Don’t Trust at Face Value

WEBVTT100:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.680That was the big red flag.Yeah, I knew she was still living200:00:03.680 --> 00:00:11.080with the boyfriend. I understood it, I get why, but but it300:00:11.080 --> 00:00:15.919it's not the mark of someone witha life that has truly been changed.400:00:16.280 --> 00:00:21.559I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me,500:00:21.800 --> 00:00:27.519Lord, I am yours, Iam yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel600:00:27.559 --> 00:00:33.200Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcastdesigned to equip, encourage and challenge you700:00:33.240 --> 00:00:37.399in pro life ministry and always werethe focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned,800:00:39.399 --> 00:00:50.200I felt show passish touch your heart. Use Me, Lord. Hey,900:00:50.240 --> 00:00:56.079they're welcome to the Gospel centered prolife podcast. I'm Vicky Kashi York.1000:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.520Yes, you are, I am, I was yesterday, I will1100:00:59.560 --> 00:01:03.079be tomorrow. Well, my God'sgrace, you will right. And I'm1200:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.200Daniel Parks and we are blessed tobring you this episode of the Gospel Center1300:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.280Pro Life podcast. Yes, andI'm going to let Vicki kind of take1400:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.760the reins on this episode because thisis from an experience that she had.1500:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.079This is not necessarily going to belike a case study. Maybe it is,1600:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.000I guess, but at least sharingsome experiences. But what's kind of1700:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.879the focus of this episode? Right. The focus is that we have to1800:01:27.959 --> 00:01:34.959be very careful about accepting at facevalue when someone claims to be a believer1900:01:36.599 --> 00:01:40.879or claims that they have asked Jesusto be Lord of their life. Okay,2000:01:40.920 --> 00:01:46.439and I think that we are quickto believe that because we desire it2100:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.280so much. YEA, or wewant to maintain a relationship and we don't2200:01:49.319 --> 00:01:55.760want to challenge when someone, andthe someone's in this case, or a2300:01:55.879 --> 00:02:01.159mom, who has chosen life.But when they when we've shared the Gospel2400:02:01.200 --> 00:02:06.480with them, that they they said, Oh, I've already done that,2500:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.039I am a believer, and yetclearly they're living a life that doesn't reflect2600:02:10.080 --> 00:02:15.759that. Right, and we wantto believe them, but they're there's a2700:02:15.080 --> 00:02:20.439such a big danger in believing them, and that danger is they're going to2800:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.599hell if it's if it's if they'rebelieving that they are a believer, their2900:02:24.680 --> 00:02:29.879life certainly doesn't reflect it, andyou can find out by asking some questions3000:02:29.879 --> 00:02:36.439that indeed they're not, but theybelieve they are. Yeah, then that3100:02:36.560 --> 00:02:43.400becomes kind of our fault, thatthat these people then are not saved.3200:02:43.840 --> 00:02:50.680We've fed into a false belief,a false security that they are saved.3300:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.680Yeah, there's a great message actuallyfrom Ray Comfort. HMM, we kind3400:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.560of plush right comfort. We loverace UPFORT. Yeah, he's Great Guy.3500:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.599Yeah, he's evangelism, some methodwhich I think is a biblical evangelism3600:03:01.599 --> 00:03:07.080method. Is really powerful, itis and it really kind of, I3700:03:07.120 --> 00:03:13.400guess, keeps us out of theditch of giving people a false sense of3800:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.280security. I think if you followhis framework faithfully, you are absolutely corrected3900:03:17.360 --> 00:03:22.719to us. But he has amessage called true and false conversion. I4000:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.080listened to it years ago. It'sbeen a while since I listen to it.4100:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.000Maybe since we did this podcast episode, I should listen to it again4200:03:29.360 --> 00:03:35.719just to reamin myself. But recomfortin his awesome fashion and really engaging fashion,4300:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.960as a funny guy. Just listeningto him talking and preach, he's4400:03:38.960 --> 00:03:42.639funny, but he also gets rightto the point. Yeah, talking about4500:03:42.639 --> 00:03:46.400true and false conversion and how weas believers have a vested interest in making4600:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.879sure we don't create false converts.Yeah, right, and how do we4700:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.199do that? We do that bysharing the Gospel and a biblical framework,4800:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.680not just saying Jesus loves you,so ask him into your heart, but4900:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.560really getting to into the issue ofsin. We need to be talking about5000:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.960men and women's guilt before God becauseof our sin. Sin Is what separates5100:04:06.039 --> 00:04:11.039us from God, Jesus and hisdeath be own resurrection is the solution to5200:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.400the problem of sin. But weneed to talk about sin, and so5300:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.439that's what Ray Comfort talks about inthat true and false conversion message and it5400:04:18.519 --> 00:04:23.759kind of ties right into the subjectthat we're covering here. Yeah, yeah,5500:04:23.879 --> 00:04:29.079it is. It's such an importantsubject and what sparked this specifically was5600:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.199about a week ago, maybe twoweeks ago, a mom who chose life,5700:04:32.319 --> 00:04:41.279actually already had her baby contacted meand she she claimed to be a5800:04:41.279 --> 00:04:46.319believer. She had a great storyand I wanted to write about that story.5900:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.800That's that's how I ended up beingconnected with her. Okay, I6000:04:48.839 --> 00:04:53.839can't remember if I was the counselorthat first stopped her at the abortion center6100:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.240or not. I don't remember thatpart. But she already did have a6200:04:58.399 --> 00:05:03.319mentor. She was love's. TheMentor said the mentor has been in any6300:05:03.600 --> 00:05:10.360enormous help. They she's had agreat baby shower. She she's had a6400:05:10.399 --> 00:05:15.040lot of she's even in a Biblestudy and and she feels truly that the6500:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.519mentors a friend. So a lotof really great positives. But as we6600:05:19.519 --> 00:05:27.120were talking, I just I washearing red flags, okay, and by6700:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.759Red Flags I mean I was hearingthings that made me really wonder, this6800:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.600doesn't sound like a believer to me. Okay, she was claiming to be,6900:05:34.800 --> 00:05:39.079yeah, but there were so manythings going on in her life and7000:05:39.199 --> 00:05:46.040even as she's describing her concerns andrelationship with God, that made me wonder7100:05:46.120 --> 00:05:53.399is she and I really felt theHoly Spirit saying you need to clarify this,7200:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.920you really do need to confront this. Yeah, because I felt if7300:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.480she is a convert, she's aelse convert, like I do not think7400:06:01.519 --> 00:06:08.079that she has a true saving relationshipwith God, based on what I was7500:06:08.120 --> 00:06:13.720hearing. Okay, so, sothe the first thing I did, and7600:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.600that what this I think, whatthe article I wrote and what I hope7700:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.560we can convey, is how doyou deal with this? Yeah, because7800:06:20.639 --> 00:06:25.680it will happen. It comes up. It comes up all the time that7900:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.560people claim to be a believer.Yeah, I've already asked. One of8000:06:29.600 --> 00:06:33.920the products of American Christianity and kindof the easy believi ISM thing that just8100:06:34.319 --> 00:06:40.600say a prayer or just if youbreathe American air, somehow you're just automatically8200:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.079a Christian. If grandma was aChristian, you're automatically a Christian. Yeah,8300:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.000and some of it come. Itcomes with that. Yeah, I8400:06:46.040 --> 00:06:50.279think the American Christianity mindset kind ofkind of brings about this yeah, false8500:06:50.439 --> 00:06:56.199convert understanding. This this reality thatpeople are false converse, I guess I'm8600:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.560trying to say. Yeah, andyou hear them say things like while I8700:06:58.639 --> 00:07:00.560go to church, I read theBible, I'm in a Bible study and8800:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.279it you just say, Oh,okay, well then you're a Christian.8900:07:03.279 --> 00:07:10.120Well, that's really not right.That would be workspace here salvation. Actually,9000:07:10.160 --> 00:07:14.160okay, you go to church,you do Bible Studies and that makes9100:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.680you a Christian. That's works basedsalvation and that is not what the Bible9200:07:16.759 --> 00:07:20.160teachers. And that was the bigred flag. Yeah, I knew she9300:07:20.240 --> 00:07:27.560was still living with the boyfriend.I understood it. I get why,9400:07:27.560 --> 00:07:32.199but but it it's not the markof someone with a life that has truly9500:07:32.240 --> 00:07:39.199been changed by Jesus. So andI asked, where would you go?9600:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.800That's the first thing. I thinkit. That's what Ray Comfort does,9700:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.120I think the very first thing tohelp you understand if if this is a9800:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.800true convert or not, ask themwhere they're going to go, right.9900:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.120I. When they die, whenthey die, where you going to go?10000:07:50.160 --> 00:07:56.480Heaven or Hell? And she saidHeaven, I hope. As soon10100:07:56.480 --> 00:08:00.160as I hear heaven, I hope. Another red flag, right, we10200:08:00.160 --> 00:08:05.439should know it. where, ifwe are truly submitting a life to the10300:08:05.480 --> 00:08:09.839Lord, we should know where we'regoing. Yeah, and so she said10400:08:09.879 --> 00:08:11.959I hope, and I said,okay, and why do you? Why10500:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.360do you think? But you thinkyou are, you hope you are.10600:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.079Why? And then her answer wasvery work based. Right, and and10700:08:20.279 --> 00:08:28.439instantly that's where I then go intothe the Ray Comfort framework of first asking10800:08:28.519 --> 00:08:37.159questions that expose sin in your life. But to begin the discussion always,10900:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.399always in the back of my mind, and I just as a cute to11000:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.519all of you that that maybe haven'tdone this a lot. It's uncomfortable at11100:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.799first, but to always pray forthe Holy Spirit to open that door.11200:08:48.879 --> 00:08:56.519Yeah, always does open the doorfor the discussion and then start asking questions,11300:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.840right, and that's the key toany like the countling sessions that we11400:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.960do. One onone people at theabortion center, trying to convince them not11500:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.799to go any kill their baby.Asking questions as a key. Yeah,11600:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.399when you're sharing the Gospel, whenyou're trying to encourage another believer that struggling,11700:09:11.440 --> 00:09:18.840asking questions. Jesus asked more questionsthan he gave statements. Yeah,11800:09:18.879 --> 00:09:20.120I believe. Don't hold me tothat a hundred percent. I was just11900:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.559going to ask you a lot ofgas. He did ask a lot of12000:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.000questions and I we should maybe countthat some day because it's great. I12100:09:26.039 --> 00:09:31.960do believe it is the an absolutecritical part of being a good counselor.12200:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.200Yeah, askout, but then,yes, I have to listen right to12300:09:35.279 --> 00:09:41.039the answers. So listen carefully tothe answers, because they're that was would12400:09:41.240 --> 00:09:45.000cued me in her answers or whatmade me say and I don't think this12500:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.679person is a believer. I knowshe's going to Bible study and she's actually12600:09:48.159 --> 00:09:54.080had discipleship, but it's not soundinglike to me like she truly understands the12700:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.360the Gospel. So the the nextquestion that that I think is a very12800:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.559telling question, is and and anothercounselor technique is reflect on what you've they've12900:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.840said and say it again in adifferent way. So you know, I13000:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.440said, so what you're telling meis you basically believe you're a good person.13100:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.519Yeah, and the good out,or the good outwaghs the bad.13200:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.320And she said yeah, that's whatshe was telling me. Well, then13300:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.600there's your open door to start sharing. Have you ever told a lie?13400:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.240Have you ever stolen? Have youever lusted after a man that you're not13500:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.639married to? A lot of peopleask me how do I introduce the purity13600:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.600message, which in pretty much everycase of dealing with women going to an13700:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.200abortion center, that needs to beintroduced. That's the point at which I13800:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.480introduce it, right when I sayhave you ever lust it after a man13900:10:39.519 --> 00:10:41.960you're not married to? And theyalways laugh, which she did, and14000:10:41.960 --> 00:10:46.279said, well, yeah, I'mI'm actually, you know, I'm praying.14100:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.840I'm I had two babies, ormaybe more with the boyfriend that I'm14200:10:50.879 --> 00:10:58.919not married to. And then goinginto the law and what God says about14300:10:58.960 --> 00:11:03.480sexual immorality. She knew, sheknew, you know, and some of14400:11:03.519 --> 00:11:09.639them will say I don't know.And their models are their parents did not14500:11:09.759 --> 00:11:16.039model sexual purity outside of marriage.Most many of them, their parents were14600:11:16.120 --> 00:11:22.360not married or the father's absence.So so, anyway, then she admitted14700:11:22.440 --> 00:11:28.039no, she she knows it's wrong. Yeah, and but then we go14800:11:28.080 --> 00:11:30.559on, we go through the list. She, of course, has broken14900:11:30.639 --> 00:11:35.919every one of the commandments, ashave most people. Yeah, and and15000:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.919then Ray Comfort always says, andI always say it too, ask the15100:11:41.000 --> 00:11:45.080question, do you still think you'regood? Right, still think you're a15200:11:45.120 --> 00:11:50.320good person after all of this?You're lying, thieving, lustful adulter at15300:11:50.399 --> 00:11:56.360heart, right, right. Andshe said No. And by then oftentimes15400:11:56.399 --> 00:12:03.480they're like, you can tell,scared, grieving. Yeah, they realize.15500:12:03.919 --> 00:12:05.840You know, I talked about thepenalty. Then this is the penalty,15600:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.080rights what the Bible says. Thisis your penalty. Does that concern15700:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.519you? And they always say yes, yeah, at that point. So15800:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.960then I go into Romans ten nine. I don't know if that's where ray15900:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.879comfort goes, but that's the verseI would I always go to, because16000:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.759in that verse, if you proclaimwith your mouth that Jesus is Lord and16100:12:24.879 --> 00:12:31.679Jesus is Lord, if there wasa single statement that I would say false16200:12:31.759 --> 00:12:37.320converts are not living. It's thatright and really helping them to understand if16300:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.519Jesus is Lord, would you bedoing this? This, this, right,16400:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.879so you've just admitted to me.I said to her that that you16500:12:46.360 --> 00:12:54.120believe Jesus is Lord, but,and you've also said, living in sexual16600:12:54.559 --> 00:13:01.360relationship with some of you're not marriedto is against God's clear commands. Is16700:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.399Jesus Lord of Your Life? Yeah, if you're doing that. And she16800:13:05.440 --> 00:13:11.879said no, right. And thenwhen I said the verse Romans Ten nine16900:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.679and said have you ever done this, she said no, she's never asked17000:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.919Jesus to be Lord. She didn'teven know it was like something she should17100:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.919do. Yeah, wow, towhich was surprising to me. Yeah,17200:13:22.919 --> 00:13:28.519given that she is being discipled ina church and all, why she missed17300:13:28.559 --> 00:13:33.200it? She must missed it.Yeah, it's easy for people to miss17400:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.720playing truth. It's easy. Certainlynot pointing the finger wagon, the finger17500:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.600at the church, because I knowfor myself. I was in church for17600:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.799a couple of years, actually aboutthree years in church pretty consistently and had17700:13:48.840 --> 00:13:54.600the gospel proclaimed to me. Iknow that they talked about Romans ten nine17800:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.919and I just missed it. Ijust I didn't missed had never really what17900:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.639it was, as my mom setand everything to do with Christianity and religion18000:14:01.759 --> 00:14:07.559was focused on me. Not untilI had a like true encounter with my18100:14:07.639 --> 00:14:13.440sin I might need for a savior, where someone actually loved me enough to18200:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.039lay down the plain truth that Iam not good, yeah, and that18300:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.799I need to turn from US andto put my trust in Jesus. Not18400:14:18.840 --> 00:14:24.000until that time when it was areally a one on one conversation. Yeah,18500:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.360that I really understood that I needto turn from sin. Yeah,18600:14:26.440 --> 00:14:33.559yeah, turned to Jesus. That'sgreat illustration of your own experience and to18700:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.720throw me under the bus a little. Yeah, I've shared the Gospel,18800:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.480I don't know, probably hundreds,if not thousands of times now since I've18900:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.720been out, you know, asa sidewalk counselor, and I always do,19000:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.279always with every single mom that Iinteract with, if I have an19100:14:48.279 --> 00:14:56.440extended conversation many of them, earlyon in my sidewalk career, would then19200:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.480go on to have a baby showerwith caryl chandler. Her Ministry is Truth19300:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.720and mercy, truth and mercy prolife ministries. Yeah, she's throws great19400:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.759baby showers. She was who weused before love life and be and we're19500:15:07.759 --> 00:15:13.399still using her, but we nowwe've really hopefully given that over to the19600:15:13.480 --> 00:15:18.120Church as opposed to a ministry thatdoes baby showers. Yeah, the Church19700:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.440has taken that over with the mentors, but at the time Cheryl did them,19800:15:20.480 --> 00:15:26.120and Cheryl has a wonderful framework forher baby showers. She always,19900:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.120always shares the Gospel. Yeah,well, I had always shared the Gospel20000:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.480with these MOMS. Many of themhad come to the Lord and I would20100:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.360tell Cheryl this mom is a believer, she is come to the Lord,20200:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.519and then we would go to Cheryl'sbaby shower, Cheryl would share the Gospel20300:15:43.559 --> 00:15:50.240and the mom would would clearly notbe a believer. Yeah, and I20400:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.720would feel so ashamed, but Ishouldn't have. And so I think a20500:15:54.799 --> 00:16:00.080really valid point for us, becauseI did it properly. Yeah, but20600:16:00.399 --> 00:16:08.720sometimes it needs to be heard afew times before the truth truly transforms and20700:16:10.080 --> 00:16:15.600Vix and that's okay sometimes. Sowhen we hear those Red Flags, I20800:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.320think it's important that we do itagain. Then, yeah, we'll share20900:16:19.399 --> 00:16:23.080it again, like in your experience. You'd been in church, yeah,21000:16:23.120 --> 00:16:29.080but you needed to hear it,maybe in a fresh way, with someone21100:16:29.159 --> 00:16:34.120that truly dug into that. Thetruth of breaking God's law us and your21200:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.399own. Yes, and it's thatsame dynamic that we talk about often time,21300:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.799whether it be sidewalk counseling or sharingthe Gospel, whatever we're doing.21400:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.879At the end of the day,all we can do is plant seeds and21500:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.399water seeds. We can also tillthe ground a little bit, right,21600:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.279yeah, take some of the weedsout. Yeah, using God's word,21700:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.360but God has to give the increase. They have to have an encounter with21800:16:56.440 --> 00:17:02.080Jesus, the Holy Spirit has tomove on their hearts to bring conviction and,21900:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.119of course, help them to understandtheir need for a savior. Yeah,22000:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.440and it does take a couple oftimes, right. We don't just22100:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.920water a garden one time before wesee the increase. Right, you got22200:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.559a watered a couple times. Youknow, just put seeds in one time22300:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.960and you have a garden for therest of your life. You got to22400:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.880keep putting seeds in. Yeah,and so that's what we're doing. We're22500:17:19.920 --> 00:17:23.759putting seeds in. That's why weneed to be intentional about sharing the Gospel,22600:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.039not ramming it down people's throat or, you know, anything like that.22700:17:27.079 --> 00:17:32.119But when we're doing counseling car sideor one on one on the sidewalk22800:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.599in front of the abortion center.Yeah, weaving the Gospel and we're getting22900:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.279them connected to a mentor on thephone after they've chosen life. We've in23000:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.440the Gospel and or whatever you we'reministering to them after they had the abortion.23100:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.039We've in the Gospel and we're doinga baby shower, weaving the Gospel23200:17:45.079 --> 00:17:49.920into that. Yeah, Discipleship,weaving the Gospel, because if we keep23300:17:51.200 --> 00:17:55.240kind of weaving the Gospel, thatthread of the Gospel, through everything that23400:17:55.279 --> 00:17:59.319we do, eventually, I believethe light bulb will come on it.23500:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.559Right. Yeah, even in itin follow up conversations, usually the sideball23600:18:03.599 --> 00:18:10.480councilors will have that and asking,and now I'm much more intentionable, intentional23700:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.640about that, asking them. So, how are you feeling? What has23800:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.799changed? Do you feel like anew creation in Christ? What is changed23900:18:18.839 --> 00:18:23.599in your life? That that andand being more aware that that. Yet24000:18:23.680 --> 00:18:29.319it does need nurturing. It justit isn't a oneandone kind of thing at24100:18:29.559 --> 00:18:34.119at all. And in extending theinvitation which you alluded to early on,24200:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.640and invitation to submit your life tothe Lord, being sure it's not just24300:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.920a rote repetition. After you becausethat is speed after me. Yeah,24400:18:42.920 --> 00:18:47.920I think. I think that isa very easy way to get a false24500:18:47.960 --> 00:18:52.119convert. Yeah, make sure thatit's coming from their heart and that they24600:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.039are expressing fully to God. Yeah, you know, and I do think24700:18:56.079 --> 00:19:00.279there is a sense, because thereare some folks that are really against giving24800:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.440invitation because it is the Holy Spiritthat gives the increase. It's not some24900:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.920invitations, not some words that yousay. It's the Holy Spirit that regenerates25000:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.839the heart. Right, but Ido think that it's good to give an25100:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.880invitation. I do think it's goodto you can only share so much,25200:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.240you can't go home forever and youneed to wrap the conversation up at some25300:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.359point. And of course you'll seeray comfort do this when he talks about25400:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.799their need for a savior'll talk aboutsin. You know what God did so25500:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.160that you wouldn't have to go tohell, and of course he explains what25600:19:30.200 --> 00:19:36.400God did Jesus and his death bearingresurrection, and then he'll ask so,25700:19:36.480 --> 00:19:37.759when do you think you're going todo that? Right, when you when25800:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.000you think you're going to get rightwith God, when you think you're going25900:19:41.000 --> 00:19:44.160to turn from your sin and putyour trust in Jesus. Yeah, yeah,26000:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.519and so there is kind of likeputting it on them. Hey,26100:19:47.519 --> 00:19:49.160when are you going to get rightwith God? Not just leaving it out26200:19:49.160 --> 00:19:52.880in the air. And you cando that by saying, would you like26300:19:52.000 --> 00:19:57.000to pray, to acknowledge your sinbefore God and pray and ask Jesus to26400:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.119be your Lord Right here, rightnow? Would you like to do do26500:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.400that? You're not trying to pressure, you're not trying to do a sales26600:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.279pitch, you're not trying to puta notch on your belt, but you26700:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.559want them to genuinely come to gripswith their their sin and their need for26800:20:08.599 --> 00:20:12.759a savior. Yeah, and then, in front of another person, get26900:20:12.839 --> 00:20:18.319right with God, right right thataccountability. It's that there's just something about27000:20:18.400 --> 00:20:23.400that. That confess with your mouthdoesn't just happen between you and God privately.27100:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.759I think it can, but alsoit's a public profession. If you27200:20:26.839 --> 00:20:33.400have a profession of faith in Jesusthat you're not willing to give publicly,27300:20:33.240 --> 00:20:37.680then is it really a profession?You know, I think it is so27400:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.880important. I think why? That'swhy Romans ten nine has professed with your27500:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.400mouth. Proclaim with your mouth thatJesus is Lord. You're to say it27600:20:45.400 --> 00:20:49.039out loud, and I think thatwhen a when women will sometimes tell me,27700:20:49.079 --> 00:20:52.079no, I'm not ready, andI'll say I understand, that's that's27800:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.279fine. I would urge you notto wait too long. I would urge27900:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.160you to go explore this more.You never know when God's going to call28000:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.599you home. Yeah, I hopethat you would do it before that day.28100:21:03.920 --> 00:21:10.119But but I think it is.I can tell when they they're almost28200:21:10.160 --> 00:21:15.400always if they've never done that.They're almost always scared and embarrassed. Yeah,28300:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.319but and say, Oh, I'venever done that. I I don't28400:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.079know if I could do that.Let's say. It's all right, doesn't28500:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.119have to be fancy. You're talkingto your Heavenly Daddy. Yeah, just28600:21:25.240 --> 00:21:29.559talk to him like you would toyour your dad. He is your dad.28700:21:29.599 --> 00:21:34.920He and he he loves you.And and usually I will start a28800:21:34.920 --> 00:21:37.519prayer and then I'll say, okay, your turn. I literally say that,28900:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.960okay, it's your turnout. Yeah, and and then there will usually29000:21:41.039 --> 00:21:45.759be a couple of moments of silencebecause they just don't know what to say.29100:21:45.799 --> 00:21:52.240But when they start speaking it ityou can tell if this is sincere29200:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.599right and that their heart truly isat least at a beginning stage of really29300:21:56.759 --> 00:22:03.720understanding, yeah, what what theGospel truly means for them personally. Yeah,29400:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.680that's good. So never, never, trust. Was the name of29500:22:06.960 --> 00:22:11.799the working title of my of myarticle was don't trust women, kind of29600:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.079a play on we don't trust women. Well, we do trust women.29700:22:15.119 --> 00:22:21.359I think we trust women more thanthe socalled pro choice people, because they29800:22:21.359 --> 00:22:25.359are never offering the choice of life. They're only offering the choice that the29900:22:25.359 --> 00:22:27.359woman thinks is the only choice theyhave, which is death. But never30000:22:27.400 --> 00:22:32.160trusted face value. Yeah, it'sreally the bottom line. Don't trust it30100:22:32.359 --> 00:22:37.880at face value if someone claims tobe following the Lord when it's pretty clear30200:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.359that no, they're not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good stuff.30300:22:41.440 --> 00:22:44.920Hope this was blessing to you,guys. Hope this taught you,30400:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.759guys something. We always like totake from our experiences and help you,30500:22:48.759 --> 00:22:53.720guys to see how you can addsome of these things your ministry and just30600:22:53.799 --> 00:22:59.680see people really truly come to theLord. And we invite you, guys,30700:22:59.720 --> 00:23:03.759as we do often, to sharethis podcast with others. 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