Nov. 5, 2020

God is Still Good Even in Tragic Situations (Part 2)

God is Still Good Even in Tragic Situations (Part 2)

This is part 2 of an episode in which we talk about the goodness of God in the midst of some of the terrible situations we face at the abortion centers and even in our own lives. This subject is so vast and so important that we had to break it up into...


This is part 2 of an episode in which we talk about the goodness of God in the midst of some of the terrible situations we face at the abortion centers and even in our own lives. This subject is so vast and so important that we had to break it up into two episodes.

https://sidewalks4life.com/the-goodness-of-god-fact-or-fiction/

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:06.440 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, 2 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:10.750 I am your. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We're 3 00:00:10.750 --> 00:00:14.230 going to take right up where we left off on part one of the episode 4 00:00:14.230 --> 00:00:16.789 about the goodness of God. This will be part two. We think it 5 00:00:16.829 --> 00:00:20.870 will be a blessing you as well, so stay tuned. Me, Lord, 6 00:00:23.739 --> 00:00:34.460 I felt show pass touchs your home. Use Me, Lord. So 7 00:00:35.619 --> 00:00:39.409 another one is maphibush chef. Yeah, that's how he's try and say that 8 00:00:39.570 --> 00:00:43.570 ten times. That's that's a tough name. Mephibish chef. So he was 9 00:00:43.649 --> 00:00:49.049 the son of Jonathan, grandson of Kings Saul, and he had a life 10 00:00:49.210 --> 00:00:53.640 that from the beginning was almost completely filled with danger, trauma and suffering. 11 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:58.200 Yeah, he was only five years old, I think, when Saul was 12 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:03.359 killed. So his grandfather is killed. Yeah, and and it's father and 13 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.829 his son's all were killed the same and his father and the nurse. Then, 14 00:01:06.870 --> 00:01:11.750 as David's army is coming in, the nurse, math phibish chef's nurse 15 00:01:11.950 --> 00:01:17.109 fears for her life and Mathhibishchef's life because she doesn't know David's hard and I 16 00:01:17.189 --> 00:01:19.340 think she thinks David's going to come get revenge on the House of Saul. 17 00:01:19.379 --> 00:01:23.780 Yeah, which would be natural that you would think that. So she flees 18 00:01:25.500 --> 00:01:30.659 with little little maphibus chef in our arms, drops him and cripples him. 19 00:01:30.739 --> 00:01:34.409 Yeah, at age five and he's crippled for the rest of his life. 20 00:01:34.409 --> 00:01:38.090 He cannot walk. So well, I'm not sure if you can't walk or 21 00:01:38.250 --> 00:01:42.370 what the good seems like that. Yeah, actually, I'm just in my 22 00:01:42.530 --> 00:01:45.769 time with the Lord in the mornings. I've been reading through Samuel, first 23 00:01:45.769 --> 00:01:49.439 and second Samuel and read this story. I've read it before, but just 24 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.439 kind of read it a fresh and seems. Yeah, he's crippled, he 25 00:01:53.560 --> 00:02:00.000 can't walk. He I don't know what the mechanisms for people who were handicapped 26 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:01.310 in that way were. Yeah, what did they do back then? Have 27 00:02:01.430 --> 00:02:05.829 wheelchairs that they don't think it. Not only is he dropped and crippled, 28 00:02:05.950 --> 00:02:09.990 but you know, he's lost his father, he's lost his grandfather and he's 29 00:02:10.030 --> 00:02:14.789 lost his inheritance. Yeah, he was an inher right. He was. 30 00:02:15.069 --> 00:02:19.860 He was the grandson of the king. He had all this probably wonderful stuff 31 00:02:19.939 --> 00:02:23.580 coming to him and all of a sudden he doesn't know, but he thinks 32 00:02:23.620 --> 00:02:28.659 he's lost at all yeah, but then that's not the end of he suffers. 33 00:02:28.740 --> 00:02:32.210 There's no doubt from an early age he suffers. Yeah, but at 34 00:02:32.330 --> 00:02:37.009 that's not the end of the story for from a fibish no, no, 35 00:02:37.210 --> 00:02:42.490 thankfully for him it's not. David ultimately at one point says, is there 36 00:02:42.530 --> 00:02:49.039 any descendant of Saul, of Jonathan? I think he says, is there 37 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.960 anyone from the House of Saul, descended of Jonathan, that I might bless 38 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:57.039 for the sake of Jonathan? Yeah, and ultimately finds my fibish if and 39 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.150 one of his right hand man says, Hey, yeah, there's this there's 40 00:03:00.189 --> 00:03:04.229 this kid. I guess at that point he was older. I don't know 41 00:03:04.310 --> 00:03:07.590 how old he wasn't the Bible says, but he brings them into his house 42 00:03:07.629 --> 00:03:12.150 and provides for him and later on there's there's some more to the story and 43 00:03:13.500 --> 00:03:17.060 we won't get into that. But ultimately it's redemptive right, and I think 44 00:03:17.099 --> 00:03:21.500 it again. It should encourage us then, in the midst of suffering, 45 00:03:22.460 --> 00:03:25.539 in the midst of things that go on in our lives that I mean really 46 00:03:25.620 --> 00:03:29.370 blows down to things that are done to us that are not really as a 47 00:03:29.449 --> 00:03:31.490 result of our own sin. The one decisions. I think we can. 48 00:03:31.770 --> 00:03:36.930 We can understand when things then, when bad things happened to us because we've 49 00:03:37.009 --> 00:03:40.370 sinned or because we made dumb decisions. You know, I think that's easier 50 00:03:40.409 --> 00:03:45.199 to take. We know we brought it on ourselves. It's when it's unexplained 51 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.240 I think that it is harder. Yeah, absolutely, and that's exactly the 52 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:52.120 story here. This this man, didn't do anything wrong. This young this 53 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:54.360 five year old kid, and do anything wrong. Yeah, but there's redemption 54 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:59.189 in that. Yeah, and I think we can say, well, okay, 55 00:03:59.430 --> 00:04:01.669 well, where's my redemption? These moms come into the abortion center. 56 00:04:01.949 --> 00:04:06.069 Okay, well, I've had this terrible life. Yeah, and now I'm 57 00:04:06.110 --> 00:04:10.259 pregnant. And how in the world, I mean, God allowed that, 58 00:04:10.460 --> 00:04:13.979 he allowed this, he allowed this, and now he's allowed me to get 59 00:04:14.060 --> 00:04:16.060 pregnant. What is going on here with that? They're only seen to that 60 00:04:16.259 --> 00:04:20.180 moment, yeah, up to the pregnancy, and not seeing beyond what God's 61 00:04:20.220 --> 00:04:25.089 plan is and what he what he has in store. And and I know 62 00:04:25.209 --> 00:04:28.930 when we're in any terrible situation, it feels like this is where I'll be 63 00:04:29.050 --> 00:04:30.730 the rest of my life, and that's never the truth. Right. Yeah, 64 00:04:30.850 --> 00:04:34.250 well, I remember now I'm not trying to at all compare my story 65 00:04:34.410 --> 00:04:38.129 to the story of the young lady you shared when we started out. Certainly 66 00:04:38.170 --> 00:04:43.079 what is horrific as that I'm I was blessed and thankful that I had parents 67 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.439 who who did the right thing in so many ways. But I remember finding 68 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:53.949 out when my wife was pregnant. You were in high school, and I 69 00:04:54.029 --> 00:04:56.509 remember one of the first things I did, and it was in my own 70 00:04:56.509 --> 00:05:00.829 selfishness, but I remember blaming God. Right, I remember saying out loud 71 00:05:01.269 --> 00:05:04.470 God, why did you allow this to happen? Yeah, and I remember 72 00:05:04.509 --> 00:05:08.579 saying specifically God, you hate me. I know you hate me because you 73 00:05:08.579 --> 00:05:11.500 allow this to happen. Yeah, did he answer? He didn't answer. 74 00:05:11.540 --> 00:05:17.540 He didn't answer directly. But in reflection I'm thinking how selfish I was. 75 00:05:18.180 --> 00:05:21.290 Now again, my scenario was was a good bit different, but I remember 76 00:05:21.370 --> 00:05:25.889 crying out to God and even blaming God for that whole situation. But now 77 00:05:25.930 --> 00:05:29.569 I look back and at that time my life was over. Right, here 78 00:05:29.610 --> 00:05:31.170 I am in high school, got a baby. How in the world is 79 00:05:31.250 --> 00:05:33.930 this going to work out? Right, yeah, my life is over. 80 00:05:34.009 --> 00:05:38.279 Yeah, little did I know that was the best thing for me. My 81 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.120 life needed to be over, because the life that I was living was was 82 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:45.439 full of selfishness and sin and the Lord's use that, you know, unwanted 83 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:49.230 pregnancy air quotes. Yeah, to really turn my life around. Yeah, 84 00:05:49.269 --> 00:05:53.310 we've got a daughter who is a blessing. She's twenty two years old. 85 00:05:53.389 --> 00:05:58.029 She's a blessing to our family. Yeah, me and my wife are married, 86 00:05:58.470 --> 00:06:00.230 eight kids now. So I see the redemption of God. Yeah, 87 00:06:01.029 --> 00:06:05.019 that situation that I thought was the end of the world actually turned out for 88 00:06:05.420 --> 00:06:08.899 my good. Yeah, I couldn't see that the time. Now I'm telling 89 00:06:08.899 --> 00:06:10.740 you, at the time, if you would have tried to tell me that 90 00:06:10.860 --> 00:06:13.579 there would be any good that would come out of that, that whole situation, 91 00:06:13.899 --> 00:06:15.779 I'll to called you a liar right now. I was doubting the goodness 92 00:06:15.819 --> 00:06:19.290 of God. Yeah, yeah, but but there was light at the end 93 00:06:19.290 --> 00:06:21.769 of that tunnel. Like, yeah, that thing is when you're in the 94 00:06:21.850 --> 00:06:26.170 tunnel, it's pretty dark, it's pretty tough to see. Yeah, yeah, 95 00:06:26.209 --> 00:06:29.610 you know, I think one of the things it is helpful and as 96 00:06:29.689 --> 00:06:33.680 we encourage people and we're doing trainings, because we do trainings with sidewall counselors 97 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:39.839 and really get into some of the hard cases. That's I think that's really 98 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.519 where a lot of the fears lie in people like, what do I say 99 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.399 if someone says they were raped? What do I say if someone lays out 100 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.149 this story like what we laid out in the beginning? How do I answer 101 00:06:47.230 --> 00:06:51.870 this? And one of the encouragements that we give is sharing testimonies. Sharing 102 00:06:51.949 --> 00:06:58.350 testimonies is so powerful and there are so many testimonies because God is so good 103 00:06:58.990 --> 00:07:02.100 and has brought redemption in so many situations. Yea, you'd be hard pressed 104 00:07:02.139 --> 00:07:06.620 to find a situation that's not comparable, a current situation in somebody's life that's 105 00:07:06.620 --> 00:07:12.220 not comparable, comparable to a pass situation that has redemption in it. Exactly. 106 00:07:12.300 --> 00:07:15.220 And you're talking about testimonies of the people that we know, and the 107 00:07:15.300 --> 00:07:20.410 Bible, obviously, is also filled with testimonies of people who who suffered, 108 00:07:20.490 --> 00:07:27.170 struggled and ultimately did see redemption. Yeah, so. So both, I 109 00:07:27.250 --> 00:07:30.519 think, are very, very, very bad, valuable, the biblical stories 110 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.399 and then the the stories of people here and now that that we know, 111 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:39.040 maybe maybe even ourselves. Yeah, absolutely so. How about the beggar crippled 112 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:45.110 from birth? Okay, he was another one who xthree tells the story of 113 00:07:45.750 --> 00:07:48.910 that man. But so from birth he's got it even worse than a Phibish 114 00:07:48.910 --> 00:07:54.550 chef. Yeah, Miss Phibis chef at least had five years that he could 115 00:07:54.629 --> 00:07:59.100 walk or crawl or whatever, but this man in in act three had been 116 00:07:59.220 --> 00:08:05.100 crippled from birth. So his entire life, from infancy to adulthood. When 117 00:08:05.139 --> 00:08:11.579 we meet him in xthree he's an adult begging outside the temple and he's in 118 00:08:11.740 --> 00:08:16.649 complete dependence on others to care for his needs. In fact, he had 119 00:08:16.769 --> 00:08:20.610 to be carried each day to where they I don't know who carried him, 120 00:08:20.610 --> 00:08:26.290 friends or whatever. Family would carry him to the gate called beautiful, spot 121 00:08:26.329 --> 00:08:30.800 at the gate called beautiful and the Temple Gate, and his only manner of 122 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.759 taking care of himself was to beg. He would beg for alms and he 123 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:39.399 did this his entire life. That was his life to be crippled and to 124 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:43.590 be carried where he could he could beg for alms. So, you know, 125 00:08:43.950 --> 00:08:48.950 total dependency on others, no hope for a normal life at all. 126 00:08:48.389 --> 00:08:54.029 He knows he's got a, you know, a lifelong crippling condition, and 127 00:08:54.629 --> 00:08:58.299 he couldn't even take care of himself. He couldn't. He had no employment 128 00:08:58.500 --> 00:09:05.379 other than being being a beggar. Yeah, so that's a pretty dismal outlook. 129 00:09:05.379 --> 00:09:07.620 Yeah, absolutely pretty, especially if you think about in that day and 130 00:09:07.659 --> 00:09:13.370 age, right, you didn't have social ware Welfare Systems. You basically had 131 00:09:13.570 --> 00:09:16.529 to beg for money, you had to beg for food. If you didn't 132 00:09:16.529 --> 00:09:20.690 have the means to be able to work and you didn't have family that was 133 00:09:20.730 --> 00:09:24.559 going to provide for you, then you had to rely on the goodness of 134 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:30.279 people that were passing by. Yeah, have whatever these social warfare programs welfare 135 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.480 programs are. You didn't have disability. You can draw a disability in those 136 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:35.399 days and you really beholding to the people that were walking by every day. 137 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:41.549 Yeah, yeah, so, you know, he has to have wondered about 138 00:09:41.710 --> 00:09:45.950 is. Is God good? He's outside the temple, so I assume he 139 00:09:46.269 --> 00:09:50.549 at least had some sort of knowledge of God. And then he sees Peter 140 00:09:50.029 --> 00:09:54.379 and John and are we going there? Did you want to look at look 141 00:09:54.419 --> 00:09:58.379 at that? Just one of you know, every every Bible study class as 142 00:09:58.419 --> 00:10:03.379 a kid, you probably heard this story. But when I don't know that 143 00:10:03.460 --> 00:10:11.450 I ever thought much about what a terribly depressing place he was coming from. 144 00:10:11.450 --> 00:10:18.330 When he sees Peter and John Entering the temple and he asked them for charity. 145 00:10:18.370 --> 00:10:22.159 Yeah, he reaches out his hands and ask asking for alms. It's 146 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:28.240 what he did day by day. And Peter and John Look at him and 147 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.000 say, silver and gold, we don't have. What we do have, 148 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.919 we give to you. Rise up and walk in the name of Jesus of 149 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:39.750 Nazareth. And this man rises up and walks and ultimately the redemption, of 150 00:10:39.830 --> 00:10:43.230 course, is in the fact that he is healed. Right, but it 151 00:10:43.350 --> 00:10:48.669 goes beyond that. And here's where I think again testimonies are so important, 152 00:10:48.110 --> 00:10:52.779 and we're talking to abortion minded women at the abortion center, sharing testimonies with 153 00:10:52.899 --> 00:10:56.740 them, because this guy ultimately is a sign to the people in the temple 154 00:10:56.940 --> 00:11:00.059 and when everybody looks and they noticed this man, this is the guy who 155 00:11:00.139 --> 00:11:03.620 was out in front of the gate day by day and he couldn't walk. 156 00:11:03.980 --> 00:11:07.129 Now he's leaping for joy. What's going on here? Right, tension is 157 00:11:07.169 --> 00:11:09.730 drawn to him and ultimately attention is drawn to James Or, I'm sorry, 158 00:11:09.769 --> 00:11:13.409 to Peter and John, and they preach the Gospel Right, and this guy's 159 00:11:13.529 --> 00:11:16.610 life and the redemption that comes even through the suffering, and I believe this 160 00:11:16.690 --> 00:11:20.360 guy that point was forty years old. So forty years of not being able 161 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.879 to walk, forty years of really, I'm sure, a lot of rejection, 162 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.879 but most people passing by are probably not given him alms. He's reaching 163 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:33.230 out his hand and they're smacking it down. Yeah, and yet this guy's 164 00:11:33.389 --> 00:11:35.830 life is not just redeemed in the fact that he can walk, but it's 165 00:11:35.870 --> 00:11:41.549 redeemed in the fact that God is using him as a testimony and people are 166 00:11:41.549 --> 00:11:45.789 going to get saved through this guy's healing. That's right, Sony in turn 167 00:11:45.870 --> 00:11:52.980 a life to so many people through the suffering and then redemption of the man 168 00:11:52.100 --> 00:11:58.539 crippled young birth. So, and these stories are in the scriptures for that 169 00:11:58.700 --> 00:12:03.289 purpose. Yeah, to show us God's redeeming power, to show us that 170 00:12:03.370 --> 00:12:07.529 there is no situation that God can't intervene and that God can't move in. 171 00:12:07.889 --> 00:12:11.169 And again, I know the question is, well, God didn't intervene at 172 00:12:11.250 --> 00:12:15.169 this point, right? God could have? Could have intervened even with mafibish 173 00:12:15.250 --> 00:12:18.120 if right, he's five years old. His cod image of the nurse drives 174 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.919 these care taker. Yeah, could have. God could have sent an angel 175 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.279 to steady her. God, there's all kinds of things that we can think, 176 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:30.389 well, God could do this and God could have dod that and God 177 00:12:30.429 --> 00:12:33.789 didn't. So why? And is he good because he didn't? And again 178 00:12:33.950 --> 00:12:37.190 we're not going to answer that question. We're not going to bring an answer 179 00:12:37.230 --> 00:12:41.070 to the age old question of evil and all of that. But what we 180 00:12:41.190 --> 00:12:45.460 do have to do is look at the scriptures, look at the testimonies, 181 00:12:45.500 --> 00:12:48.539 look at what God has done and what God, I believe, because he 182 00:12:48.620 --> 00:12:52.980 doesn't change, can do in a person's life. And sharing from that perspective. 183 00:12:52.539 --> 00:12:56.419 Here's what I think of folly for US sometimes. And so if you 184 00:12:56.460 --> 00:13:01.370 guys don't grab anything else from this, just just remember this little point here. 185 00:13:01.610 --> 00:13:05.970 When someone is sharing with us their grief, right, we always want 186 00:13:07.009 --> 00:13:11.850 to try to give an answer, but a lot of times people are not 187 00:13:11.049 --> 00:13:13.919 looking for an answer. And even when they're talking about the goodness of God, 188 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.480 as God good because he allowed this, in this what they really want 189 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:22.360 is for you to identify with their suffering. Yeah, to identify with their 190 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.840 pain, to hear them, to hear them, that be a listening ear, 191 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.149 yeah, and to say I'm sorry that you went through that, like 192 00:13:30.669 --> 00:13:33.190 I've did that, even with some of the pro abortion people out here in 193 00:13:33.269 --> 00:13:35.470 the side of yeah, they I've had some of them pour out their story 194 00:13:35.590 --> 00:13:39.389 to me and they're asking me, so, why did your God allow this? 195 00:13:39.429 --> 00:13:43.139 Yeah, and one of my answers is you guys might not appreciate this, 196 00:13:43.379 --> 00:13:46.700 but it was kind of trying to connect on the level that they can 197 00:13:46.740 --> 00:13:50.539 understand. Is One young man that was sharing with me some of the things 198 00:13:50.580 --> 00:13:54.620 that had gone on in his life and he asked me why. I said, 199 00:13:54.779 --> 00:13:58.529 you know what, I'm not sure why, but sometimes life sucks. 200 00:13:58.570 --> 00:14:01.850 Yeah, sometimes life just sucks. Yeah, and there's no explanation for it. 201 00:14:01.929 --> 00:14:07.210 I can't give you some big theological explanation for it, but I think 202 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:11.720 theologically we can say life sucks sometimes. Yeah, stuff happens. Yeah, 203 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.960 and it happens to everybody, some to varying degrees, on different levels. 204 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:20.480 But when someone's pouring out their heart, when you talking to an abortion minded 205 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.830 Moma and she's laying out this just terrible story of what she's gone through, 206 00:14:26.750 --> 00:14:30.230 really what we need to do is enter into that suffering. Yeah, I've 207 00:14:30.309 --> 00:14:33.389 touched on this before, but the Lord really spoke this to me some years 208 00:14:33.429 --> 00:14:37.710 ago, the word compassion. You know, the Bible says that that Jesus 209 00:14:37.789 --> 00:14:43.179 looked on the multitudes with compassion. We've got to have compassion on people. 210 00:14:43.059 --> 00:14:46.700 And that word, if you break it down, the prefix calm is with 211 00:14:48.659 --> 00:14:52.490 and then passion, Calm Passion. What is passion? Passions not just we 212 00:14:52.730 --> 00:14:56.690 think of. Maybe passion is just this love, this, you know, 213 00:14:56.289 --> 00:15:00.289 heart pounding love. That's not what the word actualally means. We think about 214 00:15:00.289 --> 00:15:03.889 passion. You remember the the movie The Passion of the Christ. The word 215 00:15:03.929 --> 00:15:09.639 actually, at a root, means suffering. So we're supposed to suffer with 216 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.720 calm passion when someone is suffering, when someone sharing with you their story of 217 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.679 suffering, we're supposed to suffer with them. Yeah, we're supposed to grieve 218 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:20.870 with them. Yeah, and then, of course we can bring Jesus into 219 00:15:20.909 --> 00:15:26.110 that situation, because he has compassion on us, so much so that he 220 00:15:26.149 --> 00:15:28.870 came to this earth, and I think sharing the story of Jesus and the 221 00:15:28.909 --> 00:15:33.710 suffering that he went through for our sake is a way to redeem that in 222 00:15:33.830 --> 00:15:37.980 to show that God has entered in. The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ 223 00:15:39.100 --> 00:15:43.059 came and suffered. Yeah, that he was tempted in all things as we 224 00:15:43.139 --> 00:15:46.820 are, yet without sense. So he came and entered into humanity suffering and 225 00:15:46.940 --> 00:15:52.649 ultimately dies so that human beings could could not experience eternal suffering. Yeah, 226 00:15:52.690 --> 00:15:56.330 separation from God. Yeah, and what you were talking about there. With 227 00:15:58.809 --> 00:16:03.850 that, it's so important to sometimes just enter into the suffering with them. 228 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:06.919 I think. I think it's the last example that we were going to talk 229 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:12.960 about was job. It is so so job. Remember his three friends and 230 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:21.590 how they did everything wrong right. They did the things that you just identified 231 00:16:21.629 --> 00:16:29.309 as being dangers. Of when someone is suff frame that they're not necessarily looking 232 00:16:29.389 --> 00:16:33.539 for you to solve it or to to even identify what is causing it. 233 00:16:33.740 --> 00:16:37.980 Be At your sinner whatever. Job Just wanted to vent. He kind of 234 00:16:38.019 --> 00:16:41.860 J he was suffering and he would he see. Basically told them, would 235 00:16:41.860 --> 00:16:48.250 you just be quiet? Would you just be silent? Yeah, because they 236 00:16:48.490 --> 00:16:51.649 they were true. They first, well, they were wrong. They said 237 00:16:51.649 --> 00:16:55.809 it was a result of his sin, but and and they were just basically 238 00:16:55.850 --> 00:16:59.529 saying, you know, man up and just deal with it and repent and 239 00:16:59.809 --> 00:17:03.399 turn from whatever. And then he's got the wonderful wife who who says you 240 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.720 should just curse God and die. Support job is not getting. There's no 241 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.039 one with true compassion. Yeah, who enters into that suffering situation? So, 242 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:19.549 as our last example of someone who suffered, job isn't he's a little 243 00:17:19.549 --> 00:17:25.309 bit different from the others in that he had led the first half of his 244 00:17:25.430 --> 00:17:32.420 life. It sounds like an incredible, just abundant blessing. He had a 245 00:17:32.500 --> 00:17:34.700 wonderful wife, although I wonder about that. Yeah, that might not have 246 00:17:34.779 --> 00:17:37.700 been a wonderful but he had lots of kids, he had lots of crops, 247 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:41.900 he had tons of money, he was well respected, he loved God, 248 00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:45.170 he was a righteous man. Yeah, he was like the you know, 249 00:17:45.369 --> 00:17:49.329 Mr Wonderful Exams, like from from the description of job, which is 250 00:17:49.410 --> 00:17:53.089 probably why Satan went after him. Yeah, he'd you know, this would 251 00:17:53.089 --> 00:17:56.809 be a good one to attack because he's so revered and he loves God so 252 00:17:56.890 --> 00:18:02.640 much. And Satan poses what I think is a very good question for all 253 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:07.480 of us. Do you love God because of all the wonderful things, the 254 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.869 things he's given you, and if those were gone, would you still love 255 00:18:11.990 --> 00:18:17.589 God? That's basically Satan's premise. Yeah, that job would no longer love 256 00:18:18.109 --> 00:18:25.069 and follow God if God removed the wonderful things from job's life. And God 257 00:18:25.789 --> 00:18:32.299 agrees to let Satan have that job. And so, from my perspective, 258 00:18:32.380 --> 00:18:34.220 not being the one who's going through the suffering, I'm thinking, you know, 259 00:18:34.700 --> 00:18:40.700 job needed to know that. This was a lesson. Job needed to 260 00:18:40.819 --> 00:18:48.410 learn, ultimately, if his relationship with God was truly based on his love 261 00:18:48.009 --> 00:18:56.400 and trust and and glorifying of God for who God is instead of what God 262 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:04.240 gives. He couldn't find that, I don't think, in in his prosperity. 263 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:08.640 Yeah, and and so God took, well, not God, but 264 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:15.230 God certainly gave Satan permission to take everything except job's life, right, yeah, 265 00:19:15.309 --> 00:19:21.230 that's right. Job Loses his crops, his children. Interestingly enough, 266 00:19:21.750 --> 00:19:25.220 God left jobs. Why? Yeah, I think that's an indication. I 267 00:19:25.259 --> 00:19:29.099 don't think the devil even touched his wife at all, as indication that maybe 268 00:19:29.180 --> 00:19:33.299 she might have been working alongside the devil man. But yeah, his health 269 00:19:33.539 --> 00:19:40.289 even was under attack. Right. And so I guess job had every right 270 00:19:40.450 --> 00:19:42.329 to be crying out like, Lord, why? And he did cry out. 271 00:19:42.369 --> 00:19:45.930 Why, you did it? Why are you doing this? And God 272 00:19:47.009 --> 00:19:52.559 never answers why. But what God does is is talk about what God has 273 00:19:53.160 --> 00:20:02.799 created. Yeah, and how he has programmed or designed his creation for all 274 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:07.190 of these amazing things like the geese that flies south. I can't remember if 275 00:20:07.230 --> 00:20:10.029 he used geese, but it was something. And when you know the birds 276 00:20:10.109 --> 00:20:12.990 that that no when to migrate and where to lay their eggs, and the 277 00:20:14.670 --> 00:20:22.259 crocodile that nothing can really harm the the perfect design of their armor. Yeah, 278 00:20:22.660 --> 00:20:27.819 or even he had. He in turns it around and ask asks job 279 00:20:29.500 --> 00:20:34.180 a series of questions of which job can't answer. Job Can't begin to answer 280 00:20:34.970 --> 00:20:41.410 what God knows, y what God does, and it's in seeing the magnificence 281 00:20:41.569 --> 00:20:48.809 of God that a change happens. You know, I know one example that 282 00:20:48.890 --> 00:20:53.279 I've heard oftentimes and I'm sure you have to it's kind of Corny, I 283 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.400 guess, but the more I ponder it, the more I'm like that's seems 284 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.920 to be how how it is with life and suffering and all the stuff. 285 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:07.390 You've ever heard the example of someone who's is it crocheting or whatever? You 286 00:21:07.549 --> 00:21:11.230 know, how you have like a piece of cloth and then you weave into 287 00:21:11.269 --> 00:21:14.190 it and you have a design, right, but if you look at it 288 00:21:14.309 --> 00:21:17.750 from the bottom side it looks like a mess because there's all the knots. 289 00:21:17.789 --> 00:21:19.220 Said, there's all the knot yeah, it's all them. Yeah, and 290 00:21:19.259 --> 00:21:22.859 all that color come together. Than Yeah, if you look at the top 291 00:21:22.980 --> 00:21:26.099 side of it, right, it's a beautiful picture. And, yeah, 292 00:21:26.299 --> 00:21:30.099 can be a house or a dog or you know whatever I mean. There's 293 00:21:30.099 --> 00:21:36.210 all kinds of things that I've seen that people knit into fabric and it's like 294 00:21:36.369 --> 00:21:38.089 that, right. Yeah, it's a matter of perspective. Yeah, God 295 00:21:38.210 --> 00:21:41.690 sees the top side. Yeah, beautiful entire plan and always see her. 296 00:21:41.769 --> 00:21:45.329 The Not always see this is the junk, the struggles, and God is 297 00:21:45.410 --> 00:21:49.759 actually weaving a beautiful picture in our lives and I think we have to help 298 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.799 it. Again, it's a matter of perspective and we have to help these 299 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:56.839 MOMS that we encounter, the abortion centers, these DADS, even some of 300 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:00.630 these pro boats, and even ourselves. We have to encourage each other that 301 00:22:00.789 --> 00:22:07.789 God is doing something. He's doing something from an eternal perspective that we only 302 00:22:07.190 --> 00:22:11.789 kind of grasp or see from a temporal perspective. Yeah, and it does 303 00:22:11.910 --> 00:22:15.109 require for us to trust. And what else are we really stuck with, 304 00:22:15.430 --> 00:22:18.660 though? Yeah, we're stuck with do we trust the Lord, yeah, 305 00:22:19.099 --> 00:22:23.740 or do we trust this temporal world that, within itself, is all of 306 00:22:23.900 --> 00:22:29.180 this mess, sin, destruction and death? Are we willing to trust the 307 00:22:29.299 --> 00:22:33.130 Lord and and really we don't have a choice. If we look at the 308 00:22:33.170 --> 00:22:37.849 scriptures and we see this God who made the heavens and the earth, we 309 00:22:37.970 --> 00:22:41.849 must put our trust in him. Ultimately, he is the one in control. 310 00:22:41.890 --> 00:22:45.359 Ultimately, he is the one that holds our eternity in his hands. 311 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.440 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and that's really do. The perspective is the 312 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:56.599 eternal perspective. Yeah, when we are stuck with our roots and in our 313 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.430 eyes and our minds and our hearts in this world and this world only. 314 00:23:00.470 --> 00:23:06.230 Yeah, then there's every reason to be depressed, every reason to be discouraged, 315 00:23:06.309 --> 00:23:08.910 every reason to think, what's the purpose? Yeah, that's why I 316 00:23:10.029 --> 00:23:12.539 think, what's the point? And just let's just end it all, and 317 00:23:12.740 --> 00:23:18.420 that's what we hear the pro socalled pro choice crowd say, is why bring 318 00:23:18.579 --> 00:23:22.180 a child that you know is entering a family of suffering, entering a world 319 00:23:22.180 --> 00:23:25.700 of suffering? Why? Why let's just kill the baby now? Yeah, 320 00:23:26.619 --> 00:23:30.450 yeah, one of the reasons why? Just looking at statistics. We were 321 00:23:30.450 --> 00:23:34.289 talking a little bit about this. Yeah, suicide statistic and depression. The 322 00:23:34.410 --> 00:23:41.000 more and more kind of an atheistic, secular mindset takes a grip on our 323 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:47.400 society the more and more these things increase, suicide rates, depression and all 324 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:51.799 of this. Because if there is no eternal perspective, if all there is 325 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.029 is this life and, as a said earlier, sometimes life sucks. Yeah, 326 00:23:56.349 --> 00:23:59.789 then what is the point? Right? So we have this assurance that 327 00:23:59.869 --> 00:24:02.990 we've got, even though we're in this temporal world, we've got this eternal 328 00:24:03.069 --> 00:24:07.910 perspective that this eternal God lets us see from, and we get that perspective 329 00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:11.660 from his word and we get that perspective from being in relationship with him. 330 00:24:12.460 --> 00:24:17.700 And what we need to do as ministers of the Gospel, as Sydwalk ministers, 331 00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:22.180 is to help bring that eternal perspective to these MOMS that are in crisis, 332 00:24:22.539 --> 00:24:25.450 to let them know that there's a God that has compassion on them, 333 00:24:25.769 --> 00:24:29.490 like he has experienced the suffering that you're experiencing now, the stuff, the 334 00:24:29.569 --> 00:24:33.049 struggles that you're in right now. God knows about it. He hasn't turned 335 00:24:33.049 --> 00:24:37.130 a blind eye, he's not distant in some kind of deistic God. You 336 00:24:37.210 --> 00:24:40.480 know, the DST think that there's a god, but he really has no 337 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:42.839 relation to his creation. Kind of started everything in them. Yeah, he 338 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:45.359 kind of wound it up and let it go. That's not the god of 339 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.240 the Bible. The God of the Bible is relational. He's in it, 340 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.150 he sees it. Why he doesn't stop it and understanding all of that. 341 00:24:52.349 --> 00:24:56.390 I don't know. I don't see the history he sees. I think he 342 00:24:56.630 --> 00:25:03.829 sees so often we're if you stop that beautiful thread before it's finished, the 343 00:25:03.869 --> 00:25:08.059 pattern, that it's no longer that beautiful and resolve. Yeah, but we 344 00:25:08.180 --> 00:25:11.299 don't see that. We don't always see that. Sometimes we just have to 345 00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:15.660 trust that he does right. Yeah, and with people who are in the 346 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.700 midst of that struggle and the midst of understanding or trying to understand it, 347 00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:25.809 is God really good? Yeah, listening, like we said, having compassion 348 00:25:25.970 --> 00:25:30.690 on them and then helping them to see from an eternal perspective, not in 349 00:25:30.809 --> 00:25:33.009 some self righteous way. I was like, we just need to look at 350 00:25:33.049 --> 00:25:36.079 God's word, you just need to read your Bible. Yeah, but in 351 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.000 a very gracious way. We I think we can help them see. And 352 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.880 again, I think it's sharing testimonies, yeah, sharing what God has done 353 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.480 in our lives, that we've seeing God and saying you're not you're not alone. 354 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.440 Look at not only in our stories, but look at through the Bible, 355 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.750 the Bible. I I turn people to Psalms solve a time. Yeah, 356 00:25:52.750 --> 00:25:56.630 when they talk about I'm all alone in this, God just he doesn't 357 00:25:56.670 --> 00:26:00.589 care about me. But then I'll say, you know, there's so many 358 00:26:00.630 --> 00:26:03.740 people in the Bible that said this same thing, that had the same struggles 359 00:26:03.819 --> 00:26:08.579 that you're having and the same sorrows and questions and they cried out to God. 360 00:26:08.740 --> 00:26:12.980 Yeah, and his book is a story of redemption. Yeah. Absolutely. 361 00:26:14.019 --> 00:26:17.539 Yeah, and we see the summation of it all in the revelation, 362 00:26:17.619 --> 00:26:21.930 right, which is pretty rough story itself. Do you get to the end? 363 00:26:21.970 --> 00:26:27.170 Yeah, when you see that the Lord has redeemed it all and ultimately 364 00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:33.240 Jesus Christ, the greatest king there ever has been or ever will be, 365 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.359 rules over it all and he is actually the the servant King. Yeah, 366 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:42.000 and those who belong to him are in his eternal kingdom, under his rulership, 367 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.920 whether it is no more, as the Bible says, no more tears, 368 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.750 no more suffering, no more pain, no more separation, no more 369 00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:53.549 darkness even. Yeah, God does a way with darkness and death. That's 370 00:26:53.589 --> 00:26:57.509 ultimately the perspective that we need to have, right. We can't always understand 371 00:26:57.549 --> 00:27:03.900 and we can't always help people understand why, but we can't help them understand 372 00:27:03.980 --> 00:27:07.220 who the Lord. He is the redeemer. Yeah, and if you'll put 373 00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:12.180 your trust in him, he can redeem any situation. I found a great 374 00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:21.569 deal of help in going through these examples that we shared today in my ability 375 00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:26.849 then to go back, especially to this one woman and talk with her about 376 00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:30.240 you are not alone. Listen to the people of God who suffered, but 377 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:37.119 they're suffering really did lead to to God, did lead them ultimately into a 378 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:45.390 closer relationship with God. Yeah. So we've really shared some of these tragic 379 00:27:45.549 --> 00:27:48.869 examples from the scripture and even practical as we started out, even the very 380 00:27:48.910 --> 00:27:55.549 beginning of this this podcast. Yeah, with the story from the young lady 381 00:27:55.589 --> 00:27:59.380 on the sidewalk. Yeah, and we've talked a little bit about some of 382 00:27:59.420 --> 00:28:02.900 the redemption that could come. But again, the question is, is God 383 00:28:03.019 --> 00:28:07.539 good? Yeah, and the question of suffering and evil and then bringing the 384 00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:14.529 answer whe there's redemption there is right and that's something we need to say. 385 00:28:14.609 --> 00:28:18.529 But yeah, kind of in the in the every day, I guess, 386 00:28:18.529 --> 00:28:23.369 suffering and then ultimately redemption. What does that look like? So is God 387 00:28:23.569 --> 00:28:26.960 good in the midst of these. Can you find trials? Can you find 388 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.640 you find the Lord? And I don't know if purpose is the right word, 389 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:36.599 but can you find God's goodness in the midst of your struggles and suffering? 390 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.519 And I think you can, and I think, I think we did 391 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.990 talk a little bit about in each of those cases, that that there was 392 00:28:42.150 --> 00:28:48.390 a good that came about at the end. But I think it maybe is 393 00:28:48.710 --> 00:28:52.710 good to kind of think in terms. I don't know conceptually. So what 394 00:28:53.269 --> 00:29:00.019 was the what were those general goods that that came about, the general evidence 395 00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:08.339 of good? So in all of those stories the circumstances were transitory, they 396 00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:14.650 were not permanent. Okay, you'd already touched upon it earlier. And and 397 00:29:14.849 --> 00:29:18.250 so I think knowing that that no matter what we face, it's going to 398 00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:22.210 pass. Now my pass to something worse in some cases, but but it 399 00:29:22.450 --> 00:29:26.720 is, it is, it is going to pass. But I think also 400 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:33.400 understanding that our happiness is not necessarily God's goal. In fact, I think 401 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.279 it clearly is not God's Goll but his glory. Yeah, and that he 402 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:45.589 would be magnified. So maybe we could talk about in any in each of 403 00:29:45.630 --> 00:29:52.940 these cases, how God was good in allowing suffering so what is suffering produce? 404 00:29:53.059 --> 00:30:00.059 And one of the first things that I think these stories show is that 405 00:30:00.220 --> 00:30:07.970 suffering produces joy. And so maybe check out acts. Sixteen, okay, 406 00:30:08.049 --> 00:30:14.289 versus twenty two to twenty four. Yeah, this was the suffering of Paul 407 00:30:14.410 --> 00:30:19.130 and Silas. Yeah, yeah, fairly, fairly wellknown passage. Right as. 408 00:30:19.170 --> 00:30:23.799 Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown into prison at sixteen, Right, 409 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:29.039 the first twenty two, right, says, it says. Then the multitude 410 00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.119 rose up together against them and the magistrates tore off their clothes and commanded them 411 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.710 to be beaten with rods, and when they laid many stripes on them, 412 00:30:36.750 --> 00:30:41.269 they threw them into prison, commanding that the jailer keep them securely. And 413 00:30:41.390 --> 00:30:44.670 having received such a charge, he put them in the inner prison and fastened 414 00:30:44.710 --> 00:30:48.549 their feet in the stocks. But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and 415 00:30:48.710 --> 00:30:52.940 singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. Suddenly there 416 00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:56.660 was a great earthquake so that the foundations of the prison were shaken, and 417 00:30:56.740 --> 00:31:02.140 immediately all the doors were opened and everyone's chains were loosed. Now, so 418 00:31:02.420 --> 00:31:04.490 this is of course, them rejoicing in the midst of suffering, right, 419 00:31:06.250 --> 00:31:10.529 but they were set free, right, they were all the prison he set 420 00:31:10.609 --> 00:31:12.970 free. Right, the prison doors opened up. Yeah, but it doesn't 421 00:31:14.009 --> 00:31:15.410 end there. Right, we might tend to think, okay, well, 422 00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:19.039 the prison doors opened up, they're ready to go, right, just march 423 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.279 on out. Yeah, they didn't, ultimately, Huh. What ultimately happened 424 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.279 is they were a testimony, to witness, this jailer who came to know 425 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.680 the Lord and his whole household. So this is again, this is how 426 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:36.670 God can redeem and bring, in the midst of suffering, a testimony, 427 00:31:36.750 --> 00:31:41.349 a witness for his own glory, for handing. Their response was to praise 428 00:31:41.630 --> 00:31:48.500 and to sing and to worship. And so this joyful, really worship ceremony 429 00:31:48.859 --> 00:31:52.619 in the midst of their terrible circumstances, that nothing had changed. Yet you're 430 00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:56.940 still in jail, and yet they've chosen to they've really chosen joy, joy 431 00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:01.450 and worship in the midst of the struggle. And the result, then, 432 00:32:01.569 --> 00:32:07.049 with that attitude, was they were ultimately freed and many people, a whole 433 00:32:07.130 --> 00:32:09.009 HOUSEHOLP, the jailer's household, came to the Lord. Right. Yeah, 434 00:32:09.049 --> 00:32:17.480 it's pretty amazing. Yeah, so how about suffering produces rewards. Yeah, 435 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:22.880 so I'll read it, or maybe you could read and Hebrews Eleven, twenty 436 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:30.829 four to twenty six. And this is talking about Moses, who chose to 437 00:32:30.589 --> 00:32:37.230 suffer. He chose suffering. And why? Okay, but by faith. 438 00:32:37.390 --> 00:32:39.869 Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of 439 00:32:39.950 --> 00:32:45.460 Pharaoh's daughter, choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to 440 00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:50.859 enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than 441 00:32:50.900 --> 00:32:54.380 the treasures in Egypt. For he looked to a reward. He looked to 442 00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:59.089 a reward he want, he wanted. He chose suffering. It said, 443 00:32:59.130 --> 00:33:05.210 yeah, that he would suffer for God because he didn't want to engage in 444 00:33:05.369 --> 00:33:07.250 sin. He didn't want to suffer for sin. He wanted to suffer for 445 00:33:07.410 --> 00:33:13.440 whatever it was that God was calling him to do, looking to the reward. 446 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:16.200 And he would have been looking for a reward unless he had an assurance, 447 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:22.200 yeah, that there was a reward. So suffering ultimately produces a reward? 448 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:32.390 Yeah, how about suffering produces understanding? Okay, so think about job, 449 00:33:34.430 --> 00:33:38.549 the blind man and the crippled man. Yeah, what was the result 450 00:33:39.029 --> 00:33:45.019 of their suffering in terms of their relationship with God, and that seems like 451 00:33:45.140 --> 00:33:47.420 they were wrong. Brought closer to the Lord, they were drawn closer to 452 00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:52.299 to God. Yeah, sure, they came to a greater understanding of the 453 00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:54.660 Lord, for sure, job did, he said, for I had heard 454 00:33:54.700 --> 00:33:58.849 of you, but now I've seen you and I repent and in Justestin ashes. 455 00:33:58.930 --> 00:34:02.049 So he he came to truly see God for who he was. But 456 00:34:02.289 --> 00:34:07.809 the the crippled man, you know, was rejoicing praising God. Yeah, 457 00:34:08.010 --> 00:34:14.320 was the result. So they all came to see the power and glory of 458 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:20.480 God. And suffering has a way of kind of opening our eyes to what 459 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:27.949 truely matters and and also helping us to appreciate when we're not suffering. Yeah, 460 00:34:27.989 --> 00:34:31.670 you know, like I heard, I don't know the exact same, 461 00:34:31.829 --> 00:34:39.340 but it's like someone said that banging your head with a hammer is really so 462 00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:44.980 valuable because when you stop, you realize how good it feels to stop. 463 00:34:45.099 --> 00:34:50.380 Yes, so when suffering ends, there's a greater appreciation from what you've what 464 00:34:50.619 --> 00:34:54.409 you have been given, that maybe you didn't understand before. Absolutely I know 465 00:34:54.489 --> 00:35:00.769 when I was diagnosed with cancer is probably when I first and most appreciated the 466 00:35:00.809 --> 00:35:05.409 gift of life because I was at risk of losing it. Yeah. So 467 00:35:05.730 --> 00:35:08.719 sometimes suffering gives us that different perspective, gives us a different yeah, an 468 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:15.280 eternal perspective. Yeah. Yeah. So, given all of this, how 469 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:22.789 can we share the gospel effectively to God's people who are suffering? Yeah, 470 00:35:22.829 --> 00:35:27.789 or people who are not yet God's people? Right? How do we share 471 00:35:27.789 --> 00:35:31.949 the Gospel to people who are suffering? Yeah, and how do we effectively 472 00:35:31.989 --> 00:35:37.260 convey to them in the midst of what they see is not good and it's 473 00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:39.420 not something's not good, it's not fun. Yeah, but how do we 474 00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:44.099 have them to see there is a good god? Yeah, yeah, and 475 00:35:44.219 --> 00:35:46.380 I wrote down four things. I think it's a hard question. I do 476 00:35:46.539 --> 00:35:52.170 think it's a hard question. I do think it requires a lot of study 477 00:35:52.409 --> 00:35:57.730 and prayer. But you touched on the on a lot of them already. 478 00:35:57.769 --> 00:36:00.929 We've touched on them. But number one, don't minimize the suffering, and 479 00:36:00.369 --> 00:36:07.559 I wrote but magnify the mission. So they are on a mission for God. 480 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.840 All of us are on a mission for God. We may not we 481 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:13.639 may be kicking and screaming and rebelling against it, but we all have a 482 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.119 mission, yeah, for God. And if we can focus on what that 483 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.269 mission is. If you're on the sidewalk. That mission is to be a 484 00:36:21.349 --> 00:36:25.630 voice for unborn babies. Yeah, and no one else is speaking. So 485 00:36:27.510 --> 00:36:32.300 is their suffering as your ministring there there is, and and is their suffering 486 00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:37.059 in those moms. There there is, in our case, the mission to 487 00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:40.539 speak for the unborn. In the MOM's case, the mission is to care 488 00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:45.260 for that on born. Yeah, and nurture that unborn and do what is 489 00:36:45.340 --> 00:36:51.409 right, yeah, for for that child. So the second one direct attention 490 00:36:51.570 --> 00:36:54.409 from the suffering to the savior. Yeah, that's good. I like eses. 491 00:36:54.929 --> 00:37:00.329 Yeah, a literation suffering to the suffering to the savior, which is 492 00:37:00.409 --> 00:37:05.280 again your eternal perspective. Take them, take them from where they're struggling to 493 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.760 who is ultimately the one that will lend all struggle. Yeah, and that's, 494 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.639 of course, Jesus, giving biblical evidence of God's promises fulfilled, and 495 00:37:15.710 --> 00:37:20.150 we talked about that, yeah, a little bit. And Biblical stories of 496 00:37:20.510 --> 00:37:22.750 those who have suffered and endured and they have come to a pace, a 497 00:37:22.829 --> 00:37:27.070 place of peace and join reward. Yeah, and I'll add to that. 498 00:37:27.829 --> 00:37:31.019 Do you back in on that? That fourth point is personal stories as well 499 00:37:31.099 --> 00:37:36.460 as right. talked a lot about so far in this podcast. Sharing personal 500 00:37:36.619 --> 00:37:40.139 testimonies how God has and I shared a little bit of my testimony. Yeah, 501 00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:44.769 and I share that with with men and women at the abortion center about 502 00:37:44.769 --> 00:37:46.489 how God had brought me from what I felt like was the end of the 503 00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:52.809 world to whole new life in him. Yeah. Sharing Stories of people in 504 00:37:53.329 --> 00:37:59.719 situations of rape, their redemptive stories. Yeah, we're God has brought moms 505 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:04.320 through and their child ultimately was a blessing to them in the midst of that 506 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.800 terrible situation, the terrible thing that was done to them. Other stories MOMS 507 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:15.030 that have had bad diagnosis from a doctor, your baby is going to have 508 00:38:15.190 --> 00:38:17.389 this situation, of that situation, how God was able to redeem that, 509 00:38:17.510 --> 00:38:22.349 turn that situation around or in the midst of that, maybe the doctors diagnosis 510 00:38:22.469 --> 00:38:28.539 was correct. And yet still their testimonies after testimonies of how God was able 511 00:38:28.539 --> 00:38:32.780 to use that what outwardly was a terrible situation to bring redemption. Yeah, 512 00:38:32.900 --> 00:38:38.179 family mother. Yeah, and so those stories, biblical stories and stories, 513 00:38:38.179 --> 00:38:40.809 are the experience. I know, not how they or hell. Yeah, 514 00:38:42.090 --> 00:38:45.090 I mean I would rather not have the story of cancer, but I do 515 00:38:45.849 --> 00:38:52.690 and and it I use that story all of the time, talk about what 516 00:38:52.969 --> 00:38:55.960 was a probably one of the most severe, certainly most severe physical struggle I 517 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:02.519 ever had to endure. But how God was there and and there and in 518 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:08.440 in amazing ways and in little things that that brought hope and just sparks of 519 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:16.309 light in in all of that darkness. So that's another really I don't know 520 00:39:16.389 --> 00:39:22.389 if reward is quite the right word, but benefit even of suffering is that 521 00:39:22.349 --> 00:39:28.820 you now have something you can share with others, especially if you've come out 522 00:39:29.300 --> 00:39:31.900 on the other side of it. Now you have something you can share with 523 00:39:32.059 --> 00:39:37.900 others that that brings hope to them. Yeah, so then I think if 524 00:39:37.940 --> 00:39:40.489 you've gone through all of that, and it for me this was very cathartic 525 00:39:40.650 --> 00:39:45.849 writing this article and going through all of these testimonies of Biblical figures and how 526 00:39:45.929 --> 00:39:50.929 they endured suffering and the really the benefits or rewards, I don't know what 527 00:39:51.210 --> 00:39:57.079 quite the right word is, of of their struggles, then I think maybe 528 00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:02.519 if someone can be brought through that process of thought, then I think they 529 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.909 maybe are more ready and able to hear who is the or what is the 530 00:40:07.989 --> 00:40:13.510 final and ultimate proof of the goodness of God? Yeah, which is of 531 00:40:13.630 --> 00:40:16.710 course, the cross, Jesus at the Cross. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 532 00:40:16.949 --> 00:40:22.820 God, in His mercy, allowing himself to be crucified by the hands 533 00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:29.260 of men that he created, allowing himself to be crucified to pay the penalty 534 00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:34.739 for sin. And was it fair or just for God? Well, I 535 00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:40.250 mean that's that's actually a deeper theological question. Answered superficially. Then they's officially 536 00:40:40.329 --> 00:40:44.489 it was unfair, it was totally unfair, it was unjust. So and 537 00:40:44.730 --> 00:40:49.409 so when I was talking to this woman and I said, when you were 538 00:40:49.570 --> 00:40:52.360 four years old, what happened to you was so unfair. Yes, so 539 00:40:52.679 --> 00:41:00.760 unjust, and yet you have a god who created you, who knows all 540 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:07.829 about unfairness and injustice. Yeah, and and came to the world to solve 541 00:41:07.829 --> 00:41:13.989 that problem. Yeah, yeah, and this is ultimately, as we've touched 542 00:41:14.030 --> 00:41:17.659 on all throughout, redemption. Yes, this is the redemption of lost humanity, 543 00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:22.980 right, but also there's this scriptural picture sometimes that we can miss. 544 00:41:22.699 --> 00:41:28.380 The Jesus Christ comes to redeem lost human beings, but also to redeem the 545 00:41:28.539 --> 00:41:34.889 creation, right to to the Bible says the the creation groans in weights for 546 00:41:35.010 --> 00:41:40.170 the revealing of the Sons of God's ultimate redemption. The creation itself is redeemed. 547 00:41:42.250 --> 00:41:45.489 The the new heavens and the new earth come and what God had intended 548 00:41:45.690 --> 00:41:50.400 with human beings, what God had intended with his creation, for this to 549 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.679 be a display of his glory and for sin not to have tainted and mess 550 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:59.320 the whole thing up. Ultimately, Jesus is blood and His resurrection from the 551 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:05.030 Dead Brings Redemption to the whole thing. So global warming won't matter. They 552 00:42:05.110 --> 00:42:07.150 won't. It's going to be okay. It'll be all right, but it's 553 00:42:07.269 --> 00:42:15.230 only okay through Christ and through God and through his redemptive process, not through 554 00:42:15.389 --> 00:42:20.460 whether we limit Coto, although I'm not saying we should. Well, that's 555 00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:22.099 another I really like for you were going with that. that. Yeah, 556 00:42:22.099 --> 00:42:28.539 all creation is groaning in anticipation what we what it's coming, Jesus says. 557 00:42:28.579 --> 00:42:32.130 Behold, I make all things new. Yeah, all things new. Yeah, 558 00:42:32.449 --> 00:42:37.730 it's ultimate redemption. This fallen world, this, as I said before, 559 00:42:37.530 --> 00:42:42.809 this world that sometimes sucks, this life is sometimes sucks, is not. 560 00:42:43.210 --> 00:42:45.320 It's not going to suck anymore. Actually, it's going to be what 561 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:51.400 God originally intended, and the devil is no longer going to have a say. 562 00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.960 He's no longer going to have a foothold in this lost world. But 563 00:42:55.079 --> 00:43:01.710 Jesus Christ will rule and reign over his kingdom, yea, and those that 564 00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:07.750 belong to him will rule and reign beside him. And it's it's awesome that 565 00:43:07.869 --> 00:43:12.940 God has entered into our suffering and that he's willing to after he ends enters 566 00:43:12.940 --> 00:43:17.260 into our suffering, we get to enter in his victory and that's redemption. 567 00:43:17.900 --> 00:43:21.980 Yeah, that's what God desires for us. Yeah, because he's merciful, 568 00:43:22.099 --> 00:43:25.980 because he's good, because he's good, and I think we've answered our question. 569 00:43:27.210 --> 00:43:30.530 God, God's good, even when we can't see it at the time. 570 00:43:30.889 --> 00:43:32.889 Yeah, he immately is good, Ay man. Yeah, well, 571 00:43:34.010 --> 00:43:37.289 that guys. We're going to wrap this thing up. We appreciate you listening 572 00:43:37.369 --> 00:43:42.000 and we would appreciate if you would share this podcast, if you would leave 573 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.920 us a review on itunes. You can leave us review. Let us know 574 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.320 what you think. Reach out to us, let us know if there are 575 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:51.159 other subjects you like for us to cover. You can reach out to me, 576 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.280 D parks at cities for lifecom. You can reach out to her, 577 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:58.989 vcassy organ cities for lifecom. 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