Jan. 14, 2021

Hard Cases: Cara Chose Life and Then Lost Her Twins

Hard Cases: Cara Chose Life and Then Lost Her Twins

Cara’s story was one of the most difficult we have dealt with but we believe the principles shared will equip and encourage you. In this episode and following episodes we’re going to share case studies, like Cara's, that we have personally...


Cara’s story was one of the most difficult we have dealt with but we believe the principles shared will equip and encourage you. In this episode and following episodes we’re going to share case studies, like Cara's, that we have personally encountered and how we dealt with the challenges presented. We hope the principles and lessons we have learned along the way will help you in your ministry on the sidewalk.

 

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.400 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me Lord, 2 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:11.429 I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcasts and this episode, 3 00:00:11.509 --> 00:00:13.990 in the following episodes, we're going to share with you some stories that 4 00:00:14.029 --> 00:00:18.190 we've encountered at the abortion centers and some principles that we learned in those stories 5 00:00:18.230 --> 00:00:24.980 to help equip you. So stay tuned. Me Lord, I felt show 6 00:00:25.660 --> 00:00:35.539 Passish, touch your heart. Use Me. All right. Well, welcome 7 00:00:35.579 --> 00:00:39.649 to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys tuning in and, 8 00:00:40.250 --> 00:00:44.409 as always, we appreciate if you guys would share this podcast with your friends, 9 00:00:44.490 --> 00:00:48.450 with your family members, people you love, people that maybe you want 10 00:00:48.490 --> 00:00:52.000 to love, you know, just picture you want to love you because the 11 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:57.159 podcast is so good. Amen. Amen. So please do share this podcast. 12 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.399 Please reach out to us. We always encourage you guys reach out to 13 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:04.629 us with questions that you have podcast ideas. Thanks you want us to cover. 14 00:01:06.790 --> 00:01:11.189 But actually we've decided that in these next couple of podcast now may not 15 00:01:11.349 --> 00:01:15.590 be all of the next like consecutive podcast because if we come up with other 16 00:01:15.670 --> 00:01:19.420 cool ideas and things we want to cover between we may we may throw those 17 00:01:19.459 --> 00:01:23.060 in there, but we really want to equip people that are out on the 18 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:26.859 sidewalk. That's the that's the focus of this gospel center pro life podcast. 19 00:01:26.180 --> 00:01:30.859 Obviously talk about prolife issues in light of the Gospel, but really equipping people 20 00:01:32.299 --> 00:01:34.849 who are out on the sidewalk at their local abortion center. And one of 21 00:01:34.849 --> 00:01:40.049 the things that we know from experience and from hearing from other people that are 22 00:01:40.049 --> 00:01:44.689 out on the sidewalk is the difficulty of dealing with these hard cases. Like, 23 00:01:44.849 --> 00:01:48.480 what do you say in different hard cases? What do you say when 24 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:52.760 a mom says I was raped? What do you say when a mom tells 25 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.200 you that she her baby's already dead? Yeah, or what do you say 26 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.079 with a woman coming to an abortion center who says her parents are going to 27 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.629 kick her out? Yeah, things like that. They can be hard situations. 28 00:02:04.629 --> 00:02:07.390 You've been counted some of those. I know I have even this week 29 00:02:07.430 --> 00:02:09.270 one of those. Yes, maybe, Wow, I'd say definitely all of 30 00:02:09.349 --> 00:02:15.030 the above right, all the time. Yeah. Now, you had to 31 00:02:15.069 --> 00:02:21.699 acknowledge that. Statistically, the things that people use to justify abortion, whether 32 00:02:21.699 --> 00:02:24.819 it be rape, incest to health of the mother, those are very rare 33 00:02:25.180 --> 00:02:29.860 to encounter at the abortion center. However, if you do ministry at an 34 00:02:29.900 --> 00:02:35.610 abortion center long enough, you will encounter those situations. You will encounter those 35 00:02:35.650 --> 00:02:38.729 hard cases and those are the ones that can really trip people up. Yeah, 36 00:02:38.810 --> 00:02:40.889 and really make it, you know, like what do I do? 37 00:02:42.009 --> 00:02:44.800 What do I say in the situation? Yeah, so truly helpful to hear 38 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:50.000 what other people us have said and how we have handled those situations. And 39 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.840 we have certainly not you'll see in this study. Well, actually not so 40 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:55.120 much in this study, the next study we're going to go over at that. 41 00:02:55.560 --> 00:03:00.310 Sometimes we don't handle it so well. So sometimes we're put on the 42 00:03:00.430 --> 00:03:04.469 spot and as we rethink what we did, we decide maybe there was a 43 00:03:04.550 --> 00:03:07.550 better way to deal with it, and so we're hoping through our experience, 44 00:03:07.629 --> 00:03:10.629 in our failures, that we can guide you and maybe doing things a little 45 00:03:10.669 --> 00:03:14.460 bit better than we did. Yeah, yes, so what we're going to 46 00:03:14.500 --> 00:03:20.020 be doing is not just giving you some one, two three principles, but 47 00:03:20.139 --> 00:03:23.900 actually we're going to be talking through an actual story that we've been a part 48 00:03:23.939 --> 00:03:28.009 of, that God allowed us to help a mom choose life in the midst 49 00:03:28.050 --> 00:03:31.370 of or maybe sometimes not choose life right, and we're going to be walking 50 00:03:31.449 --> 00:03:36.370 through sharing that story, but not just for the sake of sharing a cool 51 00:03:36.370 --> 00:03:39.729 story, but sharing some of the principles that were applied or that we may 52 00:03:39.849 --> 00:03:45.800 even failed to apply in that situation to bring out a good result. Yeah, 53 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:46.680 and then how we dealt with those. So we're going to be sharing 54 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.639 principles and kind of weaving those principles in to the story, again, an 55 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:57.750 actual story that played out here in Charlotte, and there's details. We didn't 56 00:03:57.750 --> 00:04:00.389 change any details really, but we did change the name. Maybe we didn't 57 00:04:00.389 --> 00:04:05.789 give super clarifying details right because we didn't want to. You didn't want to 58 00:04:05.789 --> 00:04:10.539 identify the person or anymore who might be listening to identify the person. So, 59 00:04:11.180 --> 00:04:13.300 but this is a real story. It is really has to worry and 60 00:04:13.300 --> 00:04:15.459 it would be really cool maybe in the comments sections, as you listen through 61 00:04:15.579 --> 00:04:19.339 this, to offer what you might have done that is different and maybe a 62 00:04:19.459 --> 00:04:24.060 lot of people can learn from each other on how this might have been handled 63 00:04:24.100 --> 00:04:26.769 other than how we handled it. Yeah, or maybe you just want to 64 00:04:26.810 --> 00:04:30.170 applaud us. Yeah, look like that too. Well, I think to 65 00:04:30.290 --> 00:04:32.769 me personally, I think even biblically, I like to learn from other people's 66 00:04:32.810 --> 00:04:38.449 mistakes. If you look through the Bible, yeah, and you see a 67 00:04:38.569 --> 00:04:42.800 man like Abraham, who made some pretty major mistakes. Did the Lord blessed 68 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.240 him, for sure, but he made mistakes and we can learn from Abraham's 69 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:49.360 mistake. We can learn from Moses mistakes, things that he didn't do quite 70 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.269 right. We can learn, course, from people's successes, but we can 71 00:04:53.310 --> 00:04:56.670 also learn from their failures and we can learn from our own successes and failures. 72 00:04:57.430 --> 00:05:00.230 I think that's a biblical principle. Yeah, and so we want you 73 00:05:00.230 --> 00:05:02.750 guys to learn from some of our failures and even some of our successes. 74 00:05:02.910 --> 00:05:05.709 So that's what we're going to be sharing in this story. Yeah, so 75 00:05:05.829 --> 00:05:10.620 in this story we changed her name. We're going to call her CARA, 76 00:05:10.939 --> 00:05:15.060 okay, and she I'm going to set the scene for you first. Okay, 77 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:18.620 so this this happened some years ago, so my memory actually is fuzzy 78 00:05:18.660 --> 00:05:23.889 on some of the details, but the important details her are accurate. Yeah, 79 00:05:24.050 --> 00:05:28.370 so she came early to the abortion center, beat long before opened and 80 00:05:28.490 --> 00:05:31.930 actually even before most of our team was there. There was only one team 81 00:05:32.009 --> 00:05:35.839 member there at the time when she pulled into the parking lot. That that 82 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:41.079 was Elisha, one of you, one of our men, and Elijah waved 83 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:46.439 to her offered help as they're pulling in and she pulled her car over to 84 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:48.040 him in tears. First of all, she parked and then came to him 85 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:53.990 in tears, and she told me later, as I was talking with her, 86 00:05:54.110 --> 00:06:00.350 she said that she instantly noticed his high top converse sneakers and smiled despite 87 00:06:00.350 --> 00:06:04.540 her tears and her deep sorrow, because she said he looks so young and 88 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:10.699 these are her words, so Dorky but kind. She could tell, and 89 00:06:10.980 --> 00:06:14.899 it's soon. Anyone who knows Elijah you know right away he's a kind and 90 00:06:15.180 --> 00:06:17.420 godly man, and so she knows he's kind of Dorky to he did. 91 00:06:19.769 --> 00:06:25.290 We Love alusha anyway. So that's that's kind of the scene. All right. 92 00:06:25.649 --> 00:06:30.250 So what are the the the most important points we can get just right 93 00:06:30.410 --> 00:06:32.959 off the bat? Yeah, from from what's going on. Well, I 94 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:39.439 mean the first point is be dorky point but kind. Yeah, because, 95 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.800 well, one of the principles is, and of course you wrote an article 96 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:46.439 going through this, so that's kind of the French we are going to post 97 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.949 along with that. So that's the framework that we're going through. is to 98 00:06:48.990 --> 00:06:55.029 be available. If Elijah wasn't there, yeah, then she wouldn't have had 99 00:06:55.269 --> 00:06:58.670 the the witness of a Christian standing out in front of the abortion center. 100 00:06:58.750 --> 00:07:01.540 So that's one of the first keys. I mean, listen you, you're 101 00:07:01.579 --> 00:07:05.300 not going to have situations that you encounter where you're going to have to deal 102 00:07:05.379 --> 00:07:10.100 with hard cases if you're not out there. So show up, be out 103 00:07:10.100 --> 00:07:14.420 there. That's like three quarters of the battle is just showing up and being 104 00:07:14.500 --> 00:07:17.050 out there on the sidewalk. Right, somebody has to be out there to 105 00:07:17.209 --> 00:07:23.370 give these babies a voice. And it's not just to it's not a ministry 106 00:07:24.250 --> 00:07:28.410 of really enjoyment. Right, even enjoy being out there means, since we 107 00:07:28.490 --> 00:07:30.920 do right, I enjoy being out there, but I don't enjoy being out 108 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.040 there. You know the yeah, what we need to be definitely, we 109 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.839 enjoy being there in obedience to God, but what we are going to encounter 110 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:41.319 is heartbreaking. Yeah, and and hard, yeah, and and so. 111 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.629 So you have to show up, and I think a corollary to just showing 112 00:07:45.670 --> 00:07:49.149 up is make sure you show up on time. Yeah, when you'RE gonna 113 00:07:49.350 --> 00:07:55.709 bear the most fruit. For example, the abortion center where this happened opens 114 00:07:55.790 --> 00:07:59.540 the doors as early as nine o'clock, certainly on Mondays, and women are 115 00:07:59.579 --> 00:08:03.220 sometimes lining up at a quarter to nine. Well, if no one's there, 116 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:09.660 like Elijah was when she arrived, he might have missed that golden opportunity 117 00:08:09.740 --> 00:08:11.379 to call out to her and she might not have come back out, yeah, 118 00:08:11.540 --> 00:08:15.810 once she had gone in. So show up and show up on time. 119 00:08:15.930 --> 00:08:18.610 Yeah, right. Yeah, and just a practical point with that, 120 00:08:18.250 --> 00:08:22.610 find out what time your local abortion center opens up. A lot of folks 121 00:08:22.769 --> 00:08:26.129 don't even know. They might know where the abortion center is, but don't 122 00:08:26.129 --> 00:08:28.680 know when time or what time it opens up. Being found a typically on 123 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.120 their website. Yeah, facebook, yeah, Google it. You'll find it, 124 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.480 and then try to be there earlier than they open up. Those can 125 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.679 be actually, in my experiences, some of the most fruitful times, fruitful 126 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.710 time. That's why I do it. Yeah, I got a lot of 127 00:08:41.789 --> 00:08:46.669 activity out there on the sidewalk, even not a lot of abortion patients in 128 00:08:46.710 --> 00:08:50.789 the parking lot, and so people are more apt to come and talk to 129 00:08:50.870 --> 00:08:54.509 you. I'll tell you. Also, I think there is the highest level 130 00:08:54.740 --> 00:09:00.179 of conflicts sometimes when they first pull up, okay, because so many women 131 00:09:00.379 --> 00:09:03.980 truly don't want to be there, but they feel there. You have no 132 00:09:03.100 --> 00:09:07.220 other choice. So as they're getting out of the car and they're seeing someone 133 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:11.529 already calling out about, hey, there's another choice, this isn't a good 134 00:09:11.570 --> 00:09:15.850 idea. Your baby's precious before God it, I think it. They're already 135 00:09:16.210 --> 00:09:20.289 heightened. Sense of conflict can sometimes be taken over the edge and then they'll 136 00:09:20.289 --> 00:09:24.009 go in and it will percolate. Yeah, and there. So you're so 137 00:09:24.169 --> 00:09:26.519 in the seeds as early as you possibly as possible. Yeah. Yeah, 138 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.440 and that's what happened in this situation with the lies you being there early. 139 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.320 Right, no one was there. Even the mobile unit wasn't there yet. 140 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.159 Right. And yet he was there. Thankfully. Kara came over and talk 141 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.669 to him. Yeah, and he was able to ultimately, when the mobile 142 00:09:39.710 --> 00:09:43.350 you didn't did come to get her to go on board the mobile unit. 143 00:09:43.389 --> 00:09:45.309 Yeah, but don't get ahead of this. I won't get ahead of the 144 00:09:45.389 --> 00:09:48.029 story. Okay, so the next the next part of the story. She 145 00:09:48.190 --> 00:09:50.710 came over to him and he asked her if she was here for an abortion 146 00:09:52.350 --> 00:09:54.860 and she admitted that she was, but said that she had no choice, 147 00:09:56.379 --> 00:10:00.740 and so he began asking questions. She was in an abusive relationship. The 148 00:10:00.899 --> 00:10:05.779 father was going to be going to jail. Yeah, but she knew that 149 00:10:07.330 --> 00:10:13.690 custody of her children would be partially his if she didn't kill the the baby. 150 00:10:15.370 --> 00:10:18.889 So she she knew that also he was going to be there. She 151 00:10:18.009 --> 00:10:24.360 was going to have to raise the baby alone, and she also knew that 152 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.000 if she had the baby, she was binding herself basically for the next eighteen 153 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.799 years to a man that she really knew. Now I need to get rid 154 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.429 of, I need to get out of this relationship. Yeah, those are 155 00:10:35.429 --> 00:10:39.830 serious. Yeah, those are seriously issues, but they help us then to 156 00:10:39.950 --> 00:10:46.149 kind of talk about our next major principle. Yeah, and that is determined 157 00:10:46.190 --> 00:10:50.059 the situation. Yeah, you got to ask questions. If a mom stops 158 00:10:50.139 --> 00:10:52.139 to talk to you, it's good to try to figure out why she's there 159 00:10:52.779 --> 00:10:56.580 and then, you know, one of the things that we teach our folks 160 00:10:56.620 --> 00:11:00.620 here locally is don't beat around the Bush. Don't talk about the weather. 161 00:11:00.820 --> 00:11:01.860 I mean, maybe you can get somebody to come over and talk to you 162 00:11:03.059 --> 00:11:05.690 that's milling around in the parking lot. You can talk about the weather, 163 00:11:05.769 --> 00:11:07.929 but a mom who stops to talk to you about whether in her vehicle or 164 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:11.009 just, you know, walking up to the abortion center, get right to 165 00:11:11.090 --> 00:11:13.610 it. Are you here for an abortion? And then try to figure out 166 00:11:13.610 --> 00:11:16.250 it's one of the things I want to get right to. What brings you 167 00:11:16.330 --> 00:11:20.840 here? What makes you feel like abortion is an option for you? Yeah, 168 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.919 so determining the situation is key because you can't employ any of the other 169 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.120 things, first and foremost, if you aren't there, like we talked about 170 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.320 that first principle. But then if you don't know why they're there, right, 171 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.870 and so determine the situation. Yeah, I have an example of when 172 00:11:35.990 --> 00:11:37.710 someone didn't do that. Elijah did a good job of doing that. He 173 00:11:37.789 --> 00:11:41.509 knew, he found out a really all the key elements. This morning, 174 00:11:41.789 --> 00:11:46.110 someone who is not with us but is a pro life person out on the 175 00:11:46.190 --> 00:11:50.580 sidewalk did have a car stop for him and he just started talking, just 176 00:11:50.740 --> 00:11:52.379 going on and on and on, basically about God, which is, you 177 00:11:52.460 --> 00:11:56.980 know, I'm not belittling that you should talk about God. But then the 178 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:01.769 car pulled away and I asked, tell me about the situation. Well, 179 00:12:01.809 --> 00:12:05.690 he knew nothing. So we had nothing to go on because he had talked 180 00:12:05.090 --> 00:12:11.210 without asking questions. So I think asking questions find out the situation is just 181 00:12:11.409 --> 00:12:13.970 really a key point. Absolutely all right. So then Elijah said, look, 182 00:12:15.169 --> 00:12:18.200 we can help you, and Elijah was I don't know how new. 183 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.000 He was so much was he was pretty new at that point, because there 184 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.639 was a few years ago, and he honestly what's going through his head is 185 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.149 I don't know what to do. But he said we can help you, 186 00:12:31.309 --> 00:12:35.590 and he literally said this to her. I'm not sure how we can help 187 00:12:35.669 --> 00:12:43.029 you, but I know someone who does know. Yeah, and and so 188 00:12:43.629 --> 00:12:48.940 he has her weight and he and he called me. Yeah. So, 189 00:12:48.100 --> 00:12:52.620 so we have a couple of principles then. Yeah, that a scripture that 190 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:58.379 comes to mind for this particular principle, which is trust that with God there 191 00:12:58.539 --> 00:13:01.409 is help available. Yeah, is a psalm forty six in verse one. 192 00:13:01.529 --> 00:13:07.370 God is our refuge and strength, the very present help in trouble. God 193 00:13:07.090 --> 00:13:13.399 does have help resources available for these women. Of course, spiritually he's offered 194 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.559 them South vaition through Jesus Christ and what he accomplished his in his death barren 195 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:22.080 resurrection. But also there's practical help and I know for me personally, I 196 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.509 know you'll bear witness with this. Even though right away in every situation maybe 197 00:13:26.549 --> 00:13:30.830 we don't necessarily have a resource in mind to meet whatever needs they have, 198 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:35.669 we know that there's something and that we can dig for that resource and we've 199 00:13:35.710 --> 00:13:39.909 been able to find. I mean there are so many resources that are available 200 00:13:39.950 --> 00:13:45.059 here in Charlotte, so many ministries and organizations that will meet these women's needs, 201 00:13:45.299 --> 00:13:48.379 that I can say with confidence, though we can't help you with every 202 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:54.820 possible aspect of every situation, we can help you in some measure with whatever 203 00:13:54.899 --> 00:13:58.250 situation that your face, right and if we don't know, we're going to 204 00:13:58.289 --> 00:14:01.450 find who can help you, which is which is indeed what what he did. 205 00:14:03.370 --> 00:14:09.529 And I didn't really know how to help in some of those situations, 206 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:16.480 but I instantly got on my computer and started googling domestic violence lawyers that could 207 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:20.399 could help for pro bono. I knew she didn't have a lot of money 208 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:28.389 and and so I gathered all of that information. And while I'm home gathering 209 00:14:28.470 --> 00:14:31.669 this information, the RV does show up. Yeah, that's our mobile ultrasound 210 00:14:31.710 --> 00:14:37.710 unit through help pregnancy center, and the woman counselor that that would be able 211 00:14:37.750 --> 00:14:41.419 to go on the RV with Kara also showed up. Our nurse was still 212 00:14:41.460 --> 00:14:48.259 not there, but right away what we knew, what Angela was the counselor, 213 00:14:48.580 --> 00:14:54.610 and Angela knew get this mom to a place of safety, onto that 214 00:14:54.809 --> 00:15:00.929 RV, away from the pull of the abortion center. Yeahh and Angela sat 215 00:15:00.970 --> 00:15:05.649 her down and started talking with her. Yeah. So that leads to kind 216 00:15:05.690 --> 00:15:11.000 of the next principle. Yeah, yeah, and the principle is something we 217 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.120 talked about in a podcast months ago. You remember our podcast about the unity 218 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:20.039 of the body. Yeah, and just different pieces of the body of Christ 219 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.629 working together in unity, but in particular with your team and with people who 220 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:28.149 around you, people that you know, people in your church that you can 221 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:31.789 utilize using team members. Maybe you don't know what the answer is and seems 222 00:15:31.830 --> 00:15:35.379 like here in Charlotte everybody thinks that Vicky is the resource for everything, and 223 00:15:35.500 --> 00:15:39.500 she actually is. He has a lot of knowledge, a lot of experience 224 00:15:39.580 --> 00:15:43.539 and connecting mombs with resources, and so people utilize you. A lot of 225 00:15:43.580 --> 00:15:46.899 times the utilize me, which is fine. Angela is also another great resource, 226 00:15:48.019 --> 00:15:50.490 another person that we can get on the phone with and say, Hey, 227 00:15:50.529 --> 00:15:52.409 Angela, we have a mom in this particular situation. Can Be can 228 00:15:52.450 --> 00:15:56.409 you dig for resources here? Right, even if there are people that I 229 00:15:56.529 --> 00:16:00.690 mean I know Elijah. He said, as we were just talking earlier before 230 00:16:00.690 --> 00:16:04.039 we started recording this podcast, his wife is available. She's pregnant with twins 231 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.559 and waiting for the phone to ring, and I mean waiting for the phone 232 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.080 to ring. So maybe even having people, getting people to volunteer who maybe 233 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.840 maybe they can't be on the sidewalk for whatever reason. Maybe they're a homeschool 234 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.909 mom with four or five kids and they can't be out there on the sidewalk 235 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:22.549 or whatever, but maybe they could be available right to get on the phone 236 00:16:22.590 --> 00:16:25.470 to you, call them up and say, Hey, I need you to 237 00:16:25.549 --> 00:16:30.070 search for housing resources right away, I need you to search for adoption resources. 238 00:16:30.149 --> 00:16:33.740 If you don't have those things, those resources already compiled, you can 239 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:37.980 have that person do those things. For utilizing your team or you building a 240 00:16:37.059 --> 00:16:41.580 team and then utilizing that team right is also very helpful. Right. Yeah, 241 00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:45.220 and so we kind of combined a section. So using the team members, 242 00:16:45.340 --> 00:16:49.809 but also that be prepared to offer resources. Is is one of the 243 00:16:51.529 --> 00:16:53.690 other principles with that use the team members and then, if you don't have 244 00:16:53.929 --> 00:16:56.970 resources, and you kind of touched on this, develop them. Yeah, 245 00:16:57.049 --> 00:17:03.320 and that's why I do have a lot of resources kind of at my fingertips. 246 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:07.440 Is I was I did develop a general resource list for our ministry. 247 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.480 I developed off of what someone else had already started but then they added things. 248 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:17.029 So we do have a good sized list. But did it through Google. 249 00:17:17.230 --> 00:17:21.349 Yeah, so it didn't take any special genius. Is a tremendous resource. 250 00:17:21.390 --> 00:17:23.990 It really. I mean I'm pretty sure the CEO of Google and the 251 00:17:25.069 --> 00:17:29.230 higher ups and Google would not appreciate how we use Google in such an effective 252 00:17:29.309 --> 00:17:30.859 'm not sure to bring pro life. I don't think they're pro live. 253 00:17:30.859 --> 00:17:34.019 I think they're pretty proabortion. Yeah, but we use Google all the time 254 00:17:34.420 --> 00:17:40.059 to dig for new resources and we find stuff all the time. There's stuff 255 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:42.859 here in Charlotte, but there's stuff be on. I know at one point 256 00:17:42.900 --> 00:17:45.730 we had, maybe we'll share that story. At some point we had a 257 00:17:45.809 --> 00:17:49.410 mother who came who was a drug addict, who was pregnant. Yeah, 258 00:17:49.450 --> 00:17:52.450 and we got on Google. Believe you did or somebody did, got on 259 00:17:52.529 --> 00:17:56.210 Google and found that there was actually a maternity home that takes mothers who were 260 00:17:56.250 --> 00:18:00.400 addicted and we didn't know about it. Now. And how did we find 261 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:02.920 it? Yeah, by good founding, by thank yeah, I put in 262 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.079 the the keywords. Yeah, and so yeah, knowing the resources and and 263 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:12.589 kind of another part of what Angela did was she really helped to calm Carra 264 00:18:12.789 --> 00:18:18.069 down and let her. Know, this is not what your whole next you 265 00:18:18.150 --> 00:18:22.710 know twenty years of your life is going to be. What you're experiencing right 266 00:18:22.750 --> 00:18:27.500 now is not forever. Yeah, and to remind them the situation, the 267 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:33.539 fears that it's going to change, this is not permanent. What you're facing 268 00:18:33.619 --> 00:18:37.940 right now is not permanent. Yeah, because they do feel like it's forever. 269 00:18:37.259 --> 00:18:40.980 When you're in crisis, it feels like it will never change. The 270 00:18:41.140 --> 00:18:45.730 sense of crisis will never ever change. Yeah. So, so, so, 271 00:18:45.930 --> 00:18:49.250 while Angela's trying to calm her down, the nurse arrives and in order 272 00:18:49.289 --> 00:18:53.170 to do the ultrasound on the help mobile unit you have to have the nurse. 273 00:18:53.250 --> 00:18:59.839 So that the nurse arrives and goes over the Medical City history and takes 274 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:04.319 her back to look at her baby and what turned out to be babies. 275 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.960 Yeah, we don't white remember, again, this was a few years ago, 276 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:12.029 whether she already knew she was having twins or whether it was revealed to 277 00:19:12.150 --> 00:19:18.470 her on the RV. I honestly just don't remember. But anyway about about 278 00:19:18.509 --> 00:19:22.190 it, she was having twins and they were clear. Yeah, on on 279 00:19:22.349 --> 00:19:29.460 that ultrasound and when she saw those babies, that begins to change. Everything. 280 00:19:29.500 --> 00:19:34.339 Yeah, which leads to if you're able, another very important principle. 281 00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:38.130 Yeah, it's a connect them with their baby, show them their baby as 282 00:19:38.170 --> 00:19:42.890 soon as possible. Right. I don't believe that ultrasound is the only tool, 283 00:19:44.089 --> 00:19:47.049 but ultrasound is a powerful tool, let me tell you. It is 284 00:19:47.089 --> 00:19:49.569 a window into the womb. It is and if you can connect that mother 285 00:19:49.650 --> 00:19:53.200 with her baby, she's already connected. You know, the Lord has already 286 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:56.680 given her that baby and literally that baby is connected to her. Yeah, 287 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:02.640 but if you can connect her mentally and emotionally with that child and visually with 288 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.880 that baby, that is a powerful way to help her to choose life. 289 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:11.349 So as soon as possible. We thankfully have that mobile unit with help pregnancy 290 00:20:11.349 --> 00:20:15.349 center there an awesome partner. There's ministries like them that bring their mobile units 291 00:20:15.430 --> 00:20:19.230 to the abortion clinics and maybe you can partner with them. Maybe that's already 292 00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:22.380 there and I encourage you to build a good relationship with them if you're able 293 00:20:22.420 --> 00:20:26.740 to do that. But maybe you don't have that. Maybe there's a pregnancy 294 00:20:26.740 --> 00:20:30.579 center next door, maybe there's a pregnancy center fifteen minutes down the road from 295 00:20:30.579 --> 00:20:36.329 the abortion center. We have sibbolt missionaries in New York who have been accustomed 296 00:20:36.369 --> 00:20:37.690 to if a mom is there, they don't have a mobile unit parked right 297 00:20:37.730 --> 00:20:41.609 there. But if a mom is there the abortion center and she wants a 298 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:45.650 free ultrasound, they'll get her to go into the car with them if they're 299 00:20:45.650 --> 00:20:48.609 willing to. And these women are typically coming in New York, they're coming 300 00:20:48.609 --> 00:20:52.559 from public transportation, so they don't have a vehicle there to hey follow me, 301 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.680 so they'll hop in the car with them. They'll drive the young lady 302 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.240 over to the appointment. They'll call him up ahead of time, drive them 303 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.720 to the appointment to get a free ultrasound, even weight on them, drive 304 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.230 them home and get them away from the abortion center. Yeah, that's really 305 00:21:07.269 --> 00:21:12.349 Assorton and to see their baby, and the ultrasound does dispel the the myth 306 00:21:12.829 --> 00:21:18.069 that that this is just a clump of cells. But even I discovered something 307 00:21:18.109 --> 00:21:22.500 again in my past few days of counseling a Teena I'm counseling, where she 308 00:21:22.819 --> 00:21:26.740 refused to go to the ultrasound to go see her child because she knew she 309 00:21:26.779 --> 00:21:33.769 would bond with the child. So I sent her video of a child a 310 00:21:33.849 --> 00:21:37.170 little bit older than her baby in the womb and said, look at this, 311 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:40.369 this is a mom I just counsel a few days ago, and when 312 00:21:40.490 --> 00:21:45.130 she saw that that was one of the turning points for her because she said, 313 00:21:45.289 --> 00:21:49.119 oh my goodness, this is actually a baby and and it really occurred 314 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:53.279 to her, maybe for the first time, that the pro choice lies that 315 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:57.440 she had bought were just that relies. This was a baby in the womb. 316 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.789 And if you so, if you you have no access or they refuse 317 00:22:00.869 --> 00:22:04.750 and ultrasound. Have a video of an art sound. Use the see baby, 318 00:22:04.990 --> 00:22:08.950 see baby. It's a free APP. It shows the baby in an 319 00:22:08.990 --> 00:22:14.109 ultrasound at every week of development. Also, the necessarily a pro life at 320 00:22:14.150 --> 00:22:19.019 sea. It's not. It's just a scientific APP that shows the development of 321 00:22:19.339 --> 00:22:23.420 a baby through every week of life from zero to forty, and that those 322 00:22:23.539 --> 00:22:32.890 can be really, really helpful. So so while then Angela's on the RV 323 00:22:33.089 --> 00:22:37.930 with Kara, she starts talking about the baby shower that we provide. That 324 00:22:37.970 --> 00:22:41.329 will provide two years for the twins needs. We talked about the mentorship program 325 00:22:41.529 --> 00:22:48.519 we could provide. We also talked about placing the twins in the arms of 326 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:53.440 a loving adoptive family, and the reason Angela brought that up is because Kara 327 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:57.670 brought it up. Kara said she was in really no place, about to 328 00:22:59.029 --> 00:23:03.750 divorce, this abuse of husband on his way to prison and she just without 329 00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:07.710 a job at there are a lot of things going on in her life and 330 00:23:07.829 --> 00:23:11.349 said I don't I don't know how I comparent. And so we began to 331 00:23:11.430 --> 00:23:15.299 explore Angela, began to explore the option of adoption. Yeah, with her. 332 00:23:15.579 --> 00:23:22.779 So that kind of leads to our next major principle in a situation where 333 00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:26.289 this woman has really some pretty significant needs. Yeah, yeah, and that 334 00:23:26.369 --> 00:23:30.450 point is solidify that choice, that choice for life. Yes, you've connect 335 00:23:30.650 --> 00:23:34.970 them with their baby, you've shared with them resources by arranging appointments and showers 336 00:23:36.049 --> 00:23:40.049 to look forward to. So give them because that's how the abortion clinic does 337 00:23:40.089 --> 00:23:42.759 it. Not Saying we copy the the yeah world's ways or anything like that, 338 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:47.000 but the abortion clinic trys to get them locked into an appointment right away, 339 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:49.359 follows up with them, calls them, Hey, your appointment is in 340 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.559 such and such day at such and such a time. We've even have women 341 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:57.269 who have chosen life who left the abortion clinic in the abortion clinic calls them 342 00:23:57.269 --> 00:24:00.349 up later on in the day say hey, you missed your appointment, but 343 00:24:00.430 --> 00:24:02.750 we can set up another appointment for you. They want to get them locked 344 00:24:02.789 --> 00:24:06.549 into an appointment. Well, we can use that same method and get them 345 00:24:06.589 --> 00:24:08.750 set up with an appointment for a baby char let's say you have a local 346 00:24:08.869 --> 00:24:12.700 church that's willing to do baby shower. Figure that out as quick as you 347 00:24:12.700 --> 00:24:15.980 can with that local church and put it down on the calendar with her right 348 00:24:17.019 --> 00:24:18.900 there. If you can do it, maybe your church is fully on board 349 00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:22.740 with being out there on the sidewalk and you know your church on a Saturday 350 00:24:22.779 --> 00:24:26.009 afternoon we'll be willing to do it. Look on your calendar right there on 351 00:24:26.089 --> 00:24:27.930 the RV or right there on the sidewalk and say, okay, so can 352 00:24:27.970 --> 00:24:32.650 we pin your you're such and such along, so we probably could do a 353 00:24:32.730 --> 00:24:36.569 baby shower for you this many months and so let's pin it down on the 354 00:24:36.609 --> 00:24:40.599 calendar this Saturday. Now that date may change or whatever, but if you 355 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:42.839 can pin that day down, really what you're doing is given them something to 356 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:48.400 look forward to. That can be really helpful. If maybe you're maybe you 357 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.440 don't have again a mobile unit. Maybe it's a pregnancy center that's down the 358 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:55.269 road and maybe they're not open. That day. Some of them aren't open, 359 00:24:55.309 --> 00:24:59.390 unfortunately, on Saturdays. Maybe you can call up and get in a 360 00:24:59.710 --> 00:25:02.069 pointment. A lot of these places, these pregnancy centers, that are not 361 00:25:02.150 --> 00:25:04.470 open on Saturdays, still can make appointments and things like that. They'll have 362 00:25:04.509 --> 00:25:08.740 an appointment line. Get Her an appointment, get her a follow up appointment, 363 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:12.140 like on at help with their mobile unit. We try to get them 364 00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:15.819 a follow up appointment beyond the mobile unit in the initial appointment. Get them 365 00:25:15.859 --> 00:25:18.980 a follow up appointment in a couple of weeks to follow up, to keep 366 00:25:19.059 --> 00:25:22.490 them in the loop, to give them something to look forward to and to 367 00:25:22.609 --> 00:25:26.930 give them really a vision for the future and what God wants to do in 368 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:30.490 their lives. Yeah, and they they're so hesitant to cancel an appointment. 369 00:25:30.569 --> 00:25:34.049 I have had women agree with everything I've said when they've stopped and say, 370 00:25:34.089 --> 00:25:37.039 yeah, this is a baby, no, I don't want to do it, 371 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.920 and they've come on the RV maybe and seeing the baby, but they'll 372 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.240 they'll be so concerned that they haven't canceled their appointment yet at the abortion center. 373 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.160 Yeah, so they're it's kind of funny, but I see that a 374 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:55.029 lot. So giving them an appointment that solidifies life rather than death. Yeah, 375 00:25:55.069 --> 00:26:00.069 I'd like to put the abortion point appointment. So Angelo and I both 376 00:26:00.150 --> 00:26:03.990 followed up with Kara for several weeks, particularly the most critical time is in 377 00:26:03.029 --> 00:26:07.380 that the first couple days. But we both stayed in touch with her. 378 00:26:07.420 --> 00:26:11.819 At this time in the history of love life, I don't think they had 379 00:26:11.900 --> 00:26:15.099 yet started or the mentorship program was just starting, and that's the ministry that 380 00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:19.930 we've now merged with, which does provide mentorship programs for these women. Who 381 00:26:21.009 --> 00:26:22.809 is going to do the mentors? The one that is going to link them 382 00:26:22.849 --> 00:26:26.769 with the resources, has the backing of the Church? Is going to do 383 00:26:26.849 --> 00:26:30.970 the baby shower? Is gonna Disciple and share the Gospel? But we didn't 384 00:26:30.970 --> 00:26:36.720 have that yet, and so Angela and I were the ones that that did 385 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:41.079 that follow up and and during that time we connected her with the brick and 386 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:47.549 mortar how pregnancy resource center, which provides all kinds of classes and things for 387 00:26:47.670 --> 00:26:52.230 for MOMS that are vulnerable. But then we also found through love life, 388 00:26:52.430 --> 00:26:56.269 a family that was going to adopt both the twins. Yeah, that Kara 389 00:26:56.390 --> 00:27:00.579 loved. She loved the family she was and she was feeling good about she 390 00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:07.180 was going to bring these twins to birth and then place them in the arms 391 00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:11.420 of this wonderful other family. And that leads to another very important principle. 392 00:27:11.859 --> 00:27:17.690 Yeah, this is a discipleship opportunity. It's your mom chooses live. Yeah, 393 00:27:17.930 --> 00:27:19.970 this is an opportunity for us to disciple her. God wants to break 394 00:27:21.009 --> 00:27:23.049 that cycle that's in their life, that cycle of sin that leads them to 395 00:27:23.130 --> 00:27:27.650 the abortion center. That happens through the power of the Gospel and through discipleship. 396 00:27:27.809 --> 00:27:32.920 Yeah, so discipleship is important. So and in their lives, mentorship, 397 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:36.880 all that's important, and then following up with them. One of the 398 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.240 things that we say is that these women have often times in their lives been 399 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.630 betray they've been given promises or made promises that people didn't keep. It's been 400 00:27:45.670 --> 00:27:47.990 a lot of betrayal. We don't want to be a part of that. 401 00:27:48.269 --> 00:27:49.630 So we want to follow up and we want to do what we said we 402 00:27:49.710 --> 00:27:52.390 were going to do. If we said we're going to connect them with resources, 403 00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:57.109 if we said we're going to call them tomorrow, then call them tomorrow. 404 00:27:57.150 --> 00:28:00.220 If we say, and a lot of times what you do here locally 405 00:28:00.619 --> 00:28:03.740 and what most of our counselors do, is if they encounter a mom on 406 00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:07.579 the sidewalk that chooses life. They actually follow up with her that day, 407 00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:11.299 right later on that afternoon, and most people in this day and age like 408 00:28:11.420 --> 00:28:15.009 a text instead of a call, and it's very the chest if it's easy 409 00:28:15.170 --> 00:28:21.130 to do with the text. Yeah, and I think staying in contact for 410 00:28:21.410 --> 00:28:23.970 the next couple of days is really important. How are you doing? Yeah, 411 00:28:25.329 --> 00:28:27.319 how are you? There's some things I can pray with you about. 412 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:32.720 Things like that are really helpful. Maybe even reminding them of their appointment. 413 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.200 You know, we did make an appointment at that pregnancy center down the road. 414 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.880 You know, just want to reminds you that, not being you don't 415 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:42.589 want to be too intrusive, you're not trying to dig in their business and 416 00:28:42.630 --> 00:28:45.710 you're not trying to be, you know, trying to be pushy or anything 417 00:28:45.789 --> 00:28:48.750 like that, but just in a concerning way, follow up with them. 418 00:28:48.789 --> 00:28:52.230 Yeah, and encourage them. Yeah, one of the things I want to 419 00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:56.059 mention that I intended to mention the couple of previous points when we talked about 420 00:28:56.059 --> 00:29:00.180 the pregnancy centers and things like that. Just a practical point for you guys. 421 00:29:00.500 --> 00:29:03.339 If there is a pregnancy center down the road, maybe ten or fifteen 422 00:29:03.339 --> 00:29:06.460 minutes, make out a map of that pregnancy center, do it on like 423 00:29:06.500 --> 00:29:08.859 a little card or something like that, and then on that little card, 424 00:29:08.900 --> 00:29:12.130 I mean you can do stuff on vista print really cheap nowadays. You can 425 00:29:12.170 --> 00:29:15.970 use, I use an APP online called canva where you can create stuff really 426 00:29:17.009 --> 00:29:19.009 easily. You can make out a map of where that pregnancy center is from 427 00:29:19.009 --> 00:29:22.890 the abortion center and maybe even on that right the appointment time and day. 428 00:29:22.890 --> 00:29:26.599 If you as a great main an appointment, if they're going to go and 429 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.599 they're not going to jump in the car with you and you're going to drive 430 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:30.519 them there and they're not going to follow you there, but they're going to 431 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.359 go themselves, go ahead and call ahead. That's an important thing that I 432 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.960 did want to mention, so we didn't miss that one. But follow up 433 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:42.269 is really important. discipleship is really important in the follow up really is discipleship, 434 00:29:42.509 --> 00:29:45.269 because what you do, I think is really awesome, Vicki, is 435 00:29:45.349 --> 00:29:48.630 you follow up with them and you've got women that you followed up with for, 436 00:29:49.069 --> 00:29:52.539 I mean, what five, six, seven years that you send an 437 00:29:52.539 --> 00:29:56.059 email out to them every morning with a different scripture, and it's just a 438 00:29:56.140 --> 00:30:00.900 way of discipleship. Yeah, some response like et responses all the time, 439 00:30:00.980 --> 00:30:07.140 and if it's if it's someone like sadly, last night, actually early early 440 00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:11.250 this morning, I got the text from someone who is currently miscarrying, one 441 00:30:11.289 --> 00:30:15.730 of those moms that I follow, and she said that she was not up 442 00:30:15.769 --> 00:30:18.730 to talking and that I would not hear from her today. Totally understand that, 443 00:30:19.049 --> 00:30:23.440 but I as I was doing my morning figuring out which scripture to send, 444 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.039 I really thought and prayed about her. Yeah, and and I made 445 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:33.160 it specific to her situation, though it was something that would benefit anyone reading 446 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.309 it, but because she, of all of them I know, was going 447 00:30:37.430 --> 00:30:41.630 through a really rough time, I really tailored what I sent out this morning 448 00:30:41.150 --> 00:30:45.190 to her. And I was going to say in terms of the follow up, 449 00:30:45.750 --> 00:30:51.980 it should be relational and reminding and painting vision, but I do believe 450 00:30:52.339 --> 00:30:56.420 were always it should include a reference to God in some way, a real 451 00:30:56.940 --> 00:31:03.619 a reminder of why we're choosing life from a the bigger picture. Yeah, 452 00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:08.529 the Biblical standpoint, God's Lens of why choosing life is so valuable, so 453 00:31:08.690 --> 00:31:15.490 important. So so follow up. So so we did. Angel and I 454 00:31:15.609 --> 00:31:19.480 both stayed in touch. There were many struggles. The struggles continued folks when 455 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.960 they choose life, it's really just the beginning. We are not here to 456 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.039 lie to them and say that your life is going to automatically change. It 457 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.680 doesn't, right and and you don't want to set them up for failure in 458 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.630 anger at God by making that false promise. Yeah, in most cases that 459 00:31:34.829 --> 00:31:41.269 is not what happens. But her she had a really rough relationship with her 460 00:31:41.430 --> 00:31:47.539 mother in particular, and I was able to actually call her mother. I 461 00:31:47.740 --> 00:31:51.779 honestly don't remember all the circumstances about how that came about, but I know 462 00:31:51.940 --> 00:31:56.900 that there were some nasty stuff going on with the mom and I felt that 463 00:31:56.059 --> 00:32:01.329 the only way that Cara was going to be nurtured and remain firm in her 464 00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:07.690 choice for life was if I could somehow help smooth the relationship with her mother. 465 00:32:07.730 --> 00:32:12.369 Yeah, and I did, and and it did help. And so 466 00:32:12.890 --> 00:32:16.680 that leads to another you can't always do this, but it is another principle. 467 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.519 If you're able to, yeah, absolutely, if you're able to address 468 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.920 the circumstances in their environment, in the things that are going on their life. 469 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.789 When a woman leaves the abortion center having chosen life, she's still going 470 00:32:30.029 --> 00:32:35.349 back to the same environment. Hey, the same family situation, the same 471 00:32:35.430 --> 00:32:39.150 marriage situation, the same situation with her parents or or with whoever, with 472 00:32:39.269 --> 00:32:44.859 her boyfriend or whatever. And so if you can address those issues and you 473 00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:47.420 can take care of those things, because if the devil will have his way, 474 00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:51.900 obviously she would kill her baby and when she goes back into that same 475 00:32:51.980 --> 00:32:53.500 situation that led her to that place, the devil's going to still try to 476 00:32:53.539 --> 00:32:58.019 use those same things, those same influences, to be able to get her 477 00:32:58.059 --> 00:33:00.289 to go back to the abortion center. We've had women, and I think 478 00:33:00.329 --> 00:33:06.049 we did share on a podcast some time ago about a young lady who came 479 00:33:06.569 --> 00:33:09.769 like five, four or five different times to the abortion center to a board. 480 00:33:09.849 --> 00:33:14.480 Yeah, and yet always do this. Of course, you can't get 481 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.119 ahold of the mom like you did in care of situation or the husband or 482 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.400 whatever. Yeah, but if it's possible and you can even talk to the 483 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.400 family members. Now that's getting a little bold right, dealing with the mom 484 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:28.150 who's pressing her to abort, but if the Lord opens up that door, 485 00:33:28.710 --> 00:33:30.390 do it. I've talked to DAD's, I've talked to young men that are 486 00:33:30.390 --> 00:33:35.910 pressing their girlfriend to have an abortion and being able to help talk them down 487 00:33:36.109 --> 00:33:40.029 from being a jerk and pressing her to have the abortion. I've had lunch. 488 00:33:40.390 --> 00:33:44.180 I remember one young man that I went and had lunch with him. 489 00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:47.700 His girlfriend had come to the abortion clinic. He was not really pressure in 490 00:33:47.779 --> 00:33:52.779 her to have the abortion, but he was really apathetic toward the abortion and 491 00:33:52.900 --> 00:33:54.809 he could care less. And so I was able to have lunch with him 492 00:33:55.130 --> 00:33:59.130 and the Lord said that whole thing. I got his phone number actually from 493 00:33:59.130 --> 00:34:04.170 her after she had chosen life. Had lunch with him, really drilled into 494 00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:07.130 him as much as I could some biblical truth about manhood, about being a 495 00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:10.119 father, being what God has called him to be as a father, and 496 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:16.239 was really addressing those environmental situation yes in her life and it made a difference. 497 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.360 Yeah, I don't know for how long, but he definitely stepped up 498 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.349 to the plate to at least to some degree. I remember that situation. 499 00:34:24.349 --> 00:34:31.590 Frequently you will encounter teens or young people who are terrified of telling their mother 500 00:34:31.869 --> 00:34:37.110 and we always offer we're happy to tell her with you, either on a 501 00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:42.699 call or will come visit and we'll we'll talk with your mom with you, 502 00:34:42.860 --> 00:34:47.940 and that's sometimes gives those teens or young people the courage to choose life because 503 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:52.260 they know they've got an ally. Yes, gonna go and talk with their 504 00:34:52.340 --> 00:34:54.889 mom. I know we had one situation with a brother who used to be 505 00:34:54.929 --> 00:34:58.570 out here. He's actually since move. Him and his wife have moved to 506 00:34:58.610 --> 00:35:01.650 Tennessee Tom and Carolyn. Okay, yeah, awesome couple. They are older 507 00:35:01.769 --> 00:35:06.690 couple and they're grandparents at this point, right, but just godly people. 508 00:35:06.809 --> 00:35:08.639 And there was a young lady that came to the abortions hitter here on the 509 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.119 trobe drive and her main fear was telling her parents about the fact that she 510 00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.440 was pregnant. She came on board the Mobile Unit. She chose if she 511 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:19.800 didn't want to have the abortion, but she was afraid of her parents and 512 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.550 what they would say. And so tom and Carolyn said, Hey, will 513 00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:27.710 follow you home and we'll share it with your mom and with your dad. 514 00:35:27.909 --> 00:35:30.869 will do it, and they actually did. They went that day, okay, 515 00:35:30.989 --> 00:35:32.269 and I think she lived like an hour and a half, two hours 516 00:35:32.269 --> 00:35:37.780 away, and they sat down with her parents talk from because Tom is a 517 00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:42.940 pastor and so he talked from a pastoral perspective and they're actually still friends with 518 00:35:43.099 --> 00:35:47.059 that mom and with her mother, that young lady that chose life and with 519 00:35:47.179 --> 00:35:51.730 the mother and the father to this day. From my understanding, they still 520 00:35:51.730 --> 00:35:54.610 keep in touch from Tom Yeah, and I mean that is going the extra 521 00:35:54.730 --> 00:35:59.730 mile, but it truly can make the difference. It often is the deciding 522 00:35:59.849 --> 00:36:02.809 factor, especially with teens. They're afraid to tell their mom's life or death 523 00:36:02.849 --> 00:36:07.440 hinges on. What's going to give them the courage to tell their mom? 524 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.440 Yeah, so really, really important principle. Absolutely. Yeah, I want 525 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.039 to encourage you, guys, because we're sharing maybe some some stuff. Like 526 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:16.440 some of you guys are just brand new, some of you are maybe not 527 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.750 even on the sidewalking maybe you're getting afraid, like, ooh, I can't 528 00:36:20.750 --> 00:36:23.030 be involved in all of this. Neither could we. I'm just telling you 529 00:36:23.309 --> 00:36:28.869 from just our natural mindsets and perspective, I could never be involved in these 530 00:36:28.909 --> 00:36:32.059 situations. Yeah, God is not invested in keeping you in your comfort zone. 531 00:36:32.380 --> 00:36:36.219 God is invested in making you more like Jesus, and a lot of 532 00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:38.179 times that's you getting out of your comfort zone. God's not going to put 533 00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:43.739 you in a situation that he can't handle through you. You've got to trust 534 00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:46.099 the Lord and all of these things. You've got to trust the Lord that 535 00:36:46.170 --> 00:36:50.050 he's going to give you the words to say. Will Give you some principles. 536 00:36:50.090 --> 00:36:52.849 Right, we're giving you some principles. We can never tell you everything 537 00:36:52.969 --> 00:36:54.610 to say just right. God will give you what to say. God will 538 00:36:54.650 --> 00:36:59.449 give you the how to say what you need to say in the moment. 539 00:36:59.610 --> 00:37:01.440 You've got to trust him. It's what's so important that you need to be. 540 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.320 Need to be walking with the Lord Man when you're out there on the 541 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.840 side. Yeah, and you may not have to do all this your first 542 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:14.960 time. I like you know it. I think God is so gracious in 543 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.510 bringing you gradually to the place that you need to be to be able to 544 00:37:20.590 --> 00:37:23.230 be yeah, you know, as effective as possible he will. He will 545 00:37:23.230 --> 00:37:27.309 guide you, lead you along the way, and he doesn't do it all 546 00:37:27.349 --> 00:37:30.179 at once. It's just like through the promised land. He didn't take them 547 00:37:30.219 --> 00:37:32.219 in one day or it was only supposed to take really five days, ten 548 00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:35.780 days, something like that. took him forty years. Yeah, because he 549 00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:39.300 does lead US under at our pace, at our ability to move forward, 550 00:37:39.340 --> 00:37:44.570 but he does try to move us forward. So that's a really great principle. 551 00:37:45.329 --> 00:37:50.329 So next we had shared the Gospel. Kara did submit her life to 552 00:37:50.449 --> 00:37:57.170 Jesus. Whenever that happens. That is monumental. Yeah, because that is 553 00:37:57.289 --> 00:38:00.840 going to you can keep going back when they waiver, and they will even 554 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.639 carrot did, and it happens in my experience almost every time. Once there's 555 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.960 been a choice for life, there is still wavering back and forth. And 556 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.159 when they do, if they're honest and tell you, which some of them 557 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.590 do, especially the ones who have committed their life to the Lord, then 558 00:38:15.670 --> 00:38:19.909 you can say, but wait, you've just committed your life to Jesus. 559 00:38:19.949 --> 00:38:22.989 Jesus himself says, why do you call me Lord, Lord and not do 560 00:38:22.110 --> 00:38:28.420 what I say? Do you think that God would now have you? Well, 561 00:38:28.579 --> 00:38:31.980 ever, but especially now, kill your baby and and you've got that 562 00:38:32.139 --> 00:38:37.260 kind of extra push to know, be firm in the commitment you just made. 563 00:38:38.019 --> 00:38:42.409 So she's growing leaps and bounds in the Lord she appeared to be. 564 00:38:42.610 --> 00:38:45.369 She was just on fire. Yeah, Jesus. And what we're talking about 565 00:38:45.369 --> 00:38:50.570 now, this is kind of after the encounter at the abortion center. She's 566 00:38:50.570 --> 00:38:54.130 chosen life. You followed up, you've discipled. She's been connected with appointments 567 00:38:54.210 --> 00:38:58.079 and things like that, and Angela's well, it wasn't just me. She's 568 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.000 being mentored and being discipled right so she's solid. She's walking with the Lord 569 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.679 Right. He's yeah, you're going well in her life and our walk with 570 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.360 Lord. Her situations still not a bet of roses, but there's getting to 571 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.070 change. So the abuse of husband was out of the picture now. I 572 00:39:10.110 --> 00:39:14.469 think he was in jail at that point. So, so he's out of 573 00:39:14.510 --> 00:39:16.829 the picture. She had started the adoption process and that is all lined up 574 00:39:16.869 --> 00:39:21.909 and ready to go and it looks like she's on a great path and she 575 00:39:22.269 --> 00:39:28.380 is loving God and so excited about what God has done and she's falling in 576 00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:31.380 love with the twins. At this point she is still planning to place them 577 00:39:31.420 --> 00:39:37.809 for adoption, but she loved them. And then tragedy strikes. And don't 578 00:39:37.849 --> 00:39:43.570 be surprised if, if tragedy does strike, like I just described today, 579 00:39:43.610 --> 00:39:49.489 there's a mom who chose life and then she's miscarrying. It does happen. 580 00:39:49.690 --> 00:39:53.880 Yeah, and so what happened with Kara is the twins came early, and 581 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:58.519 too early. I believe it was twenty four weeks, might have even been 582 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.639 only twenty three. And they did. One hung on a little bit longer 583 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:07.510 than the other, but both of them did ultimately within I think it was 584 00:40:07.630 --> 00:40:15.110 only a few days they did both die, and that was just devastating. 585 00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:19.949 Now there's a lot of things to think about what has happened here. One 586 00:40:20.269 --> 00:40:23.980 this is a woman who thought about killing the babies. Chooses life, chooses 587 00:40:24.219 --> 00:40:29.659 God, and one way of looking at what happened, I'm not saying this 588 00:40:29.659 --> 00:40:32.340 is right, don't get me wrong, but one way that often happens is 589 00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:37.809 why did you do that to me, God? I made the right choice. 590 00:40:37.329 --> 00:40:40.849 How could you take them from me? Now? Yeah, it is 591 00:40:42.010 --> 00:40:45.170 such a common response. We need to know it's going to probably be the 592 00:40:45.250 --> 00:40:51.840 response and be ready to deal with that. But for Kara, she went 593 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:58.440 into a deep tailspin, deep, deep depression. Wondered where was God. 594 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.119 She had done everything right. Why had got abandoned her? How could God 595 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.070 allow this to happen? And it spiral down so far that she herself ended 596 00:41:07.110 --> 00:41:09.789 up in jail. And I'm not going to go into this pacifics, because 597 00:41:09.789 --> 00:41:15.150 I don't want to identify her. But that leads to again another really important 598 00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:19.380 press. Yeah, yeah, and that principle is don't neglect sharing the gospel. 599 00:41:19.900 --> 00:41:23.380 And even though, unfortunately, even after her submitting her life to Jesus 600 00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:27.739 and it it seemed legit right. I mean it was not just playing around 601 00:41:27.739 --> 00:41:30.820 when just her check in some box. It wouldn't just her right to say 602 00:41:30.860 --> 00:41:32.929 in the sinner's prayer. She submitted her life to Jesus and there were changes, 603 00:41:34.010 --> 00:41:37.449 I mean there were life changes that we were seeing. She was truly 604 00:41:37.610 --> 00:41:40.050 growing in the Lord from every indication. Yeah, and then, of course, 605 00:41:40.210 --> 00:41:45.369 tragedy struck, like from any of you listening, yeah, and myself 606 00:41:45.610 --> 00:41:49.679 included in yourself including, we've had traded yeah, striking, we've made bad 607 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:54.719 decisions, we've sinned and even as believers, believers to sin from time to 608 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.840 time. Guys, it happens, and it happened to her. And yet 609 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.670 still, because the Gospel is shared with her, there is still that seed 610 00:42:01.829 --> 00:42:05.989 of the Gospel that remained in her heart. There were still that truth of 611 00:42:06.070 --> 00:42:08.309 God's word in the fact that she surrendered her life to Jesus. She made 612 00:42:08.349 --> 00:42:13.389 a commitment to the Lord and he made a commitment to her, and so 613 00:42:13.590 --> 00:42:15.940 she was grounded in some way. Even though the ground was shaky under her, 614 00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:21.300 the ground of the Gospel was not shaken and she may not have, 615 00:42:21.579 --> 00:42:27.179 at that point in her life, recognized that God was still there for her, 616 00:42:27.739 --> 00:42:30.289 but I love how you said that that seed had been planted, it 617 00:42:30.449 --> 00:42:37.369 had taken root and surprisingly, over the next few months she I don't I 618 00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:40.650 think she was put on some sort of house arrest. So she I don't 619 00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:44.210 think she was in jail long. I don't really remember that part. But 620 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.079 she remained in touch with me. She contacted me through facebook. She was 621 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:50.840 on my email list that, you know, I send out every morning. 622 00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.760 So she was getting daily Bible versus from me and we would check in with 623 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:59.110 each other every few months. I didn't know a lot of what was going 624 00:42:59.230 --> 00:43:02.230 on in her life, but every so often she'd pop up in my facebook 625 00:43:02.309 --> 00:43:06.909 news feed or she dancer one of my Bible texts, and I knew that 626 00:43:07.190 --> 00:43:09.510 she was working, she had friends, she was rebuilding her life. There 627 00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:14.539 were some things I saw that concerned me, but she was, before that 628 00:43:14.739 --> 00:43:19.219 disaster structure, was a baby Christian. So I wasn't surprised, yeah, 629 00:43:19.460 --> 00:43:24.539 that she wasn't a mature believer with with evident fruit in every area of her 630 00:43:24.579 --> 00:43:30.530 life. But this Christmas I received a text from her and I'm going to 631 00:43:30.610 --> 00:43:34.849 I'm going to read that to you. Hey, Vicki three years ago I 632 00:43:35.050 --> 00:43:38.690 lost two babies and this year on Christmas Eve. God has gifted me with 633 00:43:38.809 --> 00:43:45.000 an amazing husband that loves me and treats me well, my first home and 634 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:50.519 a new baby on the way. I think about you often and all of 635 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.639 you and am so grateful for everything you do. You all changed my life 636 00:43:54.949 --> 00:44:00.630 more than you could ever know. Thank you, Mary Christmas. Amen. 637 00:44:00.869 --> 00:44:07.070 Yeah, so that leads to another really important principle, to stay connected, 638 00:44:07.510 --> 00:44:13.500 stay connected, stay connected with sea. Yeah, absolutely, and some of 639 00:44:13.539 --> 00:44:15.699 these women that maybe you want to stay connected with, maybe they don't want 640 00:44:15.699 --> 00:44:20.260 to stay connected with you and you know you don't want to be annoying, 641 00:44:20.300 --> 00:44:23.849 you don't want to be a pest to them, but I would every once 642 00:44:23.889 --> 00:44:27.929 in a while, if you can shoot him over an email. I know 643 00:44:28.010 --> 00:44:30.329 you stay connected with all of these MOMS that will allow you to, let's 644 00:44:30.329 --> 00:44:35.289 say, block your email right. Yeah, and they're able to reach back 645 00:44:35.329 --> 00:44:37.369 out of you. It's three years later she reaches back out of you with 646 00:44:37.409 --> 00:44:40.440 this encouraging word just said. It was an encouragement to all of us. 647 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.719 She was very careful to say you all. She knew it was not me, 648 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.440 it was not it there. We had a whole team of people and 649 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:55.190 she just was she was so grateful. So I responded just tearfully and joyfully 650 00:44:55.829 --> 00:45:00.829 and and asked her some questions about what had transpired over those three years. 651 00:45:01.510 --> 00:45:06.469 She said that she had actually tried to follow God. She had tailspind then 652 00:45:06.550 --> 00:45:10.139 she had tried to follow God and had come full circle. She came around 653 00:45:10.340 --> 00:45:15.099 to a point where she understood his timing and provision was perfect. He was 654 00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:20.460 always there as he was rebuilding her life from that just bottom pit low. 655 00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:24.809 She could see miracles in retrospect. She as she's going through it, she 656 00:45:24.929 --> 00:45:30.610 could not. All she could see was the pain. But she's rebuilding her 657 00:45:30.650 --> 00:45:34.889 life. She sees God guiding her and she's the word refining her. Or 658 00:45:35.050 --> 00:45:38.280 even with the death of her twins. I don't think she was saying God 659 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:45.199 took the twins, but that he used that to refine and prepare her for 660 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.510 just what he had in store for her, that his plan and purpose was 661 00:45:50.829 --> 00:45:59.150 ultimately perfectly enacted revealed, and and the faith that she had come to when 662 00:45:59.190 --> 00:46:02.710 she met US had kindled and grown even in the midst of all of that 663 00:46:02.869 --> 00:46:07.260 backsliding and despair. And that's so important because we sometimes give up on them. 664 00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:12.059 Yeah too, because we think, look at how far they fallen from 665 00:46:12.099 --> 00:46:15.380 where we gave them everything. What are they what are they doing? Falling 666 00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:19.050 back into that slimy pit they came from? That's not the end of the 667 00:46:19.170 --> 00:46:22.929 story. Yeah, yeah, and that leads us to the next principle as 668 00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:27.050 we start rapping this thing up. Yeah, is never give up. Yeah, 669 00:46:27.650 --> 00:46:32.039 just because mom that you've connected with, or even you've poured into on 670 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:37.159 the sidewalk and she walks into the abortion center, never give up. It's 671 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.440 not our job to change their hearts. It's not our job. We're supposed 672 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:43.840 to disciple those who turned to the Lord and it is our job to disciple 673 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.039 them and to sow the word of God into them as much as we're able 674 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.949 to, but we literally can't change their hearts and make them do the right 675 00:46:49.989 --> 00:46:52.150 thing. But we should never give up. Never give up hope for these 676 00:46:52.230 --> 00:46:55.710 MOMS. Never give up hope that that baby can be saved. That woman 677 00:46:55.710 --> 00:46:59.590 has walked into that abortion center and you're tempted to just say, well, 678 00:46:59.710 --> 00:47:01.900 she's had the abortion. We've had so many testimonies of women that have chosen 679 00:47:02.099 --> 00:47:06.659 life after they talked to us, they went into the abortion center and then 680 00:47:06.699 --> 00:47:09.579 they left. Not Haven't told us that they chose life, and so situations 681 00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:14.300 like that just encourage me. Situations like her situation where she follows up with 682 00:47:14.380 --> 00:47:17.969 you three years later. Never give up, never feel like a failure just 683 00:47:19.050 --> 00:47:21.889 because it didn't turn out like you thought it would or like you thought it 684 00:47:21.929 --> 00:47:24.409 should. Yeah, because we were all devastated. So after she shared all 685 00:47:24.489 --> 00:47:30.039 of that with me, I asked her if she remembered Elijah, and she 686 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.079 would. She said of course, she would never forget Elijah, very very 687 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:39.320 important Yan in her life. And I hesitated to tell her what was new 688 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:44.159 with Elisha because I didn't want to bring her pain. But Elijah, he 689 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.110 has a ten month old baby and his wife is pregnant with twins. Yeah, 690 00:47:47.150 --> 00:47:50.469 and I thought, AH, should I tell her that? And in 691 00:47:50.550 --> 00:47:54.909 the end I felt like I should. So I told her and and she 692 00:47:55.070 --> 00:48:00.300 said Ah, Karas said, tell him congratulations. I bet he is a 693 00:48:00.579 --> 00:48:06.059 great dad. So if there is any sorrow over the sad memory of her 694 00:48:06.059 --> 00:48:10.820 twin, she didn't express it. She just expressed joy for Elijah and now 695 00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:15.050 that she realized God had always been with her and had always been guiding her, 696 00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:17.849 she didn't have any bitterness. She didn't. It should at least. 697 00:48:17.849 --> 00:48:24.289 She certainly didn't express it and and he knew what was best and she trusted 698 00:48:24.409 --> 00:48:29.920 him. And and I told her Elijah is still wearing his high top convers 699 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:36.239 sneakers and something severy door never change. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and 700 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.199 so just to wrap this thing up with, our final point is rejoice in 701 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.989 the victories that God allows us to be a part of. It is such 702 00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:47.110 a perfect we were talking the other day and that ultrasound we shared it on 703 00:48:47.269 --> 00:48:52.190 social media, ultrasound image of a little baby that was saved from abortion right 704 00:48:52.190 --> 00:48:55.139 here that that day that we were just we were talking about some things and 705 00:48:55.619 --> 00:49:00.619 I was just rejoicing in not just that a baby was say it an't it 706 00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:02.619 just to minimize that? Praise God, a baby will save, but that 707 00:49:02.739 --> 00:49:06.820 the Lord lets us get to be a part of this. Yes, pretty 708 00:49:06.820 --> 00:49:10.010 amazing. So we should rejoice that the Lord is gracious to allow us to 709 00:49:10.050 --> 00:49:13.650 be a part of what he's doing. He does the baby save and he 710 00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:15.570 does the changing of the hearts and all of that stuff. That's all his 711 00:49:15.769 --> 00:49:21.130 work, but he lets us be co laborers with him and we need to 712 00:49:21.210 --> 00:49:25.159 rejoice over that, not just rejoice in our with ourselves, with our families, 713 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.960 with our ministry partners and all of that stuff. But rejoice with the 714 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.440 moms that choose life, like you were rejoicing with Kara over that decision and 715 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.349 over initially that decision for life, but even when she lost the baby and 716 00:49:38.349 --> 00:49:43.349 ultimately she falls up with you three years later what the Lord is done in 717 00:49:43.469 --> 00:49:46.389 her life, how, even in the midst of that tragedy, that God 718 00:49:46.389 --> 00:49:50.269 has done an amazing work in her heart. For her to be able to 719 00:49:50.429 --> 00:49:55.340 say that God use that to refine her is an amazing state, pretty amazing. 720 00:49:55.460 --> 00:50:00.340 That shows you that those seats that had been planted truly had taken really 721 00:50:00.380 --> 00:50:05.219 yeah, absolutely, yeah. Well, Guy's, we hope this has been 722 00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:07.130 a blessing you guys, as we shared through this story and shared some of 723 00:50:07.210 --> 00:50:13.170 the principles that that we employed and that we even learned in the midst of 724 00:50:13.210 --> 00:50:15.449 this story. We hope to be able to share more stories of hard cases 725 00:50:15.730 --> 00:50:20.329 to help equip you guys that. We would certainly appreciate if you guys would 726 00:50:20.369 --> 00:50:22.480 reach out to us. Maybe there's some questions that you have about this story, 727 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:27.719 some of the things that we shared here, some clarifying questions that you 728 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.679 have, maybe again, even some episodes, some subjects you want us to 729 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.519 cover. We'd certainly love to do that. We'd love to hear from you. 730 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.389 So you can reach out to me at Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. 731 00:50:37.710 --> 00:50:39.670 You can reach out to her Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. But 732 00:50:39.750 --> 00:50:52.460 until next time, God bless our love for love. Give me our love 733 00:50:52.699 --> 00:51:06.090 for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, 734 00:51:06.409 --> 00:51:07.769 and some that you