April 9, 2020

God Used Coronavirus To Help Her Choose Life (Interview With A Mom Who Chose Life)

God Used Coronavirus To Help Her Choose Life (Interview With A Mom Who Chose Life)

Eboni faced betrayal by her unborn child's father. In anger and desperation, she went to New York for a late-term abortion. This all was taking place around the time that coronavirus started spreading in New York. This is the most candid interview...


Eboni faced betrayal by her unborn child's father. In anger and desperation, she went to New York for a late-term abortion. This all was taking place around the time that coronavirus started spreading in New York. This is the most candid interview we've ever done. Please listen as Eboni shares her story of how the Lord lead her to a choice for life and back to Himself.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.399 Hey, guys, welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life podcast. We have 2 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:08.789 a special treat today for you. We just did just a couple of days 3 00:00:08.830 --> 00:00:13.310 ago and interview with a young lady Ebony, who had chosen life and gotten 4 00:00:13.310 --> 00:00:19.149 connected with Vicki. It's just a probably one of the most candid interviews and 5 00:00:19.949 --> 00:00:23.899 just conversations with the woman that was going for an abortion changed her mind that 6 00:00:23.940 --> 00:00:28.179 I've ever I've ever been a part of really just so honest and sincere and 7 00:00:28.420 --> 00:00:33.619 open it was and it was such a blessing and to hear her story truly 8 00:00:34.140 --> 00:00:38.689 I when she told it to me the first time, I was literally crying. 9 00:00:38.770 --> 00:00:42.090 Yeah, yeah, there's a lot going on, you know, obviously 10 00:00:42.130 --> 00:00:45.049 in our country, for this coronavirus thing and all that. And actually, 11 00:00:45.570 --> 00:00:51.119 you know, this story actually has coronavirus thrown in there. Yeah, this, 12 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:53.479 yeah, and that's a matter of fact. As you guys listen, 13 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:58.079 you're going to hear how coronavirus in one sense, helped to save a baby's 14 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:00.799 lot. It did. It did and in fact I had just come off 15 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.920 of a rough day here and I can't remember what was going on, but 16 00:01:03.040 --> 00:01:08.150 it had to do with the coronavirus and then then contacted her and spoke with 17 00:01:08.310 --> 00:01:14.510 her her and she said basically, it was the coronavirus that ultimately, in 18 00:01:14.670 --> 00:01:18.230 the first place, saved her baby. Yeah, and draw drew her out 19 00:01:18.230 --> 00:01:21.540 of that abortion center. Yeah. Well, so, guys, with that 20 00:01:21.939 --> 00:01:25.180 any further ado, we're going to let you, guys, listen on this 21 00:01:25.260 --> 00:01:30.180 conversation that we had with Ebony and hope you're blessed as you listen. I 22 00:01:30.420 --> 00:01:36.049 Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me Lord. 23 00:01:36.530 --> 00:01:41.489 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and 24 00:01:41.769 --> 00:01:47.359 me Lord. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, 25 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:55.879 s and me Lord. Send Me, Lord. I felt show passish, 26 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:05.870 touch your heart. Use Me, Lord. Well, welcome to the Gospel 27 00:02:05.909 --> 00:02:09.830 Center prolife podcast. We have today a special guest with us. We shared 28 00:02:10.949 --> 00:02:14.870 some months ago we had a podcast with a young lady by the name of 29 00:02:14.909 --> 00:02:17.580 Jamie who chose life, and that was an awesome podcast. We got a 30 00:02:17.620 --> 00:02:21.699 lot of good feedback on that and a lot of people were encouraged. Well, 31 00:02:21.740 --> 00:02:23.819 now we have with us today Ebony. Can you say, Hey, 32 00:02:23.900 --> 00:02:29.500 Ebony, hey, how we are good. We're good. Our audios a 33 00:02:29.580 --> 00:02:32.889 little little less good than it than it normally is because we're we've got ebony 34 00:02:34.050 --> 00:02:38.409 on Skype, so we hope grown a virus and and the coronavirus thing going 35 00:02:38.449 --> 00:02:42.129 on, it's got us having to do this. That's the way that it 36 00:02:42.330 --> 00:02:46.039 is, but we do appreciate you coming on Ebony and being willing to share 37 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.800 your story. So, yeah, just getting getting into your story. And 38 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.680 you know, we encountered you, or Vickie encountered you and and you were 39 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:58.990 connect with her. Can you share a little bit about how you got connected 40 00:02:59.750 --> 00:03:06.469 with Vicky? Yes, sure, so, my brother lives in Charlotte. 41 00:03:06.469 --> 00:03:10.629 I live in South Carolina, and I reached out to him. I was 42 00:03:12.069 --> 00:03:15.500 kind of like a cry for help. He's he was a minister one time 43 00:03:16.500 --> 00:03:23.020 in New York, an ordained minister. But any who, he reached out 44 00:03:23.219 --> 00:03:31.330 to Vicky's organization and Vicky reached out to me. Okay, yeah, yeah, 45 00:03:32.129 --> 00:03:38.449 we've connected ever since and I'm thankful. I am telling someone yesterday how 46 00:03:38.530 --> 00:03:43.680 God just dropped all these great people into my life. I just to kind 47 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:50.520 of let me know you know that this is on purpose. This, yeah, 48 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:54.750 baby's not a not an accident. Yeah, yeah, well, so 49 00:03:54.870 --> 00:03:58.590 we know you know, just from a little bit I've read, and Vicki's 50 00:03:58.590 --> 00:04:01.110 share with me your story, that there was a time in your life not 51 00:04:01.389 --> 00:04:06.150 too long ago, that you were considering abortion where you didn't feel so much 52 00:04:06.229 --> 00:04:10.460 like this baby was a was a blessing, but maybe a little bit of 53 00:04:10.539 --> 00:04:14.699 a burden, and you considered abortion. Can you share a little bit about 54 00:04:14.699 --> 00:04:16.259 what was going on in your life, what was going on your heart, 55 00:04:16.300 --> 00:04:23.420 in your mind at that time? Yeah, so when I I was with 56 00:04:24.329 --> 00:04:30.689 a the father of the baby, we would gather for eight years, almost 57 00:04:30.730 --> 00:04:40.800 nine years, and when I got pregnant, I wasn't ecstatic about being pregnant 58 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:46.120 but, you know, I wasn't necessarily considering abortion. Yeah, I did. 59 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:54.069 It did cross my mind a Tom and in my early stages and then 60 00:04:54.110 --> 00:04:59.589 I kind of, you know, let that go. Well, four days 61 00:04:59.790 --> 00:05:04.750 before we were supposed to get married, he he came to me and told 62 00:05:04.750 --> 00:05:11.339 me that he had some news for me and that he did not wanted to 63 00:05:11.420 --> 00:05:15.819 affect our marriage. He still wanted to go forward with our marriage and he 64 00:05:15.980 --> 00:05:19.220 told me that he slept with his he has two daughters, a thirteen year 65 00:05:19.220 --> 00:05:23.449 old in a fifteen year old. He told me that he slept with their 66 00:05:23.569 --> 00:05:26.649 mom and she was two and a half months pregnant. He slept with her 67 00:05:26.689 --> 00:05:35.199 and Christmas and I was devastated. I was heartbroken. I felt like I 68 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:39.040 just all I could think was that I did not want this baby. I, 69 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:43.399 you know, I didn't want the attachment, I didn't want to have 70 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.920 to do it on my own. You know, I didn't really I wasn't 71 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:50.269 really ecstatic about it in the first place. I didn't look at it as 72 00:05:50.350 --> 00:05:56.430 a blessing at forty two, you know, and I'm not married. I 73 00:05:56.709 --> 00:06:02.389 looked at it like, you know, I've been sexually sinning and now this 74 00:06:02.629 --> 00:06:10.420 is a more like a punishment instead of a blessing. Yeah, so like 75 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:13.819 a lot of folks, a lot of folks listening can identify, you know, 76 00:06:13.819 --> 00:06:16.300 a lot of the ladies that we we ministered to over the years could 77 00:06:16.300 --> 00:06:21.970 identify with that sort of sense of betrayal and even, I guess, abandonment, 78 00:06:23.009 --> 00:06:25.649 which can be, you know, if a fearful place to be in, 79 00:06:25.889 --> 00:06:29.649 also kind of a an angry place to be. Him Too, was 80 00:06:29.730 --> 00:06:32.360 there some of that going on, just like almost like just angry at him 81 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:36.279 and and just man, I can't be with this guy. Yeah, I 82 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:41.439 was angry. I was angry at him, I was angry at myself, 83 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:46.680 you know, as I told Vicki yeah, I was. I was I 84 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.069 was angry at myself or allow myself to get in this position. But I 85 00:06:49.310 --> 00:06:57.670 was angry at him and I wanted him to hurt. So I just, 86 00:06:58.269 --> 00:07:01.500 I just I'm going to have baby. Yeah, you know, had this 87 00:07:01.579 --> 00:07:06.779 attachment and I ended up scheduling and abortion in New York. New York is 88 00:07:06.899 --> 00:07:12.300 the only place that will do an abortion, you know, at twenty six 89 00:07:12.500 --> 00:07:16.490 weeks. Maybe, I think, other states if there's a medical reason and 90 00:07:17.050 --> 00:07:20.209 something like that, but New York will, you know, allow you to 91 00:07:20.329 --> 00:07:26.490 do an elective abortion at twenty six weeks. Now, that's why you lived. 92 00:07:26.930 --> 00:07:30.040 You you now you live in South Carolina and at that time you lived 93 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.639 in South Carolina's that correct? Yeah, I was going to travel to go 94 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.639 get it done. Yeah, I actually, yeah, I got up there. 95 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:40.759 I went up there and I had my mom made up. You know, 96 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:44.310 I was going to go and and get rid of my baby. And 97 00:07:44.670 --> 00:07:51.189 then when I got up there, the coronavirus was, you know, just 98 00:07:51.670 --> 00:07:57.269 establishing itself in New York. You know, it's probably about maybe one fifteen 99 00:07:57.310 --> 00:08:00.779 hundred to twozo cases, something like that. Of course it was growing every 100 00:08:00.819 --> 00:08:05.339 day, but I just I was supposed to have the procedure done as a 101 00:08:05.459 --> 00:08:11.500 four day procedure. I was supposed to go on Monday and then the final 102 00:08:11.699 --> 00:08:16.569 procedure would have been on Thursday. In the in the midst of that, 103 00:08:16.649 --> 00:08:24.209 I kind of did some reading about the procedure and it was gut wrenching really. 104 00:08:24.250 --> 00:08:30.600 Yeah, but I still there was still that human part of me that 105 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.159 just for some reason, I didn't care. I just I was, you 106 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:37.320 know, and one of the things that I kept saying is, Gosh, 107 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:41.429 I'm being so selfish. And really all I kept thinking about was me, 108 00:08:41.950 --> 00:08:46.750 my feelings, how I felt. I cannot take care of this baby by 109 00:08:46.789 --> 00:08:50.070 myself. I don't want to be a own. It was just all about 110 00:08:50.190 --> 00:08:54.669 me. And Yeah, so I decided I'm going to go for and I'm 111 00:08:54.710 --> 00:09:00.379 going to get it done, and so I started reading as I was waiting 112 00:09:00.460 --> 00:09:03.980 for the day to come, because I went there on a Thursday. As 113 00:09:03.019 --> 00:09:09.059 I was waiting for Monday to approach, I started reading about the procedure and, 114 00:09:09.580 --> 00:09:13.450 you know, it's again, it's very it's gut wrenching. You know, 115 00:09:13.769 --> 00:09:16.730 they it's a when you're that far along. First of all, it's 116 00:09:16.730 --> 00:09:22.490 a baby. It's a it's a it's I mean from conception. It is 117 00:09:22.529 --> 00:09:26.320 a baby. And people can say, well, not to the heartbeats or 118 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.559 not till this and you know, certain things I have mixed feelings about, 119 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:35.879 but it is a baby. And I saw this baby. She has twelve 120 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.830 fingers, like I did, you know, and and yeah, and still 121 00:09:39.870 --> 00:09:46.590 I was still going to I'm still going to terminate her. And so the 122 00:09:46.750 --> 00:09:52.460 procedure is, you know, they put something in you and and then it 123 00:09:54.139 --> 00:10:01.019 kind of dilates you and then you come back and ultimately they dilate you and 124 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:05.700 you deliver the baby. Yeah, and they crush the skull and it's heartbreaking. 125 00:10:07.059 --> 00:10:11.809 It is it is absolutely heartbreaking. You know everything I'll say just to 126 00:10:11.049 --> 00:10:13.649 just to jump in a little bit. I'll say, you know, I 127 00:10:15.129 --> 00:10:20.649 appreciate your be be very candid and being very honest and cheering what was going 128 00:10:20.690 --> 00:10:22.080 through your mind and what was going through your heart, because not, not 129 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.759 a lot of folks are willing to come to terms with you know, the 130 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.240 you just spoke about how you were being selfish and focused about you and and 131 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.559 it was about me. And what I felt and just being open like that 132 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.509 is really helpful, you know, for people who are, you know, 133 00:10:35.590 --> 00:10:39.230 in my position, who've never been in your position, for to kind of 134 00:10:39.269 --> 00:10:43.509 understand the mindset of a woman that would go and having to have an abortion, 135 00:10:43.590 --> 00:10:48.029 especially that far along. You know, like you said, it's a 136 00:10:48.110 --> 00:10:52.179 baby at conception and you that baby, you know it was human being, 137 00:10:52.220 --> 00:10:54.860 it's a person, but when you can actually feel that baby moving inside of 138 00:10:54.940 --> 00:10:58.940 you and you know you can see very clearly on the ultrasound ten fingers and 139 00:11:00.059 --> 00:11:03.889 tin toes, it's a human life, it's a bit of a jump to 140 00:11:05.009 --> 00:11:07.289 go to an abortion clinic in New York and to go through all of that. 141 00:11:07.450 --> 00:11:11.690 So for you to share, you know, from your heart what you're 142 00:11:11.690 --> 00:11:16.450 experiencing is really helpful. Let me ask you any did were there any voices 143 00:11:16.690 --> 00:11:24.879 speaking against the abortion at this point in your life? No. Actually, 144 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:33.230 before before I went to New York, I had I put a gun to 145 00:11:33.350 --> 00:11:41.070 my head and you know, I contemplate it suicide, and this is one 146 00:11:41.190 --> 00:11:46.779 my brother has sign stepped in and and contact that you guys. I just 147 00:11:46.940 --> 00:11:52.659 did not I just did not want to be here and not. So I 148 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:58.100 sat in the bathroom and as I was sitting there, I could hit loud 149 00:11:58.940 --> 00:12:05.769 and clear, you know, I could hear go ahead and do it, 150 00:12:07.289 --> 00:12:11.610 pull the trigger, just takes a second. It'd be all over once you 151 00:12:11.690 --> 00:12:15.250 do it. Just go on and pull the trigger. Then you don't have 152 00:12:15.330 --> 00:12:22.960 to deal with this anymore. And I just like, I just I don't 153 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:30.830 know if it was, although I still did not change my mind at that 154 00:12:30.990 --> 00:12:39.470 time about the abortion, I knew that something was not that wasn't God. 155 00:12:39.830 --> 00:12:43.230 That was yeah, so what you're describing it, and I think a lot 156 00:12:43.269 --> 00:12:46.019 of us, you know, everybody has felt at some point. You probably 157 00:12:46.220 --> 00:12:50.299 you experienced it on a more heightened level, your experiencing spiritual warfare, your 158 00:12:50.340 --> 00:12:56.379 experiencing lies from the devil speaking things to you that were obviously not good. 159 00:12:58.019 --> 00:13:01.370 Did you know? That's exactly nice that. I'm sorry now it's going to 160 00:13:01.409 --> 00:13:07.129 say. That's exactly the way Vicky described it to me. Was Spiritual Warfare, 161 00:13:07.370 --> 00:13:09.570 Vicky, what were you saying that I wor I was just wondering if 162 00:13:09.690 --> 00:13:13.279 you recognized at the time, as you're litter into that voice, what are 163 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.840 you thinking? You you're thinking, okay, it's just not from God. 164 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:24.279 What did you think it was from. The only the way, the only 165 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.669 way that I can kind of make it picture clear as I just kind of 166 00:13:28.230 --> 00:13:33.629 if you ever see like a cartoon or something where you have the devil on 167 00:13:33.710 --> 00:13:39.509 one show then God on the other, I didn't hear any. I didn't 168 00:13:39.590 --> 00:13:46.460 hear God's voice. I didn't. But I knew that I'm not on the 169 00:13:46.580 --> 00:13:52.820 Devil's team and so I immediately cried out. I said God, you got 170 00:13:52.899 --> 00:13:56.769 to do something with me, you got to do something with me, because 171 00:13:58.850 --> 00:14:03.210 I I got in my car and I put that gun to my head and 172 00:14:03.570 --> 00:14:09.889 I was going to pull that trigger. And you know, we're thinking, 173 00:14:09.970 --> 00:14:11.840 God that you didn't. You know, we're glad we're able to talk to 174 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:16.960 you here and that to the the Lord, by His grace, protected you 175 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.799 from doing that. But what stopped you? I guess I never got that 176 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:26.269 a clear sense of what made you not because you've got a voice at almost 177 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:28.590 audible. You said voice that it's saying pull the trigger, just do it. 178 00:14:28.669 --> 00:14:31.629 Get it. It sounds very compelling. But I was scared all your 179 00:14:31.750 --> 00:14:37.620 despair. So I was scared. I was scared. I was scared because 180 00:14:39.620 --> 00:14:43.419 I'm not up. I'm not I'm not a person that has never had a 181 00:14:43.580 --> 00:14:48.220 relationship with God. If I, you know, stared away or walked away 182 00:14:48.379 --> 00:14:54.970 whatever I've got myself into at that moment when I when I heard that loud 183 00:14:54.009 --> 00:14:58.529 and clear, I was scared. I you know, I don't w want 184 00:14:58.570 --> 00:15:03.090 to I didn't want to die. Something in me at that moment didn't care, 185 00:15:03.330 --> 00:15:07.360 and that, boys, you know, probably is what woke me up, 186 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:13.279 like no, no, you can't die. I was afraid and I 187 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:18.559 thought about my daughter. You know, my daughter me. She needs me. 188 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.110 I didn't think about my my unborn child, but my eight year old. 189 00:15:22.710 --> 00:15:28.309 She needs me. And if I would have taken my life, you 190 00:15:28.429 --> 00:15:31.389 know, who will she be with? I don't have family here, or 191 00:15:33.190 --> 00:15:37.299 I just you know, in one sense, I think you know, it's 192 00:15:37.299 --> 00:15:41.259 almost like the devil overplayed his hand. You know, he spoke that voice, 193 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:45.340 and then you remembering because you've you know, you've been raised around the 194 00:15:45.500 --> 00:15:48.179 things of God. From what I've heard a little bit from you, you's 195 00:15:48.220 --> 00:15:50.889 at least known about the things of the Lord and his word and you knew 196 00:15:50.889 --> 00:15:54.289 that voice couldn't have come from God, because you know God comes to give 197 00:15:54.289 --> 00:15:58.450 us life, and more abundantly. So I praise God that you know you 198 00:15:58.529 --> 00:16:03.960 didn't do that and that you know you're still able to talk to us and 199 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:08.320 and the Lord is working in your life. If you could have any talk 200 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:12.879 a little bit about because I'm after that point it wasn't like you decided to 201 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.600 keep the baby at that point. You you still went ahead and went to 202 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.190 New York, right. So what was what was going through your mind as 203 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:25.230 you were to just had that experience and now you're going to New York to 204 00:16:25.309 --> 00:16:27.750 potentially get through with this abortion? What was going through your mind and your 205 00:16:27.830 --> 00:16:32.899 heart on the way to New York? Is that spiritual warfare still going home? 206 00:16:32.980 --> 00:16:38.299 I'm sure it was. Yeah, well, when I was contemplate and 207 00:16:40.299 --> 00:16:45.379 you know, when I went to when I was going to take my life, 208 00:16:45.059 --> 00:16:51.809 it wasn't even that I felt like hopeless or I didn't want this baby, 209 00:16:52.210 --> 00:16:56.649 and which was what heightened that that feeling. So even after that, 210 00:16:57.250 --> 00:17:00.769 you know, that was one hurdle over. Okay, I'm not going to 211 00:17:00.850 --> 00:17:04.200 kill myself, clearly that's not the right thing to do. Mackenzie needs me, 212 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:10.880 but I am still going to get rid of this baby because I don't 213 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:17.750 want this baby and I don't know how I'll make it another four months pregnant, 214 00:17:17.789 --> 00:17:19.309 I don't know how I'll make it. I just won't make it. 215 00:17:19.549 --> 00:17:26.750 So I just felt like I just I still didn't want there was nothing else, 216 00:17:27.829 --> 00:17:32.220 there was nothing in me that felt like keeping this baby was the right 217 00:17:32.259 --> 00:17:36.059 yeah, you drive to New York here? Did you take a plane? 218 00:17:36.700 --> 00:17:41.019 I Wu yeah, flew to New York. Yeah, yeah, and that 219 00:17:41.180 --> 00:17:42.619 was a kind of, like you said, at the very beginning of the 220 00:17:42.740 --> 00:17:47.650 coronavirus scare and all of that. So people are still flying and all that 221 00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:52.849 probably pretty pretty, I guess, surreal thing going on. As you yeah, 222 00:17:52.970 --> 00:17:56.809 you're flying there some. Yeah, where did you? What did you 223 00:17:56.250 --> 00:17:59.839 end up at? As far as the abortion clinic there in New York, 224 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:03.359 there's there's several of them there. You know what's abortion clinic? You? 225 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:08.359 I didn't. It wasn't an abortion clinic. They actually referred me because I've 226 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:15.950 had so many surgeries, I have a lot of scar tissue and adhesion. 227 00:18:15.150 --> 00:18:19.869 So I actually would have had to have my procedure done at Bellevue Hospital. 228 00:18:21.430 --> 00:18:25.549 Okay, Belle view, I'm outside our the only two, and Bellevue is 229 00:18:25.630 --> 00:18:30.180 the one that's accepts my insurance. YEA, so my my procedure would have 230 00:18:30.220 --> 00:18:34.940 been done at Bellevue. Okay. Yeah, and so you went there and 231 00:18:36.019 --> 00:18:38.259 you kind of checked in at the hospital at that point? Or did you 232 00:18:38.380 --> 00:18:45.410 even check in? No, I didn't check in. I just once I 233 00:18:45.569 --> 00:18:51.690 got I got to the point of reading and I still hadn't changed my mind. 234 00:18:51.890 --> 00:18:56.640 They got to Monday morning and, you know, I was getting myself 235 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:03.160 up and getting myself you know, I was getting myself ready and I was 236 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:11.190 looking at seeing in and those numbers were rising and they had Belle view is 237 00:19:11.269 --> 00:19:15.430 actually one of the hospitals that were housing some of the corona patients. Okay, 238 00:19:17.710 --> 00:19:23.269 and so that with I don't know what it at that point that, 239 00:19:23.980 --> 00:19:27.500 you know, I said I could I could die either way. You know, 240 00:19:27.660 --> 00:19:33.019 I could I could go in there and and have an abortion, I 241 00:19:33.099 --> 00:19:38.769 can die while they're delivering the baby because even me being forty two, I'm 242 00:19:38.809 --> 00:19:44.970 high risk and I have to have several die, have to have a hematologist 243 00:19:45.089 --> 00:19:48.250 in the room with me because of their fear that I could bleed the death. 244 00:19:49.450 --> 00:19:55.039 And I don't think during an abortion they would have cared enough to especially 245 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.680 with corona going on. There so many things going on in these doctors and 246 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:02.599 there. So I don't know if they would have had a hematologist there to 247 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:04.759 make sure that I didn't bleed to the you know, this is, yeah, 248 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:10.069 this is a procedure that I was electing to do. It wasn't you 249 00:20:10.190 --> 00:20:12.630 know. So I didn't know what the care level would be. And then, 250 00:20:12.910 --> 00:20:15.630 besides that, I just I just kept thinking, you know, I 251 00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:22.940 could die delivering this baby, I could die aboarding this baby, I could 252 00:20:23.019 --> 00:20:26.740 die just walking in the hospital, I could get sick because there's people there 253 00:20:27.059 --> 00:20:33.460 their housing, people with coronavirus. And then the things that I read it 254 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:37.009 I just, you know, it just stopped me. Coronavirus scared me. 255 00:20:37.849 --> 00:20:41.890 There just was no way. Everything was against you know, the odds. 256 00:20:42.690 --> 00:20:49.279 It was just too much and I just started feeling like that's not the right 257 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:53.519 thing to do, you know, and God put things in my way to 258 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:00.079 that's how I feel. I feel like you put things in my way to 259 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:04.230 to show me, you know, this is not the right thing to do. 260 00:21:06.069 --> 00:21:10.509 She he did speak something to me. He did, you know, 261 00:21:10.750 --> 00:21:15.670 as I prayed and you know, he did say to me if if you 262 00:21:15.829 --> 00:21:19.980 take a life that doesn't belong to you, the consequences will be worse. 263 00:21:21.740 --> 00:21:26.380 And that was after the whole. You know, could this is why I'm 264 00:21:26.420 --> 00:21:30.299 in New York. You know, I was like really going through up and 265 00:21:30.460 --> 00:21:36.170 down battles and I just all I knew is I didn't want this baby. 266 00:21:36.690 --> 00:21:40.490 But, you know, after praying and just, you know, asking God 267 00:21:40.569 --> 00:21:44.569 to do something with me, and seeing all these people dying with this virus 268 00:21:44.730 --> 00:21:49.640 and you know, there's people that can't have kids and here I am taking 269 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:56.880 away one. And you know, just the the the articles I was reading 270 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:02.750 about abortions and the actual procedure that that that I would have had to go 271 00:22:03.029 --> 00:22:04.509 through. It just, you know, he put all of these things in 272 00:22:04.670 --> 00:22:08.990 front of me and I just it's just not the right thing to do. 273 00:22:10.910 --> 00:22:14.670 So there was just shift at this point where you're actually thinking about God, 274 00:22:14.710 --> 00:22:18.099 you're feeling like God was speaking to you, you're feeling like God was putting 275 00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:22.660 barriers up. Had you been in and you mentioned praying to God? Had 276 00:22:22.740 --> 00:22:27.019 that been the case prior to flying out to New York? Had you been 277 00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:33.609 praying and feeling like you were hearing God, nor even attempting? What was 278 00:22:33.690 --> 00:22:38.170 going on in terms of your relationship with God at that point? I didn't 279 00:22:38.289 --> 00:22:45.319 pray on purpose, I didn't pray on purpose because I, you know, 280 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:51.960 the spiritual side of me, I still read my Bible and you know, 281 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.880 things like that, but the my carnal mine just took over that and I 282 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:03.950 haven't been doing you know, I'm still I was still sleeping here with someone 283 00:23:04.309 --> 00:23:07.990 and I wasn't married yet, and so, you know, I still wasn't 284 00:23:08.069 --> 00:23:12.380 living the life that I really should have been living. You know, with 285 00:23:12.619 --> 00:23:18.700 God is either there's no in between, you know, black and white. 286 00:23:18.700 --> 00:23:22.619 There's really no gray in the middle. Your then are you out. And 287 00:23:22.900 --> 00:23:30.849 so when I purposely didn't pray because I didn't want to hear I you know, 288 00:23:30.009 --> 00:23:34.329 I didn't want him to tell me not to do it. I didn't 289 00:23:34.329 --> 00:23:41.210 want him to send someone to, you know, speak to me for him. 290 00:23:41.210 --> 00:23:45.079 I didn't want you know, you can, you can hear God and 291 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.640 deny. You know that you hear him. That's not God talking to me, 292 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.400 that's not God, but he always confirms things and so, you know, 293 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.470 he could have sent someone to me. I just didn't want to hear 294 00:23:56.589 --> 00:24:02.990 anything. And I even had a friend who I was speaking to during this 295 00:24:03.150 --> 00:24:04.789 time and I even told US I don't want to hear anything about God. 296 00:24:06.029 --> 00:24:07.869 So if you're going to talk to me about God. I don't want to 297 00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:11.500 hear it. I don't want to hear it. Yeah, and so I 298 00:24:11.619 --> 00:24:15.460 didn't want to hear because she knew his answer basically, right. Yeah, 299 00:24:15.500 --> 00:24:23.259 yeah, yeah, so you're in you're in New York and you've now you're 300 00:24:23.490 --> 00:24:29.329 terrified. Basically Corona, who was killing so many people, saved your baby, 301 00:24:29.410 --> 00:24:32.650 I mean at you. Out of fear of Corona, turned away, 302 00:24:33.049 --> 00:24:36.970 never went. What happened next? Did you just fly right back home or 303 00:24:37.650 --> 00:24:41.599 I flew back home? Yeah, and what's going on in your head through 304 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:47.599 all of that? Are you still feeling totally torn up or no, I 305 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:59.950 actually didn't have any feeling of abordant the baby. I it was like a 306 00:25:00.269 --> 00:25:06.549 complete shift in that aspect. I did contemplate other things like adoption and stuff 307 00:25:06.630 --> 00:25:12.940 like that, but abortion was no longer an option and I went back just 308 00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:19.500 I came back home just thinking, wow, I can't believe what I just 309 00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:25.130 went through. It wasn't even, you know, it wasn't even me, 310 00:25:25.329 --> 00:25:32.250 I wasn't even myself, and I'm just so thankful because I can't imagine the 311 00:25:33.369 --> 00:25:42.960 emotional, maybe mental torment that I would have had to experience after after that. 312 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.440 Yeah, I know, you know, just you know from my perspective. 313 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.430 You know, I've never been in your shoes before. You know, 314 00:25:51.470 --> 00:25:53.869 I was a father pretty young, so I know a little bit, you 315 00:25:53.950 --> 00:25:57.990 know, from the from the guys perspective, but from a woman's respective obviously 316 00:25:57.990 --> 00:26:00.869 I don't. I don't know. So you to share your hearts really helpful 317 00:26:00.910 --> 00:26:03.940 for me and I know it'll be really helpful for people that are listening, 318 00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:08.819 because you know people. People think you know some folks that you know. 319 00:26:08.980 --> 00:26:12.380 Just going into an abortion clinic. Women just flippantly go in and they you 320 00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:17.059 know, you spoken a lot about the selfishness that you were embracing and all 321 00:26:17.140 --> 00:26:19.369 of that, but you didn't just go with this thing flippantly. There's some 322 00:26:19.529 --> 00:26:22.170 fear and there's a lot of stuff going on, a lot of anxiety, 323 00:26:22.170 --> 00:26:27.170 a lot of issues in your life, and they fully the Lord put things 324 00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:30.650 in your path you keep you from going in and doing that and you heeded 325 00:26:30.769 --> 00:26:36.119 his voice and that sense and we're thankful for that. But the Lord also, 326 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.599 after you got back home, also put Vicky in your life. Right, 327 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:44.480 yes, yeah, talk a little bit about that relationship and just some 328 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.309 of the things because you know, obviously your situation didn't go away. You 329 00:26:48.390 --> 00:26:51.470 know, you weren't New York anymore, you weren't contemplate an abortion anymore, 330 00:26:51.710 --> 00:26:55.390 but they're still struggles and those kind of things. What are as far as 331 00:26:55.390 --> 00:27:00.190 the relationship with Vicki, what happened that helped you along in that relationship? 332 00:27:00.230 --> 00:27:06.740 If you understand what I'm asking, let me say that I sent my brother. 333 00:27:07.819 --> 00:27:11.420 My brother is not he doesn't answer his phone. Okay, a lie, 334 00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:18.930 and so most brothers. Yeah, so I still have a picture of 335 00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:25.369 me with that gun to my head and it was more like, Hey, 336 00:27:25.410 --> 00:27:26.809 I need you to call me, this is serious. You know, I 337 00:27:26.890 --> 00:27:30.119 didn't say that, I just said him the picture. Yeah, and he 338 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.119 called me back right away, you know, and this, of course, 339 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.839 is before I left for New York. But okay, he had reached out 340 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:45.069 to Vicky's organization. He reached out to them before I let that day. 341 00:27:45.269 --> 00:27:47.630 You know, he was calling people and I called us, to us, 342 00:27:47.670 --> 00:27:49.430 I you know, he said call this number, call this number, there's 343 00:27:49.509 --> 00:27:55.710 a suicide hotline, and I called and it was not. You know, 344 00:27:56.230 --> 00:28:00.539 it didn't. That wasn't what helped. You know that that hot line I 345 00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:04.980 called because I didn't want I was scared. I didn't want to kill myself, 346 00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:07.779 but I felt like if I got to carry this baby, I'm out 347 00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:11.579 of here. Yeah, I'm not doing this. And so anyway, when 348 00:28:11.619 --> 00:28:18.369 I got back from New York, I guess that, you know, that 349 00:28:18.210 --> 00:28:25.250 request for help to reach out to me had already gone out. And so 350 00:28:25.450 --> 00:28:29.640 now I'm back and you know, I'm home and I'm back to work and 351 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.880 just trying to get myself back to some kind of normality. And then my 352 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.880 brother text me. He said, hey, this someone trying to reach out 353 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:44.670 to you. When you're available. And I'm going to be so completely honest, 354 00:28:44.829 --> 00:28:48.509 I am not the person that will follow through with something like this. 355 00:28:48.630 --> 00:28:57.099 I'm not. I normally just try to just take care of whatever I need 356 00:28:57.259 --> 00:29:02.339 to on my own without basically, you don't like people in Your Business, 357 00:29:02.420 --> 00:29:06.059 right. Yeah, yeah, I get it. That's about it. Yeah, 358 00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:08.579 I get it. I I tried to sugarcoat that thing a little bit, 359 00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:12.450 but you got me. Yeah, Hey, I'm kind of like that 360 00:29:12.650 --> 00:29:19.450 to you. But Vicky, she called me, I think on a Thursday, 361 00:29:19.849 --> 00:29:26.240 my day off. She reached out to me and I talked to her 362 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:32.880 for over an hour and she was just like, you know, we talked 363 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:37.559 about God, and we talked about you know, she kind of said some 364 00:29:37.869 --> 00:29:42.750 she asked me questions, you know, like what does it mean? You 365 00:29:42.869 --> 00:29:48.029 know that you're safe. What do you think that means? And you know, 366 00:29:48.190 --> 00:29:56.940 she just really got me to thinking about what Jesus Christ really you know, 367 00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:59.940 she had me remember, you know, yeah, what is? What 368 00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:03.980 is Jesus Christ mean to you? And he should be the focal point of 369 00:30:03.220 --> 00:30:08.369 my life, because nothing's going to work without that. People think that they're 370 00:30:08.650 --> 00:30:12.490 happy and it's not happiness, you know. That's why you have, you 371 00:30:12.569 --> 00:30:15.650 know, people think money makes them happy and that's why you have all these 372 00:30:15.690 --> 00:30:21.519 rich people that are committing suicide and things like. That's not happiness, you 373 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:26.319 know. And so talking to her was just it was like God just sent 374 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.079 the angel to me and I I didn't ask for for for anything. She's 375 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:37.309 just been a blessing, you know, offering counseling services that I'm very excited 376 00:30:37.390 --> 00:30:41.910 to take. I have a mentor now that I speak to every day. 377 00:30:41.950 --> 00:30:49.819 Yep, Teresa. She's awesome. I speak to shelly and and I just 378 00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:53.660 want you know I've decided to keep my baby. I'm not going to give 379 00:30:53.660 --> 00:31:00.220 her up for adoption. I'm going to keep her and Vicky. It's nothing 380 00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:04.089 that they were going to do. They have all of this help and just 381 00:31:04.289 --> 00:31:08.970 spiritual help and just being being there for me. Vicki checks in on me 382 00:31:10.809 --> 00:31:19.480 and she's just been such a blessing. And is nothing physical or financial or 383 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:26.279 anything that anyone can or is doing for me that makes me feel that way. 384 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:34.190 I'm just so grateful that God sent them to me because it has helped 385 00:31:34.269 --> 00:31:41.190 me to just kind of keep moving in the right direction. You know, 386 00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:45.750 it really is a lot of times it's so Luy. HMM, yeah, 387 00:31:45.789 --> 00:31:48.339 I was, I say a lot of times in our lives. You know, 388 00:31:48.380 --> 00:31:51.619 it's not, like you said, the physical things or if some people 389 00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:53.380 do is financial, lick and all these other things, but some of the 390 00:31:53.420 --> 00:31:59.900 most important aspects of a struggle like this and US getting through a struggle is 391 00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:04.369 people around you that are encouraging you, people that are holding you accountable and 392 00:32:04.450 --> 00:32:07.809 speaking the truth to you in love, but encouraging you along, to your 393 00:32:07.849 --> 00:32:13.569 people like shelley, like Theresa, Your Mentor, and then Vicky, you 394 00:32:13.650 --> 00:32:16.519 know, any of my life people who encourage me along. It's like, 395 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.119 I don't know if I could have made it through without that encouragement you know. 396 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.720 So I appreciate you sharing that because that's a that's a powerful thing that 397 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.240 we all can do for other people. It's encourage what I know you were 398 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:34.109 you were thinking about after abortion was off the table, then adoption was very 399 00:32:34.150 --> 00:32:37.190 much, I think, in your thoughts. What changed? What happened that 400 00:32:37.269 --> 00:32:45.220 made you decide you would like to parent your baby? Um, for one 401 00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:52.099 Mackenzie, my daughter, you know she is. You know she said to 402 00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:58.380 me, she said, mom, you know, I'm lonely and and you 403 00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:07.690 know, I don't think that God would have given me the opera to this. 404 00:33:07.849 --> 00:33:10.289 So many people that can't have children. You know, it could be 405 00:33:10.329 --> 00:33:14.920 a gift either way. You know, person that can't have children, I 406 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:20.000 could bless them with a child. But God gave her to me, and 407 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:25.119 so I think that, you know, he feels like, you know, 408 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:30.309 I gave her to you because you can do it. And so and I'm 409 00:33:30.390 --> 00:33:36.789 here to help you, and I will say, you know, even with 410 00:33:37.109 --> 00:33:40.150 you know, Vicki telling me, you know, will have a baby shower 411 00:33:40.309 --> 00:33:44.819 for you and stuff like that. You know, I was saying yesterday and 412 00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:47.380 I was just I was praying and I just was like Lord, thank you, 413 00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:52.460 because these are not things that I've asked for. He's just letting me 414 00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:58.289 know you're you're going to. What are you concerned about? Are you concerned 415 00:33:58.329 --> 00:34:01.930 about taking care of, or not being able to take care of a child 416 00:34:02.089 --> 00:34:06.490 that I gave to you having? I provided for you the whole time. 417 00:34:06.609 --> 00:34:09.760 You Have Mackenzie and I and I was afraid of having her. I didn't 418 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:14.880 consider, you know, the same. I wasn't in the the mindset that 419 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.480 I was in with this child, but I was afraid, you know, 420 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.320 I couldn't as I want to take care of baby. My money is not 421 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.349 right, you know, and babysitting and he's net. He hasn't felt me 422 00:34:27.429 --> 00:34:31.710 yet. Mackenzie has always had someone to watch her, you know, even 423 00:34:31.789 --> 00:34:35.309 if it's been a struggle, if I had to take her to New York 424 00:34:35.789 --> 00:34:38.460 for the summer with my sister or whatever it is. That is always been 425 00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:43.219 a way, mate, and it's the same way this time, and it 426 00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:45.500 just made me see, you know, how is going to he is going 427 00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:52.219 to provide. I don't have anything to be afraid of. And he thought 428 00:34:52.539 --> 00:34:57.570 of me to be able to conceive at forty two. Even though it was 429 00:34:57.730 --> 00:35:04.809 out of sin, he still allowed me to conceive and, like Vickie said, 430 00:35:04.809 --> 00:35:07.800 I don't know. You know, I don't know what this baby, 431 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.920 you know, could bring into this world. You know, could be the 432 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.159 next president, the first female president. You know, we just don't know. 433 00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:21.000 And who I was going to take her away, you know, I 434 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.269 was gonna, I was going to take our way and I have to work 435 00:35:24.389 --> 00:35:30.030 now on forgiving myself for that. You know. Yeah, that's really been 436 00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:35.739 my for the past couple of weeks. That's really been the thing that comes 437 00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:39.500 back to me. It's just, you know, forgiven myself for even thinking 438 00:35:39.619 --> 00:35:45.179 to go in that direction. Right. But if you've repented before the Lord, 439 00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:50.409 and the Lord died a horrific death for you to pay the penalty for 440 00:35:50.489 --> 00:35:54.530 your sin and he has forgiven you when you repented and turned from that sin. 441 00:35:55.530 --> 00:36:00.409 You know, ultimately, ultimately, we have to just figure if he 442 00:36:00.530 --> 00:36:06.000 can forgive us. We definitely need to forgive ourselves. But you do have 443 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:10.400 something to worry about because there's going to be a big fight here in Charlotte 444 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:19.070 about who gets to give you the baby shower on the Oh my God, 445 00:36:19.190 --> 00:36:22.110 so we so we do know. It's a girl. It's a girl. 446 00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:25.150 That correct. It's a little girl. Her name is Zada, sky, 447 00:36:27.389 --> 00:36:32.940 Vega, Zeta, Zada. Say That, guy. Yeah, they does. 448 00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:37.380 Guy, that's a beautiful name. Does it have a meaning? They're 449 00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:45.460 especially no, Zeta is prosperous and pop useful. Saying Sky, I just 450 00:36:45.940 --> 00:36:49.889 I don't know, it just kind of came to me, but yeah, 451 00:36:50.010 --> 00:36:54.610 very pretty. And when are you do? So I said, okay, 452 00:36:55.170 --> 00:37:00.679 well, right after Independence Day, may even day. Yeah, it's an 453 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.840 amazing story of any yeah, yeah, we really appreciate you sharing it, 454 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.159 evy, appreciate all that. You know, again, you just being very 455 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:12.840 open and honest about what's going what was going through your heart and your mind 456 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.429 and and all of that is, you know, that's a rare quality from 457 00:37:15.469 --> 00:37:19.349 a person to be be that open and we appreciate that. And can I 458 00:37:19.389 --> 00:37:22.510 ask you one more question? And Dan, you may have others also, 459 00:37:22.630 --> 00:37:28.230 and I may end up having others, but what would you say to someone 460 00:37:28.829 --> 00:37:35.460 in a desperate situation like you were? What would you tell them that might 461 00:37:35.780 --> 00:37:42.260 give them hope and a the ability to turn from that destructive path of abortion? 462 00:37:44.809 --> 00:37:52.409 I would say that when that baby is conceived, that is a baby, 463 00:37:52.610 --> 00:37:59.400 it is a life and you know, as as God said to me, 464 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.400 you know if you take a life that doesn't belong to you, the 465 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:08.039 consequences would be worse and we don't want to know what that means, you 466 00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:15.389 know. You know, we don't want to have to to experience those type 467 00:38:15.469 --> 00:38:21.869 of consequences. And there's other options. You know, there is adoption and, 468 00:38:22.110 --> 00:38:25.590 although I decided not to go that route for my own reasons, there 469 00:38:25.630 --> 00:38:31.059 are people out here that are not able to conceive and they can't afford, 470 00:38:31.739 --> 00:38:37.219 you know, to pay thousands of dollars to have, you know, labs 471 00:38:37.340 --> 00:38:43.449 do things to you know, in vitro and stuff like that. They would 472 00:38:43.449 --> 00:38:52.090 be so blessed to to have a child, to raise your child for you. 473 00:38:52.329 --> 00:38:57.639 And there's all kind of different options with the with adoption now, where 474 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.239 you can still be a part of the babies life kind of, if you 475 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:06.280 know, if you want to. But abortion is murder. It is it. 476 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:12.829 And my brother said something so harsh to me and when he said it 477 00:39:12.869 --> 00:39:15.110 to me, I wanted to, when I say, I wanted to swear 478 00:39:15.150 --> 00:39:17.829 at them, I wanted to curse them out and say, how dare you 479 00:39:19.150 --> 00:39:22.789 say something like that? But he said, would you take a gun and 480 00:39:22.909 --> 00:39:27.940 shoot Mackenzie in the head? And I said how dare you? How dare 481 00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:30.860 you? I did anything but curse. I did every yeah, curse, 482 00:39:30.699 --> 00:39:36.500 but when I thought about it, it is murder and it's just I've never 483 00:39:36.579 --> 00:39:42.010 met this baby, but I feel her moving and you know, my daughter 484 00:39:42.250 --> 00:39:45.690 and I and my son were born with twelve fingers instead of ten. And 485 00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:50.409 I I saw the Sonogram. She has twelve fingers, just like I was 486 00:39:50.449 --> 00:39:57.639 wondering about that said earlier. Yeah, mistake. Yeah, that's so. 487 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:05.039 I would just say, please, don't, don't, don't abort your baby. 488 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.949 You know there's get some there's all kind of help and you know, 489 00:40:09.590 --> 00:40:16.710 local churches and there's other options for you. Don't, don't kill your baby. 490 00:40:16.750 --> 00:40:30.260 A yeah, Amen, Ebony, give me for love. Thanks for 491 00:40:30.380 --> 00:40:32.980 listening to this episode of the Gospel Center per life podcast. We hope it 492 00:40:34.059 --> 00:40:36.409 was a blessing to you. If you'd like to get in touch with us, 493 00:40:36.530 --> 00:40:39.610 email me at d parks at city for lifecom, and please check out 494 00:40:39.610 --> 00:40:44.969 our sidewalks for life site. So I walks the number four lifecom. Godless 495 00:40:45.610 --> you.