Dec. 11, 2019

God Brought Her Full-circle (Interview With A Mom That Chose Life)

God Brought Her Full-circle (Interview With  A Mom That Chose Life)

Jamie chose life with Cities4Life 4 years ago. She recently shared her story with us and we want to share that interview with you. God brought Jamie full-circle even calling her to share her testimony in front of the very abortion clinic where we...


Jamie chose life with Cities4Life 4 years ago. She recently shared her story with us and we want to share that interview with you. God brought Jamie full-circle even calling her to share her testimony in front of the very abortion clinic where we met.  Her story and all that was going through her mind when she came to the abortion center, as well as what helped her to change her mind can help us all to be more effective in reaching abortion-minded women.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:06.440 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.470 I am your. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We 3 00:00:10.550 --> 00:00:13.189 got a real treat for you guys in this episode, as me and Vicki 4 00:00:13.349 --> 00:00:16.469 do an interview with the mom that chose life, Jamie Corzynski, and I 5 00:00:16.550 --> 00:00:18.870 believe her testimony is going to be powerful. It's going to be a blessing 6 00:00:18.870 --> 00:00:29.100 of you guys, so stay tuned. I felt show Passi touch your heart. 7 00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:35.140 All right. Well, welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 8 00:00:35.810 --> 00:00:39.170 This is Daniel here and I have Vicky also here with us, and then 9 00:00:39.210 --> 00:00:45.689 we have a special guest, Jamie Quizynski, Corse and Corzinsky. Manna told 10 00:00:45.729 --> 00:00:48.049 you, Elly ruin, that you know what to try. Yeah, and 11 00:00:48.490 --> 00:00:52.840 and she's with us day. She had chosen life for her little boy, 12 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:57.079 Gabriel, a couple of years ago and she's been one of the moms that 13 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:00.719 has chosen life with us who's been a great blessing to us and shared her 14 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:07.189 testimony. And even shared that testimony it was shared on w bet radio one 15 00:01:07.269 --> 00:01:10.069 point, right right, like it was yeah, and maybe he didn't even 16 00:01:10.109 --> 00:01:14.310 one who stations? Yeah, did you know that? Well, yeah, 17 00:01:14.549 --> 00:01:18.469 well, you should have known it. Anyway, it was awesome and there 18 00:01:18.549 --> 00:01:22.739 was a several other ladies. I believe is he shared her testimony, but 19 00:01:22.819 --> 00:01:26.019 we wanted Jamie to come in because we thought that her testimony would be a 20 00:01:26.019 --> 00:01:30.099 blessing to you folks who listen to the podcast and just an encouragement to you. 21 00:01:30.219 --> 00:01:33.890 But also maybe you could learn something if you're doing prolife ministry, if 22 00:01:33.890 --> 00:01:36.569 you're reaching out at abortion centers like we do, if you're working in a 23 00:01:36.650 --> 00:01:40.930 pregnancy center or whatever you're doing in pro life ministry. We feel like, 24 00:01:41.049 --> 00:01:42.730 you know, the testimony from a mom who chose life would be a blessing 25 00:01:42.810 --> 00:01:46.609 to you and help you glean some wisdom and kind of see from that that 26 00:01:46.930 --> 00:01:51.599 perspective. And so, Jamie, welcome the I'm glad you're here with us. 27 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.200 Thank you. I'm glad I'm here too. Yeah, and so, 28 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:57.159 yeah, like I said when we before we started, this would be really 29 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.950 conversational, just kind of us just sort of talking through your story. That's 30 00:02:01.150 --> 00:02:05.750 that's what I want to hear. I actually haven't heard sort of the whole 31 00:02:06.269 --> 00:02:08.830 story of how we met you and how you know, that choice for life 32 00:02:08.870 --> 00:02:12.830 sort of impacted your life and of course, the life of your son and 33 00:02:12.949 --> 00:02:15.669 your family. So I want to hear that personally and I think again, 34 00:02:15.669 --> 00:02:21.139 others would like to hear that. So, UM, without sort of getting 35 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:24.900 into the the whole back story of your life. We met you. When 36 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:28.979 did we meet you? It was a little over four years ago. Okay, 37 00:02:29.020 --> 00:02:31.289 roll before, on the eighteenth of this month. Okay. So yeah. 38 00:02:31.330 --> 00:02:36.289 So, well, four years ago we met you. And and for 39 00:02:36.370 --> 00:02:38.449 the for the sake of those who are listening, where do we meet you? 40 00:02:38.569 --> 00:02:43.289 At? First Time? At the abortion clinic. Okay, let's Trye. 41 00:02:43.370 --> 00:02:46.960 Yeah, yeah, here's Charlotte. Yeah, we're actually on latrobe right 42 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.479 now and we're, you know, just what, hundred and fifty yards or 43 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.479 so away from from that abortion clinic, which is sort of ironic. Then 44 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.280 that's where we first met you. And then and who you are sharing your 45 00:02:55.319 --> 00:03:01.030 testimony. So so, sort of you, if you can sort of rewind 46 00:03:01.189 --> 00:03:07.509 your mind back to maybe the months, weeks or maybe just a couple of 47 00:03:07.550 --> 00:03:13.620 days before before we initially met you at the abortion center, what was going 48 00:03:13.699 --> 00:03:21.460 on in your life? If you don't mind me asking, I was separated 49 00:03:21.819 --> 00:03:30.770 from my my other boys. Well, it's Gabriel's dad father. I guess, 50 00:03:30.090 --> 00:03:37.569 and he was on drugs. Very bad. Yeah, very, very 51 00:03:37.610 --> 00:03:42.520 bad, and I mean it was to a point to where, you know, 52 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:49.879 I mean he was doing things to hurt my kids. And you know, 53 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.199 not only was I having to deal with him, my mom, you 54 00:03:53.280 --> 00:04:00.669 know, she was going through Chemo for skin cancer, and it's just I 55 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.509 was working at a place I just got a job and, you know, 56 00:04:04.069 --> 00:04:08.830 they had told me that if I had had him before a certain time, 57 00:04:08.830 --> 00:04:12.259 I wasn't going to be able to keep my job because I had to be 58 00:04:12.379 --> 00:04:16.660 there year in order to get maternity leave, and it's just everything was just 59 00:04:16.899 --> 00:04:25.129 piled up on me having to deal with their father. I really don't like 60 00:04:25.329 --> 00:04:28.769 saying that word, because he's not he's not been there at all. Yeah, 61 00:04:28.930 --> 00:04:32.610 so having a deal with him just by itself was enough. He was 62 00:04:32.649 --> 00:04:38.410 breaking into my home. He was, you know, very abusive. I 63 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.199 mean, you know, he just yeah, he put his hands on me. 64 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.560 I was I my placenta abrupted while I was pregnant with Gabriel because I 65 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:54.790 was basically thrown to the floor. Wow. So which one of the doctor 66 00:04:54.829 --> 00:04:59.670 who ended up actually delivering Gabriel used to come up here? I don't know 67 00:04:59.709 --> 00:05:05.069 if she still does Dr Collins? Yeah, I think knows. Yeah, 68 00:05:05.149 --> 00:05:10.899 it's a small room. Yeah, so she helped, you know, the 69 00:05:11.019 --> 00:05:15.540 whole abruption thing, clear it up and everything else. But yeah, so, 70 00:05:15.980 --> 00:05:17.420 you know, I mean it's safe to say there was a bunch of 71 00:05:17.500 --> 00:05:21.250 stuff going on yes, sort of like a storm, totally overwhelmed thing. 72 00:05:21.329 --> 00:05:25.889 The you whole life was kind of crashing in on you at that point. 73 00:05:26.209 --> 00:05:30.370 It really was. It was just I wouldn't wish what was going on on 74 00:05:30.569 --> 00:05:33.689 anybody. Yeah, anybody. Yeah, it is. And you were kind 75 00:05:33.689 --> 00:05:38.199 of all alone because your husband was not in the picture. Your mom is 76 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.800 obviously very sick and you felt the great responsibility towards what was going on with 77 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.439 her. Right and you found yourself pregnant. M Yeah, and I didn't 78 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.360 know what I was going to do with you know, I'm already got two 79 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:53.990 kids. How now am I going to provide for another kid, because I'm 80 00:05:53.990 --> 00:05:57.949 not getting any child support? I mean I was from her father, but 81 00:05:58.910 --> 00:06:00.910 not much at all. Yeah, you know, I think some folks can 82 00:06:00.949 --> 00:06:03.980 benefit. You know, folks are listening to a podcast can sort of benefit 83 00:06:04.019 --> 00:06:08.779 from from the story. In this sense. Is just, at least just 84 00:06:08.899 --> 00:06:11.339 the first couple of minutes that you shared is that you know, a woman 85 00:06:11.379 --> 00:06:14.740 that comes to an abortion clinic is I mean there are certainly some that are 86 00:06:14.779 --> 00:06:16.620 cut that come that are just sort of, you know, hardhearted, and 87 00:06:16.699 --> 00:06:21.889 they're just they're just wrapped up in selfishness and they're just going to come and 88 00:06:21.930 --> 00:06:25.370 do what they want to do, because controlling men, right. Yeah, 89 00:06:25.490 --> 00:06:27.889 they don't want to look they don't look bad in a bathing suit and so, 90 00:06:28.370 --> 00:06:31.490 you know, but not every woman. And I couldn't say majority or 91 00:06:31.529 --> 00:06:34.319 not majority, but either way we have to understand that there are folks that 92 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:40.399 come in very dire situations to an abortion clinic. Doesn't justify, you know, 93 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.399 what their plan to do, but it certainly should make us sort of 94 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.680 stop and think, how are we going to reach this person? Because it 95 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.750 felt impossible to you, but indeed absolutely felt I cannot do this. It 96 00:06:49.870 --> 00:06:56.110 did. I mean I'm completely always have been against abortion. That something I've 97 00:06:56.189 --> 00:07:00.069 always been against and coming up here it just, you know, it tore 98 00:07:00.189 --> 00:07:04.339 me up and I mean I was sitting in the parking lot just crying. 99 00:07:04.699 --> 00:07:10.139 Yeah, I mean it I just hated. Yeah, well, you think 100 00:07:10.379 --> 00:07:12.579 that whole drive, because you had a long drive. Yeah, so you're 101 00:07:12.620 --> 00:07:15.610 driving alone. Right, you're all alone. I'll drive into the abortion center 102 00:07:15.689 --> 00:07:19.449 for an hour and a half for something. And what's going through your head 103 00:07:19.449 --> 00:07:26.490 as sure? I just I know I cried probably just about the whole ride 104 00:07:26.569 --> 00:07:33.519 here. I just disappointment, I guess, and just I was overwhelmed with 105 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:40.639 everything. Yeah, it just was almost like nothing. It's just I was 106 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:45.750 just kind of zoned out the whole ride because I didn't know, like, 107 00:07:45.949 --> 00:07:50.029 I'm doing something I'm completely against. Then is it? When you say disappointment, 108 00:07:50.149 --> 00:07:55.110 you mean like disappointment in yourself or just kind of in myself, because 109 00:07:55.550 --> 00:08:01.420 I just, you know, not only that, you know I'm letting my 110 00:08:01.259 --> 00:08:05.860 parents down. I felt like I was letting everybody down just by, you 111 00:08:05.939 --> 00:08:09.379 know, coming up here because again, I'm just I'm not against, I 112 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:15.529 mean I'm I am just so against that in general, against abortion. You 113 00:08:15.610 --> 00:08:20.050 mean. Yeah, and you are your parents? They are? Were They 114 00:08:20.250 --> 00:08:22.209 Christians? Are They Christians? Did they so they would, did they know? 115 00:08:22.930 --> 00:08:28.920 They knew? Okay, they knew, they knew and they were they 116 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.480 were kind of for me doing that because they knew my situation. So, 117 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.360 you know, I mean they weren't too happy that, you know, I 118 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.830 had chose not to just because, just because the situation I was in and 119 00:08:45.950 --> 00:08:48.149 they knew how hard it was going to be on me. But you know, 120 00:08:48.350 --> 00:08:52.309 I had to whenever I came back, I you know, talk to 121 00:08:52.389 --> 00:08:56.820 them about everything and everything was better in the end. So yeah, yeah, 122 00:08:56.860 --> 00:09:01.659 it's good's good. And and how he can sort of change hearts and 123 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:05.379 sort of turn situations around. And of course we'll get to that in your 124 00:09:05.419 --> 00:09:09.659 life and how how the Lord did that. But when you arrive, so 125 00:09:09.820 --> 00:09:13.090 there's a lot of anxiety going on, there's a lot of disappointment in yourself, 126 00:09:13.129 --> 00:09:16.330 a lot of tears and all of that. When you are when you 127 00:09:16.409 --> 00:09:20.370 arrived to the abortion center, what was this the scene like, even if 128 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.169 you may not even have paid attention? You may have just been so teer 129 00:09:24.250 --> 00:09:26.879 eyed and so overwhelmed that you didn't even pay attention. But what was the 130 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:28.159 scene like, if you know what I mean, when you came to the 131 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.679 abortion center? Do you remember? I remember a little bit. I remember 132 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:41.909 driving up and seeing y'all on the sidewalks. Y'All weren't really pushy or anything 133 00:09:41.070 --> 00:09:43.789 like that. You are being, you know, real gentle about the whole 134 00:09:43.870 --> 00:09:48.710 situation and I could hear you guys talking and, you know, trying to 135 00:09:48.830 --> 00:09:52.659 tap me in the coming to speak with you and everything. And I think 136 00:09:52.659 --> 00:09:56.860 I want to say maybe when I was pulling in, when y'all may have 137 00:09:56.980 --> 00:10:00.779 stopped at my car and, you know, was like, you know, 138 00:10:00.940 --> 00:10:03.059 why don't you come and talk to us? We can, we can help 139 00:10:03.100 --> 00:10:07.970 you, and so I just went on and pulled into the parking lot and 140 00:10:09.090 --> 00:10:11.570 just sat there and just cried and cried and cried, and then I heard 141 00:10:11.610 --> 00:10:16.649 them talking about, you know, you want to ultrasound will show you the 142 00:10:16.809 --> 00:10:20.970 baby and all that, and I was like, you know, I was 143 00:10:20.169 --> 00:10:24.559 okay, let me, because I just I could not just I couldn't do 144 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:30.639 it. I just so when so somebody offered it was Vicki there. Okay, 145 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.200 so begin Sherry cheery. Yeah, yeah, so Sherry was very was 146 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.950 the nurse. Yeah, so they were sort of so somebody stopped and talked 147 00:10:37.990 --> 00:10:39.509 with you. Are you're on your way in. You like you went on 148 00:10:39.590 --> 00:10:43.309 end, but you still sat in the parking lot and and sort of his 149 00:10:43.389 --> 00:10:48.590 process and maybe the whole thing. And then what was there anything in particular? 150 00:10:48.830 --> 00:10:50.539 It was just the offer of the ultrasound that made you sort of okay. 151 00:10:50.659 --> 00:10:54.019 I'll just go give this a chance. Is that how it kind of 152 00:10:54.059 --> 00:10:58.419 worked? or it was it was really probably everything. I was hearing them 153 00:10:58.500 --> 00:11:01.820 speak and the things they were saying over the Intercom and then just knowing my 154 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:07.610 beliefs and everything. Yeah, you know, it all just kind of brought 155 00:11:07.649 --> 00:11:09.570 it all together and I kind of just was like, okay, I can't 156 00:11:09.570 --> 00:11:13.730 do this. So speaking on the microphone and you were on the Micshone, 157 00:11:13.809 --> 00:11:16.889 we were on the microphone and you could hear us and you are on the 158 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:22.240 microphone. And back then I don't remember seeing the other people, the pro 159 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.440 choice people. Yeah, I don't really not have been out there yet back 160 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.159 then, four years ago, not so much. Yeah, at least not 161 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.600 on the side. I don't remember seeing them. Yeah, what were some 162 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.149 of the things? If you remember? You may not remember that you heard 163 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:39.389 on the microphone. That maybe sort of kind of added to that whole, 164 00:11:39.870 --> 00:11:43.429 you know, decision and to rethink this thing and to come out. You 165 00:11:43.549 --> 00:11:46.990 Remember? I remember them saying that, you know, they can help me, 166 00:11:46.179 --> 00:11:56.419 obviously give me options, choices, to help me be able to do 167 00:11:56.620 --> 00:12:00.820 what I can, I guess, so that I can be able to have 168 00:12:01.100 --> 00:12:07.009 my baby and, you know, be able to live my life without needing 169 00:12:07.129 --> 00:12:09.129 all this worry. Yeah, you know, and I mean they did. 170 00:12:09.210 --> 00:12:13.529 Yeah, and so at that point, so you're in the parking lot, 171 00:12:13.570 --> 00:12:18.639 you're hearing people talk and offer the free ultrasound. Did you know what pulling 172 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.039 out back out of the parking are you just walk from the parking lot to 173 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.360 the to the RV, because eventually you went on the Mobultra saying right, 174 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.840 I don't did I pull out and, like you know, all over on 175 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.149 the side of the road? And Yeah, that I don't remember. I 176 00:12:31.309 --> 00:12:35.429 remember you getting out of the car crying and me hugging you. Yeah, 177 00:12:35.429 --> 00:12:39.230 I think I may have pulled out again parked ivory. Yeah, right. 178 00:12:39.549 --> 00:12:43.110 Only ask because I sort of I sort of think it's cool sometimes when somebody 179 00:12:43.110 --> 00:12:46.860 walks right out of the parking lot and comes out to the ultrasound unit instead 180 00:12:46.899 --> 00:12:48.220 of going in there, and it's like, you know, it does happen. 181 00:12:48.340 --> 00:12:52.299 But so you never actually even walked in. I never even walked in. 182 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:56.700 So do you remember US talking about God? Yes, all, remember 183 00:12:56.740 --> 00:12:58.929 anything specific or just that, because I had must of its. You, 184 00:13:00.009 --> 00:13:03.210 as a Christian, hearing that reminder, mm, has to have had an 185 00:13:03.409 --> 00:13:07.370 impact. It did you at that time it did. I mean, I 186 00:13:07.529 --> 00:13:11.409 don't remember exactly what Y'all said, but I do remember because, you know, 187 00:13:11.529 --> 00:13:15.360 my beliefs are same age your beliefs. I don't believe in abortion. 188 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.360 I believe it's against what God wants you to do. I feel like he 189 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.759 gave you this baby for a reason. Yeah, you know, I've always 190 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.720 said that. I said that, you know, to my friends. Right. 191 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.870 I've had friend recently. I said the same thing to her and changed 192 00:13:28.909 --> 00:13:33.110 her heart. She turned and chose life. So you're kind of paying it 193 00:13:33.269 --> 00:13:35.909 forward what happened with you. Yeah, so it's just, you know, 194 00:13:37.990 --> 00:13:45.700 just them bringing up, you know, versus and God and all that over 195 00:13:45.860 --> 00:13:50.460 the microphone kind of just it just brought it all back out. Yeah, 196 00:13:50.700 --> 00:13:54.139 and I was just like, you know, this is such an important point, 197 00:13:54.139 --> 00:13:56.929 I think, because I would say most of the women that come to 198 00:13:56.970 --> 00:14:01.049 an abortion center, at least here in the south, say that they know 199 00:14:01.250 --> 00:14:07.169 the Lord, but and and that's always you know, it's like you know 200 00:14:07.330 --> 00:14:16.679 the Lord, but you're here and yet you you understand that. You understand 201 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:24.110 you can love the Lord and be so focused on the struggle that you lose 202 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:31.110 sight of God for at least for that moments of panic. And so how 203 00:14:31.149 --> 00:14:37.820 would you deal with someone like you that comes and and and knows good but 204 00:14:37.980 --> 00:14:43.220 you're feeling this desperation? What are the things that you now, having gone 205 00:14:43.259 --> 00:14:46.299 through this? What are the sorts of things that you would have wanted or 206 00:14:46.340 --> 00:14:52.730 you would want to say to them? I don't know, I guess you 207 00:14:52.850 --> 00:14:58.049 know there are you have all these options. You know, you don't have 208 00:14:58.210 --> 00:15:05.450 to go the way that the devil's pushing you to go. You know, 209 00:15:05.769 --> 00:15:09.919 there's if you can't take care of baby, there's people out there that will, 210 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.879 will love to have your baby or you know, they give you all 211 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.600 these resources so that you know you can find a way to be able to 212 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.309 do everything on your own. And then I would bring them into my situation 213 00:15:22.389 --> 00:15:28.710 and tell them, you know, how my life ended up being and you 214 00:15:28.830 --> 00:15:33.269 know, hopefully that would change their mind because I mean, yeah, yeah, 215 00:15:33.429 --> 00:15:35.700 Lord is done. There in certainly a lot in your life. Just 216 00:15:37.019 --> 00:15:39.500 the little bits that I've heard, even from Vicky, and you shoot your 217 00:15:39.539 --> 00:15:45.500 testimony before a couple of thousand people are more would love life several weeks ago, 218 00:15:45.539 --> 00:15:50.210 and that was really a powerful, powerful testimony. So you eventually came 219 00:15:50.289 --> 00:15:54.009 out again, out of the abortion center and ended up going on board the 220 00:15:54.049 --> 00:16:00.129 Mobile Ultra saying ultrasound unit. Share sort of the the you may not remember, 221 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:02.690 certainly I don't think you probably would remember all the details, but what 222 00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:07.200 was that experience like going on the mobile ultrasound unit and just ultimately seeing your 223 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.279 baby? If you don't mind to share a little bit of that experience? 224 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.720 Well, you know, of course I went on there and they gave me 225 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.039 the ultrasound. I could see him, you know, for a while. 226 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.830 We're at that time I was probably about six weeks. Okay, yeah, 227 00:16:19.830 --> 00:16:23.190 so you've something like that. Maybe five or six weeks APP beating heart. 228 00:16:23.269 --> 00:16:27.950 Yeah, we seen the heartbeat and everything. So even though I was, 229 00:16:29.590 --> 00:16:33.059 you know, only five or six weeks. Yeah, you know, hurt 230 00:16:33.100 --> 00:16:37.580 his heart seeing it's hard everything. They printed off a bunch of pictures. 231 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:40.820 I still have those pictures. Well, and gave them to me. And 232 00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:45.500 do you remember the first time? It's cold. May Be a weird question, 233 00:16:45.539 --> 00:16:48.809 I don't know, but the first time you saw his heart beatings, 234 00:16:48.850 --> 00:16:52.649 you remember sort of the the impact of that? It just it kind of 235 00:16:52.250 --> 00:16:56.090 it broke my heart and away knowing what I was about to do. HMM, 236 00:16:56.450 --> 00:17:00.519 and you know, once I seen that heartbeat, I just I knew. 237 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.319 I was like, I'm doing the right thing by not going through with 238 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.599 it. Yeah, that was the turning point done for you really was seeing 239 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:12.240 that beating hard. Yeah, yeah, and got so good. Sort of, 240 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.640 and I don't say that to tout our horn. You know, we're 241 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.309 out there by God's grace, but and of course it's his his spirits sort 242 00:17:18.349 --> 00:17:21.589 of working on your heart and all of that, but it's just the lord 243 00:17:22.309 --> 00:17:25.269 sort of puts things in our way, not sort of definitely puts things in 244 00:17:25.390 --> 00:17:29.390 our in our path to get us to turn to him and to do the 245 00:17:29.430 --> 00:17:33.059 right thing. And and that's ultimately what what you did by His grace. 246 00:17:33.220 --> 00:17:37.019 You remember after that point on the mobile unit, if you had sort of 247 00:17:37.059 --> 00:17:41.900 any any experience of like, you know, Vicky counseling with you and sort 248 00:17:41.900 --> 00:17:47.450 of walking you through sort of some of the resources and stuff like that, 249 00:17:47.730 --> 00:17:51.769 you remember that. I remember Vicky see me down. You know, we 250 00:17:51.930 --> 00:17:57.009 discussed my situation, her and Sherry both, and we were talking about, 251 00:17:57.329 --> 00:18:03.160 you know, what my options were and you know that they would be here 252 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:08.359 for me. They had counselors that would stay with me. Were you and 253 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.319 doing your at that point of losing your job, because I do know shortly 254 00:18:11.950 --> 00:18:17.950 wasn't and I know that we counseled and talked about and you did a great 255 00:18:17.990 --> 00:18:21.549 job on your own, but I know that we were involved in some parts 256 00:18:21.630 --> 00:18:25.150 and saying, Hey, this is illegal, they can't. They weren't moving 257 00:18:25.190 --> 00:18:30.420 you, they weren't moving you to a place where you could work safely being 258 00:18:30.579 --> 00:18:34.180 pregnant. Correct right, my pass Anta was abrupted. This is before, 259 00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:37.779 you know, I had you know, the doctor fixed it and everything, 260 00:18:38.019 --> 00:18:45.769 but when I passent abrupt died. I was working at a job, a 261 00:18:45.890 --> 00:18:52.089 car, car manufacture, right right, and I was having a lift heavy 262 00:18:52.170 --> 00:18:55.839 boxes and kind of do strain you as thing, and they knew you were 263 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:57.480 pregnant. They knew I was rightened. Right, okay, they knew I 264 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:02.240 was pregnant. I went up to them. I was already trained in another 265 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:06.720 section that was not hard, yeah, and I had asked them if I 266 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:11.509 could just be moved over there and they refuse to move me over there. 267 00:19:11.430 --> 00:19:15.670 And so and I had been cramping and I was kind of worried. So 268 00:19:15.869 --> 00:19:19.390 I was like, you know, I can't keep doing this because something bad 269 00:19:19.509 --> 00:19:25.420 is going to happen. Right, this happened Cup maybe a week or two 270 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:27.900 after I came up here, right, because I recall that you called and 271 00:19:29.259 --> 00:19:33.619 and you're like, what do I do? Yeah, and and now I 272 00:19:33.700 --> 00:19:37.299 don't quite remember if you fought it legally, but we certainly gave you resources 273 00:19:37.339 --> 00:19:41.970 saying, yes, they can't do this, this is illegal. They cannot 274 00:19:41.049 --> 00:19:45.970 fire you for for being pregnant. That's against the law. You gave me 275 00:19:45.089 --> 00:19:49.369 resources, you told me get in touch with the EOC, right, and 276 00:19:49.809 --> 00:19:55.799 so I did end up going and going through with all that. It is 277 00:19:55.960 --> 00:20:04.920 considered sexual harassment. Right. So whenever they when you're pregnant and they don't 278 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:15.710 move you to a part to where physically you can work, that that's illegal. 279 00:20:15.869 --> 00:20:18.509 Right. So, which is so important because, I will say there 280 00:20:18.549 --> 00:20:22.579 are a huge number of women who come here who find themselves pregnant. They're 281 00:20:22.579 --> 00:20:25.740 working, they must work, they need that income, and they say, 282 00:20:25.779 --> 00:20:29.259 I'll be fired. I've been told I'll be fired. Well, that's illegal, 283 00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:30.740 and so it's good to know about. Yes, so you fought it. 284 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:36.130 I didn't fought it, and and one. So, and then there 285 00:20:36.250 --> 00:20:38.250 was the baby shower. I'm sure that was offered. Yes, yes, 286 00:20:38.289 --> 00:20:42.970 y'all came and y'all. Sherry drove about two hours, I think, and 287 00:20:44.490 --> 00:20:48.849 drove to my mom's house and brought me so much stuff I didn't have to 288 00:20:48.930 --> 00:20:52.319 get anything for him at all. Like that was a blessing. That was 289 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.720 through truth and mercy pro life ministries with Caryl Chandler. She supplied the things 290 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:02.480 and then you could not come out here. So Sherry, the nurse drove, 291 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:04.910 drove and brought you all of those those things. And was that helpful? 292 00:21:06.069 --> 00:21:08.470 Oh, it was very, very helpful, very helpful. Yeah, 293 00:21:10.990 --> 00:21:15.670 so you're just kind of talking through the different resources and connections that right there 294 00:21:15.750 --> 00:21:18.299 you were able to make with her. Yeah, and so, you know, 295 00:21:18.539 --> 00:21:22.140 maybe I'm jumping ahead, I don't know, but after that point, 296 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:26.259 you know, you saw Gabriel's at that time. You got knew his name, 297 00:21:26.339 --> 00:21:30.019 but maybe you hadn't had named him yet. He saw his heartbeat pretty 298 00:21:30.019 --> 00:21:33.890 quickly, didn't you? Yeah, what is do date? He was do 299 00:21:33.089 --> 00:21:38.210 on Christmas Day. Okay, they told me in the ultrasound that his okay, 300 00:21:38.250 --> 00:21:41.009 dude, it was Christmas Day and even when I went to the doctor 301 00:21:41.130 --> 00:21:44.529 it was saying Christmas Day and I was like, well, you know what, 302 00:21:44.609 --> 00:21:47.799 I want to name him something. You know that has to do with 303 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.799 the Bible or Christmas, because he's doing Christmas. So I named him Gabriel. 304 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.720 was a kind of like a an affirmation from God. When you when 305 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.960 you heard Christmas Day, I remember us. I'll just saying, oh, 306 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.990 only God. Yeah, yeah, so you UN it, you saw his 307 00:22:04.109 --> 00:22:07.990 heartbeat. You the lord sort of, I guess, solidified your decision to 308 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.069 for life rather than abortion. You heard about the resources and all of that 309 00:22:12.190 --> 00:22:18.900 stuff. was there a point where you felt that a burden had sort of 310 00:22:18.980 --> 00:22:22.619 been lifted from your shoulders? Like this, you know, Hu can breathe 311 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:25.740 again now. Is there a point of that? Yes, yes, I 312 00:22:25.859 --> 00:22:29.019 mean, you know, going back home, still having a deal with that 313 00:22:29.180 --> 00:22:32.730 stuff. Of course, you know that burden was still there. Yeah, 314 00:22:33.009 --> 00:22:37.769 but the you know, the resources that you guys had gave me help me 315 00:22:37.009 --> 00:22:41.410 get out of that. Yeah, you know, before I even left, 316 00:22:41.450 --> 00:22:45.440 Y'all had gave me, I think, two or three bags full of maternity 317 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:52.400 clothes and sure your youngest was then five, something like that. He was 318 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.000 one hit there, eighteen months apart. Oh, that's all? Yeah, 319 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.269 well, God, only eighteen months apart. So he was still young to 320 00:22:59.509 --> 00:23:02.950 and you got, I think y'all gave me some like gender neutral clothes to 321 00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:07.910 so to help out, you know, with that. But yeah, Y'all 322 00:23:08.269 --> 00:23:14.980 help me so much and I ended up being able to I think you helped 323 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:19.140 me find a lawyer that was a pro bono lawyer for domestic violence. I 324 00:23:19.259 --> 00:23:25.019 ended up getting a expart a okay, and guess at that point you really 325 00:23:25.059 --> 00:23:27.730 weren't sure. How do I get out of this? I know it's dangerous, 326 00:23:27.849 --> 00:23:32.490 I know it's damaging, but I have no money to help and it 327 00:23:32.609 --> 00:23:36.609 again, with the magic of Google, we found yeah, we found resources 328 00:23:36.809 --> 00:23:38.130 to help you and they did help you. Yes, yes, she was 329 00:23:38.170 --> 00:23:42.240 able to get that granted for me, and so I ended up with the 330 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:48.000 restraint in order and it may not have worked for a couple years, but 331 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.160 yeah, I mean I ended up moving back on my parents to get him 332 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.990 to stay away, but yeah, it was just I mean that's kind of 333 00:23:56.029 --> 00:24:00.910 the point you're making here in the point, I mean folks should be hearing 334 00:24:00.109 --> 00:24:04.910 is that even when a mom chooses life in such a sort of drastic way 335 00:24:04.910 --> 00:24:10.660 at an abortion clinic, it doesn't mean the situation that seems like abortion was 336 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:14.099 a good option for her just goes away. It's like you chose life on 337 00:24:14.140 --> 00:24:17.700 that mobile, just how you saw your baby's heartbeat. But your situation was 338 00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:21.220 still there, there was still the stuff going on and you still had to 339 00:24:21.259 --> 00:24:26.730 kind of go back into that hmm where there's some things said by either Vicky 340 00:24:26.849 --> 00:24:30.609 or the nerves or even the lord in your heart that helped you. The 341 00:24:30.690 --> 00:24:36.529 help comfort you and helped you fight that battle back at home. Just knowing 342 00:24:37.210 --> 00:24:41.839 the resources that you guys gave me and, you know, knowing that I 343 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:47.359 had people there to help me and help guide me in the direction that I 344 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:52.759 needed to go to be able to, you know, get through all that. 345 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:57.829 That helped me a whole lot. Yeah, and feel all alone. 346 00:24:57.869 --> 00:25:02.950 I didn't feel alone anymore because at that time I was extremely alone, like 347 00:25:03.150 --> 00:25:06.309 nobody was in my corner at all. Right, yeah, you know, 348 00:25:06.430 --> 00:25:07.500 can be a tough situation. It can, and it you know, it's 349 00:25:07.539 --> 00:25:11.779 overwhelming to a councilor to I think, when when there's someone with the host 350 00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:17.539 of really severe issues that that you came with, and I think so many 351 00:25:17.539 --> 00:25:22.849 people in the pro life movement can be overwhelmed and can say what can we 352 00:25:22.930 --> 00:25:26.210 do? How can we help this? And we're nobody. You didn't know 353 00:25:26.369 --> 00:25:30.009 how to help either. But we knew that God is a mighty God. 354 00:25:30.529 --> 00:25:34.609 You had just made this amazing choice in the midst of your circumstances had not 355 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.799 yet changed. But we know that God will provide a way. And and 356 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:42.400 you know, there's just there's a network. Everybody has a network of friends 357 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:48.359 and people and Google that you can you can call a fer if the Google 358 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.029 company would be happy with the fact that we're using their their search engine to 359 00:25:52.150 --> 00:25:55.950 help women seuse life or that. But it was more that you knew there 360 00:25:56.029 --> 00:25:57.869 was someone in your corner. I like how you said that there was someone 361 00:25:57.910 --> 00:26:04.859 else fighting for you so that you weren't all alone. Yeah, that's pretty 362 00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:08.259 amazing again, how the Lord can can bring those things about. You know, 363 00:26:08.380 --> 00:26:12.099 I'm amazed sometimes by, you know, as a ministry, as we 364 00:26:12.220 --> 00:26:17.779 encounter situations like yours and other situations, of the stuff that the lord sort 365 00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:22.410 of puts on our lap and the organizations that we end up connecting with to 366 00:26:22.809 --> 00:26:25.890 meet needs that were like, well, I didn't even know this organization existed. 367 00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:29.730 And you know, I think for example of organizations doesn't have to do 368 00:26:29.809 --> 00:26:33.880 with your story, but with the MOM, couple of MOMS we've encountered that 369 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.319 our drug addicted that are pregnant. It's like this amazing organizations were opened up 370 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.680 that has a maternity home for drug addicted women. It's like, who knew, 371 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.880 you know, and then we, I think Google helped us, found 372 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.910 that right. That again, it was another thing and I think that is 373 00:26:49.029 --> 00:26:52.990 just such an important message to anyone who. You probably encountered it with the 374 00:26:53.029 --> 00:26:56.630 friend that you talked into, you know, choose life, and then you're 375 00:26:56.670 --> 00:27:00.619 like, but now what? Yeah, but but now what? Is Now? 376 00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:06.339 God, and and trust that there is a way. When you make 377 00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:10.500 a choice for life, God will make a way. Yeah, well, 378 00:27:10.539 --> 00:27:11.900 let's talk a little bit more about it. You've shared some of that. 379 00:27:11.980 --> 00:27:15.730 I mean, like a lawyer, that was that you helped her connected with 380 00:27:15.730 --> 00:27:19.289 the lawyers. Are Right, it's pretty pretty amazing. And trying to handle 381 00:27:19.329 --> 00:27:23.730 that situation, which in itself is a difficult situation, where you scratch your 382 00:27:23.769 --> 00:27:26.289 head and like, okay, how do you deal with this? Thank God 383 00:27:26.329 --> 00:27:30.680 that situation was dealt with, but there other stuff going on. You already 384 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:37.799 mentioned the job situation with have that situation paying out. Well, I ended 385 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.079 up losing my God, yeah, so that I ended up taking them the 386 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.230 core or the EOC did because of it being, you know, it's illegal 387 00:27:47.269 --> 00:27:52.509 what they were doing. Yeah, I ended up, it's about a year 388 00:27:52.549 --> 00:27:56.150 later, they end up hiring me back. Okay, so I ended up 389 00:27:56.190 --> 00:27:57.549 getting that job back at the same place. They just put me in a 390 00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:03.539 different department and they ended up, I want, my lawsuit with them and 391 00:28:03.579 --> 00:28:08.180 everything else. So that kind of helped build everything back up and, you 392 00:28:08.299 --> 00:28:14.410 know, it kind of made things better. Yeah, but you know, 393 00:28:14.490 --> 00:28:18.730 it was a good paying job. I was able to, you know, 394 00:28:18.890 --> 00:28:22.369 get on my own with my kids and everything, and I met my now 395 00:28:22.450 --> 00:28:26.440 husband there. He's my trainer. Oh really, how that's that's a fairy 396 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:33.799 story then, then, because you come out of such a really horrific relationship 397 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:38.640 and kids that you love and and and then you meet the love of your 398 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:45.910 life and so God kind of opened a whole bunch of doors for you following 399 00:28:45.029 --> 00:28:48.950 that choice for life. He did. Yeah, now with all a better 400 00:28:48.950 --> 00:28:52.670 roses along the way. Right now, it wasn't. But you know, 401 00:28:53.230 --> 00:29:00.180 once you know, it took me a good I would say two years, 402 00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:04.059 because Gabriel, I think, was like too maybe when he came in the 403 00:29:04.099 --> 00:29:08.019 picture. So he's about turn for so, yeah, it took about two 404 00:29:08.019 --> 00:29:15.210 years for it to finally level itself out kind of. But you know, 405 00:29:15.970 --> 00:29:19.809 finally after that third year, everything is way better. Yeah, much better. 406 00:29:21.089 --> 00:29:23.130 Bear in what I could have ever imagined. Yeah, he is a 407 00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:27.160 scripture that comes to mind for me. Jesus said in this world you will 408 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.839 have tribulation. So this like, okay, you're going to have stuff going 409 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.279 on, but he says, but take joy, for I have overcome the 410 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.400 world. And that scripture, of course, is you know, he's talking 411 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.549 to his disciples and he's saying, Hey, you guys are going to be 412 00:29:40.990 --> 00:29:42.349 really persecuted and you're going to people are going to mess with you, it's 413 00:29:42.349 --> 00:29:45.869 going to be life's not gonna be easy for you, but I've overcome the 414 00:29:45.910 --> 00:29:48.029 world, and that certainly can apply to us. Going to part of your 415 00:29:48.069 --> 00:29:52.109 situations, like you're going to have tribulation, there's me stuff in a following 416 00:29:52.109 --> 00:29:55.660 world. That happens, but take joy, I've overcome the world. And 417 00:29:55.819 --> 00:30:00.779 really clinging to him, clinging to the promises of God, is what helps 418 00:30:00.859 --> 00:30:03.579 us in him to overcome the world. Can you talk a little bit about 419 00:30:03.859 --> 00:30:07.930 how sort of maybe I could be making an assumption, I don't know, 420 00:30:07.369 --> 00:30:12.450 but your walk with the Lord had had sort of been set in a better 421 00:30:12.490 --> 00:30:15.410 direction since you had chosen life. You took a little bit about that. 422 00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:18.730 Now I did start going back to church more. Okay, I'm at that 423 00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:22.680 point, because I wasn't going to church as much. Yeah, I was 424 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.359 just overwhelmed with that job I had. It was just it. I was 425 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.319 working all the time. But so I started going back to church and everything, 426 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.240 and it was like as soon as I started going back to church and, 427 00:30:36.470 --> 00:30:41.349 you know, started making all the better decisions, that's when and everything 428 00:30:41.509 --> 00:30:45.470 started coming together. So, you know, I feel like by me bringing 429 00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:51.579 that back into my life, you know, things got better for me. 430 00:30:51.700 --> 00:30:56.059 Yeah, which they're change from. I was just talking to someone today about 431 00:30:56.180 --> 00:30:59.940 that, that there can be a belief in God, but that can be 432 00:31:00.099 --> 00:31:04.930 different from following God and submitting a life to God. And what was that 433 00:31:06.410 --> 00:31:11.490 something that you can relate to? Yes, yeah, and I mean it's 434 00:31:14.490 --> 00:31:19.400 I don't want to get into like before all this, like before the kids 435 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.519 and everything else, but I had a bad point in my time in my 436 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.839 life, way before them, and you know, I mean it was dark. 437 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:32.440 A lot of people can't get out of that. Yeah, you know, 438 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.589 like with drug addictions. Yeah, you kind of got to, you 439 00:31:36.710 --> 00:31:40.589 know, fight through it all and, you know, pray. I had 440 00:31:40.630 --> 00:31:44.190 to move away to get away from the things I was being around and I 441 00:31:44.269 --> 00:31:48.539 joined the army and got away from it, and so it just, you 442 00:31:48.619 --> 00:31:52.940 know, you kind of got a and when I was in basic I read 443 00:31:53.619 --> 00:31:56.380 the Bible every single night. That was the one thing we could have, 444 00:31:57.299 --> 00:32:00.809 is we could have our bibles and I would read. I started at Genesis 445 00:32:01.009 --> 00:32:05.769 and I read I can't remember. I think I stopped at Matthew, but 446 00:32:06.089 --> 00:32:10.170 we I read every single day a and my book whiles and Basic Training and 447 00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:14.569 aid and I feel like that's what got me through that, I feel like, 448 00:32:14.849 --> 00:32:17.880 and I was the smallest person. So I feel like by me, 449 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.160 you know, my faith would God and all that has got me through so 450 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:29.400 much. Yeah, so, so much, not just my past relationship with 451 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:35.390 the the kids and you know, it's just been from my whole life. 452 00:32:35.390 --> 00:32:40.230 Yeah, right, yeah, so the Lord's been there. Even when you 453 00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:44.700 showed up at an abortion clinic, like the Lord was there. Hmm, 454 00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:50.420 sounds like the Lord is everywhere. Yeah, it sounds like this darkest places 455 00:32:50.539 --> 00:32:53.500 there is who corey ten boom? That said, there is no pit that 456 00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:59.289 you can dig that God is not deeper still. Yeah, you know that 457 00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:04.250 he's there in our deepest, darkest place and we do need to make the 458 00:33:04.369 --> 00:33:07.650 choice to reach out to him. And I think that that's kind of what 459 00:33:07.769 --> 00:33:12.490 happened when you walked out of that abortion clinic. You said, okay, 460 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.839 I'm going to trust you now. Yeah, I'm not just going to believe 461 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.839 in you, I'm going to trust. Nothing's changed, nothing had changed. 462 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.160 You were crying in the car. Nothing had changed, but you walked out 463 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.440 of there and and trusted that God was going to make away, and he 464 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.509 did. MMM, yeah, he definitely did. Yeah, now, I 465 00:33:30.549 --> 00:33:31.869 don't want to put you on the spot with this question. You can say 466 00:33:31.910 --> 00:33:35.630 I don't want to answer that question because you know, I don't want to. 467 00:33:35.910 --> 00:33:37.789 I don't people to have a bad view of your parents or anything like 468 00:33:37.910 --> 00:33:40.500 that, because there was a lot going on in their lives. There's a 469 00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:44.539 lot going on in your life, but when you made that choice for life, 470 00:33:44.740 --> 00:33:46.819 how difficult was it to sort of break that news to your parents and 471 00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:51.940 say, Hey, you know what, I'm keeping this baby and I'm going 472 00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:53.500 to trust God and I'm going to move forward with this thing? Was that? 473 00:33:53.660 --> 00:33:58.170 was that a hard thing for them to swallow, and I mean they 474 00:33:58.210 --> 00:34:01.009 were a little disappointed at first. My parents, you know, they're Christians. 475 00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:05.529 They didn't believe in it either, but they just were saying my situation 476 00:34:06.009 --> 00:34:09.000 and you know what I was about to have to deal with and they knew 477 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.079 who I was dealing with as well, so they didn't want to see me 478 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:21.599 any deeper into that situation than I already was. Yeah, but it when 479 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.590 I got home, you know, I'm just I am the type of person, 480 00:34:24.789 --> 00:34:30.590 though, that I don't let really anybody like that tell me, you 481 00:34:30.710 --> 00:34:34.989 know, I have to do this. I've never been like that, you 482 00:34:35.070 --> 00:34:37.190 know. I just went home and I was like, I can't, I 483 00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:38.980 can't do it. Yeah, I'll just I'll figure out what I can do. 484 00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:43.739 You can be disappointed to me, I don't care. Yeah, it's 485 00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:47.980 just something that I had to I've always I've been like that. But yeah, 486 00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:52.329 sort of sort of hardheaded in a good way. Yeah, but now 487 00:34:52.409 --> 00:34:59.250 they see the this wonderful, adorable, yeah, little boy that that I 488 00:34:59.449 --> 00:35:01.849 know the rest of your children a Dor, I'm sure, the grandparents a 489 00:35:01.969 --> 00:35:10.079 door to. Yeah, and the Jay Carl, yes, has completely embraced. 490 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.239 He has father to all of your child Yes, he don't have any 491 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.960 of his own. So he has took all three of my kids in. 492 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:23.190 Like there he is, and it's just, you know, the first day 493 00:35:23.750 --> 00:35:27.869 the boys met him, they literally ran up to him and I was like, 494 00:35:27.989 --> 00:35:31.909 Daddy, yeah, I thought he was going to run away, I 495 00:35:31.989 --> 00:35:35.469 thought he was never gonna speaight to me. Yeah, but he just picked 496 00:35:35.510 --> 00:35:38.659 them up and just from that point on it was just he was dad either 497 00:35:38.780 --> 00:35:43.380 them. Yeah, the first day I met him. That's cool. That's 498 00:35:43.420 --> 00:35:47.460 cool. So you so your parents heart changed and that matter, they sort 499 00:35:47.539 --> 00:35:50.889 of came around through the fact that okay, she's going to do this and 500 00:35:50.969 --> 00:35:54.289 they embrace that idea and they love their their little grandson, and I'm sure 501 00:35:54.369 --> 00:35:59.489 they give him candy and ice cream and all that. Oh, yes, 502 00:35:59.570 --> 00:36:01.449 and then drop him off that. Yeah, that's right, full him up 503 00:36:01.449 --> 00:36:05.760 with sugar and drive him off to run around the house. Yeah, so 504 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:14.320 you can really talk about how situations change. Yes, and and to make 505 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:19.389 a decision when you're in the worst spot you've ever been, that is a 506 00:36:19.469 --> 00:36:23.389 life or death decision, is maybe not a great time to be making that 507 00:36:23.550 --> 00:36:29.150 decision, right, because things changed, and in your case they changed really 508 00:36:29.150 --> 00:36:32.340 dramatically from where you were yes, three years ago. Yeah, yes, 509 00:36:32.739 --> 00:36:36.900 you. One of the the words I like in these sort of scenarios is 510 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:38.739 sort of that word. It's at a word, or maybe it's two words. 511 00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:44.940 Full Circle. It's come full circle. My beadcition there maybe DA hiphinated 512 00:36:44.980 --> 00:36:47.409 words are one word, but yeah, full circling. And when, I 513 00:36:49.409 --> 00:36:53.570 know when some of your story and no one you from, from your relationship 514 00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:59.690 with Vicki and everything, seeing you sort of come full circle in the sense 515 00:36:59.769 --> 00:37:02.480 that you've actually come to this abortion clinic and shared your testimony of how you 516 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.400 chose life and even beyond that. Before that you helped a friend of yours 517 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.800 that you worked with, I believe, so you worked with who was thinking 518 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:15.909 abortion. You help them to choose life and even brought him here to have 519 00:37:15.309 --> 00:37:19.110 a baby shower that we did here in the office, which was really a 520 00:37:19.150 --> 00:37:22.909 blessing to us and hopefully it was a blessing to her. But yeah, 521 00:37:22.909 --> 00:37:28.030 I mean you've sort of come really full circle here and now on the podcast 522 00:37:28.110 --> 00:37:30.340 here, but also in front of the crowds of, you know, thousand 523 00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:35.340 people or more and on the radio that you didn't know about, your testimony 524 00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:39.380 was shared. That's powerful. Share a little bit about, if you don't 525 00:37:39.380 --> 00:37:43.619 mind, your feelings in coming here again. That that was. was that 526 00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:46.530 your first time ever coming back? It was this this latrobe drive. It 527 00:37:46.809 --> 00:37:51.690 was furt. When I pulled in, I just I got emotional right off 528 00:37:51.769 --> 00:37:53.369 the bat. I got out of the car and seeing Vicky and I just 529 00:37:54.329 --> 00:37:58.920 and I helped her again and she cried again. Yeah, I lost it. 530 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.519 Yeah, I just just coming up here does brought all those memories back. 531 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.719 Yeah, and it just kind of tore me up inside that I had 532 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.440 even thought about that. Yeah, season. Yeah, well, you nervous. 533 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.670 I was very nervous. Yeah, it's ready to pass out, but 534 00:38:15.949 --> 00:38:20.590 in Beninese, and she didn't take breath to put my arms around her butt. 535 00:38:21.030 --> 00:38:24.389 So, which makes it all the more remarkable, because you were terrified. 536 00:38:24.670 --> 00:38:30.059 Never done anything like that. What compelled you to get in front of 537 00:38:30.139 --> 00:38:36.659 those two thousand people and speak? Just hoping that I can reach somebody who's 538 00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:39.139 in my type of situation or in the situation I used to be in. 539 00:38:39.860 --> 00:38:44.530 I just I wanted, you know, that to kind of help somebody in 540 00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:46.570 that situation if they were able to hear it. Yeah, so, like 541 00:38:46.969 --> 00:38:51.769 I you know, I just wanted it to you know, yeah, help 542 00:38:52.050 --> 00:38:54.920 somebody. Yeah, and we know it did and that that testimony was shared 543 00:38:54.920 --> 00:39:01.159 all over the Internet because I shared it other people. But you also, 544 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:07.679 as we're leaving the speech, which is just so moving and wonderful, you 545 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:16.989 saw pro choice people mmm in their vast and saying pro choice. And what 546 00:39:17.190 --> 00:39:22.349 happened with them went when in your in your heart, as you're looking at 547 00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:25.820 them, who are actively trying to prevent us from giving the information, and 548 00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:32.059 that allowed and helped you to make a choice for that precious life. Well, 549 00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:37.219 Vicky said, it was okay, okay, because I walked up to 550 00:39:37.300 --> 00:39:40.489 them and, you know, told them, you know, a little bit 551 00:39:40.530 --> 00:39:45.170 of my story and told them that if they had been there the day that 552 00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:49.489 I came, my son may not be here. And they are like, 553 00:39:49.690 --> 00:39:52.119 well, that was your choice, and I was like, yes, that 554 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:58.320 was my choice. Or what about my baby's choice? Yeah, and they 555 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.320 turn their backs on me. They completely just shut me off. There was 556 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:07.429 one girl who had her face completely covered with a sign the whole time. 557 00:40:07.510 --> 00:40:10.710 She wouldn't even let us look at her face. Yeah, and I didn't 558 00:40:10.710 --> 00:40:14.469 even realize that to I started looking at pictures, I'm like, I remember, 559 00:40:14.510 --> 00:40:16.269 she didn't even let us see her face. Yeah, it's like she's 560 00:40:16.309 --> 00:40:22.179 almost kind of what is that word? I'm looking a shame, a shame 561 00:40:22.659 --> 00:40:24.780 to even be out there. Yeah, well, it could be because, 562 00:40:24.820 --> 00:40:28.300 you know, a lot of times when we, you know, we could 563 00:40:28.300 --> 00:40:31.460 do it as prolifers, we can view this issue as sort of just political 564 00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:38.130 and in disconnect it from human beings, disconnected from real life. I think 565 00:40:38.170 --> 00:40:42.130 it can happen again on pro life side of thinking, captain, certainly on 566 00:40:42.210 --> 00:40:46.449 the pro choice side, and whenever your face to face with the reality of 567 00:40:46.650 --> 00:40:52.559 the choice or the the opposite of that choice, and your face to face 568 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.320 with a woman who had almost that choice who's saying to you that, if 569 00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.639 you would have been here and and try to prevent these people from talking to 570 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.429 me, which is what they're that's their goal out here. Yeah, then 571 00:41:04.510 --> 00:41:07.590 I quite possibly would not have my son, who's a blessing, and rather 572 00:41:07.710 --> 00:41:12.750 than process, process that and rethink their their persuasion. Maybe some of them 573 00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:15.949 did, hopefully they did. They just sort of turn their back on you 574 00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:21.059 and they couldn't answer my question. Yet all they they just couldn't answer. 575 00:41:21.219 --> 00:41:22.980 Just turn their backs. Yeah, now, these are the folks that oftentimes 576 00:41:23.019 --> 00:41:28.699 tell themselves as the most open minded and and the most willing to listen to 577 00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:31.539 everyone and anybody. And it seems that that wasn't the case, at least 578 00:41:31.579 --> 00:41:35.769 that day, where and you know things. That's a pro choice, but 579 00:41:35.809 --> 00:41:42.289 you, they're not trying to tell them, but you're blocking the choice that 580 00:41:42.449 --> 00:41:46.090 saved my baby. You're blocking the choice for life. You guys give more 581 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.400 choices than they ever would. They only do one choice. That's not a 582 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.800 choice. They're pro abortion. That's all they are. They're not pro choice. 583 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.719 If they were pro choice, they would be given choices to these women, 584 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.909 right, not pushing them to that abortion clinic. Yeah, because, 585 00:42:02.469 --> 00:42:07.670 you know, you guys are given the choices and the options to help them 586 00:42:07.869 --> 00:42:15.269 be able to keep their baby instead of, yeah, throwing parties and doing 587 00:42:15.349 --> 00:42:17.980 everything that they do over there. But now they say that all the women, 588 00:42:19.059 --> 00:42:21.699 they tell us so well, all the women that come there, their 589 00:42:21.739 --> 00:42:25.900 mind just made up. was that true for you over there? Yeah, 590 00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:30.250 it was not made up. I was still in, you know, this 591 00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:36.929 whole guess cloud. Yeah, it is what you can say. It was 592 00:42:37.010 --> 00:42:39.889 because I didn't really I didn't want to be there. I didn't want to 593 00:42:39.889 --> 00:42:45.199 be there at all, and I'm sure every woman who goes there probably feels 594 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.880 the same way just about. I mean, you know, you may have 595 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.760 some that just yeah, I'm going to ask you a question that I think 596 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:58.239 it's going to be real important and maybe a heavy question, maybe not, 597 00:42:59.710 --> 00:43:01.789 and it, you know, helps, hopefully it will help other people who 598 00:43:01.789 --> 00:43:07.630 are thinking about get involved at an abortion clinic sort of spur them to action. 599 00:43:08.269 --> 00:43:12.940 Do you think that if there were no prolife people on the sidewalk in 600 00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:15.099 front of that, the treble abortion center, when you arrived, that you 601 00:43:15.179 --> 00:43:22.059 would have quite possibly gone through with that abortion? I may have, just 602 00:43:22.300 --> 00:43:24.579 because I just I didn't know what else to do. I don't know I 603 00:43:24.699 --> 00:43:28.690 had options. Yeah, you know, I didn't know I was going to 604 00:43:28.809 --> 00:43:31.170 have, you know, the things that you guys offered me. I didn't 605 00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:37.090 know that I was able to do certain things to be able to get where 606 00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:39.570 I needed to go to be able to take care of my kids. Yeah, 607 00:43:39.809 --> 00:43:44.639 so if you guys hadn't been there, I probably would have. Yeah, 608 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.760 and that's the sad reality. You know, all over the country, 609 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.239 I mean there's, you know, don't how many. I think there's seven 610 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:55.309 hundred and something abortion clinics across the country and some of those there's nobody there 611 00:43:55.590 --> 00:44:00.309 to reach out. And you know, they're even abortion clinics in the city 612 00:44:00.349 --> 00:44:04.190 of Charlotte. There's four of them now in the city. Charlotte's latrobe is 613 00:44:04.230 --> 00:44:07.309 still the most visited abortion clinic. That does more abortions than the probably all 614 00:44:07.349 --> 00:44:14.099 of them combined, but there are times that there aren't any people there those 615 00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:17.179 other abortion clinics. Thankfully we have somebody here every day, but that's sort 616 00:44:17.219 --> 00:44:22.099 of one of our goals for next year is to have folks out here at 617 00:44:22.139 --> 00:44:24.449 the abortion clinics, every abortion clinic every day that they're open that they're doing 618 00:44:24.489 --> 00:44:29.690 abortions. I think it should be a goal for every church and personally to 619 00:44:29.809 --> 00:44:32.050 have a pro life ministry that reaches out of their abortion clinic and can be 620 00:44:32.170 --> 00:44:36.570 a voice for those babies in a voice to the women that show up, 621 00:44:36.769 --> 00:44:39.559 because, you know, this is not just about saving babies, this is 622 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.639 about proclaiming the Gospel and it's about rescuing women who are going in and rescuing 623 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:52.070 families who are destroyed by abortion. Portions. Such a such a ravenous thing, 624 00:44:52.349 --> 00:44:57.590 just destroys lives, it destroys families, of destroys hearts and you know, 625 00:44:57.630 --> 00:44:59.710 it's our job, of those who are called to love our neighbor as 626 00:44:59.750 --> 00:45:04.030 ourselves, to do what we can to help stop abortion and help persuade people 627 00:45:04.030 --> 00:45:07.219 to choose life. Yeah, yeah, there is a woman. Just today, 628 00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:10.699 as I pulled up and I was leaving our office and walk into the 629 00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:15.019 abortion center, there's a woman, another one of our councilors has had stopped 630 00:45:15.059 --> 00:45:17.780 and spoken to, who chose life, I. Who told her she was 631 00:45:17.980 --> 00:45:23.610 praying that God would just put someone in her path because she, like you, 632 00:45:23.809 --> 00:45:27.329 she did not want to do it, not deep in her heart, 633 00:45:27.369 --> 00:45:32.610 but she was desperate. They're desperate and and so praise God that there were 634 00:45:32.690 --> 00:45:37.360 people standing there that could tell them you don't have to do this, there 635 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:42.960 are options. Yeah, well, you know, as we wrap up here, 636 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.119 I want to give you an opportunity if if you want to take the 637 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:50.429 opportunity. If you had and she asked earlier, but I'm going to ask 638 00:45:50.469 --> 00:45:52.590 again because I think it's cool to ask you again if you had the opportunity, 639 00:45:52.590 --> 00:45:57.590 and you did, to speak with an abortion minded friend or, you 640 00:45:57.750 --> 00:46:01.429 know, family member or whatever, what are some of the things that you 641 00:46:01.469 --> 00:46:05.860 would say to them to help persuade them not to get there with an abortion. 642 00:46:07.579 --> 00:46:09.539 You know, I'd bring up my story. Yeah, you know St 643 00:46:09.739 --> 00:46:15.579 Yeah, everything I went through. You know, I know everybody's different, 644 00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:24.369 but just the fact that by me choosing life, my life has turned around 645 00:46:24.849 --> 00:46:30.170 so much. I now have a man who takes care of my kids like 646 00:46:30.730 --> 00:46:34.159 as if they were his own. You know, we just bought our first 647 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:42.679 house. You know, everything has completely changed and I feel like by me 648 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:49.909 doing all that that it pushed me in that direction and I feel like it 649 00:46:49.989 --> 00:46:53.469 would do that for other people as well. Yeah, if you just try 650 00:46:53.590 --> 00:46:57.909 to fight through it all, I know it's hard, because it's very hard. 651 00:46:57.909 --> 00:47:01.579 Yeah, very hard having to deal with all that, but if you 652 00:47:02.019 --> 00:47:06.699 can just try to fight through it just for a little bit, you know 653 00:47:06.820 --> 00:47:09.739 it's going to end up better in the Lauren. You know, God never 654 00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:16.210 gives you more than you can handle. Yeah, so it always will end 655 00:47:16.289 --> 00:47:21.449 up in the direction that it's meant to be and you're going to end up 656 00:47:22.130 --> 00:47:27.690 in a better situation. Yeah, you quoted a scripture at the end of 657 00:47:27.809 --> 00:47:32.280 your speech. Was that lean not on your own understanding in all your ways, 658 00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:37.880 to acknowledge him and he will direct your past. It's my favorites. 659 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.239 Yeah, yeah, that's one of my favorites and he did that for you. 660 00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.000 Didn't hate it, you. Yeah, that's why I chose that verse. 661 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.750 Yeah, it's a Lord. Well, Jamie, thank you for coming 662 00:47:46.789 --> 00:47:51.110 and chaering your good ways away from here. It's like two hours for you 663 00:47:51.190 --> 00:47:53.590 to get here something. Yeah, and so we really appreciate it. I 664 00:47:53.750 --> 00:47:58.150 know the folks that are going to listen to this podcast are going to appreciate 665 00:47:58.150 --> 00:48:00.539 it. I appreciated this personal just hearing your stories, hear what God has 666 00:48:00.579 --> 00:48:04.019 done. It's such an encouragement to me, such a blessing to me. 667 00:48:05.179 --> 00:48:08.420 I do want to encourage those who are listening to the podcast to go on 668 00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:13.489 our website and connect with us. CHARLOTTE DOT cities. Life Dot Org is 669 00:48:13.570 --> 00:48:15.849 our website, and also we do have, as I'd mentioned, people getting 670 00:48:15.849 --> 00:48:19.809 involved in sidewalk counseling, being a presence of the abortion clinics. We have 671 00:48:19.849 --> 00:48:23.690 a website that's designed to help you to do that. WWW dot sidewalks, 672 00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:29.800 the number for for lifecom, and that'll train and equip you and help equip 673 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:35.119 you to get involved in sidewalk counseling. If you if you want to connect 674 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:38.039 with me personally, you can get in connect with me through my email address 675 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.989 the parks at cities for lifecom and Vicki vcassey Org at cities for lifecom. 676 00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:46.070 We'd love to hear from you. Would love to get some feedback from you 677 00:48:46.269 --> 00:48:51.349 on this podcast or other podcast. We'd love to hear from you some suggestions 678 00:48:51.389 --> 00:48:54.510 of other podcasts. Hopefully we'll have some other moms like Jamie who have chosen 679 00:48:54.550 --> 00:48:59.940 life on the on a podcast, on an episode and share from their perspective. 680 00:49:00.699 --> 00:49:02.619 But we were blessed to have heavy here, Jamie, and we're blessed 681 00:49:02.659 --> 00:49:07.139 for those who listen and pray that you're blessed as you as you continue to 682 00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:35.480 seek the service the Lord use mill give me costly my life, but these 683 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:36.639 two precious