Fighting Discouragement in ProLife Ministry

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.589Lord, I am your. Welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast.300:00:10.869 --> 00:00:13.630Let's episod. We're going to talkabout how to fight discouragement in pro400:00:13.750 --> 00:00:17.030life ministry. It's something we alldeal with, especially when we're dealing with500:00:17.230 --> 00:00:20.829life and death issues. Hope thispodcast will be an encouragement. You stay600:00:20.870 --> 00:00:35.140tuned. I felt show passish touchyour heart. All Right, welcome to700:00:35.219 --> 00:00:39.130the Gospel Center pro life podcast.We want to talk a little bit about800:00:39.210 --> 00:00:42.890something that I'm sure all of youdeal with. We certainly deal with this,900:00:43.130 --> 00:00:47.969at least you know. Maybe youknow. Time and again we deal1000:00:48.049 --> 00:00:51.759with discouragement, and that's what wewant to talk about, discouragement in Prolife1100:00:51.880 --> 00:00:58.039Ministry, and we've sort of numberedout some some points, some sources of1200:00:58.159 --> 00:01:03.079discouragement that we have, that we'veexperienced and that others have experienced. We1300:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.870have conversations with people, not justinside wall counseling but in other realms of1400:01:07.909 --> 00:01:12.109prolife ministry that get discouraged. LikeI said, we get discourage from time1500:01:12.109 --> 00:01:18.269to time. We have to encourageeach other and so we sort of get1600:01:18.310 --> 00:01:21.219a feel for what other people aredealing with and we find that we're all1700:01:21.299 --> 00:01:23.980sort of dealing with some of thesame stuff, right. So we wanted1800:01:25.019 --> 00:01:29.500to touch on some of those subjectsand some of those sources of discouragement that1900:01:29.859 --> 00:01:34.170people have in and hopes that wecan encourage people who are listening right and2000:01:34.290 --> 00:01:37.010encourage them to stay in this battle, because it is a battle and I2100:01:37.049 --> 00:01:40.730think that's it's not one of thepoints that we have here, but it's2200:01:40.730 --> 00:01:44.370a sort of the overarching principle ofthis whole thing is that we're in a2300:01:44.450 --> 00:01:48.640spiritual battle. It's not a battleagainst the Democrats, it's not a battle2400:01:48.640 --> 00:01:52.879against, you know, some politicalentity, because it's not a political fight.2500:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.200This is a this is a battleof spiritual battle against forces of darkness2600:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.000and we have to understand that.Whether we're doing pro life ministry, and2700:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.230you know, Gospels that are prolife ministry, or world whether we're doing,2800:02:04.590 --> 00:02:07.310you know, handed out tracks oror pastors in the pulpit or whatever2900:02:07.389 --> 00:02:13.110realm of ministry, missionaries have tobuild have the battle with discouragement. I3000:02:13.150 --> 00:02:16.020mean any work that you do either. If you're a nonbeliever, you can3100:02:16.099 --> 00:02:21.819deal with discouragement, but as believerswe have certain you know, sort of3200:02:21.979 --> 00:02:25.659certain enemy that's against us. Thatbrings a whole other level of discouragement and3300:02:25.860 --> 00:02:30.409just, you know, lies thatwe believe and things like that. So3400:02:30.490 --> 00:02:34.770so, yeah, let's touch onthis subject and we hope that you guys.3500:02:34.849 --> 00:02:38.729We prayed just before this podcast becausewe had a little discouragement with the3600:02:38.930 --> 00:02:46.199with the audio stuff that we weredealing with, but we we prayed and3700:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.879that's because we know we're in aspiritual battle. That's right, and I3800:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.719wonder if that spiritual battle, youknow, this is the major ministry I've3900:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.840been involved in. I've been inother ministry trees before, but but in4000:02:57.960 --> 00:03:02.949this one you are you're attacking whatSatan probably most wants to destroy. No,4100:03:04.110 --> 00:03:07.909we're not attacking we're attacking his stronghold, on Satan stronghold, on the4200:03:07.949 --> 00:03:12.270area that he most wants to destroy, which is the family, which is4300:03:12.430 --> 00:03:16.900the bedrock of any nation, anycommunity. And and if you can,4400:03:17.659 --> 00:03:24.259you know, destroy the idea thata mother should always protect her child,4500:03:25.500 --> 00:03:29.689you know, you go a longways, I think, towards destroying the4600:03:29.849 --> 00:03:36.129fabric of the family. So Ithink if I weren't engaged in a spiritual4700:03:36.250 --> 00:03:40.639battle, when I am engaged inpro life activity or if I wasn't facing4800:03:42.199 --> 00:03:47.039the Satan's arrows, which of whichdiscouragement is one, maybe I'm not doing4900:03:47.120 --> 00:03:52.800a very good job. Yeah,I think sometimes discouragement might tell you you're5000:03:52.879 --> 00:03:57.710doing something that is angering the enemyof your soul and he's attacking. Yeah,5100:03:58.150 --> 00:04:00.389and even sometimes that alone, Ithink, can be encouraging. Yeah,5200:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.389big, what's meant to be discouragement? And yet the Lord Turner do5300:04:03.430 --> 00:04:05.949an encourage. You know, oneof the things that I've said. I've5400:04:05.990 --> 00:04:10.099heard others say it too, soit's not original to me, but abortion5500:04:10.300 --> 00:04:14.699is the devil's pride and enjoy.This thing is like something that, you5600:04:14.780 --> 00:04:17.860know, if you look at sortof the proponents of this, this pro5700:04:17.939 --> 00:04:23.740abortion agenda, and some of theenergy that's behind that, but also some5800:04:23.860 --> 00:04:26.769of the the verb bridge and languagesbehind that, it's just like, man,5900:04:26.810 --> 00:04:31.529this is satanic, this is somethingthat that's obviously a spiritual stronghold.6000:04:31.649 --> 00:04:35.490Is a spiritual stronghold in our nation. I believe, much like you know,6100:04:36.009 --> 00:04:41.279when you read Jeremiah, for example, that children of Israel spiritual stronghold6200:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.600is, you know, the idolsthat they were given themselves to turn it6300:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.879away from God and turn into idolsand sacrifice in their children. Hey,6400:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.279there's nothing new under the Sun.At the same thing as happening in our6500:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.670country and nations across the earth,right, because again, this is a6600:04:55.829 --> 00:04:59.149this is a spiritual battle. Yeah, yeah, and you face. You6700:04:59.230 --> 00:05:02.949know, this morning I was listeningto Albert Molar, I think is is,6800:05:03.269 --> 00:05:11.500and and he was talking about howwhenever legislation, particularly liberal legislation,6900:05:11.620 --> 00:05:16.939cannot be passed that by through thechannels it's supposed to be passed through,7000:05:16.939 --> 00:05:21.649which is the legislative branch of thegovernment, the Supreme Court passes, like7100:05:21.970 --> 00:05:29.970in marriage, the marriage issue andabortion issue. And and so sometimes when7200:05:29.970 --> 00:05:32.329you read the news and think aboutthat, you know, the things that7300:05:32.449 --> 00:05:38.279were in put in by our foundingfathers to protect us. Yeah, are7400:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.959they're not protecting yeah, because they'rebeing still they're being used to for this7500:05:43.360 --> 00:05:47.720agenda that is an anti good agenda. Yeah, and so reading the news7600:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.430even I was thinking this morning,you know, I want to be informed,7700:05:51.509 --> 00:05:58.269I I do believe we should beinformed, but it is increasingly depressing7800:05:58.430 --> 00:06:04.420and discouraging because it feels like thepro death agenda is winning. Yeah,7900:06:04.699 --> 00:06:09.620and that's sort of our first point. We see in the news. You8000:06:09.740 --> 00:06:13.860know, I called the bad news. I'll listen to the bad news for8100:06:13.899 --> 00:06:15.139a little bit, because it all, it is a bunch of bad news,8200:06:15.699 --> 00:06:20.410and that stuff bombards our minds andwe get we get discourage, we8300:06:20.529 --> 00:06:24.569get hopeless in a sense. Right, yeah, and the world is gone,8400:06:24.970 --> 00:06:27.009you know, for lack of abetter turn to hell in the hand8500:06:27.089 --> 00:06:29.769baskets, right. And what canwe do about it? You know,8600:06:30.410 --> 00:06:35.199and you see more and more ofthis culture of death sort of surrounding us8700:06:35.240 --> 00:06:40.319and sort of closing in, andit seems, if you didn't know the8800:06:40.439 --> 00:06:45.879Lord, like it's hopeless. Yeah, even even things that tie into abortion,8900:06:45.920 --> 00:06:51.230which is the sexual freedom and andthat sexual immorality is is last as9000:06:51.550 --> 00:06:57.870yea, that that that we shouldbe talking about, abstinence, for example,9100:06:58.509 --> 00:07:02.819is is laughed at. Yeah,and that can be so discouraging because9200:07:03.300 --> 00:07:11.139we who are out there on thefront lines of the the abortion, you9300:07:11.259 --> 00:07:15.620know discussion, where they're in frontof abortion centers and we see, I9400:07:15.660 --> 00:07:19.370don't know, ninety percent of theabortions are a result of sexual immorality.9500:07:19.769 --> 00:07:24.370So we under it. We knowit is critical to if we're ever going9600:07:24.529 --> 00:07:29.290to be effective as a nation,as a world and ending abortion. That9700:07:29.449 --> 00:07:31.920has to be addressed. But thenews, all all the events in the9800:07:31.959 --> 00:07:40.879world are they make fun of peoplewho talk about sexual purity and and so9900:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.759how do we deal with that,Daniel? How do we deal with with10000:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.230reading and wanting to be informed,as I think we should be? Yeah,10100:07:46.550 --> 00:07:50.430and facing, like you said,the bad news that is so discouraging.10200:07:50.550 --> 00:07:54.389Yeah, I mean I know thetemptation for me is just to completely10300:07:54.430 --> 00:07:58.230ignore the news, yeah, andnot listen or watch the news. And10400:07:58.310 --> 00:08:01.139I don't really watch. I listen. If I get any news, it's10500:08:01.180 --> 00:08:05.860on the radio or or even facebook. And you know, it keeps grolling,10600:08:05.939 --> 00:08:09.139as you see something on facebook likethis latest whatever that's come out,10700:08:09.259 --> 00:08:13.370you know, pro abortion agenda movingforward in some area or whatever. It's10800:08:13.370 --> 00:08:16.649like, keeps grolling. And onesense, you know, we need to10900:08:16.730 --> 00:08:18.930be in the loop. We needto not just be in the dark when11000:08:18.930 --> 00:08:24.089people mention stuff that's happen in thein the news. But one of the11100:08:24.209 --> 00:08:28.279things I think that we we obviouslywe have to do to have to be11200:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.959in the word. Absolutely have tobe in God's word. We have to11300:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.440be in God's word consistently. Ifwe're consuming news and in the news outlets,11400:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.000even if it's Fox News or whateverother news outlet that we're consuming,11500:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.629and we have a focus on ourminds, go there more than in the11600:08:43.669 --> 00:08:46.269word of God. Maybe it willbe just a good idea just to cut11700:08:46.309 --> 00:08:50.029that stuff off, you know,and to not allowed the news of the11800:08:50.070 --> 00:08:54.549world to bombard our minds. I'vehad seasons where I've just completely cut it11900:08:54.669 --> 00:08:58.500off completely, don't don't listen.I'm going to I listen to MPR,12000:08:58.620 --> 00:09:03.940believe it or not. Oh Wow, yeah, and it frustrates me and12100:09:03.139 --> 00:09:07.820it makes me angry. Yeah,because it's very left leaning, it is.12200:09:09.059 --> 00:09:11.049And and you know what, sometimesI just cut the stuff off.12300:09:11.250 --> 00:09:16.370I'll go a week without listening tothe news. And you know, even12400:09:16.409 --> 00:09:18.210though we do need to be inthe loop, I think in some sense12500:09:18.490 --> 00:09:22.889we don't need to know everything,you know, and and I think this,12600:09:24.169 --> 00:09:28.000this desire for to know everything,can be a trap for us,12700:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.440you know. Yeah, yeah,you know. One of the scriptures that12800:09:31.559 --> 00:09:33.879you had, we made up alittle list of some of the things that12900:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.679we wanted to touch on, isRomans twelve too. Yeah, great scripture.13000:09:37.720 --> 00:09:39.590Do not make conformed of this world, but be transformed by the renewal13100:09:39.629 --> 00:09:43.309of your mind that by testing youmay discern what is the will of God,13200:09:43.389 --> 00:09:48.590what is good and acceptable and perfect. And we renew our minds by13300:09:48.669 --> 00:09:52.590being in the word of God.We do not renew our minds by being13400:09:52.669 --> 00:09:56.019on facebook. We don't renew ourminds by being watching Fox News, you13500:09:56.139 --> 00:10:00.259know, for five hours a dayor whatever, listening to the ready.13600:10:00.419 --> 00:10:03.620We renew our mind by being inin the word of God, by being13700:10:05.740 --> 00:10:07.850consistently in the word of God.I think in our personal devotion time we13800:10:07.970 --> 00:10:11.450need to be in the word ofGod. But you know, as we're13900:10:11.450 --> 00:10:13.250going down the road, even there'sso many apps out there where you can14000:10:13.250 --> 00:10:16.690get the word of God and haveit playing over your radio or whatever.14100:10:16.889 --> 00:10:22.080Just having our mind's renewed by theword of God is a key and not14200:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.440being conformed of this world, youknow, left leaning or right leaning or14300:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.120whatever, news outlets and all thesethings. Ultimately, these are sources from14400:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.080the world right and you're not goingto get comfort from Fox News. You're14500:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.230not going to get comfort from theseother, you know, news outlets that14600:10:37.269 --> 00:10:41.549might agree with your political persuasion,because again, it's just bad news.14700:10:41.710 --> 00:10:43.909You know, it's just people throwingbombs at each other in the sense that14800:10:45.070 --> 00:10:50.740you know, these just political attacksand your mind gets bombarded with political and14900:10:50.820 --> 00:10:56.659political rhetoric and the politics that aresurrounding the issue of abortion, rather than15000:10:56.700 --> 00:11:00.740keeping your mind focused on this isa spiritual battle, this is a gospel15100:11:00.779 --> 00:11:03.330issue that's so important tonight. Idon't know about you, but it is15200:11:03.769 --> 00:11:11.289easy for me to throw away two, three hours scrolling through facebook or I'm15300:11:11.330 --> 00:11:13.690not. I'm not a big newswatcher. I don't watch television, but15400:11:13.850 --> 00:11:20.879scrolling through news reports online or whatever, and I think that's one of Satan's15500:11:20.960 --> 00:11:28.159traps. Instead of opening up ourbibles and dwelling on the word, we're15600:11:28.159 --> 00:11:33.669dwelling on these things of which willultimately never say yeah, and and I15700:11:33.830 --> 00:11:37.710think bring us down and do addto the discouragement. And I hear over15800:11:37.870 --> 00:11:46.309and over again from from women whoare at the abortion center or our contempting15900:11:46.309 --> 00:11:52.539an abortion that they no longer canpray or they no longer can read their16000:11:52.580 --> 00:11:54.659Bible, or they haven't been readingtheir motor they haven't been going to church.16100:11:54.740 --> 00:12:00.179It it always seems to be there'sthis distancing from God, whether that's16200:12:00.340 --> 00:12:03.370first or as a result of that, they're already in sin. I don't16300:12:03.370 --> 00:12:09.250know, but but I if,if it's that distancing from God that is16400:12:09.450 --> 00:12:16.679leading them into these terrible choices,obviously then the dwelling again back with God16500:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.039is the antidote. Yeah, andwhat Satan would least want us to do.16600:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.759Yeah, I know one of theencouragements I give, I give it16700:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.039to our volunteers, I give itto anybody I can, and it's three16800:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.830things, which is stay in theword, yes, stay in prayer and16900:12:31.029 --> 00:12:33.990stay in church. Right, weneed to be surrounded you. Paul says17000:12:35.429 --> 00:12:39.070that we should encourage one another daily. As long as it's called today's we17100:12:39.149 --> 00:12:41.950need to be encouraging each of you. Know, to encourage somebody is to17200:12:43.029 --> 00:12:46.940take the courage that you haven't putit into them. You're encouraging your still17300:12:46.940 --> 00:12:48.980encourage in that person. Yeah,and so, you know, an important17400:12:48.980 --> 00:12:56.779aspect rather than just being surrounded bythe news or being surrounded by even you17500:12:56.899 --> 00:13:00.289know, with us we're dealing ona regular basis with pro abortion people and17600:13:00.690 --> 00:13:03.929in their arguments and there the thingsthat they say will kind of swirl around17700:13:03.970 --> 00:13:07.649in my head and you know,being surrounded by that stuff and feeling like17800:13:07.769 --> 00:13:11.690you have to give an answer forall that stuff all the time. Is17900:13:11.009 --> 00:13:15.600Is it just it's overwhelming. HMM. Sometimes you just need to empty your18000:13:15.720 --> 00:13:22.000ear thoughts of of the arguments againstthe prolife position and against Christianity or whatever,18100:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.480and just say, you know whatthe word of God says this,18200:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.669and standing on the word of Godis the key. Can't. You can't18300:13:28.710 --> 00:13:35.950answer everybody's questions, you can't bethe source of of Information and what is18400:13:35.070 --> 00:13:39.429truth for everybody, because some peoplejust not going to be satisfied, you18500:13:39.549 --> 00:13:43.340know. But the positive of that, which at least I've experienced, is18600:13:43.500 --> 00:13:46.379if there are things thrown at methat, yes, they can be discouraging18700:13:46.500 --> 00:13:50.580and to make you think, Oh, maybe I'm wrong, but it can18800:13:50.620 --> 00:13:52.899also spur you on, and shouldspurn you on, yeah, to go18900:13:54.059 --> 00:14:00.129back into the word and to examinevery carefully what God has to say and19000:14:00.490 --> 00:14:03.409the the source of the hope thatwe have. You know, we kindle19100:14:03.490 --> 00:14:07.370that, yeah, within us andI think that that's a the positive thing19200:14:07.490 --> 00:14:13.360to do with with the terrible thingsthat the socalled pro choice people throw at19300:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.759us. Yeah, but but youknow, another huge discouragement which we are19400:14:18.799 --> 00:14:26.110experiencing personally. Now is plan parenthood, huge giant? Talk about a giant19500:14:26.190 --> 00:14:30.590and the boy talks about giants andhow do we slay the giants in life?19600:14:30.629 --> 00:14:33.190Well, this is a giant.Yeah, in the socalled pro choice.19700:14:33.230 --> 00:14:37.740Certainly abortion world is is plan parenthood. And they're coming to Charlotte now.19800:14:37.779 --> 00:14:41.779They've been in Charlotte, but notin in very small capacity and in19900:14:41.860 --> 00:14:48.980the abortion capacity. And and they'recoming with an abortion new abortion center and20000:14:48.220 --> 00:14:52.700which opened. It's open, butI guess the starting abortion soon. So20100:14:52.370 --> 00:14:56.809you know that it's kind of alwaysin the back of my mind. There's20200:14:56.809 --> 00:15:03.250already three abortion centers that were spreadingourselves then with with volunteers trying to cover20300:15:03.450 --> 00:15:09.240and now this fourth. And thisfourth one is the giant planned parenthood.20400:15:09.639 --> 00:15:16.360So and God clearly talks about howwe respond to the giants in in our20500:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.990life. So so maybe just beingdiscouraged is not the proper yeah, funds.20600:15:22.429 --> 00:15:24.590Maybe there's some more godly way todo it. That giant. Well,20700:15:24.629 --> 00:15:28.230I mean the rain. So certainly, you know, David wouldn't in20800:15:28.350 --> 00:15:31.669denial, right, David didn't lookat Goliath and say, you know,20900:15:31.750 --> 00:15:35.230he's just a tiny little thing.He knew this guy was a giant.21000:15:35.269 --> 00:15:37.980Yeah, and we see in ourculture, we see in America the plant21100:15:39.019 --> 00:15:43.820pairhood giant. But the abortion giantand and ultimately the political that, you21200:15:43.899 --> 00:15:46.580know, the Paulo, the politicsof abortion, all that stuff is a21300:15:46.740 --> 00:15:50.850big giant. It's a sort ofa mountain, yeah, that we have21400:15:50.970 --> 00:15:52.690to face. And they there's alot of money, you know, Plant21500:15:52.730 --> 00:15:58.169parenthood just as an example. Ithink this course, worldwide, the abortion21600:15:58.250 --> 00:16:02.850giant is a political entity with,I mean, tens of millions of dollars.21700:16:02.889 --> 00:16:07.279I think I heard on the newsyesterday that they're going to put sixty21800:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.480million dollars into North Carolina was oneof the states. But some of these21900:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.039battleground states they're going to pour,you know, just as one entity,22000:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.710and this is only one entity that'sgoing to be doing there's going to be22100:16:18.789 --> 00:16:21.909a lot of other ones that arepouring. They're pouring fifty or sixty million22200:16:21.950 --> 00:16:26.870dollars into these states, these battlegroundstates, and in order to get their22300:16:26.429 --> 00:16:32.899Democrat person elected. Yeah, it'slike that just shows you this political thing,22400:16:32.980 --> 00:16:36.779like cities for life, could neverpour, you know, any money22500:16:36.860 --> 00:16:41.019into into a political campaign. Norwould we, right. But but this22600:16:41.259 --> 00:16:45.059thing has a political wing to it. It's got, of course, their22700:16:45.100 --> 00:16:48.210abortion wing where they do abortions.It's got their outreach wing where they're going22800:16:48.370 --> 00:16:52.610into there's going to be behind them. Yeah, I mean even if you22900:16:53.250 --> 00:16:57.570read some of the stories about theexposing of Plan Parenthood and the trial that's23000:16:57.610 --> 00:17:02.720going on in California, it's like, man, these people have got lawyers,23100:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.680they've got all this and this isa giant and coming to come to23200:17:06.720 --> 00:17:11.480Charlotte. It's certainly, I believe, already had an influence in the city23300:17:11.599 --> 00:17:17.069council with the new sound ordinates.It's been passed here in Charlotte and it23400:17:17.309 --> 00:17:22.910looks like they're going to have evenmore clout in the city council and who23500:17:22.950 --> 00:17:26.950knows what sort of persuasion they'll havewith the city council and trying to make,23600:17:26.069 --> 00:17:29.829you know, probably a ultimate somekind of buffer zone or something like23700:17:29.990 --> 00:17:34.339that. However, is a slingshot. Yeah, right, all have23800:17:34.660 --> 00:17:41.019is a sling shot and five stones, right, but the encouragement is and23900:17:41.099 --> 00:17:45.089I think that story is a cutelittle story, David and Goliath, you24000:17:45.130 --> 00:17:48.410know, but it's actually a violentstory and we're not people. We're not24100:17:48.450 --> 00:17:51.970a people of violence at all.That we have a code of conduct.24200:17:52.009 --> 00:17:56.890We have as we absolutely he's fellowno violence, right. But spiritually speaking,24300:17:56.970 --> 00:18:02.160yeah, because this is a spiritualexample for us. David was merciless24400:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.519to that giant. He slew thatgiant. He had confidence in God.24500:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.000He took the giant's head off andheld it up for everybody to see.24600:18:08.000 --> 00:18:15.990Killed Him with his own sword.That is a miraculous event that that could24700:18:15.069 --> 00:18:19.670not be orchestrated by man. Thatevent, David Slang Goliath is not something24800:18:19.710 --> 00:18:23.190that David you know, certainly Godtrained him in the Wilderness. You know,24900:18:23.309 --> 00:18:27.099he's slaid a bear and a lionand he talks about how God had25000:18:27.380 --> 00:18:32.299had trained him in one sense andin the wilderness. But he wasn't out,25100:18:32.460 --> 00:18:34.019you know, lifting iron and gettingready for the giant. He just25200:18:34.099 --> 00:18:37.579sort of came upon this thing.You know, it sort of came upon25300:18:37.619 --> 00:18:41.609him and it's yeah, but hewas ready and he was confident. And25400:18:41.730 --> 00:18:44.890here's the point. He was notconfident in himself and his own ability.25500:18:45.410 --> 00:18:48.809He was confident in the Lord.He says, the Lord will deliver this25600:18:48.970 --> 00:18:52.970uncircumcised Philistine into my hand. Amen. And so when we, when we25700:18:53.089 --> 00:18:56.640faced giants like plan parenthood, likethe abortion industry and all of that.25800:18:57.440 --> 00:19:03.920We have to have this confidence inthe Lord. We get off track when25900:19:03.920 --> 00:19:06.799we have the confidence in ourselves.You know, we've learned a lot.26000:19:06.839 --> 00:19:08.839Yeah, we I think we dogood. And Sidewalk counseling, I think26100:19:08.920 --> 00:19:11.710we do well enough to where wecan teach others. You know, with26200:19:11.829 --> 00:19:15.309the with the sidewalks for life site, I think we're doing good and putting26300:19:15.390 --> 00:19:19.670content out there right, but it'snot a confidence in ourselves. It's things26400:19:19.710 --> 00:19:25.099that we've learned by making mistakes andin prayer and seeking the Lord. How26500:19:25.140 --> 00:19:27.900can we do better, because wecertainly made a lot of mistakes. Our26600:19:27.980 --> 00:19:33.180confidence has to be in the Lordin whatever. You know, not just26700:19:33.259 --> 00:19:36.859sidewalk counseling, but you know,pregnancy center is if you're reaching out and26800:19:36.980 --> 00:19:40.329that way or, you know,maybe even politically, if you're involved in26900:19:40.410 --> 00:19:47.490some political pro life organization or campusoutreach, in a political or a in27000:19:47.609 --> 00:19:52.319a pro life round, reaching outa campuses or whatever. We have to27100:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.079have confidence in the Lord and thisis why I believe that if we're going27200:19:56.319 --> 00:20:02.559to if we're going to fight thispro abortion giant, this the pro abortion27300:20:02.599 --> 00:20:07.829agenda, we can't do it justfrom a secular perspective. It's a spiritual27400:20:07.910 --> 00:20:11.190battle. We've got to be inthe world and we've got to use the27500:20:11.269 --> 00:20:14.789word of God and we've got tobe in prayer asking God for wisdom,27600:20:15.190 --> 00:20:18.309and he can turn things around inthe most amazing way. Yeah, absolutely.27700:20:18.509 --> 00:20:22.259You know, look at the storywith the Sound Ordinance. I mean27800:20:22.339 --> 00:20:27.700that really is a great example ofUS facing what looked like a huge discouragement27900:20:29.099 --> 00:20:37.289right we we had lost seemingly againstthe political forces of I won't say of28000:20:37.410 --> 00:20:41.809evil, but that is what Ibelieve. Yeah, and and lost the28100:20:41.930 --> 00:20:45.890ability to use our amplified sound infront of abortion centers, and that was28200:20:45.930 --> 00:20:51.359at such a great tool for usand we thought, Oh, this is28300:20:51.519 --> 00:20:55.759terrible. But God turned it around. Where will no one can use amplified28400:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.079sound, including there for the prochoice people, and they could no longer28500:20:59.200 --> 00:21:04.150drown our voices out with their littleradios and sound systems. They tucked under28600:21:04.150 --> 00:21:10.309the umbrella and we found that wehad an increased ability to reach the women.28700:21:10.390 --> 00:21:15.710Who would have ever suspected that?How God can turn things that?28800:21:15.910 --> 00:21:18.259You just would never expect. WhatI mean the picture of that is,28900:21:18.380 --> 00:21:22.980you know, David Slang Goliath withhis own disorder or chopping his head off29000:21:22.019 --> 00:21:26.259with his own sword. It's likethe instrument that he was going to use29100:21:26.420 --> 00:21:30.140to destroy David David actually uses tofinish him. Yeah, happens in the29200:21:30.180 --> 00:21:36.049book of Vester with Hayman, whereHaydon wants to destroy Mordecai and and hates29300:21:36.170 --> 00:21:41.569Moredecai the Jew and and and plotsto do so and even a rex,29400:21:41.730 --> 00:21:45.690the scaffold that he's going to endup hanging his enemy, Mordecai, and29500:21:45.849 --> 00:21:48.440then through a series of read thebook, If you haven't read the book29600:21:48.480 --> 00:21:51.799of Ester, two great book.But through a series of amazing events,29700:21:51.839 --> 00:21:56.960God turns that completely around and Haymanend up and suffing from his own gallery,29800:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.200from his own gallows. Kind doesthat over and over again now.29900:22:00.549 --> 00:22:04.109So just say there's no mistaken here. We're not talking about physical violence.30000:22:04.109 --> 00:22:07.630I'm talking about a spiritual battle thatwean and that's something we always have to30100:22:07.710 --> 00:22:11.509keep before eyes, because there canbe with people, when you get so30200:22:11.750 --> 00:22:17.859frustrated and you're facing this giant,there can be, out of that frustration,30300:22:18.420 --> 00:22:21.859this just natural anger. Yeah,but the Bible tells us that the30400:22:21.900 --> 00:22:25.500anger of a man does not producethe righteousness of God. So if we're30500:22:25.539 --> 00:22:29.619just angry, and that's why weencourage our our volunteers and encourage each other30600:22:29.819 --> 00:22:33.170to and regular basis is this isthis is a spiritual battle, not a30700:22:33.250 --> 00:22:37.329natural battle, and are driving forcecannot be hatred. Even as evil as30800:22:37.369 --> 00:22:41.369abortion is and evil as the abortionagenda is, and it evils plant parent,30900:22:41.410 --> 00:22:48.319who is we cannot be driven byhatred for those things. We certainly31000:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.359should hate evil, but we're notcalled to hate people. Were called to31100:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.440to ultimately proclaim the Gospel and ourdesires that people come into the Kingdom of31200:22:56.599 --> 00:23:02.470God right and there have been locallyhere we've seen abortion workers come, come31300:23:02.549 --> 00:23:04.549to know the Lord and come outof the industry. Of course, nationally31400:23:04.670 --> 00:23:07.710we know there are people like AbbyJohnson and other people that were in plant31500:23:07.750 --> 00:23:11.789parent whood that have come out.And so so God's doing a work there31600:23:12.180 --> 00:23:17.099in this giant and ultimately, youknow, I don't know how it's going31700:23:17.099 --> 00:23:23.220to play out right, but theLord Somehow has has David's and and they're31800:23:23.259 --> 00:23:27.529all over the United States of America, as there are giants all over,31900:23:29.170 --> 00:23:32.289and God's going to turn this thingaround and God's going to use, use32000:23:32.329 --> 00:23:34.089what the enemy meant for evil andturn it around for good. Yeah,32100:23:34.170 --> 00:23:38.849and you know, just sort ofan example of that is with the the32200:23:40.210 --> 00:23:45.319trial that's going on from the Davidd'lia is because, name who did the32300:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.000exposing of parenthood and they're selling babyparts and all of that. Well,32400:23:48.039 --> 00:23:52.519as they're going through, he's ontrial right for for whatever law he supposedly32500:23:52.559 --> 00:23:59.390violated, like provacy law or somethinglike that. Let's go wire tap.32600:23:59.549 --> 00:24:02.309I think it's something. I thinkthat's on it. Yeah, and but32700:24:02.549 --> 00:24:07.789in that trial it's like what planparent whood is doing and actually selling baby32800:24:07.869 --> 00:24:11.220parts and all the things that theyare doing behind the scenes. All that's32900:24:11.259 --> 00:24:15.579coming out to it's been further exposedexactly. So was like okay, yeah,33000:24:15.700 --> 00:24:18.420so that that just reminds us keepour focus on the Lord. That's33100:24:18.420 --> 00:24:23.450right, keep our eyes fixed onhim and ultimately we put our trust in33200:24:23.490 --> 00:24:26.809him and God's gonna God's going tobe glorified. Right. Right, and33300:24:27.009 --> 00:24:30.970sometimes you do feel all alone,you said, you know, there you33400:24:30.049 --> 00:24:33.890feel like you're you're just David standingthere alone. Yeah, against the giant,33500:24:33.970 --> 00:24:41.319and I know for me, youknow, sometimes I'm discouraged because I'm33600:24:41.359 --> 00:24:48.000sitting in Church and and there's discussionsabout all kinds of groups that we should33700:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.829be helping and how we as Christiansneed to be addressing but I so rarely33800:24:52.990 --> 00:24:57.990hear abortion. Yeah, I mentionedand. And so sometimes those in or33900:24:59.069 --> 00:25:07.779even you'll see other pro life groupsput down or other Christians put down those34000:25:07.900 --> 00:25:15.220who are very active on the frontlines of the pro life movement, like34100:25:15.259 --> 00:25:18.539like us on the sidewalk at yeah, as know that you should not be34200:25:18.660 --> 00:25:21.569doing that and you can really feel, I think, if you're, if34300:25:21.609 --> 00:25:25.809you're active in the pro life movement, I think you can feel isolated even34400:25:26.009 --> 00:25:32.369from who you expect to be supportiveYellow Christians. And you know, we're34500:25:32.369 --> 00:25:37.319sitting in Church and wondering why isn'tthey're more being said from the pulpit and34600:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.680and I think that that for mepersonally, that that has been a source34700:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.960of discouragement. Yeah, just wonderingwhere is, where is where all these34800:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.079people who claim to love the Lord? Yeah, and the Lord, I34900:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.029think, just as so clear andcalling us to protect those who cannot protect35000:25:52.029 --> 00:25:56.430themselves, who can't speak for themselves, who are vulnerable, who are being35100:25:56.470 --> 00:26:03.549led away to death. Why aren'tChristians they're in droves speaking out against this,35200:26:03.630 --> 00:26:07.740this terrible evil. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm certainly I believe35300:26:08.019 --> 00:26:11.900that we're dealing with the number onemoral issue of our day. I tell35400:26:11.980 --> 00:26:17.099the agree. Yeah, and youwonder you're in church and the pastor addresses35500:26:17.140 --> 00:26:18.809this thing, adds is that thing. There's a lot of injustice is going35600:26:18.849 --> 00:26:22.049on, there's no doubt about it. There's you, abortion is not the35700:26:22.170 --> 00:26:26.690only issue that the church has todeal with. We're first and foremost supposed35800:26:26.690 --> 00:26:29.970to advance the Kingdom of God andproclaim the God ass right, and of35900:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.079course that's what we do on thesidewalks. We're proclaiming the Gospel where we're36000:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.079trying to call people to come andput their trust in the Lord, not36100:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.599just a quote, just saving babies. Right, but if we're dealing with36200:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.799the number one moral issue of theday and it's not being address from the36300:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.150pulpit, that can be a sourceof discouragement, especially when you're passionate about36400:26:49.230 --> 00:26:53.829this, this issue of abortion,because you have some connection to it or36500:26:53.869 --> 00:26:57.710just the Lord stirred your heart.When you're passionate about something and you're looking36600:26:57.750 --> 00:27:02.180around and you're seeing other people thatare not passionate about this thing. It36700:27:02.259 --> 00:27:04.500can be discouraging. Yeah, andyou you can start to get disillusioned.36800:27:04.980 --> 00:27:10.460You know, disillusionment. I haveover the years observed a great amount of36900:27:10.500 --> 00:27:14.740disillusionment from people who are involved,especially in reach out an abortion clinics,37000:27:14.779 --> 00:27:18.569doing sidewall council, disillusionment with theChurch because where is the church? Disillusionment37100:27:18.569 --> 00:27:22.529with their pastor because he doesn't talkabout the issue of abortion. And you37200:27:22.650 --> 00:27:26.650know, one of the things thatwe have to understand, and one of37300:27:26.650 --> 00:27:29.769the things I remind myself, isI wasn't always in this battle either,37400:27:29.809 --> 00:27:33.480right, you know, if you'veonly been in prolife ministry for a couple37500:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.920of years, and you know I'vebeen in pro life ministry for fifteen years,37600:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.880but before that, you know,I was a believer and believed abortion37700:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.390was wrong, but I was notinvolved in this level. You know,37800:27:44.470 --> 00:27:47.670you need to give other people thesame grace that that you want them to37900:27:47.789 --> 00:27:51.549give you, first and foremost.That's a good point. Yeah, another38000:27:51.630 --> 00:27:56.589thing is to you know, there'sgenuinely there people who just don't understand.38100:27:56.670 --> 00:28:00.460They just don't know the gravity ofthe problem. They you know, I38200:28:00.619 --> 00:28:04.819talked to Christians that have lived inCharlotte their whole life and they have no38300:28:06.019 --> 00:28:08.299clue that there's an abortion clinic.Actually, I was just over the window38400:28:08.299 --> 00:28:12.289of abortion clinic today and a younglady stopped on our way out and she38500:28:12.369 --> 00:28:15.049wrote on her windows. She sawmy sign and it was a picture of38600:28:15.089 --> 00:28:18.329a baby that was, say,from abortion, and she was like,38700:28:18.650 --> 00:28:22.009that happens here, she said,I didn't think they even had those anymore,38800:28:22.170 --> 00:28:23.410though, met abors and clinics.I said yeah, it happens right38900:28:23.450 --> 00:28:26.640in this building, right here,and she was surprised. Yeah, Um,39000:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.799so, you know, give peoplegrace, give people, you know,39100:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.519the the the same grace that youwant to that you want to be39200:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.559given to. Yeah, that's true. It's true. I've had so many39300:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.599new volunteers that, as they standand when they watch the women streaming into39400:28:40.680 --> 00:28:45.869the abortion clinic, they say,I had no idea. It's one thing39500:28:45.069 --> 00:28:52.750to hear about it, but tosee it it you understand this is a39600:28:52.029 --> 00:28:57.019much bigger problem. Yeah then,I then I thought, so, so39700:28:59.019 --> 00:29:03.220what's you know? I've got averse that that to me really spoke to39800:29:03.339 --> 00:29:07.339this very issue. Romans one hundredand twenty five. I ask then,39900:29:07.500 --> 00:29:11.890has God rejected as people by nomeans, for I myself am an Israelita,40000:29:11.930 --> 00:29:15.609descended of Abraham, a member ofthe tribe of Benjamin. God has40100:29:15.650 --> 00:29:18.009not rejected as people who he forknew. Do you know what the Scripture40200:29:18.009 --> 00:29:22.849says of Elijah, how he appealsto God against Israel? Lord, they40300:29:22.890 --> 00:29:26.240have killed your prophet, they haveDemoli List your altars, and I alone40400:29:26.279 --> 00:29:32.440am left and they seek my life. I always, I've always related to40500:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.279that cry, because sometimes you dofeel all along. Yeah, and but40600:29:36.400 --> 00:29:41.910what is the elijahmental light? Isit called that? There's I've heard it40700:29:41.990 --> 00:29:45.910called that, actually, and I'veheard messages about that very thing, because40800:29:45.950 --> 00:29:52.029you feel like, especially when you'rein a battle that's this heated, intense,40900:29:52.150 --> 00:29:55.380and in this intense it's like,man, I'm the only person fighting41000:29:55.420 --> 00:30:00.099this bat yeah, at, whichis incredibly discouraging when you're solitary, when41100:30:00.099 --> 00:30:03.099you're you feel alone. There's noone here helping me, but God's reply41200:30:03.259 --> 00:30:07.970to him. I have kept formyself seven thousand men who have not bowed41300:30:08.210 --> 00:30:11.210the need to be out. Sotoo, at the present time, there41400:30:11.289 --> 00:30:17.170is a remnant chosen by grace.There are people, they that that are41500:30:17.450 --> 00:30:21.130with you. Yeah, and inthis battle and you're yeah, I mean41600:30:21.250 --> 00:30:23.880even to you know, we dohave to understand that pro life ministry,41700:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.000even though I believe this is thenumber one moral issue of our day in41800:30:27.079 --> 00:30:33.440our country, certainly is. NotEverybody is. This is a this is41900:30:33.519 --> 00:30:34.559a cop out for a lot ofpeople. I'm not called to that.42000:30:34.990 --> 00:30:38.190The genuinely not everybody is called tobe on the front lines. Right,42100:30:38.470 --> 00:30:42.029there are those who are called tobe missionaries in other countries. There those42200:30:42.029 --> 00:30:45.869who are called to do other things. Now, certainly, I believe that42300:30:45.910 --> 00:30:48.390there are more people that are actuallycalled to be on the front lines and42400:30:48.509 --> 00:30:52.700are out there. Certainly, butyou know, over the years, when42500:30:52.740 --> 00:30:56.619I first started coming out to thelatrobe abortion clinic, you fifteen years ago,42600:30:56.740 --> 00:31:00.980fourteen almost fifteen years ago, therewas a handful of Christians out there.42700:31:00.099 --> 00:31:03.740Yeah, and there have been timeswhere would just be me and one42800:31:03.779 --> 00:31:06.730other guy, right. I'm surethere would be times whenever, you know,42900:31:06.730 --> 00:31:08.089I wouldn't able to make it in, there just be one or two43000:31:08.089 --> 00:31:11.529people out there and you know,start to wonder, like they're all these43100:31:11.569 --> 00:31:15.809churches, one thousand hundred churches inthe Greater Charlotte area. Where are these43200:31:15.890 --> 00:31:21.000people? Yeah, and by God'sgrace, though, just kind of maintaining43300:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.400and it just saying, you knowwhat, like Joshua, as for me43400:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.960and my house, we will servethe Lord. We have to make a43500:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.599decision. We can't. We can'tdo right for everybody else. We can't43600:31:30.599 --> 00:31:36.069make people do right. We can'tNag people into doing right, as are43700:31:36.109 --> 00:31:38.869only right if we have a wholegroup of and only do right when everybody43800:31:38.910 --> 00:31:41.190else is with us. Now,right now, you have to decide.43900:31:41.269 --> 00:31:45.430You know what. As for meand my house, we will serve the44000:31:45.470 --> 00:31:48.859Lord. We're going to do thiswork and then God, if, if,44100:31:48.019 --> 00:31:52.019if, he so chooses and ifpeople surrendered to his will, God44200:31:52.059 --> 00:31:56.500will bring people along, and Godcertainly, did you know cities for life44300:31:56.579 --> 00:32:01.529came along and Love Life, lovelife ultimately comes long to the point where44400:32:02.009 --> 00:32:05.930you know, the first love life, the final prayer walk of the first44500:32:05.930 --> 00:32:09.769year that they did. There werefour thousand Christians there. I mean never44600:32:09.970 --> 00:32:14.609we weep. We weeped. It'slike, Oh man, I'll started ball44700:32:14.650 --> 00:32:16.559and went up on the stage andlooked out across that crowd. I was44800:32:16.559 --> 00:32:20.319supposed to share at quick word orsomething, and I was like, I44900:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.119just went down on my knees andjust wept like God, this is this45000:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.880has taken it's been a long timecoming. Yeah, but you're doing a45100:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.910work and God said you doing awork. God's doing a work, not45200:32:30.069 --> 00:32:32.670just you know, here in Charlotte. God's doing a work around the country.45300:32:34.230 --> 00:32:37.390We have to do the best wecan to to see the good.45400:32:37.789 --> 00:32:39.509Yeah, and you know, asfar as you pastors are concerned, you45500:32:39.589 --> 00:32:44.230maybe you're in a church and yourpastor doesn't ever address the issue of abortion.45600:32:45.180 --> 00:32:50.299You know, it might be timeto address your pastor on that and45700:32:50.420 --> 00:32:52.740to talk to him and be likeHey, this is, I believe,45800:32:52.819 --> 00:32:54.859one of the number one, ifnot the number one, moral issue of45900:32:54.900 --> 00:32:58.650our day. Why aren't you talkingabout this? Yeah, and if you46000:32:58.769 --> 00:33:01.650get an answer where you know it'sjust like well, this is this is46100:33:01.730 --> 00:33:06.529just a political issue, then ofcourse you know, with grace, answer46200:33:06.690 --> 00:33:13.799that and talk to that. Butyou can't be in a congregation where a46300:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.119pastor is going to be in asense, opposing what you're what you're doing.46400:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.599You're doing the work of God.It might be time to seek the46500:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.079Lord and find another place to getplugged into. Yeah, I would say46600:33:24.119 --> 00:33:29.390that would that would be my lastsort of last thing I would do.46700:33:29.430 --> 00:33:31.190I would want to talk to thepastor first and see why he's not addressing46800:33:31.269 --> 00:33:35.589this issue. You know, alot of pastors are just, I don't46900:33:35.630 --> 00:33:39.190know scared is the right word,but you know they're a pastor's heart is47000:33:39.230 --> 00:33:43.420a shepherd's heart. He wants toshepherd his people. He don't want to47100:33:43.420 --> 00:33:45.220beat him over the head with awith his shepherd's crook. He wants to47200:33:45.299 --> 00:33:50.380lead them and to guide them.And some pastors know they have post aboard47300:33:50.380 --> 00:33:52.940of women in their congregation and theydon't want to hit this issue hard because47400:33:52.980 --> 00:33:55.769they don't want these women to feellike, you know, they're they're not47500:33:55.930 --> 00:34:00.650Christians or they've done the worst thingpossible. I mean it's terrible, but47600:34:00.730 --> 00:34:05.690it's not the unforgivable sin. Yeah, and so you know, understand where47700:34:05.690 --> 00:34:08.010your pastors coming from, and thatis helpful. Of course. We know47800:34:08.610 --> 00:34:12.519that the best thing that a pastorcan do is he if he has a47900:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.480post aboard of woman in his congregation, more than likely, as more than48000:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.679plenty of multipactly. Yeah, ofcourse, just to statistics is to address48100:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.349the issue of abortion. Address theissue of abortion with grace, but with48200:34:23.510 --> 00:34:28.630truth, because a person doesn't gethealing until they've first acknowledge they have a48300:34:28.789 --> 00:34:31.429disease. Right, you know?Right. Yeah, I think he raised48400:34:31.829 --> 00:34:37.030again another really important point and thatkind of takes me to another issue of48500:34:37.190 --> 00:34:42.659discouragement. When you said they theydon't want to offend. Rightly so,48600:34:43.019 --> 00:34:47.460to some degree we don't want tooffend, not purposely, because if if48700:34:47.940 --> 00:34:53.090a pastor offends this whole group ofpost aboard of women and they leave,48800:34:53.250 --> 00:34:57.969well then what for them? Theyneed the church. So it's a I48900:34:58.289 --> 00:35:02.730understand there's a balance, yeah,in how you address difficult social issues,49000:35:05.090 --> 00:35:07.920but the flip side of that,which is the source of discouragement, is49100:35:08.280 --> 00:35:15.880we hear all the time that we'renot tolerant or that we're judgmental. And49200:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.590and tolerant is like the the Ithink I called that the anthem of our49300:35:21.670 --> 00:35:30.710times. Yeah, these tolerant ismore important than than any absolute standard of49400:35:30.909 --> 00:35:36.579right or wrong, and to meI will sometimes be on that sidewalk and49500:35:36.900 --> 00:35:44.260and speaking with with what I know, I know it's true, and these49600:35:44.460 --> 00:35:50.690people coming back at me you're justbeing judgmental, you're just intolerant, when49700:35:50.809 --> 00:35:54.449what I'm saying is, first ofall based on scripture. But but that49800:35:54.690 --> 00:36:00.650a mother shouldn't kill her baby.Yeah, and sometimes I'm like, how49900:36:00.690 --> 00:36:06.599can this even be a point ofcontention? Yeah, so well, know,50000:36:06.719 --> 00:36:08.639one of the things I'll say,just going from the last point and50100:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.079about sort of feeling isolated in thechurch context. You know, I will50200:36:13.119 --> 00:36:19.590say this an ill stress this everytime I get the opportunity. Every Christian50300:36:19.710 --> 00:36:22.869needs to be in church, needsto be in the within the accountability of50400:36:22.909 --> 00:36:27.230a local church, under Godly leadershipand all of that. Yeah, but50500:36:27.550 --> 00:36:30.110there is in the modern church andin the world, of course, this50600:36:30.349 --> 00:36:36.420idea that the worst thing we couldpossibly do is be judgmental and the worst50700:36:36.420 --> 00:36:39.619way that we can carry ourselves isto be perceived as judgmental, which is50800:36:39.739 --> 00:36:44.460ridiculous. Right, when people we'redealing with the number one moral issue of50900:36:44.539 --> 00:36:50.329our day, when people are literallydying, to worry about the world's perception?51000:36:50.409 --> 00:36:53.210I think that's that's some of thefear that some pastors have, as51100:36:53.250 --> 00:36:57.769they don't want to be perceived bythe world as being judgmental. Right,51200:36:57.849 --> 00:37:00.519we're going to be inviting, I'mgoing to be perceived as tolerant, but51300:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.760the scripture doesn't give us the abilityto tolerate things that God does not tolerate.51400:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.920God does not tolerate sin, Goddoes not tolerate in the word tolerance,51500:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.480you know you can play with thatword. We need to be I51600:37:15.559 --> 00:37:17.150don't even know, I don't evenlike the word tolerant. But we need51700:37:17.230 --> 00:37:21.389to be understanding of people. Weneed to meet people where they're at.51800:37:21.469 --> 00:37:23.670Paul says, you know, I'vebecome all things to all people. Basically,51900:37:23.670 --> 00:37:27.829he saying I'm meet people where they'reat. He doesn't mean he compromise52000:37:27.909 --> 00:37:30.940truth, but he met people wherethey were at. We need to meet52100:37:30.980 --> 00:37:32.699people where they're at. Yeah,certainly. You know, I've heard people's52200:37:32.860 --> 00:37:37.820you know, pastors say, orChristians. I don't you know, I52300:37:37.900 --> 00:37:39.980don't want any homosexuals in my church. You know, if homosexual comes in52400:37:40.059 --> 00:37:43.940my church, I'll disinvite them.I'm like no, you want them in52500:37:44.059 --> 00:37:46.250your church to hear the truth.I'm not going to allow them to be52600:37:46.449 --> 00:37:49.929playing on the on the worship team. I'm not going to invite them into52700:37:49.929 --> 00:37:52.289membership until they've turned from their sinand put their trust in Jesus. But52800:37:52.409 --> 00:37:55.489we certainly want to be tolerant ofpeople. We want to be in the52900:37:55.570 --> 00:38:00.880sense that we meet them where they'reat. We hear what their concerns are,53000:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.519we hear what their struggles are.I actually enjoy on a regular basis53100:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.000talking to the pro abortion people infront of the the abortion clinic and in53200:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.480here and there their struggles and hearin their life stories and hear and how53300:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.550they came to the conclusion that theycame to. Yeah, I actually listening53400:38:15.030 --> 00:38:21.670to them. Yeah, but alsowe have to understand as believers we are53500:38:21.789 --> 00:38:28.099called to make judgments about behavior.If we look at abortion and the destructive53600:38:28.179 --> 00:38:32.579nature of abortion, we're not judgmentalin saying this thing is destructive, it's53700:38:32.579 --> 00:38:37.659sinful and it's wrong. We're notjudgmental in the sense we're right and people53800:38:37.739 --> 00:38:42.650off, and we're not intolerant asfar as of the people. We're just53900:38:42.809 --> 00:38:46.489looking at behavior and we've saying thisbehavior is is wrong. I wrote down54000:38:46.530 --> 00:38:52.969some verses that that speak to towhat you just said. First, Corinthians54100:38:53.050 --> 00:38:55.440six, two to three. Yeah, it is a great one, right,54200:38:55.559 --> 00:39:00.199or do you not know that thesaints will judge the world? And54300:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.119if the world is and who arethe saints? US? Yeah, the54400:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.559the people who have claimed Jesus asLord and if the world is to be54500:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.590judged by you, are you incompetentto try trivial cases? Do you not54600:39:09.829 --> 00:39:15.590know that we are to judge angels? How much more than matters pertaining to54700:39:15.710 --> 00:39:20.469this life? So get you know, God tells us where we are to54800:39:20.590 --> 00:39:23.070judge and we're and he has preparedus to judge, and our judgment is54900:39:23.190 --> 00:39:29.940based on on scripture and on theHoly Spirit within us, that that will55000:39:29.980 --> 00:39:34.820guide us into all righteousness. Weknow right from wrong. I just heard55100:39:34.820 --> 00:39:39.010a news report about I can't rememberwhat native American tribe it was, may55200:39:39.130 --> 00:39:43.849in or Inkne, one of thosefrom and I honestly don't remember, but55300:39:44.690 --> 00:39:53.639they had just found a burial siteof thousands of infants sacrificed to the false55400:39:53.760 --> 00:40:00.320God in response to the natural weatherdisasters of the time. Is what they55500:40:00.400 --> 00:40:06.280said. Anna and I cried asI was listening to this and picture neck.55600:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.269They described this burial side and theydescribed the they there were footprints which55700:40:10.269 --> 00:40:15.630were in the in the rock thathad been fossilized. Yeah, of parents,55800:40:15.909 --> 00:40:22.340apparent footprints, large footprints and littlefootprints. So they were literally walking55900:40:22.059 --> 00:40:25.860these these babies to the well.I don't know if they were babies,56000:40:25.900 --> 00:40:30.539but infants, young young people toto be sacrificed. And then there was56100:40:30.619 --> 00:40:36.210evidence in the skeletal structure of these, of the the remains, that they56200:40:36.289 --> 00:40:42.409found that the way that the ribshad been wrenched open that they had been56300:40:42.449 --> 00:40:46.849attempting to pull out the heart.And I have read of living children as56400:40:46.889 --> 00:40:52.320a sacrifice to the gods. Ithink you take that to any socalled pro56500:40:52.440 --> 00:40:57.400choice person and you say, isthis right or is this wrong? Yeah,56600:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.639the is there anyone except an absolutesociopath that would say this is right,56700:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.590this is okay, this is theirchoice. It's their culture, you56800:41:07.710 --> 00:41:13.190know, it's was. It wastheir culture and and I wondered, did56900:41:13.389 --> 00:41:17.980anyone stand up? Yeah, didanyone stand up and say this is wrong?57000:41:20.420 --> 00:41:24.420And that's how I feel now.We need we need to be those57100:41:24.940 --> 00:41:31.219who, despite all the lies anddeceptions of the socalled pro choice movements,57200:41:31.300 --> 00:41:37.769say a mother should not kill herbaby. I know that to be right.57300:41:38.289 --> 00:41:45.809We all know that to be right. And rationalize and justify evil and57400:41:45.929 --> 00:41:47.920you're wrong. Yeah, it's funny, you know what? That whole idea57500:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.559of don't be judgmental and don't beintolerants, like the whole thing we're asking57600:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.239people not to kill their children andthe whole thing is turned around like the57700:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.159evil ones are the people that areasking for the MOM's not to kill their57800:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.750children's, asking for society to repentof this, this embracing of evil.57900:42:04.829 --> 00:42:07.469Exactly, is exactly like one ofthe problems, I believe, is Jeremiah,58000:42:07.469 --> 00:42:12.230who to you who call good eviland evil good. It's like it's58100:42:12.510 --> 00:42:15.630this thing is turned on its head. Yeah, just this morning one of58200:42:15.670 --> 00:42:20.780the socalled pro choice people turn toone of the other people who are out58300:42:20.780 --> 00:42:22.940there who actually is not with citiesfor life, but but said here you58400:42:23.099 --> 00:42:28.659are, another day of harassment comingup. And I said, do you58500:42:28.820 --> 00:42:34.889not have compassion on these babies?Yeah, and and do you not see58600:42:35.050 --> 00:42:37.690this? It, this is notharassment, this is speaking up out of58700:42:37.809 --> 00:42:43.449compassion and for those unborn babies.And then it turned into the argument they58800:42:43.489 --> 00:42:45.639were not a baby, which is, you know, we don't need to58900:42:45.719 --> 00:42:53.079get into that room now. Butbut you know, another another, huge,59000:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.119huge source of discouragement, which Ithink we've kind of alluded to,59100:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.750is so we're out there and manypeople in all walks of the pro life59200:43:01.789 --> 00:43:08.030movement and all facets of it.Yeah, Sharing Biblical truth, Sharing Human59300:43:08.110 --> 00:43:13.860Development Truth, which we we knownow so much more than than when Rob59400:43:14.059 --> 00:43:20.900Wade was was passed by the SupremeCourt. And and we personally, as59500:43:20.980 --> 00:43:24.300sidewalk counselors, even go another stepand offer resources to these women. And59600:43:25.019 --> 00:43:30.969they still choose death. Yeah,we've done all we know to do.59700:43:30.449 --> 00:43:35.369Yeah, and they still choose death. Yeah, I mean that's man,59800:43:35.489 --> 00:43:39.449that's that's stuff we I've literally seen, we've had in ministry. You know,59900:43:39.530 --> 00:43:45.440I'm one story in particular, amom of eighteen week old baby who60000:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.039is on the RV and I don'tknow if you were one of the counselors.60100:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.480Don't recall exactly who was the counsel, but they own them. The60200:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.869moultrasound. You Right Front of theabortion clinic and saw their baby on the60300:43:54.909 --> 00:44:00.349ultrasound and then stepped right off thatRV and went right into that abortion clinic60400:44:00.429 --> 00:44:04.309and kill that eighteen week old baby, and an Asian. Everything was visible.60500:44:04.349 --> 00:44:06.550I mean in eighteen weeks, youknow, you can find out whether60600:44:06.590 --> 00:44:08.630it's a boy or girl. Yeah, and all of that, and it's60700:44:08.670 --> 00:44:13.940like, man, they poured everythingin to this young lady, showed her60800:44:13.980 --> 00:44:16.860all the resources are available, likethere is no good reason for you to60900:44:16.980 --> 00:44:22.179go in there and kill your child, and she did. We have come61000:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.570searchs when they'll say you going toraise my baby and we have a consort.61100:44:24.650 --> 00:44:28.769Just this past week right the saidyes, yes, I really,61200:44:28.849 --> 00:44:32.050yeah, and and and and Ye. Still yet they cheese will go and61300:44:32.210 --> 00:44:37.170have abortions. And ultimately it comesdown to people have to make you know,61400:44:37.449 --> 00:44:40.360have to. They have to makethe decision. You've talked about pro61500:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.840choice. We can't, literally can't, force them to do the right thing.61600:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.639Yeah, we have at our disposalthe power of persuasion and, I61700:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.909believe God's word and the resources andthe things that we offer human development,61800:44:52.949 --> 00:44:55.949all those things are are or whatwe use within that power of persuasion.61900:44:57.030 --> 00:45:01.630But ultimately it's between that mom andthe Lord what she does. Yeah,62000:45:02.030 --> 00:45:05.510we can't force her to do theright thing. Now, we want to62100:45:05.550 --> 00:45:08.179do everything we can and we're notjustifying abortion. We're not offering abortion,62200:45:08.260 --> 00:45:12.460of course, as an option.Laying out your available options here. Yeah,62300:45:12.500 --> 00:45:15.420but the fact of the matter isnow, speaking to epiaks the other62400:45:15.420 --> 00:45:19.460day about about this very thing,she's coming out of the abortion clinic and62500:45:19.980 --> 00:45:23.289and she was trying to justify abortionand all of this. And you know,62600:45:23.409 --> 00:45:29.449she talked about, you know,how we don't stand against the death62700:45:29.530 --> 00:45:31.730penalty and all these things. She'sgoing great, yeah, kind of around62800:45:31.730 --> 00:45:37.119the loop there. And she saida women have her to choose to do62900:45:37.239 --> 00:45:38.320what they want, even if youthink it's wrong. And you know,63000:45:38.440 --> 00:45:42.000God gives us so, she says, she's a God gives people the right63100:45:42.119 --> 00:45:46.519to choose. Yes, I said, the reality is you are correct about63200:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.710that. A mother of a threeyear old has a right to choose before63300:45:52.789 --> 00:45:55.630the Lord. I don't mean rightlike legally, but I mean like God63400:45:55.750 --> 00:46:00.949gives her the free will to choose. She could slip that three year olds63500:46:00.989 --> 00:46:02.590or if you want to could shechoose to do that? Yes, she63600:46:02.750 --> 00:46:07.340could choose to do that. Right, she's going to suffer the consequences.63700:46:07.820 --> 00:46:10.500Some people use this, this ideathat we have this this freedom to choose63800:46:10.539 --> 00:46:15.059as free will as like. Okay, well, since God is given me63900:46:15.099 --> 00:46:16.739free will, therefore he's okay witheverything that I choose to do with that64000:46:16.820 --> 00:46:20.650free will. No, not atall. As a matter of fact,64100:46:20.730 --> 00:46:23.090the things that you do out ofyour own volition are the things that you're64200:46:23.090 --> 00:46:28.250going to be held accountable before,before the Lord form. So a mother64300:46:28.329 --> 00:46:30.250that chooses to kill her three yearold, or mother that chooses to kill64400:46:30.289 --> 00:46:35.440her, you know, three monthold in the womb, is going to64500:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.760be accountable to God. Yes,she's not been given you under God's law.64600:46:38.880 --> 00:46:43.400God's law clearly says a sixth commandment, you shall not murder. Right.64700:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.230So God has not given her theold Kay or the right, so64800:46:46.429 --> 00:46:51.630to speak, legal right, butshe's been given the ability to choose.64900:46:52.309 --> 00:46:55.590And and just because she has thatability to choose, its not mean God65000:46:55.670 --> 00:47:00.269is okay with what she chooses.Right, and as much as we want65100:47:00.070 --> 00:47:05.420one of the things that we westruggle with us. I counselors and and65200:47:05.500 --> 00:47:07.820I'm sure people in pregnancy centers.My Wife Works and in a couple of65300:47:07.860 --> 00:47:12.099pregnancy centers and and deals with thesame thing, and anybody, I think,65400:47:12.219 --> 00:47:15.329who deals with the issue of abortion, where we sort of blame ourselves.65500:47:15.489 --> 00:47:19.210We didn't say things just right andwe didn't do just the right thing,65600:47:19.449 --> 00:47:22.610or or whatever it might be,and it's like, you know,65700:47:22.769 --> 00:47:25.730you just can't say everything just right. You never know exactly what to say65800:47:25.809 --> 00:47:30.239and you you never know exactly what'sgoing to change. This MOM's mind.65900:47:30.280 --> 00:47:34.760And you could even say those thingsexactly right and and just the right time66000:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.559and just the right amount of focusingon whatever point, and she could still66100:47:38.599 --> 00:47:44.239choose to get the stable because ultimatelyit's a spiritual battle. Ultimately it is66200:47:44.389 --> 00:47:49.150a battle between the spiritual forces ofgood versus evil. Yeah, and and66300:47:49.750 --> 00:47:52.829and we give ourselves, I think, too much credit and too much blame.66400:47:52.949 --> 00:47:55.309Yeah, sometimes, and you know, we don't save a soul right,66500:47:55.510 --> 00:48:00.059it's God who saves and God whochanges their heart. There there's a66600:48:00.099 --> 00:48:02.699verse that that I think, hashelped me. Second Corinthians, for for66700:48:04.260 --> 00:48:07.940in their case, the god ofthis world, being Satan, has blinded66800:48:08.059 --> 00:48:12.539the minds of the unbelievers to keepthem from seeing the light of the Gospel,66900:48:12.579 --> 00:48:15.530of the Glory of Christ, whois the image of God. So67000:48:15.570 --> 00:48:17.650if they can't even see the gloryof Christ, who is the image of67100:48:17.690 --> 00:48:22.250God, how do they see thethe sacred value of that baby made in67200:48:22.289 --> 00:48:27.320the image of God? They havebeen blinded and and those scales from their67300:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.000eyes can be removed. And wesee it all the time and it does67400:48:30.159 --> 00:48:36.719happen, but sometimes it doesn't.Yeah, and and and why? Who67500:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.159knows? Who knows why some people'shearts are are softened in some people's are67600:48:40.239 --> 00:48:44.909not. But we do know thatGod's Word is alive and active and sharpening67700:48:44.989 --> 00:48:47.349the need to edged sword. That'swhy we don't neglect to share the truth67800:48:47.469 --> 00:48:52.789of God's word. Right, we'reministering. Well, let's wrap up with67900:48:52.869 --> 00:48:55.699this last point, okay, becauseI think it is an important point.68000:48:57.179 --> 00:49:01.820And bickering, backstabbing and infighting withinpro life group so that that can be68100:49:01.900 --> 00:49:06.139a point of discouragement which, yeah, you look on facebook and you see68200:49:06.219 --> 00:49:08.860people, not just in pro lifestuff but just Christians in general, just68300:49:09.449 --> 00:49:16.650mean throwing lobbing grenades at each otherand just just being sort of nasty and68400:49:16.769 --> 00:49:21.289all that, and there's a lotof backstabbing, a lot of I mean,68500:49:21.289 --> 00:49:25.840I think probably some of it comesto like competition and competition over donors68600:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.440or whatever it might be. MyMinistry is better than your ministry. That's68700:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.719that kind of stuff is just carnaland dishonors the Lord. But it can68800:49:34.760 --> 00:49:39.829be a point of discouragement and todeal with that is a is a difficult68900:49:39.949 --> 00:49:44.590thing, as you're dealing with individuals, you're dealing with people who have their69000:49:44.630 --> 00:49:49.190opinions and strong opinions. You know, we did a podcast months ago about69100:49:49.510 --> 00:49:52.699the abolitionist movement and pro life andthere's a lot of sort of back and69200:49:52.860 --> 00:49:57.380forth there. You should be anabolitionist, I'll know the pro life way69300:49:57.460 --> 00:50:00.179is the way to go. Andit's like, man, you get caught69400:50:00.179 --> 00:50:05.059up in an all those titles andall those you know whatever, catch phrases69500:50:05.500 --> 00:50:09.449and it's really can bog you down. It can. And you know,69600:50:09.530 --> 00:50:15.170one of the things is, Ithink, that we need to understand in69700:50:15.369 --> 00:50:19.730prolife ministry is that really this isnot it's not pro Life Ministry, it's69800:50:19.769 --> 00:50:23.320Gospel Ministry. It's about the Kingdomof God. It's about advancing the Kingdom69900:50:23.320 --> 00:50:30.320of God, glorifying Jesus Christ andproclaiming his Gospel. And you know,70000:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.559hence the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Yeah, we've got to focus on70100:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.949that point and that's a point thatwe can all agree on. The Gospel70200:50:37.070 --> 00:50:42.789needs to go forth and the Gospelis the hope for the abortion minded woman,70300:50:42.989 --> 00:50:45.949right, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and if we neglect that,70400:50:46.110 --> 00:50:50.539then we neglect the most important thingexactly. So I know you know,70500:50:50.780 --> 00:50:57.019unity in the in the non essentials. Wait, how does that go?70600:50:57.820 --> 00:51:01.500So so. So it's unity.If, in the essentials unity and the70700:51:01.619 --> 00:51:06.489whatever, were they not an essentialsgrace? Grace Right, exactly, or70800:51:06.489 --> 00:51:10.650charity? Charity said as exactly,and I in in everything that that is70900:51:12.010 --> 00:51:15.769critical to the salvation. You know, those things we maybe need to have71000:51:15.889 --> 00:51:21.079discussions, yeah, with others,if we truly believe they are, you71100:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.800know, taking someone in and sendingthem on the path to hell. Yeah,71200:51:23.800 --> 00:51:28.719we probably need to have some disagreementand some discussion. Definitely, but71300:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.030most of, I would have tosay most of the bickering in the stuff71400:51:32.110 --> 00:51:37.510that goes on are not over theessentials. Yeah, it's really over those71500:51:37.550 --> 00:51:42.710side issues that they may be importantbut they're not critical. Yeah, and71600:51:42.949 --> 00:51:46.900I mean, I think a helpfulthing with this bickering, backstabbing and in71700:51:47.059 --> 00:51:52.420fighting stuff not to be discouraged byit. Don't be part of it,71800:51:52.260 --> 00:51:54.179you know, sa. Don't getin the mix. You know, and71900:51:54.260 --> 00:51:58.780I see I'm so temp because Ilike to debate, I like to go72000:51:58.940 --> 00:52:01.690back and forth, and so whenI see these facebook posts where people are72100:52:01.690 --> 00:52:05.449going back and forth or whatever,I want so bad a jump in there.72200:52:05.929 --> 00:52:08.849But I resist a temptation because Iknow it's a distraction. It'll get72300:52:08.849 --> 00:52:12.369me caught up. My mind willbe thinking about how to make a better72400:52:12.409 --> 00:52:15.360argument than that person and it's likeit ultimately leads to almost nothing. Now72500:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.480there are some constructive conversations that I'veseen. I've seen them done in a72600:52:20.519 --> 00:52:24.280constructive way and and and I thinkthat's good, and we have those conversations72700:52:24.440 --> 00:52:29.280and respectful of respectful way, insteadof saying I'm right and you're wrong,72800:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.590yeah, to respectfully here. What? Yeah, one of the things that72900:52:32.710 --> 00:52:36.989I think that social media does,and there's a lot of people that talk73000:52:37.070 --> 00:52:40.429about this. There's even secular psychologista talk about this point. But social73100:52:40.469 --> 00:52:47.619media and just conversing with people overthe Internet disconnects us from that facetoface accountability.73200:52:47.739 --> 00:52:52.139Like, if I'm talking to youfacetoface and I oppose the things that73300:52:52.260 --> 00:52:55.099you believe or whatever, I'm goingto talk differently if I'm not seeing you73400:52:55.179 --> 00:52:58.380face to face, because I canit away with whatever, I can say73500:52:58.380 --> 00:53:01.050whatever. I have that sort ofaminemity. You don't see me crying.73600:53:01.090 --> 00:53:05.610Yeah, I don't see you tryand I don't see your facial expressions and73700:53:05.769 --> 00:53:07.969I can sort of hide behind mykeyboard that's easy to do. Just tap73800:53:08.050 --> 00:53:14.360out something and of course you've gotmultiple hours to think about what you're exactly73900:53:14.440 --> 00:53:15.920how you're going to type it outon all that. When you're having a74000:53:16.000 --> 00:53:21.400face to face conversation, is alittle bit of a different way that that74100:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.480plays out and there's a little moreaccountability from you to meet as we're talking74200:53:24.800 --> 00:53:29.030and I get the sense that you'rehuman being like I am. You know,74300:53:29.150 --> 00:53:32.269when you're on the Internet and yourown social media, it's like you're74400:53:32.309 --> 00:53:36.309disconnected. That's not really a person, that's a computer that I'm talking to.74500:53:36.389 --> 00:53:38.670You sort of get that notion.Yeah, and I think people do74600:53:38.869 --> 00:53:44.179say things over social media that theywould never say to your face. Yeah,74700:53:44.340 --> 00:53:47.619and that's that's unfortunate. We shouldbe a person of integrity is a74800:53:47.739 --> 00:53:52.699person who is going to be thesame behind their keyboard and facetoface. Yeah,74900:53:53.260 --> 00:53:57.050we should strive to be like that. If he'Sian for three, eager75000:53:57.130 --> 00:54:00.130to maintain the unity of the spiritin the bond of peace. Yeah.75100:54:00.170 --> 00:54:04.530So I think there's lots of scripture. Yeah, speaks to the need for75200:54:05.090 --> 00:54:10.840brethren, Christians to be unified.Yeah, and and peaceful and peace loving.75300:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.159Yeah, and promoting peace and relationshipswith each other. Yeah, absolutely,75400:54:16.239 --> 00:54:20.119and you know, Paul gives usthis is a scripture I use a75500:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.079lot. Probably use it on otherpodcasts where he's being little bit Goodi then75600:54:23.119 --> 00:54:28.230Huh, it's an only big any. But this is second Timothy, Chapter75700:54:28.309 --> 00:54:30.750Two, Verse Twenty Four, andThe Servant of the Lord must not quarrel75800:54:30.349 --> 00:54:36.670but be gentle to all able toteach patient in humility, correcting those who75900:54:36.750 --> 00:54:39.539in opposition. So there's certainly weshould correct people are in opposition, but76000:54:39.699 --> 00:54:45.019in humility doing if God perhaps willgrant them repentance so that they may know76100:54:45.139 --> 00:54:46.980the truth, that they may cometo their senses and escape the snare of76200:54:47.019 --> 00:54:51.380the devil, having been taken captiveby him to do his will. So76300:54:51.500 --> 00:54:54.050if we want to address people thatare in opposition, people we believe are76400:54:54.090 --> 00:54:58.969wrong, we need to do itin humility and God can grant them repentance.76500:54:59.530 --> 00:55:01.010But if we're just going to tryto try to cram it down their76600:55:01.010 --> 00:55:05.449throat and we're right in your wrong, typically doesn't go so well and it76700:55:05.530 --> 00:55:09.559dishonors the Lord. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's above all things.76800:55:09.800 --> 00:55:15.119Winning an argument is far less importantthan honoring the Lord. We want to76900:55:15.199 --> 00:55:22.429honor Jesus because on your social media, on your whatever Brown, whatever Internet77000:55:22.550 --> 00:55:24.710source that you're using the converse withpeople, there are other people who are77100:55:24.750 --> 00:55:28.750looking to you, their a prochoice, people that are looking and seeing the77200:55:28.829 --> 00:55:31.909infighting and all this stuff, andit ultimately can can dishonor the Lord.77300:55:32.070 --> 00:55:37.059Yeah, yeah, so we hopethat this was an encouragement to you guys.77400:55:37.139 --> 00:55:40.539Hope we answered some of the discouragingthe sources of discouragement that you guys77500:55:40.579 --> 00:55:45.300have. If you have other subjectsor things like that you want to touch77600:55:45.340 --> 00:55:46.980on, you can certainly get intouch with me. D Parks at cities77700:55:47.019 --> 00:55:52.409for lifecom, or V cassey Orgat cities for lifecom. For Vicky,77800:55:52.130 --> 00:55:58.090you can connect with us on facebookor Charlotte cities for life page. You77900:55:58.130 --> 00:56:00.889can always send us a message thatway. You can connect with us again78000:56:01.130 --> 00:56:07.639on by email and also we domention often our sidewalks for life site,78100:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.840sidewalks, the number four in Lifecom, which is a website that we set78200:56:10.880 --> 00:56:15.840up to help encourage people to dosidewalk counseling and just give you some tools78300:56:15.880 --> 00:56:19.989to get trained to do sidewalk counseling, but we appreciate all those who listen78400:56:20.150 --> 00:56:22.550and we do want to hear yourfeedback. If you have time to just78500:56:22.670 --> 00:56:25.349send us over an email. Letus know what you think of the podcast78600:56:25.469 --> 00:56:29.110and some things that we can improve. We'd love to hear from you on78700:56:29.190 --> 00:56:30.829that, on that area, andwe won't be discouraged. Will be encouraged78800:56:30.869 --> 00:56:35.579that you're actually listening, but weappreciate you and hope that you're blessed.78900:56:38.179 --> 00:56:52.090Give for love, give me ourlove for gratitude. I know it will79000:56:52.250 --> 00:57:00.719cost me my life. Nothing's tooprecious in some you