Hard Cases: Cara Chose Life and Then Lost Her Twins

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.400 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me Lord, 2 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:11.429 I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcasts and this episode, 3 00:00:11.509 --> 00:00:13.990 in the following episodes, we're going to share with you some stories that 4 00:00:14.029 --> 00:00:18.190 we've encountered at the abortion centers and some principles that we learned in those stories 5 00:00:18.230 --> 00:00:24.980 to help equip you. So stay tuned. Me Lord, I felt show 6 00:00:25.660 --> 00:00:35.539 Passish, touch your heart. Use Me. All right. Well, welcome 7 00:00:35.579 --> 00:00:39.649 to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. 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Thanks you want us to cover. 14 00:01:06.790 --> 00:01:11.189 But actually we've decided that in these next couple of podcast now may not 15 00:01:11.349 --> 00:01:15.590 be all of the next like consecutive podcast because if we come up with other 16 00:01:15.670 --> 00:01:19.420 cool ideas and things we want to cover between we may we may throw those 17 00:01:19.459 --> 00:01:23.060 in there, but we really want to equip people that are out on the 18 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:26.859 sidewalk. That's the that's the focus of this gospel center pro life podcast. 19 00:01:26.180 --> 00:01:30.859 Obviously talk about prolife issues in light of the Gospel, but really equipping people 20 00:01:32.299 --> 00:01:34.849 who are out on the sidewalk at their local abortion center. And one of 21 00:01:34.849 --> 00:01:40.049 the things that we know from experience and from hearing from other people that are 22 00:01:40.049 --> 00:01:44.689 out on the sidewalk is the difficulty of dealing with these hard cases. Like, 23 00:01:44.849 --> 00:01:48.480 what do you say in different hard cases? What do you say when 24 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:52.760 a mom says I was raped? What do you say when a mom tells 25 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.200 you that she her baby's already dead? Yeah, or what do you say 26 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.079 with a woman coming to an abortion center who says her parents are going to 27 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.629 kick her out? Yeah, things like that. They can be hard situations. 28 00:02:04.629 --> 00:02:07.390 You've been counted some of those. I know I have even this week 29 00:02:07.430 --> 00:02:09.270 one of those. Yes, maybe, Wow, I'd say definitely all of 30 00:02:09.349 --> 00:02:15.030 the above right, all the time. Yeah. Now, you had to 31 00:02:15.069 --> 00:02:21.699 acknowledge that. Statistically, the things that people use to justify abortion, whether 32 00:02:21.699 --> 00:02:24.819 it be rape, incest to health of the mother, those are very rare 33 00:02:25.180 --> 00:02:29.860 to encounter at the abortion center. However, if you do ministry at an 34 00:02:29.900 --> 00:02:35.610 abortion center long enough, you will encounter those situations. You will encounter those 35 00:02:35.650 --> 00:02:38.729 hard cases and those are the ones that can really trip people up. Yeah, 36 00:02:38.810 --> 00:02:40.889 and really make it, you know, like what do I do? 37 00:02:42.009 --> 00:02:44.800 What do I say in the situation? Yeah, so truly helpful to hear 38 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:50.000 what other people us have said and how we have handled those situations. And 39 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.840 we have certainly not you'll see in this study. Well, actually not so 40 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:55.120 much in this study, the next study we're going to go over at that. 41 00:02:55.560 --> 00:03:00.310 Sometimes we don't handle it so well. So sometimes we're put on the 42 00:03:00.430 --> 00:03:04.469 spot and as we rethink what we did, we decide maybe there was a 43 00:03:04.550 --> 00:03:07.550 better way to deal with it, and so we're hoping through our experience, 44 00:03:07.629 --> 00:03:10.629 in our failures, that we can guide you and maybe doing things a little 45 00:03:10.669 --> 00:03:14.460 bit better than we did. Yeah, yes, so what we're going to 46 00:03:14.500 --> 00:03:20.020 be doing is not just giving you some one, two three principles, but 47 00:03:20.139 --> 00:03:23.900 actually we're going to be talking through an actual story that we've been a part 48 00:03:23.939 --> 00:03:28.009 of, that God allowed us to help a mom choose life in the midst 49 00:03:28.050 --> 00:03:31.370 of or maybe sometimes not choose life right, and we're going to be walking 50 00:03:31.449 --> 00:03:36.370 through sharing that story, but not just for the sake of sharing a cool 51 00:03:36.370 --> 00:03:39.729 story, but sharing some of the principles that were applied or that we may 52 00:03:39.849 --> 00:03:45.800 even failed to apply in that situation to bring out a good result. Yeah, 53 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:46.680 and then how we dealt with those. So we're going to be sharing 54 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.639 principles and kind of weaving those principles in to the story, again, an 55 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:57.750 actual story that played out here in Charlotte, and there's details. We didn't 56 00:03:57.750 --> 00:04:00.389 change any details really, but we did change the name. Maybe we didn't 57 00:04:00.389 --> 00:04:05.789 give super clarifying details right because we didn't want to. You didn't want to 58 00:04:05.789 --> 00:04:10.539 identify the person or anymore who might be listening to identify the person. So, 59 00:04:11.180 --> 00:04:13.300 but this is a real story. It is really has to worry and 60 00:04:13.300 --> 00:04:15.459 it would be really cool maybe in the comments sections, as you listen through 61 00:04:15.579 --> 00:04:19.339 this, to offer what you might have done that is different and maybe a 62 00:04:19.459 --> 00:04:24.060 lot of people can learn from each other on how this might have been handled 63 00:04:24.100 --> 00:04:26.769 other than how we handled it. Yeah, or maybe you just want to 64 00:04:26.810 --> 00:04:30.170 applaud us. Yeah, look like that too. Well, I think to 65 00:04:30.290 --> 00:04:32.769 me personally, I think even biblically, I like to learn from other people's 66 00:04:32.810 --> 00:04:38.449 mistakes. If you look through the Bible, yeah, and you see a 67 00:04:38.569 --> 00:04:42.800 man like Abraham, who made some pretty major mistakes. Did the Lord blessed 68 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.240 him, for sure, but he made mistakes and we can learn from Abraham's 69 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:49.360 mistake. We can learn from Moses mistakes, things that he didn't do quite 70 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.269 right. We can learn, course, from people's successes, but we can 71 00:04:53.310 --> 00:04:56.670 also learn from their failures and we can learn from our own successes and failures. 72 00:04:57.430 --> 00:05:00.230 I think that's a biblical principle. Yeah, and so we want you 73 00:05:00.230 --> 00:05:02.750 guys to learn from some of our failures and even some of our successes. 74 00:05:02.910 --> 00:05:05.709 So that's what we're going to be sharing in this story. Yeah, so 75 00:05:05.829 --> 00:05:10.620 in this story we changed her name. We're going to call her CARA, 76 00:05:10.939 --> 00:05:15.060 okay, and she I'm going to set the scene for you first. Okay, 77 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:18.620 so this this happened some years ago, so my memory actually is fuzzy 78 00:05:18.660 --> 00:05:23.889 on some of the details, but the important details her are accurate. Yeah, 79 00:05:24.050 --> 00:05:28.370 so she came early to the abortion center, beat long before opened and 80 00:05:28.490 --> 00:05:31.930 actually even before most of our team was there. There was only one team 81 00:05:32.009 --> 00:05:35.839 member there at the time when she pulled into the parking lot. That that 82 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:41.079 was Elisha, one of you, one of our men, and Elijah waved 83 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:46.439 to her offered help as they're pulling in and she pulled her car over to 84 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:48.040 him in tears. First of all, she parked and then came to him 85 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:53.990 in tears, and she told me later, as I was talking with her, 86 00:05:54.110 --> 00:06:00.350 she said that she instantly noticed his high top converse sneakers and smiled despite 87 00:06:00.350 --> 00:06:04.540 her tears and her deep sorrow, because she said he looks so young and 88 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:10.699 these are her words, so Dorky but kind. She could tell, and 89 00:06:10.980 --> 00:06:14.899 it's soon. Anyone who knows Elijah you know right away he's a kind and 90 00:06:15.180 --> 00:06:17.420 godly man, and so she knows he's kind of Dorky to he did. 91 00:06:19.769 --> 00:06:25.290 We Love alusha anyway. So that's that's kind of the scene. All right. 92 00:06:25.649 --> 00:06:30.250 So what are the the the most important points we can get just right 93 00:06:30.410 --> 00:06:32.959 off the bat? Yeah, from from what's going on. Well, I 94 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:39.439 mean the first point is be dorky point but kind. Yeah, because, 95 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.800 well, one of the principles is, and of course you wrote an article 96 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:46.439 going through this, so that's kind of the French we are going to post 97 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.949 along with that. So that's the framework that we're going through. is to 98 00:06:48.990 --> 00:06:55.029 be available. If Elijah wasn't there, yeah, then she wouldn't have had 99 00:06:55.269 --> 00:06:58.670 the the witness of a Christian standing out in front of the abortion center. 100 00:06:58.750 --> 00:07:01.540 So that's one of the first keys. I mean, listen you, you're 101 00:07:01.579 --> 00:07:05.300 not going to have situations that you encounter where you're going to have to deal 102 00:07:05.379 --> 00:07:10.100 with hard cases if you're not out there. So show up, be out 103 00:07:10.100 --> 00:07:14.420 there. That's like three quarters of the battle is just showing up and being 104 00:07:14.500 --> 00:07:17.050 out there on the sidewalk. Right, somebody has to be out there to 105 00:07:17.209 --> 00:07:23.370 give these babies a voice. And it's not just to it's not a ministry 106 00:07:24.250 --> 00:07:28.410 of really enjoyment. Right, even enjoy being out there means, since we 107 00:07:28.490 --> 00:07:30.920 do right, I enjoy being out there, but I don't enjoy being out 108 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.040 there. You know the yeah, what we need to be definitely, we 109 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.839 enjoy being there in obedience to God, but what we are going to encounter 110 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:41.319 is heartbreaking. Yeah, and and hard, yeah, and and so. 111 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.629 So you have to show up, and I think a corollary to just showing 112 00:07:45.670 --> 00:07:49.149 up is make sure you show up on time. Yeah, when you'RE gonna 113 00:07:49.350 --> 00:07:55.709 bear the most fruit. For example, the abortion center where this happened opens 114 00:07:55.790 --> 00:07:59.540 the doors as early as nine o'clock, certainly on Mondays, and women are 115 00:07:59.579 --> 00:08:03.220 sometimes lining up at a quarter to nine. Well, if no one's there, 116 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:09.660 like Elijah was when she arrived, he might have missed that golden opportunity 117 00:08:09.740 --> 00:08:11.379 to call out to her and she might not have come back out, yeah, 118 00:08:11.540 --> 00:08:15.810 once she had gone in. So show up and show up on time. 119 00:08:15.930 --> 00:08:18.610 Yeah, right. Yeah, and just a practical point with that, 120 00:08:18.250 --> 00:08:22.610 find out what time your local abortion center opens up. A lot of folks 121 00:08:22.769 --> 00:08:26.129 don't even know. They might know where the abortion center is, but don't 122 00:08:26.129 --> 00:08:28.680 know when time or what time it opens up. Being found a typically on 123 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.120 their website. Yeah, facebook, yeah, Google it. You'll find it, 124 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.480 and then try to be there earlier than they open up. Those can 125 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.679 be actually, in my experiences, some of the most fruitful times, fruitful 126 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.710 time. That's why I do it. Yeah, I got a lot of 127 00:08:41.789 --> 00:08:46.669 activity out there on the sidewalk, even not a lot of abortion patients in 128 00:08:46.710 --> 00:08:50.789 the parking lot, and so people are more apt to come and talk to 129 00:08:50.870 --> 00:08:54.509 you. I'll tell you. Also, I think there is the highest level 130 00:08:54.740 --> 00:09:00.179 of conflicts sometimes when they first pull up, okay, because so many women 131 00:09:00.379 --> 00:09:03.980 truly don't want to be there, but they feel there. You have no 132 00:09:03.100 --> 00:09:07.220 other choice. So as they're getting out of the car and they're seeing someone 133 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:11.529 already calling out about, hey, there's another choice, this isn't a good 134 00:09:11.570 --> 00:09:15.850 idea. Your baby's precious before God it, I think it. They're already 135 00:09:16.210 --> 00:09:20.289 heightened. Sense of conflict can sometimes be taken over the edge and then they'll 136 00:09:20.289 --> 00:09:24.009 go in and it will percolate. Yeah, and there. So you're so 137 00:09:24.169 --> 00:09:26.519 in the seeds as early as you possibly as possible. Yeah. Yeah, 138 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.440 and that's what happened in this situation with the lies you being there early. 139 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.320 Right, no one was there. Even the mobile unit wasn't there yet. 140 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.159 Right. And yet he was there. Thankfully. Kara came over and talk 141 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.669 to him. Yeah, and he was able to ultimately, when the mobile 142 00:09:39.710 --> 00:09:43.350 you didn't did come to get her to go on board the mobile unit. 143 00:09:43.389 --> 00:09:45.309 Yeah, but don't get ahead of this. I won't get ahead of the 144 00:09:45.389 --> 00:09:48.029 story. Okay, so the next the next part of the story. She 145 00:09:48.190 --> 00:09:50.710 came over to him and he asked her if she was here for an abortion 146 00:09:52.350 --> 00:09:54.860 and she admitted that she was, but said that she had no choice, 147 00:09:56.379 --> 00:10:00.740 and so he began asking questions. She was in an abusive relationship. The 148 00:10:00.899 --> 00:10:05.779 father was going to be going to jail. Yeah, but she knew that 149 00:10:07.330 --> 00:10:13.690 custody of her children would be partially his if she didn't kill the the baby. 150 00:10:15.370 --> 00:10:18.889 So she she knew that also he was going to be there. She 151 00:10:18.009 --> 00:10:24.360 was going to have to raise the baby alone, and she also knew that 152 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.000 if she had the baby, she was binding herself basically for the next eighteen 153 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.799 years to a man that she really knew. Now I need to get rid 154 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.429 of, I need to get out of this relationship. Yeah, those are 155 00:10:35.429 --> 00:10:39.830 serious. Yeah, those are seriously issues, but they help us then to 156 00:10:39.950 --> 00:10:46.149 kind of talk about our next major principle. Yeah, and that is determined 157 00:10:46.190 --> 00:10:50.059 the situation. Yeah, you got to ask questions. If a mom stops 158 00:10:50.139 --> 00:10:52.139 to talk to you, it's good to try to figure out why she's there 159 00:10:52.779 --> 00:10:56.580 and then, you know, one of the things that we teach our folks 160 00:10:56.620 --> 00:11:00.620 here locally is don't beat around the Bush. Don't talk about the weather. 161 00:11:00.820 --> 00:11:01.860 I mean, maybe you can get somebody to come over and talk to you 162 00:11:03.059 --> 00:11:05.690 that's milling around in the parking lot. You can talk about the weather, 163 00:11:05.769 --> 00:11:07.929 but a mom who stops to talk to you about whether in her vehicle or 164 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:11.009 just, you know, walking up to the abortion center, get right to 165 00:11:11.090 --> 00:11:13.610 it. Are you here for an abortion? And then try to figure out 166 00:11:13.610 --> 00:11:16.250 it's one of the things I want to get right to. What brings you 167 00:11:16.330 --> 00:11:20.840 here? What makes you feel like abortion is an option for you? Yeah, 168 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.919 so determining the situation is key because you can't employ any of the other 169 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.120 things, first and foremost, if you aren't there, like we talked about 170 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.320 that first principle. But then if you don't know why they're there, right, 171 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.870 and so determine the situation. Yeah, I have an example of when 172 00:11:35.990 --> 00:11:37.710 someone didn't do that. Elijah did a good job of doing that. He 173 00:11:37.789 --> 00:11:41.509 knew, he found out a really all the key elements. This morning, 174 00:11:41.789 --> 00:11:46.110 someone who is not with us but is a pro life person out on the 175 00:11:46.190 --> 00:11:50.580 sidewalk did have a car stop for him and he just started talking, just 176 00:11:50.740 --> 00:11:52.379 going on and on and on, basically about God, which is, you 177 00:11:52.460 --> 00:11:56.980 know, I'm not belittling that you should talk about God. But then the 178 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:01.769 car pulled away and I asked, tell me about the situation. Well, 179 00:12:01.809 --> 00:12:05.690 he knew nothing. So we had nothing to go on because he had talked 180 00:12:05.090 --> 00:12:11.210 without asking questions. So I think asking questions find out the situation is just 181 00:12:11.409 --> 00:12:13.970 really a key point. Absolutely all right. So then Elijah said, look, 182 00:12:15.169 --> 00:12:18.200 we can help you, and Elijah was I don't know how new. 183 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.000 He was so much was he was pretty new at that point, because there 184 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.639 was a few years ago, and he honestly what's going through his head is 185 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.149 I don't know what to do. But he said we can help you, 186 00:12:31.309 --> 00:12:35.590 and he literally said this to her. I'm not sure how we can help 187 00:12:35.669 --> 00:12:43.029 you, but I know someone who does know. Yeah, and and so 188 00:12:43.629 --> 00:12:48.940 he has her weight and he and he called me. Yeah. So, 189 00:12:48.100 --> 00:12:52.620 so we have a couple of principles then. Yeah, that a scripture that 190 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:58.379 comes to mind for this particular principle, which is trust that with God there 191 00:12:58.539 --> 00:13:01.409 is help available. Yeah, is a psalm forty six in verse one. 192 00:13:01.529 --> 00:13:07.370 God is our refuge and strength, the very present help in trouble. God 193 00:13:07.090 --> 00:13:13.399 does have help resources available for these women. Of course, spiritually he's offered 194 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.559 them South vaition through Jesus Christ and what he accomplished his in his death barren 195 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:22.080 resurrection. But also there's practical help and I know for me personally, I 196 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.509 know you'll bear witness with this. Even though right away in every situation maybe 197 00:13:26.549 --> 00:13:30.830 we don't necessarily have a resource in mind to meet whatever needs they have, 198 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:35.669 we know that there's something and that we can dig for that resource and we've 199 00:13:35.710 --> 00:13:39.909 been able to find. I mean there are so many resources that are available 200 00:13:39.950 --> 00:13:45.059 here in Charlotte, so many ministries and organizations that will meet these women's needs, 201 00:13:45.299 --> 00:13:48.379 that I can say with confidence, though we can't help you with every 202 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:54.820 possible aspect of every situation, we can help you in some measure with whatever 203 00:13:54.899 --> 00:13:58.250 situation that your face, right and if we don't know, we're going to 204 00:13:58.289 --> 00:14:01.450 find who can help you, which is which is indeed what what he did. 205 00:14:03.370 --> 00:14:09.529 And I didn't really know how to help in some of those situations, 206 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:16.480 but I instantly got on my computer and started googling domestic violence lawyers that could 207 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:20.399 could help for pro bono. I knew she didn't have a lot of money 208 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:28.389 and and so I gathered all of that information. And while I'm home gathering 209 00:14:28.470 --> 00:14:31.669 this information, the RV does show up. Yeah, that's our mobile ultrasound 210 00:14:31.710 --> 00:14:37.710 unit through help pregnancy center, and the woman counselor that that would be able 211 00:14:37.750 --> 00:14:41.419 to go on the RV with Kara also showed up. Our nurse was still 212 00:14:41.460 --> 00:14:48.259 not there, but right away what we knew, what Angela was the counselor, 213 00:14:48.580 --> 00:14:54.610 and Angela knew get this mom to a place of safety, onto that 214 00:14:54.809 --> 00:15:00.929 RV, away from the pull of the abortion center. Yeahh and Angela sat 215 00:15:00.970 --> 00:15:05.649 her down and started talking with her. Yeah. So that leads to kind 216 00:15:05.690 --> 00:15:11.000 of the next principle. Yeah, yeah, and the principle is something we 217 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.120 talked about in a podcast months ago. You remember our podcast about the unity 218 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:20.039 of the body. Yeah, and just different pieces of the body of Christ 219 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.629 working together in unity, but in particular with your team and with people who 220 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:28.149 around you, people that you know, people in your church that you can 221 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:31.789 utilize using team members. Maybe you don't know what the answer is and seems 222 00:15:31.830 --> 00:15:35.379 like here in Charlotte everybody thinks that Vicky is the resource for everything, and 223 00:15:35.500 --> 00:15:39.500 she actually is. He has a lot of knowledge, a lot of experience 224 00:15:39.580 --> 00:15:43.539 and connecting mombs with resources, and so people utilize you. A lot of 225 00:15:43.580 --> 00:15:46.899 times the utilize me, which is fine. Angela is also another great resource, 226 00:15:48.019 --> 00:15:50.490 another person that we can get on the phone with and say, Hey, 227 00:15:50.529 --> 00:15:52.409 Angela, we have a mom in this particular situation. Can Be can 228 00:15:52.450 --> 00:15:56.409 you dig for resources here? Right, even if there are people that I 229 00:15:56.529 --> 00:16:00.690 mean I know Elijah. He said, as we were just talking earlier before 230 00:16:00.690 --> 00:16:04.039 we started recording this podcast, his wife is available. She's pregnant with twins 231 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.559 and waiting for the phone to ring, and I mean waiting for the phone 232 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.080 to ring. So maybe even having people, getting people to volunteer who maybe 233 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.840 maybe they can't be on the sidewalk for whatever reason. Maybe they're a homeschool 234 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.909 mom with four or five kids and they can't be out there on the sidewalk 235 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:22.549 or whatever, but maybe they could be available right to get on the phone 236 00:16:22.590 --> 00:16:25.470 to you, call them up and say, Hey, I need you to 237 00:16:25.549 --> 00:16:30.070 search for housing resources right away, I need you to search for adoption resources. 238 00:16:30.149 --> 00:16:33.740 If you don't have those things, those resources already compiled, you can 239 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:37.980 have that person do those things. For utilizing your team or you building a 240 00:16:37.059 --> 00:16:41.580 team and then utilizing that team right is also very helpful. Right. Yeah, 241 00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:45.220 and so we kind of combined a section. So using the team members, 242 00:16:45.340 --> 00:16:49.809 but also that be prepared to offer resources. Is is one of the 243 00:16:51.529 --> 00:16:53.690 other principles with that use the team members and then, if you don't have 244 00:16:53.929 --> 00:16:56.970 resources, and you kind of touched on this, develop them. Yeah, 245 00:16:57.049 --> 00:17:03.320 and that's why I do have a lot of resources kind of at my fingertips. 246 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:07.440 Is I was I did develop a general resource list for our ministry. 247 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.480 I developed off of what someone else had already started but then they added things. 248 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:17.029 So we do have a good sized list. But did it through Google. 249 00:17:17.230 --> 00:17:21.349 Yeah, so it didn't take any special genius. Is a tremendous resource. 250 00:17:21.390 --> 00:17:23.990 It really. I mean I'm pretty sure the CEO of Google and the 251 00:17:25.069 --> 00:17:29.230 higher ups and Google would not appreciate how we use Google in such an effective 252 00:17:29.309 --> 00:17:30.859 'm not sure to bring pro life. I don't think they're pro live. 253 00:17:30.859 --> 00:17:34.019 I think they're pretty proabortion. Yeah, but we use Google all the time 254 00:17:34.420 --> 00:17:40.059 to dig for new resources and we find stuff all the time. There's stuff 255 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:42.859 here in Charlotte, but there's stuff be on. I know at one point 256 00:17:42.900 --> 00:17:45.730 we had, maybe we'll share that story. At some point we had a 257 00:17:45.809 --> 00:17:49.410 mother who came who was a drug addict, who was pregnant. Yeah, 258 00:17:49.450 --> 00:17:52.450 and we got on Google. Believe you did or somebody did, got on 259 00:17:52.529 --> 00:17:56.210 Google and found that there was actually a maternity home that takes mothers who were 260 00:17:56.250 --> 00:18:00.400 addicted and we didn't know about it. Now. And how did we find 261 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:02.920 it? Yeah, by good founding, by thank yeah, I put in 262 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.079 the the keywords. Yeah, and so yeah, knowing the resources and and 263 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:12.589 kind of another part of what Angela did was she really helped to calm Carra 264 00:18:12.789 --> 00:18:18.069 down and let her. Know, this is not what your whole next you 265 00:18:18.150 --> 00:18:22.710 know twenty years of your life is going to be. What you're experiencing right 266 00:18:22.750 --> 00:18:27.500 now is not forever. Yeah, and to remind them the situation, the 267 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:33.539 fears that it's going to change, this is not permanent. What you're facing 268 00:18:33.619 --> 00:18:37.940 right now is not permanent. Yeah, because they do feel like it's forever. 269 00:18:37.259 --> 00:18:40.980 When you're in crisis, it feels like it will never change. The 270 00:18:41.140 --> 00:18:45.730 sense of crisis will never ever change. Yeah. So, so, so, 271 00:18:45.930 --> 00:18:49.250 while Angela's trying to calm her down, the nurse arrives and in order 272 00:18:49.289 --> 00:18:53.170 to do the ultrasound on the help mobile unit you have to have the nurse. 273 00:18:53.250 --> 00:18:59.839 So that the nurse arrives and goes over the Medical City history and takes 274 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:04.319 her back to look at her baby and what turned out to be babies. 275 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.960 Yeah, we don't white remember, again, this was a few years ago, 276 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:12.029 whether she already knew she was having twins or whether it was revealed to 277 00:19:12.150 --> 00:19:18.470 her on the RV. I honestly just don't remember. But anyway about about 278 00:19:18.509 --> 00:19:22.190 it, she was having twins and they were clear. Yeah, on on 279 00:19:22.349 --> 00:19:29.460 that ultrasound and when she saw those babies, that begins to change. Everything. 280 00:19:29.500 --> 00:19:34.339 Yeah, which leads to if you're able, another very important principle. 281 00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:38.130 Yeah, it's a connect them with their baby, show them their baby as 282 00:19:38.170 --> 00:19:42.890 soon as possible. Right. I don't believe that ultrasound is the only tool, 283 00:19:44.089 --> 00:19:47.049 but ultrasound is a powerful tool, let me tell you. It is 284 00:19:47.089 --> 00:19:49.569 a window into the womb. It is and if you can connect that mother 285 00:19:49.650 --> 00:19:53.200 with her baby, she's already connected. You know, the Lord has already 286 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:56.680 given her that baby and literally that baby is connected to her. Yeah, 287 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:02.640 but if you can connect her mentally and emotionally with that child and visually with 288 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.880 that baby, that is a powerful way to help her to choose life. 289 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:11.349 So as soon as possible. We thankfully have that mobile unit with help pregnancy 290 00:20:11.349 --> 00:20:15.349 center there an awesome partner. There's ministries like them that bring their mobile units 291 00:20:15.430 --> 00:20:19.230 to the abortion clinics and maybe you can partner with them. Maybe that's already 292 00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:22.380 there and I encourage you to build a good relationship with them if you're able 293 00:20:22.420 --> 00:20:26.740 to do that. But maybe you don't have that. Maybe there's a pregnancy 294 00:20:26.740 --> 00:20:30.579 center next door, maybe there's a pregnancy center fifteen minutes down the road from 295 00:20:30.579 --> 00:20:36.329 the abortion center. We have sibbolt missionaries in New York who have been accustomed 296 00:20:36.369 --> 00:20:37.690 to if a mom is there, they don't have a mobile unit parked right 297 00:20:37.730 --> 00:20:41.609 there. But if a mom is there the abortion center and she wants a 298 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:45.650 free ultrasound, they'll get her to go into the car with them if they're 299 00:20:45.650 --> 00:20:48.609 willing to. And these women are typically coming in New York, they're coming 300 00:20:48.609 --> 00:20:52.559 from public transportation, so they don't have a vehicle there to hey follow me, 301 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.680 so they'll hop in the car with them. They'll drive the young lady 302 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.240 over to the appointment. They'll call him up ahead of time, drive them 303 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.720 to the appointment to get a free ultrasound, even weight on them, drive 304 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.230 them home and get them away from the abortion center. Yeah, that's really 305 00:21:07.269 --> 00:21:12.349 Assorton and to see their baby, and the ultrasound does dispel the the myth 306 00:21:12.829 --> 00:21:18.069 that that this is just a clump of cells. But even I discovered something 307 00:21:18.109 --> 00:21:22.500 again in my past few days of counseling a Teena I'm counseling, where she 308 00:21:22.819 --> 00:21:26.740 refused to go to the ultrasound to go see her child because she knew she 309 00:21:26.779 --> 00:21:33.769 would bond with the child. So I sent her video of a child a 310 00:21:33.849 --> 00:21:37.170 little bit older than her baby in the womb and said, look at this, 311 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:40.369 this is a mom I just counsel a few days ago, and when 312 00:21:40.490 --> 00:21:45.130 she saw that that was one of the turning points for her because she said, 313 00:21:45.289 --> 00:21:49.119 oh my goodness, this is actually a baby and and it really occurred 314 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:53.279 to her, maybe for the first time, that the pro choice lies that 315 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:57.440 she had bought were just that relies. This was a baby in the womb. 316 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.789 And if you so, if you you have no access or they refuse 317 00:22:00.869 --> 00:22:04.750 and ultrasound. Have a video of an art sound. Use the see baby, 318 00:22:04.990 --> 00:22:08.950 see baby. It's a free APP. It shows the baby in an 319 00:22:08.990 --> 00:22:14.109 ultrasound at every week of development. Also, the necessarily a pro life at 320 00:22:14.150 --> 00:22:19.019 sea. It's not. It's just a scientific APP that shows the development of 321 00:22:19.339 --> 00:22:23.420 a baby through every week of life from zero to forty, and that those 322 00:22:23.539 --> 00:22:32.890 can be really, really helpful. So so while then Angela's on the RV 323 00:22:33.089 --> 00:22:37.930 with Kara, she starts talking about the baby shower that we provide. That 324 00:22:37.970 --> 00:22:41.329 will provide two years for the twins needs. We talked about the mentorship program 325 00:22:41.529 --> 00:22:48.519 we could provide. We also talked about placing the twins in the arms of 326 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:53.440 a loving adoptive family, and the reason Angela brought that up is because Kara 327 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:57.670 brought it up. Kara said she was in really no place, about to 328 00:22:59.029 --> 00:23:03.750 divorce, this abuse of husband on his way to prison and she just without 329 00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:07.710 a job at there are a lot of things going on in her life and 330 00:23:07.829 --> 00:23:11.349 said I don't I don't know how I comparent. And so we began to 331 00:23:11.430 --> 00:23:15.299 explore Angela, began to explore the option of adoption. Yeah, with her. 332 00:23:15.579 --> 00:23:22.779 So that kind of leads to our next major principle in a situation where 333 00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:26.289 this woman has really some pretty significant needs. Yeah, yeah, and that 334 00:23:26.369 --> 00:23:30.450 point is solidify that choice, that choice for life. Yes, you've connect 335 00:23:30.650 --> 00:23:34.970 them with their baby, you've shared with them resources by arranging appointments and showers 336 00:23:36.049 --> 00:23:40.049 to look forward to. So give them because that's how the abortion clinic does 337 00:23:40.089 --> 00:23:42.759 it. Not Saying we copy the the yeah world's ways or anything like that, 338 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:47.000 but the abortion clinic trys to get them locked into an appointment right away, 339 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:49.359 follows up with them, calls them, Hey, your appointment is in 340 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.559 such and such day at such and such a time. We've even have women 341 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:57.269 who have chosen life who left the abortion clinic in the abortion clinic calls them 342 00:23:57.269 --> 00:24:00.349 up later on in the day say hey, you missed your appointment, but 343 00:24:00.430 --> 00:24:02.750 we can set up another appointment for you. They want to get them locked 344 00:24:02.789 --> 00:24:06.549 into an appointment. Well, we can use that same method and get them 345 00:24:06.589 --> 00:24:08.750 set up with an appointment for a baby char let's say you have a local 346 00:24:08.869 --> 00:24:12.700 church that's willing to do baby shower. Figure that out as quick as you 347 00:24:12.700 --> 00:24:15.980 can with that local church and put it down on the calendar with her right 348 00:24:17.019 --> 00:24:18.900 there. If you can do it, maybe your church is fully on board 349 00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:22.740 with being out there on the sidewalk and you know your church on a Saturday 350 00:24:22.779 --> 00:24:26.009 afternoon we'll be willing to do it. Look on your calendar right there on 351 00:24:26.089 --> 00:24:27.930 the RV or right there on the sidewalk and say, okay, so can 352 00:24:27.970 --> 00:24:32.650 we pin your you're such and such along, so we probably could do a 353 00:24:32.730 --> 00:24:36.569 baby shower for you this many months and so let's pin it down on the 354 00:24:36.609 --> 00:24:40.599 calendar this Saturday. Now that date may change or whatever, but if you 355 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:42.839 can pin that day down, really what you're doing is given them something to 356 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:48.400 look forward to. That can be really helpful. If maybe you're maybe you 357 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.440 don't have again a mobile unit. Maybe it's a pregnancy center that's down the 358 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:55.269 road and maybe they're not open. That day. Some of them aren't open, 359 00:24:55.309 --> 00:24:59.390 unfortunately, on Saturdays. Maybe you can call up and get in a 360 00:24:59.710 --> 00:25:02.069 pointment. A lot of these places, these pregnancy centers, that are not 361 00:25:02.150 --> 00:25:04.470 open on Saturdays, still can make appointments and things like that. They'll have 362 00:25:04.509 --> 00:25:08.740 an appointment line. Get Her an appointment, get her a follow up appointment, 363 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:12.140 like on at help with their mobile unit. We try to get them 364 00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:15.819 a follow up appointment beyond the mobile unit in the initial appointment. Get them 365 00:25:15.859 --> 00:25:18.980 a follow up appointment in a couple of weeks to follow up, to keep 366 00:25:19.059 --> 00:25:22.490 them in the loop, to give them something to look forward to and to 367 00:25:22.609 --> 00:25:26.930 give them really a vision for the future and what God wants to do in 368 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:30.490 their lives. Yeah, and they they're so hesitant to cancel an appointment. 369 00:25:30.569 --> 00:25:34.049 I have had women agree with everything I've said when they've stopped and say, 370 00:25:34.089 --> 00:25:37.039 yeah, this is a baby, no, I don't want to do it, 371 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.920 and they've come on the RV maybe and seeing the baby, but they'll 372 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.240 they'll be so concerned that they haven't canceled their appointment yet at the abortion center. 373 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.160 Yeah, so they're it's kind of funny, but I see that a 374 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:55.029 lot. So giving them an appointment that solidifies life rather than death. Yeah, 375 00:25:55.069 --> 00:26:00.069 I'd like to put the abortion point appointment. So Angelo and I both 376 00:26:00.150 --> 00:26:03.990 followed up with Kara for several weeks, particularly the most critical time is in 377 00:26:03.029 --> 00:26:07.380 that the first couple days. But we both stayed in touch with her. 378 00:26:07.420 --> 00:26:11.819 At this time in the history of love life, I don't think they had 379 00:26:11.900 --> 00:26:15.099 yet started or the mentorship program was just starting, and that's the ministry that 380 00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:19.930 we've now merged with, which does provide mentorship programs for these women. Who 381 00:26:21.009 --> 00:26:22.809 is going to do the mentors? The one that is going to link them 382 00:26:22.849 --> 00:26:26.769 with the resources, has the backing of the Church? Is going to do 383 00:26:26.849 --> 00:26:30.970 the baby shower? Is gonna Disciple and share the Gospel? But we didn't 384 00:26:30.970 --> 00:26:36.720 have that yet, and so Angela and I were the ones that that did 385 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:41.079 that follow up and and during that time we connected her with the brick and 386 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:47.549 mortar how pregnancy resource center, which provides all kinds of classes and things for 387 00:26:47.670 --> 00:26:52.230 for MOMS that are vulnerable. But then we also found through love life, 388 00:26:52.430 --> 00:26:56.269 a family that was going to adopt both the twins. Yeah, that Kara 389 00:26:56.390 --> 00:27:00.579 loved. She loved the family she was and she was feeling good about she 390 00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:07.180 was going to bring these twins to birth and then place them in the arms 391 00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:11.420 of this wonderful other family. And that leads to another very important principle. 392 00:27:11.859 --> 00:27:17.690 Yeah, this is a discipleship opportunity. It's your mom chooses live. Yeah, 393 00:27:17.930 --> 00:27:19.970 this is an opportunity for us to disciple her. God wants to break 394 00:27:21.009 --> 00:27:23.049 that cycle that's in their life, that cycle of sin that leads them to 395 00:27:23.130 --> 00:27:27.650 the abortion center. That happens through the power of the Gospel and through discipleship. 396 00:27:27.809 --> 00:27:32.920 Yeah, so discipleship is important. So and in their lives, mentorship, 397 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:36.880 all that's important, and then following up with them. One of the 398 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.240 things that we say is that these women have often times in their lives been 399 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.630 betray they've been given promises or made promises that people didn't keep. It's been 400 00:27:45.670 --> 00:27:47.990 a lot of betrayal. We don't want to be a part of that. 401 00:27:48.269 --> 00:27:49.630 So we want to follow up and we want to do what we said we 402 00:27:49.710 --> 00:27:52.390 were going to do. If we said we're going to connect them with resources, 403 00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:57.109 if we said we're going to call them tomorrow, then call them tomorrow. 404 00:27:57.150 --> 00:28:00.220 If we say, and a lot of times what you do here locally 405 00:28:00.619 --> 00:28:03.740 and what most of our counselors do, is if they encounter a mom on 406 00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:07.579 the sidewalk that chooses life. They actually follow up with her that day, 407 00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:11.299 right later on that afternoon, and most people in this day and age like 408 00:28:11.420 --> 00:28:15.009 a text instead of a call, and it's very the chest if it's easy 409 00:28:15.170 --> 00:28:21.130 to do with the text. Yeah, and I think staying in contact for 410 00:28:21.410 --> 00:28:23.970 the next couple of days is really important. How are you doing? Yeah, 411 00:28:25.329 --> 00:28:27.319 how are you? There's some things I can pray with you about. 412 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:32.720 Things like that are really helpful. Maybe even reminding them of their appointment. 413 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.200 You know, we did make an appointment at that pregnancy center down the road. 414 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.880 You know, just want to reminds you that, not being you don't 415 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:42.589 want to be too intrusive, you're not trying to dig in their business and 416 00:28:42.630 --> 00:28:45.710 you're not trying to be, you know, trying to be pushy or anything 417 00:28:45.789 --> 00:28:48.750 like that, but just in a concerning way, follow up with them. 418 00:28:48.789 --> 00:28:52.230 Yeah, and encourage them. Yeah, one of the things I want to 419 00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:56.059 mention that I intended to mention the couple of previous points when we talked about 420 00:28:56.059 --> 00:29:00.180 the pregnancy centers and things like that. Just a practical point for you guys. 421 00:29:00.500 --> 00:29:03.339 If there is a pregnancy center down the road, maybe ten or fifteen 422 00:29:03.339 --> 00:29:06.460 minutes, make out a map of that pregnancy center, do it on like 423 00:29:06.500 --> 00:29:08.859 a little card or something like that, and then on that little card, 424 00:29:08.900 --> 00:29:12.130 I mean you can do stuff on vista print really cheap nowadays. You can 425 00:29:12.170 --> 00:29:15.970 use, I use an APP online called canva where you can create stuff really 426 00:29:17.009 --> 00:29:19.009 easily. You can make out a map of where that pregnancy center is from 427 00:29:19.009 --> 00:29:22.890 the abortion center and maybe even on that right the appointment time and day. 428 00:29:22.890 --> 00:29:26.599 If you as a great main an appointment, if they're going to go and 429 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.599 they're not going to jump in the car with you and you're going to drive 430 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:30.519 them there and they're not going to follow you there, but they're going to 431 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.359 go themselves, go ahead and call ahead. That's an important thing that I 432 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.960 did want to mention, so we didn't miss that one. But follow up 433 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:42.269 is really important. discipleship is really important in the follow up really is discipleship, 434 00:29:42.509 --> 00:29:45.269 because what you do, I think is really awesome, Vicki, is 435 00:29:45.349 --> 00:29:48.630 you follow up with them and you've got women that you followed up with for, 436 00:29:49.069 --> 00:29:52.539 I mean, what five, six, seven years that you send an 437 00:29:52.539 --> 00:29:56.059 email out to them every morning with a different scripture, and it's just a 438 00:29:56.140 --> 00:30:00.900 way of discipleship. Yeah, some response like et responses all the time, 439 00:30:00.980 --> 00:30:07.140 and if it's if it's someone like sadly, last night, actually early early 440 00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:11.250 this morning, I got the text from someone who is currently miscarrying, one 441 00:30:11.289 --> 00:30:15.730 of those moms that I follow, and she said that she was not up 442 00:30:15.769 --> 00:30:18.730 to talking and that I would not hear from her today. Totally understand that, 443 00:30:19.049 --> 00:30:23.440 but I as I was doing my morning figuring out which scripture to send, 444 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.039 I really thought and prayed about her. Yeah, and and I made 445 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:33.160 it specific to her situation, though it was something that would benefit anyone reading 446 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.309 it, but because she, of all of them I know, was going 447 00:30:37.430 --> 00:30:41.630 through a really rough time, I really tailored what I sent out this morning 448 00:30:41.150 --> 00:30:45.190 to her. And I was going to say in terms of the follow up, 449 00:30:45.750 --> 00:30:51.980 it should be relational and reminding and painting vision, but I do believe 450 00:30:52.339 --> 00:30:56.420 were always it should include a reference to God in some way, a real 451 00:30:56.940 --> 00:31:03.619 a reminder of why we're choosing life from a the bigger picture. Yeah, 452 00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:08.529 the Biblical standpoint, God's Lens of why choosing life is so valuable, so 453 00:31:08.690 --> 00:31:15.490 important. So so follow up. So so we did. Angel and I 454 00:31:15.609 --> 00:31:19.480 both stayed in touch. There were many struggles. The struggles continued folks when 455 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.960 they choose life, it's really just the beginning. We are not here to 456 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.039 lie to them and say that your life is going to automatically change. It 457 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.680 doesn't, right and and you don't want to set them up for failure in 458 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.630 anger at God by making that false promise. Yeah, in most cases that 459 00:31:34.829 --> 00:31:41.269 is not what happens. But her she had a really rough relationship with her 460 00:31:41.430 --> 00:31:47.539 mother in particular, and I was able to actually call her mother. I 461 00:31:47.740 --> 00:31:51.779 honestly don't remember all the circumstances about how that came about, but I know 462 00:31:51.940 --> 00:31:56.900 that there were some nasty stuff going on with the mom and I felt that 463 00:31:56.059 --> 00:32:01.329 the only way that Cara was going to be nurtured and remain firm in her 464 00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:07.690 choice for life was if I could somehow help smooth the relationship with her mother. 465 00:32:07.730 --> 00:32:12.369 Yeah, and I did, and and it did help. And so 466 00:32:12.890 --> 00:32:16.680 that leads to another you can't always do this, but it is another principle. 467 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.519 If you're able to, yeah, absolutely, if you're able to address 468 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.920 the circumstances in their environment, in the things that are going on their life. 469 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.789 When a woman leaves the abortion center having chosen life, she's still going 470 00:32:30.029 --> 00:32:35.349 back to the same environment. Hey, the same family situation, the same 471 00:32:35.430 --> 00:32:39.150 marriage situation, the same situation with her parents or or with whoever, with 472 00:32:39.269 --> 00:32:44.859 her boyfriend or whatever. And so if you can address those issues and you 473 00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:47.420 can take care of those things, because if the devil will have his way, 474 00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:51.900 obviously she would kill her baby and when she goes back into that same 475 00:32:51.980 --> 00:32:53.500 situation that led her to that place, the devil's going to still try to 476 00:32:53.539 --> 00:32:58.019 use those same things, those same influences, to be able to get her 477 00:32:58.059 --> 00:33:00.289 to go back to the abortion center. We've had women, and I think 478 00:33:00.329 --> 00:33:06.049 we did share on a podcast some time ago about a young lady who came 479 00:33:06.569 --> 00:33:09.769 like five, four or five different times to the abortion center to a board. 480 00:33:09.849 --> 00:33:14.480 Yeah, and yet always do this. Of course, you can't get 481 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.119 ahold of the mom like you did in care of situation or the husband or 482 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.400 whatever. Yeah, but if it's possible and you can even talk to the 483 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.400 family members. Now that's getting a little bold right, dealing with the mom 484 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:28.150 who's pressing her to abort, but if the Lord opens up that door, 485 00:33:28.710 --> 00:33:30.390 do it. I've talked to DAD's, I've talked to young men that are 486 00:33:30.390 --> 00:33:35.910 pressing their girlfriend to have an abortion and being able to help talk them down 487 00:33:36.109 --> 00:33:40.029 from being a jerk and pressing her to have the abortion. I've had lunch. 488 00:33:40.390 --> 00:33:44.180 I remember one young man that I went and had lunch with him. 489 00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:47.700 His girlfriend had come to the abortion clinic. He was not really pressure in 490 00:33:47.779 --> 00:33:52.779 her to have the abortion, but he was really apathetic toward the abortion and 491 00:33:52.900 --> 00:33:54.809 he could care less. And so I was able to have lunch with him 492 00:33:55.130 --> 00:33:59.130 and the Lord said that whole thing. I got his phone number actually from 493 00:33:59.130 --> 00:34:04.170 her after she had chosen life. Had lunch with him, really drilled into 494 00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:07.130 him as much as I could some biblical truth about manhood, about being a 495 00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:10.119 father, being what God has called him to be as a father, and 496 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:16.239 was really addressing those environmental situation yes in her life and it made a difference. 497 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.360 Yeah, I don't know for how long, but he definitely stepped up 498 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.349 to the plate to at least to some degree. I remember that situation. 499 00:34:24.349 --> 00:34:31.590 Frequently you will encounter teens or young people who are terrified of telling their mother 500 00:34:31.869 --> 00:34:37.110 and we always offer we're happy to tell her with you, either on a 501 00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:42.699 call or will come visit and we'll we'll talk with your mom with you, 502 00:34:42.860 --> 00:34:47.940 and that's sometimes gives those teens or young people the courage to choose life because 503 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:52.260 they know they've got an ally. Yes, gonna go and talk with their 504 00:34:52.340 --> 00:34:54.889 mom. I know we had one situation with a brother who used to be 505 00:34:54.929 --> 00:34:58.570 out here. He's actually since move. Him and his wife have moved to 506 00:34:58.610 --> 00:35:01.650 Tennessee Tom and Carolyn. Okay, yeah, awesome couple. They are older 507 00:35:01.769 --> 00:35:06.690 couple and they're grandparents at this point, right, but just godly people. 508 00:35:06.809 --> 00:35:08.639 And there was a young lady that came to the abortions hitter here on the 509 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.119 trobe drive and her main fear was telling her parents about the fact that she 510 00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.440 was pregnant. She came on board the Mobile Unit. She chose if she 511 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:19.800 didn't want to have the abortion, but she was afraid of her parents and 512 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.550 what they would say. And so tom and Carolyn said, Hey, will 513 00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:27.710 follow you home and we'll share it with your mom and with your dad. 514 00:35:27.909 --> 00:35:30.869 will do it, and they actually did. They went that day, okay, 515 00:35:30.989 --> 00:35:32.269 and I think she lived like an hour and a half, two hours 516 00:35:32.269 --> 00:35:37.780 away, and they sat down with her parents talk from because Tom is a 517 00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:42.940 pastor and so he talked from a pastoral perspective and they're actually still friends with 518 00:35:43.099 --> 00:35:47.059 that mom and with her mother, that young lady that chose life and with 519 00:35:47.179 --> 00:35:51.730 the mother and the father to this day. From my understanding, they still 520 00:35:51.730 --> 00:35:54.610 keep in touch from Tom Yeah, and I mean that is going the extra 521 00:35:54.730 --> 00:35:59.730 mile, but it truly can make the difference. It often is the deciding 522 00:35:59.849 --> 00:36:02.809 factor, especially with teens. They're afraid to tell their mom's life or death 523 00:36:02.849 --> 00:36:07.440 hinges on. What's going to give them the courage to tell their mom? 524 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.440 Yeah, so really, really important principle. Absolutely. Yeah, I want 525 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.039 to encourage you, guys, because we're sharing maybe some some stuff. Like 526 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:16.440 some of you guys are just brand new, some of you are maybe not 527 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.750 even on the sidewalking maybe you're getting afraid, like, ooh, I can't 528 00:36:20.750 --> 00:36:23.030 be involved in all of this. Neither could we. I'm just telling you 529 00:36:23.309 --> 00:36:28.869 from just our natural mindsets and perspective, I could never be involved in these 530 00:36:28.909 --> 00:36:32.059 situations. Yeah, God is not invested in keeping you in your comfort zone. 531 00:36:32.380 --> 00:36:36.219 God is invested in making you more like Jesus, and a lot of 532 00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:38.179 times that's you getting out of your comfort zone. God's not going to put 533 00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:43.739 you in a situation that he can't handle through you. You've got to trust 534 00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:46.099 the Lord and all of these things. You've got to trust the Lord that 535 00:36:46.170 --> 00:36:50.050 he's going to give you the words to say. Will Give you some principles. 536 00:36:50.090 --> 00:36:52.849 Right, we're giving you some principles. We can never tell you everything 537 00:36:52.969 --> 00:36:54.610 to say just right. God will give you what to say. God will 538 00:36:54.650 --> 00:36:59.449 give you the how to say what you need to say in the moment. 539 00:36:59.610 --> 00:37:01.440 You've got to trust him. It's what's so important that you need to be. 540 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.320 Need to be walking with the Lord Man when you're out there on the 541 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.840 side. Yeah, and you may not have to do all this your first 542 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:14.960 time. I like you know it. I think God is so gracious in 543 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.510 bringing you gradually to the place that you need to be to be able to 544 00:37:20.590 --> 00:37:23.230 be yeah, you know, as effective as possible he will. He will 545 00:37:23.230 --> 00:37:27.309 guide you, lead you along the way, and he doesn't do it all 546 00:37:27.349 --> 00:37:30.179 at once. It's just like through the promised land. He didn't take them 547 00:37:30.219 --> 00:37:32.219 in one day or it was only supposed to take really five days, ten 548 00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:35.780 days, something like that. took him forty years. Yeah, because he 549 00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:39.300 does lead US under at our pace, at our ability to move forward, 550 00:37:39.340 --> 00:37:44.570 but he does try to move us forward. So that's a really great principle. 551 00:37:45.329 --> 00:37:50.329 So next we had shared the Gospel. Kara did submit her life to 552 00:37:50.449 --> 00:37:57.170 Jesus. Whenever that happens. That is monumental. Yeah, because that is 553 00:37:57.289 --> 00:38:00.840 going to you can keep going back when they waiver, and they will even 554 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.639 carrot did, and it happens in my experience almost every time. Once there's 555 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.960 been a choice for life, there is still wavering back and forth. And 556 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.159 when they do, if they're honest and tell you, which some of them 557 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.590 do, especially the ones who have committed their life to the Lord, then 558 00:38:15.670 --> 00:38:19.909 you can say, but wait, you've just committed your life to Jesus. 559 00:38:19.949 --> 00:38:22.989 Jesus himself says, why do you call me Lord, Lord and not do 560 00:38:22.110 --> 00:38:28.420 what I say? Do you think that God would now have you? Well, 561 00:38:28.579 --> 00:38:31.980 ever, but especially now, kill your baby and and you've got that 562 00:38:32.139 --> 00:38:37.260 kind of extra push to know, be firm in the commitment you just made. 563 00:38:38.019 --> 00:38:42.409 So she's growing leaps and bounds in the Lord she appeared to be. 564 00:38:42.610 --> 00:38:45.369 She was just on fire. Yeah, Jesus. And what we're talking about 565 00:38:45.369 --> 00:38:50.570 now, this is kind of after the encounter at the abortion center. She's 566 00:38:50.570 --> 00:38:54.130 chosen life. You followed up, you've discipled. She's been connected with appointments 567 00:38:54.210 --> 00:38:58.079 and things like that, and Angela's well, it wasn't just me. She's 568 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.000 being mentored and being discipled right so she's solid. She's walking with the Lord 569 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.679 Right. He's yeah, you're going well in her life and our walk with 570 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.360 Lord. Her situations still not a bet of roses, but there's getting to 571 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.070 change. So the abuse of husband was out of the picture now. I 572 00:39:10.110 --> 00:39:14.469 think he was in jail at that point. So, so he's out of 573 00:39:14.510 --> 00:39:16.829 the picture. She had started the adoption process and that is all lined up 574 00:39:16.869 --> 00:39:21.909 and ready to go and it looks like she's on a great path and she 575 00:39:22.269 --> 00:39:28.380 is loving God and so excited about what God has done and she's falling in 576 00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:31.380 love with the twins. At this point she is still planning to place them 577 00:39:31.420 --> 00:39:37.809 for adoption, but she loved them. And then tragedy strikes. And don't 578 00:39:37.849 --> 00:39:43.570 be surprised if, if tragedy does strike, like I just described today, 579 00:39:43.610 --> 00:39:49.489 there's a mom who chose life and then she's miscarrying. It does happen. 580 00:39:49.690 --> 00:39:53.880 Yeah, and so what happened with Kara is the twins came early, and 581 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:58.519 too early. I believe it was twenty four weeks, might have even been 582 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.639 only twenty three. And they did. One hung on a little bit longer 583 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:07.510 than the other, but both of them did ultimately within I think it was 584 00:40:07.630 --> 00:40:15.110 only a few days they did both die, and that was just devastating. 585 00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:19.949 Now there's a lot of things to think about what has happened here. One 586 00:40:20.269 --> 00:40:23.980 this is a woman who thought about killing the babies. Chooses life, chooses 587 00:40:24.219 --> 00:40:29.659 God, and one way of looking at what happened, I'm not saying this 588 00:40:29.659 --> 00:40:32.340 is right, don't get me wrong, but one way that often happens is 589 00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:37.809 why did you do that to me, God? I made the right choice. 590 00:40:37.329 --> 00:40:40.849 How could you take them from me? Now? Yeah, it is 591 00:40:42.010 --> 00:40:45.170 such a common response. We need to know it's going to probably be the 592 00:40:45.250 --> 00:40:51.840 response and be ready to deal with that. But for Kara, she went 593 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:58.440 into a deep tailspin, deep, deep depression. Wondered where was God. 594 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.119 She had done everything right. Why had got abandoned her? How could God 595 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.070 allow this to happen? And it spiral down so far that she herself ended 596 00:41:07.110 --> 00:41:09.789 up in jail. And I'm not going to go into this pacifics, because 597 00:41:09.789 --> 00:41:15.150 I don't want to identify her. But that leads to again another really important 598 00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:19.380 press. Yeah, yeah, and that principle is don't neglect sharing the gospel. 599 00:41:19.900 --> 00:41:23.380 And even though, unfortunately, even after her submitting her life to Jesus 600 00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:27.739 and it it seemed legit right. I mean it was not just playing around 601 00:41:27.739 --> 00:41:30.820 when just her check in some box. It wouldn't just her right to say 602 00:41:30.860 --> 00:41:32.929 in the sinner's prayer. She submitted her life to Jesus and there were changes, 603 00:41:34.010 --> 00:41:37.449 I mean there were life changes that we were seeing. She was truly 604 00:41:37.610 --> 00:41:40.050 growing in the Lord from every indication. Yeah, and then, of course, 605 00:41:40.210 --> 00:41:45.369 tragedy struck, like from any of you listening, yeah, and myself 606 00:41:45.610 --> 00:41:49.679 included in yourself including, we've had traded yeah, striking, we've made bad 607 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:54.719 decisions, we've sinned and even as believers, believers to sin from time to 608 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.840 time. Guys, it happens, and it happened to her. And yet 609 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.670 still, because the Gospel is shared with her, there is still that seed 610 00:42:01.829 --> 00:42:05.989 of the Gospel that remained in her heart. There were still that truth of 611 00:42:06.070 --> 00:42:08.309 God's word in the fact that she surrendered her life to Jesus. She made 612 00:42:08.349 --> 00:42:13.389 a commitment to the Lord and he made a commitment to her, and so 613 00:42:13.590 --> 00:42:15.940 she was grounded in some way. Even though the ground was shaky under her, 614 00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:21.300 the ground of the Gospel was not shaken and she may not have, 615 00:42:21.579 --> 00:42:27.179 at that point in her life, recognized that God was still there for her, 616 00:42:27.739 --> 00:42:30.289 but I love how you said that that seed had been planted, it 617 00:42:30.449 --> 00:42:37.369 had taken root and surprisingly, over the next few months she I don't I 618 00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:40.650 think she was put on some sort of house arrest. So she I don't 619 00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:44.210 think she was in jail long. I don't really remember that part. But 620 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.079 she remained in touch with me. She contacted me through facebook. She was 621 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:50.840 on my email list that, you know, I send out every morning. 622 00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.760 So she was getting daily Bible versus from me and we would check in with 623 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:59.110 each other every few months. I didn't know a lot of what was going 624 00:42:59.230 --> 00:43:02.230 on in her life, but every so often she'd pop up in my facebook 625 00:43:02.309 --> 00:43:06.909 news feed or she dancer one of my Bible texts, and I knew that 626 00:43:07.190 --> 00:43:09.510 she was working, she had friends, she was rebuilding her life. There 627 00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:14.539 were some things I saw that concerned me, but she was, before that 628 00:43:14.739 --> 00:43:19.219 disaster structure, was a baby Christian. So I wasn't surprised, yeah, 629 00:43:19.460 --> 00:43:24.539 that she wasn't a mature believer with with evident fruit in every area of her 630 00:43:24.579 --> 00:43:30.530 life. But this Christmas I received a text from her and I'm going to 631 00:43:30.610 --> 00:43:34.849 I'm going to read that to you. Hey, Vicki three years ago I 632 00:43:35.050 --> 00:43:38.690 lost two babies and this year on Christmas Eve. God has gifted me with 633 00:43:38.809 --> 00:43:45.000 an amazing husband that loves me and treats me well, my first home and 634 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:50.519 a new baby on the way. I think about you often and all of 635 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.639 you and am so grateful for everything you do. You all changed my life 636 00:43:54.949 --> 00:44:00.630 more than you could ever know. Thank you, Mary Christmas. Amen. 637 00:44:00.869 --> 00:44:07.070 Yeah, so that leads to another really important principle, to stay connected, 638 00:44:07.510 --> 00:44:13.500 stay connected, stay connected with sea. Yeah, absolutely, and some of 639 00:44:13.539 --> 00:44:15.699 these women that maybe you want to stay connected with, maybe they don't want 640 00:44:15.699 --> 00:44:20.260 to stay connected with you and you know you don't want to be annoying, 641 00:44:20.300 --> 00:44:23.849 you don't want to be a pest to them, but I would every once 642 00:44:23.889 --> 00:44:27.929 in a while, if you can shoot him over an email. I know 643 00:44:28.010 --> 00:44:30.329 you stay connected with all of these MOMS that will allow you to, let's 644 00:44:30.329 --> 00:44:35.289 say, block your email right. Yeah, and they're able to reach back 645 00:44:35.329 --> 00:44:37.369 out of you. It's three years later she reaches back out of you with 646 00:44:37.409 --> 00:44:40.440 this encouraging word just said. It was an encouragement to all of us. 647 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.719 She was very careful to say you all. She knew it was not me, 648 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.440 it was not it there. We had a whole team of people and 649 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:55.190 she just was she was so grateful. So I responded just tearfully and joyfully 650 00:44:55.829 --> 00:45:00.829 and and asked her some questions about what had transpired over those three years. 651 00:45:01.510 --> 00:45:06.469 She said that she had actually tried to follow God. She had tailspind then 652 00:45:06.550 --> 00:45:10.139 she had tried to follow God and had come full circle. She came around 653 00:45:10.340 --> 00:45:15.099 to a point where she understood his timing and provision was perfect. He was 654 00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:20.460 always there as he was rebuilding her life from that just bottom pit low. 655 00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:24.809 She could see miracles in retrospect. She as she's going through it, she 656 00:45:24.929 --> 00:45:30.610 could not. All she could see was the pain. But she's rebuilding her 657 00:45:30.650 --> 00:45:34.889 life. She sees God guiding her and she's the word refining her. Or 658 00:45:35.050 --> 00:45:38.280 even with the death of her twins. I don't think she was saying God 659 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:45.199 took the twins, but that he used that to refine and prepare her for 660 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.510 just what he had in store for her, that his plan and purpose was 661 00:45:50.829 --> 00:45:59.150 ultimately perfectly enacted revealed, and and the faith that she had come to when 662 00:45:59.190 --> 00:46:02.710 she met US had kindled and grown even in the midst of all of that 663 00:46:02.869 --> 00:46:07.260 backsliding and despair. And that's so important because we sometimes give up on them. 664 00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:12.059 Yeah too, because we think, look at how far they fallen from 665 00:46:12.099 --> 00:46:15.380 where we gave them everything. What are they what are they doing? Falling 666 00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:19.050 back into that slimy pit they came from? That's not the end of the 667 00:46:19.170 --> 00:46:22.929 story. Yeah, yeah, and that leads us to the next principle as 668 00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:27.050 we start rapping this thing up. Yeah, is never give up. Yeah, 669 00:46:27.650 --> 00:46:32.039 just because mom that you've connected with, or even you've poured into on 670 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:37.159 the sidewalk and she walks into the abortion center, never give up. It's 671 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.440 not our job to change their hearts. It's not our job. We're supposed 672 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:43.840 to disciple those who turned to the Lord and it is our job to disciple 673 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.039 them and to sow the word of God into them as much as we're able 674 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.949 to, but we literally can't change their hearts and make them do the right 675 00:46:49.989 --> 00:46:52.150 thing. But we should never give up. Never give up hope for these 676 00:46:52.230 --> 00:46:55.710 MOMS. Never give up hope that that baby can be saved. That woman 677 00:46:55.710 --> 00:46:59.590 has walked into that abortion center and you're tempted to just say, well, 678 00:46:59.710 --> 00:47:01.900 she's had the abortion. We've had so many testimonies of women that have chosen 679 00:47:02.099 --> 00:47:06.659 life after they talked to us, they went into the abortion center and then 680 00:47:06.699 --> 00:47:09.579 they left. Not Haven't told us that they chose life, and so situations 681 00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:14.300 like that just encourage me. Situations like her situation where she follows up with 682 00:47:14.380 --> 00:47:17.969 you three years later. Never give up, never feel like a failure just 683 00:47:19.050 --> 00:47:21.889 because it didn't turn out like you thought it would or like you thought it 684 00:47:21.929 --> 00:47:24.409 should. Yeah, because we were all devastated. So after she shared all 685 00:47:24.489 --> 00:47:30.039 of that with me, I asked her if she remembered Elijah, and she 686 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.079 would. She said of course, she would never forget Elijah, very very 687 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:39.320 important Yan in her life. And I hesitated to tell her what was new 688 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:44.159 with Elisha because I didn't want to bring her pain. But Elijah, he 689 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.110 has a ten month old baby and his wife is pregnant with twins. Yeah, 690 00:47:47.150 --> 00:47:50.469 and I thought, AH, should I tell her that? And in 691 00:47:50.550 --> 00:47:54.909 the end I felt like I should. So I told her and and she 692 00:47:55.070 --> 00:48:00.300 said Ah, Karas said, tell him congratulations. I bet he is a 693 00:48:00.579 --> 00:48:06.059 great dad. So if there is any sorrow over the sad memory of her 694 00:48:06.059 --> 00:48:10.820 twin, she didn't express it. She just expressed joy for Elijah and now 695 00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:15.050 that she realized God had always been with her and had always been guiding her, 696 00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:17.849 she didn't have any bitterness. She didn't. It should at least. 697 00:48:17.849 --> 00:48:24.289 She certainly didn't express it and and he knew what was best and she trusted 698 00:48:24.409 --> 00:48:29.920 him. And and I told her Elijah is still wearing his high top convers 699 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:36.239 sneakers and something severy door never change. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and 700 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.199 so just to wrap this thing up with, our final point is rejoice in 701 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.989 the victories that God allows us to be a part of. It is such 702 00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:47.110 a perfect we were talking the other day and that ultrasound we shared it on 703 00:48:47.269 --> 00:48:52.190 social media, ultrasound image of a little baby that was saved from abortion right 704 00:48:52.190 --> 00:48:55.139 here that that day that we were just we were talking about some things and 705 00:48:55.619 --> 00:49:00.619 I was just rejoicing in not just that a baby was say it an't it 706 00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:02.619 just to minimize that? Praise God, a baby will save, but that 707 00:49:02.739 --> 00:49:06.820 the Lord lets us get to be a part of this. Yes, pretty 708 00:49:06.820 --> 00:49:10.010 amazing. So we should rejoice that the Lord is gracious to allow us to 709 00:49:10.050 --> 00:49:13.650 be a part of what he's doing. He does the baby save and he 710 00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:15.570 does the changing of the hearts and all of that stuff. That's all his 711 00:49:15.769 --> 00:49:21.130 work, but he lets us be co laborers with him and we need to 712 00:49:21.210 --> 00:49:25.159 rejoice over that, not just rejoice in our with ourselves, with our families, 713 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.960 with our ministry partners and all of that stuff. But rejoice with the 714 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.440 moms that choose life, like you were rejoicing with Kara over that decision and 715 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.349 over initially that decision for life, but even when she lost the baby and 716 00:49:38.349 --> 00:49:43.349 ultimately she falls up with you three years later what the Lord is done in 717 00:49:43.469 --> 00:49:46.389 her life, how, even in the midst of that tragedy, that God 718 00:49:46.389 --> 00:49:50.269 has done an amazing work in her heart. For her to be able to 719 00:49:50.429 --> 00:49:55.340 say that God use that to refine her is an amazing state, pretty amazing. 720 00:49:55.460 --> 00:50:00.340 That shows you that those seats that had been planted truly had taken really 721 00:50:00.380 --> 00:50:05.219 yeah, absolutely, yeah. Well, Guy's, we hope this has been 722 00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:07.130 a blessing you guys, as we shared through this story and shared some of 723 00:50:07.210 --> 00:50:13.170 the principles that that we employed and that we even learned in the midst of 724 00:50:13.210 --> 00:50:15.449 this story. We hope to be able to share more stories of hard cases 725 00:50:15.730 --> 00:50:20.329 to help equip you guys that. We would certainly appreciate if you guys would 726 00:50:20.369 --> 00:50:22.480 reach out to us. Maybe there's some questions that you have about this story, 727 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:27.719 some of the things that we shared here, some clarifying questions that you 728 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.679 have, maybe again, even some episodes, some subjects you want us to 729 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.519 cover. We'd certainly love to do that. We'd love to hear from you. 730 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.389 So you can reach out to me at Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. 731 00:50:37.710 --> 00:50:39.670 You can reach out to her Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. But 732 00:50:39.750 --> 00:50:52.460 until next time, God bless our love for love. Give me our love 733 00:50:52.699 --> 00:51:06.090 for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, 734 00:51:06.409 --> 00:51:07.769 and some that you