Dealing With Other Prolife Groups

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.559 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me. Welcome 2 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:10.070 to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We are out on the sidewalk doing 3 00:00:10.150 --> 00:00:13.509 ministry at the local abortion center. There could be other pro life groups out 4 00:00:13.550 --> 00:00:15.910 there. There are, maybe not with you. Some of those groups can 5 00:00:15.910 --> 00:00:18.829 be helpful, some of those groups can be not so helpful. We're going 6 00:00:18.870 --> 00:00:24.379 to talk about how to deal with that. Biblical stay tuned. I felt 7 00:00:24.780 --> 00:00:37.090 show passish, touch your heart, use me. Welcome to the Gospel Center 8 00:00:37.170 --> 00:00:40.969 pro life podcast. We're going to continue to do some training in this episode 9 00:00:41.530 --> 00:00:46.530 and I think this will be less like principles, well, be principles for 10 00:00:46.649 --> 00:00:51.600 training, but less of like here's what you do, kind of like practical 11 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:55.240 stuff, more relational stuff, I guess I can't. Yes, yes, 12 00:00:55.719 --> 00:01:00.359 and really centered around relating to other pro life groups and in particular, out 13 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.109 on the sidewalk. What we're talking about. That's typically the context which we're 14 00:01:04.150 --> 00:01:08.510 speaking to, and so we're going to talk about that. We're going to 15 00:01:08.549 --> 00:01:14.269 talk about the fact that there's there's a lot of abortion centers. Just say 16 00:01:14.349 --> 00:01:18.700 right off bat that don't have a Christian witness there at all. I don't 17 00:01:18.700 --> 00:01:21.420 no one out on the sidewalk. Yeah, all right. However, there 18 00:01:21.420 --> 00:01:23.379 are a lot of abortion centers where there is some kind of Christian witness. 19 00:01:23.540 --> 00:01:26.579 Maybe it's just people out there praying. Well, I see just people out 20 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:29.859 there praying, because it's some sportant that people are there praying. But maybe 21 00:01:30.099 --> 00:01:33.849 about there that are praying, maybe there's some other folks that are out there 22 00:01:33.969 --> 00:01:38.370 reaching out in some capacity or whatever. Yeah, and you know in your 23 00:01:38.489 --> 00:01:41.930 city, wherever you're listening from your kind of brand new to this and you 24 00:01:42.010 --> 00:01:45.090 showed up out there and it's like, how do you? How do you 25 00:01:45.209 --> 00:01:48.280 relate to these other people? Because you have a call from the Lord to 26 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.480 do ministry on the sidewalk. You really feel burden to do it. But 27 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.799 there's other groups out there that you're not necessarily associated with. HMM, maybe 28 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:00.319 you don't feel called to be associated with them. And so how do you? 29 00:02:00.469 --> 00:02:04.150 How do you deal with that? Maybe you've been out there for a 30 00:02:04.189 --> 00:02:07.830 long time. This is this is something that I've deal with being out there 31 00:02:07.830 --> 00:02:12.229 for a long time, and new folks come along, new groups come along, 32 00:02:12.310 --> 00:02:15.180 individuals come along that are not necessarily part of my group. How do 33 00:02:15.259 --> 00:02:19.340 I deal with that? Right, how do we view that? Situation, 34 00:02:20.099 --> 00:02:23.539 and I can just say from from my perspective there's times when people have come 35 00:02:23.580 --> 00:02:28.020 out that are not necessarily, again, part of our group that rub me 36 00:02:28.060 --> 00:02:30.490 the wrong way. Yeah, I don't really want being out there. Yeah, 37 00:02:31.009 --> 00:02:35.009 and are even, in your opinion, do damage sometimes, Mary be 38 00:02:35.289 --> 00:02:38.169 yeah, and you know, one of the things that I'll say, though, 39 00:02:38.330 --> 00:02:40.729 is if folks do come along and it's just that I don't want them 40 00:02:40.770 --> 00:02:44.560 out there, I got to check my own heart, that's for sure. 41 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:52.960 Yeah, because people that are not necessarily part of my group or whatever can 42 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.800 still be called to be on the sidewalk. Right, just because I have 43 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:01.310 a particular way of doing things and I'm part of love life and someone else 44 00:03:01.310 --> 00:03:05.949 that comes along as not a part of love life doesn't necessarily mean that they're 45 00:03:06.069 --> 00:03:08.069 they're wrong and they shouldn't be out there. Right. Yeah, they have 46 00:03:08.110 --> 00:03:10.789 a word right first day. Have every right to be out there. Yeah, 47 00:03:12.189 --> 00:03:14.860 and that's kind of one of our first principles here. You got to 48 00:03:14.900 --> 00:03:17.659 learn, yeah, that sidewalk doesn't belong to you. Yeah, much as 49 00:03:17.699 --> 00:03:22.419 you want it to. Yeah, at times all faded, man, I'd 50 00:03:22.460 --> 00:03:24.219 love to just take ownership of it and say you can't be here you can 51 00:03:24.379 --> 00:03:28.770 be here you can't, but we'd be destroying our own right to be there 52 00:03:28.889 --> 00:03:32.050 if we if we had that attitude, then we are saying my First Amendment 53 00:03:32.129 --> 00:03:37.449 right counts, yours doesn't. Yeah, yeah, my call is important, 54 00:03:37.490 --> 00:03:39.569 but yours is not right. Right. I think we have to acknowledge first 55 00:03:39.569 --> 00:03:46.120 and foremost that public property. Now, of course, if, like we 56 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.759 do own property next door to the abortion center. Hey, here on the 57 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:54.080 trobe drive, and we can say certain people can't be on there, certain 58 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:58.990 people can. We don't really, I mean we don't let the pro board 59 00:03:59.150 --> 00:04:02.990 people on there, but we kind of divving out what believers can be there. 60 00:04:03.069 --> 00:04:06.310 What you know, probably life people can be there, unless you know 61 00:04:06.389 --> 00:04:10.180 they get that a line. Stuff like that. We can. But reality 62 00:04:10.259 --> 00:04:13.259 is and we're at the abortion center, we're on the public sidewalk in front 63 00:04:13.259 --> 00:04:15.339 of the abortion center. It doesn't belong to us, all right, it 64 00:04:15.459 --> 00:04:20.980 is public property. Yeah, although I will say I would encourage you guys, 65 00:04:23.819 --> 00:04:26.689 if you believe really that the Lord is called you to this ministry, 66 00:04:27.250 --> 00:04:32.449 that you need to take ownership of that sidewalk in the sense that it's not 67 00:04:32.730 --> 00:04:38.089 just who cares who's here. We should be concerned about WHO's there. If 68 00:04:38.089 --> 00:04:42.879 they're people there that are dishonoring the Lord, doing things that dishonored Jesus, 69 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:45.959 then I think we need to have a concern, but at the end of 70 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.319 the day we can't run them off. That's but I do think that we 71 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.360 can take authority over the atmosphere. Yeah, and so I'll give you an 72 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:57.269 example what I'm talking about. One of our brothers in southern California who reaches 73 00:04:57.310 --> 00:05:00.230 out of the Plant parenthood there has been reaching out for a couple of months. 74 00:05:00.269 --> 00:05:04.550 There's been a group there, I think for a couple of years, 75 00:05:04.550 --> 00:05:08.740 smaller group, but it's growing and it's growing and God's doing some amazing things 76 00:05:08.779 --> 00:05:13.860 there, and so they're they're consistently reaching out. And then this group couple 77 00:05:13.899 --> 00:05:16.980 of months ago showed up and they were kind of like, I don't know, 78 00:05:17.420 --> 00:05:19.899 I almost like Westboro Baptist Church people. Don't know if you know what 79 00:05:19.939 --> 00:05:26.129 they I know that that there's some issues with maybe them being a little condemning, 80 00:05:26.970 --> 00:05:30.769 not just that they were actually coming against the sidewalk. So it was 81 00:05:30.970 --> 00:05:33.290 wasn't just that they were being, you know, overly condemning or judge or 82 00:05:33.329 --> 00:05:36.639 whatever the people going into the abortion center. I mean they were calling them 83 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.720 hors and things like that. Okay, well, so that's not good, 84 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:45.680 but even more, yeah, exactly, but even toward the the Christians that 85 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.519 were right there. Yes, they were telling them that they're ungodly because they're 86 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:51.509 not calling the women horrors and all this other stuff right in front of it, 87 00:05:51.629 --> 00:05:55.629 in front of the up portion center. So they're doing it publicly. 88 00:05:56.029 --> 00:06:00.430 Exactly. So this is that. That's problem, right, it is a 89 00:06:00.509 --> 00:06:02.350 problem. Yeah, and then that's coming from from two angles. You know, 90 00:06:02.389 --> 00:06:05.019 if you're out there on the sidewalk and you know you have the women 91 00:06:05.100 --> 00:06:08.620 going in that you're trying to all for help and hope, and they're cussing 92 00:06:08.660 --> 00:06:12.740 at you, and then you got these so called Christians, whatever they were, 93 00:06:12.860 --> 00:06:15.860 some kind of church. Are Quotes Church right, right, and they're 94 00:06:15.860 --> 00:06:17.889 yelling at you too. It's like, man, you getting hit for all 95 00:06:17.930 --> 00:06:20.970 kinds of angles. That's pretty rough. Yeah, do with exactly, and 96 00:06:21.050 --> 00:06:25.209 that's that's why we're doing this podcast, because it that's actually that might be 97 00:06:25.329 --> 00:06:29.569 a bit of an extreme, but it's not unusual. There are, there 98 00:06:29.610 --> 00:06:32.439 are just always there is going to be tensioned. It's already a high tension 99 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:36.800 place. Yeah, but when you get different, I think that the scripture. 100 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:40.560 I keep think of the scripture where two or more are gathered in my 101 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.480 name. Here's Jesus a month there's Jesus among you. There Jesus is among 102 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.310 us, and the fact that God even needs to say that makes you wonder. 103 00:06:47.550 --> 00:06:51.189 Okay, so we're two or three are gathered, just two or three. 104 00:06:51.509 --> 00:06:55.949 That's all that is mentioned. Two or three gathered. It does make 105 00:06:56.029 --> 00:07:02.620 you wonder. Is Our society? Is Humanity just contentious and and we when 106 00:07:02.660 --> 00:07:09.339 we get together, we're often in conflict. It can togree way. Yeah, 107 00:07:09.420 --> 00:07:12.540 you know, it's hard find two or three that do agree about anything. 108 00:07:12.819 --> 00:07:17.290 Cambi. Yeah, so in that particular situation again, even though these 109 00:07:17.449 --> 00:07:21.329 people were not helpful any level. Now, yeah, I do not come 110 00:07:21.370 --> 00:07:26.250 across, or try to come across at all when a new group comes out 111 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:29.610 or somebody that comes out that's not doing what I'm doing, as somehow I 112 00:07:29.689 --> 00:07:31.079 got all the answers, I got it all figured out and their way is 113 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.720 wrong. Right, even people come out. I mean I think we have 114 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:40.160 a really good balance between grace and truth. We don't compromise the fact that 115 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:43.199 abortion is murder. It is murder, but we're not out there yelling at 116 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.990 the women you're a murder and stuff like that, or a whore or a 117 00:07:46.069 --> 00:07:48.750 or anything like that. So we're not we're not fluffing up the Gospel. 118 00:07:48.990 --> 00:07:56.790 Right, we're not minimizing the sin of abortion, but we're also approachable, 119 00:07:57.470 --> 00:08:01.540 we're kind, we are purposely gentle in our approach and that sort of thing. 120 00:08:01.660 --> 00:08:03.939 Right. So I think we have a good balance. But I do 121 00:08:05.100 --> 00:08:07.139 know that other people come out there are a little maybe softer than we are. 122 00:08:07.779 --> 00:08:11.300 And okay, if that's what God has called him to do, as 123 00:08:11.300 --> 00:08:13.850 long as they're not compromising the Gospel and they're not telling people abortions. You 124 00:08:13.970 --> 00:08:16.370 know, okay if you want to do that, but not okay, if 125 00:08:16.410 --> 00:08:20.769 you don't know if they're they're just not justifined abortion and they're in the vein 126 00:08:20.810 --> 00:08:24.370 of scripture, okay. Then if they're a little harsher than I would be, 127 00:08:26.009 --> 00:08:28.399 then okay. I mean that's what God's called them to do. So 128 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.120 I'm not one to just show up and be on the sidewalk and say, 129 00:08:31.159 --> 00:08:33.480 well, they're wrong, they're wrong, and I'm right. Yeah, but 130 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.960 there are times when people just go way over the top. Yeah, and 131 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.710 you want to distance yourselves from those people. I think that's important that we 132 00:08:41.830 --> 00:08:46.070 do at some point. But at the end of the day, as much 133 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:48.870 as you want to distance yourself from another group like the group that I mentioned 134 00:08:48.909 --> 00:08:54.029 there in southern California, you you, you literally can't run them off. 135 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:56.019 Unless they're assaulting you or something, you can call the police. And so 136 00:08:56.220 --> 00:09:01.659 what I encourage our brother there to do this is kind of like maybe a 137 00:09:01.740 --> 00:09:05.379 little a little free be here. It's not something that we in our trainings 138 00:09:05.500 --> 00:09:09.620 really teach, but I think it's something that the Lord use, certainly in 139 00:09:09.700 --> 00:09:11.450 that situation. I said, you know what, brother, if these people 140 00:09:11.490 --> 00:09:16.250 want do what they're supposed to do, if they want stop being a hindrance 141 00:09:16.289 --> 00:09:18.690 to what you're doing, what you need to do is just take authority over 142 00:09:18.730 --> 00:09:24.840 the atmosphere, set up a speaker, pray worship music, play worship music 143 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.480 on that speaker and take authority of the atmosphere. HMM, it belongs to 144 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.159 you because you belong to Jesus, and people that are coming along that are 145 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.629 bringing problems and a hindrance to that God can run them off. You just 146 00:09:37.750 --> 00:09:41.350 take authority of the atmosphere. There you got a speaker. At the end 147 00:09:41.350 --> 00:09:43.710 of the day, you can be louder than them if you got a speaker 148 00:09:43.789 --> 00:09:48.750 to but also if they're being demons, let's worship Jesus and he'll drive the 149 00:09:48.830 --> 00:09:54.940 demons away. So that's that's a little kind of extra to what we normally 150 00:09:54.980 --> 00:09:58.620 teach. But I think the Lord certainly in an when that situation it won't 151 00:09:58.659 --> 00:10:01.980 work. So my first thought was, well, could they have gone and 152 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.139 gotten their louder speaker? It could have, okay, but they didn't. 153 00:10:05.259 --> 00:10:09.210 They didn't not yet know they left. Cannot. Yeah, and the back 154 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:11.570 for several weeks. So that's good. Yeah, that's good. So so 155 00:10:11.730 --> 00:10:16.049 you've made the case. Yes, indeed, there is going to be conflict, 156 00:10:16.090 --> 00:10:22.840 even with very well meaning Harry sincere prolit and all on the same page 157 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.600 in terms of pro life. They may not necessarily be Christian. There are 158 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:28.759 some, not many, but there are some pro life groups that are not 159 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.240 Christians. She'll just they just believe that that baby is worthy of protect yeah, 160 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.990 like secular human rights. Right, people would apply abortion to secular humorize. 161 00:10:39.029 --> 00:10:43.230 Yeah, I haven't encountered that really on the sidewalk. Maybe it's like 162 00:10:43.389 --> 00:10:46.269 that in some other areas or something. Mostly I think what we encounter, 163 00:10:46.789 --> 00:10:50.980 what I've encountered, is just individuals, the kind of have their own agenda 164 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:54.179 as far as people that cause problems. Right, thing, right, but 165 00:10:56.379 --> 00:11:01.419 kind of in the vein of talking about kind of the differences in the different 166 00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:05.850 ministries that can happen at an abortion center. MMM, as I prayed about 167 00:11:05.850 --> 00:11:09.929 this and thought about this over the years and my experience, I really kind 168 00:11:09.929 --> 00:11:15.450 of come to believe that this is again in the vein of what's helpful out 169 00:11:15.450 --> 00:11:16.970 there. There's some things that happen that are not helpful, right, the 170 00:11:18.090 --> 00:11:20.480 people that you know again, they're screaming ridiculous things and all of that. 171 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.120 But of what I've seen that that's helpful. That I think honors the Lord. 172 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:31.960 There's kind of two veins of people, of groups that are out here, 173 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.110 right, and so this is the way I view it. I could 174 00:11:33.110 --> 00:11:37.389 be wrong about this, but I think I'm correct. I think this is 175 00:11:37.509 --> 00:11:39.909 a way to look at it. And those two groups that I see is 176 00:11:39.990 --> 00:11:45.350 you have the prophetic group, and the term could be something different, but 177 00:11:45.549 --> 00:11:48.659 I think prophetic maybe along the lines of like street preachers, that sort of 178 00:11:48.740 --> 00:11:52.620 thing. Yeah, it's by the way, I am a street preacher kind 179 00:11:52.659 --> 00:11:58.659 of in my early walk with the Lord did some street preaching, a lot 180 00:11:58.700 --> 00:12:01.970 of street preaching. I love doing that. Don't disparage that. Praise God. 181 00:12:01.009 --> 00:12:05.009 God does that. Jesus was a street preacher. So it was John 182 00:12:05.009 --> 00:12:07.129 The baptist. Many of the men that we look at in the history of 183 00:12:07.129 --> 00:12:11.690 the Church Street preachers, the Wesley's and George Whitfield, those guests. So 184 00:12:13.769 --> 00:12:16.039 I'm thinking a lot of that van prophetic just because I know, when I'm 185 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.080 a brand new Christian, I really didn't understand what I do know now what 186 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:22.720 you mean by that. But what do you mean by that? When would 187 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.879 define it? What I don't mean by that is somebody that's, you know, 188 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:30.350 for telling the future. But well, think about prophetic. Is that's 189 00:12:30.389 --> 00:12:31.789 what I got? Prophecy? Yes, it's not what I mean. Yeah, 190 00:12:31.870 --> 00:12:35.990 what I do mean is someone that's just there, to the way I 191 00:12:37.110 --> 00:12:39.870 say it, to deliver God's mail. Okay's what the Prophet does. He 192 00:12:39.990 --> 00:12:43.419 delivers the mail. Yeah, he's got a job to do and that's just 193 00:12:43.659 --> 00:12:48.019 to come and deliver the mail and he could care less. He'll take the 194 00:12:48.139 --> 00:12:50.899 mail, this is an analogy, of course, and dump it on your 195 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:56.220 doorstep and leave and whether you open the mail or not, it's not his 196 00:12:56.700 --> 00:13:01.129 not his interest, right. His interest is to deliver God's Mail and you 197 00:13:01.289 --> 00:13:03.169 do with it, right, and that's the prophetic that's kind of like they 198 00:13:03.289 --> 00:13:07.250 just show up and they just do their thing and they just broadcast the truth. 199 00:13:07.850 --> 00:13:13.120 And this can, I'm not talking necessarily like aggressive or anything like that. 200 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.080 Can be a little maybe viewed as little more aggressive than maybe we would 201 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.440 want to be, but they're just there to deliver the truth. Yeah, 202 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:22.080 I would. I would add, and maybe I'm wrong about this, that 203 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:28.950 oftentimes that truth is convicting truth. It's often times not the easier truths, 204 00:13:28.070 --> 00:13:31.429 like God loves you so much. It's sometimes God loves you so much that 205 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:35.830 he expects you to do what he yes said. It's for you to what 206 00:13:35.990 --> 00:13:37.470 you want. You to repent as right, don't burn in Hell, right. 207 00:13:37.509 --> 00:13:41.779 Right. I mean. So it's it's often, it is often probably 208 00:13:41.820 --> 00:13:46.500 a strong message because it's a convicting yeah, message. I would say it's 209 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:54.580 confrontational. Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's it's purposefully confrontation. Right now, 210 00:13:54.620 --> 00:13:58.610 I'll say anytime light shows up to darkness, right, it's confrontational. 211 00:13:58.769 --> 00:14:05.330 So no matter how nice you are, how non confrontational you are. If 212 00:14:05.370 --> 00:14:09.960 you come to an abortion center as a believer in Jesus, you're in confrontation, 213 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:16.000 yes, but you're not purposely in confrontation. I will say those who 214 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.919 come in this kind of prophetic vein are coming with purposely to be confrontational. 215 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.389 They want to confront evil with the truth. And again they're just there to 216 00:14:26.509 --> 00:14:30.629 deliver the mail and not really interested it in. But I would say they're 217 00:14:30.629 --> 00:14:33.389 not interesting in that they don't care. They certainly do want people to come 218 00:14:33.429 --> 00:14:35.629 to know the Lord. Yeah, least the people I know. They're in 219 00:14:35.710 --> 00:14:39.419 this vein. Yeah, but they're not helping you open the mail. They're 220 00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:43.139 not. They're not helping you read it and figure out what's inside of it. 221 00:14:43.220 --> 00:14:46.179 They're just there to deliver the mail and listen. I Have God honors 222 00:14:46.220 --> 00:14:50.379 that I have seen again, for lack of a better term, the street 223 00:14:50.419 --> 00:14:56.250 preacher types show up preach, not they're not doing sidewall counseling, they're not 224 00:14:56.330 --> 00:15:00.450 doing you know really. I mean they might be handered out literature something like 225 00:15:00.529 --> 00:15:03.529 that, but for the most part they're just preaching and God uses that and 226 00:15:03.649 --> 00:15:09.799 babies have been saved. I've had people contact me that knew of a mom 227 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.360 that chose life for her baby because someone was out on a speaker just preaching. 228 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:18.639 Yeah, yeah, and that mom fell under conviction and chose life for 229 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.909 her baby. That I'm sure that's happened thousands of times. Right. It 230 00:15:22.110 --> 00:15:26.429 was a street preacher who convicted the person who led me to the Lord. 231 00:15:28.590 --> 00:15:31.350 That was how he came to the Lord. So, yeah, they're they 232 00:15:31.990 --> 00:15:37.700 they often do have great results. Yeah, I don't know often, but 233 00:15:37.899 --> 00:15:41.299 they but, like I said, it's not the results that thereafter, it's 234 00:15:41.379 --> 00:15:46.940 the convicting message that they are compelled like Jeremiah. Yeah, that I think 235 00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:50.610 of. Jeremiah was, you know that he was rejected. The people didn't 236 00:15:50.610 --> 00:15:54.809 even listen. He saw no through fruit for his entire Ministry of Ward Years, 237 00:15:54.210 --> 00:16:00.370 but he faithfully delivered the mail. He faithfully preached God's very kind of 238 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:06.039 harsh message to a very rebellious people. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so 239 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:07.879 that's that's one of the groups, yeah, that we see out at this 240 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.360 and and I've seen him too, and we have them, we have them 241 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.279 locally. Yeah, and again I want to try to impart to you guys 242 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:19.190 that are listening, a heart that I think is is the heart of God, 243 00:16:21.389 --> 00:16:26.750 which is that even though people aren't doing and saying exactly what we're doing 244 00:16:26.870 --> 00:16:32.389 and saying doesn't necessarily mean that they're wrong. We need to view things from 245 00:16:32.389 --> 00:16:36.820 a scriptural perspective, because one of the things that can happen if you're kind 246 00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:37.700 of in the vein that we are, which I'm going to touch on in 247 00:16:37.820 --> 00:16:41.139 just a minute, which is, I think, more evangelistic. Now, 248 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:45.220 I don't mean to imply that the prophetic type doesn't evangelize. They do, 249 00:16:45.820 --> 00:16:48.730 but if we're in along this vein do inside of all counseling, and someone 250 00:16:48.809 --> 00:16:52.450 comes along the street, preacher type and they're preaching, we can immediately get 251 00:16:52.490 --> 00:16:56.769 offended and want to try to just get rid of them and get them away 252 00:16:56.809 --> 00:16:59.649 from us. We don't want to be associated with that. And if we're 253 00:16:59.730 --> 00:17:03.720 honest about that and we're honest about why we don't want to be associated with 254 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.000 that, and we look at the Scripture and see that, okay, Jesus 255 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:14.279 confronted pretty forthrightly Jesus John The baptist, I mean Jesus said of men born 256 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:15.710 of men, there's no one greater than this guy, John the Baptist, 257 00:17:15.750 --> 00:17:22.950 and that guy certainly preached a prophetic message of repentance. Right. A lot 258 00:17:22.990 --> 00:17:30.539 of times our American Christian sensitivities are offended rather than then the Lord. Right. 259 00:17:30.700 --> 00:17:33.339 So if we're going to be offended at something, we need to be 260 00:17:33.420 --> 00:17:36.339 offended along the lines of the scripture, not along the lines of our Christian 261 00:17:36.380 --> 00:17:38.380 sensitivities. And if we're honest, we don't want to be associated with that 262 00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:42.019 because we don't want the world to look at US bad right, we don't 263 00:17:42.019 --> 00:17:45.849 want the world to look at us as judge or condemn me or whatever. 264 00:17:45.210 --> 00:17:49.369 Yeah, and so in reality we're more concerned about the way that we look 265 00:17:51.130 --> 00:17:52.930 then what the Bible said. Yeah, so boils down to a pride issue. 266 00:17:52.970 --> 00:17:56.569 Yeah, it, man, it really is. Yeah. Now, 267 00:17:56.609 --> 00:18:03.279 all of that to say that there are street preacher types that show up and 268 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.759 that, just like I described, are not honoring the Lord, and we 269 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.200 certainly don't want to be associated with that kind of garbage. We're the other 270 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:17.990 calling women horrors and there whatever, the other overthetop. Just you look at 271 00:18:17.990 --> 00:18:19.430 it and you know this is carnal, this comes from the flesh. This 272 00:18:19.549 --> 00:18:22.589 is not no motivated by the spirit of God, this is not just people 273 00:18:22.710 --> 00:18:29.140 trying to confront evil. This is people trying to probably confront the only evil 274 00:18:29.180 --> 00:18:32.019 they fill in their own heart. So they judge and condemn other people's because 275 00:18:32.019 --> 00:18:33.660 that's the same stuff they got going on in their own lives. Could be. 276 00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:38.579 So I just say that we need to look at what the Bible says, 277 00:18:38.779 --> 00:18:42.170 look at how the Scripture addresses these things, look at how look at 278 00:18:42.210 --> 00:18:48.450 the examples we have in scripture and judge based on that. Right. So, 279 00:18:48.609 --> 00:18:52.930 just because someone's a little harsher or a little softer than we are doesn't 280 00:18:52.970 --> 00:18:56.359 necessarily mean that they're wrong. Yeah, they're doing what the best they can 281 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:02.000 with the information they have to serve God. Same thing. We're doing best 282 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.480 we can with the information we have to serve God and honor and obey Him. 283 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.319 Yeah, one of the things I thought of while I was thinking about 284 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:14.230 this topic was that bad. I believe I am called by God to be 285 00:19:14.390 --> 00:19:18.789 there, but it's not like God is surprised that all these other people are 286 00:19:18.829 --> 00:19:25.099 there that maybe have very different approaches than I do. He could remove them 287 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:30.259 if he wanted to, and if he hasn't, perhaps there's a god ordained 288 00:19:30.579 --> 00:19:33.980 reason that they're there that I may not know. Yeah, I may never 289 00:19:34.099 --> 00:19:38.970 know. So, yeah, I do think examining your own heart, as 290 00:19:40.210 --> 00:19:42.369 as you look at these other groups out there, is really one of the 291 00:19:42.569 --> 00:19:47.009 first things you need to do if you're feeling anger or I just want to 292 00:19:47.049 --> 00:19:51.170 get rid of them. Really look deep inside yourself first. Yeah, and 293 00:19:51.529 --> 00:19:53.160 bringing it before the Lord, right, or something up with my heart, 294 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:56.519 yeah, rather than just well, they're not doing I'm doing so therefore they're 295 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.160 wrong. I leave right. So, but you so. You started with 296 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:06.880 there's the prophetic voice and that we might find that more grading on our nerves 297 00:20:07.230 --> 00:20:11.950 because we tend to, locally at least, train our people with what you 298 00:20:12.190 --> 00:20:15.710 describe as a more evangelistic voice. So what do you what do you mean 299 00:20:15.750 --> 00:20:18.269 by that? And what I mean by that again, is not that the 300 00:20:18.349 --> 00:20:22.900 prophetic folks aren't bringing the Gospel and not aren't evangelizing. They all right, 301 00:20:22.940 --> 00:20:27.099 right. What I really mean by that is I look at the Prophet, 302 00:20:27.579 --> 00:20:32.579 I look at John the Baptist as far as the prophetic, and look as 303 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:37.490 evangelistic. I'll look at Philip the evangelist, okay, and Philip the evangelists, 304 00:20:38.009 --> 00:20:45.410 and this is in acts and lives, acts Chapter Eight, okay, 305 00:20:45.210 --> 00:20:49.839 and Philip the evangelist is he's got, has used him in some area and 306 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:56.680 the Gospel's preached there. And then at one point he's a this is in 307 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.960 it's round. Acts Chapter Eight, Verse Twenty Six, and says the angel 308 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.390 of the Lord spoke to Philip, saying arise and go towards the South along 309 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:08.950 the road which goes up from Jerusalem to Gaza. This is desert, so 310 00:21:10.150 --> 00:21:11.789 he's in a desert area. So he rose and went and behold a man 311 00:21:11.910 --> 00:21:15.349 of Ethiopia. This is verse twenty seven. And Acts Chapter Eight. A 312 00:21:15.470 --> 00:21:21.259 Eunuch of great authority under candice, the Queen of the Ethiopians, who had 313 00:21:21.380 --> 00:21:25.099 charge of all her treasury, had come up to Jerusalem to worship. And 314 00:21:25.220 --> 00:21:29.380 so I'll sum of the story. He's traveling in his chariot and he had 315 00:21:29.420 --> 00:21:33.369 gone to Jerusalem. He was headed back, apparently to Ethiopia, where he 316 00:21:33.690 --> 00:21:38.450 was headed to Jerusalem anyway, and Philip, prompted by the Holy Spirit, 317 00:21:38.569 --> 00:21:45.730 goes alongside his chariot and finds that he's reading the scroll of Isaiah and he's 318 00:21:45.769 --> 00:21:48.359 reading he was a he was led as a sheep to the slaughter, as 319 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.759 a lamb before it shears. Is Silent. This is in acts, Chapter 320 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:57.160 Eight, verse Thirty Two. So he opened on his mouth. He was 321 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:03.069 in humiliation. In his humiliation, his justice was taken away. And who 322 00:22:03.069 --> 00:22:07.430 will declare his generation, for his life was taken from the earth. And 323 00:22:07.589 --> 00:22:14.190 so this is what this Ethiopian unit was reading. Philip ask him, Hey, 324 00:22:14.309 --> 00:22:17.220 man, you know what you're reading? I'm paraphrasing. He's like, 325 00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:19.539 how can I know unless somebody, lest somebody tells me. And so Philip 326 00:22:19.579 --> 00:22:23.619 kind of jumps up in the chariot with him and shares with him really what 327 00:22:23.779 --> 00:22:30.089 God saying and talks about Jesus and shares with him this scripture that you're reading. 328 00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:33.329 Is Talking about the Messiah, is talking about Jesus. And so what 329 00:22:33.369 --> 00:22:36.170 does he doing there? Again, like John The baptist, he's just delivering 330 00:22:36.210 --> 00:22:38.569 the mail. He dumps on your doorstep. You if you open it. 331 00:22:38.650 --> 00:22:42.250 That's between you and God. Philip the evangelist, he's actually hopping up in 332 00:22:42.289 --> 00:22:45.720 the chariot with the Ethiopen, helping him open the mail, showing him, 333 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:51.000 after he opens the mail, how to read the mail and then explaining what 334 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:53.359 he's reading. Right there. He relational. Listen, he he's Relat some 335 00:22:53.640 --> 00:23:00.269 sits next to him. He and ask questions, looks for the opportunity, 336 00:23:00.829 --> 00:23:06.869 find seeses upon the opportunity, then builds this relationship and is willing to get 337 00:23:06.950 --> 00:23:11.509 in the chariot with him and share truth. Yeah. Yeah, and ultimately 338 00:23:11.549 --> 00:23:15.019 he baptizes the guy. Yeah, and with the guy comes to the Lord 339 00:23:15.019 --> 00:23:19.819 and he baptizes him. So kind of what convey what I want to convey 340 00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:26.250 in those two things, is that relational nature that the the evangelist or I'd 341 00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:30.369 say in this analogy, the sidewalk counselor, is helping them open the mails. 342 00:23:30.450 --> 00:23:33.730 Want to have a conversation, yeah, with that mom that's going into 343 00:23:33.730 --> 00:23:38.130 the abortion center and breakdown the information? Yeah, and it might be. 344 00:23:38.410 --> 00:23:44.359 I mean I've seen these situations really play out where you've got the prophetic voice, 345 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:48.359 maybe on the microphone or from the sidewalk or whatever, is heralding the 346 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:52.839 message, and then you've got a sidewall counselor over there and the woman, 347 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.069 maybe she doesn't want to go and talk to the guy who's on the microphone 348 00:23:56.150 --> 00:23:59.029 whatever, but comes over and talks to the sidewalk counselor. And I've been 349 00:23:59.069 --> 00:24:02.230 able personally to spring board off. Do you know why he's saying what he's 350 00:24:02.230 --> 00:24:03.950 saying. Yeah, I don't need to disparage that guy and say I'm not 351 00:24:04.029 --> 00:24:07.269 with that guy. He's a little too loud and talk to me because I'm 352 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.500 nice and sweet. I need to disparage that guy. Yeah, all I 353 00:24:10.579 --> 00:24:11.700 need to do is say, Hey, do you hear what the Guy Saying? 354 00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:15.779 Exactly? So it's a want to know why he's talking. Yet. 355 00:24:15.859 --> 00:24:19.700 So it says a great relationship between these two different forces at on the sidewalk 356 00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:26.009 in that example you gave me, because really one is convicting a heart. 357 00:24:26.049 --> 00:24:30.490 We Know God is convicting Buddy. He's using that prophetic voice to convict that 358 00:24:30.609 --> 00:24:34.890 woman's heart, and then the woman is drawn to actually speak with and and 359 00:24:36.410 --> 00:24:41.920 dive a little further into the option of life with the more, yeah, 360 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:48.319 softer evangelistic approach and the relational approach. Absolutely, and that's a beautiful way 361 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.599 to look at it, because I think you had mentioned that you had a 362 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:56.950 scripture though, that that talks about how we can work together in and be 363 00:24:57.470 --> 00:25:03.309 being agreement and billion of course, this is along the lines of those who 364 00:25:03.309 --> 00:25:07.500 actually belonged to g Jesus. Definitely be a problem. Definitely there's if you're 365 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:08.900 dealing with people. They are not born a God. That's right, and 366 00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:14.900 there's contingent around even the Gospel, which which you will also you will face 367 00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:18.099 that and we actually talk about that a little bit later on in and hopefully 368 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:21.059 what we get to. But yeah, from time to time you may face 369 00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:22.410 that. But yeah, if you've got these two ministries going on, they 370 00:25:22.450 --> 00:25:26.930 can work hand in hand together, the Prophetic and the evangelistic ministry. There's 371 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:30.369 just has to be an understanding of kind of each other's roles and has to 372 00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:33.410 be in that has to be a mutual respect for each other. There does, 373 00:25:33.490 --> 00:25:37.200 and I really like how you laid out those two groups, because what 374 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.079 what I was even thinking while you were talking was how even I, who 375 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:45.640 have been out there a long time, do tend to get a little territorial 376 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.640 when a different voice comes out there. But what you just laid out was 377 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:55.390 an understanding of the intent behind those two different voices, and that alone gives 378 00:25:55.589 --> 00:25:59.829 more understanding so that I'm more able to then say, oh well, I 379 00:25:59.950 --> 00:26:03.309 kind of get where they're going and why they're doing that. It makes it, 380 00:26:03.109 --> 00:26:07.700 I don't know, easier for me to accept that they should be out 381 00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:10.019 there. Yeah, that's okay that they're out there. One of the things 382 00:26:10.059 --> 00:26:14.460 I say in our trainings is we're talking about relating to other prolife groups and 383 00:26:14.539 --> 00:26:17.579 other people of out there. Is You can honor people's efforts without agreeing with 384 00:26:17.660 --> 00:26:21.569 their methods. Yeah, and listen, there's all kinds of methods to do 385 00:26:21.769 --> 00:26:23.769 all kinds of things. You Talk About Sharing The Gospel, for example. 386 00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:27.009 Yeah, I think there's a good, solid, Biblical method of sharing the 387 00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:30.089 Gospel. I think Red Comfort's message. I think it's that. Yeah, 388 00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:33.599 that's why we use right, right, but there's other methods like the Romans 389 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:40.240 Road and excellence in evangelism and other things that are out there that God uses 390 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.960 to to bring people to him. Yeah, I'm not going to disparage those 391 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.039 methods. I may not use those methods, I may have some issues with 392 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:52.029 those methods, but at the end of the day I'm just like Paul. 393 00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:55.869 I think it was in Philippians where Paul says I'm rejoicing even if people share 394 00:26:55.910 --> 00:27:00.069 the Gospel, to try to disparage what I'm doing. Hey, I'm just 395 00:27:00.190 --> 00:27:03.900 happy the gospels being shared. We need to have an attitude of we're happy 396 00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:07.099 the people are out there and if we don't like their methods, necessarily. 397 00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:10.579 Yeah, doesn't necessarily mean their methods are wrong because you don't like them, 398 00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:14.140 right, but you can still honor their efforts. List and I know people 399 00:27:14.140 --> 00:27:17.529 who I would. I would not be doing things like they're doing them right, 400 00:27:18.569 --> 00:27:22.569 but they're committed and maybe some some of them should be committed to a 401 00:27:22.650 --> 00:27:26.529 local institution, but I still I mean there's a guy, and I think 402 00:27:26.569 --> 00:27:29.930 we've mentioned them on the podcast, who used to come out here to Charlotte 403 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:32.440 who, you know, I would I would tell people, I mean this 404 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.559 guy was committed. He would be there the first guy and then wanting to 405 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:40.880 be there and faithfully there, rain, sleet, Snow, hell, he's 406 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.430 there right now. He didn't necessarily give the greatest message. He was pretty 407 00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:48.630 pretty rotten to the people going in, sometimes rotten to our people right. 408 00:27:48.670 --> 00:27:52.990 Yeah, but the do was committed and even though he would be one of 409 00:27:53.029 --> 00:27:56.950 those that I would, you know, thankfully he's not been out there and 410 00:27:56.029 --> 00:27:59.779 we've kind of prayed him away and I'm glad for that. Yeah, but 411 00:27:59.859 --> 00:28:03.099 yet still I would would honor his efforts, even if I completely disagree with 412 00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:08.460 his methods. I would still honor his efforts because when the guy he doesn't 413 00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:11.980 know God. I can tell you that he's not born again, to though 414 00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:14.529 he does use some scripture and whatever. He just doesn't know the Lord. 415 00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:18.849 I would say he still he put some Christians, people that do know the 416 00:28:18.930 --> 00:28:22.170 Lord, to shame out of his commitment. Now I would say that he's 417 00:28:22.210 --> 00:28:27.160 committed and probably needs to be committed to a mental institution. But either way 418 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.200 the GAL was committed. So you can honor people's efforts. What I agree 419 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.359 with their methods and it comes, it really helps your heart to come from 420 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.839 that perspective of honor. But I want to read real quick and this is 421 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.109 for Romans Chapter Twelve. We'll read this passage and then there's some others that 422 00:28:42.190 --> 00:28:45.230 I think have to do with this. When we talk about this, is 423 00:28:45.589 --> 00:28:48.670 talking about people that actually know the Lord and the really centered around the Gospel. 424 00:28:49.869 --> 00:28:52.869 And this is Paul in Roma Chapter Twelve. He says, for I 425 00:28:52.990 --> 00:28:56.779 say that the grace given to me to everyone who is among you not to 426 00:28:56.859 --> 00:29:00.500 think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly. 427 00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:03.339 So let's not think just because we have a particular method and way of 428 00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:08.220 doing things that our method is better than others. Just because God has called 429 00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:12.009 us to something doesn't mean he's called us to something better. Sometimes that could 430 00:29:12.009 --> 00:29:15.809 be the case, but we need to come from a perspective of humility and 431 00:29:15.130 --> 00:29:19.289 know that we're no better than anyone else. We're just called to a particular 432 00:29:19.529 --> 00:29:25.279 particular area of ministry. So not to think of ourselves more highly than we 433 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.319 ought to. We're more Christian than they are or more loving than they are, 434 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.720 whether might be. Yeah, it says as God has dealt to each 435 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:37.279 one a measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, 436 00:29:37.630 --> 00:29:41.990 not all the members do the same thing or do the same function. 437 00:29:41.269 --> 00:29:45.950 So we, being many, are one body in Christ and individually members of 438 00:29:45.029 --> 00:29:48.789 one another. Having, then, gifts differing according to the grace that is 439 00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:52.299 given to us, let us use them. If Prophecy, then let us 440 00:29:52.299 --> 00:29:56.180 prophesy in proportion to our faith or ministry. Let us use it in our 441 00:29:56.220 --> 00:30:00.059 ministring. or He who teaches and teaching, he who exhorts and exhortation, 442 00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:04.980 he gives and Liberality, he who leads with diligence, he shows mercy, 443 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:10.369 with cheerfulness. So it's talking about these different facets of ministry and how these 444 00:30:10.410 --> 00:30:15.170 different facets of ministry can work together in the body of Christ right to bring 445 00:30:15.210 --> 00:30:18.490 glory to Jesus. Yeah, as we got to come from that perspective. 446 00:30:18.529 --> 00:30:23.119 Yeah, of course, remembering, I think we've said this to the whole 447 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.119 thing, that there are people that are going to come out on the sidewalk 448 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:33.680 prolife, people that are not helpful. Yeah, and there's gonna be times 449 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.589 that you're going to have to address those other groups. Yeah, and sometimes 450 00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:45.910 they're things like literally, they cause so much anger towards us that we're endangered. 451 00:30:47.150 --> 00:30:49.740 Yeah, it that it people want to come beat us up. Yeah, 452 00:30:49.940 --> 00:30:55.619 and and so you know that that has to be addressed and there is 453 00:30:56.339 --> 00:31:00.339 time and place. Yeah, for are addressing differences that you can't avoid. 454 00:31:00.339 --> 00:31:04.970 There will be differences that sometimes you absolutely do need to at some point address. 455 00:31:06.289 --> 00:31:10.369 But in front of the abortion centers at the best place too? Well, 456 00:31:10.410 --> 00:31:14.089 I would say typically it's not the best. But yeah, especially for 457 00:31:14.210 --> 00:31:15.730 going to be argue in methodology. Now, I do think that there are 458 00:31:15.809 --> 00:31:22.680 conversations between the you know, again the Prophetic and the evangelistic folks that are 459 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.559 centered around the Gospel. But there are still times where those those two groups 460 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:27.920 need to have conversations right and need to say hey, man, this is 461 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.869 not helpful what you're doing, and kind of lay out a case, lay 462 00:31:32.910 --> 00:31:36.829 it out biblically. I've had those conversations. I've had those conversation. People 463 00:31:36.829 --> 00:31:40.829 have had those conversations with me, but again, out in front of the 464 00:31:40.869 --> 00:31:42.549 abortion center. It's not the best place to do it. If you think 465 00:31:42.589 --> 00:31:47.619 about it from the perspective of a woman going into the abortion center, she's 466 00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:51.859 looking out on the sidewalk and we might think there's two, three, four, 467 00:31:52.059 --> 00:31:53.980 five groups, different groups of people out there. We kind of look 468 00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:56.619 at it maybe in that way because we know who they are for sure, 469 00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:01.170 got write t shirts on or whatever. Yeah, but that woman looking from 470 00:32:01.210 --> 00:32:06.410 that perspective over on the sidewalk, if we're fighting among ourselves, she didn't 471 00:32:06.410 --> 00:32:08.609 see several different groups. She sees one group of people and she sees that 472 00:32:08.730 --> 00:32:13.210 group of people arguing and fighting right and so what do we conveying to her? 473 00:32:13.410 --> 00:32:16.599 Yeah, we're basicying. We are filled with chaos, hatred, anger, 474 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:20.920 crisis, same as you, honey. Come on join us. Yeah, 475 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:22.960 we got nothing more to offer her than what she's already got going on 476 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.680 her life. That's a ask. Confusion, fighting, striving all that stuff 477 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.509 right. So that's why I think we need to be careful if we're going 478 00:32:30.509 --> 00:32:34.069 to talk about methodology and we're going to set people straight. And again, 479 00:32:34.109 --> 00:32:36.869 I think there are times where we need to set people straight. Yeah, 480 00:32:37.869 --> 00:32:40.789 I think it's best to do it away from the sidewalk and maybe coffee, 481 00:32:42.029 --> 00:32:45.420 maybe have breakfast, maybe have launch or, if nothing else, step over 482 00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:51.099 across the street or down the road a little bit or something like that and 483 00:32:51.220 --> 00:32:54.619 have that conversation so you're not fighting among yourselves out on the sidewalk in front 484 00:32:54.619 --> 00:32:58.690 of the abortion said Yeah, you're wait yess, that doesn't honor God. 485 00:32:58.970 --> 00:33:02.170 That's right. And your witness before the women that you want to come talk 486 00:33:02.250 --> 00:33:07.410 with you is one of calm, peace, all the things that she is 487 00:33:07.650 --> 00:33:10.849 not experiencing, because we've been told so many times that's what draws them over 488 00:33:12.009 --> 00:33:15.839 to us. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and so I think there is 489 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:22.319 in the scripture a model that we use and that we should use when we 490 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:27.710 encounter situations that that need to be addressed. Yeah, and I believe that's 491 00:33:27.910 --> 00:33:31.150 found in Matthew Chapter Eighteen, right in verse fifteen. And you know, 492 00:33:31.269 --> 00:33:34.670 you could say you can get real particular with this and say, well, 493 00:33:34.710 --> 00:33:38.950 this is Jesus talking to his disciples and he's really talking about a church context, 494 00:33:39.910 --> 00:33:43.980 in the church context, because he does talk about the church later on 495 00:33:44.059 --> 00:33:45.980 in this passage. Yeah, and I think you could, you could be 496 00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:50.299 right about that, that there is a context that Jesus is talking to. 497 00:33:50.420 --> 00:33:54.460 He's talking in particular about the local church and using the church structure to address 498 00:33:54.460 --> 00:33:58.890 a sin in people. But I think there is a general principle here that 499 00:33:58.970 --> 00:34:00.690 can be applied even a sidewalk ministry, in any other kind of ministry, 500 00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:07.289 and just can be replied relationally. Are Be applied relationally in in your interactions 501 00:34:07.329 --> 00:34:10.039 with brothers and sisters in the Lord that may not necessarily be in your local 502 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.920 church. Yeah, our pastor made the point this this past Sunday, which 503 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.280 struck me, that if you look at Matthew Eighteen in a red letter Bible, 504 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:23.000 it's almost all read. Yeah, there's like two portions very brief scripture 505 00:34:23.389 --> 00:34:28.829 that's black. Yeah, and those are both Jesus asking questions. Are Actually 506 00:34:28.829 --> 00:34:34.510 it wasn't Jesus, it was the the black portion of text. Are Are 507 00:34:34.829 --> 00:34:38.260 people asking questions and then Jesus is responding and the whole chapter is in read. 508 00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:44.619 Yeah, because it's Jesus responding, and his response throughout chapter eighteen is 509 00:34:44.739 --> 00:34:49.579 relational. It all has to do with human beings relating to one another because 510 00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:55.130 it's such a source of conflict so frequently, and Jesus addresses that very specifically 511 00:34:55.449 --> 00:35:00.489 throughout that chapter. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, here in Matthew, 512 00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:02.849 Chapter Eighteen, Verse Fifteen, it says, moreover, if your brother 513 00:35:02.969 --> 00:35:07.480 sends against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. 514 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.440 And so if you've got an issue, I think the application on the 515 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.559 sidewalk is you got an issue with another brother in the Lord that needs to 516 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.960 be addressed, then address it between you and them. Don't get on your 517 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.750 microphone and preach it to everybody else. Yeah, don't yell it out across 518 00:35:24.789 --> 00:35:29.710 the parking lot or cross the driveway or would ever. Go and address it 519 00:35:30.070 --> 00:35:32.349 between you and them. Don't argue it out there on the sidewalk back and 520 00:35:32.469 --> 00:35:37.820 forth. Take them after maybe after the ministry is over for the days. 521 00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:38.619 Ay, brother, I need to talk to you about something. Yeah, 522 00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:43.099 or shoot them a text. Hey I got I got something I need to 523 00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:45.860 talk to you about. Are you available for call fee or can we meet 524 00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:50.090 a little earlier. Yeah, don't gossip about that person with others, which 525 00:35:50.130 --> 00:35:53.690 I think is we all maybe have the tendency to do that. Yeah, 526 00:35:53.769 --> 00:35:58.769 or sometimes, well, couch it by, Hey, I really need prayer, 527 00:35:59.010 --> 00:36:01.929 and then, rare for that, Start Gossiping, go, spill all 528 00:36:02.010 --> 00:36:07.159 the dirt about this other human being. I think obviously this especially applies to 529 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.119 people that are in the ministry year end. So right, love life. 530 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.599 For example, our local volunteers. We tell our local volunteers if you got 531 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.360 a problem with another volunteer, yeah, do not bring it to us. 532 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:22.150 Yeah, at all. You don't want to hear that problem right until you've 533 00:36:22.150 --> 00:36:24.630 addressed it with them. After you've addressed it with them and you've dealt with 534 00:36:24.670 --> 00:36:29.309 it between you and them and there's been no change, yeah, then it 535 00:36:29.389 --> 00:36:32.539 kind of can be escalated to write talking to us and then we'll address it 536 00:36:32.980 --> 00:36:36.900 with you and them, which is what Matthew eighteen goes on to tell us. 537 00:36:36.980 --> 00:36:40.539 And there's any ongoing versus. So we're trying to approach any kind of 538 00:36:40.860 --> 00:36:46.849 conflict through a biblical resolution. The way this is. This is this is 539 00:36:46.889 --> 00:36:53.329 a biblical method of reconciliation. Yep, how to reconcile with somebody. Yeah, 540 00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:58.650 and so, Rather Than Gossiping about them, rather than giving it as 541 00:36:58.690 --> 00:37:02.119 a prayer request on facebook. Right, right, you address it between you 542 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.199 and them. Yes, now he does say if they if he says, 543 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.119 if you hear or if he hears you, you have gained your brother. 544 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.199 But if he will not hear you take with you one or two more. 545 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.159 So there's when you kind of escalate it to the next level. Let's take 546 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.710 one or two more people. And I think the point here is that if 547 00:37:19.750 --> 00:37:22.949 you can't find one or two more people that agree with you, then maybe 548 00:37:22.989 --> 00:37:24.630 you're the one that's in the wrong. Right now, let me ask you, 549 00:37:24.710 --> 00:37:28.389 because I may be remembering this wrong. Does it say one or two 550 00:37:28.550 --> 00:37:31.739 more witnesses? I know it just says take one or two more with you. 551 00:37:32.139 --> 00:37:35.340 Okay, by the mouth, so they don't know. He does say 552 00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:37.460 by the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word may be established. 553 00:37:37.579 --> 00:37:40.539 So I'm just I was just wondering. I've read that many times and I 554 00:37:40.659 --> 00:37:44.329 was just wondering. Does that mean? It should be someone who has seen 555 00:37:44.369 --> 00:37:51.929 the same thing so that you're you're not just gathering a posse against someone, 556 00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:57.170 but you actually have people who who can agree with you because they've seen it 557 00:37:57.329 --> 00:38:00.800 themselves. I mean, I think it could mean that. I don't necessarily 558 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.480 know that it has to mean that. I think more the two or three 559 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:08.159 witnesses is applied to when you go in confront this person again, you've got 560 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:13.869 witnesses to that confrontation. See, okay, but it could mean someone else 561 00:38:13.909 --> 00:38:16.190 who's been a party to this behavior could be and I think that might be 562 00:38:16.349 --> 00:38:21.550 the best yeah, but I don't think it necessarily has to be. And 563 00:38:21.909 --> 00:38:25.110 of course I guess that can be open for other people's interpretation. But in 564 00:38:25.230 --> 00:38:30.059 my mind the way that this is play out in particular in our context is 565 00:38:30.099 --> 00:38:31.940 if there's someone that's out there the saying and doing things that don't honor the 566 00:38:32.059 --> 00:38:37.619 Lord, I'm going to address them myself if I see it, and if 567 00:38:37.659 --> 00:38:40.300 they don't listen, if there's no change that, I'll probably go and bring 568 00:38:40.420 --> 00:38:45.250 another brother with me who I might even go and get my pastor, and 569 00:38:45.409 --> 00:38:50.289 we talked to him and then if it doesn't change, then I think you 570 00:38:50.369 --> 00:38:53.409 are, in this context, Pretty Limited, because it goes on to talk 571 00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:55.599 about bringing it before the church, like if they don't listen, then you 572 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.360 bring it before the Church and basically you treat that person like an unbeliever. 573 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.519 Right, we can only take this application of this scripture so far in the 574 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:06.760 context that we're talking to, because we're not in the context of local church 575 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.559 and we can't say that person is no longer a part of this church. 576 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.829 You know, again do that because, after all, we're talking mostly about 577 00:39:13.829 --> 00:39:15.269 people. They're not a part of the ministry that you're involved in any way 578 00:39:15.429 --> 00:39:19.349 right now. Do you think if they're part of the ministry you're involved in, 579 00:39:19.389 --> 00:39:22.829 if they're a part of love life and they're not listening to you and 580 00:39:22.869 --> 00:39:27.059 they're not listening to another person's part of love life, there's obviously a conversation 581 00:39:27.219 --> 00:39:30.019 needs to be had about kicking that person out because they're not abiding by our 582 00:39:30.059 --> 00:39:34.500 code of conduct right which is in place for this very reason? Yes, 583 00:39:34.780 --> 00:39:37.730 yeah, but I do think again, and not not that there's a direct 584 00:39:37.730 --> 00:39:42.570 application of the scripture in every way, but I think there's a general principle 585 00:39:42.730 --> 00:39:45.530 that if you've got an issue with someone, you need to address it between 586 00:39:45.570 --> 00:39:49.010 you and them and then, if they don't listen the you need to take 587 00:39:49.050 --> 00:39:52.000 someone notes with you. Yeah, and hopefully, and I've seen this play 588 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.599 out, that there's some resolve here. There's some at least some agreement here. 589 00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.400 Yeah, yeah, and the mutual understanding that we're out here to honor 590 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.239 the Lord. That's right, we're there. And that's how it ends in 591 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.590 in verse Seventeen, where it says for where to let's see again, I 592 00:40:07.670 --> 00:40:10.869 say to you of two of you agree on Earth about anything that they may 593 00:40:10.909 --> 00:40:14.429 ask, it shall be done for them by my father, who's in heaven. 594 00:40:14.469 --> 00:40:16.710 For where two or three have gathered together in my name, I'm there 595 00:40:16.750 --> 00:40:22.579 in their midst. So that's the positive kind of carrot at the end of 596 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:30.139 of doing a biblical approach to reconciliation is we not only honor God, but 597 00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:36.130 there he is right with us in the midst of a really important ministry, 598 00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:39.769 yes, standing right next to us. Yeah, the overarching theme of any 599 00:40:39.849 --> 00:40:45.050 of this is that we want to honor Jesus. Right, we want to 600 00:40:45.130 --> 00:40:49.289 honor Jesus, and that should be our motivation. Yeah, and there's a 601 00:40:49.329 --> 00:40:53.239 scripture. It goes on in that Romans twelve is actually a good chapter on 602 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:59.840 unity in Romans Eighteen, as it talks about unity. You know, he 603 00:40:59.960 --> 00:41:02.199 just talked about the body of Christ in these different parts of the body of 604 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.829 Christ working together. Right and verse eighteen, he says, if it is 605 00:41:07.949 --> 00:41:14.389 possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 606 00:41:14.869 --> 00:41:19.699 HMM. So, from our standpoint as believers in Jesus, as those who 607 00:41:19.699 --> 00:41:22.500 want to honor the Lord in as much as we are able to, let's 608 00:41:22.539 --> 00:41:27.139 be at peace with all men. We're not out there just to be contentious 609 00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:30.980 and we're not out there just to push our way in our methodology. Our 610 00:41:31.059 --> 00:41:36.170 motivation should be to honor the Lord Jesus, and sometimes it's going to take 611 00:41:36.210 --> 00:41:40.090 us swallow in our pride. Sometimes it's going to take us allowing things or 612 00:41:40.489 --> 00:41:45.369 being subjected to things we don't necessarily like, like methodologies that we don't agree 613 00:41:45.409 --> 00:41:51.360 with or whatever, but just going to have to suck it up sometimes. 614 00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:55.039 Yeah, if there's a way to get people that are genuinely not honoring the 615 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.800 Lord off the sidewalk, then okay, I think you put it to prayer, 616 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:01.110 you put it in the Lord's hands and all of that. You take 617 00:42:01.110 --> 00:42:06.510 authority of the atmosphere. But again, just because they're not doing things like 618 00:42:06.630 --> 00:42:09.630 you doesn't necessarily mean they're dishonoring the Lord Right. May just be dishonoring your 619 00:42:09.670 --> 00:42:15.179 sensitivities right, and if you can live peaceably with them, what a witness 620 00:42:15.300 --> 00:42:19.619 that is for the people who so desperately need to know the Lord. Who 621 00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:23.219 Don't thought most of the pro choice people out there. Yeah, certainly many, 622 00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:27.980 if not all, of the women going into a board. So your 623 00:42:28.099 --> 00:42:32.050 our witness, is harmed when we're fighting and when we, even despite so 624 00:42:32.170 --> 00:42:38.369 many differences, can come together peacefully for a the same purpose, that is 625 00:42:38.530 --> 00:42:44.480 a it truly does point others you know God. It makes them desire to 626 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.199 know him better. Yeah, and that's, as we wrap this thing up, 627 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.000 what Jesus is talking about in John, chapter seventeen, right when Jesus 628 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:53.400 is praying, and that's one of our goals. Is Love, life. 629 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:59.510 Is that we want to see John Seventeen. Unity, Jesus says. Father, 630 00:42:59.590 --> 00:43:01.230 I pray that they may be one, as you and I are one, 631 00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:06.429 that the world may believe that you sent me exact our oneness are our 632 00:43:06.590 --> 00:43:09.070 unity in the body of Christ, with all of our different methodologies and and 633 00:43:09.550 --> 00:43:14.619 denominations and all that stuff, we come together around the glory of Jesus Christ. 634 00:43:15.219 --> 00:43:19.539 As much as we might disagree on certain points, we can be unified 635 00:43:20.099 --> 00:43:24.019 around really the heart of God and around the person of Jesus Christ, and 636 00:43:24.219 --> 00:43:30.010 that brings glory to him. And it's evangelism that they might believe. And 637 00:43:30.210 --> 00:43:32.650 so is in as much, guys, as you're listening, in as much 638 00:43:32.650 --> 00:43:37.170 as it depends on you. As the Scripture says, strive for unity, 639 00:43:37.289 --> 00:43:43.320 live at peace with all men and and I believe God will honor that. 640 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:49.519 And so I think we're wrap this. We wrap this podcast. That was 641 00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:53.519 it. That was a really wonderful message, I think, because it's it's 642 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:58.869 just such a constant issue. Yeah, and to look at it from the 643 00:43:58.989 --> 00:44:06.429 perspective of this is yet another opportunity to evangelize. Hurting world is through how 644 00:44:06.590 --> 00:44:10.539 we respond to people that we don't necessarily agree with. Yeah, yeah, 645 00:44:10.780 --> 00:44:15.460 I agree. Well, guys, I appreciate you listening and hope that this 646 00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:17.420 was a blessing you. Hope it was an encouragement to you and, as 647 00:44:17.460 --> 00:44:20.980 always, encourage you guys to reach out to us. 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