June 23, 2022

Don’t Trust at Face Value

Don’t Trust at Face Value

This episode came out of a recent conversation that Vicky had with a mom that chose life months ago. In this episode, we discuss how to effectively share the Gospel with women who choose life and the fact that we can’t take it at face value if they say that they are a Christian.

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.680 That was the big red flag. Yeah, I knew she was still living 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:11.080 with the boyfriend. I understood it, I get why, but but it 3 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:15.919 it's not the mark of someone with a life that has truly been changed. 4 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:21.559 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me, 5 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:27.519 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel 6 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:33.200 Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you 7 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:37.399 in pro life ministry and always were the focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned, 8 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:50.200 I felt show passish touch your heart. Use Me, Lord. Hey, 9 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:56.079 they're welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. I'm Vicky Kashi York. 10 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.520 Yes, you are, I am, I was yesterday, I will 11 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:03.079 be tomorrow. Well, my God's grace, you will right. And I'm 12 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.200 Daniel Parks and we are blessed to bring you this episode of the Gospel Center 13 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.280 Pro Life podcast. Yes, and I'm going to let Vicki kind of take 14 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.760 the reins on this episode because this is from an experience that she had. 15 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.079 This is not necessarily going to be like a case study. Maybe it is, 16 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.000 I guess, but at least sharing some experiences. But what's kind of 17 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.879 the focus of this episode? Right. The focus is that we have to 18 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:34.959 be very careful about accepting at face value when someone claims to be a believer 19 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:40.879 or claims that they have asked Jesus to be Lord of their life. Okay, 20 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:46.439 and I think that we are quick to believe that because we desire it 21 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.280 so much. YEA, or we want to maintain a relationship and we don't 22 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:55.760 want to challenge when someone, and the someone's in this case, or a 23 00:01:55.879 --> 00:02:01.159 mom, who has chosen life. But when they when we've shared the Gospel 24 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:06.480 with them, that they they said, Oh, I've already done that, 25 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.039 I am a believer, and yet clearly they're living a life that doesn't reflect 26 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:15.759 that. Right, and we want to believe them, but they're there's a 27 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:20.439 such a big danger in believing them, and that danger is they're going to 28 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.599 hell if it's if it's if they're believing that they are a believer, their 29 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:29.879 life certainly doesn't reflect it, and you can find out by asking some questions 30 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:36.439 that indeed they're not, but they believe they are. Yeah, then that 31 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:43.400 becomes kind of our fault, that that these people then are not saved. 32 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:50.680 We've fed into a false belief, a false security that they are saved. 33 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.680 Yeah, there's a great message actually from Ray Comfort. HMM, we kind 34 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.560 of plush right comfort. We love race UPFORT. Yeah, he's Great Guy. 35 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.599 Yeah, he's evangelism, some method which I think is a biblical evangelism 36 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:07.080 method. Is really powerful, it is and it really kind of, I 37 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:13.400 guess, keeps us out of the ditch of giving people a false sense of 38 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.280 security. I think if you follow his framework faithfully, you are absolutely corrected 39 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:22.719 to us. But he has a message called true and false conversion. I 40 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.080 listened to it years ago. It's been a while since I listen to it. 41 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.000 Maybe since we did this podcast episode, I should listen to it again 42 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:35.719 just to reamin myself. But recomfort in his awesome fashion and really engaging fashion, 43 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.960 as a funny guy. Just listening to him talking and preach, he's 44 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:42.639 funny, but he also gets right to the point. Yeah, talking about 45 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:46.400 true and false conversion and how we as believers have a vested interest in making 46 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.879 sure we don't create false converts. Yeah, right, and how do we 47 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.199 do that? We do that by sharing the Gospel and a biblical framework, 48 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.680 not just saying Jesus loves you, so ask him into your heart, but 49 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.560 really getting to into the issue of sin. We need to be talking about 50 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.960 men and women's guilt before God because of our sin. Sin Is what separates 51 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:11.039 us from God, Jesus and his death be own resurrection is the solution to 52 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.400 the problem of sin. But we need to talk about sin, and so 53 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.439 that's what Ray Comfort talks about in that true and false conversion message and it 54 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:23.759 kind of ties right into the subject that we're covering here. Yeah, yeah, 55 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:29.079 it is. It's such an important subject and what sparked this specifically was 56 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.199 about a week ago, maybe two weeks ago, a mom who chose life, 57 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:41.279 actually already had her baby contacted me and she she claimed to be a 58 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:46.319 believer. She had a great story and I wanted to write about that story. 59 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.800 That's that's how I ended up being connected with her. Okay, I 60 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:53.839 can't remember if I was the counselor that first stopped her at the abortion center 61 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.240 or not. I don't remember that part. But she already did have a 62 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:03.319 mentor. She was love's. The Mentor said the mentor has been in any 63 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:10.360 enormous help. They she's had a great baby shower. She she's had a 64 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:15.040 lot of she's even in a Bible study and and she feels truly that the 65 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.519 mentors a friend. So a lot of really great positives. But as we 66 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:27.120 were talking, I just I was hearing red flags, okay, and by 67 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.759 Red Flags I mean I was hearing things that made me really wonder, this 68 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.600 doesn't sound like a believer to me. Okay, she was claiming to be, 69 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:39.079 yeah, but there were so many things going on in her life and 70 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:46.040 even as she's describing her concerns and relationship with God, that made me wonder 71 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:53.399 is she and I really felt the Holy Spirit saying you need to clarify this, 72 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.920 you really do need to confront this. Yeah, because I felt if 73 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.480 she is a convert, she's a else convert, like I do not think 74 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:08.079 that she has a true saving relationship with God, based on what I was 75 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:13.720 hearing. Okay, so, so the the first thing I did, and 76 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.600 that what this I think, what the article I wrote and what I hope 77 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.560 we can convey, is how do you deal with this? Yeah, because 78 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:25.680 it will happen. It comes up. It comes up all the time that 79 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.560 people claim to be a believer. Yeah, I've already asked. One of 80 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:33.920 the products of American Christianity and kind of the easy believi ISM thing that just 81 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:40.600 say a prayer or just if you breathe American air, somehow you're just automatically 82 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.079 a Christian. If grandma was a Christian, you're automatically a Christian. Yeah, 83 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.000 and some of it come. It comes with that. Yeah, I 84 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:50.279 think the American Christianity mindset kind of kind of brings about this yeah, false 85 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:56.199 convert understanding. This this reality that people are false converse, I guess I'm 86 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.560 trying to say. Yeah, and you hear them say things like while I 87 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:00.560 go to church, I read the Bible, I'm in a Bible study and 88 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.279 it you just say, Oh, okay, well then you're a Christian. 89 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:10.120 Well, that's really not right. That would be workspace here salvation. Actually, 90 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:14.160 okay, you go to church, you do Bible Studies and that makes 91 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.680 you a Christian. That's works based salvation and that is not what the Bible 92 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:20.160 teachers. And that was the big red flag. Yeah, I knew she 93 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:27.560 was still living with the boyfriend. I understood it. I get why, 94 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:32.199 but but it it's not the mark of someone with a life that has truly 95 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:39.199 been changed by Jesus. So and I asked, where would you go? 96 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.800 That's the first thing. I think it. That's what Ray Comfort does, 97 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.120 I think the very first thing to help you understand if if this is a 98 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.800 true convert or not, ask them where they're going to go, right. 99 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.120 I. When they die, when they die, where you going to go? 100 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:56.480 Heaven or Hell? And she said Heaven, I hope. As soon 101 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:00.160 as I hear heaven, I hope. Another red flag, right, we 102 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:05.439 should know it. where, if we are truly submitting a life to the 103 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:09.839 Lord, we should know where we're going. Yeah, and so she said 104 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:11.959 I hope, and I said, okay, and why do you? Why 105 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.360 do you think? But you think you are, you hope you are. 106 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.079 Why? And then her answer was very work based. Right, and and 107 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:28.439 instantly that's where I then go into the the Ray Comfort framework of first asking 108 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:37.159 questions that expose sin in your life. But to begin the discussion always, 109 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.399 always in the back of my mind, and I just as a cute to 110 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.519 all of you that that maybe haven't done this a lot. It's uncomfortable at 111 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.799 first, but to always pray for the Holy Spirit to open that door. 112 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:56.519 Yeah, always does open the door for the discussion and then start asking questions, 113 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.840 right, and that's the key to any like the countling sessions that we 114 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.960 do. One onone people at the abortion center, trying to convince them not 115 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.799 to go any kill their baby. Asking questions as a key. Yeah, 116 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.399 when you're sharing the Gospel, when you're trying to encourage another believer that struggling, 117 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:18.840 asking questions. Jesus asked more questions than he gave statements. Yeah, 118 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:20.120 I believe. Don't hold me to that a hundred percent. I was just 119 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.559 going to ask you a lot of gas. He did ask a lot of 120 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.000 questions and I we should maybe count that some day because it's great. I 121 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:31.960 do believe it is the an absolute critical part of being a good counselor. 122 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.200 Yeah, askout, but then, yes, I have to listen right to 123 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:41.039 the answers. So listen carefully to the answers, because they're that was would 124 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:45.000 cued me in her answers or what made me say and I don't think this 125 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.679 person is a believer. I know she's going to Bible study and she's actually 126 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:54.080 had discipleship, but it's not sounding like to me like she truly understands the 127 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.360 the Gospel. So the the next question that that I think is a very 128 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.559 telling question, is and and another counselor technique is reflect on what you've they've 129 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.840 said and say it again in a different way. So you know, I 130 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.440 said, so what you're telling me is you basically believe you're a good person. 131 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.519 Yeah, and the good out, or the good outwaghs the bad. 132 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.320 And she said yeah, that's what she was telling me. Well, then 133 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.600 there's your open door to start sharing. Have you ever told a lie? 134 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.240 Have you ever stolen? Have you ever lusted after a man that you're not 135 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.639 married to? A lot of people ask me how do I introduce the purity 136 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.600 message, which in pretty much every case of dealing with women going to an 137 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.200 abortion center, that needs to be introduced. That's the point at which I 138 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.480 introduce it, right when I say have you ever lust it after a man 139 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:41.960 you're not married to? And they always laugh, which she did, and 140 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:46.279 said, well, yeah, I'm I'm actually, you know, I'm praying. 141 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.840 I'm I had two babies, or maybe more with the boyfriend that I'm 142 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:58.919 not married to. And then going into the law and what God says about 143 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:03.480 sexual immorality. She knew, she knew, you know, and some of 144 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:09.639 them will say I don't know. And their models are their parents did not 145 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:16.039 model sexual purity outside of marriage. Most many of them, their parents were 146 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:22.360 not married or the father's absence. So so, anyway, then she admitted 147 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:28.039 no, she she knows it's wrong. Yeah, and but then we go 148 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:30.559 on, we go through the list. She, of course, has broken 149 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:35.919 every one of the commandments, as have most people. Yeah, and and 150 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.919 then Ray Comfort always says, and I always say it too, ask the 151 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:45.080 question, do you still think you're good? Right, still think you're a 152 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:50.320 good person after all of this? You're lying, thieving, lustful adulter at 153 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:56.360 heart, right, right. And she said No. And by then oftentimes 154 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:03.480 they're like, you can tell, scared, grieving. Yeah, they realize. 155 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:05.840 You know, I talked about the penalty. Then this is the penalty, 156 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.080 rights what the Bible says. This is your penalty. Does that concern 157 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.519 you? And they always say yes, yeah, at that point. So 158 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.960 then I go into Romans ten nine. I don't know if that's where ray 159 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.879 comfort goes, but that's the verse I would I always go to, because 160 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.759 in that verse, if you proclaim with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and 161 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:31.679 Jesus is Lord, if there was a single statement that I would say false 162 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:37.320 converts are not living. It's that right and really helping them to understand if 163 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.519 Jesus is Lord, would you be doing this? This, this, right, 164 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.879 so you've just admitted to me. I said to her that that you 165 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:54.120 believe Jesus is Lord, but, and you've also said, living in sexual 166 00:12:54.559 --> 00:13:01.360 relationship with some of you're not married to is against God's clear commands. Is 167 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.399 Jesus Lord of Your Life? Yeah, if you're doing that. And she 168 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:11.879 said no, right. And then when I said the verse Romans Ten nine 169 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.679 and said have you ever done this, she said no, she's never asked 170 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.919 Jesus to be Lord. She didn't even know it was like something she should 171 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.919 do. Yeah, wow, to which was surprising to me. Yeah, 172 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:28.519 given that she is being discipled in a church and all, why she missed 173 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:33.200 it? She must missed it. Yeah, it's easy for people to miss 174 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.720 playing truth. It's easy. Certainly not pointing the finger wagon, the finger 175 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.600 at the church, because I know for myself. I was in church for 176 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.799 a couple of years, actually about three years in church pretty consistently and had 177 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:54.600 the gospel proclaimed to me. I know that they talked about Romans ten nine 178 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.919 and I just missed it. I just I didn't missed had never really what 179 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.639 it was, as my mom set and everything to do with Christianity and religion 180 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:07.559 was focused on me. Not until I had a like true encounter with my 181 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:13.440 sin I might need for a savior, where someone actually loved me enough to 182 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.039 lay down the plain truth that I am not good, yeah, and that 183 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.799 I need to turn from US and to put my trust in Jesus. Not 184 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:24.000 until that time when it was a really a one on one conversation. Yeah, 185 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.360 that I really understood that I need to turn from sin. Yeah, 186 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:33.559 yeah, turned to Jesus. That's great illustration of your own experience and to 187 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.720 throw me under the bus a little. Yeah, I've shared the Gospel, 188 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.480 I don't know, probably hundreds, if not thousands of times now since I've 189 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.720 been out, you know, as a sidewalk counselor, and I always do, 190 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.279 always with every single mom that I interact with, if I have an 191 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:56.440 extended conversation many of them, early on in my sidewalk career, would then 192 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.480 go on to have a baby shower with caryl chandler. Her Ministry is Truth 193 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.720 and mercy, truth and mercy pro life ministries. Yeah, she's throws great 194 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.759 baby showers. She was who we used before love life and be and we're 195 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:13.399 still using her, but we now we've really hopefully given that over to the 196 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:18.120 Church as opposed to a ministry that does baby showers. Yeah, the Church 197 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.440 has taken that over with the mentors, but at the time Cheryl did them, 198 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:26.120 and Cheryl has a wonderful framework for her baby showers. She always, 199 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.120 always shares the Gospel. Yeah, well, I had always shared the Gospel 200 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.480 with these MOMS. Many of them had come to the Lord and I would 201 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.360 tell Cheryl this mom is a believer, she is come to the Lord, 202 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.519 and then we would go to Cheryl's baby shower, Cheryl would share the Gospel 203 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:50.240 and the mom would would clearly not be a believer. Yeah, and I 204 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.720 would feel so ashamed, but I shouldn't have. And so I think a 205 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:00.080 really valid point for us, because I did it properly. Yeah, but 206 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:08.720 sometimes it needs to be heard a few times before the truth truly transforms and 207 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:15.600 Vix and that's okay sometimes. So when we hear those Red Flags, I 208 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.320 think it's important that we do it again. Then, yeah, we'll share 209 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:23.080 it again, like in your experience. You'd been in church, yeah, 210 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:29.080 but you needed to hear it, maybe in a fresh way, with someone 211 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:34.120 that truly dug into that. The truth of breaking God's law us and your 212 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.399 own. Yes, and it's that same dynamic that we talk about often time, 213 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.799 whether it be sidewalk counseling or sharing the Gospel, whatever we're doing. 214 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.879 At the end of the day, all we can do is plant seeds and 215 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.399 water seeds. We can also till the ground a little bit, right, 216 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.279 yeah, take some of the weeds out. Yeah, using God's word, 217 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.360 but God has to give the increase. They have to have an encounter with 218 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:02.080 Jesus, the Holy Spirit has to move on their hearts to bring conviction and, 219 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.119 of course, help them to understand their need for a savior. Yeah, 220 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.440 and it does take a couple of times, right. We don't just 221 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.920 water a garden one time before we see the increase. Right, you got 222 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.559 a watered a couple times. You know, just put seeds in one time 223 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.960 and you have a garden for the rest of your life. You got to 224 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.880 keep putting seeds in. Yeah, and so that's what we're doing. We're 225 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:23.759 putting seeds in. That's why we need to be intentional about sharing the Gospel, 226 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.039 not ramming it down people's throat or, you know, anything like that. 227 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:32.119 But when we're doing counseling car side or one on one on the sidewalk 228 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.599 in front of the abortion center. Yeah, weaving the Gospel and we're getting 229 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.279 them connected to a mentor on the phone after they've chosen life. We've in 230 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.440 the Gospel and or whatever you we're ministering to them after they had the abortion. 231 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.039 We've in the Gospel and we're doing a baby shower, weaving the Gospel 232 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:49.920 into that. Yeah, Discipleship, weaving the Gospel, because if we keep 233 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:55.240 kind of weaving the Gospel, that thread of the Gospel, through everything that 234 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:59.319 we do, eventually, I believe the light bulb will come on it. 235 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.559 Right. Yeah, even in it in follow up conversations, usually the sideball 236 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:10.480 councilors will have that and asking, and now I'm much more intentionable, intentional 237 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.640 about that, asking them. So, how are you feeling? What has 238 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.799 changed? Do you feel like a new creation in Christ? What is changed 239 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:23.599 in your life? That that and and being more aware that that. Yet 240 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:29.319 it does need nurturing. It just it isn't a oneandone kind of thing at 241 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:34.119 at all. And in extending the invitation which you alluded to early on, 242 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.640 and invitation to submit your life to the Lord, being sure it's not just 243 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.920 a rote repetition. After you because that is speed after me. Yeah, 244 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:47.920 I think. I think that is a very easy way to get a false 245 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:52.119 convert. Yeah, make sure that it's coming from their heart and that they 246 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.039 are expressing fully to God. Yeah, you know, and I do think 247 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:00.279 there is a sense, because there are some folks that are really against giving 248 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.440 invitation because it is the Holy Spirit that gives the increase. It's not some 249 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.920 invitations, not some words that you say. It's the Holy Spirit that regenerates 250 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.839 the heart. Right, but I do think that it's good to give an 251 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.880 invitation. I do think it's good to you can only share so much, 252 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.240 you can't go home forever and you need to wrap the conversation up at some 253 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.359 point. And of course you'll see ray comfort do this when he talks about 254 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.799 their need for a savior'll talk about sin. You know what God did so 255 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.160 that you wouldn't have to go to hell, and of course he explains what 256 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:36.400 God did Jesus and his death bearing resurrection, and then he'll ask so, 257 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:37.759 when do you think you're going to do that? Right, when you when 258 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.000 you think you're going to get right with God, when you think you're going 259 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:44.160 to turn from your sin and put your trust in Jesus. Yeah, yeah, 260 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.519 and so there is kind of like putting it on them. Hey, 261 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:49.160 when are you going to get right with God? Not just leaving it out 262 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:52.880 in the air. And you can do that by saying, would you like 263 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:57.000 to pray, to acknowledge your sin before God and pray and ask Jesus to 264 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.119 be your Lord Right here, right now? Would you like to do do 265 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.400 that? You're not trying to pressure, you're not trying to do a sales 266 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.279 pitch, you're not trying to put a notch on your belt, but you 267 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.559 want them to genuinely come to grips with their their sin and their need for 268 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:12.759 a savior. Yeah, and then, in front of another person, get 269 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:18.319 right with God, right right that accountability. It's that there's just something about 270 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:23.400 that. That confess with your mouth doesn't just happen between you and God privately. 271 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.759 I think it can, but also it's a public profession. If you 272 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:33.400 have a profession of faith in Jesus that you're not willing to give publicly, 273 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:37.680 then is it really a profession? You know, I think it is so 274 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.880 important. I think why? That's why Romans ten nine has professed with your 275 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.400 mouth. Proclaim with your mouth that Jesus is Lord. You're to say it 276 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:49.039 out loud, and I think that when a when women will sometimes tell me, 277 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:52.079 no, I'm not ready, and I'll say I understand, that's that's 278 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.279 fine. I would urge you not to wait too long. I would urge 279 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.160 you to go explore this more. You never know when God's going to call 280 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.599 you home. Yeah, I hope that you would do it before that day. 281 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:10.119 But but I think it is. I can tell when they they're almost 282 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:15.400 always if they've never done that. They're almost always scared and embarrassed. Yeah, 283 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.319 but and say, Oh, I've never done that. I I don't 284 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.079 know if I could do that. Let's say. It's all right, doesn't 285 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.119 have to be fancy. You're talking to your Heavenly Daddy. Yeah, just 286 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:29.559 talk to him like you would to your your dad. He is your dad. 287 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:34.920 He and he he loves you. And and usually I will start a 288 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:37.519 prayer and then I'll say, okay, your turn. I literally say that, 289 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.960 okay, it's your turnout. Yeah, and and then there will usually 290 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:45.759 be a couple of moments of silence because they just don't know what to say. 291 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:52.240 But when they start speaking it it you can tell if this is sincere 292 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.599 right and that their heart truly is at least at a beginning stage of really 293 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:03.720 understanding, yeah, what what the Gospel truly means for them personally. Yeah, 294 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.680 that's good. So never, never, trust. Was the name of 295 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:11.799 the working title of my of my article was don't trust women, kind of 296 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.079 a play on we don't trust women. Well, we do trust women. 297 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:21.359 I think we trust women more than the socalled pro choice people, because they 298 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:25.359 are never offering the choice of life. They're only offering the choice that the 299 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:27.359 woman thinks is the only choice they have, which is death. But never 300 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:32.160 trusted face value. Yeah, it's really the bottom line. Don't trust it 301 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:37.880 at face value if someone claims to be following the Lord when it's pretty clear 302 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.359 that no, they're not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good stuff. 303 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:44.920 Hope this was blessing to you, guys. Hope this taught you, 304 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.759 guys something. We always like to take from our experiences and help you, 305 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:53.720 guys to see how you can add some of these things your ministry and just 306 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:59.680 see people really truly come to the Lord. And we invite you, guys, 307 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:03.759 as we do often, to share this podcast with others. 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