 --> 00:12:13.490blame God. That's he's the firstperson I blame. He could have stopped17100:12:13.490 --> 00:12:16.879it right. He's exactly life.Yeah, and it kind of takes me17200:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.000back. As I look back,it kind of takes me back to a17300:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.399story in the Bible of our firstparents, Adam and Eve, and how17400:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.399the Lord comes after you know,the Lord had told Adam don't eat of17500:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.070the tree or the fruit of thistree, or you'll surely die. Well,17600:12:31.350 --> 00:12:35.470Adam falls into the temptation because ofhis wife Eve, and I'm not17700:12:35.549 --> 00:12:41.710blaming Courtney for this, but Iam saying that WHO's the first person really17800:12:41.750 --> 00:12:45.019the Adam blames, because he says, when the Lord comes and says,17900:12:45.019 --> 00:12:46.820what are you? What have youdone? You've basically you've eaten of this18000:12:46.899 --> 00:12:50.139tree. And what does he say? He doesn't say, well, I'm18100:12:50.139 --> 00:12:52.860sorry, I was responsible. Hesays, no, it was the woman18200:12:52.899 --> 00:12:56.340that you gave me, you,he gave me to. The accusation was18300:12:56.419 --> 00:13:00.529not even against Eve. Accusation wasagainst the Lord. And that's how it18400:13:00.649 --> 00:13:03.450was for me. I was Iremember like praying and saying God, why18500:13:03.490 --> 00:13:07.090did you allow this to happen?I remember saying God hates me because the18600:13:07.409 --> 00:13:13.360way God orchestrated this thing, hehates me. And and it was a18700:13:13.159 --> 00:13:18.200it was and and that was myfear. This is the end of end18800:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.480of my world, this is theend of life for me. So you're18900:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.639being all deflated as you're sitting herediscovering she's pregnanted. Courtney fest up right19000:13:24.679 --> 00:13:26.509away? Or Yeah, Oh,yeah, I mean it was obvious.19100:13:26.590 --> 00:13:30.590Yeah, okay, it was theelephant in the room. So okay,19200:13:30.590 --> 00:13:33.149all right, okay, so yourworld falls apart. Coordiney is had a19300:13:33.190 --> 00:13:39.629little bit more time to to dealwith it. So did you talk about19400:13:39.629 --> 00:13:41.980marriage right away or what was Oh, you know, I think right away19500:13:43.019 --> 00:13:48.980the conversation was around the around thebaby, and thankfully her parents were,19600:13:48.700 --> 00:13:54.299you know, godly people who Idon't know that abortion would every even enter19700:13:54.419 --> 00:13:56.370into their minds. I mean,I don't I don't know that and I19800:13:56.809 --> 00:14:01.649certainly wouldn't wouldn't be accusatory if itdid, but I would doubt that it19900:14:01.769 --> 00:14:03.889ever even did. It was theright away. What can we do to20000:14:05.049 --> 00:14:07.210make sure that courtney is taken careof and make sure this baby is taken20100:14:07.250 --> 00:14:11.679care of? And then, youknow, later on there was some conversations20200:14:11.840 --> 00:14:15.799and I did end up, youknow, I knew what the right thing20300:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.360to do was, even not beinga Christian at that point, sort of20400:14:18.399 --> 00:14:20.519having a you know, as theBible says, I had a form of20500:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.279godliness, but now, in thepower thereof, it's like I had this20600:14:24.389 --> 00:14:26.950form of godliness. I read myBible even I read my Bible at that20700:14:28.110 --> 00:14:33.070time almost on a daily basis.You know, for whatever reason I had20800:14:33.070 --> 00:14:37.149actually a false conversion, spear experience. It's a little bit after, a20900:14:37.629 --> 00:14:39.580couple of days after it, wefound out she was pregnant. I remember21000:14:39.700 --> 00:14:45.059just feeling the pressure of the circumstanceand the guilt from it. But it21100:14:45.179 --> 00:14:48.659was not guilt really that I feltthat I had sinned against God. It21200:14:48.820 --> 00:14:50.940was more that I had sent againsther parents and so I went down front21300:14:50.980 --> 00:14:54.690at a church service and gave mylife to Jesus, and I put that21400:14:54.769 --> 00:14:58.210in quotes, not because that can'thappen. Certainly someone can go down front21500:14:58.250 --> 00:15:01.769and give their life to Jesus,but I, you know, even though21600:15:01.769 --> 00:15:05.690I wept and cried, it wasit was that worldly sorrow. I'd been21700:15:05.690 --> 00:15:09.480caught in my sin and I wasnot converted, my heart was not changed21800:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.919because I continue to do the samethings, to think the same way,21900:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.679but I did make a profession offaith that was not real. At the22000:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.600time I thought it was because Ichecked the box. You know I'm saying22100:15:20.639 --> 00:15:22.669I did the stuff that I wastold to do, but it really again,22200:15:22.669 --> 00:15:26.629it was it was a worldly sorrow, it was a brokenness over I22300:15:26.750 --> 00:15:28.870was called on my sin rather thanI had sinned against the Lord, and22400:15:30.710 --> 00:15:35.740I share that just because it actuallytook so from that time. So our22500:15:35.779 --> 00:15:39.899daughter was born in in ninety eight, one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight,22600:15:39.940 --> 00:15:43.179and I was eighteen years old andit took from that time, from22700:15:43.220 --> 00:15:48.259being eighteen years old till twenty oneyears old. In that three year or22800:15:48.299 --> 00:15:52.090so period, the Lord working onmy heart and just really showing me that22900:15:52.409 --> 00:15:58.250to be the father that I'm supposedto be, because you know, as23000:15:58.409 --> 00:16:03.450parents we have to make sacrifices sureto fruch child. Yeah, and the23100:16:03.529 --> 00:16:07.440parental role is actually a good way. It's in your testimony. It's kind23200:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.320of what the Lord used to bringyou to himself to your first son was23300:16:10.440 --> 00:16:17.039born. We understand the heart ofthe father when we become parents and we23400:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.669understand, understand what it means tosacrifice and how he's sacrifice and how he23500:16:21.190 --> 00:16:23.470was forbearing with us and patient withus, because we got to be patient23600:16:23.470 --> 00:16:26.389with our kids. And so theLord be in his patients, in His23700:16:26.470 --> 00:16:30.029grace. For that that three yearperiod was really working on my heart and23800:16:30.190 --> 00:16:34.460just showing me, you know what, you're not right, but you can23900:16:34.539 --> 00:16:40.100get right. You need the gracethat is available. You don't have it,24000:16:40.259 --> 00:16:42.299but you need it. And thentwo thousand and one, maybe getting24100:16:42.299 --> 00:16:47.250a little ahead of myself in this, but in two thousand and one I24200:16:47.450 --> 00:16:51.289realized that I needed I was notsaved, that I needed to be saved.24300:16:52.129 --> 00:16:56.169And and so at that point,so we had, you know,24400:16:56.210 --> 00:16:59.970I'd proposed to her I think theChristmas of that year, when we found24500:16:59.970 --> 00:17:03.919out she was pregnant. I hadproposed to her and plans was, you24600:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.200know, it's a five year plan, right, and my mind at least,24700:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.599I'm going to work and save upmoney and have this and have that24800:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.759in place before we get married.And that's, you know, that shows24900:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.710just the worldliness of my mentality.When I got saved in two thousand and25000:17:15.789 --> 00:17:21.710one, I knew right away thateven though we stopped having sex outside of25100:17:21.750 --> 00:17:23.109marriage, because I knew, aftermy heart was changed, that was not25200:17:23.230 --> 00:17:27.589okay, it still didn't look goodto have a baby's Mama. And you25300:17:27.710 --> 00:17:30.740the Bible says we should stay awayfrom even the parents of evil. So25400:17:30.819 --> 00:17:33.619as I'm testifying what God has donein my life and I hear I have,25500:17:33.819 --> 00:17:37.980you know, a child outside ofwedlock, it just didn't look good.25600:17:37.059 --> 00:17:41.380And and the Lord was just callingme and calling her to trust him25700:17:41.420 --> 00:17:45.529and to scrap our five year planor whatever plan we had, and to25800:17:45.609 --> 00:17:48.329put our trust in him. Andso six months later, after I was25900:17:48.410 --> 00:17:51.410saved in two thousand, early partof three thousand and one, we were26000:17:51.490 --> 00:17:53.250married. We were getting married andstepping out in faith in that way.26100:17:53.529 --> 00:17:57.839Right, right, and and shealso went back to school, right.26200:17:57.880 --> 00:18:02.000I mean she graduated. Yeah,yes, she kept you. Yeah,26300:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.319kept right on. So a greattestimony to so many of the women that26400:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.160we encounter in the in the prolife movement who say that their life stops.26500:18:08.240 --> 00:18:12.269Like what you what you felt,your life stops when you have a26600:18:12.309 --> 00:18:17.430baby. Well, that's not certainlynot easy when we don't follow God's plan,26700:18:18.269 --> 00:18:21.349but it is possible. Yeah,it's. Well, you know,26800:18:21.349 --> 00:18:26.309I cheered when I first found outthat she was pregnant, that it was26900:18:26.430 --> 00:18:30.420end of the world for me,right, and it really was. Yeah,27000:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.059but that was a good thing actually, because what was my world at27100:18:33.099 --> 00:18:37.180that time, right, was Danielin the center and everything else revolved around27200:18:37.220 --> 00:18:41.299it. And that three year timeperiod is when the Lord really showed me27300:18:41.569 --> 00:18:45.289this is not about you, lifeis not about you. My world came27400:18:45.369 --> 00:18:48.890apart, came unraveled, you know, the partying and all that other stuff,27500:18:48.210 --> 00:18:51.650you know, necessarily had to change, because I'm a dad now.27600:18:51.809 --> 00:18:56.599Right, it did immediately change.It wasn't immediately that I repented of all27700:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.200that stuff and, you know,became him a the dad that he was27800:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.759calling me to be to again,about three years I'm still not, I27900:19:02.880 --> 00:19:04.200think, the dad that he's calledme to be, although now we have28000:19:04.279 --> 00:19:08.279eight children. Our daughter from thatunplanned pregnancy is twenty one. She's a28100:19:08.359 --> 00:19:11.750blessing from the Lord and she comesout and comes on the sidewalk in front28200:19:11.750 --> 00:19:15.549of the abortion center with us andI can testify. You know, I've28300:19:15.549 --> 00:19:18.829been where you've been and the Lordis faithful and here our daughter is,28400:19:18.910 --> 00:19:23.109is a testimony to that. Butmy world was over, yeah, when28500:19:23.150 --> 00:19:26.299I found out my girlfriend was pregnant, and that was a good thing.28600:19:26.460 --> 00:19:30.619Yeah, and so I want topiggy back off of that thought, because28700:19:30.740 --> 00:19:37.500something that I hear often from momswho are are abortion minded is is,28800:19:37.779 --> 00:19:44.769well, God will use the deathof my child, the abortion, to28900:19:45.329 --> 00:19:48.410bring about, you know, thechanges that are necessary my life whatever.29000:19:48.450 --> 00:19:52.809Yeah, and so you're not saying, and I I know you're not,29100:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.519I know you well enough. Butbut I want you maybe to expand on29200:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.839that, that that having sex outsideof marriage led to a pregnancy, which29300:20:00.920 --> 00:20:06.599led to your world changing, whichled to you finding God. You're not29400:20:06.720 --> 00:20:11.309suggesting that that people should go havesex outside of marriage or have an abortion29500:20:12.710 --> 00:20:17.549in order to find God. Sodo you see what I'm saying? Yeah,29600:20:17.589 --> 00:20:21.859could you talk about that a littlebit, about you know, maybe29700:20:22.019 --> 00:20:26.779there's something about that. God hasused something, but that is that God's29800:20:26.859 --> 00:20:30.259plan. Is that right desire foryour life, the way, the plan29900:20:30.619 --> 00:20:33.980that you took? Yeah, well, so I would say that in the30000:20:34.220 --> 00:20:40.849midst of our sin and our sinfuldecisions, though we can't always know,30100:20:41.049 --> 00:20:42.730God does. He knows the endfrom the beginning, and we can't always30200:20:42.769 --> 00:20:48.210know what the results will be.God, in his wisdom and his goodness30300:20:48.369 --> 00:20:52.039and His mercy, can navigate througheven our sinful choices to bring about something30400:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.759good. You know. Yes,and so though you know, we can't30500:20:55.759 --> 00:20:59.079always explain all of that stuff andall the INS and outs of how God30600:20:59.240 --> 00:21:00.960works, and I'm not going topretend to try to expound on that and30700:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.670get into the permissive will of Godand the perfect will of God and all30800:21:04.710 --> 00:21:08.589these other things. I'll just saythis. We are called to trust the30900:21:08.750 --> 00:21:12.670Lord and we're called to do thingsGod's way. And when we mess up,31000:21:12.789 --> 00:21:17.269like having sex outside of marriage,like they say, two wrongs don't31100:21:17.269 --> 00:21:19.819make a right right. A Sindoes not atone for a previous sin.31200:21:21.019 --> 00:21:23.299Right exactly. So it's never that, you know, God isn't. It's31300:21:23.339 --> 00:21:26.940not God's will for people have childrenoutside of wedlock. I don't believe.31400:21:26.980 --> 00:21:30.700You know, however you theologically phrasethat. I don't believe it was God's31500:21:30.740 --> 00:21:34.690perfect will for that to happen.I will say this that it was God's31600:21:34.730 --> 00:21:38.890perfect will for us to have ourdaughter absent and she is a blessing from31700:21:38.890 --> 00:21:45.890the Lord. Yeah, but certainlysin is destructive, but God is a31800:21:45.970 --> 00:21:52.160redeemer and I oftentimes look back atmy testimony and look back at what the31900:21:52.240 --> 00:21:57.440Lord has done in his in hisgreat mercy, and I'm marvel and I32000:21:57.519 --> 00:22:03.430think some sometimes God's working in ourlives and how God navigates, for lack32100:22:03.470 --> 00:22:07.190of a better term, through thestuff and the junk of our lives to32200:22:07.269 --> 00:22:11.470bring about redemption is astounding to me. It amazes me and I think it's32300:22:11.990 --> 00:22:18.779in one sense it's designed to toto have us on our faces before God32400:22:18.299 --> 00:22:22.420and say, in the midst ofmy sin, how you took the sinful32500:22:22.539 --> 00:22:26.859choices and decisions. And though God, the Bible says God doesn't tempt anyone32600:22:26.940 --> 00:22:30.930with sin. God's not the tempter, and yet he's able to use that32700:22:30.730 --> 00:22:37.569for his glory and for our good. It's, I think, almost uncomprehendible.32800:22:37.650 --> 00:22:41.809Right in a side so that backgroundand having now that this this story32900:22:41.329 --> 00:22:45.720of you know what you went throughas a young adult at the same age33000:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.920of many of the people that wewill encounter who, yeah, who think33100:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.400that abortion is the answer, justit affect how you then operate, for33200:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.069lack of a better word, asa prolife advocate. Yeah, in your33300:23:00.109 --> 00:23:04.670interactions with with others, specifically withthe MOMS and the DADS who are coming33400:23:04.750 --> 00:23:08.789to abortion centers. Yeah, Imean certainly, again, I can not33500:23:08.869 --> 00:23:14.140for not every circumstance, but Ican certainly speak from some of the circumstances33600:23:14.500 --> 00:23:18.779are at least from that perspective atand know what it feels like to be33700:23:18.779 --> 00:23:23.339afraid to be a young parent.Yeah, and it gives me a burden33800:23:23.819 --> 00:23:27.250really to speak to those dads andto call them up. You know,33900:23:27.289 --> 00:23:33.130I had people calling me up asas a young father, calling me up34000:23:33.289 --> 00:23:36.049to do what God has called meto do, in the sense that deny34100:23:36.170 --> 00:23:38.809yourself and put your trust in theLord. And so I can speak from34200:23:38.809 --> 00:23:42.359that perspective. I can, youknow, also speak to the perspective of34300:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.680the women as well, because meand my wife are, you have a34400:23:45.720 --> 00:23:51.480close relationship and and we've talked throughthese things and I kind of kind of34500:23:51.599 --> 00:23:55.039can feel from that perspective of ayoung lady, not entirely, but at34600:23:55.079 --> 00:24:00.029least can talk from that perspective alittle bit and and speak really to that34700:24:00.190 --> 00:24:02.829that fear. Yeah, it isfear. A lot of times it jobs34800:24:02.869 --> 00:24:06.710people to an abortion center. Iagree. So, so, now,34900:24:07.470 --> 00:24:11.259so you're a young family starting out, you get married, you you've got,35000:24:11.779 --> 00:24:15.819you know, a child, andwhat brought you from that moment in35100:24:15.940 --> 00:24:23.529your life to being out as avery vocal prolife person on the sidewalk up35200:24:23.569 --> 00:24:26.490an abortion yeah? Yeah, because, you know, we acknowledge that it35300:24:26.730 --> 00:24:30.490is sort of a maybe a weirdthing to be in front of an abortion35400:24:30.569 --> 00:24:33.089center. People do it? Howmany people do it, although I think35500:24:33.369 --> 00:24:37.529more people should. I agree.Yeah, that's that's another podcast. I35600:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.720yes. So, basically, Isay the Lord set me up. You35700:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.599know, when I first was savedI was astounded by the mercy of God35800:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.880and by the goodness of God thathe would save a rat like me and35900:24:49.000 --> 00:24:52.190it was my heart to one ofthe things I prayed when I first got36000:24:52.269 --> 00:24:56.390say was Lord, don't let me, don't let me live long enough to36100:24:56.430 --> 00:25:00.230do nothing. Okay, if I, if I am not involved in kingdom36200:25:00.230 --> 00:25:03.869work. If I am an apatheticChristian, just kill me. I would36300:25:03.869 --> 00:25:08.539rather die than be an apathetic pewsitting Christian. And so I was always36400:25:08.539 --> 00:25:11.940in my heart to be evangelistic,to share the Gospel, to seek after36500:25:11.980 --> 00:25:15.380the Lord, to seek to knowhim more, to dig in his word.36600:25:15.420 --> 00:25:19.779It was just in my heart becauseI'd been a false convert and apathetic36700:25:19.900 --> 00:25:25.250Christian. I've seen a lot ofapathy in the Christian in the Christian realm,36800:25:25.769 --> 00:25:27.170and I didn't want to be likethat. So I'd always been sort36900:25:27.170 --> 00:25:30.529of evangelistic. Well, not sortof, but really evangelistic. You shared37000:25:30.609 --> 00:25:37.000tracks and cheering the gospel, thatkind of stuff. And and so anyway,37100:25:37.160 --> 00:25:41.279you know, done some street preachingand that sort of thing and and37200:25:41.680 --> 00:25:48.480some one on one evangelism. Andactually early part of our Christian lives we37300:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.430me and my wife and our family, we just were seeking after the Lord37400:25:52.470 --> 00:25:56.589and we ended up going to achurch and concord because my brother went to37500:25:56.670 --> 00:26:00.269the school of Ministry there. Itwas fire church, okay, and they37600:26:00.309 --> 00:26:04.140have fire school of ministry there.And so we were going there and at37700:26:04.180 --> 00:26:10.619that time there was a group thathad come and shared about the issue of37800:26:10.619 --> 00:26:17.299abortion and the national sin that abortionis and they had encouraged the church to37900:26:17.660 --> 00:26:21.490bring children out to the abortion center. And actually there were some that were38000:26:21.529 --> 00:26:22.970already out there, flip Bedham,who was already out there as the the38100:26:23.130 --> 00:26:27.450abortion center in South Charlotte here onHebron Street, and at that time there38200:26:27.529 --> 00:26:30.930was not a big nout. Nowthere's a big fence and you can't see38300:26:30.009 --> 00:26:33.960to the front door, but atthat time you could see right to the38400:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.519front door. And so we went. I went as a chaperone to the38500:26:36.559 --> 00:26:38.160children's groups. So the children weregoing to come out. My daughter was38600:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.480eight years old at that time andshe was going to come out with you38700:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.200know, the children's groups going tocome out and they bust them over and38800:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.190they were just going to sing Jesusloves me and sing on the microphone to38900:26:48.230 --> 00:26:52.349try to touch the hearts of theMOMS and I was going as a chaperon.39000:26:52.470 --> 00:26:53.990I was just going to make surethe kids were where they needed to39100:26:55.029 --> 00:26:57.430be and weren't any kind of dangeranything like that. And I say,39200:26:57.470 --> 00:27:00.029the Lord set me up. Yeah, I had no intention. You know,39300:27:00.069 --> 00:27:03.339I knew about abortion, I knewit was wrong, I knew it39400:27:03.380 --> 00:27:06.980was was bad and then it wassinful. But as far as like seeing39500:27:07.019 --> 00:27:10.180the issue of abortion where it tookplace, I didn't. I knew it39600:27:10.220 --> 00:27:12.180took place, but I didn't knowwhere to knew the magnitude of the problem39700:27:12.220 --> 00:27:15.809until I went and I was standingthere in front of that abortion center and39800:27:15.849 --> 00:27:18.609I'm seeing a mom go in andI know she's going in with a baby.39900:27:19.049 --> 00:27:22.450See Him come out and I knowthey came out. They lefted a40000:27:22.569 --> 00:27:26.529dead child in there. At thatpoint it's like the Holy Spirit spoke to40100:27:26.609 --> 00:27:30.519me. A hundred feet from whereyou're standing, babies are dying. Yeah,40200:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.519right here right now, not someother time, not some other place,40300:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.519right here right now. What areyou going to do about it?40400:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.799And I just broke I just startedbawling. And then I found out some40500:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.390of the students from the Fire Schoolof Ministry were one out to the abortion40600:27:45.470 --> 00:27:48.549center here on the trope drive andI went out with them and there was40700:27:48.589 --> 00:27:52.670another brother who was involved with themwho lived where I lived at the time,40800:27:52.150 --> 00:27:56.269and we rode together and I justkind of got hooked. I guess40900:27:56.269 --> 00:27:59.420you can say, not that it'sfun to be out there, but it41000:27:59.539 --> 00:28:02.380is. You know, it's inour hearts to serve the Lord. It's41100:28:02.380 --> 00:28:06.900it. It blesses us to blessour father. And so I just got41200:28:06.980 --> 00:28:11.059involved in that, that ministry,going out on Saturdays. I worked full41300:28:11.099 --> 00:28:15.450time job doing hardwood floors at thetime and so I'd come out on the41400:28:15.490 --> 00:28:18.490weekends and bring my family. Mykids are pretty much raised in this,41500:28:18.809 --> 00:28:22.130in this thing. They're all willing. Your wife and your family's yeah,41600:28:22.369 --> 00:28:25.490yeah, yeah, and the Lordgraciously brought my wife along. At that41700:28:25.609 --> 00:28:29.640time she was working as a nursein the hospital and the Lord graciously kind41800:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.640of, you know, trimmed offher hours and she started coming out in41900:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.000in the capacity as a nurse,actually on board the the mobile unit and42000:28:37.799 --> 00:28:42.109in. So here we are todayserving the Lord together. And then about42100:28:42.470 --> 00:28:45.670four years ago, you know,cities for life got started in two thousand42200:28:45.710 --> 00:28:48.910and ten. We are already involvedas a family. Our family was already42300:28:48.910 --> 00:28:53.230out there on Saturdays and when citiesfor life got started, we jumped on42400:28:53.309 --> 00:28:59.059board with that right away just asa concerted effort to get the church involved.42500:28:59.900 --> 00:29:04.539And then about four years ago Igot a college two thousand and fifteen.42600:29:04.660 --> 00:29:07.099So but yeah, but four yearsago I got a call out of42700:29:07.140 --> 00:29:11.329the blue from some of the folkswho had originally started cities life and from42800:29:11.369 --> 00:29:15.529David Benham, who was the he'sthe founder of cities for life, saying42900:29:15.569 --> 00:29:18.569basically, Hey, we need somebodyto lead this thing and we feel like43000:29:18.690 --> 00:29:22.089it might be you. Would youpray about it? And at that time43100:29:22.089 --> 00:29:27.799I was already pastoring a home congregationand work into and it was just like43200:29:29.079 --> 00:29:33.839well, somebody calls me out ofthe blue and asked me if I wanted43300:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.359to be paid to do the thingthat God has put in my heart.43400:29:37.359 --> 00:29:38.589Right, like, well, letme pray about this, but I'm pretty43500:29:38.589 --> 00:29:41.910sure this is gone right. Andso me and my wife talked about it43600:29:42.069 --> 00:29:45.470and we prayed about it and feltlike it was. It was the Lord's43700:29:45.549 --> 00:29:52.349will. So here we are nowserving in this capacity and blessed to be43800:29:52.859 --> 00:29:56.420a part of what God's doing andcheering the testimony what God has done in43900:29:56.500 --> 00:30:00.019our lives with those who are comingto the a abortion center right and it44000:30:00.220 --> 00:30:02.740and it's been a blessing to allof us, because I was already on44100:30:02.900 --> 00:30:07.099board as as a volunteer and Iknow when when you came, things really44200:30:07.140 --> 00:30:11.369did change. There was now,you know, an organization and ministry that44300:30:11.529 --> 00:30:17.769we belonged to and and that washad our back. Yeah, and so44400:30:18.089 --> 00:30:21.369that, you know, some greatthings began to happen as a result of44500:30:21.440 --> 00:30:26.319you becoming the director of cities forlife. So so thank you for that.44600:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.200Is there anything else you want toshare about your heart with? You44700:30:30.319 --> 00:30:34.200know what? Maybe you said thatthere's a lot of Christians that you think44800:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.990are just sitting in a pew andmaybe not doing what God has called them44900:30:38.150 --> 00:30:42.589to do in terms of the prolife movement. Do you can you talk45000:30:42.630 --> 00:30:47.950a little bit more about that?Yeah, I mean there is a need,45100:30:48.150 --> 00:30:55.220of course, because there's abortion centersand these places that killed children day45200:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.900in and day out right all acrossthis this country, right, and I45300:30:57.940 --> 00:31:03.500of course acknowledge, like any anyChristian would, that not everyone can do45400:31:03.740 --> 00:31:07.130sidewalk counseling. Some folks are calledto be missionaries and other countries not everyone45500:31:07.410 --> 00:31:11.210is called. You know, peopleuse that as an out. Sometimes I'm45600:31:11.210 --> 00:31:14.329not called to do that. Oftentimesit's just they're not comfortable to that.45700:31:14.609 --> 00:31:17.769Yeah, but some people aren't calledto do it. Right. Maybe there45800:31:17.890 --> 00:31:19.000certainly are, though, a lotmore people that are called to do it45900:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.359than I are. Actually doing it. And so you know, again it's46000:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.759it's really we're not saved to justto go up to heaven, you know,46100:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.880we're saved to serve the Lord andwe serve the Lord out of what46200:31:32.000 --> 00:31:33.950he's done for us. We're notout there to earn merit with God.46300:31:34.109 --> 00:31:37.630I'm not out there on the sidewalktrying to convince people not to have abortions46400:31:37.710 --> 00:31:41.670because I think somehow it will giveme more favor with God and get me46500:31:41.710 --> 00:31:45.349a bigger mansion in heaven or makeme more saved. You know, you46600:31:45.390 --> 00:31:51.180can't be more saved than being actuallysaved from your sin. We are to46700:31:51.339 --> 00:31:53.740function, we are to minister outof our gratitude toward God for what he's46800:31:53.740 --> 00:31:57.500done for us. We love himbecause he first loved us. And so46900:31:57.859 --> 00:32:05.329my heart to and encouragement to anyonewho's a believer is your called to serve47000:32:05.450 --> 00:32:08.490the Lord and whatever capacity that is. And you know what, if you47100:32:08.609 --> 00:32:14.609think maybe, yeah, you mightbe called to the sidewalks, just go47200:32:14.769 --> 00:32:16.960out one time. That's I think. Maybe not everyone is called to be47300:32:17.039 --> 00:32:21.279on the sidewalks in front of anabortion center, but I say this every47400:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.759Christian should at least go to anabortion clinic one time and see what goes47500:32:24.799 --> 00:32:30.430on there, to see the issueof abortion where it takes place and to47600:32:30.509 --> 00:32:32.869see it before your face and letthe Lord deal with your heart in that,47700:32:32.990 --> 00:32:37.670because it is a national sin,it's a sin issue, it's a47800:32:37.710 --> 00:32:42.549spiritual issue and it's a national thingthat we as Christians are to deal with.47900:32:42.630 --> 00:32:45.140This is not politicians job to dealwith the issue of abortion. That's48000:32:45.299 --> 00:32:49.299it's the church's job, it's ourjob to deal with issue of abortion.48100:32:49.380 --> 00:32:52.339So, of not everyone may becalled to be on the sidewalk, but48200:32:52.460 --> 00:33:00.289it's everyone called to proclaim the prolifeaspect of of God, yeah, and48300:33:00.450 --> 00:33:07.410of his biblical mandate, yeah,to protect and proclaim the sanctity of innocent48400:33:07.490 --> 00:33:13.400human life. And can you bea Christian and not be prolife? Yeah,48500:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.200I mean so. Kind of backto, I guess I shared maybe48600:33:16.240 --> 00:33:22.519in our first podcast, that sortof very basic pro life argument that does48700:33:22.599 --> 00:33:28.710God love every person? Does Godlove you? When did he begin to48800:33:28.750 --> 00:33:31.470love you? If the fact ofwhat by what the Bible teaches, is48900:33:32.309 --> 00:33:37.869in is in fact true that Godloves every person and that he began to49000:33:37.910 --> 00:33:42.619love us before we're even born,really don't have an option. We really49100:33:42.619 --> 00:33:44.779don't have an option to say that. You know what, this is not49200:33:44.940 --> 00:33:46.579my issue, this is not mydeal. Those are you know, there's49300:33:46.619 --> 00:33:51.259a pro life Christians. I'm I'mprolive, but I can't really be involved49400:33:51.259 --> 00:33:53.460in that or whatever. A lotof times, again, like with abortion,49500:33:53.539 --> 00:33:57.569minded MOMS and dad's going into anabortion center, even Christians could be49600:33:57.569 --> 00:34:01.769under a spirit of fear and andafraid of what, you know, what49700:34:01.930 --> 00:34:06.609the Lord might do if they ifthey go out to an abortion center.49800:34:06.769 --> 00:34:08.929He might actually call them. Thatwas kind of that's what yeah, he49900:34:08.969 --> 00:34:12.920might actually call you to be there, and so, you know, might50000:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.039encourage me is just obey the Lord. Just trust in the Lord. Were50100:34:15.079 --> 00:34:22.639called to trust God and in everyand every aspect of our Christian life we've50200:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.269got a trust in what God's wordsays and what it says it's true,50300:34:25.269 --> 00:34:29.710it's right. No matter what societysays, no matter what our comforts say,50400:34:30.150 --> 00:34:34.309we are called to do what God'sword says. God's Word says on50500:34:34.469 --> 00:34:37.429that that sign right there, proverbsthirty one versus eight nine. Open your50600:34:37.469 --> 00:34:38.940mouth for the speechless and the causeof all who are appointed to die.50700:34:38.980 --> 00:34:43.739Open your mouth, judge righteously andplead the cause of the poor and needy,50800:34:44.260 --> 00:34:49.780and so that's our heart as aministry. We hope that this podcast50900:34:49.820 --> 00:34:52.820is a blessing to you toward thatend. This is not just about US51000:34:52.820 --> 00:34:55.769promoting sidewalk councling ministry. This isabout US understanding and trying to convey to51100:34:55.889 --> 00:35:00.329you guys that our pro life convictionsshould be carried through in light of the51200:35:00.409 --> 00:35:06.530Gospel that we are pro life notbecause of politics. We are pro life51300:35:06.769 --> 00:35:08.679because of the change that God haswroughten our heart through the power of his51400:35:08.800 --> 00:35:13.960Gospel. So we are prayers thatyou guys be blessed and continue to listen51500:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.840these podcasts. Our website locally,here's Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org,51600:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.469a national website that we used toequip and encourage people to get involved51700:35:22.469 --> 00:35:28.070with sidewalk counts and sidewalks for lifeat sidewalks and number four and lifecom and51800:35:28.670 --> 00:35:31.349we just pray that this podcasting hasbeen a blessing. You. Please interact51900:35:31.429 --> 00:35:34.389with us. You can go onour website. You can get my contact52000:35:34.429 --> 00:35:37.699info, my email addresses there,Vicki's email addresses there. The Lord bless52100:35:37.699 --> 00:35:40.420you guys. As you seek tostand for life, wherever the Lord has52200:35:40.460 --> 00:35:53.730put you. God bless me.Ove for love, give me our lift.52300:35:53.889 --> 00:36:06.480For gratitude, I know it willcost me my life. Nothing's too52400:36:06.760 --> 00:36:07.960precious. And some met you