Jan. 15, 2020

Fighting Discouragement in ProLife Ministry

Fighting Discouragement in ProLife Ministry

Discouragement is something everyone in ministry has to battle but the battle is especially hard when you're literally dealing with life and death issues. In this episode, Vicky and Daniel look at scripture to help you to fight discouragement as you...


Discouragement is something everyone in ministry has to battle but the battle is especially hard when you're literally dealing with life and death issues. In this episode, Vicky and Daniel look at scripture to help you to fight discouragement as you seek to be a voice for the voiceless.

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.589 Lord, I am your. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:10.869 --> 00:00:13.630 Let's episod. We're going to talk about how to fight discouragement in pro 4 00:00:13.750 --> 00:00:17.030 life ministry. It's something we all deal with, especially when we're dealing with 5 00:00:17.230 --> 00:00:20.829 life and death issues. Hope this podcast will be an encouragement. You stay 6 00:00:20.870 --> 00:00:35.140 tuned. I felt show passish touch your heart. All Right, welcome to 7 00:00:35.219 --> 00:00:39.130 the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We want to talk a little bit about 8 00:00:39.210 --> 00:00:42.890 something that I'm sure all of you deal with. We certainly deal with this, 9 00:00:43.130 --> 00:00:47.969 at least you know. Maybe you know. Time and again we deal 10 00:00:48.049 --> 00:00:51.759 with discouragement, and that's what we want to talk about, discouragement in Prolife 11 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:58.039 Ministry, and we've sort of numbered out some some points, some sources of 12 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:03.079 discouragement that we have, that we've experienced and that others have experienced. We 13 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.870 have conversations with people, not just inside wall counseling but in other realms of 14 00:01:07.909 --> 00:01:12.109 prolife ministry that get discouraged. Like I said, we get discourage from time 15 00:01:12.109 --> 00:01:18.269 to time. We have to encourage each other and so we sort of get 16 00:01:18.310 --> 00:01:21.219 a feel for what other people are dealing with and we find that we're all 17 00:01:21.299 --> 00:01:23.980 sort of dealing with some of the same stuff, right. So we wanted 18 00:01:25.019 --> 00:01:29.500 to touch on some of those subjects and some of those sources of discouragement that 19 00:01:29.859 --> 00:01:34.170 people have in and hopes that we can encourage people who are listening right and 20 00:01:34.290 --> 00:01:37.010 encourage them to stay in this battle, because it is a battle and I 21 00:01:37.049 --> 00:01:40.730 think that's it's not one of the points that we have here, but it's 22 00:01:40.730 --> 00:01:44.370 a sort of the overarching principle of this whole thing is that we're in a 23 00:01:44.450 --> 00:01:48.640 spiritual battle. It's not a battle against the Democrats, it's not a battle 24 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:52.879 against, you know, some political entity, because it's not a political fight. 25 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.200 This is a this is a battle of spiritual battle against forces of darkness 26 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.000 and we have to understand that. Whether we're doing pro life ministry, and 27 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.230 you know, Gospels that are pro life ministry, or world whether we're doing, 28 00:02:04.590 --> 00:02:07.310 you know, handed out tracks or or pastors in the pulpit or whatever 29 00:02:07.389 --> 00:02:13.110 realm of ministry, missionaries have to build have the battle with discouragement. I 30 00:02:13.150 --> 00:02:16.020 mean any work that you do either. If you're a nonbeliever, you can 31 00:02:16.099 --> 00:02:21.819 deal with discouragement, but as believers we have certain you know, sort of 32 00:02:21.979 --> 00:02:25.659 certain enemy that's against us. That brings a whole other level of discouragement and 33 00:02:25.860 --> 00:02:30.409 just, you know, lies that we believe and things like that. So 34 00:02:30.490 --> 00:02:34.770 so, yeah, let's touch on this subject and we hope that you guys. 35 00:02:34.849 --> 00:02:38.729 We prayed just before this podcast because we had a little discouragement with the 36 00:02:38.930 --> 00:02:46.199 with the audio stuff that we were dealing with, but we we prayed and 37 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.879 that's because we know we're in a spiritual battle. That's right, and I 38 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.719 wonder if that spiritual battle, you know, this is the major ministry I've 39 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.840 been involved in. I've been in other ministry trees before, but but in 40 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:02.949 this one you are you're attacking what Satan probably most wants to destroy. No, 41 00:03:04.110 --> 00:03:07.909 we're not attacking we're attacking his stronghold, on Satan stronghold, on the 42 00:03:07.949 --> 00:03:12.270 area that he most wants to destroy, which is the family, which is 43 00:03:12.430 --> 00:03:16.900 the bedrock of any nation, any community. And and if you can, 44 00:03:17.659 --> 00:03:24.259 you know, destroy the idea that a mother should always protect her child, 45 00:03:25.500 --> 00:03:29.689 you know, you go a long ways, I think, towards destroying the 46 00:03:29.849 --> 00:03:36.129 fabric of the family. So I think if I weren't engaged in a spiritual 47 00:03:36.250 --> 00:03:40.639 battle, when I am engaged in pro life activity or if I wasn't facing 48 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:47.039 the Satan's arrows, which of which discouragement is one, maybe I'm not doing 49 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:52.800 a very good job. Yeah, I think sometimes discouragement might tell you you're 50 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:57.710 doing something that is angering the enemy of your soul and he's attacking. Yeah, 51 00:03:58.150 --> 00:04:00.389 and even sometimes that alone, I think, can be encouraging. Yeah, 52 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.389 big, what's meant to be discouragement? And yet the Lord Turner do 53 00:04:03.430 --> 00:04:05.949 an encourage. You know, one of the things that I've said. I've 54 00:04:05.990 --> 00:04:10.099 heard others say it too, so it's not original to me, but abortion 55 00:04:10.300 --> 00:04:14.699 is the devil's pride and enjoy. This thing is like something that, you 56 00:04:14.780 --> 00:04:17.860 know, if you look at sort of the proponents of this, this pro 57 00:04:17.939 --> 00:04:23.740 abortion agenda, and some of the energy that's behind that, but also some 58 00:04:23.860 --> 00:04:26.769 of the the verb bridge and languages behind that, it's just like, man, 59 00:04:26.810 --> 00:04:31.529 this is satanic, this is something that that's obviously a spiritual stronghold. 60 00:04:31.649 --> 00:04:35.490 Is a spiritual stronghold in our nation. I believe, much like you know, 61 00:04:36.009 --> 00:04:41.279 when you read Jeremiah, for example, that children of Israel spiritual stronghold 62 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.600 is, you know, the idols that they were given themselves to turn it 63 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.879 away from God and turn into idols and sacrifice in their children. Hey, 64 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.279 there's nothing new under the Sun. At the same thing as happening in our 65 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.670 country and nations across the earth, right, because again, this is a 66 00:04:55.829 --> 00:04:59.149 this is a spiritual battle. Yeah, yeah, and you face. You 67 00:04:59.230 --> 00:05:02.949 know, this morning I was listening to Albert Molar, I think is is, 68 00:05:03.269 --> 00:05:11.500 and and he was talking about how whenever legislation, particularly liberal legislation, 69 00:05:11.620 --> 00:05:16.939 cannot be passed that by through the channels it's supposed to be passed through, 70 00:05:16.939 --> 00:05:21.649 which is the legislative branch of the government, the Supreme Court passes, like 71 00:05:21.970 --> 00:05:29.970 in marriage, the marriage issue and abortion issue. And and so sometimes when 72 00:05:29.970 --> 00:05:32.329 you read the news and think about that, you know, the things that 73 00:05:32.449 --> 00:05:38.279 were in put in by our founding fathers to protect us. Yeah, are 74 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.959 they're not protecting yeah, because they're being still they're being used to for this 75 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:47.720 agenda that is an anti good agenda. Yeah, and so reading the news 76 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.430 even I was thinking this morning, you know, I want to be informed, 77 00:05:51.509 --> 00:05:58.269 I I do believe we should be informed, but it is increasingly depressing 78 00:05:58.430 --> 00:06:04.420 and discouraging because it feels like the pro death agenda is winning. Yeah, 79 00:06:04.699 --> 00:06:09.620 and that's sort of our first point. We see in the news. You 80 00:06:09.740 --> 00:06:13.860 know, I called the bad news. I'll listen to the bad news for 81 00:06:13.899 --> 00:06:15.139 a little bit, because it all, it is a bunch of bad news, 82 00:06:15.699 --> 00:06:20.410 and that stuff bombards our minds and we get we get discourage, we 83 00:06:20.529 --> 00:06:24.569 get hopeless in a sense. Right, yeah, and the world is gone, 84 00:06:24.970 --> 00:06:27.009 you know, for lack of a better turn to hell in the hand 85 00:06:27.089 --> 00:06:29.769 baskets, right. And what can we do about it? You know, 86 00:06:30.410 --> 00:06:35.199 and you see more and more of this culture of death sort of surrounding us 87 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:40.319 and sort of closing in, and it seems, if you didn't know the 88 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:45.879 Lord, like it's hopeless. Yeah, even even things that tie into abortion, 89 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:51.230 which is the sexual freedom and and that sexual immorality is is last as 90 00:06:51.550 --> 00:06:57.870 yea, that that that we should be talking about, abstinence, for example, 91 00:06:58.509 --> 00:07:02.819 is is laughed at. Yeah, and that can be so discouraging because 92 00:07:03.300 --> 00:07:11.139 we who are out there on the front lines of the the abortion, you 93 00:07:11.259 --> 00:07:15.620 know discussion, where they're in front of abortion centers and we see, I 94 00:07:15.660 --> 00:07:19.370 don't know, ninety percent of the abortions are a result of sexual immorality. 95 00:07:19.769 --> 00:07:24.370 So we under it. We know it is critical to if we're ever going 96 00:07:24.529 --> 00:07:29.290 to be effective as a nation, as a world and ending abortion. That 97 00:07:29.449 --> 00:07:31.920 has to be addressed. But the news, all all the events in the 98 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:40.879 world are they make fun of people who talk about sexual purity and and so 99 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.759 how do we deal with that, Daniel? How do we deal with with 100 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.230 reading and wanting to be informed, as I think we should be? Yeah, 101 00:07:46.550 --> 00:07:50.430 and facing, like you said, the bad news that is so discouraging. 102 00:07:50.550 --> 00:07:54.389 Yeah, I mean I know the temptation for me is just to completely 103 00:07:54.430 --> 00:07:58.230 ignore the news, yeah, and not listen or watch the news. And 104 00:07:58.310 --> 00:08:01.139 I don't really watch. I listen. If I get any news, it's 105 00:08:01.180 --> 00:08:05.860 on the radio or or even facebook. And you know, it keeps grolling, 106 00:08:05.939 --> 00:08:09.139 as you see something on facebook like this latest whatever that's come out, 107 00:08:09.259 --> 00:08:13.370 you know, pro abortion agenda moving forward in some area or whatever. It's 108 00:08:13.370 --> 00:08:16.649 like, keeps grolling. And one sense, you know, we need to 109 00:08:16.730 --> 00:08:18.930 be in the loop. We need to not just be in the dark when 110 00:08:18.930 --> 00:08:24.089 people mention stuff that's happen in the in the news. But one of the 111 00:08:24.209 --> 00:08:28.279 things I think that we we obviously we have to do to have to be 112 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.959 in the word. Absolutely have to be in God's word. We have to 113 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.440 be in God's word consistently. If we're consuming news and in the news outlets, 114 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.000 even if it's Fox News or whatever other news outlet that we're consuming, 115 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.629 and we have a focus on our minds, go there more than in the 116 00:08:43.669 --> 00:08:46.269 word of God. Maybe it will be just a good idea just to cut 117 00:08:46.309 --> 00:08:50.029 that stuff off, you know, and to not allowed the news of the 118 00:08:50.070 --> 00:08:54.549 world to bombard our minds. I've had seasons where I've just completely cut it 119 00:08:54.669 --> 00:08:58.500 off completely, don't don't listen. I'm going to I listen to MPR, 120 00:08:58.620 --> 00:09:03.940 believe it or not. Oh Wow, yeah, and it frustrates me and 121 00:09:03.139 --> 00:09:07.820 it makes me angry. Yeah, because it's very left leaning, it is. 122 00:09:09.059 --> 00:09:11.049 And and you know what, sometimes I just cut the stuff off. 123 00:09:11.250 --> 00:09:16.370 I'll go a week without listening to the news. And you know, even 124 00:09:16.409 --> 00:09:18.210 though we do need to be in the loop, I think in some sense 125 00:09:18.490 --> 00:09:22.889 we don't need to know everything, you know, and and I think this, 126 00:09:24.169 --> 00:09:28.000 this desire for to know everything, can be a trap for us, 127 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.440 you know. Yeah, yeah, you know. One of the scriptures that 128 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:33.879 you had, we made up a little list of some of the things that 129 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.679 we wanted to touch on, is Romans twelve too. Yeah, great scripture. 130 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:39.590 Do not make conformed of this world, but be transformed by the renewal 131 00:09:39.629 --> 00:09:43.309 of your mind that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, 132 00:09:43.389 --> 00:09:48.590 what is good and acceptable and perfect. And we renew our minds by 133 00:09:48.669 --> 00:09:52.590 being in the word of God. We do not renew our minds by being 134 00:09:52.669 --> 00:09:56.019 on facebook. We don't renew our minds by being watching Fox News, you 135 00:09:56.139 --> 00:10:00.259 know, for five hours a day or whatever, listening to the ready. 136 00:10:00.419 --> 00:10:03.620 We renew our mind by being in in the word of God, by being 137 00:10:05.740 --> 00:10:07.850 consistently in the word of God. I think in our personal devotion time we 138 00:10:07.970 --> 00:10:11.450 need to be in the word of God. But you know, as we're 139 00:10:11.450 --> 00:10:13.250 going down the road, even there's so many apps out there where you can 140 00:10:13.250 --> 00:10:16.690 get the word of God and have it playing over your radio or whatever. 141 00:10:16.889 --> 00:10:22.080 Just having our mind's renewed by the word of God is a key and not 142 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.440 being conformed of this world, you know, left leaning or right leaning or 143 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.120 whatever, news outlets and all these things. Ultimately, these are sources from 144 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.080 the world right and you're not going to get comfort from Fox News. You're 145 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.230 not going to get comfort from these other, you know, news outlets that 146 00:10:37.269 --> 00:10:41.549 might agree with your political persuasion, because again, it's just bad news. 147 00:10:41.710 --> 00:10:43.909 You know, it's just people throwing bombs at each other in the sense that 148 00:10:45.070 --> 00:10:50.740 you know, these just political attacks and your mind gets bombarded with political and 149 00:10:50.820 --> 00:10:56.659 political rhetoric and the politics that are surrounding the issue of abortion, rather than 150 00:10:56.700 --> 00:11:00.740 keeping your mind focused on this is a spiritual battle, this is a gospel 151 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:03.330 issue that's so important tonight. I don't know about you, but it is 152 00:11:03.769 --> 00:11:11.289 easy for me to throw away two, three hours scrolling through facebook or I'm 153 00:11:11.330 --> 00:11:13.690 not. I'm not a big news watcher. I don't watch television, but 154 00:11:13.850 --> 00:11:20.879 scrolling through news reports online or whatever, and I think that's one of Satan's 155 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:28.159 traps. Instead of opening up our bibles and dwelling on the word, we're 156 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:33.669 dwelling on these things of which will ultimately never say yeah, and and I 157 00:11:33.830 --> 00:11:37.710 think bring us down and do add to the discouragement. And I hear over 158 00:11:37.870 --> 00:11:46.309 and over again from from women who are at the abortion center or our contempting 159 00:11:46.309 --> 00:11:52.539 an abortion that they no longer can pray or they no longer can read their 160 00:11:52.580 --> 00:11:54.659 Bible, or they haven't been reading their motor they haven't been going to church. 161 00:11:54.740 --> 00:12:00.179 It it always seems to be there's this distancing from God, whether that's 162 00:12:00.340 --> 00:12:03.370 first or as a result of that, they're already in sin. I don't 163 00:12:03.370 --> 00:12:09.250 know, but but I if, if it's that distancing from God that is 164 00:12:09.450 --> 00:12:16.679 leading them into these terrible choices, obviously then the dwelling again back with God 165 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.039 is the antidote. Yeah, and what Satan would least want us to do. 166 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.759 Yeah, I know one of the encouragements I give, I give it 167 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.039 to our volunteers, I give it to anybody I can, and it's three 168 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.830 things, which is stay in the word, yes, stay in prayer and 169 00:12:31.029 --> 00:12:33.990 stay in church. Right, we need to be surrounded you. Paul says 170 00:12:35.429 --> 00:12:39.070 that we should encourage one another daily. As long as it's called today's we 171 00:12:39.149 --> 00:12:41.950 need to be encouraging each of you. Know, to encourage somebody is to 172 00:12:43.029 --> 00:12:46.940 take the courage that you haven't put it into them. You're encouraging your still 173 00:12:46.940 --> 00:12:48.980 encourage in that person. Yeah, and so, you know, an important 174 00:12:48.980 --> 00:12:56.779 aspect rather than just being surrounded by the news or being surrounded by even you 175 00:12:56.899 --> 00:13:00.289 know, with us we're dealing on a regular basis with pro abortion people and 176 00:13:00.690 --> 00:13:03.929 in their arguments and there the things that they say will kind of swirl around 177 00:13:03.970 --> 00:13:07.649 in my head and you know, being surrounded by that stuff and feeling like 178 00:13:07.769 --> 00:13:11.690 you have to give an answer for all that stuff all the time. Is 179 00:13:11.009 --> 00:13:15.600 Is it just it's overwhelming. HMM. Sometimes you just need to empty your 180 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:22.000 ear thoughts of of the arguments against the prolife position and against Christianity or whatever, 181 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.480 and just say, you know what the word of God says this, 182 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.669 and standing on the word of God is the key. Can't. You can't 183 00:13:28.710 --> 00:13:35.950 answer everybody's questions, you can't be the source of of Information and what is 184 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:39.429 truth for everybody, because some people just not going to be satisfied, you 185 00:13:39.549 --> 00:13:43.340 know. But the positive of that, which at least I've experienced, is 186 00:13:43.500 --> 00:13:46.379 if there are things thrown at me that, yes, they can be discouraging 187 00:13:46.500 --> 00:13:50.580 and to make you think, Oh, maybe I'm wrong, but it can 188 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:52.899 also spur you on, and should spurn you on, yeah, to go 189 00:13:54.059 --> 00:14:00.129 back into the word and to examine very carefully what God has to say and 190 00:14:00.490 --> 00:14:03.409 the the source of the hope that we have. You know, we kindle 191 00:14:03.490 --> 00:14:07.370 that, yeah, within us and I think that that's a the positive thing 192 00:14:07.490 --> 00:14:13.360 to do with with the terrible things that the socalled pro choice people throw at 193 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.759 us. Yeah, but but you know, another huge discouragement which we are 194 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:26.110 experiencing personally. Now is plan parenthood, huge giant? Talk about a giant 195 00:14:26.190 --> 00:14:30.590 and the boy talks about giants and how do we slay the giants in life? 196 00:14:30.629 --> 00:14:33.190 Well, this is a giant. Yeah, in the socalled pro choice. 197 00:14:33.230 --> 00:14:37.740 Certainly abortion world is is plan parenthood. And they're coming to Charlotte now. 198 00:14:37.779 --> 00:14:41.779 They've been in Charlotte, but not in in very small capacity and in 199 00:14:41.860 --> 00:14:48.980 the abortion capacity. And and they're coming with an abortion new abortion center and 200 00:14:48.220 --> 00:14:52.700 which opened. It's open, but I guess the starting abortion soon. So 201 00:14:52.370 --> 00:14:56.809 you know that it's kind of always in the back of my mind. There's 202 00:14:56.809 --> 00:15:03.250 already three abortion centers that were spreading ourselves then with with volunteers trying to cover 203 00:15:03.450 --> 00:15:09.240 and now this fourth. And this fourth one is the giant planned parenthood. 204 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:16.360 So and God clearly talks about how we respond to the giants in in our 205 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.990 life. So so maybe just being discouraged is not the proper yeah, funds. 206 00:15:22.429 --> 00:15:24.590 Maybe there's some more godly way to do it. That giant. Well, 207 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:28.230 I mean the rain. So certainly, you know, David wouldn't in 208 00:15:28.350 --> 00:15:31.669 denial, right, David didn't look at Goliath and say, you know, 209 00:15:31.750 --> 00:15:35.230 he's just a tiny little thing. He knew this guy was a giant. 210 00:15:35.269 --> 00:15:37.980 Yeah, and we see in our culture, we see in America the plant 211 00:15:39.019 --> 00:15:43.820 pairhood giant. But the abortion giant and and ultimately the political that, you 212 00:15:43.899 --> 00:15:46.580 know, the Paulo, the politics of abortion, all that stuff is a 213 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:50.850 big giant. It's a sort of a mountain, yeah, that we have 214 00:15:50.970 --> 00:15:52.690 to face. And they there's a lot of money, you know, Plant 215 00:15:52.730 --> 00:15:58.169 parenthood just as an example. I think this course, worldwide, the abortion 216 00:15:58.250 --> 00:16:02.850 giant is a political entity with, I mean, tens of millions of dollars. 217 00:16:02.889 --> 00:16:07.279 I think I heard on the news yesterday that they're going to put sixty 218 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.480 million dollars into North Carolina was one of the states. But some of these 219 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.039 battleground states they're going to pour, you know, just as one entity, 220 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.710 and this is only one entity that's going to be doing there's going to be 221 00:16:18.789 --> 00:16:21.909 a lot of other ones that are pouring. They're pouring fifty or sixty million 222 00:16:21.950 --> 00:16:26.870 dollars into these states, these battleground states, and in order to get their 223 00:16:26.429 --> 00:16:32.899 Democrat person elected. Yeah, it's like that just shows you this political thing, 224 00:16:32.980 --> 00:16:36.779 like cities for life, could never pour, you know, any money 225 00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:41.019 into into a political campaign. Nor would we, right. But but this 226 00:16:41.259 --> 00:16:45.059 thing has a political wing to it. It's got, of course, their 227 00:16:45.100 --> 00:16:48.210 abortion wing where they do abortions. It's got their outreach wing where they're going 228 00:16:48.370 --> 00:16:52.610 into there's going to be behind them. Yeah, I mean even if you 229 00:16:53.250 --> 00:16:57.570 read some of the stories about the exposing of Plan Parenthood and the trial that's 230 00:16:57.610 --> 00:17:02.720 going on in California, it's like, man, these people have got lawyers, 231 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.680 they've got all this and this is a giant and coming to come to 232 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:11.480 Charlotte. It's certainly, I believe, already had an influence in the city 233 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:17.069 council with the new sound ordinates. It's been passed here in Charlotte and it 234 00:17:17.309 --> 00:17:22.910 looks like they're going to have even more clout in the city council and who 235 00:17:22.950 --> 00:17:26.950 knows what sort of persuasion they'll have with the city council and trying to make, 236 00:17:26.069 --> 00:17:29.829 you know, probably a ultimate some kind of buffer zone or something like 237 00:17:29.990 --> 00:17:34.339 that. However, is a sling shot. Yeah, right, all have 238 00:17:34.660 --> 00:17:41.019 is a sling shot and five stones, right, but the encouragement is and 239 00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:45.089 I think that story is a cute little story, David and Goliath, you 240 00:17:45.130 --> 00:17:48.410 know, but it's actually a violent story and we're not people. We're not 241 00:17:48.450 --> 00:17:51.970 a people of violence at all. That we have a code of conduct. 242 00:17:52.009 --> 00:17:56.890 We have as we absolutely he's fellow no violence, right. But spiritually speaking, 243 00:17:56.970 --> 00:18:02.160 yeah, because this is a spiritual example for us. David was merciless 244 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.519 to that giant. He slew that giant. He had confidence in God. 245 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.000 He took the giant's head off and held it up for everybody to see. 246 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:15.990 Killed Him with his own sword. That is a miraculous event that that could 247 00:18:15.069 --> 00:18:19.670 not be orchestrated by man. That event, David Slang Goliath is not something 248 00:18:19.710 --> 00:18:23.190 that David you know, certainly God trained him in the Wilderness. You know, 249 00:18:23.309 --> 00:18:27.099 he's slaid a bear and a lion and he talks about how God had 250 00:18:27.380 --> 00:18:32.299 had trained him in one sense and in the wilderness. But he wasn't out, 251 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:34.019 you know, lifting iron and getting ready for the giant. He just 252 00:18:34.099 --> 00:18:37.579 sort of came upon this thing. You know, it sort of came upon 253 00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:41.609 him and it's yeah, but he was ready and he was confident. And 254 00:18:41.730 --> 00:18:44.890 here's the point. He was not confident in himself and his own ability. 255 00:18:45.410 --> 00:18:48.809 He was confident in the Lord. He says, the Lord will deliver this 256 00:18:48.970 --> 00:18:52.970 uncircumcised Philistine into my hand. Amen. And so when we, when we 257 00:18:53.089 --> 00:18:56.640 faced giants like plan parenthood, like the abortion industry and all of that. 258 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:03.920 We have to have this confidence in the Lord. We get off track when 259 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:06.799 we have the confidence in ourselves. You know, we've learned a lot. 260 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:08.839 Yeah, we I think we do good. And Sidewalk counseling, I think 261 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:11.710 we do well enough to where we can teach others. You know, with 262 00:19:11.829 --> 00:19:15.309 the with the sidewalks for life site, I think we're doing good and putting 263 00:19:15.390 --> 00:19:19.670 content out there right, but it's not a confidence in ourselves. It's things 264 00:19:19.710 --> 00:19:25.099 that we've learned by making mistakes and in prayer and seeking the Lord. How 265 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:27.900 can we do better, because we certainly made a lot of mistakes. Our 266 00:19:27.980 --> 00:19:33.180 confidence has to be in the Lord in whatever. You know, not just 267 00:19:33.259 --> 00:19:36.859 sidewalk counseling, but you know, pregnancy center is if you're reaching out and 268 00:19:36.980 --> 00:19:40.329 that way or, you know, maybe even politically, if you're involved in 269 00:19:40.410 --> 00:19:47.490 some political pro life organization or campus outreach, in a political or a in 270 00:19:47.609 --> 00:19:52.319 a pro life round, reaching out a campuses or whatever. We have to 271 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.079 have confidence in the Lord and this is why I believe that if we're going 272 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:02.559 to if we're going to fight this pro abortion giant, this the pro abortion 273 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:07.829 agenda, we can't do it just from a secular perspective. It's a spiritual 274 00:20:07.910 --> 00:20:11.190 battle. We've got to be in the world and we've got to use the 275 00:20:11.269 --> 00:20:14.789 word of God and we've got to be in prayer asking God for wisdom, 276 00:20:15.190 --> 00:20:18.309 and he can turn things around in the most amazing way. Yeah, absolutely. 277 00:20:18.509 --> 00:20:22.259 You know, look at the story with the Sound Ordinance. I mean 278 00:20:22.339 --> 00:20:27.700 that really is a great example of US facing what looked like a huge discouragement 279 00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:37.289 right we we had lost seemingly against the political forces of I won't say of 280 00:20:37.410 --> 00:20:41.809 evil, but that is what I believe. Yeah, and and lost the 281 00:20:41.930 --> 00:20:45.890 ability to use our amplified sound in front of abortion centers, and that was 282 00:20:45.930 --> 00:20:51.359 at such a great tool for us and we thought, Oh, this is 283 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:55.759 terrible. But God turned it around. Where will no one can use amplified 284 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.079 sound, including there for the pro choice people, and they could no longer 285 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:04.150 drown our voices out with their little radios and sound systems. They tucked under 286 00:21:04.150 --> 00:21:10.309 the umbrella and we found that we had an increased ability to reach the women. 287 00:21:10.390 --> 00:21:15.710 Who would have ever suspected that? How God can turn things that? 288 00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:18.259 You just would never expect. What I mean the picture of that is, 289 00:21:18.380 --> 00:21:22.980 you know, David Slang Goliath with his own disorder or chopping his head off 290 00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:26.259 with his own sword. It's like the instrument that he was going to use 291 00:21:26.420 --> 00:21:30.140 to destroy David David actually uses to finish him. Yeah, happens in the 292 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:36.049 book of Vester with Hayman, where Haydon wants to destroy Mordecai and and hates 293 00:21:36.170 --> 00:21:41.569 Moredecai the Jew and and and plots to do so and even a rex, 294 00:21:41.730 --> 00:21:45.690 the scaffold that he's going to end up hanging his enemy, Mordecai, and 295 00:21:45.849 --> 00:21:48.440 then through a series of read the book, If you haven't read the book 296 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:51.799 of Ester, two great book. But through a series of amazing events, 297 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:56.960 God turns that completely around and Hayman end up and suffing from his own gallery, 298 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.200 from his own gallows. Kind does that over and over again now. 299 00:22:00.549 --> 00:22:04.109 So just say there's no mistaken here. We're not talking about physical violence. 300 00:22:04.109 --> 00:22:07.630 I'm talking about a spiritual battle that wean and that's something we always have to 301 00:22:07.710 --> 00:22:11.509 keep before eyes, because there can be with people, when you get so 302 00:22:11.750 --> 00:22:17.859 frustrated and you're facing this giant, there can be, out of that frustration, 303 00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:21.859 this just natural anger. Yeah, but the Bible tells us that the 304 00:22:21.900 --> 00:22:25.500 anger of a man does not produce the righteousness of God. So if we're 305 00:22:25.539 --> 00:22:29.619 just angry, and that's why we encourage our our volunteers and encourage each other 306 00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:33.170 to and regular basis is this is this is a spiritual battle, not a 307 00:22:33.250 --> 00:22:37.329 natural battle, and are driving force cannot be hatred. Even as evil as 308 00:22:37.369 --> 00:22:41.369 abortion is and evil as the abortion agenda is, and it evils plant parent, 309 00:22:41.410 --> 00:22:48.319 who is we cannot be driven by hatred for those things. We certainly 310 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.359 should hate evil, but we're not called to hate people. Were called to 311 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.440 to ultimately proclaim the Gospel and our desires that people come into the Kingdom of 312 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:02.470 God right and there have been locally here we've seen abortion workers come, come 313 00:23:02.549 --> 00:23:04.549 to know the Lord and come out of the industry. Of course, nationally 314 00:23:04.670 --> 00:23:07.710 we know there are people like Abby Johnson and other people that were in plant 315 00:23:07.750 --> 00:23:11.789 parent whood that have come out. And so so God's doing a work there 316 00:23:12.180 --> 00:23:17.099 in this giant and ultimately, you know, I don't know how it's going 317 00:23:17.099 --> 00:23:23.220 to play out right, but the Lord Somehow has has David's and and they're 318 00:23:23.259 --> 00:23:27.529 all over the United States of America, as there are giants all over, 319 00:23:29.170 --> 00:23:32.289 and God's going to turn this thing around and God's going to use, use 320 00:23:32.329 --> 00:23:34.089 what the enemy meant for evil and turn it around for good. Yeah, 321 00:23:34.170 --> 00:23:38.849 and you know, just sort of an example of that is with the the 322 00:23:40.210 --> 00:23:45.319 trial that's going on from the David d'lia is because, name who did the 323 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.000 exposing of parenthood and they're selling baby parts and all of that. Well, 324 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:52.519 as they're going through, he's on trial right for for whatever law he supposedly 325 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:59.390 violated, like provacy law or something like that. Let's go wire tap. 326 00:23:59.549 --> 00:24:02.309 I think it's something. I think that's on it. Yeah, and but 327 00:24:02.549 --> 00:24:07.789 in that trial it's like what plan parent whood is doing and actually selling baby 328 00:24:07.869 --> 00:24:11.220 parts and all the things that they are doing behind the scenes. All that's 329 00:24:11.259 --> 00:24:15.579 coming out to it's been further exposed exactly. So was like okay, yeah, 330 00:24:15.700 --> 00:24:18.420 so that that just reminds us keep our focus on the Lord. That's 331 00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:23.450 right, keep our eyes fixed on him and ultimately we put our trust in 332 00:24:23.490 --> 00:24:26.809 him and God's gonna God's going to be glorified. Right. Right, and 333 00:24:27.009 --> 00:24:30.970 sometimes you do feel all alone, you said, you know, there you 334 00:24:30.049 --> 00:24:33.890 feel like you're you're just David standing there alone. Yeah, against the giant, 335 00:24:33.970 --> 00:24:41.319 and I know for me, you know, sometimes I'm discouraged because I'm 336 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:48.000 sitting in Church and and there's discussions about all kinds of groups that we should 337 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.829 be helping and how we as Christians need to be addressing but I so rarely 338 00:24:52.990 --> 00:24:57.990 hear abortion. Yeah, I mentioned and. And so sometimes those in or 339 00:24:59.069 --> 00:25:07.779 even you'll see other pro life groups put down or other Christians put down those 340 00:25:07.900 --> 00:25:15.220 who are very active on the front lines of the pro life movement, like 341 00:25:15.259 --> 00:25:18.539 like us on the sidewalk at yeah, as know that you should not be 342 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:21.569 doing that and you can really feel, I think, if you're, if 343 00:25:21.609 --> 00:25:25.809 you're active in the pro life movement, I think you can feel isolated even 344 00:25:26.009 --> 00:25:32.369 from who you expect to be supportive Yellow Christians. And you know, we're 345 00:25:32.369 --> 00:25:37.319 sitting in Church and wondering why isn't they're more being said from the pulpit and 346 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.680 and I think that that for me personally, that that has been a source 347 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.960 of discouragement. Yeah, just wondering where is, where is where all these 348 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.079 people who claim to love the Lord? Yeah, and the Lord, I 349 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.029 think, just as so clear and calling us to protect those who cannot protect 350 00:25:52.029 --> 00:25:56.430 themselves, who can't speak for themselves, who are vulnerable, who are being 351 00:25:56.470 --> 00:26:03.549 led away to death. Why aren't Christians they're in droves speaking out against this, 352 00:26:03.630 --> 00:26:07.740 this terrible evil. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm certainly I believe 353 00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:11.900 that we're dealing with the number one moral issue of our day. I tell 354 00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:17.099 the agree. Yeah, and you wonder you're in church and the pastor addresses 355 00:26:17.140 --> 00:26:18.809 this thing, adds is that thing. There's a lot of injustice is going 356 00:26:18.849 --> 00:26:22.049 on, there's no doubt about it. There's you, abortion is not the 357 00:26:22.170 --> 00:26:26.690 only issue that the church has to deal with. We're first and foremost supposed 358 00:26:26.690 --> 00:26:29.970 to advance the Kingdom of God and proclaim the God ass right, and of 359 00:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.079 course that's what we do on the sidewalks. We're proclaiming the Gospel where we're 360 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.079 trying to call people to come and put their trust in the Lord, not 361 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.599 just a quote, just saving babies. Right, but if we're dealing with 362 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.799 the number one moral issue of the day and it's not being address from the 363 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.150 pulpit, that can be a source of discouragement, especially when you're passionate about 364 00:26:49.230 --> 00:26:53.829 this, this issue of abortion, because you have some connection to it or 365 00:26:53.869 --> 00:26:57.710 just the Lord stirred your heart. When you're passionate about something and you're looking 366 00:26:57.750 --> 00:27:02.180 around and you're seeing other people that are not passionate about this thing. It 367 00:27:02.259 --> 00:27:04.500 can be discouraging. Yeah, and you you can start to get disillusioned. 368 00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:10.460 You know, disillusionment. I have over the years observed a great amount of 369 00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:14.740 disillusionment from people who are involved, especially in reach out an abortion clinics, 370 00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:18.569 doing sidewall council, disillusionment with the Church because where is the church? Disillusionment 371 00:27:18.569 --> 00:27:22.529 with their pastor because he doesn't talk about the issue of abortion. And you 372 00:27:22.650 --> 00:27:26.650 know, one of the things that we have to understand, and one of 373 00:27:26.650 --> 00:27:29.769 the things I remind myself, is I wasn't always in this battle either, 374 00:27:29.809 --> 00:27:33.480 right, you know, if you've only been in prolife ministry for a couple 375 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.920 of years, and you know I've been in pro life ministry for fifteen years, 376 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.880 but before that, you know, I was a believer and believed abortion 377 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.390 was wrong, but I was not involved in this level. You know, 378 00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:47.670 you need to give other people the same grace that that you want them to 379 00:27:47.789 --> 00:27:51.549 give you, first and foremost. That's a good point. Yeah, another 380 00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:56.589 thing is to you know, there's genuinely there people who just don't understand. 381 00:27:56.670 --> 00:28:00.460 They just don't know the gravity of the problem. They you know, I 382 00:28:00.619 --> 00:28:04.819 talked to Christians that have lived in Charlotte their whole life and they have no 383 00:28:06.019 --> 00:28:08.299 clue that there's an abortion clinic. Actually, I was just over the window 384 00:28:08.299 --> 00:28:12.289 of abortion clinic today and a young lady stopped on our way out and she 385 00:28:12.369 --> 00:28:15.049 wrote on her windows. She saw my sign and it was a picture of 386 00:28:15.089 --> 00:28:18.329 a baby that was, say, from abortion, and she was like, 387 00:28:18.650 --> 00:28:22.009 that happens here, she said, I didn't think they even had those anymore, 388 00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:23.410 though, met abors and clinics. I said yeah, it happens right 389 00:28:23.450 --> 00:28:26.640 in this building, right here, and she was surprised. Yeah, Um, 390 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.799 so, you know, give people grace, give people, you know, 391 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.519 the the the same grace that you want to that you want to be 392 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.559 given to. Yeah, that's true. It's true. I've had so many 393 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.599 new volunteers that, as they stand and when they watch the women streaming into 394 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:45.869 the abortion clinic, they say, I had no idea. It's one thing 395 00:28:45.069 --> 00:28:52.750 to hear about it, but to see it it you understand this is a 396 00:28:52.029 --> 00:28:57.019 much bigger problem. Yeah then, I then I thought, so, so 397 00:28:59.019 --> 00:29:03.220 what's you know? I've got a verse that that to me really spoke to 398 00:29:03.339 --> 00:29:07.339 this very issue. Romans one hundred and twenty five. I ask then, 399 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:11.890 has God rejected as people by no means, for I myself am an Israelita, 400 00:29:11.930 --> 00:29:15.609 descended of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has 401 00:29:15.650 --> 00:29:18.009 not rejected as people who he for knew. Do you know what the Scripture 402 00:29:18.009 --> 00:29:22.849 says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? Lord, they 403 00:29:22.890 --> 00:29:26.240 have killed your prophet, they have Demoli List your altars, and I alone 404 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:32.440 am left and they seek my life. I always, I've always related to 405 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.279 that cry, because sometimes you do feel all along. Yeah, and but 406 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:41.910 what is the elijahmental light? Is it called that? There's I've heard it 407 00:29:41.990 --> 00:29:45.910 called that, actually, and I've heard messages about that very thing, because 408 00:29:45.950 --> 00:29:52.029 you feel like, especially when you're in a battle that's this heated, intense, 409 00:29:52.150 --> 00:29:55.380 and in this intense it's like, man, I'm the only person fighting 410 00:29:55.420 --> 00:30:00.099 this bat yeah, at, which is incredibly discouraging when you're solitary, when 411 00:30:00.099 --> 00:30:03.099 you're you feel alone. There's no one here helping me, but God's reply 412 00:30:03.259 --> 00:30:07.970 to him. I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed 413 00:30:08.210 --> 00:30:11.210 the need to be out. So too, at the present time, there 414 00:30:11.289 --> 00:30:17.170 is a remnant chosen by grace. There are people, they that that are 415 00:30:17.450 --> 00:30:21.130 with you. Yeah, and in this battle and you're yeah, I mean 416 00:30:21.250 --> 00:30:23.880 even to you know, we do have to understand that pro life ministry, 417 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.000 even though I believe this is the number one moral issue of our day in 418 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:33.440 our country, certainly is. Not Everybody is. This is a this is 419 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:34.559 a cop out for a lot of people. I'm not called to that. 420 00:30:34.990 --> 00:30:38.190 The genuinely not everybody is called to be on the front lines. Right, 421 00:30:38.470 --> 00:30:42.029 there are those who are called to be missionaries in other countries. There those 422 00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:45.869 who are called to do other things. Now, certainly, I believe that 423 00:30:45.910 --> 00:30:48.390 there are more people that are actually called to be on the front lines and 424 00:30:48.509 --> 00:30:52.700 are out there. Certainly, but you know, over the years, when 425 00:30:52.740 --> 00:30:56.619 I first started coming out to the latrobe abortion clinic, you fifteen years ago, 426 00:30:56.740 --> 00:31:00.980 fourteen almost fifteen years ago, there was a handful of Christians out there. 427 00:31:00.099 --> 00:31:03.740 Yeah, and there have been times where would just be me and one 428 00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:06.730 other guy, right. I'm sure there would be times whenever, you know, 429 00:31:06.730 --> 00:31:08.089 I wouldn't able to make it in, there just be one or two 430 00:31:08.089 --> 00:31:11.529 people out there and you know, start to wonder, like they're all these 431 00:31:11.569 --> 00:31:15.809 churches, one thousand hundred churches in the Greater Charlotte area. Where are these 432 00:31:15.890 --> 00:31:21.000 people? Yeah, and by God's grace, though, just kind of maintaining 433 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.400 and it just saying, you know what, like Joshua, as for me 434 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.960 and my house, we will serve the Lord. We have to make a 435 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.599 decision. We can't. We can't do right for everybody else. We can't 436 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:36.069 make people do right. We can't Nag people into doing right, as are 437 00:31:36.109 --> 00:31:38.869 only right if we have a whole group of and only do right when everybody 438 00:31:38.910 --> 00:31:41.190 else is with us. Now, right now, you have to decide. 439 00:31:41.269 --> 00:31:45.430 You know what. As for me and my house, we will serve the 440 00:31:45.470 --> 00:31:48.859 Lord. We're going to do this work and then God, if, if, 441 00:31:48.019 --> 00:31:52.019 if, he so chooses and if people surrendered to his will, God 442 00:31:52.059 --> 00:31:56.500 will bring people along, and God certainly, did you know cities for life 443 00:31:56.579 --> 00:32:01.529 came along and Love Life, love life ultimately comes long to the point where 444 00:32:02.009 --> 00:32:05.930 you know, the first love life, the final prayer walk of the first 445 00:32:05.930 --> 00:32:09.769 year that they did. There were four thousand Christians there. I mean never 446 00:32:09.970 --> 00:32:14.609 we weep. We weeped. It's like, Oh man, I'll started ball 447 00:32:14.650 --> 00:32:16.559 and went up on the stage and looked out across that crowd. I was 448 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:20.319 supposed to share at quick word or something, and I was like, I 449 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.119 just went down on my knees and just wept like God, this is this 450 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.880 has taken it's been a long time coming. Yeah, but you're doing a 451 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.910 work and God said you doing a work. God's doing a work, not 452 00:32:30.069 --> 00:32:32.670 just you know, here in Charlotte. God's doing a work around the country. 453 00:32:34.230 --> 00:32:37.390 We have to do the best we can to to see the good. 454 00:32:37.789 --> 00:32:39.509 Yeah, and you know, as far as you pastors are concerned, you 455 00:32:39.589 --> 00:32:44.230 maybe you're in a church and your pastor doesn't ever address the issue of abortion. 456 00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:50.299 You know, it might be time to address your pastor on that and 457 00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:52.740 to talk to him and be like Hey, this is, I believe, 458 00:32:52.819 --> 00:32:54.859 one of the number one, if not the number one, moral issue of 459 00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:58.650 our day. Why aren't you talking about this? Yeah, and if you 460 00:32:58.769 --> 00:33:01.650 get an answer where you know it's just like well, this is this is 461 00:33:01.730 --> 00:33:06.529 just a political issue, then of course you know, with grace, answer 462 00:33:06.690 --> 00:33:13.799 that and talk to that. But you can't be in a congregation where a 463 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.119 pastor is going to be in a sense, opposing what you're what you're doing. 464 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.599 You're doing the work of God. It might be time to seek the 465 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.079 Lord and find another place to get plugged into. Yeah, I would say 466 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:29.390 that would that would be my last sort of last thing I would do. 467 00:33:29.430 --> 00:33:31.190 I would want to talk to the pastor first and see why he's not addressing 468 00:33:31.269 --> 00:33:35.589 this issue. You know, a lot of pastors are just, I don't 469 00:33:35.630 --> 00:33:39.190 know scared is the right word, but you know they're a pastor's heart is 470 00:33:39.230 --> 00:33:43.420 a shepherd's heart. He wants to shepherd his people. He don't want to 471 00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:45.220 beat him over the head with a with his shepherd's crook. He wants to 472 00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:50.380 lead them and to guide them. And some pastors know they have post aboard 473 00:33:50.380 --> 00:33:52.940 of women in their congregation and they don't want to hit this issue hard because 474 00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:55.769 they don't want these women to feel like, you know, they're they're not 475 00:33:55.930 --> 00:34:00.650 Christians or they've done the worst thing possible. I mean it's terrible, but 476 00:34:00.730 --> 00:34:05.690 it's not the unforgivable sin. Yeah, and so you know, understand where 477 00:34:05.690 --> 00:34:08.010 your pastors coming from, and that is helpful. Of course. We know 478 00:34:08.610 --> 00:34:12.519 that the best thing that a pastor can do is he if he has a 479 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.480 post aboard of woman in his congregation, more than likely, as more than 480 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.679 plenty of multipactly. Yeah, of course, just to statistics is to address 481 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.349 the issue of abortion. Address the issue of abortion with grace, but with 482 00:34:23.510 --> 00:34:28.630 truth, because a person doesn't get healing until they've first acknowledge they have a 483 00:34:28.789 --> 00:34:31.429 disease. Right, you know? Right. Yeah, I think he raised 484 00:34:31.829 --> 00:34:37.030 again another really important point and that kind of takes me to another issue of 485 00:34:37.190 --> 00:34:42.659 discouragement. When you said they they don't want to offend. Rightly so, 486 00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:47.460 to some degree we don't want to offend, not purposely, because if if 487 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:53.090 a pastor offends this whole group of post aboard of women and they leave, 488 00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:57.969 well then what for them? They need the church. So it's a I 489 00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:02.730 understand there's a balance, yeah, in how you address difficult social issues, 490 00:35:05.090 --> 00:35:07.920 but the flip side of that, which is the source of discouragement, is 491 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:15.880 we hear all the time that we're not tolerant or that we're judgmental. And 492 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.590 and tolerant is like the the I think I called that the anthem of our 493 00:35:21.670 --> 00:35:30.710 times. Yeah, these tolerant is more important than than any absolute standard of 494 00:35:30.909 --> 00:35:36.579 right or wrong, and to me I will sometimes be on that sidewalk and 495 00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:44.260 and speaking with with what I know, I know it's true, and these 496 00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:50.690 people coming back at me you're just being judgmental, you're just intolerant, when 497 00:35:50.809 --> 00:35:54.449 what I'm saying is, first of all based on scripture. But but that 498 00:35:54.690 --> 00:36:00.650 a mother shouldn't kill her baby. Yeah, and sometimes I'm like, how 499 00:36:00.690 --> 00:36:06.599 can this even be a point of contention? Yeah, so well, know, 500 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:08.639 one of the things I'll say, just going from the last point and 501 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.079 about sort of feeling isolated in the church context. You know, I will 502 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:19.590 say this an ill stress this every time I get the opportunity. Every Christian 503 00:36:19.710 --> 00:36:22.869 needs to be in church, needs to be in the within the accountability of 504 00:36:22.909 --> 00:36:27.230 a local church, under Godly leadership and all of that. Yeah, but 505 00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:30.110 there is in the modern church and in the world, of course, this 506 00:36:30.349 --> 00:36:36.420 idea that the worst thing we could possibly do is be judgmental and the worst 507 00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:39.619 way that we can carry ourselves is to be perceived as judgmental, which is 508 00:36:39.739 --> 00:36:44.460 ridiculous. Right, when people we're dealing with the number one moral issue of 509 00:36:44.539 --> 00:36:50.329 our day, when people are literally dying, to worry about the world's perception? 510 00:36:50.409 --> 00:36:53.210 I think that's that's some of the fear that some pastors have, as 511 00:36:53.250 --> 00:36:57.769 they don't want to be perceived by the world as being judgmental. Right, 512 00:36:57.849 --> 00:37:00.519 we're going to be inviting, I'm going to be perceived as tolerant, but 513 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.760 the scripture doesn't give us the ability to tolerate things that God does not tolerate. 514 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.920 God does not tolerate sin, God does not tolerate in the word tolerance, 515 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.480 you know you can play with that word. We need to be I 516 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:17.150 don't even know, I don't even like the word tolerant. But we need 517 00:37:17.230 --> 00:37:21.389 to be understanding of people. We need to meet people where they're at. 518 00:37:21.469 --> 00:37:23.670 Paul says, you know, I've become all things to all people. Basically, 519 00:37:23.670 --> 00:37:27.829 he saying I'm meet people where they're at. He doesn't mean he compromise 520 00:37:27.909 --> 00:37:30.940 truth, but he met people where they were at. We need to meet 521 00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:32.699 people where they're at. Yeah, certainly. You know, I've heard people's 522 00:37:32.860 --> 00:37:37.820 you know, pastors say, or Christians. I don't you know, I 523 00:37:37.900 --> 00:37:39.980 don't want any homosexuals in my church. You know, if homosexual comes in 524 00:37:40.059 --> 00:37:43.940 my church, I'll disinvite them. I'm like no, you want them in 525 00:37:44.059 --> 00:37:46.250 your church to hear the truth. I'm not going to allow them to be 526 00:37:46.449 --> 00:37:49.929 playing on the on the worship team. I'm not going to invite them into 527 00:37:49.929 --> 00:37:52.289 membership until they've turned from their sin and put their trust in Jesus. But 528 00:37:52.409 --> 00:37:55.489 we certainly want to be tolerant of people. We want to be in the 529 00:37:55.570 --> 00:38:00.880 sense that we meet them where they're at. We hear what their concerns are, 530 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.519 we hear what their struggles are. I actually enjoy on a regular basis 531 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.000 talking to the pro abortion people in front of the the abortion clinic and in 532 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.480 here and there their struggles and hear in their life stories and hear and how 533 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.550 they came to the conclusion that they came to. Yeah, I actually listening 534 00:38:15.030 --> 00:38:21.670 to them. Yeah, but also we have to understand as believers we are 535 00:38:21.789 --> 00:38:28.099 called to make judgments about behavior. If we look at abortion and the destructive 536 00:38:28.179 --> 00:38:32.579 nature of abortion, we're not judgmental in saying this thing is destructive, it's 537 00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:37.659 sinful and it's wrong. We're not judgmental in the sense we're right and people 538 00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:42.650 off, and we're not intolerant as far as of the people. We're just 539 00:38:42.809 --> 00:38:46.489 looking at behavior and we've saying this behavior is is wrong. I wrote down 540 00:38:46.530 --> 00:38:52.969 some verses that that speak to to what you just said. First, Corinthians 541 00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:55.440 six, two to three. Yeah, it is a great one, right, 542 00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:00.199 or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And 543 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.119 if the world is and who are the saints? US? Yeah, the 544 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.559 the people who have claimed Jesus as Lord and if the world is to be 545 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.590 judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not 546 00:39:09.829 --> 00:39:15.590 know that we are to judge angels? How much more than matters pertaining to 547 00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:20.469 this life? So get you know, God tells us where we are to 548 00:39:20.590 --> 00:39:23.070 judge and we're and he has prepared us to judge, and our judgment is 549 00:39:23.190 --> 00:39:29.940 based on on scripture and on the Holy Spirit within us, that that will 550 00:39:29.980 --> 00:39:34.820 guide us into all righteousness. We know right from wrong. I just heard 551 00:39:34.820 --> 00:39:39.010 a news report about I can't remember what native American tribe it was, may 552 00:39:39.130 --> 00:39:43.849 in or Inkne, one of those from and I honestly don't remember, but 553 00:39:44.690 --> 00:39:53.639 they had just found a burial site of thousands of infants sacrificed to the false 554 00:39:53.760 --> 00:40:00.320 God in response to the natural weather disasters of the time. Is what they 555 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:06.280 said. Anna and I cried as I was listening to this and picture neck. 556 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.269 They described this burial side and they described the they there were footprints which 557 00:40:10.269 --> 00:40:15.630 were in the in the rock that had been fossilized. Yeah, of parents, 558 00:40:15.909 --> 00:40:22.340 apparent footprints, large footprints and little footprints. So they were literally walking 559 00:40:22.059 --> 00:40:25.860 these these babies to the well. I don't know if they were babies, 560 00:40:25.900 --> 00:40:30.539 but infants, young young people to to be sacrificed. And then there was 561 00:40:30.619 --> 00:40:36.210 evidence in the skeletal structure of these, of the the remains, that they 562 00:40:36.289 --> 00:40:42.409 found that the way that the ribs had been wrenched open that they had been 563 00:40:42.449 --> 00:40:46.849 attempting to pull out the heart. And I have read of living children as 564 00:40:46.889 --> 00:40:52.320 a sacrifice to the gods. I think you take that to any socalled pro 565 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:57.400 choice person and you say, is this right or is this wrong? Yeah, 566 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.639 the is there anyone except an absolute sociopath that would say this is right, 567 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.590 this is okay, this is their choice. It's their culture, you 568 00:41:07.710 --> 00:41:13.190 know, it's was. It was their culture and and I wondered, did 569 00:41:13.389 --> 00:41:17.980 anyone stand up? Yeah, did anyone stand up and say this is wrong? 570 00:41:20.420 --> 00:41:24.420 And that's how I feel now. We need we need to be those 571 00:41:24.940 --> 00:41:31.219 who, despite all the lies and deceptions of the socalled pro choice movements, 572 00:41:31.300 --> 00:41:37.769 say a mother should not kill her baby. I know that to be right. 573 00:41:38.289 --> 00:41:45.809 We all know that to be right. And rationalize and justify evil and 574 00:41:45.929 --> 00:41:47.920 you're wrong. Yeah, it's funny, you know what? That whole idea 575 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.559 of don't be judgmental and don't be intolerants, like the whole thing we're asking 576 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.239 people not to kill their children and the whole thing is turned around like the 577 00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.159 evil ones are the people that are asking for the MOM's not to kill their 578 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.750 children's, asking for society to repent of this, this embracing of evil. 579 00:42:04.829 --> 00:42:07.469 Exactly, is exactly like one of the problems, I believe, is Jeremiah, 580 00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:12.230 who to you who call good evil and evil good. It's like it's 581 00:42:12.510 --> 00:42:15.630 this thing is turned on its head. Yeah, just this morning one of 582 00:42:15.670 --> 00:42:20.780 the socalled pro choice people turn to one of the other people who are out 583 00:42:20.780 --> 00:42:22.940 there who actually is not with cities for life, but but said here you 584 00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:28.659 are, another day of harassment coming up. And I said, do you 585 00:42:28.820 --> 00:42:34.889 not have compassion on these babies? Yeah, and and do you not see 586 00:42:35.050 --> 00:42:37.690 this? It, this is not harassment, this is speaking up out of 587 00:42:37.809 --> 00:42:43.449 compassion and for those unborn babies. And then it turned into the argument they 588 00:42:43.489 --> 00:42:45.639 were not a baby, which is, you know, we don't need to 589 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:53.079 get into that room now. But but you know, another another, huge, 590 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.119 huge source of discouragement, which I think we've kind of alluded to, 591 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.750 is so we're out there and many people in all walks of the pro life 592 00:43:01.789 --> 00:43:08.030 movement and all facets of it. Yeah, Sharing Biblical truth, Sharing Human 593 00:43:08.110 --> 00:43:13.860 Development Truth, which we we know now so much more than than when Rob 594 00:43:14.059 --> 00:43:20.900 Wade was was passed by the Supreme Court. And and we personally, as 595 00:43:20.980 --> 00:43:24.300 sidewalk counselors, even go another step and offer resources to these women. And 596 00:43:25.019 --> 00:43:30.969 they still choose death. Yeah, we've done all we know to do. 597 00:43:30.449 --> 00:43:35.369 Yeah, and they still choose death. Yeah, I mean that's man, 598 00:43:35.489 --> 00:43:39.449 that's that's stuff we I've literally seen, we've had in ministry. You know, 599 00:43:39.530 --> 00:43:45.440 I'm one story in particular, a mom of eighteen week old baby who 600 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.039 is on the RV and I don't know if you were one of the counselors. 601 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.480 Don't recall exactly who was the counsel, but they own them. The 602 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.869 moultrasound. You Right Front of the abortion clinic and saw their baby on the 603 00:43:54.909 --> 00:44:00.349 ultrasound and then stepped right off that RV and went right into that abortion clinic 604 00:44:00.429 --> 00:44:04.309 and kill that eighteen week old baby, and an Asian. Everything was visible. 605 00:44:04.349 --> 00:44:06.550 I mean in eighteen weeks, you know, you can find out whether 606 00:44:06.590 --> 00:44:08.630 it's a boy or girl. Yeah, and all of that, and it's 607 00:44:08.670 --> 00:44:13.940 like, man, they poured everything in to this young lady, showed her 608 00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:16.860 all the resources are available, like there is no good reason for you to 609 00:44:16.980 --> 00:44:22.179 go in there and kill your child, and she did. We have come 610 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.570 searchs when they'll say you going to raise my baby and we have a consort. 611 00:44:24.650 --> 00:44:28.769 Just this past week right the said yes, yes, I really, 612 00:44:28.849 --> 00:44:32.050 yeah, and and and and Ye. Still yet they cheese will go and 613 00:44:32.210 --> 00:44:37.170 have abortions. And ultimately it comes down to people have to make you know, 614 00:44:37.449 --> 00:44:40.360 have to. They have to make the decision. You've talked about pro 615 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.840 choice. We can't, literally can't, force them to do the right thing. 616 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.639 Yeah, we have at our disposal the power of persuasion and, I 617 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.909 believe God's word and the resources and the things that we offer human development, 618 00:44:52.949 --> 00:44:55.949 all those things are are or what we use within that power of persuasion. 619 00:44:57.030 --> 00:45:01.630 But ultimately it's between that mom and the Lord what she does. Yeah, 620 00:45:02.030 --> 00:45:05.510 we can't force her to do the right thing. Now, we want to 621 00:45:05.550 --> 00:45:08.179 do everything we can and we're not justifying abortion. We're not offering abortion, 622 00:45:08.260 --> 00:45:12.460 of course, as an option. Laying out your available options here. Yeah, 623 00:45:12.500 --> 00:45:15.420 but the fact of the matter is now, speaking to epiaks the other 624 00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:19.460 day about about this very thing, she's coming out of the abortion clinic and 625 00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:23.289 and she was trying to justify abortion and all of this. And you know, 626 00:45:23.409 --> 00:45:29.449 she talked about, you know, how we don't stand against the death 627 00:45:29.530 --> 00:45:31.730 penalty and all these things. She's going great, yeah, kind of around 628 00:45:31.730 --> 00:45:37.119 the loop there. And she said a women have her to choose to do 629 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:38.320 what they want, even if you think it's wrong. And you know, 630 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:42.000 God gives us so, she says, she's a God gives people the right 631 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:46.519 to choose. Yes, I said, the reality is you are correct about 632 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.710 that. A mother of a three year old has a right to choose before 633 00:45:52.789 --> 00:45:55.630 the Lord. I don't mean right like legally, but I mean like God 634 00:45:55.750 --> 00:46:00.949 gives her the free will to choose. She could slip that three year olds 635 00:46:00.989 --> 00:46:02.590 or if you want to could she choose to do that? Yes, she 636 00:46:02.750 --> 00:46:07.340 could choose to do that. Right, she's going to suffer the consequences. 637 00:46:07.820 --> 00:46:10.500 Some people use this, this idea that we have this this freedom to choose 638 00:46:10.539 --> 00:46:15.059 as free will as like. Okay, well, since God is given me 639 00:46:15.099 --> 00:46:16.739 free will, therefore he's okay with everything that I choose to do with that 640 00:46:16.820 --> 00:46:20.650 free will. No, not at all. As a matter of fact, 641 00:46:20.730 --> 00:46:23.090 the things that you do out of your own volition are the things that you're 642 00:46:23.090 --> 00:46:28.250 going to be held accountable before, before the Lord form. So a mother 643 00:46:28.329 --> 00:46:30.250 that chooses to kill her three year old, or mother that chooses to kill 644 00:46:30.289 --> 00:46:35.440 her, you know, three month old in the womb, is going to 645 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.760 be accountable to God. Yes, she's not been given you under God's law. 646 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:43.400 God's law clearly says a sixth commandment, you shall not murder. Right. 647 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.230 So God has not given her the old Kay or the right, so 648 00:46:46.429 --> 00:46:51.630 to speak, legal right, but she's been given the ability to choose. 649 00:46:52.309 --> 00:46:55.590 And and just because she has that ability to choose, its not mean God 650 00:46:55.670 --> 00:47:00.269 is okay with what she chooses. Right, and as much as we want 651 00:47:00.070 --> 00:47:05.420 one of the things that we we struggle with us. I counselors and and 652 00:47:05.500 --> 00:47:07.820 I'm sure people in pregnancy centers. My Wife Works and in a couple of 653 00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:12.099 pregnancy centers and and deals with the same thing, and anybody, I think, 654 00:47:12.219 --> 00:47:15.329 who deals with the issue of abortion, where we sort of blame ourselves. 655 00:47:15.489 --> 00:47:19.210 We didn't say things just right and we didn't do just the right thing, 656 00:47:19.449 --> 00:47:22.610 or or whatever it might be, and it's like, you know, 657 00:47:22.769 --> 00:47:25.730 you just can't say everything just right. You never know exactly what to say 658 00:47:25.809 --> 00:47:30.239 and you you never know exactly what's going to change. This MOM's mind. 659 00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:34.760 And you could even say those things exactly right and and just the right time 660 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.559 and just the right amount of focusing on whatever point, and she could still 661 00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:44.239 choose to get the stable because ultimately it's a spiritual battle. Ultimately it is 662 00:47:44.389 --> 00:47:49.150 a battle between the spiritual forces of good versus evil. Yeah, and and 663 00:47:49.750 --> 00:47:52.829 and we give ourselves, I think, too much credit and too much blame. 664 00:47:52.949 --> 00:47:55.309 Yeah, sometimes, and you know, we don't save a soul right, 665 00:47:55.510 --> 00:48:00.059 it's God who saves and God who changes their heart. There there's a 666 00:48:00.099 --> 00:48:02.699 verse that that I think, has helped me. Second Corinthians, for for 667 00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:07.940 in their case, the god of this world, being Satan, has blinded 668 00:48:08.059 --> 00:48:12.539 the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the Gospel, 669 00:48:12.579 --> 00:48:15.530 of the Glory of Christ, who is the image of God. So 670 00:48:15.570 --> 00:48:17.650 if they can't even see the glory of Christ, who is the image of 671 00:48:17.690 --> 00:48:22.250 God, how do they see the the sacred value of that baby made in 672 00:48:22.289 --> 00:48:27.320 the image of God? They have been blinded and and those scales from their 673 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.000 eyes can be removed. And we see it all the time and it does 674 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:36.719 happen, but sometimes it doesn't. Yeah, and and and why? Who 675 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.159 knows? Who knows why some people's hearts are are softened in some people's are 676 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:44.909 not. But we do know that God's Word is alive and active and sharpening 677 00:48:44.989 --> 00:48:47.349 the need to edged sword. That's why we don't neglect to share the truth 678 00:48:47.469 --> 00:48:52.789 of God's word. Right, we're ministering. Well, let's wrap up with 679 00:48:52.869 --> 00:48:55.699 this last point, okay, because I think it is an important point. 680 00:48:57.179 --> 00:49:01.820 And bickering, backstabbing and infighting within pro life group so that that can be 681 00:49:01.900 --> 00:49:06.139 a point of discouragement which, yeah, you look on facebook and you see 682 00:49:06.219 --> 00:49:08.860 people, not just in pro life stuff but just Christians in general, just 683 00:49:09.449 --> 00:49:16.650 mean throwing lobbing grenades at each other and just just being sort of nasty and 684 00:49:16.769 --> 00:49:21.289 all that, and there's a lot of backstabbing, a lot of I mean, 685 00:49:21.289 --> 00:49:25.840 I think probably some of it comes to like competition and competition over donors 686 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.440 or whatever it might be. My Ministry is better than your ministry. That's 687 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.719 that kind of stuff is just carnal and dishonors the Lord. But it can 688 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:39.829 be a point of discouragement and to deal with that is a is a difficult 689 00:49:39.949 --> 00:49:44.590 thing, as you're dealing with individuals, you're dealing with people who have their 690 00:49:44.630 --> 00:49:49.190 opinions and strong opinions. You know, we did a podcast months ago about 691 00:49:49.510 --> 00:49:52.699 the abolitionist movement and pro life and there's a lot of sort of back and 692 00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:57.380 forth there. You should be an abolitionist, I'll know the pro life way 693 00:49:57.460 --> 00:50:00.179 is the way to go. And it's like, man, you get caught 694 00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:05.059 up in an all those titles and all those you know whatever, catch phrases 695 00:50:05.500 --> 00:50:09.449 and it's really can bog you down. It can. And you know, 696 00:50:09.530 --> 00:50:15.170 one of the things is, I think, that we need to understand in 697 00:50:15.369 --> 00:50:19.730 prolife ministry is that really this is not it's not pro Life Ministry, it's 698 00:50:19.769 --> 00:50:23.320 Gospel Ministry. It's about the Kingdom of God. It's about advancing the Kingdom 699 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:30.320 of God, glorifying Jesus Christ and proclaiming his Gospel. And you know, 700 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.559 hence the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Yeah, we've got to focus on 701 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.949 that point and that's a point that we can all agree on. The Gospel 702 00:50:37.070 --> 00:50:42.789 needs to go forth and the Gospel is the hope for the abortion minded woman, 703 00:50:42.989 --> 00:50:45.949 right, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and if we neglect that, 704 00:50:46.110 --> 00:50:50.539 then we neglect the most important thing exactly. So I know you know, 705 00:50:50.780 --> 00:50:57.019 unity in the in the non essentials. Wait, how does that go? 706 00:50:57.820 --> 00:51:01.500 So so. So it's unity. If, in the essentials unity and the 707 00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:06.489 whatever, were they not an essentials grace? Grace Right, exactly, or 708 00:51:06.489 --> 00:51:10.650 charity? Charity said as exactly, and I in in everything that that is 709 00:51:12.010 --> 00:51:15.769 critical to the salvation. You know, those things we maybe need to have 710 00:51:15.889 --> 00:51:21.079 discussions, yeah, with others, if we truly believe they are, you 711 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.800 know, taking someone in and sending them on the path to hell. Yeah, 712 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:28.719 we probably need to have some disagreement and some discussion. Definitely, but 713 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.030 most of, I would have to say most of the bickering in the stuff 714 00:51:32.110 --> 00:51:37.510 that goes on are not over the essentials. Yeah, it's really over those 715 00:51:37.550 --> 00:51:42.710 side issues that they may be important but they're not critical. Yeah, and 716 00:51:42.949 --> 00:51:46.900 I mean, I think a helpful thing with this bickering, backstabbing and in 717 00:51:47.059 --> 00:51:52.420 fighting stuff not to be discouraged by it. Don't be part of it, 718 00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:54.179 you know, sa. Don't get in the mix. You know, and 719 00:51:54.260 --> 00:51:58.780 I see I'm so temp because I like to debate, I like to go 720 00:51:58.940 --> 00:52:01.690 back and forth, and so when I see these facebook posts where people are 721 00:52:01.690 --> 00:52:05.449 going back and forth or whatever, I want so bad a jump in there. 722 00:52:05.929 --> 00:52:08.849 But I resist a temptation because I know it's a distraction. It'll get 723 00:52:08.849 --> 00:52:12.369 me caught up. My mind will be thinking about how to make a better 724 00:52:12.409 --> 00:52:15.360 argument than that person and it's like it ultimately leads to almost nothing. Now 725 00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.480 there are some constructive conversations that I've seen. I've seen them done in a 726 00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:24.280 constructive way and and and I think that's good, and we have those conversations 727 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:29.280 and respectful of respectful way, instead of saying I'm right and you're wrong, 728 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.590 yeah, to respectfully here. What? Yeah, one of the things that 729 00:52:32.710 --> 00:52:36.989 I think that social media does, and there's a lot of people that talk 730 00:52:37.070 --> 00:52:40.429 about this. There's even secular psychologist a talk about this point. But social 731 00:52:40.469 --> 00:52:47.619 media and just conversing with people over the Internet disconnects us from that facetoface accountability. 732 00:52:47.739 --> 00:52:52.139 Like, if I'm talking to you facetoface and I oppose the things that 733 00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:55.099 you believe or whatever, I'm going to talk differently if I'm not seeing you 734 00:52:55.179 --> 00:52:58.380 face to face, because I can it away with whatever, I can say 735 00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:01.050 whatever. I have that sort of aminemity. You don't see me crying. 736 00:53:01.090 --> 00:53:05.610 Yeah, I don't see you try and I don't see your facial expressions and 737 00:53:05.769 --> 00:53:07.969 I can sort of hide behind my keyboard that's easy to do. Just tap 738 00:53:08.050 --> 00:53:14.360 out something and of course you've got multiple hours to think about what you're exactly 739 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:15.920 how you're going to type it out on all that. When you're having a 740 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:21.400 face to face conversation, is a little bit of a different way that that 741 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.480 plays out and there's a little more accountability from you to meet as we're talking 742 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:29.030 and I get the sense that you're human being like I am. You know, 743 00:53:29.150 --> 00:53:32.269 when you're on the Internet and your own social media, it's like you're 744 00:53:32.309 --> 00:53:36.309 disconnected. That's not really a person, that's a computer that I'm talking to. 745 00:53:36.389 --> 00:53:38.670 You sort of get that notion. Yeah, and I think people do 746 00:53:38.869 --> 00:53:44.179 say things over social media that they would never say to your face. Yeah, 747 00:53:44.340 --> 00:53:47.619 and that's that's unfortunate. We should be a person of integrity is a 748 00:53:47.739 --> 00:53:52.699 person who is going to be the same behind their keyboard and facetoface. Yeah, 749 00:53:53.260 --> 00:53:57.050 we should strive to be like that. If he'Sian for three, eager 750 00:53:57.130 --> 00:54:00.130 to maintain the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace. Yeah. 751 00:54:00.170 --> 00:54:04.530 So I think there's lots of scripture. Yeah, speaks to the need for 752 00:54:05.090 --> 00:54:10.840 brethren, Christians to be unified. Yeah, and and peaceful and peace loving. 753 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.159 Yeah, and promoting peace and relationships with each other. Yeah, absolutely, 754 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:20.119 and you know, Paul gives us this is a scripture I use a 755 00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.079 lot. Probably use it on other podcasts where he's being little bit Goodi then 756 00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:28.230 Huh, it's an only big any. But this is second Timothy, Chapter 757 00:54:28.309 --> 00:54:30.750 Two, Verse Twenty Four, and The Servant of the Lord must not quarrel 758 00:54:30.349 --> 00:54:36.670 but be gentle to all able to teach patient in humility, correcting those who 759 00:54:36.750 --> 00:54:39.539 in opposition. So there's certainly we should correct people are in opposition, but 760 00:54:39.699 --> 00:54:45.019 in humility doing if God perhaps will grant them repentance so that they may know 761 00:54:45.139 --> 00:54:46.980 the truth, that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of 762 00:54:47.019 --> 00:54:51.380 the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. So 763 00:54:51.500 --> 00:54:54.050 if we want to address people that are in opposition, people we believe are 764 00:54:54.090 --> 00:54:58.969 wrong, we need to do it in humility and God can grant them repentance. 765 00:54:59.530 --> 00:55:01.010 But if we're just going to try to try to cram it down their 766 00:55:01.010 --> 00:55:05.449 throat and we're right in your wrong, typically doesn't go so well and it 767 00:55:05.530 --> 00:55:09.559 dishonors the Lord. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's above all things. 768 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:15.119 Winning an argument is far less important than honoring the Lord. We want to 769 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:22.429 honor Jesus because on your social media, on your whatever Brown, whatever Internet 770 00:55:22.550 --> 00:55:24.710 source that you're using the converse with people, there are other people who are 771 00:55:24.750 --> 00:55:28.750 looking to you, their a prochoice, people that are looking and seeing the 772 00:55:28.829 --> 00:55:31.909 infighting and all this stuff, and it ultimately can can dishonor the Lord. 773 00:55:32.070 --> 00:55:37.059 Yeah, yeah, so we hope that this was an encouragement to you guys. 774 00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:40.539 Hope we answered some of the discouraging the sources of discouragement that you guys 775 00:55:40.579 --> 00:55:45.300 have. If you have other subjects or things like that you want to touch 776 00:55:45.340 --> 00:55:46.980 on, you can certainly get in touch with me. D Parks at cities 777 00:55:47.019 --> 00:55:52.409 for lifecom, or V cassey Org at cities for lifecom. For Vicky, 778 00:55:52.130 --> 00:55:58.090 you can connect with us on facebook or Charlotte cities for life page. You 779 00:55:58.130 --> 00:56:00.889 can always send us a message that way. You can connect with us again 780 00:56:01.130 --> 00:56:07.639 on by email and also we do mention often our sidewalks for life site, 781 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.840 sidewalks, the number four in Lifecom, which is a website that we set 782 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:15.840 up to help encourage people to do sidewalk counseling and just give you some tools 783 00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:19.989 to get trained to do sidewalk counseling, but we appreciate all those who listen 784 00:56:20.150 --> 00:56:22.550 and we do want to hear your feedback. If you have time to just 785 00:56:22.670 --> 00:56:25.349 send us over an email. Let us know what you think of the podcast 786 00:56:25.469 --> 00:56:29.110 and some things that we can improve. We'd love to hear from you on 787 00:56:29.190 --> 00:56:30.829 that, on that area, and we won't be discouraged. Will be encouraged 788 00:56:30.869 --> 00:56:35.579 that you're actually listening, but we appreciate you and hope that you're blessed. 789 00:56:38.179 --> 00:56:52.090 Give for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it will 790 00:56:52.250 --> 00:57:00.719 cost me my life. Nothing's too precious in some you