Jan. 22, 2020

Do Unborn Babies Go To Heaven?

Do Unborn Babies Go To Heaven?

You may have never thought about this question but it's an important one to think about. What does the Bible say about the eternal destiny of children who die in the womb or before they are old enough to put their trust in Jesus? Join us as we talk...


You may have never thought about this question but it's an important one to think about. What does the Bible say about the eternal destiny of children who die in the womb or before they are old enough to put their trust in Jesus? Join us as we talk through this subject.

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.440 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.910 I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center per life podcast. In 3 00:00:10.990 --> 00:00:15.390 this episode we're going to ask and answer the question, hopefully, do unborn 4 00:00:15.429 --> 00:00:20.109 children go to heaven? This is an important theological question, so stay tuned. 5 00:00:23.660 --> 00:02:20.379 I felt your past touch your heart getting to go to heaven. Okay, 6 00:02:20.539 --> 00:02:22.620 in the scripture, and I think we can kind of build a case. 7 00:02:22.939 --> 00:02:24.620 Yeah, that that that, I think, is both of our our 8 00:02:24.699 --> 00:02:30.289 feelings as we have delved through the scripture. So you know, and I 9 00:02:30.889 --> 00:02:35.610 I took some notes here and and there are some verses that I think are 10 00:02:35.689 --> 00:02:39.090 good premise versus, yeah, for us to look at him. One of 11 00:02:39.129 --> 00:02:46.159 those is genesis eighteen, twenty five, okay, and I have the end 12 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.639 of that verse. I don't think this is the full verse, but shall 13 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:55.080 not the judge of all the earth deal justly? Yes, is speaking about 14 00:02:55.159 --> 00:03:00.110 God, and the reason that that's such an important first I think in this 15 00:03:00.310 --> 00:03:07.629 subject is because this subject really does go to the character of God. Yeah, 16 00:03:07.909 --> 00:03:16.419 would a just, righteous God condemn an infant or an unborn baby to 17 00:03:16.539 --> 00:03:20.699 how? Yeah, you know, I think that's the understanding that people need 18 00:03:20.780 --> 00:03:25.139 to have. I've had conversations with people and I've seen facebook postings from people 19 00:03:25.659 --> 00:03:29.409 that, you know, I'm like, what the world's going on here? 20 00:03:29.449 --> 00:03:31.090 You know, people say that. You know, for people say that we 21 00:03:31.169 --> 00:03:37.210 need to be at the abortion clinics because unborn babies go to hell and part 22 00:03:37.250 --> 00:03:42.520 of our intervention there's not just saving the lives of unborn children but also saving 23 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.360 them from from Hell, and that really rubs me the wrong way because I'm 24 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:52.039 like, what in the world like that? That doesn't seem to be biblical. 25 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:57.430 It doesn't seem to to accurate, accurately convey the character of God as 26 00:03:57.469 --> 00:04:02.509 I see it in the scripture and and it just offends my sensitivities. But 27 00:04:02.830 --> 00:04:06.550 again, I don't want to be just driven emotionally. Right, you're making 28 00:04:06.590 --> 00:04:11.259 God look bad. I want to be driven by what let the truth is, 29 00:04:11.340 --> 00:04:15.139 what actually is, is true about what God's words say. Right, 30 00:04:15.539 --> 00:04:17.860 right. You know another thing, and we've dealt with this, and I 31 00:04:18.459 --> 00:04:24.810 forget exactly what podcast. Well, we early on, I believe, we 32 00:04:24.970 --> 00:04:28.449 talked about some of the pro choice arguments and that sort of thing, and 33 00:04:28.569 --> 00:04:31.449 we mention this subject and we've heard it from prochoice people. If all of 34 00:04:31.529 --> 00:04:35.410 these babies are going to heaven, then why on the world are you guys 35 00:04:35.569 --> 00:04:40.720 trying to stop them from being aboarded? Because this is just a fast way 36 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.759 to get them to heaven. Right. You're kind of showing the flip side 37 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:48.839 of this argument. On one hand, it it is this incredible, Wady, 38 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:56.870 discouraging, depressing thought that we are watching three thousand and twenty forty souls 39 00:04:57.350 --> 00:05:00.910 condemned, yeah, every day. If this is true, that they don't 40 00:05:00.910 --> 00:05:03.470 go to heaven, yeah, that they're going to hell. You know, 41 00:05:03.670 --> 00:05:08.860 then I can't imagine not just weeping on the sidewalk every day, and I 42 00:05:08.899 --> 00:05:11.579 don't know how I could be there. And then, on the other hand, 43 00:05:11.980 --> 00:05:15.420 those are saying ad's no big deal, these are all going to heaven 44 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:17.819 anyway. Right, why don't you just go home and drink coffee and and 45 00:05:18.060 --> 00:05:21.850 have a Bon Boux? I know, I know one guy had put on 46 00:05:23.009 --> 00:05:25.930 facebook and when three of that I was watching. You know, if if 47 00:05:25.970 --> 00:05:29.490 all unborn babies go to heaven and then when, we shouldn't even be out 48 00:05:29.490 --> 00:05:32.370 there because after all, it's this could be the biggest evangelical revival in the 49 00:05:32.449 --> 00:05:36.439 history of humanity, because we've murdered sixty five million of them. We've sent 50 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:41.879 sixty five million of them directly exactly heaven, and I'm like, okay, 51 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.879 this is just a twist of way to look at it really and it's, 52 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.920 I think, an umbiblical way and we'll get into this some the scriptures. 53 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.870 But we also need to have in our mind because I know that there are 54 00:05:49.910 --> 00:05:55.069 folks that will flippantly say, and I've heard this, that you know, 55 00:05:55.470 --> 00:05:57.949 we have no reason to believe these unborn babies are going to heaven. And 56 00:05:59.269 --> 00:06:02.110 understand what you're saying there the understand when we're talking about the judgment of God 57 00:06:02.589 --> 00:06:05.019 and we're talking about people going to hell. You know, there's this notion 58 00:06:05.139 --> 00:06:09.699 you God doesn't send anyone to hell. We send ourselves to hell. I 59 00:06:09.779 --> 00:06:13.019 understand what they're saying, right. We make decisions to reject the Gospel, 60 00:06:13.339 --> 00:06:15.540 to sin. Our sin is what leads us to to the judgment of God. 61 00:06:15.819 --> 00:06:19.370 But understand, folks, when you're talking about the idea that God puts 62 00:06:19.410 --> 00:06:24.490 any anyone goes to hell, that God is the one putting them there. 63 00:06:25.209 --> 00:06:29.370 God puts people in Him. It's like, before we started the PODCAST, 64 00:06:29.449 --> 00:06:34.199 I'm mention it's kind of like a jailer, a police officer puts someone into 65 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.160 jail, right, because they've committed a crime. Okay, they don't put 66 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.839 themselves in jail. Police officer actually has to get them and put them in 67 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:46.120 jail. Right, biblically speaking, it is God himself who flings people into 68 00:06:46.189 --> 00:06:49.430 hell, into the fires of Hell. So if you are making an argument, 69 00:06:50.069 --> 00:06:54.430 and I'm not just appealing on emotion, I am sort of, but 70 00:06:54.509 --> 00:06:58.389 I'm just talking biblically here. As far as who puts who where, if 71 00:06:58.430 --> 00:07:00.699 you're going to make an argument that God that unborn babies go to hell, 72 00:07:00.740 --> 00:07:08.620 understand you're saying that God puts unborn children and puts infants in Hell. Right, 73 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:12.420 it's not just them going there by default, as far as I mean. 74 00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:14.860 Right, be course we believe that people by De Fault or sin. 75 00:07:14.980 --> 00:07:17.810 Right, right, but God's putting them there. Yeah, and so, 76 00:07:18.089 --> 00:07:20.970 as the just judge of all the earth, exactly. And so thinking about 77 00:07:21.009 --> 00:07:25.610 that, I have often heard us, I'm sure you have well adjust, 78 00:07:25.769 --> 00:07:30.959 God would never put some one in hell to suffer for all eternity. Yeah, 79 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.680 this is different. This is different as you're looking at the character of 80 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:42.879 God, and it's different based on what conclusion we come to. Really regarding. 81 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:50.069 Are these babies innocent? Okay, are they sinners? What? Are 82 00:07:50.149 --> 00:07:55.389 they right and and that's that. That's, I think, really important, 83 00:07:56.470 --> 00:08:01.939 and that's kind of leads to the second premise scripture, looky, that I 84 00:08:03.019 --> 00:08:05.579 wanted to bring up to the first one, was that, with the first 85 00:08:05.699 --> 00:08:07.620 God speaking of Abraham, shall not the judge of all the Earth do right? 86 00:08:07.740 --> 00:08:13.050 Okay, yeah, and that his characters he will do right. Okay, 87 00:08:13.250 --> 00:08:16.170 he will. We can trust he will judge justly. He would judge 88 00:08:16.209 --> 00:08:20.129 rightly. I think he will always do what is right. Is What when? 89 00:08:20.129 --> 00:08:22.689 Yeah, I mean, may I'll say just simply put scripturally, God 90 00:08:22.810 --> 00:08:26.160 cannot do that which is against his nature. Okay, you know. And 91 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.399 so God's nature, you know, God is not a man that he should 92 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.480 lie. It's not that God doesn't want to lie. Yeah, it's not. 93 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.600 Want to put human terminology on God in this sense, but, for 94 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.149 lack of a better term, it's not within God's capacity to lie right like 95 00:08:41.629 --> 00:08:46.230 he can't. Not that he doesn't want to. Yeah, he just can't 96 00:08:46.309 --> 00:08:48.590 write because he is truth itself right completely. In the same way, you 97 00:08:48.789 --> 00:08:54.269 cannot do that which is unjust. Correctly, it's just not within the realm 98 00:08:54.350 --> 00:08:58.500 of possibility. Yeah, because he is the just God. Right. So, 99 00:08:58.179 --> 00:09:01.059 in terms of our infants, innocent, and I'm not going to answer 100 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:03.659 that question yet. I think that by the end of for in question, 101 00:09:03.740 --> 00:09:07.860 it is very important and I think that by the end, I think we'll 102 00:09:07.899 --> 00:09:11.570 have a better understanding after we've gone through the scripture, hopefully now. Just 103 00:09:11.850 --> 00:09:13.450 this little caveat I think we need to put out there, yeah, is 104 00:09:13.570 --> 00:09:20.450 that we are not the intellectual phologians right, that we might put ourselves out 105 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.759 to breaking, that we are not the mean. I'm sure many of you 106 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.039 think we're like top of the wrong theologians were not, you think some people 107 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.080 think that that's the probably don't. Actually, hopefully they don't, but we 108 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.240 do try to think these things for biblically and talking through Bilic biblically. And 109 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.029 if nothing else, guys, this is encouraging you to get into the scriptures 110 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:45.190 exactly see what the Bible says about this and if we're wrong about the conclusions 111 00:09:45.230 --> 00:09:46.789 that were drawing, or at least the conclusions were trying to point you to, 112 00:09:48.629 --> 00:09:50.990 then let us know we're wrong. You know, y'all put my email 113 00:09:50.990 --> 00:09:54.740 address out there on regular basis. I'm on facebook. You're on facebook and 114 00:09:56.059 --> 00:09:58.179 shoot me an email and say hey, you, have you considered this? 115 00:09:58.340 --> 00:10:00.779 If you considered that? So the end of this thing. We're not claiming 116 00:10:00.820 --> 00:10:03.100 to have it all figured out. Yeah, but I do think that we 117 00:10:03.179 --> 00:10:05.059 have some stuff figured out. That, yeah, helpful. It's an honest 118 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:11.570 examination scripture. I think we are doing an honest and and God doesn't just 119 00:10:11.809 --> 00:10:15.809 put scripture out for the high and mighty and the people at the top of 120 00:10:15.850 --> 00:10:18.970 the IQ level, right. He put scripture out to guide all of us. 121 00:10:18.090 --> 00:10:24.320 So the second scripture is Romans three, D and twenty three, for 122 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:30.039 all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. All all have 123 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:35.950 sinned. It doesn't say all people over a certain age, it doesn't even 124 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:41.870 say all born people. It says all have sinned and fall short of the 125 00:10:41.909 --> 00:10:43.470 glory of God. So I think that, you know, that's an important 126 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:50.899 thing to considers as we're thinking about this issue of well, all have sinned. 127 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:54.620 Well, what does that mean? And the Bible? I think maybe, 128 00:10:54.659 --> 00:10:56.940 Daniel, you could talk about this, certainly more depth than I could, 129 00:10:56.980 --> 00:11:03.100 but scripture is pretty clear that we are all marked by, I guess, 130 00:11:03.299 --> 00:11:05.730 bit or original sin. You would be you may have a better term 131 00:11:05.850 --> 00:11:09.289 than that, but I don't really have a better term for that. I 132 00:11:09.370 --> 00:11:13.610 mean that's been the term that the church has used, I believe, since 133 00:11:13.730 --> 00:11:18.279 the very beginnings of these arguments in church history, and not just the Catholic 134 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.639 Church, but you know, the Evangelical Church, the you know reformed church 135 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.480 has used the term original sin. Yeah, and just is not a Biblical 136 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.840 term, like you don't see it in the Bible, in the pages of 137 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:33.990 the Bible. Original Sin. I think the concept that's been put forth thanks 138 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:39.269 you know, a biblical concept that all had sinned through the first at the 139 00:11:39.389 --> 00:11:41.309 first atom. Yeah, well, the here's here's where the question lies, 140 00:11:41.950 --> 00:11:46.669 I believe. Then we'll get in some of these scriptures that, you know, 141 00:11:46.830 --> 00:11:50.379 the sort of I guess, cooperate. What I'm saying here is that 142 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:58.059 there's this concept for some folks that original sin implies original guilt. Like all 143 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:01.809 send in Adam this. The Bible says that I'll send an Adam right. 144 00:12:01.090 --> 00:12:05.889 Does that mean, though, all are guilty of Adam's sin? Okay, 145 00:12:05.529 --> 00:12:09.809 that would be the first question because the way I see it, as I 146 00:12:09.889 --> 00:12:11.929 dig into the Scriptures, and there are certain scriptures that I think you're very 147 00:12:13.009 --> 00:12:18.480 explicit, very plain about how guilt is incurred. Is that. Yes, 148 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.559 we are all tainted with sin. We all have the propensity for sin. 149 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:28.120 I've explained it before. Like a an inescapable, inescapable genetic defect. We 150 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:35.629 all have that bend towards sin, given over to ourselves without the intervention of 151 00:12:35.750 --> 00:12:37.870 God, we will all go into sin. We will all remain in sin. 152 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:41.750 You cannot rescue yourself from your sin. And it's and it's from early 153 00:12:41.870 --> 00:12:45.220 on, and I want to just interrupt here a second to bring that out. 154 00:12:45.220 --> 00:12:50.379 In Psalm Five, the Bible reveals we are brought forth in iniquity. 155 00:12:50.899 --> 00:12:54.659 So we bear whatever that is, that stain of original sin, from the 156 00:12:54.860 --> 00:13:05.009 moment of our conception. Okay, okay. So so going from there, 157 00:13:05.210 --> 00:13:13.039 than, what is our basis for claiming that babies who die in infancy go 158 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.159 to heaven? Yeah, they are. I mean we haven't yet claimed that 159 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.279 right. Well, well, haven't we? Having given our position? Haven't 160 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.600 given our so, but but I'll just go ahead and let the cat out 161 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:24.960 of the bag. That is my position. Unborn Children in infants, yeah, 162 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.509 do go to have it. So Um, that's at least my belief. 163 00:13:28.629 --> 00:13:30.629 Okay, so let's go to a verse, okay, to try and 164 00:13:30.750 --> 00:13:35.669 like support now we're we're kind of going with right. So, Second Corinthians 165 00:13:35.830 --> 00:13:39.830 five ten. Okay, okay, and and you. We want to turn 166 00:13:39.909 --> 00:13:41.940 to that? Yeah, that would be good, because there's a couple of 167 00:13:41.860 --> 00:13:46.419 phrases from that verse that that I think are really important. Okay, said 168 00:13:46.460 --> 00:13:52.700 Corinthians Five, Second Corinthians five and ten. Yet I certainly did not mean 169 00:13:52.299 --> 00:13:56.450 that with it sexually immoral. People's at the right one of this world judged 170 00:13:58.090 --> 00:14:00.690 it. Go to the part the Bible teaches that we are judged on the 171 00:14:00.730 --> 00:14:03.409 basis of our deeds committed in the body. Is that in that one? 172 00:14:03.450 --> 00:14:05.129 Did I give you the wrong verse? Yeah, I think you gave me 173 00:14:05.169 --> 00:14:09.649 the wrong Grad. Okay, will forgive you because you're tainted with the regulation 174 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.240 and we'll get the correct verse. Okay, we'll get the correct verse, 175 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.440 but the the because Second Grethians, five Tennessee, not first a second. 176 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:20.399 I'm sorry, I gave you the wrong number. Forgive you for the okay, 177 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.269 all right, so it says for we missed all appear and see. 178 00:14:24.350 --> 00:14:26.789 Listen, I should have known that. That's scripture. Okay, yeah, 179 00:14:28.549 --> 00:14:33.470 we blame Daniel instead of for we must all appear before the judgment seat of 180 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:37.590 Christ that each one may receive the things done in the body according to what 181 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:41.139 he has done, whether good or bad. Yeah, okay, so that 182 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:43.940 first part of the phrase, and let me keep going there. Okay, 183 00:14:45.019 --> 00:14:48.340 against betters. Okays, knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, 184 00:14:48.460 --> 00:14:52.929 to this God that we serve is a terrible God in some sense, you 185 00:14:52.009 --> 00:14:56.330 know, is there's terror to be had. So there is judges. No 186 00:14:56.409 --> 00:15:00.009 One's knowing it. Yeah, that's important to okay, knowing, therefore, 187 00:15:00.009 --> 00:15:01.970 the terror of the Lord, we persuade men. So this is of course, 188 00:15:03.009 --> 00:15:07.129 US as Christians, won the persuade people to turn away from the terror 189 00:15:07.129 --> 00:15:09.720 of the Lord, the judgment of Lord. But we are wellknown to God 190 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.559 and also trust that we were wellknown in your consciences. So anyway, just 191 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.399 okay, good of the Lord part there. Okay, because no one is 192 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.279 saying, at least from our part, that there isn't a judgment of God. 193 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.269 There are certainly judgment of God for Sin. The question is is, 194 00:15:24.870 --> 00:15:28.950 does the judgment of God abide on Unborn Children and infants? Right, okay, 195 00:15:30.190 --> 00:15:33.149 so let's kind of Parse that. First. It says we were we 196 00:15:33.230 --> 00:15:37.460 are to be judged on the basis of our deeds committed in the body. 197 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:46.820 Yeah, okay. And so we're not judged by on the basis of original 198 00:15:46.860 --> 00:15:54.809 sin, but for our sins committed in the body during our lifetimes. Okay, 199 00:15:54.970 --> 00:16:00.769 okay. So, and that correct me if I'm wrong, but is 200 00:16:00.850 --> 00:16:08.759 there any point in scripture where we are said to be judged based on original 201 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:15.320 sin, on the stain of sin, as supposed to the act of sin? 202 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.669 You know, it says in First John, I believe it's chapter three. 203 00:16:18.750 --> 00:16:22.190 HMM, it seems to be. I think. I don't know if 204 00:16:22.230 --> 00:16:25.549 anyone to argue with this, but all through the scriptures this idea that we're 205 00:16:25.789 --> 00:16:30.070 judge for our sin. Like people don't go to hell because there's a false 206 00:16:30.149 --> 00:16:33.659 concept that people go to hell because they don't accept Jesus. People don't go 207 00:16:33.740 --> 00:16:37.059 to hell because they don't accept Jesus. People go to hell because they are 208 00:16:37.179 --> 00:16:42.139 sinners. Sin, they violated God's law and therefore they deserve the judgment of 209 00:16:42.220 --> 00:16:47.570 God, Jesus blood. It's pitation for that sin. So it's not that 210 00:16:47.690 --> 00:16:51.649 you don't it's like, well, people get to jail because they don't believe 211 00:16:51.690 --> 00:16:53.809 the judge and know that's not true. They go to jail because they've committed 212 00:16:53.809 --> 00:16:57.809 a crime. So there's that that premise there. Yeah, but the scripture 213 00:16:57.929 --> 00:17:02.200 in that was referred to in First John, Chapter Three, it says sin 214 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:07.240 is lawlessness. So sin is actually a translation. Could be sin is a 215 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.359 violation of the law. So it's a volitional thing. As far as the 216 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.400 sins like this talk about here, sins committed in the body, it's a 217 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.349 decision that you make to do a thing that you know is wrong, because 218 00:17:18.390 --> 00:17:21.990 we all have a conscience. Right, no, right from wrong. So 219 00:17:22.150 --> 00:17:23.470 when we sin, when we lie, we cheat, when we steal, 220 00:17:25.349 --> 00:17:29.150 kill someone, you're doing it, you know. Some said, actually recomfort 221 00:17:29.150 --> 00:17:32.380 uses this. He says you know, you do it against your conscience. 222 00:17:32.940 --> 00:17:36.900 Conscience, you've break the word down. With con is with science, is 223 00:17:36.980 --> 00:17:41.059 knowledge. You do it with knowledge. You violate your conscience that it's wrong. 224 00:17:41.660 --> 00:17:45.009 People don't sin unless they know that it's wrong. Right, right, 225 00:17:45.170 --> 00:17:48.690 which brings up all kinds of points. But but first of all, so 226 00:17:48.809 --> 00:17:55.329 it's an act God your body. That is against God's law. Yeah, 227 00:17:55.769 --> 00:18:02.279 do infants do that? And I I would be hard pressed to say infants 228 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.759 to do that. I don't think they do. I don't think they can. 229 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:11.400 So that that's the main point. We're going to get to. The 230 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.990 second point I'm going to make a little bit later in more detail. But 231 00:18:17.269 --> 00:18:22.150 not only do I they don't. They just don't. They're especially an unborn 232 00:18:22.269 --> 00:18:26.630 infant. Yeah, what sin can you commit in the kicking your mother from 233 00:18:26.630 --> 00:18:32.220 the inside out? Really? But the second part of that is that it 234 00:18:32.420 --> 00:18:37.019 has to be, like you said, with knowledge. Does an infant have 235 00:18:38.099 --> 00:18:44.650 the moral discernment, the to choose? Yeah, because it's a choice sinisen 236 00:18:44.769 --> 00:18:48.250 change. Yeah, in agreement, but I'm very invalue my head. Right. 237 00:18:48.369 --> 00:18:52.289 Doesn't infant have the ability, even the the moral, the cognitive ability, 238 00:18:52.450 --> 00:18:56.759 to make a choice either for sin or for good? So keep that 239 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:57.799 kind of in the back of your mind, folks, but you know, 240 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:03.720 we'll kind of get back to that later. But there's a really interesting text 241 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.920 that I was said in here. Again, here's the thing that we can't 242 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.190 we can't fall prey to our emotions in this MMM, either way. Right, 243 00:19:11.230 --> 00:19:14.990 right, yeah, this this idea that kids are absolutely innocent and they've 244 00:19:15.069 --> 00:19:17.950 done anohing wrong because, after all, they're cute, you know, right 245 00:19:18.069 --> 00:19:19.750 and right. So they can't have done anything wrong in the course. The 246 00:19:19.789 --> 00:19:23.740 other side of the coin is we've all sinned in their infants are wicked and 247 00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:30.220 adults are we can whatever. Okay, let's stop and let's see what Saith 248 00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:36.099 the scripture. What does the Bible say about the innocence of Infants, of 249 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:40.009 children? I mean we have a little bit, I think, in the 250 00:19:40.049 --> 00:19:44.609 scriptures about unborn children in the womb. We have we have enough information to 251 00:19:44.650 --> 00:19:47.849 the scripture to say that there's valuable as born children correct. You know, 252 00:19:47.930 --> 00:19:49.970 we have the Luke passage that refers to an unborn child just as much as, 253 00:19:51.289 --> 00:19:52.400 you know, the same terminology as a born child. So we have 254 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.839 that. But as we're looking through the scriptures and we see what say the 255 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.200 scripture about this, again, we can't be driven by motion at the look 256 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:04.400 at what the Scripture says and, you know, let's just dig in some 257 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.190 well, and so some of the scriptures, and I was going to go 258 00:20:07.349 --> 00:20:12.390 to a little story in in the Bible that I think is really, really 259 00:20:12.509 --> 00:20:18.630 interesting, but you brought up our children innocent. Right to talk about innocence, 260 00:20:18.829 --> 00:20:25.099 that term is is is important, and so I did a word search 261 00:20:25.460 --> 00:20:29.900 of in the Bible of innocent children. I think was what I put in 262 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:33.420 in the search and I came up with many, many scriptures, so I'll 263 00:20:33.460 --> 00:20:34.579 just read them to you and maybe you can talk about them a little. 264 00:20:34.579 --> 00:20:38.529 Okay. And in proverb six, sixteen to seventeen, there are six things 265 00:20:38.609 --> 00:20:41.690 the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him, haughty eyes, 266 00:20:41.730 --> 00:20:48.730 a lying tongue and hands that shed innocent blood. So the word innocent is 267 00:20:48.769 --> 00:20:51.960 used, and we talked about this a little. Is that necessarily children? 268 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.240 Yeah, I mean not always right. Would rightly right? It could be 269 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:02.440 so innocent blood it. It's that innocent is applied as a term to someone 270 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:11.150 who has not committed the the act which someone has harmed them for committing. 271 00:21:11.349 --> 00:21:14.910 Right, they're innocent of what whatever. They don't know if it's in every 272 00:21:14.990 --> 00:21:18.900 instance. I think there are some instances where innocent, the word innocent, 273 00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:26.700 is implying to someone who's morally not tainted correct right by volitional decisions. But 274 00:21:26.740 --> 00:21:30.099 I think it could be a broader term just means that person's you know, 275 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:33.690 they're innocent. They didn't they? Why'd you hurt that is a person, 276 00:21:33.089 --> 00:21:37.650 right, you know. Okay. So in job two thirty there's a verse. 277 00:21:37.769 --> 00:21:42.490 He delivers even the one who is not innocent, who will be delivered 278 00:21:42.569 --> 00:21:47.920 through the cleanness of your hands. When he says he delivers, and that's 279 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.279 God delivers, even the one who is not innocent. Use It, because 280 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:57.119 he uses the word even. We know that. Then presumably there are those 281 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.430 who are innocent. Yeah, right, okay, so just keep that in 282 00:22:02.509 --> 00:22:06.190 the back of your mind. So they're there. There are innocent is used 283 00:22:06.230 --> 00:22:10.390 to describe someone. Yeah, at times in the Bible. Yeah, okay, 284 00:22:10.829 --> 00:22:18.619 here's one that is very important in terms of those who say that because 285 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:26.619 Adams send the baby there for or the UN and born have sinned because of 286 00:22:26.660 --> 00:22:30.890 the stain of original sin. Yeah, Ezekiel eighteen twenty, the soul who 287 00:22:32.089 --> 00:22:37.769 sins shall die. Yeah, okay. The son shall not suffer for the 288 00:22:37.849 --> 00:22:42.329 iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. 289 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.839 So yeah, I mean that scripture there is expect explicitly talking about this 290 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:53.200 idea of guilt. You know. I mean basically, you could read that 291 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:59.990 passage and say the son is not guilty because of the father's crime and the 292 00:23:00.109 --> 00:23:03.390 father is not guilty because of the son's crime. Right, each one the 293 00:23:03.470 --> 00:23:06.990 soul that sins, right, it's guilty. You know, it shall die, 294 00:23:07.190 --> 00:23:11.859 she'll suffer consequences. Yeah, so is the baby guilty before the baby 295 00:23:12.099 --> 00:23:18.460 has any opportunity or knowledge to be able to commit sin in the body? 296 00:23:18.460 --> 00:23:22.779 Yeah, and I just cannot see that. Biblically, had a baby, 297 00:23:22.900 --> 00:23:29.329 unborn child is is guilty of of sin? Right, and and yet, 298 00:23:29.410 --> 00:23:34.170 and of course I'm we're on the same page on this. Okay, Jesus 299 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:41.240 certainly speaks about children, yeah, in a very unique and really different and 300 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.799 loving way than he speaks of any other age group. Children, babies and 301 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:52.079 infants in Matthew, eighteen ten. See that you do not despise one of 302 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.670 these little ones, for I tell you that in heaven their angels always see 303 00:23:56.750 --> 00:24:00.670 the face of my father who is in heaven, and I know we talked 304 00:24:00.670 --> 00:24:03.750 about this a little. You said it's kind of like a difficult first yeah, 305 00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:07.910 you know, not not in the sense that Jesus is looking at little 306 00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:11.500 children as differently, as different than adults, but this whole idea of their 307 00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:15.980 angels. You know what, I don't get that, but but it's it's 308 00:24:15.259 --> 00:24:19.700 that don't despise these little ones. He doesn't say don't despise the adults. 309 00:24:19.940 --> 00:24:23.809 Right. Yeah, says don't despise the little ones and then gives the reason 310 00:24:23.849 --> 00:24:30.410 why he's treating little ones differently. Yeah, ones are different, unique can 311 00:24:30.609 --> 00:24:34.009 for whatever reason. Here's one that I really like. First, Corinthians, 312 00:24:34.049 --> 00:24:37.450 fourteen, twenty, brothers, do not be children. In your thinking, 313 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:44.799 be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. Yeah, why 314 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:51.039 does he tell us to be infants in evil? That makes you if infants 315 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:56.230 are evil. Yeah, and stands our evil. It makes no sense. 316 00:24:56.390 --> 00:24:59.069 I mean, and this is this is one of these instances, something I 317 00:24:59.109 --> 00:25:00.309 was going to say earlier is that, you know, we have to let 318 00:25:00.349 --> 00:25:04.269 the scripture define terms for us. We have to let the scripture give us 319 00:25:04.309 --> 00:25:08.259 explanations. We can't take, you know, whatever system of theology that we 320 00:25:10.299 --> 00:25:15.059 hold to or system with soteriology that we hold to, and interpose it or 321 00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:18.819 impose it on the scripture. That is, we have to see what the 322 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.809 Bible, as he sayst so some people can take this concept of original sin 323 00:25:22.890 --> 00:25:26.730 that they've been all and they understand in in order for their theological framework or 324 00:25:26.730 --> 00:25:30.849 whatever to work. Then this definition of original sin has to be the case, 325 00:25:32.289 --> 00:25:36.519 Ieye, that children in the womb are guilty of Adam sin. But 326 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.200 is that really what the Scripture teaches? Like? We can't let you know 327 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.759 whatever ideas we might have, whatever system we might hold to, and try 328 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.279 to stay consistent with that system and throw out the plane teaching of scripture. 329 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:52.230 And I think as we continue to go on through we'll see the plane teaching 330 00:25:52.309 --> 00:25:59.950 of scripture is that infants or view differently than adults. Right with, children 331 00:25:59.990 --> 00:26:04.059 are viewed differently than adults are. About the father by Jesus, by the 332 00:26:04.099 --> 00:26:07.140 Holy Spirit, has spelled out in his word, right, right. So, 333 00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:11.900 yeah, let's continue with that. Okay. So, Luke, eighteen, 334 00:26:11.059 --> 00:26:15.140 fifteen to seventeen, this is when they're bringing the children to Jesus. 335 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:19.089 Yeah, now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them, 336 00:26:19.329 --> 00:26:23.089 and when the disciples saw it they rebuked them. But Jesus called them 337 00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:29.210 to him, saying let the children come to me and do not hinder them, 338 00:26:29.650 --> 00:26:33.039 for to such belong the Kingdom of God. Yeah, truly, I 339 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.960 say to you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a child 340 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:44.279 shall not enter it. Yeah, so again, children are special. Jesus 341 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.150 wants the children to come to him. The children want to come to him 342 00:26:48.230 --> 00:26:55.869 and and he's even saying for to such be long the Kingdom of God. 343 00:26:56.150 --> 00:26:59.990 Yeah, that's Bett. That's a that's luke eighteen, duke eighteen, fifteen 344 00:27:00.029 --> 00:27:03.180 to seventeen. Yeah, before we mentioned Matthew Ten. What's that matter? 345 00:27:03.500 --> 00:27:07.539 Right, the Matthew Eighteen Ten meagic, Matthew, that you do not despise 346 00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:10.700 one of them before that. I don't know if you have that on the 347 00:27:10.900 --> 00:27:12.700 list of scriptures that you have. This is another important scripture. Okay, 348 00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:18.650 Matthew Eighteen, okay, in verse three it says, Surely, I say 349 00:27:18.690 --> 00:27:22.329 to you, unless you were converted and become as little children, you will 350 00:27:22.329 --> 00:27:25.329 by no means enter the Kingdom of yeah, that's pretty strong, isn't it? 351 00:27:25.369 --> 00:27:29.890 So it's like this, this requirement to even enter in the Kingdom of 352 00:27:29.970 --> 00:27:33.599 Heaven as you have to be converted and become as little children. And so 353 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.720 I think it's you know, this is a study for you guys that are 354 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.839 listening find out what that means. What does it mean to become like a 355 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.920 little child? Yeah, in the Bible, I think tall tells us, 356 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.430 you know, innocence. It talks of innocent innocence. Yeah, because being 357 00:27:48.150 --> 00:27:52.150 full of guile and deceit. You know, now here's here's something we had 358 00:27:52.150 --> 00:27:56.150 to understand, because we all will think, well, my kids are full 359 00:27:56.190 --> 00:27:59.380 of gall and to see. Yeah, they learned that. They certainly do, 360 00:28:00.140 --> 00:28:03.059 and they probably learned it from you, learn it from me, bad 361 00:28:03.059 --> 00:28:10.660 leg and from the world, and they certainly do have that propensity, like 362 00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:14.769 we said, like certainly believe the doctor original say, in the stain of 363 00:28:14.849 --> 00:28:18.609 sand, the flesh that we all have, that we all, you know, 364 00:28:18.809 --> 00:28:22.289 have to fight. Only by the grace and the power of God can 365 00:28:22.329 --> 00:28:26.329 we win that battle. Yeah, but it's again, it's a PROPENSI. 366 00:28:26.369 --> 00:28:30.759 It's like this genetic defect that we all have that's inescapable except for the intervention 367 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.480 of God, right through the power of the Holy Spirit and the proclamation of 368 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.000 the Gospel. All Right, all right, Matthew, hundred and twenty five, 369 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.759 I thank you, Father Lord of Heaven and Earth, that you've hidden 370 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:44.990 these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children. Yeah, 371 00:28:45.190 --> 00:28:52.829 again, little children are special, are different and and have knowledge, 372 00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:57.900 have knowledge of God, that that we adults apparently don't have. Your need 373 00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:03.500 or and I think it is that simple, innocent. Yeah, one of 374 00:29:03.539 --> 00:29:07.579 the things that speaks to and I believe in that passage in Matthew Chapter Eighteen, 375 00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:11.490 there may be another New Testament Cross reference there. But Jesus says, 376 00:29:11.490 --> 00:29:17.730 unless you humble yourself and become as little children, you cannot see the Kingdom 377 00:29:17.730 --> 00:29:19.609 of God. Yeah, yeah, I do have that here yet. What's 378 00:29:19.650 --> 00:29:23.400 good? It's so that is matthew eighteen, two to six. Whoever humbles 379 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.240 himself like this child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. Yeah, 380 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:33.640 whoever receives one such child in my name receives me. But whoever causes one 381 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.279 of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better 382 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.750 for him to have a great millstone fast around his neck. Yeah, and 383 00:29:40.910 --> 00:29:45.509 so this, this definition or this idea of of childlike faith, the war, 384 00:29:47.349 --> 00:29:52.230 childlike innocence, really has to do with that word humility. HMM. 385 00:29:52.470 --> 00:29:55.779 And if you think about the way that children are, this is one of 386 00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:57.859 the main points, the way that children are there they're dependent. So this 387 00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:02.420 is kind of like a free be here is not really focused on this subject 388 00:30:02.619 --> 00:30:04.180 per se, but it will help us all to understand that a child is 389 00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:10.049 dependent upon its parents, right, and we are dependent upon the Lord. 390 00:30:10.130 --> 00:30:15.490 We must humble ourselves and become as little children in innocence, like Paul says 391 00:30:15.690 --> 00:30:19.170 in that Romans passage. Become innocent, as you know, in that sense, 392 00:30:19.690 --> 00:30:25.279 but also humble that we need God. We need his totally despot were 393 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.319 typically depended on the end. And and why would? Why would God keep 394 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.440 referring over and over and over again? We must become like little children, 395 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.910 unless there was something about little children that was pleasing to God, and sin 396 00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:44.190 is not pleasing to God. Right. So this is another one where I 397 00:30:44.470 --> 00:30:49.259 think the word innocent is pretty directly applied to children. Jeremiah, nineteen, 398 00:30:49.420 --> 00:30:53.220 forty tow five, because the people have forsaken me and a profane to this 399 00:30:53.380 --> 00:30:57.500 place by making offreys offerings in it to other gods whom neither they, nor 400 00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.740 their fathers, nor the king of you to have known, and because they 401 00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:06.690 have filled this place with the blood of innocence. Yeah, and built the 402 00:31:06.730 --> 00:31:11.289 high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to 403 00:31:11.450 --> 00:31:15.690 bay, all, which I did not command or decree, nor did it 404 00:31:15.849 --> 00:31:19.759 come to mind. So the burning of their sons, those innocent children, 405 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:26.359 was Um just a god hadn't even it was so healing more yeah, not 406 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.000 even never would he have brought that to his mind, but it was something 407 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.549 that human beings, yeah, came up with. Yeah. And of course 408 00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:37.869 what's explicit there is that, of course, killing your sons and daughters and 409 00:31:38.269 --> 00:31:41.789 offering them to this false God was wicked in the in the side of the 410 00:31:41.869 --> 00:31:45.470 Lord, but also that these children were innocent. Right, he points that 411 00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:51.220 out in this passage. You have, you have filled this place with a 412 00:31:51.220 --> 00:31:55.740 blood of the innocence, of innocence, right, right, innocent children, 413 00:31:55.819 --> 00:31:59.579 children, yeah. So I think you can make a very strong case that. 414 00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:04.769 Well, not very strong maybe, but a strong case that certainly, 415 00:32:04.809 --> 00:32:07.970 that children are different, that Jesus perceives the differently, that they are always 416 00:32:08.049 --> 00:32:15.210 equated with, with innocence, yeah, and even called innocent. Yeah, 417 00:32:15.329 --> 00:32:22.480 time. So here's this interesting passage. Okay, there's this is going through 418 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:27.839 the biblical story of the Israelites Wandering through the Wilderness for forty years and, 419 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.349 as as you know, if you know that story, they grumbled, they 420 00:32:30.470 --> 00:32:35.990 send there. That's so much in that passage, or in that whole season 421 00:32:36.470 --> 00:32:39.869 of God's dealing with humanity. Right, and especially in Israel, that has 422 00:32:40.390 --> 00:32:45.700 I mean it's allegory really happened, but it's allegory for the spiritual walk in 423 00:32:45.700 --> 00:32:49.339 the spiritual life and, yes, salvation. I think that is so critically 424 00:32:49.460 --> 00:32:52.619 so can you point that out space speak a little bit about that, because 425 00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:54.740 that's look, I mean even just the deliverance from Egypt. You know what 426 00:32:54.980 --> 00:33:00.450 is Egypt symbolizes sin and the world. You Egypt at that time was quite 427 00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:05.450 possibly, I think, pretty pretty plainly seen in history. At that time 428 00:33:05.650 --> 00:33:08.809 was the most powerful nation on the face of the planet. Yeah, and 429 00:33:09.529 --> 00:33:13.799 you know, so symbolizes the world, the world system, and of course 430 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.160 we were all in sin and wrapped up in the world system. WHAT DOES 431 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:20.720 MOSES DO? He comes and tells the world system, let my people go, 432 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.400 you know, and comes and delivers his people. And even the Bible 433 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.509 tells us that the passing through the Red Sea was almost like a symbol of 434 00:33:27.630 --> 00:33:30.869 baptism for for us. As a matter of fact, in First Corinthians, 435 00:33:30.869 --> 00:33:37.549 Chapter Ten, it tells us that these things that happen happened as example to 436 00:33:37.670 --> 00:33:40.069 us. I'll read that real quick okay, that's a good and it says, 437 00:33:42.380 --> 00:33:45.700 and it's talking about Christ being the Rock and the Wilderness and the children 438 00:33:45.740 --> 00:33:49.900 of Israel drinking from the rocks is more of a brethern and do not want 439 00:33:49.900 --> 00:33:52.619 you to be unaware that all of our fathers were under the cloud at all, 440 00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:55.730 passed under the sea, talking about the Red Sea. All were baptizing 441 00:33:55.769 --> 00:34:00.170 the Moses in the cloud and in the seas. There's any just the word 442 00:34:00.210 --> 00:34:02.849 Baptiste. Exactly, okay. And all ate the same spiritual food, all 443 00:34:02.849 --> 00:34:07.450 drink the same spiritual drink, for they drank from the spiritual rock that followed 444 00:34:07.490 --> 00:34:09.960 them. That rock was Christ. So this is a symbol, this rock 445 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.519 that you know Moses. This rock opened up and they drank from it. 446 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.320 He's telling us that symbol Christ, that was symbolic of Christ. Somebody may 447 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.920 make the argument that that was Christ following them around in the Wilderness. We 448 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.789 won't go there, but you say, but with most of them God was 449 00:34:24.829 --> 00:34:28.949 not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the Wilderness. All these 450 00:34:29.030 --> 00:34:30.389 things. This is the verse ills really want to point out. For Six 451 00:34:30.550 --> 00:34:35.110 of First Corinthians, chapter ten. Now all these things became our examples to 452 00:34:35.190 --> 00:34:38.019 the intent that we should not lust after the evil things as they also lusted. 453 00:34:38.139 --> 00:34:42.099 So these things are our examples. So even though they really happen. 454 00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:46.179 There's a lot of spiritual depth and allegory to that. Even in entering into 455 00:34:46.179 --> 00:34:50.579 the promised land and crossing the Jordan. We have songs that we talk about 456 00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:53.690 crossing the Jordan, entering the promised land, this wondrous relationship with God. 457 00:34:53.969 --> 00:34:58.730 Wondering in the Wilderness. Is is a picture. A lot of Christians are 458 00:34:58.849 --> 00:35:01.449 wondering in the Wilderness. They've been delivered from Egypt, but they're wondering in 459 00:35:01.530 --> 00:35:06.570 the Wilderness. They're grumbling and they're complaining and they won't reach fully what God 460 00:35:06.690 --> 00:35:08.559 wants them to reach. They won't reach promised land. They would so anyway. 461 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.920 Yeah, there's a lot there. There's a lot I could dig out 462 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.719 and we can't go there. Maybe for another time, but it's sort of 463 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.400 sets it up for what what you're going to share. Yeah, which is 464 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:22.949 so interesting. In Deuteronomy one hundred and thirty five, it says God is 465 00:35:23.429 --> 00:35:28.750 saying now, not one of these men, this evil generation, they're on 466 00:35:28.750 --> 00:35:30.630 the cusps by the way of entering the promised land. Yeah, when God 467 00:35:30.909 --> 00:35:35.190 speaks to them, not one of these men, this evil generation, shall 468 00:35:35.230 --> 00:35:38.860 see the good land which I swore to give to your father's so they've wandered 469 00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:45.860 forty years, they have sinned, and now they are not to enter God's 470 00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:50.170 promised land. Yeah, but, and this is the really interesting part, 471 00:35:50.250 --> 00:35:52.969 and do to Ronomy, one hundred and thirty nine, it says, moreover, 472 00:35:53.369 --> 00:35:59.489 your little ones, who you said would become prey, and your sons, 473 00:35:59.849 --> 00:36:04.559 who this day have no knowledge of good and evil, shall enter there 474 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.199 and I will give it to them and they shall possess it. Yes, 475 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:17.710 so look at this. God Exempts Children and Infants from that punishment. Yeah, 476 00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:23.030 from not, from not and chering his presence. Yeah, Promised Land, 477 00:36:23.150 --> 00:36:27.989 they are exempted. And why? Well, he tells them. That's 478 00:36:28.030 --> 00:36:30.469 a good question. Als Us why, and God never tells us why. 479 00:36:31.110 --> 00:36:36.139 Well, he does sometimes, sometimes it's rare. It is this tell he 480 00:36:36.219 --> 00:36:39.340 often tells us how and who, but he doesn't often tell us why. 481 00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:46.019 But he does here. He says who this day have no knowledge of good 482 00:36:46.329 --> 00:36:52.929 and evil. Yeah, so they they can't make a decision. They weren't 483 00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:58.250 able to grumble in sin like their elders. Yeah, they didn't. They 484 00:36:58.329 --> 00:37:01.599 had not reached an age of moral reckoning, of moral reasoning yet, and 485 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:07.239 therefore, basically, he gives him a pass. Yeah, he extends grace. 486 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:09.559 I've heard people say, well, the blood of Jesus is required for 487 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.480 all tender heaven. Jesus does say I am the way, the truth of 488 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.750 the life. Well, HOW DO WE ENTER TO HEAVEN? It's through His 489 00:37:19.150 --> 00:37:23.550 grace and through his mercy, and he appears to the blood of Christ and 490 00:37:23.750 --> 00:37:30.659 through the blood of Christ, and he appears to have extended that atoning blood, 491 00:37:30.139 --> 00:37:34.739 is His grace and his mercy, to these children, or they wouldn't 492 00:37:34.739 --> 00:37:38.219 be entering the promised land either. And it's clearly only the children, the 493 00:37:38.380 --> 00:37:44.849 children and the infants, and then Caliban, who were the two? And 494 00:37:45.090 --> 00:37:50.849 and they will and Joshua, yeah, where the only the only adults that 495 00:37:50.929 --> 00:37:53.809 I you know, didn't grubble, who had a different speed? Yeah, 496 00:37:53.969 --> 00:38:01.599 they had a different spirit. So this also then kind of segues into a 497 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:07.519 really important point in thinking about. DO BABIES GO TO HEAVEN? And we've 498 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:15.230 been mentioning it, but do they have the are they accountable right for for 499 00:38:15.389 --> 00:38:20.150 sin? Yeah, did. Can They be accountable for sin? And this 500 00:38:20.590 --> 00:38:22.230 I got this and I want to just read it because it's a I think 501 00:38:22.269 --> 00:38:28.019 it's a good passage. It's from back to the Bible article from February, 502 00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:30.739 two thousand and nineteen, and the title of that article is is my child 503 00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:36.420 in heaven? Yeah, and I really liked it. So some people say 504 00:38:36.460 --> 00:38:39.659 that there's an age when children become accountable for their actions, but the Bible 505 00:38:39.860 --> 00:38:45.769 does not mention an age of accountability. Children are culpable for sin when they 506 00:38:45.889 --> 00:38:51.010 draw their first breath, but they are they accountable at that moment as well? 507 00:38:51.329 --> 00:38:55.559 I don't think so. We must make a distinction between culpability, which 508 00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:01.599 is liability for their sin nature, and accountability, which is liability for their 509 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:07.119 sinful actions. Is A has said, for before the child shall know how 510 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.230 to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will 511 00:39:10.230 --> 00:39:15.030 be forsaken by both her kings. That's as a sixteen. Yeah, so 512 00:39:15.510 --> 00:39:20.590 it is evident that little children do not have the ability to make moral decisions 513 00:39:20.670 --> 00:39:24.980 and to take responsibility for their sins. Still, they are sinners and need 514 00:39:25.019 --> 00:39:30.059 a savior. Perhaps the age of accountability should be called the age of moral 515 00:39:30.099 --> 00:39:36.059 awareness. Children come to a point when they are morally aware, that is, 516 00:39:36.139 --> 00:39:40.050 they understand what's what's right and what's wrong. But if they die before 517 00:39:40.130 --> 00:39:45.409 that age, are they morally responsible and this author says. No. Yeah, 518 00:39:45.489 --> 00:39:46.530 I know, how could they be? Yeah, yeah, I know. 519 00:39:46.610 --> 00:39:52.440 I listened or watched a little snippet on YouTube. It was about todd 520 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:58.119 for you. Sure some people have heard of him. Okay, and he's 521 00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.079 talking about this and he's saying age of accountability, and which I agree, 522 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:06.639 is not a biblical right, certainly not a biblical phrase. Is it a 523 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.309 biblical concept? I don't even know that it's a biblical concept because we don't 524 00:40:09.349 --> 00:40:15.070 see any AIDS at the Bible tells us to this age you become accountable before 525 00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:17.829 God them for your sin. And so he argued that it shouldn't be age 526 00:40:17.829 --> 00:40:21.780 of accountability that we're talking about, it should be level of accountability, like 527 00:40:21.860 --> 00:40:25.179 you get to a certain level of accountability, right, because of mentally deficient. 528 00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:29.579 He is exactly any have somebody who's, you know, two, twenty 529 00:40:29.619 --> 00:40:32.380 five years old, and I mean you have a nephew right who's has down 530 00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:37.690 syndrome. Right, he's old, he's thirty, maybe thirty three now. 531 00:40:37.889 --> 00:40:40.449 But you know, you might say, has you mentality or whatever of you 532 00:40:40.530 --> 00:40:45.329 know, ten year old or something. Yeah, and so obviously age can't 533 00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:49.409 be our marker. It's not biblical and it just not practical right. But 534 00:40:49.530 --> 00:40:53.440 there is a level of accountability and it can be different for every you know, 535 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.920 I know personally for my kids that their kids. We have eight kids 536 00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.440 and there's some of my kids who, at, you know, five years 537 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:06.309 old, understood sin, understood their their guilt, of their sin, and 538 00:41:06.909 --> 00:41:09.949 God was dealing with them and they came to the Lord because of their knowledge 539 00:41:09.949 --> 00:41:14.309 of Sin and their knowledge that Jesus died to pay the penalty for their sin. 540 00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:19.099 And some of my kids, are twins who are just turned nine years 541 00:41:19.099 --> 00:41:22.659 old, really didn't, I'm telling you, just didn't understand the concept of 542 00:41:22.900 --> 00:41:27.699 sin. I mean just the idea they got. Don't do wrong stuff, 543 00:41:28.219 --> 00:41:32.929 but really they're guilt until this past year and then God graciously brought them both 544 00:41:34.329 --> 00:41:37.210 to himself, you, through the conviction of their sin and the course, 545 00:41:37.250 --> 00:41:40.210 me laying out the Gospel for him. But they really didn't have a knowledge 546 00:41:40.210 --> 00:41:46.480 of in any kind of, I guess, solid way until they were eight 547 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:51.039 years old. Yeah, so, yeah, and you know in in that 548 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:52.920 that is a a verse. I don't have it in front of me right 549 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:58.679 at this moment, but where he says the the ability to choose good before 550 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:04.070 the child could choose good and reject evil. Well, that's the prophecy about 551 00:42:04.070 --> 00:42:07.670 Jesus, right. Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, yeah, 552 00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:12.349 I think I think it was that. Yeah, find good. Yeah, 553 00:42:12.469 --> 00:42:15.380 a seven hundred and sixteen. Yeah, so before the child child know 554 00:42:15.619 --> 00:42:20.900 how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread 555 00:42:20.980 --> 00:42:24.019 will be forsaken by both her kings. So, yeah, and can you 556 00:42:24.460 --> 00:42:35.210 sin if you cannot understand how, or even that you it is possible to 557 00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:39.530 refuse evil or choose good? Yeah, can. Can you be held accountable 558 00:42:39.690 --> 00:42:44.719 for Sin? And I would say no, and I think the Bible points 559 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:49.559 out no. Yeah, okay, so this is a very common story used 560 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:54.760 in talking about this issue. Is the issue of David Son. Yeah, 561 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.869 and yeah, I mean I think when we're talking about you know, when 562 00:42:58.909 --> 00:43:01.630 I've talked to people about do infants, to unborn children go to heaven, 563 00:43:02.230 --> 00:43:06.110 this is a scripture that I'll go right to, right and it could be 564 00:43:06.590 --> 00:43:08.949 you know, some some folks called the law first mentions, like the first 565 00:43:08.989 --> 00:43:14.460 mention of something in the Bible kind of establishes, I guess, the foundation 566 00:43:14.659 --> 00:43:17.619 for that subject. Yeah, and I think this is the first mention of 567 00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:22.619 of guess in this sense an infant dying, write, an infant in the 568 00:43:22.659 --> 00:43:25.659 children of Israel and the Covenant that God had made with Israel. Yeah, 569 00:43:25.659 --> 00:43:29.690 my biblical knowledge is not good enough to say, but I'll trust you it 570 00:43:30.010 --> 00:43:31.809 is that. It's okay. So it's second Samuel, twelve, fifteen to 571 00:43:32.010 --> 00:43:36.170 twenty three, and I'm not going to read through it unless you want to. 572 00:43:36.530 --> 00:43:38.690 We don't have to. Most people probably know this. But but kind 573 00:43:38.690 --> 00:43:43.039 of in summary, maybe maybe you want to summarize it. So how? 574 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:45.599 What? How savid responding? Well, was kind of set up the story 575 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.599 and how David was yeah, well, of course you know David, you 576 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:53.719 know, had sinned with Bath Sheba and and then in the course of things, 577 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:57.750 God obviously exposed his sin. We don't know about David Sin. How 578 00:43:57.789 --> 00:44:01.670 God exposes yeah, and then Bathsheba, you know, summarizing, Bathsheba ends 579 00:44:01.710 --> 00:44:06.909 up pregnant, you know, and and they find out that the child that 580 00:44:06.989 --> 00:44:10.219 she ultimately delivers has some sort of sickness. I don't think we even have. 581 00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:14.059 We don't understand what that is, but it looks like he's going to 582 00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:16.619 die. Yeah, and so David begins to fast and pray before the Lord. 583 00:44:16.659 --> 00:44:21.900 David knew that he sinned and he would repent it. Psalm fifty one 584 00:44:22.059 --> 00:44:23.809 is David, Psalm of repentance before the Lord. It's you, and you 585 00:44:23.849 --> 00:44:27.289 alone, have a sin and done what is evil in your sight. Is 586 00:44:27.369 --> 00:44:31.210 what he says. This apparently happens sometime after that. If Day sin was 587 00:44:31.250 --> 00:44:36.449 exposing all that see away. David's fasting and crying out to God, and 588 00:44:36.610 --> 00:44:39.519 then he sees, and I'm paraphrasing, so don't quote me on this exactly, 589 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.599 but he sees the his servants over to the side. They're talking among 590 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:47.280 themselves and he perceives it. Okay, so the child is already dead. 591 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.960 You know, I'm fasting, I'm praying, I'm pouring myself out in supplication, 592 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.829 hoping that God will have mercy. But apparently that the child still died. 593 00:44:57.429 --> 00:45:00.070 And when the child died, he got up and he ate and he 594 00:45:00.750 --> 00:45:04.789 anointing himself with oil and the servants ask him, why were you weeping when 595 00:45:04.789 --> 00:45:07.500 you thought he was going to die and now you're like everything's okay, when 596 00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:14.219 he actually is dead? And David says, listen, I know that God 597 00:45:15.219 --> 00:45:19.780 has received him. I know that where he is, I cannot I can't 598 00:45:19.780 --> 00:45:22.050 go to him right now, or he says he won't come to me as 599 00:45:22.050 --> 00:45:22.929 what he says. He will come to me, but I will go to 600 00:45:23.010 --> 00:45:25.489 him. So, yeah, what's implied there is he's gone on to be 601 00:45:25.610 --> 00:45:29.489 with the Lord, right, and I'll be with him one day. Yeah. 602 00:45:29.570 --> 00:45:31.489 Yeah, and he says, I have that first written down. Since 603 00:45:31.530 --> 00:45:35.719 he has died, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? 604 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.159 I shall go to him, but he will not return to him. 605 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:43.400 Yeah, but you know, there's really no other way to explain that other 606 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.079 than to say David's talking about the afterlife. Yeah, and and he's going 607 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:51.110 to go to him eventually. When he did? Yes, yeah, and 608 00:45:51.869 --> 00:45:55.269 and there's a sense of hope in and this this change in in how he 609 00:45:55.909 --> 00:45:59.750 how he is acting. Yeah, before the Sun Dies and after the sun 610 00:45:59.829 --> 00:46:05.739 dies it changes from this grieving weeping, crying out to God lamenting, fasting 611 00:46:06.820 --> 00:46:12.780 to he washes up, he stops fasting. He he stops. I'm sure 612 00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:15.340 he mourns to some degree, but there's a hopefulness that that he is going 613 00:46:15.380 --> 00:46:19.369 to go to this sun. Yeah, and he year was what. I 614 00:46:19.489 --> 00:46:24.090 had heard of that before, but I had never really contrasted that with David 615 00:46:24.610 --> 00:46:30.849 reaction and actions following the death of another son. Absolutely absolom, and that 616 00:46:31.170 --> 00:46:37.519 versus strange, I think important contrast it is. So look at Second Samuel 617 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:42.679 Nineteen. Yeah, wonderful. And and do you know just a little bit 618 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:49.429 of background? So Absalom is clearly rebelling against learn and against tipify. Absolutely 619 00:46:49.590 --> 00:46:54.750 he's an and he gets killed. David soldiers kill him and and they come 620 00:46:54.829 --> 00:47:01.019 and tell David and David is just grief stricken. Yeah, so did you 621 00:47:01.059 --> 00:47:06.900 find that? Yeah, the verse Thirty Three. Second Samuel Eighteen. Okay, 622 00:47:07.099 --> 00:47:09.139 Verse Thirty Three. Then the king was deeply moved and went up into 623 00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:13.460 the chamber over the gate and wept and as he went he said this, 624 00:47:14.500 --> 00:47:16.849 Oh my son, absalom, my son, my son, if only I 625 00:47:17.010 --> 00:47:20.889 had died in your place. So, absolom, my son, my son. 626 00:47:21.329 --> 00:47:23.010 And then the commander of his army basically rebukes them and says, Hey, 627 00:47:23.210 --> 00:47:27.369 these men fault for you, against Absalom, because maybe absong was trying 628 00:47:27.409 --> 00:47:31.599 to kill you, and now you're weeping over him. And Likely David lost 629 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:35.039 men in this battle. Could have lost men, these men, but their 630 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.800 life on the line and you're weeping over your your enemy son, your rebel 631 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.000 son. Right of course you know David. This is what astounds me about 632 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.230 David. Even though he sinned in the way that he did, this man 633 00:47:46.429 --> 00:47:50.349 was after the heart of God. God even says, and this is after 634 00:47:50.429 --> 00:47:52.869 David Sin God says, this is a man after my own heart. He 635 00:47:52.989 --> 00:47:58.190 understood some things about God, I've said in the past and preaching about David. 636 00:47:58.230 --> 00:48:01.500 David was a new covenant man in an Old Covenant World. Like he 637 00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:07.139 understood things about the new covenant that many Christians don't even understand and about God's 638 00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:10.260 dealings with humanity and grace and all of that. And yet this man, 639 00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:15.650 of course, is broken over this son, Absalom, and I think the 640 00:48:15.809 --> 00:48:17.130 point which you're trying to make, it I'm going to help you make, 641 00:48:17.530 --> 00:48:21.730 is that though he was broken over his son, who was an infant, 642 00:48:21.769 --> 00:48:24.090 who was sick, it was a child, he was encouraged, or not 643 00:48:24.170 --> 00:48:27.760 encourage. I'll say he was. He was he had hoped, there was 644 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.039 hope for that child and he said he's going to go to the sun. 645 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:35.639 He talks about the afterlife. Yeah, with with a promise and hope. 646 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:40.079 Look at what he says. It's like this is a hopeless just desperation before 647 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:45.389 God. Only I had died instead of you. Why would he say that? 648 00:48:45.550 --> 00:48:49.670 If he thought Absalom was in a better place, he wouldn't have. 649 00:48:51.030 --> 00:48:57.019 But so he clearly appears to believe his son, his infant son, has 650 00:48:57.099 --> 00:48:59.940 passed on to be with God, in a better place and he will go 651 00:49:00.219 --> 00:49:05.340 to him. Absalom, not so much. APSALAM appears to have been condemned 652 00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:10.570 through through what he has done. So okay, so connus, since since 653 00:49:10.650 --> 00:49:16.690 we've I think we've kind of gotten through the main point. Yeah, I 654 00:49:16.809 --> 00:49:22.969 think and I hope that we've made at least beginning arguments. Your people, 655 00:49:22.050 --> 00:49:29.400 that sir, to believe that that babies are going to heaven. And but 656 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.360 there are some of some people may be listening to us, who have had 657 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:40.469 an abortion, yeah, or miscarriage, and but specifically for those who have 658 00:49:40.590 --> 00:49:47.469 had an abortion and as they may be suffering some too responses, some may 659 00:49:47.510 --> 00:49:52.309 be suffering guilt, and we just want to make sure. We've said it 660 00:49:52.429 --> 00:49:55.219 before, but to know hope and healing a weight, but it doesn't await 661 00:49:55.340 --> 00:50:00.179 by concealing your sin, and I I'm just going to quote a verse from 662 00:50:00.219 --> 00:50:06.500 Proverbs Thirteen. Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who 663 00:50:06.579 --> 00:50:13.610 confesses and renounces them finds mercy and in Ix Nineteen, repent, then turn 664 00:50:13.730 --> 00:50:16.889 to God so that your sins may be wiped out the Times of refreshing may 665 00:50:16.969 --> 00:50:22.280 come from the Lord. So there is hope and healing in the confessionist. 666 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.559 Yeah, in one sense, which is something I did want to mention and 667 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.119 I know you wanted to mention too, is that you this idea, you 668 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.880 know, from the pro choice. You accusation side of these babies are going 669 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:36.030 to heaven. Then what are you doing? Well, just simply, I 670 00:50:36.190 --> 00:50:38.230 believe. You know, I believe my wife is going to heaven. I'm 671 00:50:38.230 --> 00:50:42.829 not going to let someone kill her. Right. You know, just because 672 00:50:42.869 --> 00:50:45.630 someone's going to heaven doesn't mean it's okay to kill them. Right. You 673 00:50:45.710 --> 00:50:47.469 don't violate then, you don't this command. Man. Yes, that's an 674 00:50:47.710 --> 00:50:51.940 and you don't violate God's command to protect the innocent, right, right. 675 00:50:51.940 --> 00:50:54.460 So, if we have this principle in the scripture that we should protect those 676 00:50:54.500 --> 00:50:57.820 who are innocent, whether they're going to heaven or not, that's, yeah, 677 00:50:57.980 --> 00:51:01.059 sort of a ridiculous notion and it's just it's a real twisted accusation. 678 00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:07.449 Yeah, anyway. But also this this idea that, because it can be 679 00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:12.969 perverted into say, you know, I've heard it from women going into abortion 680 00:51:13.050 --> 00:51:15.650 clinics. Well, this baby's going to heaven anyway. Yeah, and it 681 00:51:15.730 --> 00:51:20.199 becomes a rational becomes a rationalization, and we certainly don't want to fall prey 682 00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.840 to any kind of rationalization or give creed as to any kind of rationalizations like 683 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.639 that. Right, but we do have to be consistent with scripture and it 684 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:34.030 can you imagine what a woman who who comes to the Lord who's had an 685 00:51:34.070 --> 00:51:39.030 abortion would be dealing with in her mind if she thought that it's possible that 686 00:51:39.110 --> 00:51:44.869 she sent her baby to hell by having an abortion? Yeah, yeah, 687 00:51:45.510 --> 00:51:49.739 that would just that could be a comforting thing at all. Right, but 688 00:51:49.900 --> 00:51:52.699 it's also and again it's not emotion, it's believe, it's scripturally just completely 689 00:51:52.780 --> 00:51:57.500 debond. The God's not putting that child into hell. Yeah, God's child 690 00:51:57.579 --> 00:52:01.010 is gone to heaven. Yeah, and because he's merciful, shall not the 691 00:52:01.050 --> 00:52:05.010 judge of all the earth. Yeah. Right. And something that occurred to 692 00:52:05.050 --> 00:52:09.809 me as I was thinking about this about how to counsel abortion minded women believing, 693 00:52:09.889 --> 00:52:14.929 as I do, that their babies will go to heaven is yeah, 694 00:52:14.969 --> 00:52:19.480 that baby will be in heaven, but maybe you won't hear about to commit 695 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.280 murder. Yeah, and and so you know, we are and and actually 696 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:29.320 there's a verse that really Romans six one. Maybe we send so that grace 697 00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.869 should abound. God Forbid, may it never be. Yeah, we don't 698 00:52:32.150 --> 00:52:36.469 sin so that God's grace can be poured out on those babies. Yeah, 699 00:52:36.590 --> 00:52:39.829 and, and I think that is a concept throughout script surely so, God 700 00:52:39.909 --> 00:52:45.659 will forgive, but we do not presume on his forgiveness and we don't sin, 701 00:52:45.300 --> 00:52:51.059 presuming upon His mercy, grace and forgiveness. Yeah. So, yeah, 702 00:52:51.260 --> 00:52:53.019 well, you know, we've gone through a lot of scripture. We 703 00:52:53.099 --> 00:52:57.340 have, and so no one can accuse us of not having having done our 704 00:52:57.340 --> 00:53:00.409 due diligence and going through the scripture. But what do you guys think? 705 00:53:00.449 --> 00:53:02.530 I mean, certainly I'd love to hear from those who have a different opinion. 706 00:53:04.610 --> 00:53:07.130 Maybe they'll have on a podcast. Yeah, I would love to have 707 00:53:07.250 --> 00:53:12.010 someone on a podcast he believes that that unborn aboarded children go to hale, 708 00:53:12.050 --> 00:53:14.800 or at least potentially good ale, and like to talk through that. Yeah, 709 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.280 certainly don't understand that. That that idea and I don't see it Biblically, 710 00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.559 but I certainly like to talk to anybody had that, that persuasion or 711 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.679 just maybe there's some things that we didn't consider, because I believe that any 712 00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:30.550 subject that we crack up in our Bible and look into has theological and practical 713 00:53:30.630 --> 00:53:35.110 implications. What are some of the theological and practical and practical implications that were 714 00:53:35.150 --> 00:53:37.550 missing maybe in the subject? What are some of the ones that we touched 715 00:53:37.630 --> 00:53:39.269 on that you really appreciate it? You want to hear from you, you 716 00:53:39.349 --> 00:53:43.139 know. Certainly you can shoot me an email. D Parks at cities for 717 00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:46.980 LIFECOM, cities in the number four lifecom, Vicky v Kassi, org at 718 00:53:47.059 --> 00:53:51.460 cities for lifecom. We can reach out to us. I'm on Facebook, 719 00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:55.690 she's on facebook and you can reach us through a website. Again, we 720 00:53:55.730 --> 00:54:00.250 encourage you guys, as we always do, to good our sidewalks for life 721 00:54:00.170 --> 00:54:07.210 website, www dot sidewalks and number four lifecom with some sidewalk counseling training information 722 00:54:07.690 --> 00:54:09.119 and we may put an article out there. You talked about putting an arc 723 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:14.480 about this, at least to encourage sidewalk counselors, and you know, so 724 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.039 maybe we'll put an on our site, lost for life site. And yeah, 725 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:21.280 maybe, if I think of it, will link this, this podcast 726 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.389 that that'd be good. But but we appreciate all those who listen and when 727 00:54:24.429 --> 00:54:29.510 we hope that you guys are blessed as you listen and we'll we'll talk to 728 00:54:29.550 --> 00:54:45.019 you later. Give for love, give me our love for gratitude. I 729 00:54:45.340 --> 00:54:54.730 know it will cost me my love. Nothing's too precious in some you