June 10, 2021

Dealing With Other Prolife Groups

Dealing With Other Prolife Groups

In your ministry at the abortion center, you will inevitably encounter other groups and individuals who are standing for life but aren’t necessarily associated with you. Some of those folks are great and some are a pain. Join us as we talk about how...


In your ministry at the abortion center, you will inevitably encounter other groups and individuals who are standing for life but aren’t necessarily associated with you. Some of those folks are great and some are a pain. Join us as we talk about how to deal with this from a Biblical perspective.

https://sidewalks4life.com/relating-to-other-pro-life-groups/

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.559 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me. Welcome 2 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:10.070 to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We are out on the sidewalk doing 3 00:00:10.150 --> 00:00:13.509 ministry at the local abortion center. There could be other pro life groups out 4 00:00:13.550 --> 00:00:15.910 there. There are, maybe not with you. Some of those groups can 5 00:00:15.910 --> 00:00:18.829 be helpful, some of those groups can be not so helpful. We're going 6 00:00:18.870 --> 00:00:24.379 to talk about how to deal with that. Biblical stay tuned. I felt 7 00:00:24.780 --> 00:00:37.090 show passish, touch your heart, use me. Welcome to the Gospel Center 8 00:00:37.170 --> 00:00:40.969 pro life podcast. We're going to continue to do some training in this episode 9 00:00:41.530 --> 00:00:46.530 and I think this will be less like principles, well, be principles for 10 00:00:46.649 --> 00:00:51.600 training, but less of like here's what you do, kind of like practical 11 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:55.240 stuff, more relational stuff, I guess I can't. Yes, yes, 12 00:00:55.719 --> 00:01:00.359 and really centered around relating to other pro life groups and in particular, out 13 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.109 on the sidewalk. What we're talking about. That's typically the context which we're 14 00:01:04.150 --> 00:01:08.510 speaking to, and so we're going to talk about that. We're going to 15 00:01:08.549 --> 00:01:14.269 talk about the fact that there's there's a lot of abortion centers. Just say 16 00:01:14.349 --> 00:01:18.700 right off bat that don't have a Christian witness there at all. I don't 17 00:01:18.700 --> 00:01:21.420 no one out on the sidewalk. Yeah, all right. However, there 18 00:01:21.420 --> 00:01:23.379 are a lot of abortion centers where there is some kind of Christian witness. 19 00:01:23.540 --> 00:01:26.579 Maybe it's just people out there praying. Well, I see just people out 20 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:29.859 there praying, because it's some sportant that people are there praying. But maybe 21 00:01:30.099 --> 00:01:33.849 about there that are praying, maybe there's some other folks that are out there 22 00:01:33.969 --> 00:01:38.370 reaching out in some capacity or whatever. Yeah, and you know in your 23 00:01:38.489 --> 00:01:41.930 city, wherever you're listening from your kind of brand new to this and you 24 00:01:42.010 --> 00:01:45.090 showed up out there and it's like, how do you? How do you 25 00:01:45.209 --> 00:01:48.280 relate to these other people? Because you have a call from the Lord to 26 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.480 do ministry on the sidewalk. You really feel burden to do it. But 27 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.799 there's other groups out there that you're not necessarily associated with. HMM, maybe 28 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:00.319 you don't feel called to be associated with them. And so how do you? 29 00:02:00.469 --> 00:02:04.150 How do you deal with that? Maybe you've been out there for a 30 00:02:04.189 --> 00:02:07.830 long time. This is this is something that I've deal with being out there 31 00:02:07.830 --> 00:02:12.229 for a long time, and new folks come along, new groups come along, 32 00:02:12.310 --> 00:02:15.180 individuals come along that are not necessarily part of my group. How do 33 00:02:15.259 --> 00:02:19.340 I deal with that? Right, how do we view that? Situation, 34 00:02:20.099 --> 00:02:23.539 and I can just say from from my perspective there's times when people have come 35 00:02:23.580 --> 00:02:28.020 out that are not necessarily, again, part of our group that rub me 36 00:02:28.060 --> 00:02:30.490 the wrong way. Yeah, I don't really want being out there. Yeah, 37 00:02:31.009 --> 00:02:35.009 and are even, in your opinion, do damage sometimes, Mary be 38 00:02:35.289 --> 00:02:38.169 yeah, and you know, one of the things that I'll say, though, 39 00:02:38.330 --> 00:02:40.729 is if folks do come along and it's just that I don't want them 40 00:02:40.770 --> 00:02:44.560 out there, I got to check my own heart, that's for sure. 41 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:52.960 Yeah, because people that are not necessarily part of my group or whatever can 42 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.800 still be called to be on the sidewalk. Right, just because I have 43 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:01.310 a particular way of doing things and I'm part of love life and someone else 44 00:03:01.310 --> 00:03:05.949 that comes along as not a part of love life doesn't necessarily mean that they're 45 00:03:06.069 --> 00:03:08.069 they're wrong and they shouldn't be out there. Right. Yeah, they have 46 00:03:08.110 --> 00:03:10.789 a word right first day. Have every right to be out there. Yeah, 47 00:03:12.189 --> 00:03:14.860 and that's kind of one of our first principles here. You got to 48 00:03:14.900 --> 00:03:17.659 learn, yeah, that sidewalk doesn't belong to you. Yeah, much as 49 00:03:17.699 --> 00:03:22.419 you want it to. Yeah, at times all faded, man, I'd 50 00:03:22.460 --> 00:03:24.219 love to just take ownership of it and say you can't be here you can 51 00:03:24.379 --> 00:03:28.770 be here you can't, but we'd be destroying our own right to be there 52 00:03:28.889 --> 00:03:32.050 if we if we had that attitude, then we are saying my First Amendment 53 00:03:32.129 --> 00:03:37.449 right counts, yours doesn't. Yeah, yeah, my call is important, 54 00:03:37.490 --> 00:03:39.569 but yours is not right. Right. I think we have to acknowledge first 55 00:03:39.569 --> 00:03:46.120 and foremost that public property. Now, of course, if, like we 56 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.759 do own property next door to the abortion center. Hey, here on the 57 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:54.080 trobe drive, and we can say certain people can't be on there, certain 58 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:58.990 people can. We don't really, I mean we don't let the pro board 59 00:03:59.150 --> 00:04:02.990 people on there, but we kind of divving out what believers can be there. 60 00:04:03.069 --> 00:04:06.310 What you know, probably life people can be there, unless you know 61 00:04:06.389 --> 00:04:10.180 they get that a line. Stuff like that. We can. But reality 62 00:04:10.259 --> 00:04:13.259 is and we're at the abortion center, we're on the public sidewalk in front 63 00:04:13.259 --> 00:04:15.339 of the abortion center. It doesn't belong to us, all right, it 64 00:04:15.459 --> 00:04:20.980 is public property. Yeah, although I will say I would encourage you guys, 65 00:04:23.819 --> 00:04:26.689 if you believe really that the Lord is called you to this ministry, 66 00:04:27.250 --> 00:04:32.449 that you need to take ownership of that sidewalk in the sense that it's not 67 00:04:32.730 --> 00:04:38.089 just who cares who's here. We should be concerned about WHO's there. If 68 00:04:38.089 --> 00:04:42.879 they're people there that are dishonoring the Lord, doing things that dishonored Jesus, 69 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:45.959 then I think we need to have a concern, but at the end of 70 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.319 the day we can't run them off. That's but I do think that we 71 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.360 can take authority over the atmosphere. Yeah, and so I'll give you an 72 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:57.269 example what I'm talking about. One of our brothers in southern California who reaches 73 00:04:57.310 --> 00:05:00.230 out of the Plant parenthood there has been reaching out for a couple of months. 74 00:05:00.269 --> 00:05:04.550 There's been a group there, I think for a couple of years, 75 00:05:04.550 --> 00:05:08.740 smaller group, but it's growing and it's growing and God's doing some amazing things 76 00:05:08.779 --> 00:05:13.860 there, and so they're they're consistently reaching out. And then this group couple 77 00:05:13.899 --> 00:05:16.980 of months ago showed up and they were kind of like, I don't know, 78 00:05:17.420 --> 00:05:19.899 I almost like Westboro Baptist Church people. Don't know if you know what 79 00:05:19.939 --> 00:05:26.129 they I know that that there's some issues with maybe them being a little condemning, 80 00:05:26.970 --> 00:05:30.769 not just that they were actually coming against the sidewalk. So it was 81 00:05:30.970 --> 00:05:33.290 wasn't just that they were being, you know, overly condemning or judge or 82 00:05:33.329 --> 00:05:36.639 whatever the people going into the abortion center. I mean they were calling them 83 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.720 hors and things like that. Okay, well, so that's not good, 84 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:45.680 but even more, yeah, exactly, but even toward the the Christians that 85 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.519 were right there. Yes, they were telling them that they're ungodly because they're 86 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:51.509 not calling the women horrors and all this other stuff right in front of it, 87 00:05:51.629 --> 00:05:55.629 in front of the up portion center. So they're doing it publicly. 88 00:05:56.029 --> 00:06:00.430 Exactly. So this is that. That's problem, right, it is a 89 00:06:00.509 --> 00:06:02.350 problem. Yeah, and then that's coming from from two angles. You know, 90 00:06:02.389 --> 00:06:05.019 if you're out there on the sidewalk and you know you have the women 91 00:06:05.100 --> 00:06:08.620 going in that you're trying to all for help and hope, and they're cussing 92 00:06:08.660 --> 00:06:12.740 at you, and then you got these so called Christians, whatever they were, 93 00:06:12.860 --> 00:06:15.860 some kind of church. Are Quotes Church right, right, and they're 94 00:06:15.860 --> 00:06:17.889 yelling at you too. It's like, man, you getting hit for all 95 00:06:17.930 --> 00:06:20.970 kinds of angles. That's pretty rough. Yeah, do with exactly, and 96 00:06:21.050 --> 00:06:25.209 that's that's why we're doing this podcast, because it that's actually that might be 97 00:06:25.329 --> 00:06:29.569 a bit of an extreme, but it's not unusual. There are, there 98 00:06:29.610 --> 00:06:32.439 are just always there is going to be tensioned. It's already a high tension 99 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:36.800 place. Yeah, but when you get different, I think that the scripture. 100 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:40.560 I keep think of the scripture where two or more are gathered in my 101 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.480 name. Here's Jesus a month there's Jesus among you. There Jesus is among 102 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.310 us, and the fact that God even needs to say that makes you wonder. 103 00:06:47.550 --> 00:06:51.189 Okay, so we're two or three are gathered, just two or three. 104 00:06:51.509 --> 00:06:55.949 That's all that is mentioned. Two or three gathered. It does make 105 00:06:56.029 --> 00:07:02.620 you wonder. Is Our society? Is Humanity just contentious and and we when 106 00:07:02.660 --> 00:07:09.339 we get together, we're often in conflict. It can togree way. Yeah, 107 00:07:09.420 --> 00:07:12.540 you know, it's hard find two or three that do agree about anything. 108 00:07:12.819 --> 00:07:17.290 Cambi. Yeah, so in that particular situation again, even though these 109 00:07:17.449 --> 00:07:21.329 people were not helpful any level. Now, yeah, I do not come 110 00:07:21.370 --> 00:07:26.250 across, or try to come across at all when a new group comes out 111 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:29.610 or somebody that comes out that's not doing what I'm doing, as somehow I 112 00:07:29.689 --> 00:07:31.079 got all the answers, I got it all figured out and their way is 113 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.720 wrong. Right, even people come out. I mean I think we have 114 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:40.160 a really good balance between grace and truth. We don't compromise the fact that 115 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:43.199 abortion is murder. It is murder, but we're not out there yelling at 116 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.990 the women you're a murder and stuff like that, or a whore or a 117 00:07:46.069 --> 00:07:48.750 or anything like that. So we're not we're not fluffing up the Gospel. 118 00:07:48.990 --> 00:07:56.790 Right, we're not minimizing the sin of abortion, but we're also approachable, 119 00:07:57.470 --> 00:08:01.540 we're kind, we are purposely gentle in our approach and that sort of thing. 120 00:08:01.660 --> 00:08:03.939 Right. So I think we have a good balance. But I do 121 00:08:05.100 --> 00:08:07.139 know that other people come out there are a little maybe softer than we are. 122 00:08:07.779 --> 00:08:11.300 And okay, if that's what God has called him to do, as 123 00:08:11.300 --> 00:08:13.850 long as they're not compromising the Gospel and they're not telling people abortions. You 124 00:08:13.970 --> 00:08:16.370 know, okay if you want to do that, but not okay, if 125 00:08:16.410 --> 00:08:20.769 you don't know if they're they're just not justifined abortion and they're in the vein 126 00:08:20.810 --> 00:08:24.370 of scripture, okay. Then if they're a little harsher than I would be, 127 00:08:26.009 --> 00:08:28.399 then okay. I mean that's what God's called them to do. So 128 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.120 I'm not one to just show up and be on the sidewalk and say, 129 00:08:31.159 --> 00:08:33.480 well, they're wrong, they're wrong, and I'm right. Yeah, but 130 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.960 there are times when people just go way over the top. Yeah, and 131 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.710 you want to distance yourselves from those people. I think that's important that we 132 00:08:41.830 --> 00:08:46.070 do at some point. But at the end of the day, as much 133 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:48.870 as you want to distance yourself from another group like the group that I mentioned 134 00:08:48.909 --> 00:08:54.029 there in southern California, you you, you literally can't run them off. 135 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:56.019 Unless they're assaulting you or something, you can call the police. And so 136 00:08:56.220 --> 00:09:01.659 what I encourage our brother there to do this is kind of like maybe a 137 00:09:01.740 --> 00:09:05.379 little a little free be here. It's not something that we in our trainings 138 00:09:05.500 --> 00:09:09.620 really teach, but I think it's something that the Lord use, certainly in 139 00:09:09.700 --> 00:09:11.450 that situation. I said, you know what, brother, if these people 140 00:09:11.490 --> 00:09:16.250 want do what they're supposed to do, if they want stop being a hindrance 141 00:09:16.289 --> 00:09:18.690 to what you're doing, what you need to do is just take authority over 142 00:09:18.730 --> 00:09:24.840 the atmosphere, set up a speaker, pray worship music, play worship music 143 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.480 on that speaker and take authority of the atmosphere. HMM, it belongs to 144 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.159 you because you belong to Jesus, and people that are coming along that are 145 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.629 bringing problems and a hindrance to that God can run them off. You just 146 00:09:37.750 --> 00:09:41.350 take authority of the atmosphere. There you got a speaker. At the end 147 00:09:41.350 --> 00:09:43.710 of the day, you can be louder than them if you got a speaker 148 00:09:43.789 --> 00:09:48.750 to but also if they're being demons, let's worship Jesus and he'll drive the 149 00:09:48.830 --> 00:09:54.940 demons away. So that's that's a little kind of extra to what we normally 150 00:09:54.980 --> 00:09:58.620 teach. But I think the Lord certainly in an when that situation it won't 151 00:09:58.659 --> 00:10:01.980 work. So my first thought was, well, could they have gone and 152 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.139 gotten their louder speaker? It could have, okay, but they didn't. 153 00:10:05.259 --> 00:10:09.210 They didn't not yet know they left. Cannot. Yeah, and the back 154 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:11.570 for several weeks. So that's good. Yeah, that's good. So so 155 00:10:11.730 --> 00:10:16.049 you've made the case. Yes, indeed, there is going to be conflict, 156 00:10:16.090 --> 00:10:22.840 even with very well meaning Harry sincere prolit and all on the same page 157 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.600 in terms of pro life. They may not necessarily be Christian. There are 158 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:28.759 some, not many, but there are some pro life groups that are not 159 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.240 Christians. She'll just they just believe that that baby is worthy of protect yeah, 160 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.990 like secular human rights. Right, people would apply abortion to secular humorize. 161 00:10:39.029 --> 00:10:43.230 Yeah, I haven't encountered that really on the sidewalk. Maybe it's like 162 00:10:43.389 --> 00:10:46.269 that in some other areas or something. Mostly I think what we encounter, 163 00:10:46.789 --> 00:10:50.980 what I've encountered, is just individuals, the kind of have their own agenda 164 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:54.179 as far as people that cause problems. Right, thing, right, but 165 00:10:56.379 --> 00:11:01.419 kind of in the vein of talking about kind of the differences in the different 166 00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:05.850 ministries that can happen at an abortion center. MMM, as I prayed about 167 00:11:05.850 --> 00:11:09.929 this and thought about this over the years and my experience, I really kind 168 00:11:09.929 --> 00:11:15.450 of come to believe that this is again in the vein of what's helpful out 169 00:11:15.450 --> 00:11:16.970 there. There's some things that happen that are not helpful, right, the 170 00:11:18.090 --> 00:11:20.480 people that you know again, they're screaming ridiculous things and all of that. 171 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.120 But of what I've seen that that's helpful. That I think honors the Lord. 172 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:31.960 There's kind of two veins of people, of groups that are out here, 173 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.110 right, and so this is the way I view it. I could 174 00:11:33.110 --> 00:11:37.389 be wrong about this, but I think I'm correct. I think this is 175 00:11:37.509 --> 00:11:39.909 a way to look at it. And those two groups that I see is 176 00:11:39.990 --> 00:11:45.350 you have the prophetic group, and the term could be something different, but 177 00:11:45.549 --> 00:11:48.659 I think prophetic maybe along the lines of like street preachers, that sort of 178 00:11:48.740 --> 00:11:52.620 thing. Yeah, it's by the way, I am a street preacher kind 179 00:11:52.659 --> 00:11:58.659 of in my early walk with the Lord did some street preaching, a lot 180 00:11:58.700 --> 00:12:01.970 of street preaching. I love doing that. Don't disparage that. Praise God. 181 00:12:01.009 --> 00:12:05.009 God does that. Jesus was a street preacher. So it was John 182 00:12:05.009 --> 00:12:07.129 The baptist. Many of the men that we look at in the history of 183 00:12:07.129 --> 00:12:11.690 the Church Street preachers, the Wesley's and George Whitfield, those guests. So 184 00:12:13.769 --> 00:12:16.039 I'm thinking a lot of that van prophetic just because I know, when I'm 185 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.080 a brand new Christian, I really didn't understand what I do know now what 186 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:22.720 you mean by that. But what do you mean by that? When would 187 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.879 define it? What I don't mean by that is somebody that's, you know, 188 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:30.350 for telling the future. But well, think about prophetic. Is that's 189 00:12:30.389 --> 00:12:31.789 what I got? Prophecy? Yes, it's not what I mean. Yeah, 190 00:12:31.870 --> 00:12:35.990 what I do mean is someone that's just there, to the way I 191 00:12:37.110 --> 00:12:39.870 say it, to deliver God's mail. Okay's what the Prophet does. He 192 00:12:39.990 --> 00:12:43.419 delivers the mail. Yeah, he's got a job to do and that's just 193 00:12:43.659 --> 00:12:48.019 to come and deliver the mail and he could care less. He'll take the 194 00:12:48.139 --> 00:12:50.899 mail, this is an analogy, of course, and dump it on your 195 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:56.220 doorstep and leave and whether you open the mail or not, it's not his 196 00:12:56.700 --> 00:13:01.129 not his interest, right. His interest is to deliver God's Mail and you 197 00:13:01.289 --> 00:13:03.169 do with it, right, and that's the prophetic that's kind of like they 198 00:13:03.289 --> 00:13:07.250 just show up and they just do their thing and they just broadcast the truth. 199 00:13:07.850 --> 00:13:13.120 And this can, I'm not talking necessarily like aggressive or anything like that. 200 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.080 Can be a little maybe viewed as little more aggressive than maybe we would 201 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.440 want to be, but they're just there to deliver the truth. Yeah, 202 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:22.080 I would. I would add, and maybe I'm wrong about this, that 203 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:28.950 oftentimes that truth is convicting truth. It's often times not the easier truths, 204 00:13:28.070 --> 00:13:31.429 like God loves you so much. It's sometimes God loves you so much that 205 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:35.830 he expects you to do what he yes said. It's for you to what 206 00:13:35.990 --> 00:13:37.470 you want. You to repent as right, don't burn in Hell, right. 207 00:13:37.509 --> 00:13:41.779 Right. I mean. So it's it's often, it is often probably 208 00:13:41.820 --> 00:13:46.500 a strong message because it's a convicting yeah, message. I would say it's 209 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:54.580 confrontational. Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's it's purposefully confrontation. Right now, 210 00:13:54.620 --> 00:13:58.610 I'll say anytime light shows up to darkness, right, it's confrontational. 211 00:13:58.769 --> 00:14:05.330 So no matter how nice you are, how non confrontational you are. If 212 00:14:05.370 --> 00:14:09.960 you come to an abortion center as a believer in Jesus, you're in confrontation, 213 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:16.000 yes, but you're not purposely in confrontation. I will say those who 214 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.919 come in this kind of prophetic vein are coming with purposely to be confrontational. 215 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.389 They want to confront evil with the truth. And again they're just there to 216 00:14:26.509 --> 00:14:30.629 deliver the mail and not really interested it in. But I would say they're 217 00:14:30.629 --> 00:14:33.389 not interesting in that they don't care. They certainly do want people to come 218 00:14:33.429 --> 00:14:35.629 to know the Lord. Yeah, least the people I know. They're in 219 00:14:35.710 --> 00:14:39.419 this vein. Yeah, but they're not helping you open the mail. They're 220 00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:43.139 not. They're not helping you read it and figure out what's inside of it. 221 00:14:43.220 --> 00:14:46.179 They're just there to deliver the mail and listen. I Have God honors 222 00:14:46.220 --> 00:14:50.379 that I have seen again, for lack of a better term, the street 223 00:14:50.419 --> 00:14:56.250 preacher types show up preach, not they're not doing sidewall counseling, they're not 224 00:14:56.330 --> 00:15:00.450 doing you know really. I mean they might be handered out literature something like 225 00:15:00.529 --> 00:15:03.529 that, but for the most part they're just preaching and God uses that and 226 00:15:03.649 --> 00:15:09.799 babies have been saved. I've had people contact me that knew of a mom 227 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.360 that chose life for her baby because someone was out on a speaker just preaching. 228 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:18.639 Yeah, yeah, and that mom fell under conviction and chose life for 229 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.909 her baby. That I'm sure that's happened thousands of times. Right. It 230 00:15:22.110 --> 00:15:26.429 was a street preacher who convicted the person who led me to the Lord. 231 00:15:28.590 --> 00:15:31.350 That was how he came to the Lord. So, yeah, they're they 232 00:15:31.990 --> 00:15:37.700 they often do have great results. Yeah, I don't know often, but 233 00:15:37.899 --> 00:15:41.299 they but, like I said, it's not the results that thereafter, it's 234 00:15:41.379 --> 00:15:46.940 the convicting message that they are compelled like Jeremiah. Yeah, that I think 235 00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:50.610 of. Jeremiah was, you know that he was rejected. The people didn't 236 00:15:50.610 --> 00:15:54.809 even listen. He saw no through fruit for his entire Ministry of Ward Years, 237 00:15:54.210 --> 00:16:00.370 but he faithfully delivered the mail. He faithfully preached God's very kind of 238 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:06.039 harsh message to a very rebellious people. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so 239 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:07.879 that's that's one of the groups, yeah, that we see out at this 240 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.360 and and I've seen him too, and we have them, we have them 241 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.279 locally. Yeah, and again I want to try to impart to you guys 242 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:19.190 that are listening, a heart that I think is is the heart of God, 243 00:16:21.389 --> 00:16:26.750 which is that even though people aren't doing and saying exactly what we're doing 244 00:16:26.870 --> 00:16:32.389 and saying doesn't necessarily mean that they're wrong. We need to view things from 245 00:16:32.389 --> 00:16:36.820 a scriptural perspective, because one of the things that can happen if you're kind 246 00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:37.700 of in the vein that we are, which I'm going to touch on in 247 00:16:37.820 --> 00:16:41.139 just a minute, which is, I think, more evangelistic. Now, 248 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:45.220 I don't mean to imply that the prophetic type doesn't evangelize. They do, 249 00:16:45.820 --> 00:16:48.730 but if we're in along this vein do inside of all counseling, and someone 250 00:16:48.809 --> 00:16:52.450 comes along the street, preacher type and they're preaching, we can immediately get 251 00:16:52.490 --> 00:16:56.769 offended and want to try to just get rid of them and get them away 252 00:16:56.809 --> 00:16:59.649 from us. We don't want to be associated with that. And if we're 253 00:16:59.730 --> 00:17:03.720 honest about that and we're honest about why we don't want to be associated with 254 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.000 that, and we look at the Scripture and see that, okay, Jesus 255 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:14.279 confronted pretty forthrightly Jesus John The baptist, I mean Jesus said of men born 256 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:15.710 of men, there's no one greater than this guy, John the Baptist, 257 00:17:15.750 --> 00:17:22.950 and that guy certainly preached a prophetic message of repentance. Right. A lot 258 00:17:22.990 --> 00:17:30.539 of times our American Christian sensitivities are offended rather than then the Lord. Right. 259 00:17:30.700 --> 00:17:33.339 So if we're going to be offended at something, we need to be 260 00:17:33.420 --> 00:17:36.339 offended along the lines of the scripture, not along the lines of our Christian 261 00:17:36.380 --> 00:17:38.380 sensitivities. And if we're honest, we don't want to be associated with that 262 00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:42.019 because we don't want the world to look at US bad right, we don't 263 00:17:42.019 --> 00:17:45.849 want the world to look at us as judge or condemn me or whatever. 264 00:17:45.210 --> 00:17:49.369 Yeah, and so in reality we're more concerned about the way that we look 265 00:17:51.130 --> 00:17:52.930 then what the Bible said. Yeah, so boils down to a pride issue. 266 00:17:52.970 --> 00:17:56.569 Yeah, it, man, it really is. Yeah. Now, 267 00:17:56.609 --> 00:18:03.279 all of that to say that there are street preacher types that show up and 268 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.759 that, just like I described, are not honoring the Lord, and we 269 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.200 certainly don't want to be associated with that kind of garbage. We're the other 270 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:17.990 calling women horrors and there whatever, the other overthetop. Just you look at 271 00:18:17.990 --> 00:18:19.430 it and you know this is carnal, this comes from the flesh. This 272 00:18:19.549 --> 00:18:22.589 is not no motivated by the spirit of God, this is not just people 273 00:18:22.710 --> 00:18:29.140 trying to confront evil. This is people trying to probably confront the only evil 274 00:18:29.180 --> 00:18:32.019 they fill in their own heart. So they judge and condemn other people's because 275 00:18:32.019 --> 00:18:33.660 that's the same stuff they got going on in their own lives. Could be. 276 00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:38.579 So I just say that we need to look at what the Bible says, 277 00:18:38.779 --> 00:18:42.170 look at how the Scripture addresses these things, look at how look at 278 00:18:42.210 --> 00:18:48.450 the examples we have in scripture and judge based on that. Right. So, 279 00:18:48.609 --> 00:18:52.930 just because someone's a little harsher or a little softer than we are doesn't 280 00:18:52.970 --> 00:18:56.359 necessarily mean that they're wrong. Yeah, they're doing what the best they can 281 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:02.000 with the information they have to serve God. Same thing. We're doing best 282 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.480 we can with the information we have to serve God and honor and obey Him. 283 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.319 Yeah, one of the things I thought of while I was thinking about 284 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:14.230 this topic was that bad. I believe I am called by God to be 285 00:19:14.390 --> 00:19:18.789 there, but it's not like God is surprised that all these other people are 286 00:19:18.829 --> 00:19:25.099 there that maybe have very different approaches than I do. He could remove them 287 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:30.259 if he wanted to, and if he hasn't, perhaps there's a god ordained 288 00:19:30.579 --> 00:19:33.980 reason that they're there that I may not know. Yeah, I may never 289 00:19:34.099 --> 00:19:38.970 know. So, yeah, I do think examining your own heart, as 290 00:19:40.210 --> 00:19:42.369 as you look at these other groups out there, is really one of the 291 00:19:42.569 --> 00:19:47.009 first things you need to do if you're feeling anger or I just want to 292 00:19:47.049 --> 00:19:51.170 get rid of them. Really look deep inside yourself first. Yeah, and 293 00:19:51.529 --> 00:19:53.160 bringing it before the Lord, right, or something up with my heart, 294 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:56.519 yeah, rather than just well, they're not doing I'm doing so therefore they're 295 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.160 wrong. I leave right. So, but you so. You started with 296 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:06.880 there's the prophetic voice and that we might find that more grading on our nerves 297 00:20:07.230 --> 00:20:11.950 because we tend to, locally at least, train our people with what you 298 00:20:12.190 --> 00:20:15.710 describe as a more evangelistic voice. So what do you what do you mean 299 00:20:15.750 --> 00:20:18.269 by that? And what I mean by that again, is not that the 300 00:20:18.349 --> 00:20:22.900 prophetic folks aren't bringing the Gospel and not aren't evangelizing. They all right, 301 00:20:22.940 --> 00:20:27.099 right. What I really mean by that is I look at the Prophet, 302 00:20:27.579 --> 00:20:32.579 I look at John the Baptist as far as the prophetic, and look as 303 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:37.490 evangelistic. I'll look at Philip the evangelist, okay, and Philip the evangelists, 304 00:20:38.009 --> 00:20:45.410 and this is in acts and lives, acts Chapter Eight, okay, 305 00:20:45.210 --> 00:20:49.839 and Philip the evangelist is he's got, has used him in some area and 306 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:56.680 the Gospel's preached there. And then at one point he's a this is in 307 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.960 it's round. Acts Chapter Eight, Verse Twenty Six, and says the angel 308 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.390 of the Lord spoke to Philip, saying arise and go towards the South along 309 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:08.950 the road which goes up from Jerusalem to Gaza. This is desert, so 310 00:21:10.150 --> 00:21:11.789 he's in a desert area. So he rose and went and behold a man 311 00:21:11.910 --> 00:21:15.349 of Ethiopia. This is verse twenty seven. And Acts Chapter Eight. A 312 00:21:15.470 --> 00:21:21.259 Eunuch of great authority under candice, the Queen of the Ethiopians, who had 313 00:21:21.380 --> 00:21:25.099 charge of all her treasury, had come up to Jerusalem to worship. And 314 00:21:25.220 --> 00:21:29.380 so I'll sum of the story. He's traveling in his chariot and he had 315 00:21:29.420 --> 00:21:33.369 gone to Jerusalem. He was headed back, apparently to Ethiopia, where he 316 00:21:33.690 --> 00:21:38.450 was headed to Jerusalem anyway, and Philip, prompted by the Holy Spirit, 317 00:21:38.569 --> 00:21:45.730 goes alongside his chariot and finds that he's reading the scroll of Isaiah and he's 318 00:21:45.769 --> 00:21:48.359 reading he was a he was led as a sheep to the slaughter, as 319 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.759 a lamb before it shears. Is Silent. This is in acts, Chapter 320 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:57.160 Eight, verse Thirty Two. So he opened on his mouth. He was 321 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:03.069 in humiliation. In his humiliation, his justice was taken away. And who 322 00:22:03.069 --> 00:22:07.430 will declare his generation, for his life was taken from the earth. And 323 00:22:07.589 --> 00:22:14.190 so this is what this Ethiopian unit was reading. Philip ask him, Hey, 324 00:22:14.309 --> 00:22:17.220 man, you know what you're reading? I'm paraphrasing. He's like, 325 00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:19.539 how can I know unless somebody, lest somebody tells me. And so Philip 326 00:22:19.579 --> 00:22:23.619 kind of jumps up in the chariot with him and shares with him really what 327 00:22:23.779 --> 00:22:30.089 God saying and talks about Jesus and shares with him this scripture that you're reading. 328 00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:33.329 Is Talking about the Messiah, is talking about Jesus. And so what 329 00:22:33.369 --> 00:22:36.170 does he doing there? Again, like John The baptist, he's just delivering 330 00:22:36.210 --> 00:22:38.569 the mail. He dumps on your doorstep. You if you open it. 331 00:22:38.650 --> 00:22:42.250 That's between you and God. Philip the evangelist, he's actually hopping up in 332 00:22:42.289 --> 00:22:45.720 the chariot with the Ethiopen, helping him open the mail, showing him, 333 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:51.000 after he opens the mail, how to read the mail and then explaining what 334 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:53.359 he's reading. Right there. He relational. Listen, he he's Relat some 335 00:22:53.640 --> 00:23:00.269 sits next to him. He and ask questions, looks for the opportunity, 336 00:23:00.829 --> 00:23:06.869 find seeses upon the opportunity, then builds this relationship and is willing to get 337 00:23:06.950 --> 00:23:11.509 in the chariot with him and share truth. Yeah. Yeah, and ultimately 338 00:23:11.549 --> 00:23:15.019 he baptizes the guy. Yeah, and with the guy comes to the Lord 339 00:23:15.019 --> 00:23:19.819 and he baptizes him. So kind of what convey what I want to convey 340 00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:26.250 in those two things, is that relational nature that the the evangelist or I'd 341 00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:30.369 say in this analogy, the sidewalk counselor, is helping them open the mails. 342 00:23:30.450 --> 00:23:33.730 Want to have a conversation, yeah, with that mom that's going into 343 00:23:33.730 --> 00:23:38.130 the abortion center and breakdown the information? Yeah, and it might be. 344 00:23:38.410 --> 00:23:44.359 I mean I've seen these situations really play out where you've got the prophetic voice, 345 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:48.359 maybe on the microphone or from the sidewalk or whatever, is heralding the 346 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:52.839 message, and then you've got a sidewall counselor over there and the woman, 347 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.069 maybe she doesn't want to go and talk to the guy who's on the microphone 348 00:23:56.150 --> 00:23:59.029 whatever, but comes over and talks to the sidewalk counselor. And I've been 349 00:23:59.069 --> 00:24:02.230 able personally to spring board off. Do you know why he's saying what he's 350 00:24:02.230 --> 00:24:03.950 saying. Yeah, I don't need to disparage that guy and say I'm not 351 00:24:04.029 --> 00:24:07.269 with that guy. He's a little too loud and talk to me because I'm 352 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.500 nice and sweet. I need to disparage that guy. Yeah, all I 353 00:24:10.579 --> 00:24:11.700 need to do is say, Hey, do you hear what the Guy Saying? 354 00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:15.779 Exactly? So it's a want to know why he's talking. Yet. 355 00:24:15.859 --> 00:24:19.700 So it says a great relationship between these two different forces at on the sidewalk 356 00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:26.009 in that example you gave me, because really one is convicting a heart. 357 00:24:26.049 --> 00:24:30.490 We Know God is convicting Buddy. He's using that prophetic voice to convict that 358 00:24:30.609 --> 00:24:34.890 woman's heart, and then the woman is drawn to actually speak with and and 359 00:24:36.410 --> 00:24:41.920 dive a little further into the option of life with the more, yeah, 360 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:48.319 softer evangelistic approach and the relational approach. Absolutely, and that's a beautiful way 361 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.599 to look at it, because I think you had mentioned that you had a 362 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:56.950 scripture though, that that talks about how we can work together in and be 363 00:24:57.470 --> 00:25:03.309 being agreement and billion of course, this is along the lines of those who 364 00:25:03.309 --> 00:25:07.500 actually belonged to g Jesus. Definitely be a problem. Definitely there's if you're 365 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:08.900 dealing with people. They are not born a God. That's right, and 366 00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:14.900 there's contingent around even the Gospel, which which you will also you will face 367 00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:18.099 that and we actually talk about that a little bit later on in and hopefully 368 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:21.059 what we get to. But yeah, from time to time you may face 369 00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:22.410 that. But yeah, if you've got these two ministries going on, they 370 00:25:22.450 --> 00:25:26.930 can work hand in hand together, the Prophetic and the evangelistic ministry. There's 371 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:30.369 just has to be an understanding of kind of each other's roles and has to 372 00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:33.410 be in that has to be a mutual respect for each other. There does, 373 00:25:33.490 --> 00:25:37.200 and I really like how you laid out those two groups, because what 374 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.079 what I was even thinking while you were talking was how even I, who 375 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:45.640 have been out there a long time, do tend to get a little territorial 376 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.640 when a different voice comes out there. But what you just laid out was 377 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:55.390 an understanding of the intent behind those two different voices, and that alone gives 378 00:25:55.589 --> 00:25:59.829 more understanding so that I'm more able to then say, oh well, I 379 00:25:59.950 --> 00:26:03.309 kind of get where they're going and why they're doing that. It makes it, 380 00:26:03.109 --> 00:26:07.700 I don't know, easier for me to accept that they should be out 381 00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:10.019 there. Yeah, that's okay that they're out there. One of the things 382 00:26:10.059 --> 00:26:14.460 I say in our trainings is we're talking about relating to other prolife groups and 383 00:26:14.539 --> 00:26:17.579 other people of out there. Is You can honor people's efforts without agreeing with 384 00:26:17.660 --> 00:26:21.569 their methods. Yeah, and listen, there's all kinds of methods to do 385 00:26:21.769 --> 00:26:23.769 all kinds of things. You Talk About Sharing The Gospel, for example. 386 00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:27.009 Yeah, I think there's a good, solid, Biblical method of sharing the 387 00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:30.089 Gospel. I think Red Comfort's message. I think it's that. Yeah, 388 00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:33.599 that's why we use right, right, but there's other methods like the Romans 389 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:40.240 Road and excellence in evangelism and other things that are out there that God uses 390 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.960 to to bring people to him. Yeah, I'm not going to disparage those 391 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.039 methods. I may not use those methods, I may have some issues with 392 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:52.029 those methods, but at the end of the day I'm just like Paul. 393 00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:55.869 I think it was in Philippians where Paul says I'm rejoicing even if people share 394 00:26:55.910 --> 00:27:00.069 the Gospel, to try to disparage what I'm doing. Hey, I'm just 395 00:27:00.190 --> 00:27:03.900 happy the gospels being shared. We need to have an attitude of we're happy 396 00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:07.099 the people are out there and if we don't like their methods, necessarily. 397 00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:10.579 Yeah, doesn't necessarily mean their methods are wrong because you don't like them, 398 00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:14.140 right, but you can still honor their efforts. List and I know people 399 00:27:14.140 --> 00:27:17.529 who I would. I would not be doing things like they're doing them right, 400 00:27:18.569 --> 00:27:22.569 but they're committed and maybe some some of them should be committed to a 401 00:27:22.650 --> 00:27:26.529 local institution, but I still I mean there's a guy, and I think 402 00:27:26.569 --> 00:27:29.930 we've mentioned them on the podcast, who used to come out here to Charlotte 403 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:32.440 who, you know, I would I would tell people, I mean this 404 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.559 guy was committed. He would be there the first guy and then wanting to 405 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:40.880 be there and faithfully there, rain, sleet, Snow, hell, he's 406 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.430 there right now. He didn't necessarily give the greatest message. He was pretty 407 00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:48.630 pretty rotten to the people going in, sometimes rotten to our people right. 408 00:27:48.670 --> 00:27:52.990 Yeah, but the do was committed and even though he would be one of 409 00:27:53.029 --> 00:27:56.950 those that I would, you know, thankfully he's not been out there and 410 00:27:56.029 --> 00:27:59.779 we've kind of prayed him away and I'm glad for that. Yeah, but 411 00:27:59.859 --> 00:28:03.099 yet still I would would honor his efforts, even if I completely disagree with 412 00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:08.460 his methods. I would still honor his efforts because when the guy he doesn't 413 00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:11.980 know God. I can tell you that he's not born again, to though 414 00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:14.529 he does use some scripture and whatever. He just doesn't know the Lord. 415 00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:18.849 I would say he still he put some Christians, people that do know the 416 00:28:18.930 --> 00:28:22.170 Lord, to shame out of his commitment. Now I would say that he's 417 00:28:22.210 --> 00:28:27.160 committed and probably needs to be committed to a mental institution. But either way 418 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.200 the GAL was committed. So you can honor people's efforts. What I agree 419 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.359 with their methods and it comes, it really helps your heart to come from 420 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.839 that perspective of honor. But I want to read real quick and this is 421 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.109 for Romans Chapter Twelve. We'll read this passage and then there's some others that 422 00:28:42.190 --> 00:28:45.230 I think have to do with this. When we talk about this, is 423 00:28:45.589 --> 00:28:48.670 talking about people that actually know the Lord and the really centered around the Gospel. 424 00:28:49.869 --> 00:28:52.869 And this is Paul in Roma Chapter Twelve. He says, for I 425 00:28:52.990 --> 00:28:56.779 say that the grace given to me to everyone who is among you not to 426 00:28:56.859 --> 00:29:00.500 think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly. 427 00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:03.339 So let's not think just because we have a particular method and way of 428 00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:08.220 doing things that our method is better than others. Just because God has called 429 00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:12.009 us to something doesn't mean he's called us to something better. Sometimes that could 430 00:29:12.009 --> 00:29:15.809 be the case, but we need to come from a perspective of humility and 431 00:29:15.130 --> 00:29:19.289 know that we're no better than anyone else. We're just called to a particular 432 00:29:19.529 --> 00:29:25.279 particular area of ministry. So not to think of ourselves more highly than we 433 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.319 ought to. We're more Christian than they are or more loving than they are, 434 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.720 whether might be. Yeah, it says as God has dealt to each 435 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:37.279 one a measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, 436 00:29:37.630 --> 00:29:41.990 not all the members do the same thing or do the same function. 437 00:29:41.269 --> 00:29:45.950 So we, being many, are one body in Christ and individually members of 438 00:29:45.029 --> 00:29:48.789 one another. Having, then, gifts differing according to the grace that is 439 00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:52.299 given to us, let us use them. If Prophecy, then let us 440 00:29:52.299 --> 00:29:56.180 prophesy in proportion to our faith or ministry. Let us use it in our 441 00:29:56.220 --> 00:30:00.059 ministring. or He who teaches and teaching, he who exhorts and exhortation, 442 00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:04.980 he gives and Liberality, he who leads with diligence, he shows mercy, 443 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:10.369 with cheerfulness. So it's talking about these different facets of ministry and how these 444 00:30:10.410 --> 00:30:15.170 different facets of ministry can work together in the body of Christ right to bring 445 00:30:15.210 --> 00:30:18.490 glory to Jesus. Yeah, as we got to come from that perspective. 446 00:30:18.529 --> 00:30:23.119 Yeah, of course, remembering, I think we've said this to the whole 447 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.119 thing, that there are people that are going to come out on the sidewalk 448 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:33.680 prolife, people that are not helpful. Yeah, and there's gonna be times 449 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.589 that you're going to have to address those other groups. Yeah, and sometimes 450 00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:45.910 they're things like literally, they cause so much anger towards us that we're endangered. 451 00:30:47.150 --> 00:30:49.740 Yeah, it that it people want to come beat us up. Yeah, 452 00:30:49.940 --> 00:30:55.619 and and so you know that that has to be addressed and there is 453 00:30:56.339 --> 00:31:00.339 time and place. Yeah, for are addressing differences that you can't avoid. 454 00:31:00.339 --> 00:31:04.970 There will be differences that sometimes you absolutely do need to at some point address. 455 00:31:06.289 --> 00:31:10.369 But in front of the abortion centers at the best place too? Well, 456 00:31:10.410 --> 00:31:14.089 I would say typically it's not the best. But yeah, especially for 457 00:31:14.210 --> 00:31:15.730 going to be argue in methodology. Now, I do think that there are 458 00:31:15.809 --> 00:31:22.680 conversations between the you know, again the Prophetic and the evangelistic folks that are 459 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.559 centered around the Gospel. But there are still times where those those two groups 460 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:27.920 need to have conversations right and need to say hey, man, this is 461 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.869 not helpful what you're doing, and kind of lay out a case, lay 462 00:31:32.910 --> 00:31:36.829 it out biblically. I've had those conversations. I've had those conversation. People 463 00:31:36.829 --> 00:31:40.829 have had those conversations with me, but again, out in front of the 464 00:31:40.869 --> 00:31:42.549 abortion center. It's not the best place to do it. If you think 465 00:31:42.589 --> 00:31:47.619 about it from the perspective of a woman going into the abortion center, she's 466 00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:51.859 looking out on the sidewalk and we might think there's two, three, four, 467 00:31:52.059 --> 00:31:53.980 five groups, different groups of people out there. We kind of look 468 00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:56.619 at it maybe in that way because we know who they are for sure, 469 00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:01.170 got write t shirts on or whatever. Yeah, but that woman looking from 470 00:32:01.210 --> 00:32:06.410 that perspective over on the sidewalk, if we're fighting among ourselves, she didn't 471 00:32:06.410 --> 00:32:08.609 see several different groups. She sees one group of people and she sees that 472 00:32:08.730 --> 00:32:13.210 group of people arguing and fighting right and so what do we conveying to her? 473 00:32:13.410 --> 00:32:16.599 Yeah, we're basicying. We are filled with chaos, hatred, anger, 474 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:20.920 crisis, same as you, honey. Come on join us. Yeah, 475 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:22.960 we got nothing more to offer her than what she's already got going on 476 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.680 her life. That's a ask. Confusion, fighting, striving all that stuff 477 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.509 right. So that's why I think we need to be careful if we're going 478 00:32:30.509 --> 00:32:34.069 to talk about methodology and we're going to set people straight. And again, 479 00:32:34.109 --> 00:32:36.869 I think there are times where we need to set people straight. Yeah, 480 00:32:37.869 --> 00:32:40.789 I think it's best to do it away from the sidewalk and maybe coffee, 481 00:32:42.029 --> 00:32:45.420 maybe have breakfast, maybe have launch or, if nothing else, step over 482 00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:51.099 across the street or down the road a little bit or something like that and 483 00:32:51.220 --> 00:32:54.619 have that conversation so you're not fighting among yourselves out on the sidewalk in front 484 00:32:54.619 --> 00:32:58.690 of the abortion said Yeah, you're wait yess, that doesn't honor God. 485 00:32:58.970 --> 00:33:02.170 That's right. And your witness before the women that you want to come talk 486 00:33:02.250 --> 00:33:07.410 with you is one of calm, peace, all the things that she is 487 00:33:07.650 --> 00:33:10.849 not experiencing, because we've been told so many times that's what draws them over 488 00:33:12.009 --> 00:33:15.839 to us. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and so I think there is 489 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:22.319 in the scripture a model that we use and that we should use when we 490 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:27.710 encounter situations that that need to be addressed. Yeah, and I believe that's 491 00:33:27.910 --> 00:33:31.150 found in Matthew Chapter Eighteen, right in verse fifteen. And you know, 492 00:33:31.269 --> 00:33:34.670 you could say you can get real particular with this and say, well, 493 00:33:34.710 --> 00:33:38.950 this is Jesus talking to his disciples and he's really talking about a church context, 494 00:33:39.910 --> 00:33:43.980 in the church context, because he does talk about the church later on 495 00:33:44.059 --> 00:33:45.980 in this passage. Yeah, and I think you could, you could be 496 00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:50.299 right about that, that there is a context that Jesus is talking to. 497 00:33:50.420 --> 00:33:54.460 He's talking in particular about the local church and using the church structure to address 498 00:33:54.460 --> 00:33:58.890 a sin in people. But I think there is a general principle here that 499 00:33:58.970 --> 00:34:00.690 can be applied even a sidewalk ministry, in any other kind of ministry, 500 00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:07.289 and just can be replied relationally. Are Be applied relationally in in your interactions 501 00:34:07.329 --> 00:34:10.039 with brothers and sisters in the Lord that may not necessarily be in your local 502 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.920 church. Yeah, our pastor made the point this this past Sunday, which 503 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.280 struck me, that if you look at Matthew Eighteen in a red letter Bible, 504 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:23.000 it's almost all read. Yeah, there's like two portions very brief scripture 505 00:34:23.389 --> 00:34:28.829 that's black. Yeah, and those are both Jesus asking questions. Are Actually 506 00:34:28.829 --> 00:34:34.510 it wasn't Jesus, it was the the black portion of text. Are Are 507 00:34:34.829 --> 00:34:38.260 people asking questions and then Jesus is responding and the whole chapter is in read. 508 00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:44.619 Yeah, because it's Jesus responding, and his response throughout chapter eighteen is 509 00:34:44.739 --> 00:34:49.579 relational. It all has to do with human beings relating to one another because 510 00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:55.130 it's such a source of conflict so frequently, and Jesus addresses that very specifically 511 00:34:55.449 --> 00:35:00.489 throughout that chapter. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, here in Matthew, 512 00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:02.849 Chapter Eighteen, Verse Fifteen, it says, moreover, if your brother 513 00:35:02.969 --> 00:35:07.480 sends against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. 514 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.440 And so if you've got an issue, I think the application on the 515 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.559 sidewalk is you got an issue with another brother in the Lord that needs to 516 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.960 be addressed, then address it between you and them. Don't get on your 517 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.750 microphone and preach it to everybody else. Yeah, don't yell it out across 518 00:35:24.789 --> 00:35:29.710 the parking lot or cross the driveway or would ever. Go and address it 519 00:35:30.070 --> 00:35:32.349 between you and them. Don't argue it out there on the sidewalk back and 520 00:35:32.469 --> 00:35:37.820 forth. Take them after maybe after the ministry is over for the days. 521 00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:38.619 Ay, brother, I need to talk to you about something. Yeah, 522 00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:43.099 or shoot them a text. Hey I got I got something I need to 523 00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:45.860 talk to you about. Are you available for call fee or can we meet 524 00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:50.090 a little earlier. Yeah, don't gossip about that person with others, which 525 00:35:50.130 --> 00:35:53.690 I think is we all maybe have the tendency to do that. Yeah, 526 00:35:53.769 --> 00:35:58.769 or sometimes, well, couch it by, Hey, I really need prayer, 527 00:35:59.010 --> 00:36:01.929 and then, rare for that, Start Gossiping, go, spill all 528 00:36:02.010 --> 00:36:07.159 the dirt about this other human being. I think obviously this especially applies to 529 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.119 people that are in the ministry year end. So right, love life. 530 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.599 For example, our local volunteers. We tell our local volunteers if you got 531 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.360 a problem with another volunteer, yeah, do not bring it to us. 532 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:22.150 Yeah, at all. You don't want to hear that problem right until you've 533 00:36:22.150 --> 00:36:24.630 addressed it with them. After you've addressed it with them and you've dealt with 534 00:36:24.670 --> 00:36:29.309 it between you and them and there's been no change, yeah, then it 535 00:36:29.389 --> 00:36:32.539 kind of can be escalated to write talking to us and then we'll address it 536 00:36:32.980 --> 00:36:36.900 with you and them, which is what Matthew eighteen goes on to tell us. 537 00:36:36.980 --> 00:36:40.539 And there's any ongoing versus. So we're trying to approach any kind of 538 00:36:40.860 --> 00:36:46.849 conflict through a biblical resolution. The way this is. This is this is 539 00:36:46.889 --> 00:36:53.329 a biblical method of reconciliation. Yep, how to reconcile with somebody. Yeah, 540 00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:58.650 and so, Rather Than Gossiping about them, rather than giving it as 541 00:36:58.690 --> 00:37:02.119 a prayer request on facebook. Right, right, you address it between you 542 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.199 and them. Yes, now he does say if they if he says, 543 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.119 if you hear or if he hears you, you have gained your brother. 544 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.199 But if he will not hear you take with you one or two more. 545 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.159 So there's when you kind of escalate it to the next level. Let's take 546 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.710 one or two more people. And I think the point here is that if 547 00:37:19.750 --> 00:37:22.949 you can't find one or two more people that agree with you, then maybe 548 00:37:22.989 --> 00:37:24.630 you're the one that's in the wrong. Right now, let me ask you, 549 00:37:24.710 --> 00:37:28.389 because I may be remembering this wrong. Does it say one or two 550 00:37:28.550 --> 00:37:31.739 more witnesses? I know it just says take one or two more with you. 551 00:37:32.139 --> 00:37:35.340 Okay, by the mouth, so they don't know. He does say 552 00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:37.460 by the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word may be established. 553 00:37:37.579 --> 00:37:40.539 So I'm just I was just wondering. I've read that many times and I 554 00:37:40.659 --> 00:37:44.329 was just wondering. Does that mean? It should be someone who has seen 555 00:37:44.369 --> 00:37:51.929 the same thing so that you're you're not just gathering a posse against someone, 556 00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:57.170 but you actually have people who who can agree with you because they've seen it 557 00:37:57.329 --> 00:38:00.800 themselves. I mean, I think it could mean that. I don't necessarily 558 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.480 know that it has to mean that. I think more the two or three 559 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:08.159 witnesses is applied to when you go in confront this person again, you've got 560 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:13.869 witnesses to that confrontation. See, okay, but it could mean someone else 561 00:38:13.909 --> 00:38:16.190 who's been a party to this behavior could be and I think that might be 562 00:38:16.349 --> 00:38:21.550 the best yeah, but I don't think it necessarily has to be. And 563 00:38:21.909 --> 00:38:25.110 of course I guess that can be open for other people's interpretation. But in 564 00:38:25.230 --> 00:38:30.059 my mind the way that this is play out in particular in our context is 565 00:38:30.099 --> 00:38:31.940 if there's someone that's out there the saying and doing things that don't honor the 566 00:38:32.059 --> 00:38:37.619 Lord, I'm going to address them myself if I see it, and if 567 00:38:37.659 --> 00:38:40.300 they don't listen, if there's no change that, I'll probably go and bring 568 00:38:40.420 --> 00:38:45.250 another brother with me who I might even go and get my pastor, and 569 00:38:45.409 --> 00:38:50.289 we talked to him and then if it doesn't change, then I think you 570 00:38:50.369 --> 00:38:53.409 are, in this context, Pretty Limited, because it goes on to talk 571 00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:55.599 about bringing it before the church, like if they don't listen, then you 572 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.360 bring it before the Church and basically you treat that person like an unbeliever. 573 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.519 Right, we can only take this application of this scripture so far in the 574 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:06.760 context that we're talking to, because we're not in the context of local church 575 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.559 and we can't say that person is no longer a part of this church. 576 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.829 You know, again do that because, after all, we're talking mostly about 577 00:39:13.829 --> 00:39:15.269 people. They're not a part of the ministry that you're involved in any way 578 00:39:15.429 --> 00:39:19.349 right now. Do you think if they're part of the ministry you're involved in, 579 00:39:19.389 --> 00:39:22.829 if they're a part of love life and they're not listening to you and 580 00:39:22.869 --> 00:39:27.059 they're not listening to another person's part of love life, there's obviously a conversation 581 00:39:27.219 --> 00:39:30.019 needs to be had about kicking that person out because they're not abiding by our 582 00:39:30.059 --> 00:39:34.500 code of conduct right which is in place for this very reason? Yes, 583 00:39:34.780 --> 00:39:37.730 yeah, but I do think again, and not not that there's a direct 584 00:39:37.730 --> 00:39:42.570 application of the scripture in every way, but I think there's a general principle 585 00:39:42.730 --> 00:39:45.530 that if you've got an issue with someone, you need to address it between 586 00:39:45.570 --> 00:39:49.010 you and them and then, if they don't listen the you need to take 587 00:39:49.050 --> 00:39:52.000 someone notes with you. Yeah, and hopefully, and I've seen this play 588 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.599 out, that there's some resolve here. There's some at least some agreement here. 589 00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.400 Yeah, yeah, and the mutual understanding that we're out here to honor 590 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.239 the Lord. That's right, we're there. And that's how it ends in 591 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.590 in verse Seventeen, where it says for where to let's see again, I 592 00:40:07.670 --> 00:40:10.869 say to you of two of you agree on Earth about anything that they may 593 00:40:10.909 --> 00:40:14.429 ask, it shall be done for them by my father, who's in heaven. 594 00:40:14.469 --> 00:40:16.710 For where two or three have gathered together in my name, I'm there 595 00:40:16.750 --> 00:40:22.579 in their midst. So that's the positive kind of carrot at the end of 596 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:30.139 of doing a biblical approach to reconciliation is we not only honor God, but 597 00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:36.130 there he is right with us in the midst of a really important ministry, 598 00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:39.769 yes, standing right next to us. Yeah, the overarching theme of any 599 00:40:39.849 --> 00:40:45.050 of this is that we want to honor Jesus. Right, we want to 600 00:40:45.130 --> 00:40:49.289 honor Jesus, and that should be our motivation. Yeah, and there's a 601 00:40:49.329 --> 00:40:53.239 scripture. It goes on in that Romans twelve is actually a good chapter on 602 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:59.840 unity in Romans Eighteen, as it talks about unity. You know, he 603 00:40:59.960 --> 00:41:02.199 just talked about the body of Christ in these different parts of the body of 604 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.829 Christ working together. Right and verse eighteen, he says, if it is 605 00:41:07.949 --> 00:41:14.389 possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 606 00:41:14.869 --> 00:41:19.699 HMM. So, from our standpoint as believers in Jesus, as those who 607 00:41:19.699 --> 00:41:22.500 want to honor the Lord in as much as we are able to, let's 608 00:41:22.539 --> 00:41:27.139 be at peace with all men. We're not out there just to be contentious 609 00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:30.980 and we're not out there just to push our way in our methodology. Our 610 00:41:31.059 --> 00:41:36.170 motivation should be to honor the Lord Jesus, and sometimes it's going to take 611 00:41:36.210 --> 00:41:40.090 us swallow in our pride. Sometimes it's going to take us allowing things or 612 00:41:40.489 --> 00:41:45.369 being subjected to things we don't necessarily like, like methodologies that we don't agree 613 00:41:45.409 --> 00:41:51.360 with or whatever, but just going to have to suck it up sometimes. 614 00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:55.039 Yeah, if there's a way to get people that are genuinely not honoring the 615 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.800 Lord off the sidewalk, then okay, I think you put it to prayer, 616 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:01.110 you put it in the Lord's hands and all of that. You take 617 00:42:01.110 --> 00:42:06.510 authority of the atmosphere. But again, just because they're not doing things like 618 00:42:06.630 --> 00:42:09.630 you doesn't necessarily mean they're dishonoring the Lord Right. May just be dishonoring your 619 00:42:09.670 --> 00:42:15.179 sensitivities right, and if you can live peaceably with them, what a witness 620 00:42:15.300 --> 00:42:19.619 that is for the people who so desperately need to know the Lord. Who 621 00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:23.219 Don't thought most of the pro choice people out there. Yeah, certainly many, 622 00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:27.980 if not all, of the women going into a board. So your 623 00:42:28.099 --> 00:42:32.050 our witness, is harmed when we're fighting and when we, even despite so 624 00:42:32.170 --> 00:42:38.369 many differences, can come together peacefully for a the same purpose, that is 625 00:42:38.530 --> 00:42:44.480 a it truly does point others you know God. It makes them desire to 626 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.199 know him better. Yeah, and that's, as we wrap this thing up, 627 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.000 what Jesus is talking about in John, chapter seventeen, right when Jesus 628 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:53.400 is praying, and that's one of our goals. Is Love, life. 629 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:59.510 Is that we want to see John Seventeen. Unity, Jesus says. Father, 630 00:42:59.590 --> 00:43:01.230 I pray that they may be one, as you and I are one, 631 00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:06.429 that the world may believe that you sent me exact our oneness are our 632 00:43:06.590 --> 00:43:09.070 unity in the body of Christ, with all of our different methodologies and and 633 00:43:09.550 --> 00:43:14.619 denominations and all that stuff, we come together around the glory of Jesus Christ. 634 00:43:15.219 --> 00:43:19.539 As much as we might disagree on certain points, we can be unified 635 00:43:20.099 --> 00:43:24.019 around really the heart of God and around the person of Jesus Christ, and 636 00:43:24.219 --> 00:43:30.010 that brings glory to him. And it's evangelism that they might believe. And 637 00:43:30.210 --> 00:43:32.650 so is in as much, guys, as you're listening, in as much 638 00:43:32.650 --> 00:43:37.170 as it depends on you. As the Scripture says, strive for unity, 639 00:43:37.289 --> 00:43:43.320 live at peace with all men and and I believe God will honor that. 640 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:49.519 And so I think we're wrap this. We wrap this podcast. That was 641 00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:53.519 it. That was a really wonderful message, I think, because it's it's 642 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:58.869 just such a constant issue. Yeah, and to look at it from the 643 00:43:58.989 --> 00:44:06.429 perspective of this is yet another opportunity to evangelize. Hurting world is through how 644 00:44:06.590 --> 00:44:10.539 we respond to people that we don't necessarily agree with. Yeah, yeah, 645 00:44:10.780 --> 00:44:15.460 I agree. Well, guys, I appreciate you listening and hope that this 646 00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:17.420 was a blessing you. Hope it was an encouragement to you and, as 647 00:44:17.460 --> 00:44:20.980 always, encourage you guys to reach out to us. 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