God Brought Her Full-circle (Interview With A Mom That Chose Life)

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:06.440I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord,200:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.470I am your. Welcome to theGospel Center pro life podcast. We300:00:10.550 --> 00:00:13.189got a real treat for you guysin this episode, as me and Vicki400:00:13.349 --> 00:00:16.469do an interview with the mom thatchose life, Jamie Corzynski, and I500:00:16.550 --> 00:00:18.870believe her testimony is going to bepowerful. It's going to be a blessing600:00:18.870 --> 00:00:29.100of you guys, so stay tuned. I felt show Passi touch your heart.700:00:32.460 --> 00:00:35.140All right. Well, welcome tothe Gospel Center pro life podcast.800:00:35.810 --> 00:00:39.170This is Daniel here and I haveVicky also here with us, and then900:00:39.210 --> 00:00:45.689we have a special guest, JamieQuizynski, Corse and Corzinsky. Manna told1000:00:45.729 --> 00:00:48.049you, Elly ruin, that youknow what to try. Yeah, and1100:00:48.490 --> 00:00:52.840and she's with us day. Shehad chosen life for her little boy,1200:00:52.960 --> 00:00:57.079Gabriel, a couple of years agoand she's been one of the moms that1300:00:57.200 --> 00:01:00.719has chosen life with us who's beena great blessing to us and shared her1400:01:00.759 --> 00:01:07.189testimony. And even shared that testimonyit was shared on w bet radio one1500:01:07.269 --> 00:01:10.069point, right right, like itwas yeah, and maybe he didn't even1600:01:10.109 --> 00:01:14.310one who stations? Yeah, didyou know that? Well, yeah,1700:01:14.549 --> 00:01:18.469well, you should have known it. Anyway, it was awesome and there1800:01:18.549 --> 00:01:22.739was a several other ladies. Ibelieve is he shared her testimony, but1900:01:22.819 --> 00:01:26.019we wanted Jamie to come in becausewe thought that her testimony would be a2000:01:26.019 --> 00:01:30.099blessing to you folks who listen tothe podcast and just an encouragement to you.2100:01:30.219 --> 00:01:33.890But also maybe you could learn somethingif you're doing prolife ministry, if2200:01:33.890 --> 00:01:36.569you're reaching out at abortion centers likewe do, if you're working in a2300:01:36.650 --> 00:01:40.930pregnancy center or whatever you're doing inpro life ministry. We feel like,2400:01:41.049 --> 00:01:42.730you know, the testimony from amom who chose life would be a blessing2500:01:42.810 --> 00:01:46.609to you and help you glean somewisdom and kind of see from that that2600:01:46.930 --> 00:01:51.599perspective. And so, Jamie,welcome the I'm glad you're here with us.2700:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.200Thank you. I'm glad I'm heretoo. Yeah, and so,2800:01:55.319 --> 00:01:57.159yeah, like I said when webefore we started, this would be really2900:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.950conversational, just kind of us justsort of talking through your story. That's3000:02:01.150 --> 00:02:05.750that's what I want to hear.I actually haven't heard sort of the whole3100:02:06.269 --> 00:02:08.830story of how we met you andhow you know, that choice for life3200:02:08.870 --> 00:02:12.830sort of impacted your life and ofcourse, the life of your son and3300:02:12.949 --> 00:02:15.669your family. So I want tohear that personally and I think again,3400:02:15.669 --> 00:02:21.139others would like to hear that.So, UM, without sort of getting3500:02:21.180 --> 00:02:24.900into the the whole back story ofyour life. We met you. When3600:02:24.900 --> 00:02:28.979did we meet you? It wasa little over four years ago. Okay,3700:02:29.020 --> 00:02:31.289roll before, on the eighteenth ofthis month. Okay. So yeah.3800:02:31.330 --> 00:02:36.289So, well, four years agowe met you. And and for3900:02:36.370 --> 00:02:38.449the for the sake of those whoare listening, where do we meet you?4000:02:38.569 --> 00:02:43.289At? First Time? At theabortion clinic. Okay, let's Trye.4100:02:43.370 --> 00:02:46.960Yeah, yeah, here's Charlotte.Yeah, we're actually on latrobe right4200:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.479now and we're, you know,just what, hundred and fifty yards or4300:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.479so away from from that abortion clinic, which is sort of ironic. Then4400:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.280that's where we first met you.And then and who you are sharing your4500:02:55.319 --> 00:03:01.030testimony. So so, sort ofyou, if you can sort of rewind4600:03:01.189 --> 00:03:07.509your mind back to maybe the months, weeks or maybe just a couple of4700:03:07.550 --> 00:03:13.620days before before we initially met youat the abortion center, what was going4800:03:13.699 --> 00:03:21.460on in your life? If youdon't mind me asking, I was separated4900:03:21.819 --> 00:03:30.770from my my other boys. Well, it's Gabriel's dad father. I guess,5000:03:30.090 --> 00:03:37.569and he was on drugs. Verybad. Yeah, very, very5100:03:37.610 --> 00:03:42.520bad, and I mean it wasto a point to where, you know,5200:03:43.919 --> 00:03:49.879I mean he was doing things tohurt my kids. And you know,5300:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.199not only was I having to dealwith him, my mom, you5400:03:53.280 --> 00:04:00.669know, she was going through Chemofor skin cancer, and it's just I5500:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.509was working at a place I justgot a job and, you know,5600:04:04.069 --> 00:04:08.830they had told me that if Ihad had him before a certain time,5700:04:08.830 --> 00:04:12.259I wasn't going to be able tokeep my job because I had to be5800:04:12.379 --> 00:04:16.660there year in order to get maternityleave, and it's just everything was just5900:04:16.899 --> 00:04:25.129piled up on me having to dealwith their father. I really don't like6000:04:25.329 --> 00:04:28.769saying that word, because he's nothe's not been there at all. Yeah,6100:04:28.930 --> 00:04:32.610so having a deal with him justby itself was enough. He was6200:04:32.649 --> 00:04:38.410breaking into my home. He was, you know, very abusive. I6300:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.199mean, you know, he justyeah, he put his hands on me.6400:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.560I was I my placenta abrupted whileI was pregnant with Gabriel because I6500:04:46.600 --> 00:04:54.790was basically thrown to the floor.Wow. So which one of the doctor6600:04:54.829 --> 00:04:59.670who ended up actually delivering Gabriel usedto come up here? I don't know6700:04:59.709 --> 00:05:05.069if she still does Dr Collins?Yeah, I think knows. Yeah,6800:05:05.149 --> 00:05:10.899it's a small room. Yeah,so she helped, you know, the6900:05:11.019 --> 00:05:15.540whole abruption thing, clear it upand everything else. But yeah, so,7000:05:15.980 --> 00:05:17.420you know, I mean it's safeto say there was a bunch of7100:05:17.500 --> 00:05:21.250stuff going on yes, sort oflike a storm, totally overwhelmed thing.7200:05:21.329 --> 00:05:25.889The you whole life was kind ofcrashing in on you at that point.7300:05:26.209 --> 00:05:30.370It really was. It was justI wouldn't wish what was going on on7400:05:30.569 --> 00:05:33.689anybody. Yeah, anybody. Yeah, it is. And you were kind7500:05:33.689 --> 00:05:38.199of all alone because your husband wasnot in the picture. Your mom is7600:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.800obviously very sick and you felt thegreat responsibility towards what was going on with7700:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.439her. Right and you found yourselfpregnant. M Yeah, and I didn't7800:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.360know what I was going to dowith you know, I'm already got two7900:05:48.399 --> 00:05:53.990kids. How now am I goingto provide for another kid, because I'm8000:05:53.990 --> 00:05:57.949not getting any child support? Imean I was from her father, but8100:05:58.910 --> 00:06:00.910not much at all. Yeah,you know, I think some folks can8200:06:00.949 --> 00:06:03.980benefit. You know, folks arelistening to a podcast can sort of benefit8300:06:04.019 --> 00:06:08.779from from the story. In thissense. Is just, at least just8400:06:08.899 --> 00:06:11.339the first couple of minutes that youshared is that you know, a woman8500:06:11.379 --> 00:06:14.740that comes to an abortion clinic isI mean there are certainly some that are8600:06:14.779 --> 00:06:16.620cut that come that are just sortof, you know, hardhearted, and8700:06:16.699 --> 00:06:21.889they're just they're just wrapped up inselfishness and they're just going to come and8800:06:21.930 --> 00:06:25.370do what they want to do,because controlling men, right. Yeah,8900:06:25.490 --> 00:06:27.889they don't want to look they don'tlook bad in a bathing suit and so,9000:06:28.370 --> 00:06:31.490you know, but not every woman. And I couldn't say majority or9100:06:31.529 --> 00:06:34.319not majority, but either way wehave to understand that there are folks that9200:06:34.439 --> 00:06:40.399come in very dire situations to anabortion clinic. Doesn't justify, you know,9300:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.399what their plan to do, butit certainly should make us sort of9400:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.680stop and think, how are wegoing to reach this person? Because it9500:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.750felt impossible to you, but indeedabsolutely felt I cannot do this. It9600:06:49.870 --> 00:06:56.110did. I mean I'm completely alwayshave been against abortion. That something I've9700:06:56.189 --> 00:07:00.069always been against and coming up hereit just, you know, it tore9800:07:00.189 --> 00:07:04.339me up and I mean I wassitting in the parking lot just crying.9900:07:04.699 --> 00:07:10.139Yeah, I mean it I justhated. Yeah, well, you think10000:07:10.379 --> 00:07:12.579that whole drive, because you hada long drive. Yeah, so you're10100:07:12.620 --> 00:07:15.610driving alone. Right, you're allalone. I'll drive into the abortion center10200:07:15.689 --> 00:07:19.449for an hour and a half forsomething. And what's going through your head10300:07:19.449 --> 00:07:26.490as sure? I just I knowI cried probably just about the whole ride10400:07:26.569 --> 00:07:33.519here. I just disappointment, Iguess, and just I was overwhelmed with10500:07:33.680 --> 00:07:40.639everything. Yeah, it just wasalmost like nothing. It's just I was10600:07:40.759 --> 00:07:45.750just kind of zoned out the wholeride because I didn't know, like,10700:07:45.949 --> 00:07:50.029I'm doing something I'm completely against.Then is it? When you say disappointment,10800:07:50.149 --> 00:07:55.110you mean like disappointment in yourself orjust kind of in myself, because10900:07:55.550 --> 00:08:01.420I just, you know, notonly that, you know I'm letting my11000:08:01.259 --> 00:08:05.860parents down. I felt like Iwas letting everybody down just by, you11100:08:05.939 --> 00:08:09.379know, coming up here because again, I'm just I'm not against, I11200:08:09.500 --> 00:08:15.529mean I'm I am just so againstthat in general, against abortion. You11300:08:15.610 --> 00:08:20.050mean. Yeah, and you areyour parents? They are? Were They11400:08:20.250 --> 00:08:22.209Christians? Are They Christians? Didthey so they would, did they know?11500:08:22.930 --> 00:08:28.920They knew? Okay, they knew, they knew and they were they11600:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.480were kind of for me doing thatbecause they knew my situation. So,11700:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.360you know, I mean they weren'ttoo happy that, you know, I11800:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.830had chose not to just because,just because the situation I was in and11900:08:45.950 --> 00:08:48.149they knew how hard it was goingto be on me. But you know,12000:08:48.350 --> 00:08:52.309I had to whenever I came back, I you know, talk to12100:08:52.389 --> 00:08:56.820them about everything and everything was betterin the end. So yeah, yeah,12200:08:56.860 --> 00:09:01.659it's good's good. And and howhe can sort of change hearts and12300:09:01.100 --> 00:09:05.379sort of turn situations around. Andof course we'll get to that in your12400:09:05.419 --> 00:09:09.659life and how how the Lord didthat. But when you arrive, so12500:09:09.820 --> 00:09:13.090there's a lot of anxiety going on, there's a lot of disappointment in yourself,12600:09:13.129 --> 00:09:16.330a lot of tears and all ofthat. When you are when you12700:09:16.409 --> 00:09:20.370arrived to the abortion center, whatwas this the scene like, even if12800:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.169you may not even have paid attention? You may have just been so teer12900:09:24.250 --> 00:09:26.879eyed and so overwhelmed that you didn'teven pay attention. But what was the13000:09:26.919 --> 00:09:28.159scene like, if you know whatI mean, when you came to the13100:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.679abortion center? Do you remember?I remember a little bit. I remember13200:09:33.720 --> 00:09:41.909driving up and seeing y'all on thesidewalks. Y'All weren't really pushy or anything13300:09:41.070 --> 00:09:43.789like that. You are being,you know, real gentle about the whole13400:09:43.870 --> 00:09:48.710situation and I could hear you guystalking and, you know, trying to13500:09:48.830 --> 00:09:52.659tap me in the coming to speakwith you and everything. And I think13600:09:52.659 --> 00:09:56.860I want to say maybe when Iwas pulling in, when y'all may have13700:09:56.980 --> 00:10:00.779stopped at my car and, youknow, was like, you know,13800:10:00.940 --> 00:10:03.059why don't you come and talk tous? We can, we can help13900:10:03.100 --> 00:10:07.970you, and so I just wenton and pulled into the parking lot and14000:10:09.090 --> 00:10:11.570just sat there and just cried andcried and cried, and then I heard14100:10:11.610 --> 00:10:16.649them talking about, you know,you want to ultrasound will show you the14200:10:16.809 --> 00:10:20.970baby and all that, and Iwas like, you know, I was14300:10:20.169 --> 00:10:24.559okay, let me, because Ijust I could not just I couldn't do14400:10:24.600 --> 00:10:30.639it. I just so when sosomebody offered it was Vicki there. Okay,14500:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.200so begin Sherry cheery. Yeah,yeah, so Sherry was very was14600:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.950the nurse. Yeah, so theywere sort of so somebody stopped and talked14700:10:37.990 --> 00:10:39.509with you. Are you're on yourway in. You like you went on14800:10:39.590 --> 00:10:43.309end, but you still sat inthe parking lot and and sort of his14900:10:43.389 --> 00:10:48.590process and maybe the whole thing.And then what was there anything in particular?15000:10:48.830 --> 00:10:50.539It was just the offer of theultrasound that made you sort of okay.15100:10:50.659 --> 00:10:54.019I'll just go give this a chance. Is that how it kind of15200:10:54.059 --> 00:10:58.419worked? or it was it wasreally probably everything. I was hearing them15300:10:58.500 --> 00:11:01.820speak and the things they were sayingover the Intercom and then just knowing my15400:11:01.980 --> 00:11:07.610beliefs and everything. Yeah, youknow, it all just kind of brought15500:11:07.649 --> 00:11:09.570it all together and I kind ofjust was like, okay, I can't15600:11:09.570 --> 00:11:13.730do this. So speaking on themicrophone and you were on the Micshone,15700:11:13.809 --> 00:11:16.889we were on the microphone and youcould hear us and you are on the15800:11:16.929 --> 00:11:22.240microphone. And back then I don'tremember seeing the other people, the pro15900:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.440choice people. Yeah, I don'treally not have been out there yet back16000:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.159then, four years ago, notso much. Yeah, at least not16100:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.600on the side. I don't rememberseeing them. Yeah, what were some16200:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.149of the things? If you remember? You may not remember that you heard16300:11:35.230 --> 00:11:39.389on the microphone. That maybe sortof kind of added to that whole,16400:11:39.870 --> 00:11:43.429you know, decision and to rethinkthis thing and to come out. You16500:11:43.549 --> 00:11:46.990Remember? I remember them saying that, you know, they can help me,16600:11:46.179 --> 00:11:56.419obviously give me options, choices,to help me be able to do16700:11:56.620 --> 00:12:00.820what I can, I guess,so that I can be able to have16800:12:01.100 --> 00:12:07.009my baby and, you know,be able to live my life without needing16900:12:07.129 --> 00:12:09.129all this worry. Yeah, youknow, and I mean they did.17000:12:09.210 --> 00:12:13.529Yeah, and so at that point, so you're in the parking lot,17100:12:13.570 --> 00:12:18.639you're hearing people talk and offer thefree ultrasound. Did you know what pulling17200:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.039out back out of the parking areyou just walk from the parking lot to17300:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.360the to the RV, because eventuallyyou went on the Mobultra saying right,17400:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.840I don't did I pull out and, like you know, all over on17500:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.149the side of the road? AndYeah, that I don't remember. I17600:12:31.309 --> 00:12:35.429remember you getting out of the carcrying and me hugging you. Yeah,17700:12:35.429 --> 00:12:39.230I think I may have pulled outagain parked ivory. Yeah, right.17800:12:39.549 --> 00:12:43.110Only ask because I sort of Isort of think it's cool sometimes when somebody17900:12:43.110 --> 00:12:46.860walks right out of the parking lotand comes out to the ultrasound unit instead18000:12:46.899 --> 00:12:48.220of going in there, and it'slike, you know, it does happen.18100:12:48.340 --> 00:12:52.299But so you never actually even walkedin. I never even walked in.18200:12:52.700 --> 00:12:56.700So do you remember US talking aboutGod? Yes, all, remember18300:12:56.740 --> 00:12:58.929anything specific or just that, becauseI had must of its. You,18400:13:00.009 --> 00:13:03.210as a Christian, hearing that reminder, mm, has to have had an18500:13:03.409 --> 00:13:07.370impact. It did you at thattime it did. I mean, I18600:13:07.529 --> 00:13:11.409don't remember exactly what Y'all said,but I do remember because, you know,18700:13:11.529 --> 00:13:15.360my beliefs are same age your beliefs. I don't believe in abortion.18800:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.360I believe it's against what God wantsyou to do. I feel like he18900:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.759gave you this baby for a reason. Yeah, you know, I've always19000:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.720said that. I said that,you know, to my friends. Right.19100:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.870I've had friend recently. I saidthe same thing to her and changed19200:13:28.909 --> 00:13:33.110her heart. She turned and choselife. So you're kind of paying it19300:13:33.269 --> 00:13:35.909forward what happened with you. Yeah, so it's just, you know,19400:13:37.990 --> 00:13:45.700just them bringing up, you know, versus and God and all that over19500:13:45.860 --> 00:13:50.460the microphone kind of just it justbrought it all back out. Yeah,19600:13:50.700 --> 00:13:54.139and I was just like, youknow, this is such an important point,19700:13:54.139 --> 00:13:56.929I think, because I would saymost of the women that come to19800:13:56.970 --> 00:14:01.049an abortion center, at least herein the south, say that they know19900:14:01.250 --> 00:14:07.169the Lord, but and and that'salways you know, it's like you know20000:14:07.330 --> 00:14:16.679the Lord, but you're here andyet you you understand that. You understand20100:14:16.919 --> 00:14:24.110you can love the Lord and beso focused on the struggle that you lose20200:14:24.230 --> 00:14:31.110sight of God for at least forthat moments of panic. And so how20300:14:31.149 --> 00:14:37.820would you deal with someone like youthat comes and and and knows good but20400:14:37.980 --> 00:14:43.220you're feeling this desperation? What arethe things that you now, having gone20500:14:43.259 --> 00:14:46.299through this? What are the sortsof things that you would have wanted or20600:14:46.340 --> 00:14:52.730you would want to say to them? I don't know, I guess you20700:14:52.850 --> 00:14:58.049know there are you have all theseoptions. You know, you don't have20800:14:58.210 --> 00:15:05.450to go the way that the devil'spushing you to go. You know,20900:15:05.769 --> 00:15:09.919there's if you can't take care ofbaby, there's people out there that will,21000:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.879will love to have your baby oryou know, they give you all21100:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.600these resources so that you know youcan find a way to be able to21200:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.309do everything on your own. Andthen I would bring them into my situation21300:15:22.389 --> 00:15:28.710and tell them, you know,how my life ended up being and you21400:15:28.830 --> 00:15:33.269know, hopefully that would change theirmind because I mean, yeah, yeah,21500:15:33.429 --> 00:15:35.700Lord is done. There in certainlya lot in your life. Just21600:15:37.019 --> 00:15:39.500the little bits that I've heard,even from Vicky, and you shoot your21700:15:39.539 --> 00:15:45.500testimony before a couple of thousand peopleare more would love life several weeks ago,21800:15:45.539 --> 00:15:50.210and that was really a powerful,powerful testimony. So you eventually came21900:15:50.289 --> 00:15:54.009out again, out of the abortioncenter and ended up going on board the22000:15:54.049 --> 00:16:00.129Mobile Ultra saying ultrasound unit. Sharesort of the the you may not remember,22100:16:00.210 --> 00:16:02.690certainly I don't think you probably wouldremember all the details, but what22200:16:02.850 --> 00:16:07.200was that experience like going on themobile ultrasound unit and just ultimately seeing your22300:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.279baby? If you don't mind toshare a little bit of that experience?22400:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.720Well, you know, of courseI went on there and they gave me22500:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.039the ultrasound. I could see him, you know, for a while.22600:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.830We're at that time I was probablyabout six weeks. Okay, yeah,22700:16:19.830 --> 00:16:23.190so you've something like that. Maybefive or six weeks APP beating heart.22800:16:23.269 --> 00:16:27.950Yeah, we seen the heartbeat andeverything. So even though I was,22900:16:29.590 --> 00:16:33.059you know, only five or sixweeks. Yeah, you know, hurt23000:16:33.100 --> 00:16:37.580his heart seeing it's hard everything.They printed off a bunch of pictures.23100:16:37.620 --> 00:16:40.820I still have those pictures. Well, and gave them to me. And23200:16:41.580 --> 00:16:45.500do you remember the first time?It's cold. May Be a weird question,23300:16:45.539 --> 00:16:48.809I don't know, but the firsttime you saw his heart beatings,23400:16:48.850 --> 00:16:52.649you remember sort of the the impactof that? It just it kind of23500:16:52.250 --> 00:16:56.090it broke my heart and away knowingwhat I was about to do. HMM,23600:16:56.450 --> 00:17:00.519and you know, once I seenthat heartbeat, I just I knew.23700:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.319I was like, I'm doing theright thing by not going through with23800:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.599it. Yeah, that was theturning point done for you really was seeing23900:17:07.680 --> 00:17:12.240that beating hard. Yeah, yeah, and got so good. Sort of,24000:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.640and I don't say that to toutour horn. You know, we're24100:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.309out there by God's grace, butand of course it's his his spirits sort24200:17:18.349 --> 00:17:21.589of working on your heart and allof that, but it's just the lord24300:17:22.309 --> 00:17:25.269sort of puts things in our way, not sort of definitely puts things in24400:17:25.390 --> 00:17:29.390our in our path to get usto turn to him and to do the24500:17:29.430 --> 00:17:33.059right thing. And and that's ultimatelywhat what you did by His grace.24600:17:33.220 --> 00:17:37.019You remember after that point on themobile unit, if you had sort of24700:17:37.059 --> 00:17:41.900any any experience of like, youknow, Vicky counseling with you and sort24800:17:41.900 --> 00:17:47.450of walking you through sort of someof the resources and stuff like that,24900:17:47.730 --> 00:17:51.769you remember that. I remember Vickysee me down. You know, we25000:17:51.930 --> 00:17:57.009discussed my situation, her and Sherryboth, and we were talking about,25100:17:57.329 --> 00:18:03.160you know, what my options wereand you know that they would be here25200:18:03.240 --> 00:18:08.359for me. They had counselors thatwould stay with me. Were you and25300:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.319doing your at that point of losingyour job, because I do know shortly25400:18:11.950 --> 00:18:17.950wasn't and I know that we counseledand talked about and you did a great25500:18:17.990 --> 00:18:21.549job on your own, but Iknow that we were involved in some parts25600:18:21.630 --> 00:18:25.150and saying, Hey, this isillegal, they can't. They weren't moving25700:18:25.190 --> 00:18:30.420you, they weren't moving you toa place where you could work safely being25800:18:30.579 --> 00:18:34.180pregnant. Correct right, my passAnta was abrupted. This is before,25900:18:34.500 --> 00:18:37.779you know, I had you know, the doctor fixed it and everything,26000:18:38.019 --> 00:18:45.769but when I passent abrupt died.I was working at a job, a26100:18:45.890 --> 00:18:52.089car, car manufacture, right right, and I was having a lift heavy26200:18:52.170 --> 00:18:55.839boxes and kind of do strain youas thing, and they knew you were26300:18:55.880 --> 00:18:57.480pregnant. They knew I was rightened. Right, okay, they knew I26400:18:57.559 --> 00:19:02.240was pregnant. I went up tothem. I was already trained in another26500:19:02.279 --> 00:19:06.720section that was not hard, yeah, and I had asked them if I26600:19:06.759 --> 00:19:11.509could just be moved over there andthey refuse to move me over there.26700:19:11.430 --> 00:19:15.670And so and I had been crampingand I was kind of worried. So26800:19:15.869 --> 00:19:19.390I was like, you know,I can't keep doing this because something bad26900:19:19.509 --> 00:19:25.420is going to happen. Right,this happened Cup maybe a week or two27000:19:25.500 --> 00:19:27.900after I came up here, right, because I recall that you called and27100:19:29.259 --> 00:19:33.619and you're like, what do Ido? Yeah, and and now I27200:19:33.700 --> 00:19:37.299don't quite remember if you fought itlegally, but we certainly gave you resources27300:19:37.339 --> 00:19:41.970saying, yes, they can't dothis, this is illegal. They cannot27400:19:41.049 --> 00:19:45.970fire you for for being pregnant.That's against the law. You gave me27500:19:45.089 --> 00:19:49.369resources, you told me get intouch with the EOC, right, and27600:19:49.809 --> 00:19:55.799so I did end up going andgoing through with all that. It is27700:19:55.960 --> 00:20:04.920considered sexual harassment. Right. Sowhenever they when you're pregnant and they don't27800:20:06.079 --> 00:20:15.710move you to a part to wherephysically you can work, that that's illegal.27900:20:15.869 --> 00:20:18.509Right. So, which is soimportant because, I will say there28000:20:18.549 --> 00:20:22.579are a huge number of women whocome here who find themselves pregnant. They're28100:20:22.579 --> 00:20:25.740working, they must work, theyneed that income, and they say,28200:20:25.779 --> 00:20:29.259I'll be fired. I've been toldI'll be fired. Well, that's illegal,28300:20:29.700 --> 00:20:30.740and so it's good to know about. Yes, so you fought it.28400:20:30.980 --> 00:20:36.130I didn't fought it, and andone. So, and then there28500:20:36.250 --> 00:20:38.250was the baby shower. I'm surethat was offered. Yes, yes,28600:20:38.289 --> 00:20:42.970y'all came and y'all. Sherry droveabout two hours, I think, and28700:20:44.490 --> 00:20:48.849drove to my mom's house and broughtme so much stuff I didn't have to28800:20:48.930 --> 00:20:52.319get anything for him at all.Like that was a blessing. That was28900:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.720through truth and mercy pro life ministrieswith Caryl Chandler. She supplied the things29000:20:56.759 --> 00:21:02.480and then you could not come outhere. So Sherry, the nurse drove,29100:21:02.759 --> 00:21:04.910drove and brought you all of thosethose things. And was that helpful?29200:21:06.069 --> 00:21:08.470Oh, it was very, veryhelpful, very helpful. Yeah,29300:21:10.990 --> 00:21:15.670so you're just kind of talking throughthe different resources and connections that right there29400:21:15.750 --> 00:21:18.299you were able to make with her. Yeah, and so, you know,29500:21:18.539 --> 00:21:22.140maybe I'm jumping ahead, I don'tknow, but after that point,29600:21:22.500 --> 00:21:26.259you know, you saw Gabriel's atthat time. You got knew his name,29700:21:26.339 --> 00:21:30.019but maybe you hadn't had named himyet. He saw his heartbeat pretty29800:21:30.019 --> 00:21:33.890quickly, didn't you? Yeah,what is do date? He was do29900:21:33.089 --> 00:21:38.210on Christmas Day. Okay, theytold me in the ultrasound that his okay,30000:21:38.250 --> 00:21:41.009dude, it was Christmas Day andeven when I went to the doctor30100:21:41.130 --> 00:21:44.529it was saying Christmas Day and Iwas like, well, you know what,30200:21:44.609 --> 00:21:47.799I want to name him something.You know that has to do with30300:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.799the Bible or Christmas, because he'sdoing Christmas. So I named him Gabriel.30400:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.720was a kind of like a anaffirmation from God. When you when30500:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.960you heard Christmas Day, I rememberus. I'll just saying, oh,30600:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.990only God. Yeah, yeah,so you UN it, you saw his30700:22:04.109 --> 00:22:07.990heartbeat. You the lord sort of, I guess, solidified your decision to30800:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.069for life rather than abortion. Youheard about the resources and all of that30900:22:12.190 --> 00:22:18.900stuff. was there a point whereyou felt that a burden had sort of31000:22:18.980 --> 00:22:22.619been lifted from your shoulders? Likethis, you know, Hu can breathe31100:22:22.660 --> 00:22:25.740again now. Is there a pointof that? Yes, yes, I31200:22:25.859 --> 00:22:29.019mean, you know, going backhome, still having a deal with that31300:22:29.180 --> 00:22:32.730stuff. Of course, you knowthat burden was still there. Yeah,31400:22:33.009 --> 00:22:37.769but the you know, the resourcesthat you guys had gave me help me31500:22:37.009 --> 00:22:41.410get out of that. Yeah,you know, before I even left,31600:22:41.450 --> 00:22:45.440Y'all had gave me, I think, two or three bags full of maternity31700:22:45.480 --> 00:22:52.400clothes and sure your youngest was thenfive, something like that. He was31800:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.000one hit there, eighteen months apart. Oh, that's all? Yeah,31900:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.269well, God, only eighteen monthsapart. So he was still young to32000:22:59.509 --> 00:23:02.950and you got, I think y'allgave me some like gender neutral clothes to32100:23:03.829 --> 00:23:07.910so to help out, you know, with that. But yeah, Y'all32200:23:08.269 --> 00:23:14.980help me so much and I endedup being able to I think you helped32300:23:15.059 --> 00:23:19.140me find a lawyer that was apro bono lawyer for domestic violence. I32400:23:19.259 --> 00:23:25.019ended up getting a expart a okay, and guess at that point you really32500:23:25.059 --> 00:23:27.730weren't sure. How do I getout of this? I know it's dangerous,32600:23:27.849 --> 00:23:32.490I know it's damaging, but Ihave no money to help and it32700:23:32.609 --> 00:23:36.609again, with the magic of Google, we found yeah, we found resources32800:23:36.809 --> 00:23:38.130to help you and they did helpyou. Yes, yes, she was32900:23:38.170 --> 00:23:42.240able to get that granted for me, and so I ended up with the33000:23:42.519 --> 00:23:48.000restraint in order and it may nothave worked for a couple years, but33100:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.160yeah, I mean I ended upmoving back on my parents to get him33200:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.990to stay away, but yeah,it was just I mean that's kind of33300:23:56.029 --> 00:24:00.910the point you're making here in thepoint, I mean folks should be hearing33400:24:00.109 --> 00:24:04.910is that even when a mom chooseslife in such a sort of drastic way33500:24:04.910 --> 00:24:10.660at an abortion clinic, it doesn'tmean the situation that seems like abortion was33600:24:10.740 --> 00:24:14.099a good option for her just goesaway. It's like you chose life on33700:24:14.140 --> 00:24:17.700that mobile, just how you sawyour baby's heartbeat. But your situation was33800:24:17.819 --> 00:24:21.220still there, there was still thestuff going on and you still had to33900:24:21.259 --> 00:24:26.730kind of go back into that hmmwhere there's some things said by either Vicky34000:24:26.849 --> 00:24:30.609or the nerves or even the lordin your heart that helped you. The34100:24:30.690 --> 00:24:36.529help comfort you and helped you fightthat battle back at home. Just knowing34200:24:37.210 --> 00:24:41.839the resources that you guys gave meand, you know, knowing that I34300:24:41.039 --> 00:24:47.359had people there to help me andhelp guide me in the direction that I34400:24:47.480 --> 00:24:52.759needed to go to be able to, you know, get through all that.34500:24:52.839 --> 00:24:57.829That helped me a whole lot.Yeah, and feel all alone.34600:24:57.869 --> 00:25:02.950I didn't feel alone anymore because atthat time I was extremely alone, like34700:25:03.150 --> 00:25:06.309nobody was in my corner at all. Right, yeah, you know,34800:25:06.430 --> 00:25:07.500can be a tough situation. Itcan, and it you know, it's34900:25:07.539 --> 00:25:11.779overwhelming to a councilor to I think, when when there's someone with the host35000:25:11.940 --> 00:25:17.539of really severe issues that that youcame with, and I think so many35100:25:17.539 --> 00:25:22.849people in the pro life movement canbe overwhelmed and can say what can we35200:25:22.930 --> 00:25:26.210do? How can we help this? And we're nobody. You didn't know35300:25:26.369 --> 00:25:30.009how to help either. But weknew that God is a mighty God.35400:25:30.529 --> 00:25:34.609You had just made this amazing choicein the midst of your circumstances had not35500:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.799yet changed. But we know thatGod will provide a way. And and35600:25:38.200 --> 00:25:42.400you know, there's just there's anetwork. Everybody has a network of friends35700:25:42.440 --> 00:25:48.359and people and Google that you canyou can call a fer if the Google35800:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.029company would be happy with the factthat we're using their their search engine to35900:25:52.150 --> 00:25:55.950help women seuse life or that.But it was more that you knew there36000:25:56.029 --> 00:25:57.869was someone in your corner. Ilike how you said that there was someone36100:25:57.910 --> 00:26:04.859else fighting for you so that youweren't all alone. Yeah, that's pretty36200:26:04.859 --> 00:26:08.259amazing again, how the Lord cancan bring those things about. You know,36300:26:08.380 --> 00:26:12.099I'm amazed sometimes by, you know, as a ministry, as we36400:26:12.220 --> 00:26:17.779encounter situations like yours and other situations, of the stuff that the lord sort36500:26:17.819 --> 00:26:22.410of puts on our lap and theorganizations that we end up connecting with to36600:26:22.809 --> 00:26:25.890meet needs that were like, well, I didn't even know this organization existed.36700:26:26.450 --> 00:26:29.730And you know, I think forexample of organizations doesn't have to do36800:26:29.809 --> 00:26:33.880with your story, but with theMOM, couple of MOMS we've encountered that36900:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.319our drug addicted that are pregnant.It's like this amazing organizations were opened up37000:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.680that has a maternity home for drugaddicted women. It's like, who knew,37100:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.880you know, and then we,I think Google helped us, found37200:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.910that right. That again, itwas another thing and I think that is37300:26:49.029 --> 00:26:52.990just such an important message to anyonewho. You probably encountered it with the37400:26:53.029 --> 00:26:56.630friend that you talked into, youknow, choose life, and then you're37500:26:56.670 --> 00:27:00.619like, but now what? Yeah, but but now what? Is Now?37600:27:00.779 --> 00:27:06.339God, and and trust that thereis a way. When you make37700:27:06.380 --> 00:27:10.500a choice for life, God willmake a way. Yeah, well,37800:27:10.539 --> 00:27:11.900let's talk a little bit more aboutit. You've shared some of that.37900:27:11.980 --> 00:27:15.730I mean, like a lawyer,that was that you helped her connected with38000:27:15.730 --> 00:27:19.289the lawyers. Are Right, it'spretty pretty amazing. And trying to handle38100:27:19.329 --> 00:27:23.730that situation, which in itself isa difficult situation, where you scratch your38200:27:23.769 --> 00:27:26.289head and like, okay, howdo you deal with this? Thank God38300:27:26.329 --> 00:27:30.680that situation was dealt with, butthere other stuff going on. You already38400:27:30.720 --> 00:27:37.799mentioned the job situation with have thatsituation paying out. Well, I ended38500:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.079up losing my God, yeah,so that I ended up taking them the38600:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.230core or the EOC did because ofit being, you know, it's illegal38700:27:47.269 --> 00:27:52.509what they were doing. Yeah,I ended up, it's about a year38800:27:52.549 --> 00:27:56.150later, they end up hiring meback. Okay, so I ended up38900:27:56.190 --> 00:27:57.549getting that job back at the sameplace. They just put me in a39000:27:57.579 --> 00:28:03.539different department and they ended up,I want, my lawsuit with them and39100:28:03.579 --> 00:28:08.180everything else. So that kind ofhelped build everything back up and, you39200:28:08.299 --> 00:28:14.410know, it kind of made thingsbetter. Yeah, but you know,39300:28:14.490 --> 00:28:18.730it was a good paying job.I was able to, you know,39400:28:18.890 --> 00:28:22.369get on my own with my kidsand everything, and I met my now39500:28:22.450 --> 00:28:26.440husband there. He's my trainer.Oh really, how that's that's a fairy39600:28:26.839 --> 00:28:33.799story then, then, because youcome out of such a really horrific relationship39700:28:33.039 --> 00:28:38.640and kids that you love and andand then you meet the love of your39800:28:38.680 --> 00:28:45.910life and so God kind of openeda whole bunch of doors for you following39900:28:45.029 --> 00:28:48.950that choice for life. He did. Yeah, now with all a better40000:28:48.950 --> 00:28:52.670roses along the way. Right now, it wasn't. But you know,40100:28:53.230 --> 00:29:00.180once you know, it took mea good I would say two years,40200:29:00.579 --> 00:29:04.059because Gabriel, I think, waslike too maybe when he came in the40300:29:04.099 --> 00:29:08.019picture. So he's about turn forso, yeah, it took about two40400:29:08.019 --> 00:29:15.210years for it to finally level itselfout kind of. But you know,40500:29:15.970 --> 00:29:19.809finally after that third year, everythingis way better. Yeah, much better.40600:29:21.089 --> 00:29:23.130Bear in what I could have everimagined. Yeah, he is a40700:29:23.170 --> 00:29:27.160scripture that comes to mind for me. Jesus said in this world you will40800:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.839have tribulation. So this like,okay, you're going to have stuff going40900:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.279on, but he says, buttake joy, for I have overcome the41000:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.400world. And that scripture, ofcourse, is you know, he's talking41100:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.549to his disciples and he's saying,Hey, you guys are going to be41200:29:40.990 --> 00:29:42.349really persecuted and you're going to peopleare going to mess with you, it's41300:29:42.349 --> 00:29:45.869going to be life's not gonna beeasy for you, but I've overcome the41400:29:45.910 --> 00:29:48.029world, and that certainly can applyto us. Going to part of your41500:29:48.069 --> 00:29:52.109situations, like you're going to havetribulation, there's me stuff in a following41600:29:52.109 --> 00:29:55.660world. That happens, but takejoy, I've overcome the world. And41700:29:55.819 --> 00:30:00.779really clinging to him, clinging tothe promises of God, is what helps41800:30:00.859 --> 00:30:03.579us in him to overcome the world. Can you talk a little bit about41900:30:03.859 --> 00:30:07.930how sort of maybe I could bemaking an assumption, I don't know,42000:30:07.369 --> 00:30:12.450but your walk with the Lord hadhad sort of been set in a better42100:30:12.490 --> 00:30:15.410direction since you had chosen life.You took a little bit about that.42200:30:15.730 --> 00:30:18.730Now I did start going back tochurch more. Okay, I'm at that42300:30:18.809 --> 00:30:22.680point, because I wasn't going tochurch as much. Yeah, I was42400:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.359just overwhelmed with that job I had. It was just it. I was42500:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.319working all the time. But soI started going back to church and everything,42600:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.240and it was like as soon asI started going back to church and,42700:30:36.470 --> 00:30:41.349you know, started making all thebetter decisions, that's when and everything42800:30:41.509 --> 00:30:45.470started coming together. So, youknow, I feel like by me bringing42900:30:45.630 --> 00:30:51.579that back into my life, youknow, things got better for me.43000:30:51.700 --> 00:30:56.059Yeah, which they're change from.I was just talking to someone today about43100:30:56.180 --> 00:30:59.940that, that there can be abelief in God, but that can be43200:31:00.099 --> 00:31:04.930different from following God and submitting alife to God. And what was that43300:31:06.410 --> 00:31:11.490something that you can relate to?Yes, yeah, and I mean it's43400:31:14.490 --> 00:31:19.400I don't want to get into likebefore all this, like before the kids43500:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.519and everything else, but I hada bad point in my time in my43600:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.839life, way before them, andyou know, I mean it was dark.43700:31:27.880 --> 00:31:32.440A lot of people can't get outof that. Yeah, you know,43800:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.589like with drug addictions. Yeah,you kind of got to, you43900:31:36.710 --> 00:31:40.589know, fight through it all and, you know, pray. I had44000:31:40.630 --> 00:31:44.190to move away to get away fromthe things I was being around and I44100:31:44.269 --> 00:31:48.539joined the army and got away fromit, and so it just, you44200:31:48.619 --> 00:31:52.940know, you kind of got aand when I was in basic I read44300:31:53.619 --> 00:31:56.380the Bible every single night. Thatwas the one thing we could have,44400:31:57.299 --> 00:32:00.809is we could have our bibles andI would read. I started at Genesis44500:32:01.009 --> 00:32:05.769and I read I can't remember.I think I stopped at Matthew, but44600:32:06.089 --> 00:32:10.170we I read every single day aand my book whiles and Basic Training and44700:32:10.250 --> 00:32:14.569aid and I feel like that's whatgot me through that, I feel like,44800:32:14.849 --> 00:32:17.880and I was the smallest person.So I feel like by me,44900:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.160you know, my faith would Godand all that has got me through so45000:32:23.400 --> 00:32:29.400much. Yeah, so, somuch, not just my past relationship with45100:32:29.559 --> 00:32:35.390the the kids and you know,it's just been from my whole life.45200:32:35.390 --> 00:32:40.230Yeah, right, yeah, sothe Lord's been there. Even when you45300:32:40.430 --> 00:32:44.700showed up at an abortion clinic,like the Lord was there. Hmm,45400:32:45.019 --> 00:32:50.420sounds like the Lord is everywhere.Yeah, it sounds like this darkest places45500:32:50.539 --> 00:32:53.500there is who corey ten boom?That said, there is no pit that45600:32:53.700 --> 00:32:59.289you can dig that God is notdeeper still. Yeah, you know that45700:32:59.450 --> 00:33:04.250he's there in our deepest, darkestplace and we do need to make the45800:33:04.369 --> 00:33:07.650choice to reach out to him.And I think that that's kind of what45900:33:07.769 --> 00:33:12.490happened when you walked out of thatabortion clinic. You said, okay,46000:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.839I'm going to trust you now.Yeah, I'm not just going to believe46100:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.839in you, I'm going to trust. Nothing's changed, nothing had changed.46200:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.160You were crying in the car.Nothing had changed, but you walked out46300:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.440of there and and trusted that Godwas going to make away, and he46400:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.509did. MMM, yeah, hedefinitely did. Yeah, now, I46500:33:30.549 --> 00:33:31.869don't want to put you on thespot with this question. You can say46600:33:31.910 --> 00:33:35.630I don't want to answer that questionbecause you know, I don't want to.46700:33:35.910 --> 00:33:37.789I don't people to have a badview of your parents or anything like46800:33:37.910 --> 00:33:40.500that, because there was a lotgoing on in their lives. There's a46900:33:40.579 --> 00:33:44.539lot going on in your life,but when you made that choice for life,47000:33:44.740 --> 00:33:46.819how difficult was it to sort ofbreak that news to your parents and47100:33:46.900 --> 00:33:51.940say, Hey, you know what, I'm keeping this baby and I'm going47200:33:51.980 --> 00:33:53.500to trust God and I'm going tomove forward with this thing? Was that?47300:33:53.660 --> 00:33:58.170was that a hard thing for themto swallow, and I mean they47400:33:58.210 --> 00:34:01.009were a little disappointed at first.My parents, you know, they're Christians.47500:34:01.130 --> 00:34:05.529They didn't believe in it either,but they just were saying my situation47600:34:06.009 --> 00:34:09.000and you know what I was aboutto have to deal with and they knew47700:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.079who I was dealing with as well, so they didn't want to see me47800:34:14.360 --> 00:34:21.599any deeper into that situation than Ialready was. Yeah, but it when47900:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.590I got home, you know,I'm just I am the type of person,48000:34:24.789 --> 00:34:30.590though, that I don't let reallyanybody like that tell me, you48100:34:30.710 --> 00:34:34.989know, I have to do this. I've never been like that, you48200:34:35.070 --> 00:34:37.190know. I just went home andI was like, I can't, I48300:34:37.269 --> 00:34:38.980can't do it. Yeah, I'lljust I'll figure out what I can do.48400:34:39.539 --> 00:34:43.739You can be disappointed to me,I don't care. Yeah, it's48500:34:43.860 --> 00:34:47.980just something that I had to I'vealways I've been like that. But yeah,48600:34:49.460 --> 00:34:52.329sort of sort of hardheaded in agood way. Yeah, but now48700:34:52.409 --> 00:34:59.250they see the this wonderful, adorable, yeah, little boy that that I48800:34:59.449 --> 00:35:01.849know the rest of your children aDor, I'm sure, the grandparents a48900:35:01.969 --> 00:35:10.079door to. Yeah, and theJay Carl, yes, has completely embraced.49000:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.239He has father to all of yourchild Yes, he don't have any49100:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.960of his own. So he hastook all three of my kids in.49200:35:19.239 --> 00:35:23.190Like there he is, and it'sjust, you know, the first day49300:35:23.750 --> 00:35:27.869the boys met him, they literallyran up to him and I was like,49400:35:27.989 --> 00:35:31.909Daddy, yeah, I thought hewas going to run away, I49500:35:31.989 --> 00:35:35.469thought he was never gonna speaight tome. Yeah, but he just picked49600:35:35.510 --> 00:35:38.659them up and just from that pointon it was just he was dad either49700:35:38.780 --> 00:35:43.380them. Yeah, the first dayI met him. That's cool. That's49800:35:43.420 --> 00:35:47.460cool. So you so your parentsheart changed and that matter, they sort49900:35:47.539 --> 00:35:50.889of came around through the fact thatokay, she's going to do this and50000:35:50.969 --> 00:35:54.289they embrace that idea and they lovetheir their little grandson, and I'm sure50100:35:54.369 --> 00:35:59.489they give him candy and ice creamand all that. Oh, yes,50200:35:59.570 --> 00:36:01.449and then drop him off that.Yeah, that's right, full him up50300:36:01.449 --> 00:36:05.760with sugar and drive him off torun around the house. Yeah, so50400:36:06.440 --> 00:36:14.320you can really talk about how situationschange. Yes, and and to make50500:36:14.440 --> 00:36:19.389a decision when you're in the worstspot you've ever been, that is a50600:36:19.469 --> 00:36:23.389life or death decision, is maybenot a great time to be making that50700:36:23.550 --> 00:36:29.150decision, right, because things changed, and in your case they changed really50800:36:29.150 --> 00:36:32.340dramatically from where you were yes,three years ago. Yeah, yes,50900:36:32.739 --> 00:36:36.900you. One of the the wordsI like in these sort of scenarios is51000:36:37.019 --> 00:36:38.739sort of that word. It's ata word, or maybe it's two words.51100:36:38.860 --> 00:36:44.940Full Circle. It's come full circle. My beadcition there maybe DA hiphinated51200:36:44.980 --> 00:36:47.409words are one word, but yeah, full circling. And when, I51300:36:49.409 --> 00:36:53.570know when some of your story andno one you from, from your relationship51400:36:53.570 --> 00:36:59.690with Vicki and everything, seeing yousort of come full circle in the sense51500:36:59.769 --> 00:37:02.480that you've actually come to this abortionclinic and shared your testimony of how you51600:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.400chose life and even beyond that.Before that you helped a friend of yours51700:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.800that you worked with, I believe, so you worked with who was thinking51800:37:10.840 --> 00:37:15.909abortion. You help them to chooselife and even brought him here to have51900:37:15.309 --> 00:37:19.110a baby shower that we did herein the office, which was really a52000:37:19.150 --> 00:37:22.909blessing to us and hopefully it wasa blessing to her. But yeah,52100:37:22.909 --> 00:37:28.030I mean you've sort of come reallyfull circle here and now on the podcast52200:37:28.110 --> 00:37:30.340here, but also in front ofthe crowds of, you know, thousand52300:37:30.380 --> 00:37:35.340people or more and on the radiothat you didn't know about, your testimony52400:37:35.500 --> 00:37:39.380was shared. That's powerful. Sharea little bit about, if you don't52500:37:39.380 --> 00:37:43.619mind, your feelings in coming hereagain. That that was. was that52600:37:43.699 --> 00:37:46.530your first time ever coming back?It was this this latrobe drive. It52700:37:46.809 --> 00:37:51.690was furt. When I pulled in, I just I got emotional right off52800:37:51.769 --> 00:37:53.369the bat. I got out ofthe car and seeing Vicky and I just52900:37:54.329 --> 00:37:58.920and I helped her again and shecried again. Yeah, I lost it.53000:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.519Yeah, I just just coming uphere does brought all those memories back.53100:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.719Yeah, and it just kind oftore me up inside that I had53200:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.440even thought about that. Yeah,season. Yeah, well, you nervous.53300:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.670I was very nervous. Yeah,it's ready to pass out, but53400:38:15.949 --> 00:38:20.590in Beninese, and she didn't takebreath to put my arms around her butt.53500:38:21.030 --> 00:38:24.389So, which makes it all themore remarkable, because you were terrified.53600:38:24.670 --> 00:38:30.059Never done anything like that. Whatcompelled you to get in front of53700:38:30.139 --> 00:38:36.659those two thousand people and speak?Just hoping that I can reach somebody who's53800:38:36.780 --> 00:38:39.139in my type of situation or inthe situation I used to be in.53900:38:39.860 --> 00:38:44.530I just I wanted, you know, that to kind of help somebody in54000:38:44.610 --> 00:38:46.570that situation if they were able tohear it. Yeah, so, like54100:38:46.969 --> 00:38:51.769I you know, I just wantedit to you know, yeah, help54200:38:52.050 --> 00:38:54.920somebody. Yeah, and we knowit did and that that testimony was shared54300:38:54.920 --> 00:39:01.159all over the Internet because I sharedit other people. But you also,54400:39:01.320 --> 00:39:07.679as we're leaving the speech, whichis just so moving and wonderful, you54500:39:07.960 --> 00:39:16.989saw pro choice people mmm in theirvast and saying pro choice. And what54600:39:17.190 --> 00:39:22.349happened with them went when in yourin your heart, as you're looking at54700:39:22.590 --> 00:39:25.820them, who are actively trying toprevent us from giving the information, and54800:39:27.300 --> 00:39:32.059that allowed and helped you to makea choice for that precious life. Well,54900:39:32.099 --> 00:39:37.219Vicky said, it was okay,okay, because I walked up to55000:39:37.300 --> 00:39:40.489them and, you know, toldthem, you know, a little bit55100:39:40.530 --> 00:39:45.170of my story and told them thatif they had been there the day that55200:39:45.289 --> 00:39:49.489I came, my son may notbe here. And they are like,55300:39:49.690 --> 00:39:52.119well, that was your choice,and I was like, yes, that55400:39:52.400 --> 00:39:58.320was my choice. Or what aboutmy baby's choice? Yeah, and they55500:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.320turn their backs on me. Theycompletely just shut me off. There was55600:40:01.480 --> 00:40:07.429one girl who had her face completelycovered with a sign the whole time.55700:40:07.510 --> 00:40:10.710She wouldn't even let us look ather face. Yeah, and I didn't55800:40:10.710 --> 00:40:14.469even realize that to I started lookingat pictures, I'm like, I remember,55900:40:14.510 --> 00:40:16.269she didn't even let us see herface. Yeah, it's like she's56000:40:16.309 --> 00:40:22.179almost kind of what is that word? I'm looking a shame, a shame56100:40:22.659 --> 00:40:24.780to even be out there. Yeah, well, it could be because,56200:40:24.820 --> 00:40:28.300you know, a lot of timeswhen we, you know, we could56300:40:28.300 --> 00:40:31.460do it as prolifers, we canview this issue as sort of just political56400:40:32.340 --> 00:40:38.130and in disconnect it from human beings, disconnected from real life. I think56500:40:38.170 --> 00:40:42.130it can happen again on pro lifeside of thinking, captain, certainly on56600:40:42.210 --> 00:40:46.449the pro choice side, and wheneveryour face to face with the reality of56700:40:46.650 --> 00:40:52.559the choice or the the opposite ofthat choice, and your face to face56800:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.320with a woman who had almost thatchoice who's saying to you that, if56900:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.639you would have been here and andtry to prevent these people from talking to57000:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.429me, which is what they're that'stheir goal out here. Yeah, then57100:41:04.510 --> 00:41:07.590I quite possibly would not have myson, who's a blessing, and rather57200:41:07.710 --> 00:41:12.750than process, process that and rethinktheir their persuasion. Maybe some of them57300:41:12.789 --> 00:41:15.949did, hopefully they did. Theyjust sort of turn their back on you57400:41:15.030 --> 00:41:21.059and they couldn't answer my question.Yet all they they just couldn't answer.57500:41:21.219 --> 00:41:22.980Just turn their backs. Yeah,now, these are the folks that oftentimes57600:41:23.019 --> 00:41:28.699tell themselves as the most open mindedand and the most willing to listen to57700:41:28.860 --> 00:41:31.539everyone and anybody. And it seemsthat that wasn't the case, at least57800:41:31.579 --> 00:41:35.769that day, where and you knowthings. That's a pro choice, but57900:41:35.809 --> 00:41:42.289you, they're not trying to tellthem, but you're blocking the choice that58000:41:42.449 --> 00:41:46.090saved my baby. You're blocking thechoice for life. You guys give more58100:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.400choices than they ever would. Theyonly do one choice. That's not a58200:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.800choice. They're pro abortion. That'sall they are. They're not pro choice.58300:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.719If they were pro choice, theywould be given choices to these women,58400:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.909right, not pushing them to thatabortion clinic. Yeah, because,58500:42:02.469 --> 00:42:07.670you know, you guys are giventhe choices and the options to help them58600:42:07.869 --> 00:42:15.269be able to keep their baby insteadof, yeah, throwing parties and doing58700:42:15.349 --> 00:42:17.980everything that they do over there.But now they say that all the women,58800:42:19.059 --> 00:42:21.699they tell us so well, allthe women that come there, their58900:42:21.739 --> 00:42:25.900mind just made up. was thattrue for you over there? Yeah,59000:42:25.980 --> 00:42:30.250it was not made up. Iwas still in, you know, this59100:42:30.570 --> 00:42:36.929whole guess cloud. Yeah, itis what you can say. It was59200:42:37.010 --> 00:42:39.889because I didn't really I didn't wantto be there. I didn't want to59300:42:39.889 --> 00:42:45.199be there at all, and I'msure every woman who goes there probably feels59400:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.880the same way just about. Imean, you know, you may have59500:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.760some that just yeah, I'm goingto ask you a question that I think59600:42:53.800 --> 00:42:58.239it's going to be real important andmaybe a heavy question, maybe not,59700:42:59.710 --> 00:43:01.789and it, you know, helps, hopefully it will help other people who59800:43:01.789 --> 00:43:07.630are thinking about get involved at anabortion clinic sort of spur them to action.59900:43:08.269 --> 00:43:12.940Do you think that if there wereno prolife people on the sidewalk in60000:43:13.019 --> 00:43:15.099front of that, the treble abortioncenter, when you arrived, that you60100:43:15.179 --> 00:43:22.059would have quite possibly gone through withthat abortion? I may have, just60200:43:22.300 --> 00:43:24.579because I just I didn't know whatelse to do. I don't know I60300:43:24.699 --> 00:43:28.690had options. Yeah, you know, I didn't know I was going to60400:43:28.809 --> 00:43:31.170have, you know, the thingsthat you guys offered me. I didn't60500:43:31.210 --> 00:43:37.090know that I was able to docertain things to be able to get where60600:43:37.090 --> 00:43:39.570I needed to go to be ableto take care of my kids. Yeah,60700:43:39.809 --> 00:43:44.639so if you guys hadn't been there, I probably would have. Yeah,60800:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.760and that's the sad reality. Youknow, all over the country,60900:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.239I mean there's, you know,don't how many. I think there's seven61000:43:51.239 --> 00:43:55.309hundred and something abortion clinics across thecountry and some of those there's nobody there61100:43:55.590 --> 00:44:00.309to reach out. And you know, they're even abortion clinics in the city61200:44:00.349 --> 00:44:04.190of Charlotte. There's four of themnow in the city. Charlotte's latrobe is61300:44:04.230 --> 00:44:07.309still the most visited abortion clinic.That does more abortions than the probably all61400:44:07.349 --> 00:44:14.099of them combined, but there aretimes that there aren't any people there those61500:44:14.139 --> 00:44:17.179other abortion clinics. Thankfully we havesomebody here every day, but that's sort61600:44:17.219 --> 00:44:22.099of one of our goals for nextyear is to have folks out here at61700:44:22.139 --> 00:44:24.449the abortion clinics, every abortion clinicevery day that they're open that they're doing61800:44:24.489 --> 00:44:29.690abortions. I think it should bea goal for every church and personally to61900:44:29.809 --> 00:44:32.050have a pro life ministry that reachesout of their abortion clinic and can be62000:44:32.170 --> 00:44:36.570a voice for those babies in avoice to the women that show up,62100:44:36.769 --> 00:44:39.559because, you know, this isnot just about saving babies, this is62200:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.639about proclaiming the Gospel and it's aboutrescuing women who are going in and rescuing62300:44:45.719 --> 00:44:52.070families who are destroyed by abortion.Portions. Such a such a ravenous thing,62400:44:52.349 --> 00:44:57.590just destroys lives, it destroys families, of destroys hearts and you know,62500:44:57.630 --> 00:44:59.710it's our job, of those whoare called to love our neighbor as62600:44:59.750 --> 00:45:04.030ourselves, to do what we canto help stop abortion and help persuade people62700:45:04.030 --> 00:45:07.219to choose life. Yeah, yeah, there is a woman. Just today,62800:45:07.260 --> 00:45:10.699as I pulled up and I wasleaving our office and walk into the62900:45:10.739 --> 00:45:15.019abortion center, there's a woman,another one of our councilors has had stopped63000:45:15.059 --> 00:45:17.780and spoken to, who chose life, I. Who told her she was63100:45:17.980 --> 00:45:23.610praying that God would just put someonein her path because she, like you,63200:45:23.809 --> 00:45:27.329she did not want to do it, not deep in her heart,63300:45:27.369 --> 00:45:32.610but she was desperate. They're desperateand and so praise God that there were63400:45:32.690 --> 00:45:37.360people standing there that could tell themyou don't have to do this, there63500:45:37.400 --> 00:45:42.960are options. Yeah, well,you know, as we wrap up here,63600:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.119I want to give you an opportunityif if you want to take the63700:45:45.199 --> 00:45:50.429opportunity. If you had and sheasked earlier, but I'm going to ask63800:45:50.469 --> 00:45:52.590again because I think it's cool toask you again if you had the opportunity,63900:45:52.590 --> 00:45:57.590and you did, to speak withan abortion minded friend or, you64000:45:57.750 --> 00:46:01.429know, family member or whatever,what are some of the things that you64100:46:01.469 --> 00:46:05.860would say to them to help persuadethem not to get there with an abortion.64200:46:07.579 --> 00:46:09.539You know, I'd bring up mystory. Yeah, you know St64300:46:09.739 --> 00:46:15.579Yeah, everything I went through.You know, I know everybody's different,64400:46:16.500 --> 00:46:24.369but just the fact that by mechoosing life, my life has turned around64500:46:24.849 --> 00:46:30.170so much. I now have aman who takes care of my kids like64600:46:30.730 --> 00:46:34.159as if they were his own.You know, we just bought our first64700:46:34.320 --> 00:46:42.679house. You know, everything hascompletely changed and I feel like by me64800:46:44.320 --> 00:46:49.909doing all that that it pushed mein that direction and I feel like it64900:46:49.989 --> 00:46:53.469would do that for other people aswell. Yeah, if you just try65000:46:53.590 --> 00:46:57.909to fight through it all, Iknow it's hard, because it's very hard.65100:46:57.909 --> 00:47:01.579Yeah, very hard having to dealwith all that, but if you65200:47:02.019 --> 00:47:06.699can just try to fight through itjust for a little bit, you know65300:47:06.820 --> 00:47:09.739it's going to end up better inthe Lauren. You know, God never65400:47:09.900 --> 00:47:16.210gives you more than you can handle. Yeah, so it always will end65500:47:16.289 --> 00:47:21.449up in the direction that it's meantto be and you're going to end up65600:47:22.130 --> 00:47:27.690in a better situation. Yeah,you quoted a scripture at the end of65700:47:27.809 --> 00:47:32.280your speech. Was that lean noton your own understanding in all your ways,65800:47:32.360 --> 00:47:37.880to acknowledge him and he will directyour past. It's my favorites.65900:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.239Yeah, yeah, that's one ofmy favorites and he did that for you.66000:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.000Didn't hate it, you. Yeah, that's why I chose that verse.66100:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.750Yeah, it's a Lord. Well, Jamie, thank you for coming66200:47:46.789 --> 00:47:51.110and chaering your good ways away fromhere. It's like two hours for you66300:47:51.190 --> 00:47:53.590to get here something. Yeah,and so we really appreciate it. I66400:47:53.750 --> 00:47:58.150know the folks that are going tolisten to this podcast are going to appreciate66500:47:58.150 --> 00:48:00.539it. I appreciated this personal justhearing your stories, hear what God has66600:48:00.579 --> 00:48:04.019done. It's such an encouragement tome, such a blessing to me.66700:48:05.179 --> 00:48:08.420I do want to encourage those whoare listening to the podcast to go on66800:48:08.500 --> 00:48:13.489our website and connect with us.CHARLOTTE DOT cities. Life Dot Org is66900:48:13.570 --> 00:48:15.849our website, and also we dohave, as I'd mentioned, people getting67000:48:15.849 --> 00:48:19.809involved in sidewalk counseling, being apresence of the abortion clinics. We have67100:48:19.849 --> 00:48:23.690a website that's designed to help youto do that. WWW dot sidewalks,67200:48:23.730 --> 00:48:29.800the number for for lifecom, andthat'll train and equip you and help equip67300:48:29.840 --> 00:48:35.119you to get involved in sidewalk counseling. If you if you want to connect67400:48:35.159 --> 00:48:38.039with me personally, you can getin connect with me through my email address67500:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.989the parks at cities for lifecom andVicki vcassey Org at cities for lifecom.67600:48:44.030 --> 00:48:46.070We'd love to hear from you.Would love to get some feedback from you67700:48:46.269 --> 00:48:51.349on this podcast or other podcast.We'd love to hear from you some suggestions67800:48:51.389 --> 00:48:54.510of other podcasts. Hopefully we'll havesome other moms like Jamie who have chosen67900:48:54.550 --> 00:48:59.940life on the on a podcast,on an episode and share from their perspective.68000:49:00.699 --> 00:49:02.619But we were blessed to have heavyhere, Jamie, and we're blessed68100:49:02.659 --> 00:49:07.139for those who listen and pray thatyou're blessed as you as you continue to68200:49:07.139 --> 00:49:35.480seek the service the Lord use millgive me costly my life, but these68300:49:35.639 --> 00:49:36.639two precious