Do Unborn Babies Go To Heaven?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.440 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.910 I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center per life podcast. In 3 00:00:10.990 --> 00:00:15.390 this episode we're going to ask and answer the question, hopefully, do unborn 4 00:00:15.429 --> 00:00:20.109 children go to heaven? This is an important theological question, so stay tuned. 5 00:00:23.660 --> 00:02:20.379 I felt your past touch your heart getting to go to heaven. Okay, 6 00:02:20.539 --> 00:02:22.620 in the scripture, and I think we can kind of build a case. 7 00:02:22.939 --> 00:02:24.620 Yeah, that that that, I think, is both of our our 8 00:02:24.699 --> 00:02:30.289 feelings as we have delved through the scripture. So you know, and I 9 00:02:30.889 --> 00:02:35.610 I took some notes here and and there are some verses that I think are 10 00:02:35.689 --> 00:02:39.090 good premise versus, yeah, for us to look at him. One of 11 00:02:39.129 --> 00:02:46.159 those is genesis eighteen, twenty five, okay, and I have the end 12 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.639 of that verse. I don't think this is the full verse, but shall 13 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:55.080 not the judge of all the earth deal justly? Yes, is speaking about 14 00:02:55.159 --> 00:03:00.110 God, and the reason that that's such an important first I think in this 15 00:03:00.310 --> 00:03:07.629 subject is because this subject really does go to the character of God. Yeah, 16 00:03:07.909 --> 00:03:16.419 would a just, righteous God condemn an infant or an unborn baby to 17 00:03:16.539 --> 00:03:20.699 how? Yeah, you know, I think that's the understanding that people need 18 00:03:20.780 --> 00:03:25.139 to have. I've had conversations with people and I've seen facebook postings from people 19 00:03:25.659 --> 00:03:29.409 that, you know, I'm like, what the world's going on here? 20 00:03:29.449 --> 00:03:31.090 You know, people say that. You know, for people say that we 21 00:03:31.169 --> 00:03:37.210 need to be at the abortion clinics because unborn babies go to hell and part 22 00:03:37.250 --> 00:03:42.520 of our intervention there's not just saving the lives of unborn children but also saving 23 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.360 them from from Hell, and that really rubs me the wrong way because I'm 24 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:52.039 like, what in the world like that? That doesn't seem to be biblical. 25 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:57.430 It doesn't seem to to accurate, accurately convey the character of God as 26 00:03:57.469 --> 00:04:02.509 I see it in the scripture and and it just offends my sensitivities. But 27 00:04:02.830 --> 00:04:06.550 again, I don't want to be just driven emotionally. Right, you're making 28 00:04:06.590 --> 00:04:11.259 God look bad. I want to be driven by what let the truth is, 29 00:04:11.340 --> 00:04:15.139 what actually is, is true about what God's words say. Right, 30 00:04:15.539 --> 00:04:17.860 right. You know another thing, and we've dealt with this, and I 31 00:04:18.459 --> 00:04:24.810 forget exactly what podcast. Well, we early on, I believe, we 32 00:04:24.970 --> 00:04:28.449 talked about some of the pro choice arguments and that sort of thing, and 33 00:04:28.569 --> 00:04:31.449 we mention this subject and we've heard it from prochoice people. If all of 34 00:04:31.529 --> 00:04:35.410 these babies are going to heaven, then why on the world are you guys 35 00:04:35.569 --> 00:04:40.720 trying to stop them from being aboarded? Because this is just a fast way 36 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.759 to get them to heaven. Right. You're kind of showing the flip side 37 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:48.839 of this argument. On one hand, it it is this incredible, Wady, 38 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:56.870 discouraging, depressing thought that we are watching three thousand and twenty forty souls 39 00:04:57.350 --> 00:05:00.910 condemned, yeah, every day. If this is true, that they don't 40 00:05:00.910 --> 00:05:03.470 go to heaven, yeah, that they're going to hell. You know, 41 00:05:03.670 --> 00:05:08.860 then I can't imagine not just weeping on the sidewalk every day, and I 42 00:05:08.899 --> 00:05:11.579 don't know how I could be there. And then, on the other hand, 43 00:05:11.980 --> 00:05:15.420 those are saying ad's no big deal, these are all going to heaven 44 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:17.819 anyway. Right, why don't you just go home and drink coffee and and 45 00:05:18.060 --> 00:05:21.850 have a Bon Boux? I know, I know one guy had put on 46 00:05:23.009 --> 00:05:25.930 facebook and when three of that I was watching. You know, if if 47 00:05:25.970 --> 00:05:29.490 all unborn babies go to heaven and then when, we shouldn't even be out 48 00:05:29.490 --> 00:05:32.370 there because after all, it's this could be the biggest evangelical revival in the 49 00:05:32.449 --> 00:05:36.439 history of humanity, because we've murdered sixty five million of them. We've sent 50 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:41.879 sixty five million of them directly exactly heaven, and I'm like, okay, 51 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.879 this is just a twist of way to look at it really and it's, 52 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.920 I think, an umbiblical way and we'll get into this some the scriptures. 53 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.870 But we also need to have in our mind because I know that there are 54 00:05:49.910 --> 00:05:55.069 folks that will flippantly say, and I've heard this, that you know, 55 00:05:55.470 --> 00:05:57.949 we have no reason to believe these unborn babies are going to heaven. And 56 00:05:59.269 --> 00:06:02.110 understand what you're saying there the understand when we're talking about the judgment of God 57 00:06:02.589 --> 00:06:05.019 and we're talking about people going to hell. You know, there's this notion 58 00:06:05.139 --> 00:06:09.699 you God doesn't send anyone to hell. We send ourselves to hell. I 59 00:06:09.779 --> 00:06:13.019 understand what they're saying, right. We make decisions to reject the Gospel, 60 00:06:13.339 --> 00:06:15.540 to sin. Our sin is what leads us to to the judgment of God. 61 00:06:15.819 --> 00:06:19.370 But understand, folks, when you're talking about the idea that God puts 62 00:06:19.410 --> 00:06:24.490 any anyone goes to hell, that God is the one putting them there. 63 00:06:25.209 --> 00:06:29.370 God puts people in Him. It's like, before we started the PODCAST, 64 00:06:29.449 --> 00:06:34.199 I'm mention it's kind of like a jailer, a police officer puts someone into 65 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.160 jail, right, because they've committed a crime. Okay, they don't put 66 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.839 themselves in jail. Police officer actually has to get them and put them in 67 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:46.120 jail. Right, biblically speaking, it is God himself who flings people into 68 00:06:46.189 --> 00:06:49.430 hell, into the fires of Hell. So if you are making an argument, 69 00:06:50.069 --> 00:06:54.430 and I'm not just appealing on emotion, I am sort of, but 70 00:06:54.509 --> 00:06:58.389 I'm just talking biblically here. As far as who puts who where, if 71 00:06:58.430 --> 00:07:00.699 you're going to make an argument that God that unborn babies go to hell, 72 00:07:00.740 --> 00:07:08.620 understand you're saying that God puts unborn children and puts infants in Hell. Right, 73 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:12.420 it's not just them going there by default, as far as I mean. 74 00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:14.860 Right, be course we believe that people by De Fault or sin. 75 00:07:14.980 --> 00:07:17.810 Right, right, but God's putting them there. Yeah, and so, 76 00:07:18.089 --> 00:07:20.970 as the just judge of all the earth, exactly. And so thinking about 77 00:07:21.009 --> 00:07:25.610 that, I have often heard us, I'm sure you have well adjust, 78 00:07:25.769 --> 00:07:30.959 God would never put some one in hell to suffer for all eternity. Yeah, 79 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.680 this is different. This is different as you're looking at the character of 80 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:42.879 God, and it's different based on what conclusion we come to. Really regarding. 81 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:50.069 Are these babies innocent? Okay, are they sinners? What? Are 82 00:07:50.149 --> 00:07:55.389 they right and and that's that. That's, I think, really important, 83 00:07:56.470 --> 00:08:01.939 and that's kind of leads to the second premise scripture, looky, that I 84 00:08:03.019 --> 00:08:05.579 wanted to bring up to the first one, was that, with the first 85 00:08:05.699 --> 00:08:07.620 God speaking of Abraham, shall not the judge of all the Earth do right? 86 00:08:07.740 --> 00:08:13.050 Okay, yeah, and that his characters he will do right. Okay, 87 00:08:13.250 --> 00:08:16.170 he will. We can trust he will judge justly. He would judge 88 00:08:16.209 --> 00:08:20.129 rightly. I think he will always do what is right. Is What when? 89 00:08:20.129 --> 00:08:22.689 Yeah, I mean, may I'll say just simply put scripturally, God 90 00:08:22.810 --> 00:08:26.160 cannot do that which is against his nature. Okay, you know. And 91 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.399 so God's nature, you know, God is not a man that he should 92 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.480 lie. It's not that God doesn't want to lie. Yeah, it's not. 93 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.600 Want to put human terminology on God in this sense, but, for 94 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.149 lack of a better term, it's not within God's capacity to lie right like 95 00:08:41.629 --> 00:08:46.230 he can't. Not that he doesn't want to. Yeah, he just can't 96 00:08:46.309 --> 00:08:48.590 write because he is truth itself right completely. In the same way, you 97 00:08:48.789 --> 00:08:54.269 cannot do that which is unjust. Correctly, it's just not within the realm 98 00:08:54.350 --> 00:08:58.500 of possibility. Yeah, because he is the just God. Right. So, 99 00:08:58.179 --> 00:09:01.059 in terms of our infants, innocent, and I'm not going to answer 100 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:03.659 that question yet. I think that by the end of for in question, 101 00:09:03.740 --> 00:09:07.860 it is very important and I think that by the end, I think we'll 102 00:09:07.899 --> 00:09:11.570 have a better understanding after we've gone through the scripture, hopefully now. Just 103 00:09:11.850 --> 00:09:13.450 this little caveat I think we need to put out there, yeah, is 104 00:09:13.570 --> 00:09:20.450 that we are not the intellectual phologians right, that we might put ourselves out 105 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.759 to breaking, that we are not the mean. I'm sure many of you 106 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.039 think we're like top of the wrong theologians were not, you think some people 107 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.080 think that that's the probably don't. Actually, hopefully they don't, but we 108 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.240 do try to think these things for biblically and talking through Bilic biblically. And 109 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.029 if nothing else, guys, this is encouraging you to get into the scriptures 110 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:45.190 exactly see what the Bible says about this and if we're wrong about the conclusions 111 00:09:45.230 --> 00:09:46.789 that were drawing, or at least the conclusions were trying to point you to, 112 00:09:48.629 --> 00:09:50.990 then let us know we're wrong. You know, y'all put my email 113 00:09:50.990 --> 00:09:54.740 address out there on regular basis. I'm on facebook. You're on facebook and 114 00:09:56.059 --> 00:09:58.179 shoot me an email and say hey, you, have you considered this? 115 00:09:58.340 --> 00:10:00.779 If you considered that? So the end of this thing. We're not claiming 116 00:10:00.820 --> 00:10:03.100 to have it all figured out. Yeah, but I do think that we 117 00:10:03.179 --> 00:10:05.059 have some stuff figured out. That, yeah, helpful. It's an honest 118 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:11.570 examination scripture. I think we are doing an honest and and God doesn't just 119 00:10:11.809 --> 00:10:15.809 put scripture out for the high and mighty and the people at the top of 120 00:10:15.850 --> 00:10:18.970 the IQ level, right. He put scripture out to guide all of us. 121 00:10:18.090 --> 00:10:24.320 So the second scripture is Romans three, D and twenty three, for 122 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:30.039 all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. All all have 123 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:35.950 sinned. It doesn't say all people over a certain age, it doesn't even 124 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:41.870 say all born people. It says all have sinned and fall short of the 125 00:10:41.909 --> 00:10:43.470 glory of God. So I think that, you know, that's an important 126 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:50.899 thing to considers as we're thinking about this issue of well, all have sinned. 127 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:54.620 Well, what does that mean? And the Bible? I think maybe, 128 00:10:54.659 --> 00:10:56.940 Daniel, you could talk about this, certainly more depth than I could, 129 00:10:56.980 --> 00:11:03.100 but scripture is pretty clear that we are all marked by, I guess, 130 00:11:03.299 --> 00:11:05.730 bit or original sin. You would be you may have a better term 131 00:11:05.850 --> 00:11:09.289 than that, but I don't really have a better term for that. I 132 00:11:09.370 --> 00:11:13.610 mean that's been the term that the church has used, I believe, since 133 00:11:13.730 --> 00:11:18.279 the very beginnings of these arguments in church history, and not just the Catholic 134 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.639 Church, but you know, the Evangelical Church, the you know reformed church 135 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.480 has used the term original sin. Yeah, and just is not a Biblical 136 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.840 term, like you don't see it in the Bible, in the pages of 137 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:33.990 the Bible. Original Sin. I think the concept that's been put forth thanks 138 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:39.269 you know, a biblical concept that all had sinned through the first at the 139 00:11:39.389 --> 00:11:41.309 first atom. Yeah, well, the here's here's where the question lies, 140 00:11:41.950 --> 00:11:46.669 I believe. Then we'll get in some of these scriptures that, you know, 141 00:11:46.830 --> 00:11:50.379 the sort of I guess, cooperate. What I'm saying here is that 142 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:58.059 there's this concept for some folks that original sin implies original guilt. Like all 143 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:01.809 send in Adam this. The Bible says that I'll send an Adam right. 144 00:12:01.090 --> 00:12:05.889 Does that mean, though, all are guilty of Adam's sin? Okay, 145 00:12:05.529 --> 00:12:09.809 that would be the first question because the way I see it, as I 146 00:12:09.889 --> 00:12:11.929 dig into the Scriptures, and there are certain scriptures that I think you're very 147 00:12:13.009 --> 00:12:18.480 explicit, very plain about how guilt is incurred. Is that. Yes, 148 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.559 we are all tainted with sin. We all have the propensity for sin. 149 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:28.120 I've explained it before. Like a an inescapable, inescapable genetic defect. We 150 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:35.629 all have that bend towards sin, given over to ourselves without the intervention of 151 00:12:35.750 --> 00:12:37.870 God, we will all go into sin. We will all remain in sin. 152 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:41.750 You cannot rescue yourself from your sin. And it's and it's from early 153 00:12:41.870 --> 00:12:45.220 on, and I want to just interrupt here a second to bring that out. 154 00:12:45.220 --> 00:12:50.379 In Psalm Five, the Bible reveals we are brought forth in iniquity. 155 00:12:50.899 --> 00:12:54.659 So we bear whatever that is, that stain of original sin, from the 156 00:12:54.860 --> 00:13:05.009 moment of our conception. Okay, okay. So so going from there, 157 00:13:05.210 --> 00:13:13.039 than, what is our basis for claiming that babies who die in infancy go 158 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.159 to heaven? Yeah, they are. I mean we haven't yet claimed that 159 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.279 right. Well, well, haven't we? Having given our position? Haven't 160 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.600 given our so, but but I'll just go ahead and let the cat out 161 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:24.960 of the bag. That is my position. Unborn Children in infants, yeah, 162 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.509 do go to have it. So Um, that's at least my belief. 163 00:13:28.629 --> 00:13:30.629 Okay, so let's go to a verse, okay, to try and 164 00:13:30.750 --> 00:13:35.669 like support now we're we're kind of going with right. So, Second Corinthians 165 00:13:35.830 --> 00:13:39.830 five ten. Okay, okay, and and you. We want to turn 166 00:13:39.909 --> 00:13:41.940 to that? Yeah, that would be good, because there's a couple of 167 00:13:41.860 --> 00:13:46.419 phrases from that verse that that I think are really important. Okay, said 168 00:13:46.460 --> 00:13:52.700 Corinthians Five, Second Corinthians five and ten. Yet I certainly did not mean 169 00:13:52.299 --> 00:13:56.450 that with it sexually immoral. People's at the right one of this world judged 170 00:13:58.090 --> 00:14:00.690 it. Go to the part the Bible teaches that we are judged on the 171 00:14:00.730 --> 00:14:03.409 basis of our deeds committed in the body. Is that in that one? 172 00:14:03.450 --> 00:14:05.129 Did I give you the wrong verse? Yeah, I think you gave me 173 00:14:05.169 --> 00:14:09.649 the wrong Grad. Okay, will forgive you because you're tainted with the regulation 174 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.240 and we'll get the correct verse. Okay, we'll get the correct verse, 175 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.440 but the the because Second Grethians, five Tennessee, not first a second. 176 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:20.399 I'm sorry, I gave you the wrong number. Forgive you for the okay, 177 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.269 all right, so it says for we missed all appear and see. 178 00:14:24.350 --> 00:14:26.789 Listen, I should have known that. That's scripture. Okay, yeah, 179 00:14:28.549 --> 00:14:33.470 we blame Daniel instead of for we must all appear before the judgment seat of 180 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:37.590 Christ that each one may receive the things done in the body according to what 181 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:41.139 he has done, whether good or bad. Yeah, okay, so that 182 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:43.940 first part of the phrase, and let me keep going there. Okay, 183 00:14:45.019 --> 00:14:48.340 against betters. Okays, knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, 184 00:14:48.460 --> 00:14:52.929 to this God that we serve is a terrible God in some sense, you 185 00:14:52.009 --> 00:14:56.330 know, is there's terror to be had. So there is judges. No 186 00:14:56.409 --> 00:15:00.009 One's knowing it. Yeah, that's important to okay, knowing, therefore, 187 00:15:00.009 --> 00:15:01.970 the terror of the Lord, we persuade men. So this is of course, 188 00:15:03.009 --> 00:15:07.129 US as Christians, won the persuade people to turn away from the terror 189 00:15:07.129 --> 00:15:09.720 of the Lord, the judgment of Lord. But we are wellknown to God 190 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.559 and also trust that we were wellknown in your consciences. So anyway, just 191 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.399 okay, good of the Lord part there. Okay, because no one is 192 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.279 saying, at least from our part, that there isn't a judgment of God. 193 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.269 There are certainly judgment of God for Sin. The question is is, 194 00:15:24.870 --> 00:15:28.950 does the judgment of God abide on Unborn Children and infants? Right, okay, 195 00:15:30.190 --> 00:15:33.149 so let's kind of Parse that. First. It says we were we 196 00:15:33.230 --> 00:15:37.460 are to be judged on the basis of our deeds committed in the body. 197 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:46.820 Yeah, okay. And so we're not judged by on the basis of original 198 00:15:46.860 --> 00:15:54.809 sin, but for our sins committed in the body during our lifetimes. Okay, 199 00:15:54.970 --> 00:16:00.769 okay. So, and that correct me if I'm wrong, but is 200 00:16:00.850 --> 00:16:08.759 there any point in scripture where we are said to be judged based on original 201 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:15.320 sin, on the stain of sin, as supposed to the act of sin? 202 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.669 You know, it says in First John, I believe it's chapter three. 203 00:16:18.750 --> 00:16:22.190 HMM, it seems to be. I think. I don't know if 204 00:16:22.230 --> 00:16:25.549 anyone to argue with this, but all through the scriptures this idea that we're 205 00:16:25.789 --> 00:16:30.070 judge for our sin. Like people don't go to hell because there's a false 206 00:16:30.149 --> 00:16:33.659 concept that people go to hell because they don't accept Jesus. People don't go 207 00:16:33.740 --> 00:16:37.059 to hell because they don't accept Jesus. People go to hell because they are 208 00:16:37.179 --> 00:16:42.139 sinners. Sin, they violated God's law and therefore they deserve the judgment of 209 00:16:42.220 --> 00:16:47.570 God, Jesus blood. It's pitation for that sin. So it's not that 210 00:16:47.690 --> 00:16:51.649 you don't it's like, well, people get to jail because they don't believe 211 00:16:51.690 --> 00:16:53.809 the judge and know that's not true. They go to jail because they've committed 212 00:16:53.809 --> 00:16:57.809 a crime. So there's that that premise there. Yeah, but the scripture 213 00:16:57.929 --> 00:17:02.200 in that was referred to in First John, Chapter Three, it says sin 214 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:07.240 is lawlessness. So sin is actually a translation. Could be sin is a 215 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.359 violation of the law. So it's a volitional thing. As far as the 216 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.400 sins like this talk about here, sins committed in the body, it's a 217 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.349 decision that you make to do a thing that you know is wrong, because 218 00:17:18.390 --> 00:17:21.990 we all have a conscience. Right, no, right from wrong. So 219 00:17:22.150 --> 00:17:23.470 when we sin, when we lie, we cheat, when we steal, 220 00:17:25.349 --> 00:17:29.150 kill someone, you're doing it, you know. Some said, actually recomfort 221 00:17:29.150 --> 00:17:32.380 uses this. He says you know, you do it against your conscience. 222 00:17:32.940 --> 00:17:36.900 Conscience, you've break the word down. With con is with science, is 223 00:17:36.980 --> 00:17:41.059 knowledge. You do it with knowledge. You violate your conscience that it's wrong. 224 00:17:41.660 --> 00:17:45.009 People don't sin unless they know that it's wrong. Right, right, 225 00:17:45.170 --> 00:17:48.690 which brings up all kinds of points. But but first of all, so 226 00:17:48.809 --> 00:17:55.329 it's an act God your body. That is against God's law. Yeah, 227 00:17:55.769 --> 00:18:02.279 do infants do that? And I I would be hard pressed to say infants 228 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.759 to do that. I don't think they do. I don't think they can. 229 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:11.400 So that that's the main point. We're going to get to. The 230 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.990 second point I'm going to make a little bit later in more detail. But 231 00:18:17.269 --> 00:18:22.150 not only do I they don't. They just don't. They're especially an unborn 232 00:18:22.269 --> 00:18:26.630 infant. Yeah, what sin can you commit in the kicking your mother from 233 00:18:26.630 --> 00:18:32.220 the inside out? Really? But the second part of that is that it 234 00:18:32.420 --> 00:18:37.019 has to be, like you said, with knowledge. Does an infant have 235 00:18:38.099 --> 00:18:44.650 the moral discernment, the to choose? Yeah, because it's a choice sinisen 236 00:18:44.769 --> 00:18:48.250 change. Yeah, in agreement, but I'm very invalue my head. Right. 237 00:18:48.369 --> 00:18:52.289 Doesn't infant have the ability, even the the moral, the cognitive ability, 238 00:18:52.450 --> 00:18:56.759 to make a choice either for sin or for good? So keep that 239 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:57.799 kind of in the back of your mind, folks, but you know, 240 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:03.720 we'll kind of get back to that later. But there's a really interesting text 241 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.920 that I was said in here. Again, here's the thing that we can't 242 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.190 we can't fall prey to our emotions in this MMM, either way. Right, 243 00:19:11.230 --> 00:19:14.990 right, yeah, this this idea that kids are absolutely innocent and they've 244 00:19:15.069 --> 00:19:17.950 done anohing wrong because, after all, they're cute, you know, right 245 00:19:18.069 --> 00:19:19.750 and right. So they can't have done anything wrong in the course. The 246 00:19:19.789 --> 00:19:23.740 other side of the coin is we've all sinned in their infants are wicked and 247 00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:30.220 adults are we can whatever. Okay, let's stop and let's see what Saith 248 00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:36.099 the scripture. What does the Bible say about the innocence of Infants, of 249 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:40.009 children? I mean we have a little bit, I think, in the 250 00:19:40.049 --> 00:19:44.609 scriptures about unborn children in the womb. We have we have enough information to 251 00:19:44.650 --> 00:19:47.849 the scripture to say that there's valuable as born children correct. You know, 252 00:19:47.930 --> 00:19:49.970 we have the Luke passage that refers to an unborn child just as much as, 253 00:19:51.289 --> 00:19:52.400 you know, the same terminology as a born child. So we have 254 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.839 that. But as we're looking through the scriptures and we see what say the 255 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.200 scripture about this, again, we can't be driven by motion at the look 256 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:04.400 at what the Scripture says and, you know, let's just dig in some 257 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.190 well, and so some of the scriptures, and I was going to go 258 00:20:07.349 --> 00:20:12.390 to a little story in in the Bible that I think is really, really 259 00:20:12.509 --> 00:20:18.630 interesting, but you brought up our children innocent. Right to talk about innocence, 260 00:20:18.829 --> 00:20:25.099 that term is is is important, and so I did a word search 261 00:20:25.460 --> 00:20:29.900 of in the Bible of innocent children. I think was what I put in 262 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:33.420 in the search and I came up with many, many scriptures, so I'll 263 00:20:33.460 --> 00:20:34.579 just read them to you and maybe you can talk about them a little. 264 00:20:34.579 --> 00:20:38.529 Okay. And in proverb six, sixteen to seventeen, there are six things 265 00:20:38.609 --> 00:20:41.690 the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him, haughty eyes, 266 00:20:41.730 --> 00:20:48.730 a lying tongue and hands that shed innocent blood. So the word innocent is 267 00:20:48.769 --> 00:20:51.960 used, and we talked about this a little. Is that necessarily children? 268 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.240 Yeah, I mean not always right. Would rightly right? It could be 269 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:02.440 so innocent blood it. It's that innocent is applied as a term to someone 270 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:11.150 who has not committed the the act which someone has harmed them for committing. 271 00:21:11.349 --> 00:21:14.910 Right, they're innocent of what whatever. They don't know if it's in every 272 00:21:14.990 --> 00:21:18.900 instance. I think there are some instances where innocent, the word innocent, 273 00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:26.700 is implying to someone who's morally not tainted correct right by volitional decisions. But 274 00:21:26.740 --> 00:21:30.099 I think it could be a broader term just means that person's you know, 275 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:33.690 they're innocent. They didn't they? Why'd you hurt that is a person, 276 00:21:33.089 --> 00:21:37.650 right, you know. Okay. So in job two thirty there's a verse. 277 00:21:37.769 --> 00:21:42.490 He delivers even the one who is not innocent, who will be delivered 278 00:21:42.569 --> 00:21:47.920 through the cleanness of your hands. When he says he delivers, and that's 279 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.279 God delivers, even the one who is not innocent. Use It, because 280 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:57.119 he uses the word even. We know that. Then presumably there are those 281 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.430 who are innocent. Yeah, right, okay, so just keep that in 282 00:22:02.509 --> 00:22:06.190 the back of your mind. So they're there. There are innocent is used 283 00:22:06.230 --> 00:22:10.390 to describe someone. Yeah, at times in the Bible. Yeah, okay, 284 00:22:10.829 --> 00:22:18.619 here's one that is very important in terms of those who say that because 285 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:26.619 Adams send the baby there for or the UN and born have sinned because of 286 00:22:26.660 --> 00:22:30.890 the stain of original sin. Yeah, Ezekiel eighteen twenty, the soul who 287 00:22:32.089 --> 00:22:37.769 sins shall die. Yeah, okay. The son shall not suffer for the 288 00:22:37.849 --> 00:22:42.329 iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. 289 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.839 So yeah, I mean that scripture there is expect explicitly talking about this 290 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:53.200 idea of guilt. You know. I mean basically, you could read that 291 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:59.990 passage and say the son is not guilty because of the father's crime and the 292 00:23:00.109 --> 00:23:03.390 father is not guilty because of the son's crime. Right, each one the 293 00:23:03.470 --> 00:23:06.990 soul that sins, right, it's guilty. You know, it shall die, 294 00:23:07.190 --> 00:23:11.859 she'll suffer consequences. Yeah, so is the baby guilty before the baby 295 00:23:12.099 --> 00:23:18.460 has any opportunity or knowledge to be able to commit sin in the body? 296 00:23:18.460 --> 00:23:22.779 Yeah, and I just cannot see that. Biblically, had a baby, 297 00:23:22.900 --> 00:23:29.329 unborn child is is guilty of of sin? Right, and and yet, 298 00:23:29.410 --> 00:23:34.170 and of course I'm we're on the same page on this. Okay, Jesus 299 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:41.240 certainly speaks about children, yeah, in a very unique and really different and 300 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.799 loving way than he speaks of any other age group. Children, babies and 301 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:52.079 infants in Matthew, eighteen ten. See that you do not despise one of 302 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.670 these little ones, for I tell you that in heaven their angels always see 303 00:23:56.750 --> 00:24:00.670 the face of my father who is in heaven, and I know we talked 304 00:24:00.670 --> 00:24:03.750 about this a little. You said it's kind of like a difficult first yeah, 305 00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:07.910 you know, not not in the sense that Jesus is looking at little 306 00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:11.500 children as differently, as different than adults, but this whole idea of their 307 00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:15.980 angels. You know what, I don't get that, but but it's it's 308 00:24:15.259 --> 00:24:19.700 that don't despise these little ones. He doesn't say don't despise the adults. 309 00:24:19.940 --> 00:24:23.809 Right. Yeah, says don't despise the little ones and then gives the reason 310 00:24:23.849 --> 00:24:30.410 why he's treating little ones differently. Yeah, ones are different, unique can 311 00:24:30.609 --> 00:24:34.009 for whatever reason. Here's one that I really like. First, Corinthians, 312 00:24:34.049 --> 00:24:37.450 fourteen, twenty, brothers, do not be children. In your thinking, 313 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:44.799 be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. Yeah, why 314 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:51.039 does he tell us to be infants in evil? That makes you if infants 315 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:56.230 are evil. Yeah, and stands our evil. It makes no sense. 316 00:24:56.390 --> 00:24:59.069 I mean, and this is this is one of these instances, something I 317 00:24:59.109 --> 00:25:00.309 was going to say earlier is that, you know, we have to let 318 00:25:00.349 --> 00:25:04.269 the scripture define terms for us. We have to let the scripture give us 319 00:25:04.309 --> 00:25:08.259 explanations. We can't take, you know, whatever system of theology that we 320 00:25:10.299 --> 00:25:15.059 hold to or system with soteriology that we hold to, and interpose it or 321 00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:18.819 impose it on the scripture. That is, we have to see what the 322 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.809 Bible, as he sayst so some people can take this concept of original sin 323 00:25:22.890 --> 00:25:26.730 that they've been all and they understand in in order for their theological framework or 324 00:25:26.730 --> 00:25:30.849 whatever to work. Then this definition of original sin has to be the case, 325 00:25:32.289 --> 00:25:36.519 Ieye, that children in the womb are guilty of Adam sin. But 326 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.200 is that really what the Scripture teaches? Like? We can't let you know 327 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.759 whatever ideas we might have, whatever system we might hold to, and try 328 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.279 to stay consistent with that system and throw out the plane teaching of scripture. 329 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:52.230 And I think as we continue to go on through we'll see the plane teaching 330 00:25:52.309 --> 00:25:59.950 of scripture is that infants or view differently than adults. Right with, children 331 00:25:59.990 --> 00:26:04.059 are viewed differently than adults are. About the father by Jesus, by the 332 00:26:04.099 --> 00:26:07.140 Holy Spirit, has spelled out in his word, right, right. So, 333 00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:11.900 yeah, let's continue with that. Okay. So, Luke, eighteen, 334 00:26:11.059 --> 00:26:15.140 fifteen to seventeen, this is when they're bringing the children to Jesus. 335 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:19.089 Yeah, now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them, 336 00:26:19.329 --> 00:26:23.089 and when the disciples saw it they rebuked them. But Jesus called them 337 00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:29.210 to him, saying let the children come to me and do not hinder them, 338 00:26:29.650 --> 00:26:33.039 for to such belong the Kingdom of God. Yeah, truly, I 339 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.960 say to you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a child 340 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:44.279 shall not enter it. Yeah, so again, children are special. Jesus 341 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.150 wants the children to come to him. The children want to come to him 342 00:26:48.230 --> 00:26:55.869 and and he's even saying for to such be long the Kingdom of God. 343 00:26:56.150 --> 00:26:59.990 Yeah, that's Bett. That's a that's luke eighteen, duke eighteen, fifteen 344 00:27:00.029 --> 00:27:03.180 to seventeen. Yeah, before we mentioned Matthew Ten. What's that matter? 345 00:27:03.500 --> 00:27:07.539 Right, the Matthew Eighteen Ten meagic, Matthew, that you do not despise 346 00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:10.700 one of them before that. I don't know if you have that on the 347 00:27:10.900 --> 00:27:12.700 list of scriptures that you have. This is another important scripture. Okay, 348 00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:18.650 Matthew Eighteen, okay, in verse three it says, Surely, I say 349 00:27:18.690 --> 00:27:22.329 to you, unless you were converted and become as little children, you will 350 00:27:22.329 --> 00:27:25.329 by no means enter the Kingdom of yeah, that's pretty strong, isn't it? 351 00:27:25.369 --> 00:27:29.890 So it's like this, this requirement to even enter in the Kingdom of 352 00:27:29.970 --> 00:27:33.599 Heaven as you have to be converted and become as little children. And so 353 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.720 I think it's you know, this is a study for you guys that are 354 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.839 listening find out what that means. What does it mean to become like a 355 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.920 little child? Yeah, in the Bible, I think tall tells us, 356 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.430 you know, innocence. It talks of innocent innocence. Yeah, because being 357 00:27:48.150 --> 00:27:52.150 full of guile and deceit. You know, now here's here's something we had 358 00:27:52.150 --> 00:27:56.150 to understand, because we all will think, well, my kids are full 359 00:27:56.190 --> 00:27:59.380 of gall and to see. Yeah, they learned that. They certainly do, 360 00:28:00.140 --> 00:28:03.059 and they probably learned it from you, learn it from me, bad 361 00:28:03.059 --> 00:28:10.660 leg and from the world, and they certainly do have that propensity, like 362 00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:14.769 we said, like certainly believe the doctor original say, in the stain of 363 00:28:14.849 --> 00:28:18.609 sand, the flesh that we all have, that we all, you know, 364 00:28:18.809 --> 00:28:22.289 have to fight. Only by the grace and the power of God can 365 00:28:22.329 --> 00:28:26.329 we win that battle. Yeah, but it's again, it's a PROPENSI. 366 00:28:26.369 --> 00:28:30.759 It's like this genetic defect that we all have that's inescapable except for the intervention 367 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.480 of God, right through the power of the Holy Spirit and the proclamation of 368 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.000 the Gospel. All Right, all right, Matthew, hundred and twenty five, 369 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.759 I thank you, Father Lord of Heaven and Earth, that you've hidden 370 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:44.990 these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children. Yeah, 371 00:28:45.190 --> 00:28:52.829 again, little children are special, are different and and have knowledge, 372 00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:57.900 have knowledge of God, that that we adults apparently don't have. Your need 373 00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:03.500 or and I think it is that simple, innocent. Yeah, one of 374 00:29:03.539 --> 00:29:07.579 the things that speaks to and I believe in that passage in Matthew Chapter Eighteen, 375 00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:11.490 there may be another New Testament Cross reference there. But Jesus says, 376 00:29:11.490 --> 00:29:17.730 unless you humble yourself and become as little children, you cannot see the Kingdom 377 00:29:17.730 --> 00:29:19.609 of God. Yeah, yeah, I do have that here yet. What's 378 00:29:19.650 --> 00:29:23.400 good? It's so that is matthew eighteen, two to six. Whoever humbles 379 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.240 himself like this child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. Yeah, 380 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:33.640 whoever receives one such child in my name receives me. But whoever causes one 381 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.279 of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better 382 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.750 for him to have a great millstone fast around his neck. Yeah, and 383 00:29:40.910 --> 00:29:45.509 so this, this definition or this idea of of childlike faith, the war, 384 00:29:47.349 --> 00:29:52.230 childlike innocence, really has to do with that word humility. HMM. 385 00:29:52.470 --> 00:29:55.779 And if you think about the way that children are, this is one of 386 00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:57.859 the main points, the way that children are there they're dependent. So this 387 00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:02.420 is kind of like a free be here is not really focused on this subject 388 00:30:02.619 --> 00:30:04.180 per se, but it will help us all to understand that a child is 389 00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:10.049 dependent upon its parents, right, and we are dependent upon the Lord. 390 00:30:10.130 --> 00:30:15.490 We must humble ourselves and become as little children in innocence, like Paul says 391 00:30:15.690 --> 00:30:19.170 in that Romans passage. Become innocent, as you know, in that sense, 392 00:30:19.690 --> 00:30:25.279 but also humble that we need God. We need his totally despot were 393 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.319 typically depended on the end. And and why would? Why would God keep 394 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.440 referring over and over and over again? We must become like little children, 395 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.910 unless there was something about little children that was pleasing to God, and sin 396 00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:44.190 is not pleasing to God. Right. So this is another one where I 397 00:30:44.470 --> 00:30:49.259 think the word innocent is pretty directly applied to children. Jeremiah, nineteen, 398 00:30:49.420 --> 00:30:53.220 forty tow five, because the people have forsaken me and a profane to this 399 00:30:53.380 --> 00:30:57.500 place by making offreys offerings in it to other gods whom neither they, nor 400 00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.740 their fathers, nor the king of you to have known, and because they 401 00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:06.690 have filled this place with the blood of innocence. Yeah, and built the 402 00:31:06.730 --> 00:31:11.289 high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to 403 00:31:11.450 --> 00:31:15.690 bay, all, which I did not command or decree, nor did it 404 00:31:15.849 --> 00:31:19.759 come to mind. So the burning of their sons, those innocent children, 405 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:26.359 was Um just a god hadn't even it was so healing more yeah, not 406 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.000 even never would he have brought that to his mind, but it was something 407 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.549 that human beings, yeah, came up with. Yeah. And of course 408 00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:37.869 what's explicit there is that, of course, killing your sons and daughters and 409 00:31:38.269 --> 00:31:41.789 offering them to this false God was wicked in the in the side of the 410 00:31:41.869 --> 00:31:45.470 Lord, but also that these children were innocent. Right, he points that 411 00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:51.220 out in this passage. You have, you have filled this place with a 412 00:31:51.220 --> 00:31:55.740 blood of the innocence, of innocence, right, right, innocent children, 413 00:31:55.819 --> 00:31:59.579 children, yeah. So I think you can make a very strong case that. 414 00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:04.769 Well, not very strong maybe, but a strong case that certainly, 415 00:32:04.809 --> 00:32:07.970 that children are different, that Jesus perceives the differently, that they are always 416 00:32:08.049 --> 00:32:15.210 equated with, with innocence, yeah, and even called innocent. Yeah, 417 00:32:15.329 --> 00:32:22.480 time. So here's this interesting passage. Okay, there's this is going through 418 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:27.839 the biblical story of the Israelites Wandering through the Wilderness for forty years and, 419 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.349 as as you know, if you know that story, they grumbled, they 420 00:32:30.470 --> 00:32:35.990 send there. That's so much in that passage, or in that whole season 421 00:32:36.470 --> 00:32:39.869 of God's dealing with humanity. Right, and especially in Israel, that has 422 00:32:40.390 --> 00:32:45.700 I mean it's allegory really happened, but it's allegory for the spiritual walk in 423 00:32:45.700 --> 00:32:49.339 the spiritual life and, yes, salvation. I think that is so critically 424 00:32:49.460 --> 00:32:52.619 so can you point that out space speak a little bit about that, because 425 00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:54.740 that's look, I mean even just the deliverance from Egypt. You know what 426 00:32:54.980 --> 00:33:00.450 is Egypt symbolizes sin and the world. You Egypt at that time was quite 427 00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:05.450 possibly, I think, pretty pretty plainly seen in history. At that time 428 00:33:05.650 --> 00:33:08.809 was the most powerful nation on the face of the planet. Yeah, and 429 00:33:09.529 --> 00:33:13.799 you know, so symbolizes the world, the world system, and of course 430 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.160 we were all in sin and wrapped up in the world system. WHAT DOES 431 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:20.720 MOSES DO? He comes and tells the world system, let my people go, 432 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.400 you know, and comes and delivers his people. And even the Bible 433 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.509 tells us that the passing through the Red Sea was almost like a symbol of 434 00:33:27.630 --> 00:33:30.869 baptism for for us. As a matter of fact, in First Corinthians, 435 00:33:30.869 --> 00:33:37.549 Chapter Ten, it tells us that these things that happen happened as example to 436 00:33:37.670 --> 00:33:40.069 us. I'll read that real quick okay, that's a good and it says, 437 00:33:42.380 --> 00:33:45.700 and it's talking about Christ being the Rock and the Wilderness and the children 438 00:33:45.740 --> 00:33:49.900 of Israel drinking from the rocks is more of a brethern and do not want 439 00:33:49.900 --> 00:33:52.619 you to be unaware that all of our fathers were under the cloud at all, 440 00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:55.730 passed under the sea, talking about the Red Sea. All were baptizing 441 00:33:55.769 --> 00:34:00.170 the Moses in the cloud and in the seas. There's any just the word 442 00:34:00.210 --> 00:34:02.849 Baptiste. Exactly, okay. And all ate the same spiritual food, all 443 00:34:02.849 --> 00:34:07.450 drink the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that followed 444 00:34:07.490 --> 00:34:09.960 them. That rock was Christ. So this is a symbol, this rock 445 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.519 that you know Moses. This rock opened up and they drank from it. 446 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.320 He's telling us that symbol Christ, that was symbolic of Christ. Somebody may 447 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.920 make the argument that that was Christ following them around in the Wilderness. We 448 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.789 won't go there, but you say, but with most of them God was 449 00:34:24.829 --> 00:34:28.949 not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the Wilderness. All these 450 00:34:29.030 --> 00:34:30.389 things. This is the verse ills really want to point out. For Six 451 00:34:30.550 --> 00:34:35.110 of First Corinthians, chapter ten. Now all these things became our examples to 452 00:34:35.190 --> 00:34:38.019 the intent that we should not lust after the evil things as they also lusted. 453 00:34:38.139 --> 00:34:42.099 So these things are our examples. So even though they really happen. 454 00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:46.179 There's a lot of spiritual depth and allegory to that. Even in entering into 455 00:34:46.179 --> 00:34:50.579 the promised land and crossing the Jordan. We have songs that we talk about 456 00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:53.690 crossing the Jordan, entering the promised land, this wondrous relationship with God. 457 00:34:53.969 --> 00:34:58.730 Wondering in the Wilderness. Is is a picture. A lot of Christians are 458 00:34:58.849 --> 00:35:01.449 wondering in the Wilderness. They've been delivered from Egypt, but they're wondering in 459 00:35:01.530 --> 00:35:06.570 the Wilderness. They're grumbling and they're complaining and they won't reach fully what God 460 00:35:06.690 --> 00:35:08.559 wants them to reach. They won't reach promised land. They would so anyway. 461 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.920 Yeah, there's a lot there. There's a lot I could dig out 462 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.719 and we can't go there. Maybe for another time, but it's sort of 463 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.400 sets it up for what what you're going to share. Yeah, which is 464 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:22.949 so interesting. In Deuteronomy one hundred and thirty five, it says God is 465 00:35:23.429 --> 00:35:28.750 saying now, not one of these men, this evil generation, they're on 466 00:35:28.750 --> 00:35:30.630 the cusps by the way of entering the promised land. Yeah, when God 467 00:35:30.909 --> 00:35:35.190 speaks to them, not one of these men, this evil generation, shall 468 00:35:35.230 --> 00:35:38.860 see the good land which I swore to give to your father's so they've wandered 469 00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:45.860 forty years, they have sinned, and now they are not to enter God's 470 00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:50.170 promised land. Yeah, but, and this is the really interesting part, 471 00:35:50.250 --> 00:35:52.969 and do to Ronomy, one hundred and thirty nine, it says, moreover, 472 00:35:53.369 --> 00:35:59.489 your little ones, who you said would become prey, and your sons, 473 00:35:59.849 --> 00:36:04.559 who this day have no knowledge of good and evil, shall enter there 474 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.199 and I will give it to them and they shall possess it. Yes, 475 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:17.710 so look at this. God Exempts Children and Infants from that punishment. Yeah, 476 00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:23.030 from not, from not and chering his presence. Yeah, Promised Land, 477 00:36:23.150 --> 00:36:27.989 they are exempted. And why? Well, he tells them. That's 478 00:36:28.030 --> 00:36:30.469 a good question. Als Us why, and God never tells us why. 479 00:36:31.110 --> 00:36:36.139 Well, he does sometimes, sometimes it's rare. It is this tell he 480 00:36:36.219 --> 00:36:39.340 often tells us how and who, but he doesn't often tell us why. 481 00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:46.019 But he does here. He says who this day have no knowledge of good 482 00:36:46.329 --> 00:36:52.929 and evil. Yeah, so they they can't make a decision. They weren't 483 00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:58.250 able to grumble in sin like their elders. Yeah, they didn't. They 484 00:36:58.329 --> 00:37:01.599 had not reached an age of moral reckoning, of moral reasoning yet, and 485 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:07.239 therefore, basically, he gives him a pass. Yeah, he extends grace. 486 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:09.559 I've heard people say, well, the blood of Jesus is required for 487 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.480 all tender heaven. Jesus does say I am the way, the truth of 488 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.750 the life. Well, HOW DO WE ENTER TO HEAVEN? It's through His 489 00:37:19.150 --> 00:37:23.550 grace and through his mercy, and he appears to the blood of Christ and 490 00:37:23.750 --> 00:37:30.659 through the blood of Christ, and he appears to have extended that atoning blood, 491 00:37:30.139 --> 00:37:34.739 is His grace and his mercy, to these children, or they wouldn't 492 00:37:34.739 --> 00:37:38.219 be entering the promised land either. And it's clearly only the children, the 493 00:37:38.380 --> 00:37:44.849 children and the infants, and then Caliban, who were the two? And 494 00:37:45.090 --> 00:37:50.849 and they will and Joshua, yeah, where the only the only adults that 495 00:37:50.929 --> 00:37:53.809 I you know, didn't grubble, who had a different speed? Yeah, 496 00:37:53.969 --> 00:38:01.599 they had a different spirit. So this also then kind of segues into a 497 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:07.519 really important point in thinking about. DO BABIES GO TO HEAVEN? And we've 498 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:15.230 been mentioning it, but do they have the are they accountable right for for 499 00:38:15.389 --> 00:38:20.150 sin? Yeah, did. Can They be accountable for sin? And this 500 00:38:20.590 --> 00:38:22.230 I got this and I want to just read it because it's a I think 501 00:38:22.269 --> 00:38:28.019 it's a good passage. It's from back to the Bible article from February, 502 00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:30.739 two thousand and nineteen, and the title of that article is is my child 503 00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:36.420 in heaven? Yeah, and I really liked it. So some people say 504 00:38:36.460 --> 00:38:39.659 that there's an age when children become accountable for their actions, but the Bible 505 00:38:39.860 --> 00:38:45.769 does not mention an age of accountability. Children are culpable for sin when they 506 00:38:45.889 --> 00:38:51.010 draw their first breath, but they are they accountable at that moment as well? 507 00:38:51.329 --> 00:38:55.559 I don't think so. We must make a distinction between culpability, which 508 00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:01.599 is liability for their sin nature, and accountability, which is liability for their 509 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:07.119 sinful actions. Is A has said, for before the child shall know how 510 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.230 to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will 511 00:39:10.230 --> 00:39:15.030 be forsaken by both her kings. That's as a sixteen. Yeah, so 512 00:39:15.510 --> 00:39:20.590 it is evident that little children do not have the ability to make moral decisions 513 00:39:20.670 --> 00:39:24.980 and to take responsibility for their sins. Still, they are sinners and need 514 00:39:25.019 --> 00:39:30.059 a savior. Perhaps the age of accountability should be called the age of moral 515 00:39:30.099 --> 00:39:36.059 awareness. Children come to a point when they are morally aware, that is, 516 00:39:36.139 --> 00:39:40.050 they understand what's what's right and what's wrong. But if they die before 517 00:39:40.130 --> 00:39:45.409 that age, are they morally responsible and this author says. No. Yeah, 518 00:39:45.489 --> 00:39:46.530 I know, how could they be? Yeah, yeah, I know. 519 00:39:46.610 --> 00:39:52.440 I listened or watched a little snippet on YouTube. It was about todd 520 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:58.119 for you. Sure some people have heard of him. Okay, and he's 521 00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.079 talking about this and he's saying age of accountability, and which I agree, 522 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:06.639 is not a biblical right, certainly not a biblical phrase. Is it a 523 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.309 biblical concept? I don't even know that it's a biblical concept because we don't 524 00:40:09.349 --> 00:40:15.070 see any AIDS at the Bible tells us to this age you become accountable before 525 00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:17.829 God them for your sin. And so he argued that it shouldn't be age 526 00:40:17.829 --> 00:40:21.780 of accountability that we're talking about, it should be level of accountability, like 527 00:40:21.860 --> 00:40:25.179 you get to a certain level of accountability, right, because of mentally deficient. 528 00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:29.579 He is exactly any have somebody who's, you know, two, twenty 529 00:40:29.619 --> 00:40:32.380 five years old, and I mean you have a nephew right who's has down 530 00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:37.690 syndrome. Right, he's old, he's thirty, maybe thirty three now. 531 00:40:37.889 --> 00:40:40.449 But you know, you might say, has you mentality or whatever of you 532 00:40:40.530 --> 00:40:45.329 know, ten year old or something. Yeah, and so obviously age can't 533 00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:49.409 be our marker. It's not biblical and it just not practical right. But 534 00:40:49.530 --> 00:40:53.440 there is a level of accountability and it can be different for every you know, 535 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.920 I know personally for my kids that their kids. We have eight kids 536 00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.440 and there's some of my kids who, at, you know, five years 537 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:06.309 old, understood sin, understood their their guilt, of their sin, and 538 00:41:06.909 --> 00:41:09.949 God was dealing with them and they came to the Lord because of their knowledge 539 00:41:09.949 --> 00:41:14.309 of Sin and their knowledge that Jesus died to pay the penalty for their sin. 540 00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:19.099 And some of my kids, are twins who are just turned nine years 541 00:41:19.099 --> 00:41:22.659 old, really didn't, I'm telling you, just didn't understand the concept of 542 00:41:22.900 --> 00:41:27.699 sin. I mean just the idea they got. Don't do wrong stuff, 543 00:41:28.219 --> 00:41:32.929 but really they're guilt until this past year and then God graciously brought them both 544 00:41:34.329 --> 00:41:37.210 to himself, you, through the conviction of their sin and the course, 545 00:41:37.250 --> 00:41:40.210 me laying out the Gospel for him. But they really didn't have a knowledge 546 00:41:40.210 --> 00:41:46.480 of in any kind of, I guess, solid way until they were eight 547 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:51.039 years old. Yeah, so, yeah, and you know in in that 548 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:52.920 that is a a verse. I don't have it in front of me right 549 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:58.679 at this moment, but where he says the the ability to choose good before 550 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:04.070 the child could choose good and reject evil. Well, that's the prophecy about 551 00:42:04.070 --> 00:42:07.670 Jesus, right. Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, yeah, 552 00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:12.349 I think I think it was that. Yeah, find good. Yeah, 553 00:42:12.469 --> 00:42:15.380 a seven hundred and sixteen. Yeah, so before the child child know 554 00:42:15.619 --> 00:42:20.900 how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread 555 00:42:20.980 --> 00:42:24.019 will be forsaken by both her kings. So, yeah, and can you 556 00:42:24.460 --> 00:42:35.210 sin if you cannot understand how, or even that you it is possible to 557 00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:39.530 refuse evil or choose good? Yeah, can. Can you be held accountable 558 00:42:39.690 --> 00:42:44.719 for Sin? And I would say no, and I think the Bible points 559 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:49.559 out no. Yeah, okay, so this is a very common story used 560 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:54.760 in talking about this issue. Is the issue of David Son. Yeah, 561 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.869 and yeah, I mean I think when we're talking about you know, when 562 00:42:58.909 --> 00:43:01.630 I've talked to people about do infants, to unborn children go to heaven, 563 00:43:02.230 --> 00:43:06.110 this is a scripture that I'll go right to, right and it could be 564 00:43:06.590 --> 00:43:08.949 you know, some some folks called the law first mentions, like the first 565 00:43:08.989 --> 00:43:14.460 mention of something in the Bible kind of establishes, I guess, the foundation 566 00:43:14.659 --> 00:43:17.619 for that subject. Yeah, and I think this is the first mention of 567 00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:22.619 of guess in this sense an infant dying, write, an infant in the 568 00:43:22.659 --> 00:43:25.659 children of Israel and the Covenant that God had made with Israel. Yeah, 569 00:43:25.659 --> 00:43:29.690 my biblical knowledge is not good enough to say, but I'll trust you it 570 00:43:30.010 --> 00:43:31.809 is that. It's okay. So it's second Samuel, twelve, fifteen to 571 00:43:32.010 --> 00:43:36.170 twenty three, and I'm not going to read through it unless you want to. 572 00:43:36.530 --> 00:43:38.690 We don't have to. Most people probably know this. But but kind 573 00:43:38.690 --> 00:43:43.039 of in summary, maybe maybe you want to summarize it. So how? 574 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:45.599 What? How savid responding? Well, was kind of set up the story 575 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.599 and how David was yeah, well, of course you know David, you 576 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:53.719 know, had sinned with Bath Sheba and and then in the course of things, 577 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:57.750 God obviously exposed his sin. We don't know about David Sin. How 578 00:43:57.789 --> 00:44:01.670 God exposes yeah, and then Bathsheba, you know, summarizing, Bathsheba ends 579 00:44:01.710 --> 00:44:06.909 up pregnant, you know, and and they find out that the child that 580 00:44:06.989 --> 00:44:10.219 she ultimately delivers has some sort of sickness. I don't think we even have. 581 00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:14.059 We don't understand what that is, but it looks like he's going to 582 00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:16.619 die. Yeah, and so David begins to fast and pray before the Lord. 583 00:44:16.659 --> 00:44:21.900 David knew that he sinned and he would repent it. Psalm fifty one 584 00:44:22.059 --> 00:44:23.809 is David, Psalm of repentance before the Lord. It's you, and you 585 00:44:23.849 --> 00:44:27.289 alone, have a sin and done what is evil in your sight. Is 586 00:44:27.369 --> 00:44:31.210 what he says. This apparently happens sometime after that. If Day sin was 587 00:44:31.250 --> 00:44:36.449 exposing all that see away. David's fasting and crying out to God, and 588 00:44:36.610 --> 00:44:39.519 then he sees, and I'm paraphrasing, so don't quote me on this exactly, 589 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.599 but he sees the his servants over to the side. They're talking among 590 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:47.280 themselves and he perceives it. Okay, so the child is already dead. 591 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.960 You know, I'm fasting, I'm praying, I'm pouring myself out in supplication, 592 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.829 hoping that God will have mercy. But apparently that the child still died. 593 00:44:57.429 --> 00:45:00.070 And when the child died, he got up and he ate and he 594 00:45:00.750 --> 00:45:04.789 anointing himself with oil and the servants ask him, why were you weeping when 595 00:45:04.789 --> 00:45:07.500 you thought he was going to die and now you're like everything's okay, when 596 00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:14.219 he actually is dead? And David says, listen, I know that God 597 00:45:15.219 --> 00:45:19.780 has received him. I know that where he is, I cannot I can't 598 00:45:19.780 --> 00:45:22.050 go to him right now, or he says he won't come to me as 599 00:45:22.050 --> 00:45:22.929 what he says. He will come to me, but I will go to 600 00:45:23.010 --> 00:45:25.489 him. So, yeah, what's implied there is he's gone on to be 601 00:45:25.610 --> 00:45:29.489 with the Lord, right, and I'll be with him one day. Yeah. 602 00:45:29.570 --> 00:45:31.489 Yeah, and he says, I have that first written down. Since 603 00:45:31.530 --> 00:45:35.719 he has died, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? 604 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.159 I shall go to him, but he will not return to him. 605 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:43.400 Yeah, but you know, there's really no other way to explain that other 606 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.079 than to say David's talking about the afterlife. Yeah, and and he's going 607 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:51.110 to go to him eventually. When he did? Yes, yeah, and 608 00:45:51.869 --> 00:45:55.269 and there's a sense of hope in and this this change in in how he 609 00:45:55.909 --> 00:45:59.750 how he is acting. Yeah, before the Sun Dies and after the sun 610 00:45:59.829 --> 00:46:05.739 dies it changes from this grieving weeping, crying out to God lamenting, fasting 611 00:46:06.820 --> 00:46:12.780 to he washes up, he stops fasting. He he stops. I'm sure 612 00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:15.340 he mourns to some degree, but there's a hopefulness that that he is going 613 00:46:15.380 --> 00:46:19.369 to go to this sun. Yeah, and he year was what. I 614 00:46:19.489 --> 00:46:24.090 had heard of that before, but I had never really contrasted that with David 615 00:46:24.610 --> 00:46:30.849 reaction and actions following the death of another son. Absolutely absolom, and that 616 00:46:31.170 --> 00:46:37.519 versus strange, I think important contrast it is. So look at Second Samuel 617 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:42.679 Nineteen. Yeah, wonderful. And and do you know just a little bit 618 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:49.429 of background? So Absalom is clearly rebelling against learn and against tipify. Absolutely 619 00:46:49.590 --> 00:46:54.750 he's an and he gets killed. David soldiers kill him and and they come 620 00:46:54.829 --> 00:47:01.019 and tell David and David is just grief stricken. Yeah, so did you 621 00:47:01.059 --> 00:47:06.900 find that? Yeah, the verse Thirty Three. Second Samuel Eighteen. Okay, 622 00:47:07.099 --> 00:47:09.139 Verse Thirty Three. Then the king was deeply moved and went up into 623 00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:13.460 the chamber over the gate and wept and as he went he said this, 624 00:47:14.500 --> 00:47:16.849 Oh my son, absalom, my son, my son, if only I 625 00:47:17.010 --> 00:47:20.889 had died in your place. So, absolom, my son, my son. 626 00:47:21.329 --> 00:47:23.010 And then the commander of his army basically rebukes them and says, Hey, 627 00:47:23.210 --> 00:47:27.369 these men fault for you, against Absalom, because maybe absong was trying 628 00:47:27.409 --> 00:47:31.599 to kill you, and now you're weeping over him. And Likely David lost 629 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:35.039 men in this battle. Could have lost men, these men, but their 630 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.800 life on the line and you're weeping over your your enemy son, your rebel 631 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.000 son. Right of course you know David. This is what astounds me about 632 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.230 David. Even though he sinned in the way that he did, this man 633 00:47:46.429 --> 00:47:50.349 was after the heart of God. God even says, and this is after 634 00:47:50.429 --> 00:47:52.869 David Sin God says, this is a man after my own heart. He 635 00:47:52.989 --> 00:47:58.190 understood some things about God, I've said in the past and preaching about David. 636 00:47:58.230 --> 00:48:01.500 David was a new covenant man in an Old Covenant World. Like he 637 00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:07.139 understood things about the new covenant that many Christians don't even understand and about God's 638 00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:10.260 dealings with humanity and grace and all of that. And yet this man, 639 00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:15.650 of course, is broken over this son, Absalom, and I think the 640 00:48:15.809 --> 00:48:17.130 point which you're trying to make, it I'm going to help you make, 641 00:48:17.530 --> 00:48:21.730 is that though he was broken over his son, who was an infant, 642 00:48:21.769 --> 00:48:24.090 who was sick, it was a child, he was encouraged, or not 643 00:48:24.170 --> 00:48:27.760 encourage. I'll say he was. He was he had hoped, there was 644 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.039 hope for that child and he said he's going to go to the sun. 645 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:35.639 He talks about the afterlife. Yeah, with with a promise and hope. 646 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:40.079 Look at what he says. It's like this is a hopeless just desperation before 647 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:45.389 God. Only I had died instead of you. Why would he say that? 648 00:48:45.550 --> 00:48:49.670 If he thought Absalom was in a better place, he wouldn't have. 649 00:48:51.030 --> 00:48:57.019 But so he clearly appears to believe his son, his infant son, has 650 00:48:57.099 --> 00:48:59.940 passed on to be with God, in a better place and he will go 651 00:49:00.219 --> 00:49:05.340 to him. Absalom, not so much. APSALAM appears to have been condemned 652 00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:10.570 through through what he has done. So okay, so connus, since since 653 00:49:10.650 --> 00:49:16.690 we've I think we've kind of gotten through the main point. Yeah, I 654 00:49:16.809 --> 00:49:22.969 think and I hope that we've made at least beginning arguments. Your people, 655 00:49:22.050 --> 00:49:29.400 that sir, to believe that that babies are going to heaven. And but 656 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.360 there are some of some people may be listening to us, who have had 657 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:40.469 an abortion, yeah, or miscarriage, and but specifically for those who have 658 00:49:40.590 --> 00:49:47.469 had an abortion and as they may be suffering some too responses, some may 659 00:49:47.510 --> 00:49:52.309 be suffering guilt, and we just want to make sure. We've said it 660 00:49:52.429 --> 00:49:55.219 before, but to know hope and healing a weight, but it doesn't await 661 00:49:55.340 --> 00:50:00.179 by concealing your sin, and I I'm just going to quote a verse from 662 00:50:00.219 --> 00:50:06.500 Proverbs Thirteen. Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who 663 00:50:06.579 --> 00:50:13.610 confesses and renounces them finds mercy and in Ix Nineteen, repent, then turn 664 00:50:13.730 --> 00:50:16.889 to God so that your sins may be wiped out the Times of refreshing may 665 00:50:16.969 --> 00:50:22.280 come from the Lord. So there is hope and healing in the confessionist. 666 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.559 Yeah, in one sense, which is something I did want to mention and 667 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.119 I know you wanted to mention too, is that you this idea, you 668 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.880 know, from the pro choice. You accusation side of these babies are going 669 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:36.030 to heaven. Then what are you doing? Well, just simply, I 670 00:50:36.190 --> 00:50:38.230 believe. You know, I believe my wife is going to heaven. I'm 671 00:50:38.230 --> 00:50:42.829 not going to let someone kill her. Right. You know, just because 672 00:50:42.869 --> 00:50:45.630 someone's going to heaven doesn't mean it's okay to kill them. Right. You 673 00:50:45.710 --> 00:50:47.469 don't violate then, you don't this command. Man. Yes, that's an 674 00:50:47.710 --> 00:50:51.940 and you don't violate God's command to protect the innocent, right, right. 675 00:50:51.940 --> 00:50:54.460 So, if we have this principle in the scripture that we should protect those 676 00:50:54.500 --> 00:50:57.820 who are innocent, whether they're going to heaven or not, that's, yeah, 677 00:50:57.980 --> 00:51:01.059 sort of a ridiculous notion and it's just it's a real twisted accusation. 678 00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:07.449 Yeah, anyway. But also this this idea that, because it can be 679 00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:12.969 perverted into say, you know, I've heard it from women going into abortion 680 00:51:13.050 --> 00:51:15.650 clinics. Well, this baby's going to heaven anyway. Yeah, and it 681 00:51:15.730 --> 00:51:20.199 becomes a rational becomes a rationalization, and we certainly don't want to fall prey 682 00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.840 to any kind of rationalization or give creed as to any kind of rationalizations like 683 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.639 that. Right, but we do have to be consistent with scripture and it 684 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:34.030 can you imagine what a woman who who comes to the Lord who's had an 685 00:51:34.070 --> 00:51:39.030 abortion would be dealing with in her mind if she thought that it's possible that 686 00:51:39.110 --> 00:51:44.869 she sent her baby to hell by having an abortion? Yeah, yeah, 687 00:51:45.510 --> 00:51:49.739 that would just that could be a comforting thing at all. Right, but 688 00:51:49.900 --> 00:51:52.699 it's also and again it's not emotion, it's believe, it's scripturally just completely 689 00:51:52.780 --> 00:51:57.500 debond. The God's not putting that child into hell. Yeah, God's child 690 00:51:57.579 --> 00:52:01.010 is gone to heaven. Yeah, and because he's merciful, shall not the 691 00:52:01.050 --> 00:52:05.010 judge of all the earth. Yeah. Right. And something that occurred to 692 00:52:05.050 --> 00:52:09.809 me as I was thinking about this about how to counsel abortion minded women believing, 693 00:52:09.889 --> 00:52:14.929 as I do, that their babies will go to heaven is yeah, 694 00:52:14.969 --> 00:52:19.480 that baby will be in heaven, but maybe you won't hear about to commit 695 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.280 murder. Yeah, and and so you know, we are and and actually 696 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:29.320 there's a verse that really Romans six one. Maybe we send so that grace 697 00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.869 should abound. God Forbid, may it never be. Yeah, we don't 698 00:52:32.150 --> 00:52:36.469 sin so that God's grace can be poured out on those babies. Yeah, 699 00:52:36.590 --> 00:52:39.829 and, and I think that is a concept throughout script surely so, God 700 00:52:39.909 --> 00:52:45.659 will forgive, but we do not presume on his forgiveness and we don't sin, 701 00:52:45.300 --> 00:52:51.059 presuming upon His mercy, grace and forgiveness. Yeah. So, yeah, 702 00:52:51.260 --> 00:52:53.019 well, you know, we've gone through a lot of scripture. We 703 00:52:53.099 --> 00:52:57.340 have, and so no one can accuse us of not having having done our 704 00:52:57.340 --> 00:53:00.409 due diligence and going through the scripture. But what do you guys think? 705 00:53:00.449 --> 00:53:02.530 I mean, certainly I'd love to hear from those who have a different opinion. 706 00:53:04.610 --> 00:53:07.130 Maybe they'll have on a podcast. Yeah, I would love to have 707 00:53:07.250 --> 00:53:12.010 someone on a podcast he believes that that unborn aboarded children go to hale, 708 00:53:12.050 --> 00:53:14.800 or at least potentially good ale, and like to talk through that. Yeah, 709 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.280 certainly don't understand that. That that idea and I don't see it Biblically, 710 00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.559 but I certainly like to talk to anybody had that, that persuasion or 711 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.679 just maybe there's some things that we didn't consider, because I believe that any 712 00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:30.550 subject that we crack up in our Bible and look into has theological and practical 713 00:53:30.630 --> 00:53:35.110 implications. What are some of the theological and practical and practical implications that were 714 00:53:35.150 --> 00:53:37.550 missing maybe in the subject? What are some of the ones that we touched 715 00:53:37.630 --> 00:53:39.269 on that you really appreciate it? You want to hear from you, you 716 00:53:39.349 --> 00:53:43.139 know. Certainly you can shoot me an email. D Parks at cities for 717 00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:46.980 LIFECOM, cities in the number four lifecom, Vicky v Kassi, org at 718 00:53:47.059 --> 00:53:51.460 cities for lifecom. We can reach out to us. I'm on Facebook, 719 00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:55.690 she's on facebook and you can reach us through a website. Again, we 720 00:53:55.730 --> 00:54:00.250 encourage you guys, as we always do, to good our sidewalks for life 721 00:54:00.170 --> 00:54:07.210 website, www dot sidewalks and number four lifecom with some sidewalk counseling training information 722 00:54:07.690 --> 00:54:09.119 and we may put an article out there. You talked about putting an arc 723 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:14.480 about this, at least to encourage sidewalk counselors, and you know, so 724 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.039 maybe we'll put an on our site, lost for life site. And yeah, 725 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:21.280 maybe, if I think of it, will link this, this podcast 726 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.389 that that'd be good. But but we appreciate all those who listen and when 727 00:54:24.429 --> 00:54:29.510 we hope that you guys are blessed as you listen and we'll we'll talk to 728 00:54:29.550 --> 00:54:45.019 you later. Give for love, give me our love for gratitude. I 729 00:54:45.340 --> 00:54:54.730 know it will cost me my love. Nothing's too precious in some you