Hard Cases: Gina Came to Abort 5 Times

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.400I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord.200:00:06.719 --> 00:00:10.310Welcome to the Gospel Center pro lifepodcast. In this episode, as300:00:10.390 --> 00:00:13.269in previous episodes, we're going toshare a case study, and this is400:00:13.349 --> 00:00:16.910of a young lady that came toabort five separate times. We're going to500:00:16.949 --> 00:00:20.190share some principles of how we ministeredto her. Stay tuned. Me,600:00:20.510 --> 00:00:35.460Lord, I felt show Passish,touch your heart, use me well,700:00:35.500 --> 00:00:41.009welcome to the Gospel Center pro lifepodcast. We are doing an episode much800:00:41.130 --> 00:00:44.130like some of the ones we've donein the past couple of weeks, which900:00:44.210 --> 00:00:48.929is case study about a mom thatwe've encountered at the abortion center here in1000:00:48.969 --> 00:00:53.880Charlotte that our team was able tominister to, and sharing some principles along1100:00:53.920 --> 00:00:59.359with that story. So we're justtalking through a story and then charing equipping1200:00:59.399 --> 00:01:03.349principles that we learned, that we'veemployed, and hopefully the story will be1300:01:03.349 --> 00:01:07.950a blessing and hopefully that the principleswill be a blessing. And, as1400:01:07.989 --> 00:01:14.269always, this young lady. There'sa real story with a real woman and1500:01:14.510 --> 00:01:17.989family associated with it, but wechange your name because we don't want to1600:01:18.109 --> 00:01:23.060expose her identity. We just wantyou guys to learn from the situation and,1700:01:23.420 --> 00:01:26.260as always, because I forgot tomention this when I first introduced this1800:01:26.500 --> 00:01:30.180podcast, we want you to sharethis podcast, share it with people,1900:01:30.980 --> 00:01:36.250get folks listening to the PODCAST,because we want folks to be equipped.2000:01:36.290 --> 00:01:38.890We won't believers to be equipped togo out to the abortion centers. Stories2100:01:38.969 --> 00:01:44.290like this are just evidence that goingout to an abortion center is effective.2200:01:44.650 --> 00:01:47.879When you show up at an abortioncenter, God will use you to say2300:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.599babies, and so show up.Show up equip though. We have these2400:01:53.239 --> 00:01:56.599podcasts, we have our sidewalks forlife, website, sidewalks in number four,2500:01:56.680 --> 00:02:00.510lifecom, in order to equip you. We also have resources. We2600:02:00.629 --> 00:02:06.230have a training that we do herein love life in our office once a2700:02:06.390 --> 00:02:09.110month. We actually do it viazoom. We record it here in our2800:02:09.150 --> 00:02:13.830office, but we do it atthe first Saturday of every month from two2900:02:13.949 --> 00:02:17.460PM to four PM eastern time,and if you want information about that,3000:02:19.340 --> 00:02:22.580we would certainly love to give thatinformation to you. There is some few3100:02:22.659 --> 00:02:24.939hoops you have to jump through toget in the get an invite to that3200:02:25.460 --> 00:02:29.460training. You have to fill outan application and a little bit of a3300:02:29.500 --> 00:02:32.409vetting process, which of course.I'm sure you all can agree as necessary.3400:02:34.569 --> 00:02:37.009But if you want more information aboutthat, you can go to love3500:02:37.129 --> 00:02:40.770life dot org slash America, andthere's some information there, or you can3600:02:40.849 --> 00:02:45.039email me if you want, Danielat Love Life Dot Org. I'd love3700:02:45.120 --> 00:02:49.919to get you in the right directionsfor US information sign up and that sort3800:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.919of thing. But with that,let's jump into this case study. What's3900:02:53.000 --> 00:02:57.000this story about? Yeah, sothis is one of the most unusual cases4000:02:57.319 --> 00:03:00.629I have faced, as most ofthe case studies we're doing are, because4100:03:00.629 --> 00:03:02.509that's why they stick in my mind. But yeah, this woman will call4200:03:02.590 --> 00:03:07.270her Gina. Okay, like manyof the women that come to the abortion4300:03:07.389 --> 00:03:13.060center, they are very conflicted.HMM, at most are. Most have4400:03:13.180 --> 00:03:16.379not made up their mind, andthe first forty eight hours after a choice4500:03:16.379 --> 00:03:21.539for life is critical. Yeah,you know, they they're returning to the4600:03:21.580 --> 00:03:27.770same situation that they came from.Yeah, and and so in that forty4700:03:27.810 --> 00:03:30.370eight hours that they have just madea choice of life, I mean you4800:03:30.490 --> 00:03:35.050can probably talk about that too.What do we see in those first forty4900:03:35.090 --> 00:03:38.009eight hours? Yeah, well,yeah, there is the the back and5000:03:38.050 --> 00:03:40.919forth. The reality is that thewoman is going back to the same situation5100:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.280right. Even if she, whichwe've seen many choose not just life but5200:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.439choose the Lord, like turn theirhearts to the Lord, even if she5300:03:49.520 --> 00:03:53.199surrendered her life to Jesus, there'sstill going to be temptations. They're still5400:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.310going to be a temptation for herto go back to the abortion center.5500:03:57.430 --> 00:04:00.629Yep. So we want to asbest we can, build a relationship and5600:04:00.750 --> 00:04:05.110follow up with her, reinforce herdecision for life, encourage her point in5700:04:05.150 --> 00:04:09.870the right direction for resources and thingsto meet her needs, because we certainly5800:04:09.870 --> 00:04:12.460don't want the enemy influence on herto give back to the abortion center.5900:04:12.539 --> 00:04:15.979But sadly that does happen some.Yeah, yeah, because you know,6000:04:15.100 --> 00:04:21.100and I think one of the principlesthat that we just see in really across6100:04:21.100 --> 00:04:27.050the board conflict is there. Yeah, it's not unusual and it doesn't go6200:04:27.129 --> 00:04:30.449away. Yeah, when they've madea choice for life. In this case6300:04:30.009 --> 00:04:32.610this is a woman who appeared,I'm not going to tell you how many6400:04:32.649 --> 00:04:35.569separate times to abort the same babybecause I want to give away the story6500:04:35.649 --> 00:04:39.879as I tell it, but several, just so that you know, several6600:04:39.959 --> 00:04:45.399times. And and so she changedher mind back and forth multiple times.6700:04:45.800 --> 00:04:50.040And again not unusual. Happens allthe time. Sure does. So I'll6800:04:50.040 --> 00:04:55.750give you a little you know howI met her. I she had stopped6900:04:55.870 --> 00:05:00.189for actually one of our other councilorsup the street from the abortion center.7000:05:00.269 --> 00:05:05.149She pulled over in her car.I believe she was alone and the boyfriend7100:05:05.509 --> 00:05:09.819was up the street. It ata fast food restaurant, I think at7200:05:09.860 --> 00:05:15.019McDonald's. So the councilor who stoppedher, I believe, was relatively new7300:05:15.139 --> 00:05:18.420but for whatever reason, maybe shejust wasn't getting in anywhere with Gina and7400:05:18.500 --> 00:05:23.889she called called me over and Icame over to talk to Gina and as7500:05:23.930 --> 00:05:30.170I'm approaching this stranger, her mouthfalls open and she's staring at me like7600:05:30.370 --> 00:05:34.800she has seen a ghost. Andand as I get to the window and7700:05:34.839 --> 00:05:39.680I said Hi, my name isVicki, and she says I know you,7800:05:40.480 --> 00:05:44.439and I'm looking at her thinking Idon't know you or I don't remember7900:05:44.439 --> 00:05:48.800you, and she said I sawyou this morning in my window. I8000:05:49.269 --> 00:05:54.910like, what creepy. It doessound creepy and I want to tell you8100:05:54.910 --> 00:05:59.629I am not a stalker. Shesaid she saw the face, my face,8200:06:00.189 --> 00:06:04.420in her curtains and a vision andimage and she's looking straight at me8300:06:04.500 --> 00:06:09.819saying it was you, and shesaid that it was when she and her8400:06:09.819 --> 00:06:14.019boyfriend first woke up, they seemy face in the curtains, and she8500:06:14.100 --> 00:06:16.259even asked the boyfriend, do yousee a face in the curtains, and8600:06:16.660 --> 00:06:21.689the boyfriend said yes, but theface that he saw was a skull.8700:06:23.329 --> 00:06:29.730Well, he saw a skull.She saw my face and she's telling me8800:06:29.769 --> 00:06:32.519up and down it was you.I saw your face. That's about as8900:06:32.680 --> 00:06:36.879weird as a thing that has happenedto me. Yeah, ever, I9000:06:36.959 --> 00:06:43.800did portions and pretty strange. Youknow, I and and I'm not a9100:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.079cook. I want you to knowthat I testified of the fact that you're9200:06:46.629 --> 00:06:50.509mostly not a mostly not a cook. Now, I do wear an umbrella9300:06:50.550 --> 00:06:54.829hat, yeah, it's great,and a fanny pack that's like the size9400:06:54.870 --> 00:06:58.709of a backpack, right, butother than that, I am not a9500:06:58.910 --> 00:07:03.259cook. And and yet she wasdid she was telling me this was a9600:07:03.339 --> 00:07:08.339vision. Yeah, and so Iasked her, well, what do you9700:07:08.379 --> 00:07:13.699think that means? And she said, I think your face is a choice9800:07:13.779 --> 00:07:17.850for life and the skull that myboyfriend saw was a choice for abortion.9900:07:17.889 --> 00:07:24.490Yeah, so she even outlines thatthere's this conflict already in her heart.10000:07:25.170 --> 00:07:29.009When she said that, wouldn't youthink that means the boyfriend's coercing. Yeah,10100:07:29.050 --> 00:07:31.800the abortion because he saw the skull. Yeah, and she saw my10200:07:31.959 --> 00:07:39.079face. Was the choice for life, apparently. Anyway. So I conclude10300:07:39.160 --> 00:07:43.079she's probably leaning towards keeping the baby. I'm able to convince her to go10400:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.069on to our mobile ultra sound unitwhich is parked right in front of her.10500:07:46.230 --> 00:07:47.709Yeah, she didn't even go intothe abortion center. She had an10600:07:47.709 --> 00:07:55.389appointment, but she she really prettyeasily went on the RV, sees the10700:07:55.430 --> 00:08:01.779baby, is overjoyed, calls theboyfriend, who is then her and shirt.10800:08:01.939 --> 00:08:03.779She had an appointment, but theshe was not yet late for the10900:08:03.860 --> 00:08:07.819appointment. Yeah, and I'm terrifiedif she's going to be calling the boyfriend11000:08:07.939 --> 00:08:11.930because he saw skull. Yeah,so he's going to tell her. What11100:08:13.009 --> 00:08:16.410about my vision? Yeah, youknow, I'm I'm afraid she's going to11200:08:16.490 --> 00:08:20.529bring her right back. So Ishare the Gospel with her. She was11300:08:20.769 --> 00:08:24.689interested, but and receptive, butdid not ask Jesus to be Lord.11400:08:24.769 --> 00:08:26.920Didn't want to make a commitment rightaway. She wanted to think about it,11500:08:28.800 --> 00:08:33.799but she she said she had madea choice for life, solid choice11600:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.679for life. Yeah, and andshe leaves. Yeah. So the principle11700:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.429within this gas, and would encourageyou with this, is it you should11800:08:41.429 --> 00:08:46.190never discount the miraculous, even whenit's Cooky, and he would it's cooking.11900:08:46.230 --> 00:08:48.509It's weird, like God does weirdstuff from time to time, and12000:08:48.590 --> 00:08:52.470certainly they're cookie Christians that you knowthey see a devil, but behind every12100:08:52.509 --> 00:08:56.779Bush or an angel. You know, the angels fly around them all the12200:08:56.899 --> 00:09:00.980time, and there's just some weirdness. That's not what we're talking about.12300:09:01.059 --> 00:09:05.379Yeah, we're talking about the factthat God does speak to people sometimes in12400:09:05.419 --> 00:09:07.740dreams. I have encountered women atthe abortion center who God gave them a12500:09:07.779 --> 00:09:11.690dream about their baby, in thefact that they should not have the abortion.12600:09:11.370 --> 00:09:16.450And God can do that right.Yeah, God can show them a12700:09:16.490 --> 00:09:20.889vision in a curtain. Doesn't necessarilymean they're going to always obey what that12800:09:20.970 --> 00:09:22.610vision is intended to do. Oneof the things that I pray about,12900:09:22.809 --> 00:09:26.399pray for often times, is Lord, give these women a sign. Yeah,13000:09:26.440 --> 00:09:30.440give them a sign. Maybe theysee a bumper sticker along their their13100:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.120pathway to the abortion center that says, you know, abortion stopped a beating13200:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.879heart or something like that. Maybethe encounter a friend from high school they13300:09:37.879 --> 00:09:39.830hadn't seen a long time, thatshears the Gospel with them. I know13400:09:39.990 --> 00:09:45.230one story. It's been some yearsago. We were actually me and brother13500:09:45.309 --> 00:09:48.269Patrick, who used to drive themobile unit. We're out in front of13600:09:48.269 --> 00:09:52.830the abortion center. Yeah, andthis lady comes walking through the woods and13700:09:52.059 --> 00:09:54.980she lived in the neighborhood back behindthe abortion center. She knew while we13800:09:56.059 --> 00:10:00.139were there and she wanted to comeand encourage us that she encountered a woman13900:10:00.179 --> 00:10:03.860at the bus stop a couple ofweeks ago that was headed to the abortion14000:10:03.940 --> 00:10:07.610center and she talked her out ofthe abortion. Wow. So the girl14100:10:07.809 --> 00:10:09.169and she said, you know,I followed up with her. She comes14200:10:09.169 --> 00:10:11.889over to my house. I'm disciplingher and all of us. I'm like,14300:10:13.090 --> 00:10:16.490you know what, I pray foryou. I pray for women like14400:10:16.649 --> 00:10:18.490you, for people like you,to be that sign along her way.14500:10:18.529 --> 00:10:22.159She was headed to the abortion center, at the bus stop, about to14600:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.519get on the bus to come tothe abortion center. This lady was in14700:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.039her path helped her to choose life. Wow. So she was an answer14800:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.440to prayer. Never discount the miraculousGod does miracles, even though they sometimes14900:10:31.480 --> 00:10:37.950might be weird. We should trustthe Lord to do that, because he's15000:10:37.950 --> 00:10:41.110a God that that does miracles.He does, and I must say that15100:10:41.350 --> 00:10:45.950that one really was a faith builder. It's like, okay, my face15200:10:46.029 --> 00:10:50.740is being used in the curtains andthis is is awesome. Anyway, she15300:10:50.860 --> 00:10:54.139left and I'm convinced this is aclear choice for life. She saw my15400:10:54.179 --> 00:10:58.379face in the curtain. She choselife. She told us she chose life.15500:10:58.419 --> 00:11:01.820She's heard the Gospel. So thenext day I text her and she15600:11:03.139 --> 00:11:05.090was very honest. She was honestthrough this whole process, by the way.15700:11:07.009 --> 00:11:11.730She was honest that she was wavering. She said that she it comes15800:11:11.769 --> 00:11:15.490out she believes the boyfriend. Oh, I forgot an important part of the15900:11:15.570 --> 00:11:20.440story in the first in this story, when she when she called the boyfriend,16000:11:20.519 --> 00:11:24.480she said, Vicky is the counselorhere. She has taken videos and16100:11:24.559 --> 00:11:26.480pictures of the baby. I wanther to send it to you. So16200:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.559I've got his name and number.He's got my name and number. That16300:11:28.679 --> 00:11:35.909becomes poort important later in the story. So anyway, so she when I16400:11:35.070 --> 00:11:39.590when I text her, she saidshe believes that that boyfriend was cheating on16500:11:39.710 --> 00:11:43.350her. She didn't want to betied down to him for the next eighteen16600:11:43.389 --> 00:11:46.259years. So she says it's betterto abort. And she had already made16700:11:46.299 --> 00:11:50.580a second appointment already. I meanit's not even twelve hours, or well,16800:11:50.659 --> 00:11:54.500it was not more than twenty fourhours. Yeah, and and she's16900:11:54.500 --> 00:11:56.980already made a second appoint her.I beg her to let me come have17000:11:58.100 --> 00:12:01.100lunch with her so we can talkmore. She lived really far away,17100:12:01.179 --> 00:12:03.970but she finally agreed. Yeah,and I met her for launch. At17200:12:05.049 --> 00:12:09.289this point I share the gospel morefully and she is recognizing if she had17300:12:09.330 --> 00:12:13.769followed God earlier in her life theway she should have been following God,17400:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.320then she wouldn't be in the messshe was in right now. Yeah,17500:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.759and so the discussion is really fruitfuland she ends up saying she wants to17600:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.159supend her life to Jesus. Tome this is critically important because I know17700:12:26.279 --> 00:12:30.230this is someone who's wavering. Yeah, who's going to go back and forth.17800:12:30.309 --> 00:12:33.950And and if, most of thetime, if they give their life17900:12:33.990 --> 00:12:37.230to the Lord, at least there'sa stronger chance that they're gonna be wanting18000:12:37.269 --> 00:12:41.669to please him, and that thatabortion will at least be more off of18100:12:41.750 --> 00:12:46.139the table. Yeah. So shepromised to cancel the appointment to abort for18200:12:46.259 --> 00:12:50.539the following day and even allowed meto call the mentor that we had set18300:12:50.580 --> 00:12:54.980up for her right then and there. They set up a meeting for a18400:12:54.019 --> 00:13:00.970few days later. I go homeagain feeling now her choice is solid.18500:13:01.009 --> 00:13:07.450Yeah, so, but that wasn'tthe case. Well, because conflict,18600:13:07.529 --> 00:13:11.049it can continue and it will continue. Yeah, we've got to be ready18700:13:11.049 --> 00:13:13.639for that. I mean there canbe this mentality that soon as they tell18800:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.559you they they've chosen life, oreven that they submitted their life to Jesus.18900:13:18.600 --> 00:13:22.399Right, and you can breathe,you can exhale. Yeah, that's19000:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.399not always the case. That's awin, right, a decision for life.19100:13:26.559 --> 00:13:28.350Praise God for that. Yeah,but we still have to press in,19200:13:28.429 --> 00:13:33.029we still have to be ready.For many women that's the case,19300:13:33.070 --> 00:13:35.669right, they choose life. Thereyou can't exhale. They can exhale ca19400:13:35.750 --> 00:13:39.590I finally did and chose what Iknew was the right thing. Yeah,19500:13:39.990 --> 00:13:43.460but we need to be ready forfor conflict to continue in these women's lives19600:13:43.500 --> 00:13:46.940and continue to, as best wecan, walk alongside them, right.19700:13:46.980 --> 00:13:50.379Yeah, yeah, so, afew days later, though. I'm at19800:13:50.419 --> 00:13:52.820this point, I have exhaled.I thought, okay, she chose,19900:13:54.019 --> 00:13:58.330she chose Jesus all as well.I texted her every day and everything sounded20000:13:58.370 --> 00:14:01.649like it was going okay. Buta few days later I get a call20100:14:01.690 --> 00:14:05.730from the boyfriend and I remember hehad my phone number because of those pictures20200:14:05.769 --> 00:14:11.399that I sent earlier of the ultrasound. So he calls me. He didn't20300:14:11.399 --> 00:14:13.080speak great English, but well,enough English, said. He tells me20400:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.799Gina is on our way back tothe abortion center. Oh well, it20500:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.840turns out he was the one thatwanted the baby, even though he saw20600:14:20.960 --> 00:14:26.789the skull in the curtain. Hewanted the baby. He was in love20700:14:26.870 --> 00:14:28.750with Gina. He had not beentotally committed to her, he said,20800:14:28.830 --> 00:14:33.669but he was now. He wantedthe baby, loved the baby already and20900:14:33.909 --> 00:14:35.710begged me go out there. Areyou there? And I wasn't. It21000:14:35.830 --> 00:14:37.820was actually one of my days off, but he said, can you go21100:14:37.899 --> 00:14:43.460out there, please stop her,save my baby. So so I go21200:14:43.620 --> 00:14:48.259out there. The boyfriend is updatingme periodically throughout the morning. I'm waiting21300:14:48.299 --> 00:14:52.779and we never see Gina. Thenhe said he had met Gina. He21400:14:52.860 --> 00:14:56.210had told her they needed to dosome shopping before heading to the abortion center.21500:14:56.570 --> 00:15:00.090He convinces them they have plenty oftime and and shops for so long21600:15:00.129 --> 00:15:05.490that she actually misses the appointment.Oh good, leading and the boyfriend calls21700:15:05.570 --> 00:15:07.840to tell me they're returning home andGina is like, okay, well,21800:15:07.919 --> 00:15:11.519I miss the appointment. Maybe maybeGod doesn't really want me to do that.21900:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.200The boyfriend begs me, don't tellher I did this, don't tell22000:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.559her that you content, that Icontacted you, or she'll break up with22100:15:18.720 --> 00:15:24.789me. But I now know thatGina is still abortion minded because of all22200:15:24.870 --> 00:15:30.710of that. So I call herchecking Chet, telling her I'm checking in22300:15:30.909 --> 00:15:33.429on her, finding out had shemet with the mentor, which I think22400:15:33.629 --> 00:15:37.259the schedule for meeting with the mentorhad passed at the point that I called22500:15:37.340 --> 00:15:41.539her. She had not, andshe just told me that something had come22600:15:41.580 --> 00:15:46.340up, she'd missed the meeting.Didn't tell me that she had returned for22700:15:46.460 --> 00:15:52.370the abortion. So again I counselas I would any abortion minded woman at22800:15:52.409 --> 00:15:54.970that point, reiterating our three talkingpoints, humanity of the baby, what22900:15:56.049 --> 00:16:00.529God says about the baby and ourvarious resources. And we talked again about23000:16:00.809 --> 00:16:04.879the value of this precious child.And I start getting her to talk about23100:16:04.879 --> 00:16:10.240baby names, because she still isat least pretending that she has made a23200:16:10.279 --> 00:16:14.080choice for life. So we're talkingabout the babies names and she told me23300:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.480that if it was a boy,she wanted to name him Leo, spelled23400:16:17.639 --> 00:16:21.389aloh. I had never seen aname spelled that way. Have you Leo23500:16:21.669 --> 00:16:26.110Aloh? Necessarily, I don't know, but anyway, she sounds genuinely excited23600:16:26.149 --> 00:16:33.779about baby Leo. And and sothe the next day I'm scheduled to go23700:16:33.820 --> 00:16:37.419out out of town. I drive, I'm like two hours out of town23800:16:37.940 --> 00:16:41.299and I passed a strange billboard.It was a white background and in the23900:16:41.340 --> 00:16:45.899middle of the billboard was one wordaloh. Now, I know that sounds24000:16:45.899 --> 00:16:49.649almost cookier than the Vision in thecurtains. Okay, this is a true24100:16:49.690 --> 00:16:52.970story, Daniel. If you're lookingat me a little funny, seriously,24200:16:53.009 --> 00:16:57.490I believe you. I remember thisstory actually playing out. So I called24300:16:57.769 --> 00:17:03.240Gina right away. Called Gina andand tell her what I've seen and there's24400:17:03.399 --> 00:17:07.599dead silence and she said where areyou? And I'm for some Reayon.24500:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.279There's something in my heart that's sayingshe's trying to find out if I'm near24600:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.029the abortion center. I'll bet she'sback. Oh Wow, I mean that24700:17:15.190 --> 00:17:18.150was just it was like maybe amessage from God. But just why was24800:17:18.230 --> 00:17:21.990she asking? where? Where amI? So I just said I'm on24900:17:22.069 --> 00:17:26.349the road and but I just hadto tell you about Leo this. I25000:17:26.430 --> 00:17:30.299mean it, I don't even know. There's no advertisement, there's nothing,25100:17:30.420 --> 00:17:33.259there's just the word Leo. Iwas driving on the interstate so I couldn't25200:17:33.259 --> 00:17:37.980stop and take a picture of it. But a few minutes later I get25300:17:37.980 --> 00:17:41.660a text from the boyfriend, frantic. She is indeed at the abortion center25400:17:41.700 --> 00:17:47.529again and planning to abort. AndI tried, I text over and over25500:17:47.609 --> 00:17:52.009and over again. No answer.I text versus to support the choice for25600:17:52.170 --> 00:17:56.930life. No answer, and I'mreally sad, thinking she is going to25700:17:57.210 --> 00:18:00.359do it this time. This was, by the way, if you're keeping25800:18:00.440 --> 00:18:04.200count, the fourth time that shehad made an appointment to kill her child.25900:18:04.759 --> 00:18:10.039And later that day the boyfriend textedme Gina had returned without aborting.26000:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.150And you know why? Because Ihad called about the name Leo on the26100:18:14.230 --> 00:18:19.990billboard and when she heard that shethought I can't kill the Vicky just saw26200:18:21.269 --> 00:18:23.829assign sign from the Lord. Yeah, yeah, I think about the timing26300:18:23.910 --> 00:18:27.980of that, like, what's thechances that you were driving by and you26400:18:29.099 --> 00:18:33.180see this billboard, this this exactname, exact spelling that she had mentioned26500:18:33.220 --> 00:18:36.819to you? Yeah, and thenyou decided, I mean because you could26600:18:36.819 --> 00:18:40.859look then say that's interesting, I'lltext gina later on and just encourage her.26700:18:40.940 --> 00:18:42.450That's all this. Maybe she candrop and see it too. Yeah,26800:18:42.529 --> 00:18:45.410you decided to text her in thatmoment, the moment where she's at26900:18:45.450 --> 00:18:49.049the abortion center. Yeah, andthat's what calls her to turn away that27000:18:49.970 --> 00:18:55.720fourth for time time, and justremember, guys, God is faithful.27100:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.720Never give up. WHOBEC at thatpoint. This is one of the things27200:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.839I encourage are our volunteers here locally, with even if you've poured out your27300:19:03.960 --> 00:19:06.799heart to a mom, because it'shappened to me several times. Yeah,27400:19:06.920 --> 00:19:11.190where I'm talking car side to amom and a dad or whatever important,27500:19:11.190 --> 00:19:15.029everything I can out to help themto choose life, help them to see27600:19:15.069 --> 00:19:17.910God's provision for them or for theirbaby, and then they go into the27700:19:17.950 --> 00:19:22.109abortion centers and in those moments islike your heart sinks. Yeah, it's27800:19:22.150 --> 00:19:25.779like, Oh, but I remindmyself of stories like this. I remind27900:19:25.859 --> 00:19:29.140myself of stories like the one weshared a couple of weeks ago where I28000:19:29.140 --> 00:19:33.059actually found out why we were recordingthe podcast at that couple that I've talked28100:19:33.059 --> 00:19:36.539to on the sidewalk there, youguys are training on the sidewalk, actually28200:19:36.700 --> 00:19:40.529left and chose life. Yeah,because the stories like that like, I'm28300:19:40.569 --> 00:19:45.410encouraged. Don't give up, hope, give give the the the message,28400:19:45.450 --> 00:19:48.410plant the seeds, say what God'sput in your heart to say and leave28500:19:48.450 --> 00:19:51.410the results up to him. Yeah, and you never know what God's going28600:19:51.490 --> 00:19:55.839to do, and chasing us,he can do just the most bizarre cookie28700:19:55.960 --> 00:19:59.000things. Anyway. So over thenext couple of weeks, I text off28800:19:59.079 --> 00:20:02.920and I call off in the mentorcalled me, though, to say gene28900:20:02.920 --> 00:20:04.960has ignoring her. She has notanswered any of the text to me.29000:20:06.200 --> 00:20:10.670That's not a good sign at all, given the obvious conflict in her heart.29100:20:10.670 --> 00:20:14.869I'm really concerned. But she textedme at one point that a water29200:20:15.029 --> 00:20:18.750pipe in her home had burst andshe had called the plumber. Waters everywhere29300:20:18.869 --> 00:20:22.619she I think it was a waterpipe. I hope I'm remembering that.29400:20:22.660 --> 00:20:23.539To say there was something, though, in her home. I think it29500:20:23.619 --> 00:20:26.539was the water pipe, and shecouldn't get a plumber out there. She29600:20:26.660 --> 00:20:30.420didn't know what to do. AndI called the mentor and and, who,29700:20:30.539 --> 00:20:34.619she remember, has been ignoring,has never met the mentor, gets29800:20:34.660 --> 00:20:37.769ahold the people at her church andwithin minutes they get people, or an29900:20:37.809 --> 00:20:41.970hour, I think, an hourlater, people are at Gina's house fixing30000:20:41.250 --> 00:20:47.250the water pipe. Well, andand Gina was so grateful. And so30100:20:48.089 --> 00:20:52.359she just couldn't believe total strangers hadpoured out all of this help for her.30200:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.359So now she's beginning to see Godat work. Yeah, and and30300:20:56.720 --> 00:21:02.359she begins taking on talking about thepower of God when we follow him.30400:21:02.400 --> 00:21:06.109Yeah. So, and I andI'm scheduled to go out of town again,30500:21:06.269 --> 00:21:07.349and I i. So I leaveto go out of town now,30600:21:07.390 --> 00:21:14.150feeling she is in good hands.She's met the mentor and she knows that30700:21:14.630 --> 00:21:18.660there is a whole church filled thepeople who love God who really were there30800:21:18.779 --> 00:21:22.380for her. Yeah. Yeah,and that's another important principle to yeah.30900:21:22.420 --> 00:21:26.019Yeah, it's the body of Christ. Yeah, working together in that situation31000:21:26.740 --> 00:21:33.049to help reinforce that decision for life. Even though, thankfully, this mentor31100:21:33.289 --> 00:21:36.609even though she was being rejected timeand again, didn't give up hope right31200:21:36.930 --> 00:21:40.210and was able to rally some folksfrom her church to go and meet a31300:21:40.289 --> 00:21:42.410practical need. Yeah, for thisyoung lady, yes, absolutely. What's31400:21:42.410 --> 00:21:45.529a testimony to her of the goodnessof God. Yeah. So don't think31500:21:45.569 --> 00:21:48.519you're alone ranger out there. You'renot. The people of God are there31600:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.519and they are powerful. Yeah,and various aspects to I mean it's not31700:21:52.720 --> 00:21:57.000just people on the sidewalk, it'smentors, it's churches, it's pastors,31800:21:57.480 --> 00:22:02.630it's pregnancy centers. Is All ofthese components working together and that's why we31900:22:02.750 --> 00:22:07.390need to do the best we canto build unity with others, while we32000:22:07.470 --> 00:22:11.390need to do the best we canas sidewall counselors. Is side, people32100:22:11.430 --> 00:22:15.380are doing sidewalk out reach to buildrelationships with churches so that you can get32200:22:15.420 --> 00:22:18.380on the phones. One of thethings that God has done just that's so32300:22:18.500 --> 00:22:23.059vital here in Charlotte is raising upchurches to I D mentors people that all32400:22:23.099 --> 00:22:26.579walk alongside them on people who can'tcome out to the sidewalk for whatever reason,32500:22:26.980 --> 00:22:32.089but can walk alongside a mom,so that our sidewalk counselors can hand32600:22:32.130 --> 00:22:37.049them off in a mentor and relationshipso that mentor can help do that relationship32700:22:37.130 --> 00:22:40.849building and that follow up and thatsort of thing, and rallying their church.32800:22:40.970 --> 00:22:44.359Yeah, come alongside her. AsI recall, actually the church was32900:22:44.559 --> 00:22:49.200not yet a love life church butbecame one and actually it the pastor came33000:22:49.400 --> 00:22:53.680and became very involved and if lifehas so result of this whole story,33100:22:53.720 --> 00:22:59.349because it was such a miraculous store. Yeah, so I'm almost I go33200:22:59.509 --> 00:23:02.829out of town, I'm almost fourhours out of Charlotte and I get a33300:23:02.950 --> 00:23:07.309call from a fellow counselor at theabortion center and in fact that was the33400:23:07.349 --> 00:23:11.509councilor who had stopped Gina the firsttime. That's how the councilor knew her.33500:23:11.950 --> 00:23:15.420Okay, and said GINA is back. This is number five. Well,33600:23:15.420 --> 00:23:18.819if you're counting, GINA's back atthe abortion center and my heart just33700:23:19.019 --> 00:23:22.819fell. I said are you positive? And he or she, I can't33800:23:22.819 --> 00:23:26.140remember if it was Elijah, whichwould be he, or one of the33900:23:26.180 --> 00:23:30.210women. I don't remember, butbut the councilor said yes. I even34000:23:30.250 --> 00:23:33.130called out her name. She turnedaround. I think you were there that34100:23:33.210 --> 00:23:37.609day, in fact, but shewent in. So I text Gina,34200:23:37.930 --> 00:23:42.200who miraculously answers the phone and shesaid she texts back by it was a34300:23:42.279 --> 00:23:48.599text. I have to do it. I'm sorry and I I send a34400:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.559flurry of text as best I canas I'm driving, and not that I34500:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.190recommend that no one should be doingthat, but I was fighting for this34600:23:56.309 --> 00:24:00.869baby's life and no response from her. And I get to my destination.34700:24:02.069 --> 00:24:04.230It was my son in laws andmy father, I mean my son and34800:24:04.230 --> 00:24:08.950daughter in laws and my her fatheris a pastor. I arrive, asked34900:24:08.950 --> 00:24:14.220him to pray. He prays,but we know it's ours. After I35000:24:14.339 --> 00:24:17.900had gotten the original text. SoI know I cried. I went on35100:24:17.980 --> 00:24:21.660a long walk. I'm sobbing it. This has been a long process of35200:24:21.859 --> 00:24:27.329working with this mom and and,you know, feeling just so sad for35300:24:27.529 --> 00:24:33.130this life that I had fought sohard for and so many people had fought35400:24:33.170 --> 00:24:37.609so hard for. Three hours laterI get a text from that same counselor.35500:24:37.890 --> 00:24:41.039You'll never believe it, Gina justcame out. She said she's done35600:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.079trying to kill the baby the fifthtime. She had sketuled the abortion.35700:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.559She wants to go on the knowmobile sound unit and see her child.35800:24:49.480 --> 00:24:53.789And so I called her, Itexted her, I want to hear all35900:24:53.789 --> 00:24:57.150about it when you're done, andshe called me after where it's and she36000:24:57.349 --> 00:25:00.230just said that she got in theabortion center. They found she had some36100:25:00.509 --> 00:25:04.710infection that they could not safely dothe abortion. I'm surprised they didn't.36200:25:04.750 --> 00:25:08.259Yeah, but Ross. Yeah,they told her you need to it's easy36300:25:08.339 --> 00:25:11.140to fix this infection. It's easyto get treatment. You need to get36400:25:11.140 --> 00:25:15.500treatment first and then we'll do theabortion. And she just she threw her36500:25:15.500 --> 00:25:18.220hands up and said, I'm done. God, you want this baby to36600:25:18.299 --> 00:25:22.970live. It's so clear you wantthis baby to live. I'm done.36700:25:23.289 --> 00:25:27.690I will not fight you anymore.Yeah, yeah, and so again,36800:25:27.849 --> 00:25:32.609yes, don't give up hope.Don't give up hope on these MOM's odd36900:25:32.650 --> 00:25:34.720I do want to encourage you,guys, with the fact that this is37000:25:34.960 --> 00:25:41.039this is a even though it happenswhere a mom goes back and forth five37100:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.240times. Yeah, it's pretty uncommonand as a sidewalk counselor, it's pretty37200:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.519uncommon that you'll be dealing with asituation like this on a regular basis.37300:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.589You won't be right, but thesesituations do do happen, like we talked37400:25:52.589 --> 00:25:55.589about. Be Prepared for that,be prepared for the conflict. Yeah,37500:25:55.710 --> 00:26:00.950but also don't get wrapped up inhopelessness again. It's it's really naughty.37600:26:00.150 --> 00:26:04.980Not Our job to convince them notto have the abortion. It's our job37700:26:06.140 --> 00:26:10.220to deliver the mail, so tospeak. God does the work, God37800:26:10.259 --> 00:26:12.339changes the hearts. We can't tapelike what we say. We can't take37900:26:12.380 --> 00:26:17.779ownership of the victories and we can'ttake ownership of the apparent defeats. Right,38000:26:17.940 --> 00:26:21.569leave it in the hands of theLord and certainly in and I know38100:26:21.609 --> 00:26:23.170what you're talking about, just goingon a walk and just weeping, just38200:26:23.609 --> 00:26:27.009like a board. So much outfor the situation and it seems like it's38300:26:27.049 --> 00:26:30.809not going to go. Not Goingto go with that point. I'm thinking38400:26:30.890 --> 00:26:33.960the baby's dead. Yeah, I'mmourning the death of that baby a sure38500:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.480and in the destruction that she's goingto reap in her life. She went38600:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.079back and forth that many times.Yeah, obviously she's conflicted. Right,38700:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.240obviously she's going to have regret.Right, he's gonna yeah, yeah,38800:26:44.359 --> 00:26:47.430and but don't give up, hope. Guess, don't give a hope.38900:26:47.630 --> 00:26:51.349Does his thing and the story didn'tend there. A few weeks later she39000:26:51.509 --> 00:26:56.390calls me with devastating news. Herdoctor appointment revealed that the baby had should39100:26:56.390 --> 00:27:00.900they had done testing and I thinkshe told me, ninety nine percent chance39200:27:02.099 --> 00:27:04.339this baby would have down syndrome.Yeah, and I thought, I'm thinking,39300:27:06.059 --> 00:27:07.940it's all over. And she wasstill within the range. So we39400:27:08.099 --> 00:27:12.500can that twenty weeks where she couldstill have an abortion at latrobe. I'm39500:27:12.579 --> 00:27:18.849sure appointment number six is is beingscheduled. And to my shock, she39600:27:19.049 --> 00:27:22.289said they asked me. In fact, I think they told her to consider39700:27:22.369 --> 00:27:27.650abortion, but I told them Ilove my baby no matter what. After39800:27:27.730 --> 00:27:30.920being stopped by God so many times, I know this baby is meant to39900:27:32.039 --> 00:27:36.680live and I'm going to take careof my baby no matter what. Now40000:27:36.759 --> 00:27:41.279that's a miraculous change of heart rightthere. Incredible. Yeah, because those40100:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.430for even folk who would claim tobe against abortion. Yeah, they might40200:27:45.509 --> 00:27:48.789would allow for, you know,the babies kind of have this or have40300:27:48.029 --> 00:27:53.750that. They might could justify that. Yeah, yeah, but Gina Wasn't40400:27:53.789 --> 00:27:56.549having it. Right. Her hearthad been changed. She finally said,40500:27:56.750 --> 00:28:00.140okay, God, it's almost likeJonah being swallowed by the Great Fish.40600:28:00.140 --> 00:28:06.019It's like okay, it what Igive a yeah, and in her reception40700:28:06.099 --> 00:28:08.619actually was love it than Jonah's.Yeah, she was happy that. Yeah,40800:28:08.660 --> 00:28:12.609to have baby. Did but takefive times to get their five scheduled40900:28:12.609 --> 00:28:15.769abortions, but each one of thosewas a trial. Yeah, and it41000:28:17.049 --> 00:28:21.529was almost a test. Yeah,and I think the point here is that41100:28:21.730 --> 00:28:26.529trials can strengthen us. There's trials. Going through those tests and having those41200:28:26.690 --> 00:28:30.880so many signs along the way,yeah, really strengthen her resolved to the41300:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.720point where, even with a ninetynine percent certainty that the doctors have that41400:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.559this baby would have down syndrome,she says, I'm going to love this41500:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.910baby no matter what. I couldnot believe it. I really could not41600:28:41.029 --> 00:28:45.950believe it. I was shocked.But anyway, so time for birth comes41700:28:45.470 --> 00:28:48.309and she has the baby and I'mwaiting and waiting and wait and I know41800:28:48.430 --> 00:28:52.630she I think she texts me thatshe went into labor and she text finally41900:28:52.910 --> 00:28:59.339the baby's born completely normal. Help. Well, no downs, everything was42000:28:59.740 --> 00:29:02.940great, and she said, wouldyou like to come visit? Yeah,42100:29:03.099 --> 00:29:06.099you don't have to ask me twice. So you know, I'm holding that42200:29:06.259 --> 00:29:10.930little miracle in my arms, justrejoicing and praising God, and what I42300:29:11.049 --> 00:29:15.569wrote in this article was really whatI we will post this article with this,42400:29:15.730 --> 00:29:18.089but was truly what my thoughts were. I was thinking, no one42500:29:18.210 --> 00:29:23.640will ever believe what it took toget you here. I don't even believe42600:29:23.680 --> 00:29:27.400it, but nonetheless you are here. Praise God. Yeah, here.42700:29:27.640 --> 00:29:33.119Yeah, the reward is worth it. It is so worth it, all42800:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.519of the sacrifice, all of theback and forth. And Listen, I've42900:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.390been through this personally. And whoyou've been through this roller coaster of you43000:29:41.549 --> 00:29:47.309know she's solid, she's gonna Write, get the mentor, she's chosen life,43100:29:47.430 --> 00:29:51.269and then you find out she's wavering. Yeah, and you go back43200:29:51.349 --> 00:29:56.099and forth, and that's a mentalroller coaster, emotional roller spiritual roller coaster43300:29:56.220 --> 00:30:00.859that nobody wants to be on.But it paid off in the end.43400:30:00.900 --> 00:30:04.900Yeah, that baby's here. He'sloved. His mom even pushed back against43500:30:04.940 --> 00:30:08.410some pressure from doctors to have anabortion. Yeah, it's worth it.43600:30:08.490 --> 00:30:14.250That baby's life is worth but ittook to get her her. It was43700:30:14.289 --> 00:30:15.769a little girl. Okay, ityes, a little girl. So wasn't43800:30:15.769 --> 00:30:19.490even a Leo? It turns outit wasn't a Leo. Yeah, which43900:30:19.650 --> 00:30:23.599is weird. Why I did Goduse the Word Leo, but he did,44000:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.440and and that was a see.We laughed about that when the little44100:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.119girl came out. It what?It's not Leo. What are you gonna44200:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.839call her? Yeah, Leanna,something with Yeah, God's amazing in what44300:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.390he allows us to be a partof. So this story was an encouragement44400:30:37.430 --> 00:30:41.750to you, guys, and asalways, you can reach out to me44500:30:41.150 --> 00:30:45.670or Vicky Daniel Love Life Dot Org, Vicky at Love Life Dot Org,44600:30:45.230 --> 00:30:49.500share maybe ideas for future podcast.We're probably going to continue to be sharing44700:30:49.579 --> 00:30:52.900some of these case studies and someprinciples that have to do with this,44800:30:52.099 --> 00:30:56.380because we've gotten some good feedback frompeople that these are encouraging to them,44900:30:56.940 --> 00:31:00.180and so we hope they're encouraging toyou and we hope this podcast is an45000:31:00.220 --> 00:31:06.490encouragement to you. Please share thispodcast and please leave us from good reviews45100:31:06.930 --> 00:31:11.690on our podcast. Whatever platform thatyou use to access these PODCASTS, I'm45200:31:11.690 --> 00:31:15.410sure there's some kind of comment orreview thing on there. 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