Dec. 4, 2019

Gleaning Wisdom From Pro-Life Pioneers Tim and Terri Palmquist

Gleaning Wisdom From Pro-Life Pioneers Tim and Terri Palmquist

The scripture has a lot to say about what we can and should learn from those who've gone before us. While Tim and Terri Palmquist have many years left in this fight for the unborn they have been in it for longer than some of us have been alive. We...


The scripture has a lot to say about what we can and should learn from those who've gone before us. While Tim and Terri Palmquist have many years left in this fight for the unborn they have been in it for longer than some of us have been alive. We believe you'll be blessed and encouraged as you listen to this interview with these Gospel-centered pro-life pioneers.

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.789 Lord, I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:11.070 --> 00:00:14.189 This episode we're going to do an interview with Tim and Terry Palm Quiz, 4 00:00:14.390 --> 00:00:17.429 Pro Life Pioneers. We've been in this battle for a long time and 5 00:00:17.510 --> 00:00:20.350 we're going to talk to them about how they got involved. Stick with us. 6 00:00:23.699 --> 00:00:32.460 I felt show passis touch your heart. All right. Well, welcome 7 00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:36.450 to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate all those who join. I 8 00:00:36.530 --> 00:00:41.450 had have with me today here Tim and Terry Palm Quist. All right, 9 00:00:42.409 --> 00:00:46.250 and these guys I just met them actually just on a hour and a half 10 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:50.640 or so ago. You'd reached out to me email. The email a couple 11 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.320 of days ago you guys are going to be in town and I thought, 12 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:57.719 Hey, man, I got these pro life pioneers in town here in Charlotte 13 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:02.159 and really wanted to take the opportunity to get you guys to share your story, 14 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.790 share where the Lord is kind of brought you guys from and where he's 15 00:01:04.790 --> 00:01:07.829 bringing you to share. Just you know, we get into some of the 16 00:01:07.870 --> 00:01:12.549 pro life history stuff. This this podcast just focused on bringing the Gospel and 17 00:01:12.909 --> 00:01:17.390 talking about the necessity of the Gospel and we're talking about the issue of abortion 18 00:01:17.510 --> 00:01:21.060 and I know that you guys heart, and just a little bit that I've 19 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:23.019 heard from you, Tim especially, it's just your heart, you know, 20 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:26.500 of course, is to save babies, but also to proclaim the gospel. 21 00:01:27.780 --> 00:01:33.329 Share real quick just a little bit about you guys. Maybe how long you've 22 00:01:33.329 --> 00:01:37.049 been in pro life ministry and what kind of ministry you've been involved in and 23 00:01:37.090 --> 00:01:38.489 that sort of thing, if you don't mind. Right. Well, we 24 00:01:38.569 --> 00:01:46.810 started in pro life ministry aboutout nineteen eighty six are our first child was born. 25 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:52.959 We married eighty five and got cot pregnant on our honeymoon and as our 26 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.400 first child was born. That's really pro life right there. Didn't, didn't 27 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.000 intend it that way, but God, God did. Yeah, yeah, 28 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.750 we were the typical well, we'll have two or three kids. Yeah, 29 00:02:05.030 --> 00:02:07.909 thing a couple of years. Yes, sure, and so we had our 30 00:02:07.990 --> 00:02:15.219 first child and he was in hospital for ten days afterwards and and just got 31 00:02:15.300 --> 00:02:21.699 to see a lot of lot of struggling children there. And Yeah, sure, 32 00:02:21.819 --> 00:02:27.979 son. And there was another, another baby that we got to know 33 00:02:28.419 --> 00:02:32.889 that was born at Twenty, twenty two weeks, I think. Was Little 34 00:02:32.930 --> 00:02:39.370 Baby Caleb worn of twenty two weeks. That also touched us before, just 35 00:02:39.569 --> 00:02:44.960 before our before we are married, I had a radio program and she was 36 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:50.080 handing my calls and and this lady called us saying that her son was born 37 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.960 and and you know, his life was just hanging in the balance. And 38 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.639 so I end up going to this child in his hospital, seeing this little 39 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:00.629 baby that's the size of my hand. Yeah, yeah, really frustrated her 40 00:03:00.909 --> 00:03:06.389 because she was going, how in the world can people abort a baby the 41 00:03:06.550 --> 00:03:10.270 size of my son? Yeah, it just really touched her and we became 42 00:03:10.389 --> 00:03:14.219 really good friends. Yeah, but you know, I grew up in a 43 00:03:14.300 --> 00:03:17.460 family my dad was in Christian radio and you know, very, very Christian, 44 00:03:19.699 --> 00:03:23.020 conservative Christian family. Yeah, but you know, my memories in one 45 00:03:23.020 --> 00:03:27.610 thousand nine hundred and seventy three I was I was twelve years old. And 46 00:03:27.810 --> 00:03:36.009 yet my memories of the Church, Christians reacting to the the Ro versus weight 47 00:03:36.129 --> 00:03:42.599 decision are non existent. I have tons of memories of my dad and other 48 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.639 people, you know, other other people I knew, being outraged over various 49 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:52.479 aspects of what was going on with Nixon. Yeah, I remember those things 50 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:57.669 happening. I remember the day Nixon left on that helicopter. I remember that 51 00:03:57.710 --> 00:04:00.710 quiet well, but I remember nothing of anybody speaking out about abortion. Yeah, 52 00:04:00.909 --> 00:04:09.270 and so you know it was. It was years later that kind of 53 00:04:12.419 --> 00:04:18.019 long haired young man who was part of the Calvary Chappel movement had a radio 54 00:04:18.100 --> 00:04:25.449 program on my dad's station and he started playing this from a guy, Gary 55 00:04:25.569 --> 00:04:29.529 S Paxton. Okay, old song, first first song I ever heard that 56 00:04:30.370 --> 00:04:33.129 dealt with this. It's kind of a interesting to call the song, but 57 00:04:33.170 --> 00:04:38.410 it's called the big a equals the big M. Okay, here the little 58 00:04:38.569 --> 00:04:42.399 heartbeat, it would go. And so I heard this song that ends with 59 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.720 a flat line of you know, you have a baby's heartbeat throughout the song. 60 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.680 At the end it is flat line. Yeah, it is my creation. 61 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:55.990 You killed it. Yeah, wow. So you know, I went. 62 00:04:56.069 --> 00:04:59.389 We weren't hearing about it in Church and we weren't hearing about it much 63 00:04:59.470 --> 00:05:01.990 at home, but you know, for this this thing we heard on the 64 00:05:02.029 --> 00:05:08.620 radio and the people calling into my radio show and we had a young woman 65 00:05:08.660 --> 00:05:13.939 who called us from a community told us she was pregnant and we tried to 66 00:05:14.019 --> 00:05:15.420 figure out how to help or didn't know what to do, because she was 67 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:20.420 saying she was going to Aboord her baby. She just wanted prayer and turned 68 00:05:20.449 --> 00:05:24.370 out, long and the short of it that she was lying about the whole 69 00:05:24.490 --> 00:05:28.769 thing and she was just doing it to get attention. But God used that 70 00:05:28.889 --> 00:05:32.649 to get us thinking towards what are we going to do about this situation? 71 00:05:32.689 --> 00:05:35.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, a lot of Christians sort of. 72 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:40.959 You know, I was. I was a believer for a couple of 73 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:45.759 years until I really and before I really got really the Lord got a hold 74 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:48.040 of me over the issue of abortion. Like you know, we believe abortions 75 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.870 bag because we know it's killing a Cho out. It's bad, but it 76 00:05:50.990 --> 00:05:55.230 is a really anything we can do about it. It's really thing that I'm 77 00:05:55.269 --> 00:05:57.709 called to do about. I mean we're called just to preach the Gospel, 78 00:05:57.870 --> 00:06:00.750 right. We're not called to go out and deal with political issues, and 79 00:06:00.829 --> 00:06:03.189 it's because we're duped by the devil, I believe, as a church, 80 00:06:03.269 --> 00:06:06.660 into believing in church has been for a long time and believing that abortion is 81 00:06:06.660 --> 00:06:11.300 a political issue. It's really not. It's really not political issue at all. 82 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:15.100 So talk a little bit about how the Lord got you involved in in 83 00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:17.180 pro life work. I know you guys were involved in the rescue movement and 84 00:06:17.889 --> 00:06:20.850 stuff like that. So talk a little bit about your heart, as far 85 00:06:20.889 --> 00:06:27.050 as God's heart in your heart and getting you involved in that extreme level of 86 00:06:27.209 --> 00:06:30.689 pro life involvement that some people think it is. Well, we knew before 87 00:06:30.689 --> 00:06:33.720 we were married. One of the things that kind of brought us together. 88 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:38.240 We knew each other about seven years before we were married. But and I 89 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.720 we had been together in high school and then when I went off to college, 90 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:47.589 I decided to leave her behind and go try out some other relationships with 91 00:06:47.670 --> 00:06:51.149 girls and till in high school time year. She's two years younger than me. 92 00:06:51.310 --> 00:06:54.670 So I know you can't. Can't go to college and have a high 93 00:06:54.670 --> 00:07:00.269 school girl. Yeah, from my school. So anyway, eventually I come 94 00:07:00.350 --> 00:07:01.579 back to her, as she knew I would always come back to her. 95 00:07:02.259 --> 00:07:09.019 So, but how? I forgot what I was going to say. Just 96 00:07:09.100 --> 00:07:12.819 getting involved in the rescue movement, and that's sort of thing right. This 97 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:17.170 was this was early, early s I'm talking about. But when we wanted 98 00:07:17.209 --> 00:07:23.490 to talk about getting married, he had basically at some point decided he didn't 99 00:07:23.529 --> 00:07:25.970 even think he needed to get married. He didn't want it. He just 100 00:07:26.050 --> 00:07:28.610 wanted to serve God. That's what. That's the point I was going to 101 00:07:28.649 --> 00:07:30.839 say, and the thing that she kind of hooked me back in with was, 102 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.160 you know, we can serve got better together than we can separately. 103 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:39.439 He was and so we got married planning to serve God and we had already 104 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.600 had, you know, a few little influences toward doing something about abortion. 105 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.829 But I was still just thinking of Inner City Ministry. I wanted to move 106 00:07:46.870 --> 00:07:49.670 to Jackson, MISSISSIPPI BE A part of ministry, two people in the inner 107 00:07:49.790 --> 00:07:54.709 city, because there's a ministry there we were familiar with. And you know, 108 00:07:54.910 --> 00:07:58.939 so when you get pregnant on your honeymoon, it kind of changes your 109 00:07:58.980 --> 00:08:01.939 perspective on Yes, and so she's taking your ministry focused. Are We? 110 00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:07.500 Are we going to move to Jackson Mississippi, with the being pregnant and all 111 00:08:07.540 --> 00:08:11.139 that, and my and her mom was her mom's health wasn't good thing. 112 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:15.050 So she's singing. Is there something we can do around here? Where we 113 00:08:15.129 --> 00:08:18.889 do around here is going to make a difference? And so we heard about 114 00:08:18.250 --> 00:08:22.050 a pregnancy center about thirty minutes from us. We were in a little town 115 00:08:22.089 --> 00:08:26.199 called Dalano, California, and so we had to go down to Bakersfield be 116 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:31.200 a part of this pregnancy center and we not train. We got trained, 117 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.840 but we couldn't finish the training because she had a breast infection and baby had 118 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.480 to be in a hospital or different things like that, and we never could 119 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.389 finish it. Never could finish the training. And so she finally says, 120 00:08:41.389 --> 00:08:43.590 kind of out of frustration, you know, what I really would like to 121 00:08:43.710 --> 00:08:46.950 do is talk to girl, girls who are actually going in for abortion. 122 00:08:46.990 --> 00:08:50.590 Does anybody do that? Uh Huh, and they said Yeah, they actually 123 00:08:50.710 --> 00:08:54.669 is a group that does that. It turned out the group that went out 124 00:08:54.710 --> 00:08:58.019 on the sidewalk had started a couple of years before that and the pregnancy center 125 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:03.379 had been founded by some of the same people there, and so they were 126 00:09:03.419 --> 00:09:05.500 familiar with what they did there. So we went out on the sidewalk and 127 00:09:05.580 --> 00:09:09.769 got to know these people that were ministering your girls going in. And you 128 00:09:09.889 --> 00:09:16.129 know, honestly, for about the first six months we are standing there. 129 00:09:16.169 --> 00:09:18.009 We want to we want to be there, we want to be used when, 130 00:09:18.049 --> 00:09:22.889 want to be effective, but I personally am standing there thinking, how 131 00:09:22.970 --> 00:09:24.120 do you, how do you talk to these people? Yet how do you 132 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.679 find the words to say, yeah, so girls about to go in and 133 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.480 have maybe killed you know. Yeah, and so we're kind of standing in 134 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.519 awe of these people who are talking to the girls going in and praying and 135 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.029 just thinking, wow, these are like spiritual giants, letting US stand next 136 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:46.110 to him. And eventually a woman comes in. The first one that, 137 00:09:46.350 --> 00:09:48.669 I think, correct me if I'm wrong here, I think this is the 138 00:09:48.710 --> 00:09:52.070 first one that you was pretty much there by myself, you really had an 139 00:09:52.429 --> 00:09:54.419 impact on. Is this woman who comes in, she has a little baby 140 00:09:54.700 --> 00:09:58.299 and she doesn't speak English. Okay, little baby, she has to do 141 00:09:58.460 --> 00:10:01.980 something with this maybe very sick baby, to oxy, she has to do 142 00:10:03.139 --> 00:10:05.220 something on it, with a tube and cleaning out the baby's throat or something, 143 00:10:05.299 --> 00:10:09.529 and she doesn't speak a word of English. Yeah, Terry didn't speak 144 00:10:09.529 --> 00:10:11.570 a word of Spanish, and yet this girl, this woman, is going 145 00:10:11.649 --> 00:10:16.330 in and to the abortion center. Yeah, he brought her baby with her, 146 00:10:16.649 --> 00:10:18.889 brought her little sickly baby with her because she had to have her. 147 00:10:20.090 --> 00:10:26.080 And so then I somehow, with God's guidance, yeah, was able to 148 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.759 convince her to get in, because she had taken the bus, get into 149 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:35.120 my car and I drove her crosstown to the pregnancy center. Yeah, and 150 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.029 they found someone that spoke Spanish and she ended up keeping her baby. Yeah, 151 00:10:39.070 --> 00:10:43.149 right, well, so that that was and even then, even after 152 00:10:43.269 --> 00:10:46.629 that, you know, it's still well, okay, Currie Curry is there 153 00:10:46.710 --> 00:10:48.470 and I'm just kind of there the supporter because, you know, as a 154 00:10:48.590 --> 00:10:52.500 man, I felt like what what do I yeah say? And that's one 155 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:56.059 of the things that we find out. You were just out on the sidewalk 156 00:10:56.379 --> 00:10:58.299 earlier with us and you notice we had there were two men out there, 157 00:10:58.860 --> 00:11:01.899 actually three, four. I guess I would include myself as a man. 158 00:11:01.940 --> 00:11:05.450 So they're like four of US guys out there, and I get some of 159 00:11:05.529 --> 00:11:09.250 that from men who come out and they have a burden for this thing. 160 00:11:09.649 --> 00:11:11.889 They want to do something about abortion, like this was a woman's issue. 161 00:11:13.169 --> 00:11:16.809 The fact is this is really a man's issue and if we could reach that 162 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.120 young man that's brought his girlfriend for an abortion, we can also influence her 163 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:26.120 him to influence her. It's pretty powerful and some of our most effective sidewalk 164 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.360 counselors actually man. But so yeah, I mean, you know, the 165 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:33.230 devil allies to us. We, you know, kind of allow ourselves to 166 00:11:33.269 --> 00:11:37.470 be confused by some of the world's understanding of stuff. This is really a 167 00:11:37.549 --> 00:11:41.629 man's issue too. So it's good to see, from my respect, of 168 00:11:41.950 --> 00:11:45.590 a couple serving the Lord together and that capacity and seeing the necessity for, 169 00:11:45.710 --> 00:11:46.940 you know, husband of wife to be serving in the way. You can 170 00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:50.179 sort of tag team this thing right. Pretty cool. You guys have been 171 00:11:50.179 --> 00:11:54.940 doing that for a long time, right about fifteen to twenty years after we 172 00:11:54.179 --> 00:12:03.570 started. You know, Terry was Terry was leading a group in a vacation 173 00:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.330 Bible school at our church, Baptist Church that we went to there in Bakersfield, 174 00:12:07.490 --> 00:12:13.250 and this this little boy was part of her group and he prayed to 175 00:12:13.330 --> 00:12:20.519 accept Christ there in her group and later we learned that his father, the 176 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:28.039 little boys father, said that I was there when they went into abort the 177 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.350 baby, that I was there telling him that you need to be a real 178 00:12:31.470 --> 00:12:35.830 man, you need to stand up for your baby, and I you know, 179 00:12:35.950 --> 00:12:37.950 at that time I don't that. I don't know if that was the 180 00:12:37.110 --> 00:12:41.509 first one I heard of that I had made a difference in, but honestly, 181 00:12:41.629 --> 00:12:45.340 you know, for many, many years there I was there ministering with 182 00:12:45.419 --> 00:12:48.179 Terry and I was mainly supporting her. I would talk from time to time, 183 00:12:48.299 --> 00:12:50.700 but I just felt like she's a lot more effective than yeah, I 184 00:12:50.899 --> 00:12:56.100 want them to hear the most effective voice and sometimes if I'm the only one 185 00:12:56.139 --> 00:12:58.809 there, then I got to be the one that talks. But I didn't. 186 00:13:00.049 --> 00:13:03.210 I didn't want to always be the one talking because I felt like she's 187 00:13:03.289 --> 00:13:05.450 just so much more effected than I was. But this, this guy told 188 00:13:05.490 --> 00:13:09.049 me that I was there yes, an amazing how the word lets us that 189 00:13:09.169 --> 00:13:13.240 exact me where to the chances, you know, and just random chance of 190 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.240 events? No Way. That was God in his Providence, sort of letting 191 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.399 you hear. Right then, if you know you were effective in that and 192 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.559 that this child whose life was physically saved, the God used me to physically 193 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.830 save his life and then Churie was there to pray with this child to accept 194 00:13:28.870 --> 00:13:31.230 Christ, that's amazing. But that is amazing. There's no such thing as 195 00:13:31.269 --> 00:13:35.870 accidents, there's no such thing as just fate or whatever. This is the 196 00:13:35.990 --> 00:13:39.870 providence of God moving. That's that's powerful. So if you could talk a 197 00:13:39.909 --> 00:13:43.299 little bit about because I'm interesting and I told you I'm interested in sort of 198 00:13:43.340 --> 00:13:46.100 the pro life movement history and you know, if I've had flip on and 199 00:13:46.179 --> 00:13:50.259 I want to have him on again, hopefully pretty soon, talking about the 200 00:13:50.299 --> 00:13:56.169 rescue movement, him being the president of that or the director of Operation Rescue 201 00:13:56.210 --> 00:13:58.409 for a while. But you guys are involved in that movement. was well, 202 00:13:58.450 --> 00:14:01.889 you involved when it first got started or you sort of jumped on board 203 00:14:01.929 --> 00:14:09.250 with that after that. We we roundell terry had come to Baker's field, 204 00:14:09.289 --> 00:14:11.399 right, and or our church. We were involved when it first started in 205 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.840 California, but I believe it was in Atlanta and then New Jersey, probably 206 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:22.200 a year or so before it came. Yeah, for you. Yeah, 207 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.789 some folks might not even have a clue when I'm talking about rescue movement or 208 00:14:26.909 --> 00:14:30.269 you know whatever. Describe a little bit of what that means, what it 209 00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:33.590 means when people say Operation Rescue, Rescue Movement and that sort of thing. 210 00:14:33.750 --> 00:14:39.940 When we heard about them doing the holy week rescues, okay, remember back 211 00:14:41.419 --> 00:14:43.460 what year would be. Thousand nine hundred and eighty nine, I think. 212 00:14:43.659 --> 00:14:46.580 Okay, we because even a sidewalk counseling, believe it or not. I 213 00:14:46.820 --> 00:14:52.299 was kind of shy to do it. Yeah, and when we went down 214 00:14:52.340 --> 00:14:58.370 to La in Bakersfield, it's more conservative. We don't have the pro boorts 215 00:14:58.450 --> 00:15:01.129 in our face or anything like yeah, but when we were when we were 216 00:15:01.250 --> 00:15:05.370 down there, I was just going to sidewalk counsel. I wasn't going to 217 00:15:05.409 --> 00:15:09.240 risk arrest. And what they do is they would actually place themselves in front 218 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:16.480 of the doors and not allow anyone to go in because they didn't want babies 219 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.240 to be killed. And we were taught that we need to be peaceful, 220 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:24.590 yeah, respectful and pray, and it was, it was. It was 221 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:28.110 an awesome time, but I was just counseling. Yeah, and so I 222 00:15:28.350 --> 00:15:33.070 was able to try to talk to girls, but the pro bourts had those 223 00:15:33.230 --> 00:15:37.379 big keep abortion legal sign okay, and they would surround the girl and there's 224 00:15:37.419 --> 00:15:41.860 no way you could. So I had to raise my voice. Yeah, 225 00:15:41.940 --> 00:15:45.899 and I came out of my comfort zone. UH, yell, please, 226 00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:50.129 let us talk to you. And they had surrounded this girl in a car 227 00:15:50.929 --> 00:15:54.289 and didn't want her to look at us or anything. But pretty soon she 228 00:15:54.450 --> 00:15:58.409 ends up, the driver backs up and she ended up leaving. Yeah, 229 00:15:58.450 --> 00:16:02.889 so that encourage me and made me more vocal when I came back to Bakersfield. 230 00:16:03.129 --> 00:16:08.480 Yeah, so the rescue movement basically in conjunction with what sidewalk counselors are 231 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:12.519 already doing. The rescue movement what it's heart was to put it self, 232 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:18.870 put themselves between the woman who's going into the abortion clinic and the abortionist and 233 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:23.149 basically they would, through civil disobedience, block the door. But there's some 234 00:16:23.350 --> 00:16:26.190 you know, I know listen, of course, if you listen to the 235 00:16:26.389 --> 00:16:30.870 media about this, you read some of the stories from back in those days, 236 00:16:30.909 --> 00:16:33.299 it was a lot of hyped up and like these are a bunch of 237 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:37.500 violent people that were just doing they it wasn't a civil disobedience in their eyes, 238 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:40.500 it was just violence and just angry and it's like, man, and 239 00:16:40.539 --> 00:16:44.019 I look back at some of the old videos from the rescues and I listened 240 00:16:44.059 --> 00:16:47.450 to people like you, you, like yourself, talk about the rescue movement, 241 00:16:47.490 --> 00:16:52.330 it's like these are just God loving people, loving individuals. Like it 242 00:16:52.409 --> 00:16:55.210 or lump it, they were doing the best they can with what they knew 243 00:16:55.370 --> 00:17:00.049 to try to interpose, to try to stand between that that mother and that 244 00:17:00.129 --> 00:17:03.960 abortionist and then ultimately, working in conjunction with the sidewalk counsel, try to 245 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.960 convince her to choose life. And there were I don't know how many, 246 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.400 maybe you guys do. I would say thousands, yes, babies that were 247 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:17.470 saved through that. So if you could share. You've already shared one powerful 248 00:17:17.509 --> 00:17:21.349 testimony. Share a testimony, whether it's from, you know, the rescue 249 00:17:22.109 --> 00:17:25.589 sort of thing going on with operation rescuer, whether it's too sidewalk counseling. 250 00:17:26.069 --> 00:17:30.259 Maybe share a story that you guys have experienced. Another one. Well, 251 00:17:30.740 --> 00:17:37.579 Terry, where is? Terry was out a woman had lost her baby at 252 00:17:37.619 --> 00:17:42.859 about Betty, she lost her baby about fourteen weeks. Is that what it 253 00:17:44.019 --> 00:17:51.130 was? And so she the doctor had allowed her to bring her baby home 254 00:17:51.250 --> 00:17:56.329 for some reason in a jar, and she felt like I want my baby, 255 00:17:56.490 --> 00:18:00.920 Baby Anthony, to be useful in some way. I feel like God 256 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.000 has something he wants to do with my baby, and so she ended up 257 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.680 allowing Terry to bring her baby in the jar out in the sidewalk, and 258 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.079 Terry was very careful with it because she got I know people are going to 259 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:14.069 go what. Yeah, I know it look creepy, a little weird, 260 00:18:14.190 --> 00:18:18.349 but lord use us. And it was in a cardboard box and I only 261 00:18:19.710 --> 00:18:23.829 used it if I would ask a girl, you know, Oh, you're 262 00:18:23.910 --> 00:18:27.259 twelve weeks. Well, you know, I have a little baby that's fourteen 263 00:18:27.460 --> 00:18:32.380 weeks. Would you want to see the baby? Yeah, and if she 264 00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:37.220 did I would show it, show him, Anthony, yeah, to here 265 00:18:37.299 --> 00:18:41.609 and they were amazed and we showed five, five people the baby, and 266 00:18:41.849 --> 00:18:48.369 out of the five, four change their minds. Yeah, they're baby, 267 00:18:48.809 --> 00:18:52.730 and three ended up asking Jesus into their heart. Okay. Yeah, so 268 00:18:52.890 --> 00:18:59.480 it was used very effectively. But it wasn't long before the abortion business caught 269 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:03.359 wind of it and they actually called the corner. Okay, there, and 270 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.920 it became a big media thing that, you know, the news. The 271 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.910 News said that night that Terry was parading up and down the sidewalk showing this 272 00:19:11.109 --> 00:19:14.990 fetus in the jar to, yeah, everybody, as if she was just 273 00:19:15.190 --> 00:19:18.710 waving it around. Yeah, and so, you know, they made a 274 00:19:18.829 --> 00:19:25.779 big, big, you know girls, very fake news. Yeah, if 275 00:19:25.859 --> 00:19:29.140 it was viable even, okay, yeah, crazy, yeah, okay, 276 00:19:29.339 --> 00:19:30.539 wow, right. So, yeah, that's a little, right, little, 277 00:19:30.539 --> 00:19:34.380 little hypocritical of them. Right, by God. Used that effectively and 278 00:19:34.420 --> 00:19:41.650 it wasn't long after that that you met Jackie out in the sidewalk, who 279 00:19:41.450 --> 00:19:48.450 young woman who was there with her young granddaughter and she herself thought that she 280 00:19:48.490 --> 00:19:51.809 might be pregnant and she was watching her granddaughter, who was a bathe and 281 00:19:51.930 --> 00:19:55.640 allowed children in the of course, clinning. So here I am. I 282 00:19:55.799 --> 00:20:00.759 had never met her before and she I don't know if I volunteered or what, 283 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.519 but I said, well, I can, because back then they would 284 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.589 just do the pregnancy tests and they would call them back in a couple of 285 00:20:07.670 --> 00:20:11.150 hours to let him know what the results were. Huh. And so I 286 00:20:11.349 --> 00:20:15.230 watched her baby, grand baby out there while she went she went in and 287 00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:19.269 then we exchanged phone numbers. But she had told me if I'm pregnant, 288 00:20:19.829 --> 00:20:23.299 I'm going to have to have an abortion. I just got in shape. 289 00:20:23.420 --> 00:20:27.900 She was going to be correctional officer. Her youngest was like five, I 290 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:33.259 guess, and her whole new life was going to start, yeah, over, 291 00:20:33.500 --> 00:20:36.490 you know, and the father of her baby was married to somebody else 292 00:20:36.529 --> 00:20:40.450 and was a deacon in a in the church, and so, you know, 293 00:20:40.529 --> 00:20:44.890 it just like we can't do this. Yeah, anyway, that became 294 00:20:44.930 --> 00:20:49.519 a lifelong still relationship. We yeah, we just just yesterday, day before 295 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:52.599 you were still talking to her about something. But we told her that we 296 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:57.119 would, I said, will adopt her baby, Uh Huh, you know, 297 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:00.839 and she was a black lady. Yeah, and we're great friends. 298 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.349 And she said you really would, and I said Yeah, sure, you 299 00:21:04.430 --> 00:21:08.190 know, and so we kept an off and on she'd still think she might 300 00:21:08.309 --> 00:21:11.789 need to abort. I got to be at the birth of the baby. 301 00:21:12.029 --> 00:21:15.150 Yeah, and then once she saw him she said sorry, Terry, I'm 302 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:18.619 keeping them and yeah, that's fine. We never even got to have him 303 00:21:18.660 --> 00:21:22.259 for a single night. Yeah, yeah, so you went through this sort 304 00:21:22.299 --> 00:21:25.259 of up and down a lot of you know, I love her a lot 305 00:21:25.299 --> 00:21:26.819 of side well, cancels. Know exactly what you're talking about. Like you 306 00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:30.819 connect with the MOMS. She chooses live and the next day she says, 307 00:21:30.099 --> 00:21:33.849 I just don't think I can do this, and you know. So you're 308 00:21:33.890 --> 00:21:37.690 in that prayer sort of tension and like God, move on her heart. 309 00:21:37.730 --> 00:21:40.730 You don't let her get back. Yeah, we've experienced that several times. 310 00:21:40.809 --> 00:21:44.690 It school how the Lord can bring those stories about. And even you have 311 00:21:44.769 --> 00:21:48.000 a relationship now this, this lady's your friend. That's twenty eight years ago. 312 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:51.799 That having twenty eight years ago. So wow, that's that's and he's 313 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:55.680 he's even saying at some of our dinners and stuff. Oh, okay, 314 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:57.920 when he was younger. Yeah, yeah, that's that's so all. Thank 315 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:00.470 you for thank you for giving to the Lord. He's saying that song. 316 00:22:00.710 --> 00:22:03.990 What was I supposed to be. So it was. Yeah, yeah, 317 00:22:04.029 --> 00:22:10.069 that's powerful. God definitely blessed us by having that relationship over the yeah, 318 00:22:10.549 --> 00:22:14.230 now you'd cheered earlier. I could be misquoting you on this, but you 319 00:22:14.309 --> 00:22:18.220 know, you gas were involved, at least in some way involved, in 320 00:22:18.740 --> 00:22:22.660 the life chain movement and sort of the beginning stages of that. Talk took 321 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:26.299 a little bit about that. Well, this was during the rescue days when, 322 00:22:26.660 --> 00:22:30.650 you know, there was a big flash of attention and a lot of 323 00:22:30.690 --> 00:22:33.609 a lot of things happening for the Holy Week in California, and then after 324 00:22:33.690 --> 00:22:36.930 that a lot of people got arrested and it's like well, wow, there 325 00:22:37.009 --> 00:22:38.930 was there was a big price to pay there, because they really cracked down 326 00:22:40.009 --> 00:22:42.130 on them there in La with numchucks and all this stuff. Yeah, and 327 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.000 so there were a lot of people saying, is there something else we can 328 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.359 do? You know, we're not sure how long we can keep doing these 329 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:56.480 rescues, and during that time we heard of this life chain idea that had 330 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.349 happened up in Uba city, Marysville. Man Named Royce Dunn had the idea 331 00:23:00.390 --> 00:23:03.789 of just holding this sign that says abortion kills children. Yeah, at the 332 00:23:03.869 --> 00:23:07.950 time it was just that one sign and no other message. You just felt 333 00:23:07.990 --> 00:23:11.509 like that's the message God gave him. Abortion kills children. Yeah, and 334 00:23:11.710 --> 00:23:15.700 so we ended up getting in touch with the guy who was the head of 335 00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:22.900 that in Bakersfield and he was he was actually, he had actually been at 336 00:23:22.940 --> 00:23:27.410 that same rescue that Terry talked about where the the pro aboards were surrounding the 337 00:23:27.450 --> 00:23:30.529 car with their keep abortion legal sign. They're trying to keep her from being 338 00:23:30.569 --> 00:23:34.849 able to talk to this girl. He was videotaping that. We Terry called 339 00:23:34.970 --> 00:23:41.640 him and thinking maybe we should have a rescue in Baker's right, because he 340 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.920 was ahead of Operation Rescue in Bakersfield, even though we hadn't had any rescues 341 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.000 in Bakersfield. And so we called him to see what we could do with 342 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:52.680 that and he said wait, who are you? And and he realized at 343 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:56.829 that very moment he had been editing a video. He had been he had 344 00:23:56.869 --> 00:24:02.829 a video of that rescue, of that very moment when she called, he 345 00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:07.109 was looking at a video of her, yeah, trying to save that baby's 346 00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:11.019 life. So we got a picture from him later of her her interceding for 347 00:24:11.140 --> 00:24:15.220 that baby, with this car also rounded with these people waiting lets for them 348 00:24:15.339 --> 00:24:18.700 yeah, and so we were. We were there with him throughout the time 349 00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:22.940 he was planning this Bakersfield life chain, which was the first one after the 350 00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:27.890 one Royce did in Uba City married Marysville, and as Bakersfield Life Chain, 351 00:24:27.970 --> 00:24:34.089 we he mapped out this huge area, miles of sidewalks and and had a 352 00:24:34.170 --> 00:24:41.319 church designated for each block and just a huge plan that he went to to 353 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:44.440 do all this. His name was bill newsome, the man I'm referring to, 354 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.559 and and ended up having eight thousand people on sidewalks on the streets of 355 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:56.029 Bakersfield during that time and he formed across it was a it was a huge 356 00:24:56.269 --> 00:25:03.470 miles long cross and and bill had the foresight to know this is something we 357 00:25:03.630 --> 00:25:07.099 need to have people know more about what we did here. So he even 358 00:25:07.900 --> 00:25:11.980 he hired videographers to take videos, okay, and he had a helicopter taken 359 00:25:12.019 --> 00:25:15.460 an aerial view of the whole thing, and so that video that he took 360 00:25:15.500 --> 00:25:21.650 in Bakersfield of that first Bakersfield life chain ended up being spread all across the 361 00:25:21.730 --> 00:25:26.769 country. The life chain is still to this day promoting that Bakersfield video. 362 00:25:26.809 --> 00:25:30.529 Yeah, as as the thing that got so many people across the country to 363 00:25:30.730 --> 00:25:36.720 realize we need to be getting out to the streets and standing for this message. 364 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.920 And it was primarily through the churches. It is primarily with bill, 365 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:42.240 Bill knews. It was primarily something that he said. We got to get 366 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.119 to the pastor's individually. Yeah, and it wasn't just you know, we 367 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.440 need to go there until the pastor hey, you got to, you got 368 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.829 to follow our agenda or you're worthless. It was we want to we want 369 00:25:52.829 --> 00:25:55.549 to support you in this, pastor, we're here, we're we're here to 370 00:25:55.630 --> 00:25:59.789 pray for you, we are here understanding that you need help and what we're 371 00:25:59.789 --> 00:26:03.190 doing. And you know, you go there not saying hey, pastor, 372 00:26:03.390 --> 00:26:07.339 we want you to solve this huge problem yourself, but here's something tangible that 373 00:26:07.460 --> 00:26:11.019 you can do, here's something. We're laying out the program here for you 374 00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:15.539 to follow and all we need to know is that, as a pastor, 375 00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:19.890 this is going to have your spiritual leadership in your congregation. Yeah, yeah, 376 00:26:19.930 --> 00:26:23.250 yeah, it's cool how the Lord can just grow things like that. 377 00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:26.529 You know, we have locally. I shared with you, guys, and 378 00:26:26.609 --> 00:26:30.529 you've probably seen someone social media, Love Life, Charlotte's ministry, that's done 379 00:26:30.609 --> 00:26:34.119 something similar to that. Just bringing the people out to the abortion clinics pray 380 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.240 and they've been a great partner with us. Even you know, some of 381 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.960 the folks have come out to the prayer walks have taken it a step further 382 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.000 and probably you guys experience that same thing that you know came in a hell 383 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.390 to sign, but I want to do something else, and they come sidewalk 384 00:26:47.470 --> 00:26:51.309 counsel and get involved in that way. So it's really cool to see the 385 00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:55.029 Lord doing that. Talk a little bit about because, you know, starting 386 00:26:55.069 --> 00:26:56.869 out I said you know, and you agree, abortions not a political issue, 387 00:26:57.630 --> 00:27:00.660 but there are some political decisions that are made and there were some there 388 00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:06.259 are some things that we as believers can do in order to influence the politics. 389 00:27:06.259 --> 00:27:08.500 I mean that. But really how it should take places is the politics 390 00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:11.779 follow the Church as the church leads, because we're supposed to be the conscience 391 00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:15.730 of society. Unfortunately, we've not been that in a lot of ways, 392 00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:19.410 but there are some ways that we have been, and I know you're involved 393 00:27:19.410 --> 00:27:23.930 with some of the political stuff and in particular the life amendment. Right, 394 00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:27.569 talk about that, talk about the the way the church can get him border 395 00:27:27.609 --> 00:27:30.079 get on war with that and why that's sort of a, you know, 396 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.440 an important thing for us to understand. Well, one of the most important 397 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:41.000 scriptures, I think, of the rescue movement, that it was talked about 398 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.309 frequently, was, I believe, this Matthew Sixteen, where Jesus says to 399 00:27:45.430 --> 00:27:52.069 Peter the gates of hell will not prevail against my church, and to to 400 00:27:52.190 --> 00:27:59.660 understand what that meant, that the Church was confronting the gates of Hell. 401 00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:03.579 Yeah, you know that we are, we are, we are going after 402 00:28:03.619 --> 00:28:07.539 the gates hell. But as in their last few years, as I've studied 403 00:28:07.539 --> 00:28:11.099 that, I've come to a new understanding, as I realize the word church 404 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:18.890 is actually not really a good representation of what Jesus said in that scripture. 405 00:28:19.049 --> 00:28:23.049 Okay, Peter it. The word in Greek is ECCLESEA, and the word 406 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:29.640 Ecclesia, or assembly, is something that has a rich background in both the 407 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:33.359 Old Testament and in the Greek culture. You know, of course, that 408 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:38.519 that was written in Greek. Yeah, and the Greek ECCLESSEA, that was 409 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:45.630 hundreds of years before Christ, was the assembly, the political assembly of men 410 00:28:45.990 --> 00:28:51.230 of the community who came together to decide key issues in the community, in 411 00:28:51.269 --> 00:28:55.670 the Kay, in the community. These are the city states of classical Greek 412 00:28:56.059 --> 00:29:00.619 the community. The communities were the police, and that's where the word politics 413 00:29:00.940 --> 00:29:07.299 comes out of that community, where the ECCLESSEA was there deciding these issues. 414 00:29:07.579 --> 00:29:11.369 And so when we say the gates of hell will not prevail against the ECCLESSEA, 415 00:29:12.009 --> 00:29:18.609 you know understand the assembly that there was a political connotation to that in 416 00:29:18.730 --> 00:29:22.130 its original meaning. And so you know, when Jesus calls us to occupy 417 00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:27.599 until he comes, and you know, even though we are we are not 418 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:33.359 citizens of this world, that we are citizens of Heaven, we are to 419 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.000 be faithful in the tasks that he has given us here. Yeah, as 420 00:29:37.630 --> 00:29:44.269 citizens of our nation, we have all authority is given to us by God, 421 00:29:44.349 --> 00:29:47.509 and so we have the authority that God has given to us as citizens 422 00:29:47.509 --> 00:29:51.430 of our nation to be involved in the political process, to be involved in 423 00:29:51.549 --> 00:29:59.859 not just voting but in in political efforts to raise awareness about things, and 424 00:30:00.460 --> 00:30:03.859 so I think it's part of our calling to be salt and light in the 425 00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:14.089 society that we need to be reaching for efforts to protect people of all of 426 00:30:14.130 --> 00:30:17.049 all kinds. Yeah, and you know, abortion is not political issue, 427 00:30:17.089 --> 00:30:19.369 it's a people issue, okay, and just like a lot of things that 428 00:30:21.089 --> 00:30:25.160 politicians deal with affect people and a lot of things churches deal with affect people. 429 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:29.440 Yeah, and so abortion is one of those things. It's affecting real 430 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.240 people, that child in its mother's womb. Ninety seven percent of biologists, 431 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.829 a recent study, study recently came out saying that ninety seven percent of biologists 432 00:30:37.910 --> 00:30:44.910 agree that human life begins at the point of fertilization, conception, when the 433 00:30:44.950 --> 00:30:48.150 sperm and egg meet. Yeah, and so this is something that, you 434 00:30:48.269 --> 00:30:52.420 know, those who advocate taking away the lives of these children in the womb 435 00:30:52.420 --> 00:30:56.140 are really science deniers. Those who say that's not a baby, that's not 436 00:30:56.180 --> 00:31:00.579 a human being. These are the worst kind of science deniers, where they 437 00:31:00.859 --> 00:31:07.089 really basic basic genetics to know this baby in the womb is a human being. 438 00:31:07.130 --> 00:31:10.690 Yeah, and so the life amendment is an effort to simply say, 439 00:31:11.250 --> 00:31:17.130 and it's very it's a very short thing, that simply say that a human 440 00:31:17.170 --> 00:31:22.480 being is considered legally a person from the earliest point of its development. Yeah, 441 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.319 and so it doesn't go into a lot of detail about abortion or anything 442 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:32.400 like that, because if you use that word person, it links in with 443 00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:37.269 the Fifth Amendment, in the Fourteenth Amendment especially the fourteen that talks about the 444 00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:44.150 protections of you can't deny a person of life or liberty without due process. 445 00:31:44.309 --> 00:31:49.539 Yeah, and so the due process this isn't it's not in any way taking 446 00:31:49.579 --> 00:31:56.420 away from the personhood of a woman. Women as well deserve due process, 447 00:31:56.019 --> 00:32:00.980 but the baby deserves due process, yeah, or it's life is taken away. 448 00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:07.009 And so the life amendment is an effort constitutionally in our federal constitution to 449 00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:12.410 have what you've probably the personhood movement. Yes, the country quite a bit. 450 00:32:12.450 --> 00:32:16.680 It's a it's a federal personhood effort. But the difference is that a 451 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:23.119 federal constitutional amendment is something the Supreme Court can't strike it down, they can't 452 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:28.000 tinker with it. It's a constitutional amendment. It actually sets the rules that 453 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.750 the Supreme Court itself has to live yeah. So they have to, they 454 00:32:31.829 --> 00:32:36.349 have to adhere to that as part of the constitution because they're there, yeah, 455 00:32:36.390 --> 00:32:38.589 required uphold. So what is the language exactly and what you guys have 456 00:32:38.750 --> 00:32:44.460 proposed in the in the life amendment? Well, I don't have the exact 457 00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:51.539 language, members, but basically it's that from the beginning of the development of 458 00:32:51.619 --> 00:32:54.339 a human being it would be considered a person. Okay, it's a very, 459 00:32:54.380 --> 00:33:00.130 very so basically it's just an invitation for everyone to catch it with reality 460 00:33:00.289 --> 00:33:02.650 that this is a person and for the government to catch it with that reality 461 00:33:02.690 --> 00:33:07.769 and say, basically, all of the constitutional protections that are in the bill 462 00:33:07.769 --> 00:33:13.640 of rights and the constitution apply even to a person in the womb. Right. 463 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.400 Okay, let's go. Website Life Amendment Dot Org is going to ask 464 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:21.240 if there was a particular website. Someone be good specific wording on their life 465 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:25.920 amendment dot Org. But the real person whose passion brought this about, this 466 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:31.309 life amendment website, is a man that many people probably are familiar with, 467 00:33:31.630 --> 00:33:37.750 Dr Don Smith. He was the the the produce sure, of the silent 468 00:33:37.789 --> 00:33:42.019 screen video Manka many years ago. Remember that video and while since I watched 469 00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:45.180 it, but it's powerful. He passed away in January at about ninety five 470 00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:49.339 years old. I think he was little, little, little short of his 471 00:33:49.420 --> 00:33:52.539 ninety five birthday. But God, God used him for many years, but 472 00:33:52.660 --> 00:33:55.369 in the last few years we had the opportunity of working with him on this 473 00:33:55.529 --> 00:34:00.210 life amendment effort and the things, the way this whole life men was constructed 474 00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:05.450 in the things, most of the things on our website and our pamphlets we 475 00:34:05.529 --> 00:34:08.170 hand out, those were all written by by him and his final years. 476 00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:13.880 Yeah, so it's talked about a pro life pioneer. It's just been amazing 477 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:19.159 to have the opportunity the last few years as he was in his in his 478 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:24.150 rest home, we talked to him frequently there. This was his passion until 479 00:34:24.389 --> 00:34:29.510 his final days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I know for sure 480 00:34:30.190 --> 00:34:32.389 for me personally. You know I'm around Flip Benham. You guys know him 481 00:34:32.429 --> 00:34:37.190 on a regular basis and been exposed to other people that have been in per 482 00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:39.539 life ministry for a long time and I've been able to just clean a lot 483 00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:45.780 of wisdom and and just talking to you guys and just this little bit of 484 00:34:45.860 --> 00:34:47.699 time that we've known each other, been able to draw out some wisdom for 485 00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:52.019 sure. And just the last couple of minutes, because I wrap this thing 486 00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:54.409 up, if that's all right with you, guys, share if you could, 487 00:34:55.489 --> 00:34:59.570 some wisdom, maybe some some things that that you know for those who 488 00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:04.210 are kind of brand new in dealing with the issue of abortion. Maybe those 489 00:35:04.409 --> 00:35:07.920 a lot of folks that they listen to our podcast are involved in sidewalk counseling 490 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.599 and maybe just newly involved in it and maybe some other people, you know, 491 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.079 whatever reason to listen this podcast. What are some maybe I don't know, 492 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.960 maybe some of the warnings or just some nuggets of wisdom that you would 493 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.710 speak to somebody just brand new getting into this, this battle for the unborn? 494 00:35:24.429 --> 00:35:29.710 Well, in terms of dealing with people directly who are going in for 495 00:35:29.789 --> 00:35:32.550 abortion, that's been the major focus of our ministry over the years, though 496 00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:36.300 we've done a lot of different things, including life amendment things like that, 497 00:35:36.579 --> 00:35:42.340 but the you know, one of the best pieces of wisdom I got was 498 00:35:43.099 --> 00:35:50.849 about probably fifteen years ago when when Franklin Graham was coming to Bakersfield for one 499 00:35:50.889 --> 00:35:55.690 of his festivals, and we've had an opportunity to see Franklin Graham many times 500 00:35:58.050 --> 00:36:01.809 over the years and really appreciate his boldness and speaking out abortion. In this 501 00:36:01.969 --> 00:36:06.480 particular situation, he didn't talk about abortion at all. I don't recall him 502 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.159 speaking of abortion specifically at that time, but we were going to be a 503 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.119 part of the effort in terms of just counseling people at the end and there's 504 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:20.590 a training class they have you go through and part of that that's I'm assuming, 505 00:36:20.670 --> 00:36:23.510 has been part of the Billy Graham training probably for years before Franklin himself 506 00:36:23.630 --> 00:36:30.949 was the evangelist there. But part of that was just really key to me 507 00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:35.579 when it talked about when you're taught, when you're trying to reach somebody, 508 00:36:35.699 --> 00:36:42.739 you need to address their significance and their security. Okay, those two key 509 00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:45.980 things I think are so important as we're dealing with people on this issue. 510 00:36:46.099 --> 00:36:50.929 Significance, both to the mother and to the baby. Yeah, to understand 511 00:36:51.489 --> 00:36:54.409 mom, you are significant in the eyes of God. You matter to God 512 00:36:54.730 --> 00:37:00.010 and your baby matters too. Yeah. And the security is to say to 513 00:37:00.130 --> 00:37:02.920 the mother, we're here to help you. Yeah, God isn't. You're 514 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.360 not alone here. You know, there are people that are going to help 515 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:12.480 you through this. Yeah. And so we need to consider the significance and 516 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.710 security of women as we're dealing with them. And that same training went on 517 00:37:15.829 --> 00:37:21.750 to talk about things that are roadblocks to relationships and talk talked about there as 518 00:37:21.750 --> 00:37:23.110 I think, five days it goes through. I know if I can remember 519 00:37:23.269 --> 00:37:29.269 remember them all, but demeaning, demanding, dogmatic, all these things that, 520 00:37:29.469 --> 00:37:31.940 you know, if you're kind of saying you got to do it my 521 00:37:32.179 --> 00:37:37.300 way to this woman and kind of trying to push her into your mold instead 522 00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:42.699 of saying, you know, there's a God here who is wanting to help 523 00:37:42.739 --> 00:37:49.690 you through this. If we're trying to push them with our human ability instead 524 00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:54.929 of letting God use us in this situation, then things don't turn out so 525 00:37:55.050 --> 00:37:58.489 well and they put up roadblocks. And yes, do. But I guess 526 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:05.079 really found that training from from the Grand Organization to be just nugget of wisdom 527 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.440 that every pro lifers should consider. Yeah, yeah, it's good stuff. 528 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.239 It's sort of along the lines, you know, because we do trainings as 529 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.670 a ministry for sidewall counseling and we have three points that we encourage sidewall counselors 530 00:38:15.710 --> 00:38:19.510 to touch on. We say, talk about what God says. What God 531 00:38:19.550 --> 00:38:22.269 says about abortion, of course, but what God says about the mother and 532 00:38:22.389 --> 00:38:23.829 the baby, that he loves them, that he cares about them. So 533 00:38:23.949 --> 00:38:29.179 that's sort of speaks to that whole seeing their values should the significance that they 534 00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:30.820 have. And then we say, you know, talk about the humanity to 535 00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:34.860 the baby. Baby's hearts already beating. Your baby has ten fingers, ten 536 00:38:34.940 --> 00:38:37.019 toes, at all that. So give humanity to the baby. And the 537 00:38:37.099 --> 00:38:42.130 third point that we tell people is resources. Talk about the things are available 538 00:38:42.210 --> 00:38:45.050 in the mobilt, your sound unit, this right theory, pregnancy centers, 539 00:38:45.769 --> 00:38:49.090 prenatal care, all these other things. It's sort of sort of Rud along 540 00:38:49.090 --> 00:38:52.530 the lines of what you're saying. It's not rocket science. It's pretty pretty 541 00:38:52.530 --> 00:38:54.719 simple things. If we look at it from in our perspective, being in 542 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.599 difficult situations, what are the things that speaks to us? What are the 543 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.679 things that helps calm the storm? And it's exactly like, like you said. 544 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.960 Well, makes me think of to flip been, I'm phrase, but 545 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.309 it just makes me think of letting our theology become biography. Yeah, yeah, 546 00:39:12.349 --> 00:39:15.030 it's all, yeah, exactly. Well with that, I'm going to 547 00:39:15.110 --> 00:39:19.909 wrap this thing up. I do appreciate you guys coming and in sharing your 548 00:39:19.949 --> 00:39:22.190 heart, sharing your experiences. I know that it'll have an effect. Certainly 549 00:39:22.230 --> 00:39:24.940 had an effect on me and I know how effect on others. I want 550 00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:30.940 to encourage those who are listening with check out these guys website. As far 551 00:39:30.019 --> 00:39:34.980 as the life amendment, you said Life Amendment Dot Org or is that right? 552 00:39:35.380 --> 00:39:37.730 And you guys have a website locally for your ministry and what you guys 553 00:39:37.730 --> 00:39:42.570 are involved in. What's that website, glorified Jesuscom. I like that. 554 00:39:42.849 --> 00:39:45.210 That's really good. Glorified Jesuscom. That's what this is about. So you 555 00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:49.730 can check those guys out. I'll put that in the description in the podcast 556 00:39:49.769 --> 00:39:52.559 itself so people can get to those websites. Also, we have a website 557 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:58.400 as a ministry that we always mentioned, and that's www dot sidewalks for lifecom, 558 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.920 sidewalks and number for Lifecom, which is a Gospel Center, sidewalk counseling 559 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:06.719 website with training videos and and we put out blog posts on a regular basis 560 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.230 talking about how to be effective in certain areas and and that sort of thing. 561 00:40:09.309 --> 00:40:14.110 You can connect with me also at d parks, D parks, at 562 00:40:14.150 --> 00:40:17.309 cities for Lifecom and our website, Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org. 563 00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:22.019 And appreciate you, guys. Come appreciate all those who listen and until next 564 00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:37.289 time, God bless, use, mill use, give me, give me. 565 00:40:45.010 --> 00:40:52.199 It will cost me my life, but these two precious inside