Dealing with Angry People

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.150 Lord, I am you. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:10.269 --> 00:00:13.230 If you do ministry at an abortion center on any kind of a regular 4 00:00:13.269 --> 00:00:16.670 basis, you're going to encounter angry people from time to time. There are 5 00:00:16.789 --> 00:00:19.829 some helpful and productive ways to deal with those kinds of people. So join 6 00:00:19.910 --> 00:00:29.059 it says we talk about it. I felt show passish, touch your heart. 7 00:00:31.460 --> 00:00:38.090 Use Me. Welcome to the Gospel sent a pro life podcast. As 8 00:00:38.130 --> 00:00:42.289 always, we appreciate you guys, joining us and we hope that these episodes 9 00:00:42.329 --> 00:00:46.570 are blessing to you. We're trying to do over the past several weeks some 10 00:00:46.810 --> 00:00:51.560 more in depth training and equipping, speaking out of our experiences and going along 11 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.000 the lines of our training that we have available for folks. If you want 12 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.600 to take advantage of that training, we still do that once a month, 13 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:02.719 first Saturday of every month, from two PM to four PM. We may 14 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:04.750 be changing that in the future, but for now that's that's in place. 15 00:01:06.109 --> 00:01:07.909 If you want to get involved in that, maybe you're in a city where 16 00:01:07.909 --> 00:01:12.469 we have a missionary. Hopefully your missionary is already sent us your information and 17 00:01:12.549 --> 00:01:17.189 connected us with you to get trained. But if you're in a city where 18 00:01:17.230 --> 00:01:21.019 love life is and you don't yet know what we're talking about or you have 19 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:23.579 not yet taken advantage of our training, we certainly would encourage you to do 20 00:01:23.739 --> 00:01:26.260 that. You could reach out to me if you wanted to, Daniel love 21 00:01:26.299 --> 00:01:30.540 life doubt war, or I'll send you the appropriate application. Or again, 22 00:01:30.579 --> 00:01:32.859 if you're in a city where there's a love life missionary, just reach out 23 00:01:32.890 --> 00:01:34.930 to them. If you're in a city where there's not yet a love life 24 00:01:36.010 --> 00:01:40.090 presence, we still do make our training available. That would mean that you're 25 00:01:40.129 --> 00:01:42.969 under love life or anything like that, but we just think that we have 26 00:01:42.129 --> 00:01:46.209 some wisdom that we can impart too folks that are on the sidewalk or folks 27 00:01:46.250 --> 00:01:51.599 that are just getting involved in ministry on the sidewalks, and so we would 28 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:55.560 as long as you check a few boxes for us and fit in the the 29 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.359 criteria of people were looking for, which basically believers in Jesus who want to 30 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:02.790 serve the Lord in that capacity and are under the leadership of a local church, 31 00:02:04.430 --> 00:02:07.629 then will will invite you, singing invitation, after you feel out the 32 00:02:07.670 --> 00:02:10.229 application, to that training. So just wanted to mention that and what we're 33 00:02:10.270 --> 00:02:14.509 doing in these past couple of episodes have been along the lines of that, 34 00:02:14.830 --> 00:02:19.300 the framework of that training, taking the slides that we present in that training, 35 00:02:19.340 --> 00:02:21.659 and if you've been a part of that training you know exactly what I'm 36 00:02:21.699 --> 00:02:25.259 talking about. If you have not, we basically have a keynote or powerpoint 37 00:02:25.300 --> 00:02:29.460 presentation that we go through and just touch on some of these things. We 38 00:02:29.699 --> 00:02:32.849 have probably a few minutes per slide really, because we can't just go on 39 00:02:34.009 --> 00:02:39.729 forever, and so we get into some basic stuff and some some pretty indepth 40 00:02:39.810 --> 00:02:44.319 stuff, but this is us kind of really taken a deeper dive into each 41 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.400 one of those slides. And this is a little out of order than what 42 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.960 we normally do, but this subject came up with some of our missionaries and 43 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.879 in some of our various cities they're dealing with angry people and and really tall 44 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.949 grief. Yeah, some pretty angry people. So we're going to talk about 45 00:03:00.270 --> 00:03:05.629 how we, as ministers of the Gospel, people that Love Truth and want 46 00:03:05.629 --> 00:03:08.509 to stand for truth, but people who also want to obey what the Scripture 47 00:03:08.550 --> 00:03:12.900 says, that we should be gentle and meek, humble and all of that. 48 00:03:15.139 --> 00:03:16.580 We're going to talk about how we deal with people when they're angry, 49 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:23.379 how we do that biblically. Yeah, so let's let's jump into a Vicky 50 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:28.250 yeah, what? What kind of people are we talking about? I mean 51 00:03:28.289 --> 00:03:30.250 this is like a no brainer for you guys that are listening. Of course 52 00:03:30.289 --> 00:03:34.289 you're thinking, well, it's the people going into the abortion center that are 53 00:03:34.330 --> 00:03:38.050 angry. But, yeah, is it always the moms that are going into 54 00:03:38.050 --> 00:03:40.050 the abortion center that we're dealing with who are angry at us for being there? 55 00:03:40.129 --> 00:03:44.800 Yeah, sometimes, but not always. In fact, I would say 56 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:52.639 more frequently it's the driver, a boyfriend, a friend who is trying to 57 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.669 defend the mom is often already in when the people who came brought her or 58 00:03:57.750 --> 00:04:03.270 whatever, come over and are angry on her behalf. Yeah, often times 59 00:04:03.310 --> 00:04:09.430 it's the socalled pro choice people out there that are angry. Sometimes it's even 60 00:04:09.430 --> 00:04:13.259 passer by. Some we've doubt. We don't. Today with a man who 61 00:04:13.419 --> 00:04:16.500 was driving past, didn't like what we were doing and wanted to express his 62 00:04:16.660 --> 00:04:20.220 anger at what we were doing. So it can be anyone. This is 63 00:04:20.579 --> 00:04:29.730 this is a high tension situation. Yeah, and people have strong opinions about 64 00:04:29.730 --> 00:04:41.279 abortion and the socalled pro choice movement. So they can be easily ignited. 65 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.279 You know, emotions, feelings can be easily ignited. Yeah, over the 66 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:51.079 subject. So basically it can be anyone, but but particularly literally the people 67 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:55.389 that are involved in the actual abortion, the mother of the friends who have 68 00:04:55.509 --> 00:04:58.589 brought it. Those are probably the most frequent. Yeah, and I think 69 00:04:58.709 --> 00:05:01.949 probably in my experience, I would say definitely agree with you, it's very 70 00:05:01.990 --> 00:05:06.110 seldom and my experience that it is the mother going into for the abortion right 71 00:05:06.379 --> 00:05:12.300 because she's she's dead set on the abortion. She's going to go in typically 72 00:05:12.420 --> 00:05:15.860 not even respond. Yeah, if you know, either she's going to respond 73 00:05:15.899 --> 00:05:19.500 positively or typically she's going to just go into the abortion center. Now there 74 00:05:19.540 --> 00:05:23.810 are times, of course, I think, being out there as many years 75 00:05:23.810 --> 00:05:28.689 as we have that I've seen angry mothers, but often times it's either the 76 00:05:28.810 --> 00:05:33.329 father of the baby or it's a friend or family member, something like that, 77 00:05:34.410 --> 00:05:38.720 like what you mentioned. And I do want to say that when it 78 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:44.439 is the pro choice the socalled pro choice people, we have seen. You 79 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.000 pointed this out and I think it is so true. It is most evident 80 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:57.310 following some sort of political or social event that they didn't like at pretty I 81 00:05:57.470 --> 00:06:00.509 know when trump was selected, there was a lot, yea of anger, 82 00:06:00.670 --> 00:06:06.060 and the anger escalated. So or when there's a shooting that they feel is 83 00:06:06.100 --> 00:06:14.180 unjust, certainly a police shooting, then we do see them take it out 84 00:06:14.180 --> 00:06:18.370 on us, even though we have nothing to do with with those events really. 85 00:06:19.129 --> 00:06:24.089 But, but, but it's you know, it helps to be aware 86 00:06:24.129 --> 00:06:27.649 of the news in a sense, because you will come knowing, well, 87 00:06:27.730 --> 00:06:30.810 there's probably going to be some heightened tension out here because of these events. 88 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:35.480 Yeah, and I think it's even though we might want to kind of push 89 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:40.439 people's buttons, we do have to be careful, you like with the blm 90 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.120 stuff, the black lives matter stuff, and police shootings. Like I think 91 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.920 there is you know, the Bible says, I think I've quoted this scripture 92 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.029 a lot, the Bible says that if we bless our brother early in the 93 00:06:49.069 --> 00:06:54.670 morning loudly, it will be perceived as a curse. So is there a 94 00:06:54.790 --> 00:06:58.790 time and an appropriate time to point out some of the I mean the targeting 95 00:06:58.870 --> 00:07:01.100 of Plant Parenthood against black people? And you know, if black lives truly 96 00:07:01.139 --> 00:07:04.620 do matter, why would we support plan parenthood? Yeah, I think absolutely 97 00:07:04.660 --> 00:07:08.579 we need to point that out. Yeah, but right after there was a 98 00:07:08.660 --> 00:07:13.500 police shooting that many people's perception is that was unjust or whatever. Whether or 99 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:16.529 not it was unjust, that can be talked about in some other setting. 100 00:07:16.529 --> 00:07:19.970 But out in front of the abortion center and calling out to black women going 101 00:07:20.009 --> 00:07:24.529 into the abortion center about you know, if you care about George Floyd, 102 00:07:24.649 --> 00:07:27.970 then you know you should care about the babies or dine or your baby. 103 00:07:28.050 --> 00:07:32.160 That's like right, you're poking a bear unnecessarily. Yeah, right. Even 104 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:38.480 what you wear, and this did come up once, where things that you 105 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:44.000 would never think about, someone wearing a shirt that said baby slife's matter, 106 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.750 and that seems like, well, of course baby slife's matter. Why would 107 00:07:46.790 --> 00:07:51.430 that anger anyone? But it set off a lot of people that became very 108 00:07:51.550 --> 00:07:59.139 angry about that because they felt it was a slam and a misunderstanding of the 109 00:07:59.300 --> 00:08:05.100 depth of their anger over other issues. Yeah, and and so we, 110 00:08:05.339 --> 00:08:09.379 I think in general, we really want to avoid those sorts of things, 111 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:15.730 just day away from them. Our mission is not to change the culture while 112 00:08:15.850 --> 00:08:20.610 we're out there regarding all these other issues. Yeah, our ministry is to 113 00:08:20.370 --> 00:08:24.610 hopefully save that unborn child. Yeah. So now, of course there's a 114 00:08:24.810 --> 00:08:28.680 there's a context for all of that and there's necessary conversations the need to be 115 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:33.679 had over all of that. Yeah, and as far as changing the culture 116 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.200 is concerned, we certainly do want to change the culture of death to a 117 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.240 culture of life. But on the sidewalk in front of the abortion center, 118 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:45.190 we're dealing with individual women, individual people going in. Yeah, that we 119 00:08:45.389 --> 00:08:48.110 want to have a oneonone conversation with. I think we've said it and made 120 00:08:48.110 --> 00:08:52.230 it very clear and are calling out training session or episode that we did, 121 00:08:52.429 --> 00:08:56.659 getting a little more in depth of that, that the goal of calling out 122 00:08:56.820 --> 00:09:00.940 is not just delivering information. It's certainly not just to be provocative and provoke 123 00:09:01.059 --> 00:09:05.299 people to anger. It's to provoke them to thought so that they would actually 124 00:09:05.340 --> 00:09:07.940 come and talk with us. Yes, now, I think that leads to 125 00:09:07.019 --> 00:09:11.210 it to one of the first points and maybe principles, and I could be 126 00:09:11.250 --> 00:09:13.529 jumping ahead of us just a little bit and kind of what we're talking about, 127 00:09:15.250 --> 00:09:20.809 but the principle of setting the tone with your tone. Yeah, right, 128 00:09:20.850 --> 00:09:24.519 so when you're calling out to people going into the abortion center and you're 129 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.200 calling out in some angry or accusatory tone, and we all know what that 130 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:33.039 sounds like. Yeah, right, we've all we've all had our mom when 131 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.679 we were a kid, called out to us, did you clean your room? 132 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.950 And it's accusatory. It's not a question, it's accusatory, right or 133 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:41.789 whatever. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. You know the tone 134 00:09:43.830 --> 00:09:48.429 that provokes you to anger or offense or just being aggravated, right, and 135 00:09:48.549 --> 00:09:54.139 so being careful not to come across with that tone. Now we can get 136 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:58.740 into I'm not trying to be Nitpicky, I'm not trying trying to be personally 137 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:01.860 like Mamsie pamsy like. We need to be bold, we need to speak 138 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:05.100 with boldness, we need to speak with confidence. I think that's an important 139 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:09.409 or important aspect of our tone, that it's a confident tone. Yeah, 140 00:10:09.850 --> 00:10:13.889 but our goal is to get them to come over and talk with us, 141 00:10:13.929 --> 00:10:16.090 and so we have to think what would lend itself, what kind of tone, 142 00:10:16.889 --> 00:10:22.519 what words would lend itself, lend themselves so someone actually stopping and coming 143 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.840 over and talking with us, rather than stopping and coming over and trying to 144 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.600 beat so exactly so, so, yet not not being accusatory and being inviting 145 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.990 and gentle and kind, and the Bible certainly talks about that. Our tone. 146 00:10:35.110 --> 00:10:39.230 We are to speak truth. Yeah, but you can speak truth in 147 00:10:39.590 --> 00:10:45.509 in in a manner of love and compassion, and one of the things that 148 00:10:45.750 --> 00:10:50.700 I have certainly discovered, and I'm still not as good at it as I 149 00:10:50.860 --> 00:10:56.899 wish I were, but when I ask questions as opposed to lecture. Yeah, 150 00:10:56.899 --> 00:11:00.659 and I know I'm not really there lecturing, and I'm not saying our 151 00:11:00.700 --> 00:11:05.409 counselors are lecturing, right, I'm saying that that's how it's perceived sometimes. 152 00:11:05.450 --> 00:11:13.049 If we're just listening off a whole bunch of truth and they someone can feel 153 00:11:13.570 --> 00:11:18.639 like it's a lecture and that's usually not as well received in my experience, 154 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.960 as when we ask a lot of questions. Yeah, asking questions help them 155 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.399 to draw their own conclusion and if you ask the right questions based on truth, 156 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.750 based on Biblical truth, they're going to hopefully come to the conclusion that 157 00:11:33.909 --> 00:11:37.429 is the biblical right. Yeah, inclusion, that certainly how you want to 158 00:11:37.549 --> 00:11:39.870 tailor your questions. Yeah. Well, one of the questions that you ask 159 00:11:39.990 --> 00:11:43.029 a lot for women going into the abortions in or in kind of the calling 160 00:11:43.070 --> 00:11:46.860 out scenario, but also in the one on one right, is what would 161 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:50.460 God have you do? Yeah, what are you? What are you communicating 162 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:54.419 in that where you're communicating. I mean it's a given. Of course. 163 00:11:54.620 --> 00:11:58.419 What would God have you do? He would have you to keep your baby, 164 00:11:58.500 --> 00:12:03.210 to protect your baby. Yeah, but you're not accusing them necessarily, 165 00:12:03.250 --> 00:12:05.769 right. You're putting it on them. What would God have you do? 166 00:12:05.850 --> 00:12:09.049 You're putting your planting that seed of like they need to steal on this and 167 00:12:09.129 --> 00:12:11.289 think on this. Rather than saying God would never have you kill your baby, 168 00:12:11.370 --> 00:12:13.850 you're saying what would God have you do? Right now, I'm more 169 00:12:13.889 --> 00:12:18.200 inclined to say God would never want you to go in there and take the 170 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.519 life of your baby. That's what I'm more inclined to say. Yeah, 171 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.639 but I do like that asking question. I've been the calling out or in 172 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.279 the one on one I think it is harder to ask the questions because I 173 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.669 also sometimes do say that God would never have any mother take the life of 174 00:12:33.750 --> 00:12:37.389 her child. I know I say that frequently, but I am more aware 175 00:12:37.190 --> 00:12:41.309 that if I if I phrase that instead as a question, it is less 176 00:12:41.509 --> 00:12:48.379 likely to ignite anger and defensiveness because it it feels to them I'm not accusing 177 00:12:48.419 --> 00:12:52.940 in a sense. Actually, probably sometimes I am, but it feels like 178 00:12:52.059 --> 00:12:58.179 an accusation. Yeah, and and whenever we accuse, that's going to they're 179 00:12:58.179 --> 00:13:01.169 going to be defensive. Yeah, we all are. We all are when 180 00:13:01.210 --> 00:13:05.330 we're when we're accused or think we're accused of something. Yeah. So, 181 00:13:05.129 --> 00:13:11.610 in addition to the asking questions, is in your responses, because they're going 182 00:13:11.610 --> 00:13:16.960 to answer and don't dismiss those responses. Yeah, expressing concern, compassion, 183 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.440 you talk a lot about in our slide, showing our our training to show 184 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.590 compassion. Yeah, and not fake compassion, true compassion. Rightly try, 185 00:13:28.149 --> 00:13:33.110 yeah, to understand from their perspective. Yeah, I know. I do 186 00:13:33.269 --> 00:13:37.029 want to say, just as we're touching on these things, yeah, that 187 00:13:37.830 --> 00:13:43.340 it doesn't matter and there's some scenarios and it doesn't matter how nice, how 188 00:13:43.419 --> 00:13:46.179 kind your tone is, it doesn't. I mean, I've seen people come 189 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:50.580 over to grandmalls that are just they are praying on the sidewalk, not saying 190 00:13:50.820 --> 00:13:56.250 anything, but praying on the sidewalk. Ye, be confronted by some angry 191 00:13:56.289 --> 00:13:58.730 person. Your presence out there, I think this is an understanding we have 192 00:13:58.850 --> 00:14:03.049 to have, is your presence just standing there, like those women going in. 193 00:14:03.690 --> 00:14:07.450 Many of them feel the conviction, they feel the guilt, and that 194 00:14:07.769 --> 00:14:13.679 conviction. That guilt, obviously, is about their accountability before God. They 195 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.879 know that they're accountable to God. They're angry with God, they're angry with 196 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.399 themselves, and your presence there is a representation of the one with whom they're 197 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.710 angry of God, right, like they know why you're there. They know 198 00:14:24.950 --> 00:14:28.230 that you know why that they're they're right there, there to kill their child. 199 00:14:28.350 --> 00:14:33.750 Yeah, and so just your presence being there brings guilt and sometimes guilt 200 00:14:33.909 --> 00:14:37.149 provokes this reaction of anger, right, rather than repentance, some people just 201 00:14:37.309 --> 00:14:41.220 get angry. Yeah, and again they blame God, they blame whoever else. 202 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:45.139 Try to play the blame game. So I do want to say that 203 00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:48.899 as much of these principles as you apply. There's just some principles, but 204 00:14:48.980 --> 00:14:52.370 it doesn't always mean that you're going to be able to diffuse every situation. 205 00:14:52.570 --> 00:14:56.090 But I do think, again, that there are some principles and an understanding 206 00:14:56.129 --> 00:15:00.210 that we need to have. That's a good foundation and that is helpful for 207 00:15:00.889 --> 00:15:05.210 diffusing angry people. At the abortion said yeah, that's a really good point, 208 00:15:05.250 --> 00:15:09.440 because we don't want anyone who has encountered an angry person that went south 209 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.320 to feel like it was their fault. It's not. It's the angry person's 210 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:18.200 fault. Yeah, nine times out of ten, but but yeah, these 211 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:24.669 are these are things that might help from you know, once they're they've lost 212 00:15:24.750 --> 00:15:31.110 it, once they're filled with anger, it's sometimes really hard. Then it's 213 00:15:31.190 --> 00:15:33.710 then we switch into now what do we do to protect ourselves? Yeah, 214 00:15:33.990 --> 00:15:39.659 so a lot of these things are how can we prevent it from escalating in 215 00:15:39.779 --> 00:15:41.659 the first place? What are some of the things that we can do that 216 00:15:41.779 --> 00:15:46.940 will prevent it from becoming to an on fire level where now you got to 217 00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:50.610 call in the fire engine? Yeah, and I think daddy is these. 218 00:15:50.690 --> 00:15:52.570 First couple of things that we touched on, right, is that our tone 219 00:15:52.610 --> 00:15:58.730 can set the tone, and then expressing concern or asking questions first rather than 220 00:15:58.850 --> 00:16:03.480 just bringing accusatory statements right. And then if there isn't exchange there and it's 221 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:08.799 getting heated, expressing concern, identifying, relating to that person. You know, 222 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:12.120 it might be something to just kind of a scenario I've seen play out 223 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.039 and I'm sure, I'm sure you have to. Let's say a mother is 224 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.269 walking into the abortion center to take the life of her child and her mother, 225 00:16:18.470 --> 00:16:22.269 the grandmother the child that's going to die, comes marching over and she's 226 00:16:22.309 --> 00:16:25.789 angry and she's saying, don't you know, my daughter has been through this 227 00:16:25.909 --> 00:16:29.190 and been through that and all this other stuff. Right, as the mother 228 00:16:29.309 --> 00:16:33.299 of a daughter, likely in that age, your daughter is twenty some years 229 00:16:33.340 --> 00:16:36.340 old, right. Yeah, you can identify with her and say, you 230 00:16:36.419 --> 00:16:40.019 know, I have a daughter that's that's just like your daughter and she has 231 00:16:40.059 --> 00:16:42.340 struggles and I want to protect her and I appreciate the fact that you want 232 00:16:42.379 --> 00:16:47.210 to protect your daughter at that, to me is a good response, because 233 00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:49.490 you're identifying as a father. I gues. I have a twenty three year 234 00:16:49.490 --> 00:16:55.009 old daughter. I could identify with a man who's angry at me for addressing 235 00:16:55.090 --> 00:16:56.690 his daughter, pleading with her not take the life of her baby. I 236 00:16:56.730 --> 00:17:00.889 can say, man, I appreciate your zeal to protect your daughter. Man, 237 00:17:00.970 --> 00:17:03.279 I'm not here, yeah, to be your enemy. I'm here to 238 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.519 offer help. Well, also, what you're doing, you are empathizing, 239 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.559 but I think what you're doing another principle we talked about later on. It 240 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.789 is you're bringing in something. These are people that are beaten down, or 241 00:17:15.789 --> 00:17:18.589 they wouldn't be there. There, you know, they, they they and 242 00:17:18.670 --> 00:17:21.990 they feel terrible. I know they do, whether they admitted or not. 243 00:17:22.190 --> 00:17:26.230 And what you've done is you've pointed out a positive and that's sometimes really hard 244 00:17:26.269 --> 00:17:32.779 to think of or defined when you're watching someone going to murder their child. 245 00:17:33.019 --> 00:17:37.579 Yeah, but you did in that example. That's a beautiful, perfect example, 246 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:42.099 because that is often what happened. Someone is protecting their friend, their 247 00:17:42.180 --> 00:17:48.130 girlfriend, their child and that and not only is that a positive quality, 248 00:17:48.529 --> 00:17:53.650 but you can use that to promote your case. But that I'm born baby, 249 00:17:53.769 --> 00:17:59.240 you can say I love how you're protecting your your child, and I 250 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.680 just pray that you would feel that same desire to protect your grandchild, because 251 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.599 it's an admirable quality. Yeah, so that you can even further that you 252 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.309 know your your agenda, which is really to save that child. But yeah, 253 00:18:12.430 --> 00:18:21.269 being being empathetic is really critical and something that I read when we briefly 254 00:18:22.190 --> 00:18:26.710 googled. How do you diffuse the situation? Make sure they feel heard. 255 00:18:26.990 --> 00:18:32.099 Yeah, offer reflective comments. So reflect back what they've just said. I 256 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:37.740 know you're angry because you wish that we wouldn't point out that that abortion is 257 00:18:37.900 --> 00:18:41.009 taking an innocent child's life. Yeah, so don't even don't even need to 258 00:18:41.130 --> 00:18:45.289 say the butt that will follow. That just reflect they that they have been 259 00:18:45.410 --> 00:18:51.849 heard. That alone sometimes diffuses anger because so many people, I know, 260 00:18:52.049 --> 00:18:59.400 my anger erupts the most when I have expressed a concern and I feel like 261 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.799 it's just been blown off, no one's listening and no one understands. So 262 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.519 then another thing in that same article I read was wait until the person has 263 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:12.789 released their frustration and explained to how they're feeling. Yeah, yeah, sometimes, 264 00:19:14.869 --> 00:19:17.109 to me and my experience that I don't know if it's the way the 265 00:19:17.230 --> 00:19:19.549 Lord is wired me or he just I think it's he's just giving me grace 266 00:19:19.630 --> 00:19:23.539 in these situations. But when someone comes out and they're just Raven mad at 267 00:19:23.539 --> 00:19:26.859 me, one of the things I've learned to do is just don't say anything. 268 00:19:27.140 --> 00:19:30.180 Yeah, just listen, don't respond, look at them as best I 269 00:19:30.259 --> 00:19:34.819 can conveil my face a look of compassion. Yeah, empathy. Yeah, 270 00:19:34.940 --> 00:19:40.410 you connecting with them on that level and just let them poured out right on 271 00:19:40.569 --> 00:19:44.410 me. Yeah, not because I deserve that or anything like that, but 272 00:19:45.410 --> 00:19:48.490 in reality I find my value, and I think this is an important point, 273 00:19:48.529 --> 00:19:52.880 don't take it personal, because I find my value in what God says 274 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.960 in his word and what someone says about me that I don't even know, 275 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.119 and they're because often times it is you're this, you're that, you're judging 276 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.759 people, all this other stuff. It's like, well, I could defend 277 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:04.960 myself and say, no, I'm not judging people. Actually, the Bible 278 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:07.150 says Blah, blah, Blah Blah. I can do that, I can 279 00:20:07.150 --> 00:20:11.109 go back and forth with them and all of that stuff, right, but 280 00:20:11.230 --> 00:20:14.910 in reality I find my value and what God says about me, not what 281 00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.710 they're saying about me. So I don't need to take it personal, because 282 00:20:17.750 --> 00:20:22.019 that's really when the situation gets even more escalated. It's when we start to 283 00:20:22.099 --> 00:20:26.339 respond, when someone comes at US and anger. Yeah, and we start 284 00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:30.140 to take it personal and get defensive and then we respond back in anger. 285 00:20:30.339 --> 00:20:33.380 Right, this is like, you know, fighting fire with fire. What 286 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:36.369 happens? Yeah, the whole thing goes up in flames. Yeah, right. 287 00:20:36.410 --> 00:20:40.529 Yeah. So the Bible gives us a very, I think, a 288 00:20:40.609 --> 00:20:45.329 principle that everybody should have, which is a soft answer turns away wrath. 289 00:20:45.410 --> 00:20:48.930 Right, yeah, and that's a that's a biblical principle. I think every 290 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:56.759 secular philosopher or psychologist or whatever in the universe would recognize this. Biblical principle 291 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:02.160 is a truth that we all need to apply. That's solved. Answer Turns 292 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:07.230 Away Wrath. When someone is angry at you, answering softly and then even 293 00:21:07.470 --> 00:21:11.390 sometimes keeping your mouth shut, right, is a good way to defuse them. 294 00:21:11.470 --> 00:21:15.869 Just let them vent their stuff. And, yeah, don't, don't 295 00:21:15.150 --> 00:21:18.180 poke the bar even more, right. Yeah, I think that that is 296 00:21:18.339 --> 00:21:23.099 probably the very single most effective thing, yeah, that we can do, 297 00:21:23.259 --> 00:21:29.859 and we talk about in our training that literally, put your hands up. 298 00:21:29.859 --> 00:21:34.049 Yes, though, in surrender, to take a step back, taking a 299 00:21:34.170 --> 00:21:41.369 step back. They're coming at you. Taking a step back is a step 300 00:21:41.450 --> 00:21:48.920 of humility, yeah, and not of cowardice, but of a peace maker. 301 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.519 Yeah, I think so, take a step back, hands up and 302 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.279 surrender and say I'm not your enemy, we're only here to help. I'm 303 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:02.789 so sorry that it has so upset you. Yeah, something along those lines. 304 00:22:02.829 --> 00:22:06.710 Yeah, there is a sense in which in these situations, like I'm 305 00:22:06.750 --> 00:22:10.589 not trying to defend myself, but I'm trying to make explanation, when they're 306 00:22:10.630 --> 00:22:12.390 angry at me and they're coming at me, where I'll say something like listen, 307 00:22:12.430 --> 00:22:15.059 we're just here to offer help. Hey, I'm sorry, that what 308 00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:18.700 I said offended you. But I'm not trying to offend you, right. 309 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:22.980 I'm just trying to share with you the help in the resources and I will 310 00:22:23.059 --> 00:22:27.579 kind of and maybe maybe rebuke me if you think I'm wrong in this, 311 00:22:29.500 --> 00:22:32.130 but I will kind of within our three talking points, what God says, 312 00:22:32.289 --> 00:22:34.809 the humanity, the baby in the resources. I'll kind of go right to 313 00:22:34.890 --> 00:22:38.450 the resource thing and I'll really hyper focus on that. Yeah, because what 314 00:22:38.569 --> 00:22:42.410 it does show is that we're here to help or not just here to state 315 00:22:42.569 --> 00:22:45.319 facts. We're not just here to, you know, talk about God and 316 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.839 talk about your baby. We're here to help you, and I think it 317 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.599 does help diffuse sometimes, because the way that they're able to fuel their anger 318 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.559 and justify their anger against us is to say that all you're doing is, 319 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:03.150 you know, judging people, all you're doing is saying things that are concerning 320 00:23:03.230 --> 00:23:07.789 the baby. But when I'm talking about resources, but I'm really showing them, 321 00:23:07.950 --> 00:23:11.990 no, that's not all we're here to do. We're actually here also 322 00:23:11.109 --> 00:23:15.259 to offer help. Yeah, and so it helps them and can even make 323 00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:18.140 them feel a little guilty because they've got these false notions of who we are. 324 00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:22.940 They've got these notions in their mind that we're that we're angry, and 325 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:26.890 so they need to combat our our anger, in our rage against them with 326 00:23:26.970 --> 00:23:30.690 their anger and rage. And so they've come at at was come at us 327 00:23:30.769 --> 00:23:33.329 with that because that's what they heard from the abortion clinic. Right. I'm 328 00:23:33.369 --> 00:23:37.329 have had people that have come over angry after they had an exchange with the 329 00:23:37.410 --> 00:23:41.369 pro abortion people, you know, the the clinic escorts are quoting people and 330 00:23:41.410 --> 00:23:44.359 the probortion people that have an exchange with them, and they'll come at me 331 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.920 angry because those people like fueled some kind of sparks, some kind of fire, 332 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.160 or fueled some kind of fire that was there in these people's hearts already 333 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:57.029 and really spurred them on too angry, extend angry, angry exchange with me. 334 00:23:57.789 --> 00:24:03.269 Yeah, and that's hard to diffuse. But then coming back and saying, 335 00:24:03.309 --> 00:24:04.789 actually, what they said about me is not true. Yeah, and 336 00:24:04.869 --> 00:24:07.349 here's how I can help it. That's how we can know. I think 337 00:24:07.430 --> 00:24:11.259 that's so much better. That is I think when they're storming at you, 338 00:24:12.019 --> 00:24:15.980 it is not the point to probably a most cases, start quoting scripture. 339 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:21.740 Yeah, most greatest scripture is, I think, when someone is ready to 340 00:24:21.859 --> 00:24:27.049 pound you, letting them know I'm what the help is which and then another 341 00:24:27.210 --> 00:24:32.250 point is to say, look, we want to help you, but we 342 00:24:32.730 --> 00:24:34.569 don't know what you're at the issues are. Tell us, yeah, tell 343 00:24:34.609 --> 00:24:40.440 us what's going on. Let us so asking them the obstacles and and finding 344 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:44.519 time to do that earlier rather than later. Yeah, so that they again 345 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:49.240 it shows compassion, but it helps them. It helps them to see us 346 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.710 in light of what we really are. were. They're offering help, we 347 00:24:52.829 --> 00:24:57.509 have angible resources. Yeah, we're not just judging. I don't believe we're 348 00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:03.150 judge. Yeah, I believe judging is is biblical, but if it's going 349 00:25:03.269 --> 00:25:07.140 to just feel their anger, I'm not going to probably want to be talking 350 00:25:07.180 --> 00:25:10.539 about that. I think. I think your strategy is absolutely spot on. 351 00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:11.940 That's what that's what I think you should do. I mean one of the 352 00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:17.099 things we can put ourselves into position of doing we've got an angry, irrational 353 00:25:17.140 --> 00:25:22.490 person, yeah, is try to ration with an irrational perside. Try to 354 00:25:22.490 --> 00:25:26.609 rational. Try to be rational with an irrational person. Is Not is not 355 00:25:26.730 --> 00:25:30.130 going to we're typically not going to work. So there's like things that need 356 00:25:30.210 --> 00:25:33.690 to be said. Sometimes you need to keep your mouth shut again, right, 357 00:25:33.849 --> 00:25:37.039 sometimes you need to say things. They can help just in their minds, 358 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.640 show them that you you care about them, yeah, that you want 359 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.319 to identify with them. Yeah, because it's really hard to be angry at 360 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.480 a person that you know cares about you. Right, right, something that 361 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:55.390 I would say no sidewalk councilor should ever do, and I feel very strongly 362 00:25:55.470 --> 00:25:57.470 about this. You can correct me if you think I'm wrong. But but 363 00:25:59.789 --> 00:26:07.859 do it gently. Is We should never nick called names, never resort to 364 00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:11.500 name calling. I just think, and I have heard it, I do 365 00:26:11.779 --> 00:26:15.059 hear it. I'm on it. I've done it, like with an angry 366 00:26:15.099 --> 00:26:18.339 father. Yeah, and respond to him. Right, Colin mccaward? Yeah, 367 00:26:18.460 --> 00:26:22.170 yeah, and I understand that some of this name call it's true. 368 00:26:22.410 --> 00:26:26.970 I mean it's truth. Things that are true, and that's what I'll hear 369 00:26:26.170 --> 00:26:30.809 people the that do that often as a matter of course. And you do 370 00:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.799 not do that as a matter of course. I've heard you. But Um, 371 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.400 but if there are people that are doing that as a matter of course, 372 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.880 I think they really have to examine their own level of anger, because 373 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:51.430 name calling is not out of respect or gentleness or compassion. Yeah, and 374 00:26:51.670 --> 00:27:00.309 it I don't think it ever leads to promoting peace or a good conversation. 375 00:27:00.430 --> 00:27:03.259 Yeah, I think right away hackles are up, I am if someone calls 376 00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:07.220 me names, the last thing I want to do is try and talk reasonably 377 00:27:07.339 --> 00:27:10.259 with them. Yeah, I want to lash out. So I just think 378 00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:12.980 that that is something that everyone, all of us, are guilty of it 379 00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:18.529 at one point or another, and I think we need to really are examine 380 00:27:18.569 --> 00:27:21.769 our motives. Yeah, when that comes out of our mouth. And I've 381 00:27:21.769 --> 00:27:26.890 been thinking about that a lot because I was thinking, okay, Jesus did 382 00:27:26.529 --> 00:27:30.039 call some people names. Yeah, he did. Whitewashed Tomb, or was 383 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.039 that Paul? No, she's that was Jesus. Okay, White, why, 384 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.920 that's pretty nasty. You're a whitewash tomb. Yeah, I don't think 385 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.079 that you can look at rude of snakes, Rudy, yeah, thanks, 386 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.509 Judea Vipers, right, Yep, Yep, so he did. I think 387 00:27:45.549 --> 00:27:51.549 it was rare. I don't think that you could characterize Jesus as name calling. 388 00:27:51.910 --> 00:27:56.589 No, but it wasn't absent, and so that's why I think about 389 00:27:56.589 --> 00:28:04.180 it, because I think that there are cases where something is descriptive that that 390 00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:10.220 maybe would stop someone in their tracks, but I it's surely not the time 391 00:28:10.339 --> 00:28:11.930 to do it. It's when someone's about to, you know, plunge a 392 00:28:11.930 --> 00:28:15.849 knife in your chest. Yeah, and in the scenario, I think, 393 00:28:15.049 --> 00:28:19.369 as you read the scripture, when Jesus calls the Pharisees Whitewashed Tombs or snakes 394 00:28:19.369 --> 00:28:22.569 children, is not one of these scenarios where you've got an angry person in 395 00:28:22.690 --> 00:28:27.000 your face. Right, this is this is him really not for the sake 396 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.119 of the Pharisees. I mean for in one sense, for their sake that 397 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:36.240 he's pointing out their hypocrisy to them, but I think more so it's he's 398 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.799 pointing out their hypocrisy to the crowd. Right, yes, people are whitewashed 399 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.109 tombs, yeah, they're telling you to do things that they themselves don't do. 400 00:28:44.549 --> 00:28:48.349 Yeah, they're hypocrites, all these other things. And he really wasn't. 401 00:28:48.670 --> 00:28:52.109 The spirit of the motivation of it, obviously, was pure, because 402 00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:55.670 we're talking about Jesus, right, right, and so the motivation was not 403 00:28:55.779 --> 00:29:00.180 one of selfishness and self validation, because often times that's what can happen when 404 00:29:00.259 --> 00:29:04.420 we respond to an angry person in an angry way with some kind of accusation 405 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:08.539 or name calling. Typically it flows out of a place of self validation. 406 00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:12.329 They just called you something, and so you want to call them something back, 407 00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:18.450 and so that something might actually be a sanctified something like, for example, 408 00:29:18.890 --> 00:29:21.890 fool. Right, you call them a fool when the Bible says clearly 409 00:29:22.170 --> 00:29:26.480 that in proverbs. All through proverbs, the Bible Call Certain People Fools. 410 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.000 Well, we might sanctify it and listen to I'll speak from experience because I've 411 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.880 done this myself. Yeah, well, I call someone a fool and I 412 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.319 can justify it because biblically the Bible says people are fools. It despise God, 413 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.589 that despise wisdom and understanding, and I'm trying to give wisdom and understanding 414 00:29:41.789 --> 00:29:45.430 their fool. Right. But if I examine my heart, yeah, the 415 00:29:45.509 --> 00:29:48.710 reality is I'm calling them a fool because they just called me something. They 416 00:29:48.750 --> 00:29:52.710 called me as good white supremacist, or they called me exactly you big it 417 00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:56.539 or right, whatever they need write names. I can't say on this podcast 418 00:29:56.140 --> 00:30:00.140 because I wouldn't say on this podcast. And so, yeah, we have 419 00:30:00.220 --> 00:30:03.819 to examine our hearts, examine our motive and all, at the end of 420 00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:10.329 the day, what is our desire when we're speaking out in front of the 421 00:30:10.369 --> 00:30:14.089 abortion center? I think, above everything, like we said, often it's 422 00:30:14.170 --> 00:30:18.849 to glorify the Lord. Right, it's the glorify Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, 423 00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:22.200 so as you were talking, I was thinking, okay, that wasn't 424 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.119 an angry situation when he was talking to the Pharisees. But I and that's 425 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:30.160 I was thinking. Okay, when did Jesus meet angry mobs? Because he 426 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.759 did. One's at times absolutely look at when the the whole crowd of the 427 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.869 people ready to stone the woman caught an adultery. And how did Jesus respond? 428 00:30:37.950 --> 00:30:41.269 He asked questions. Yeah, he said, which of you is without 429 00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:45.069 sin? CAST THE FIRST STONE? Yeah, and that was a question. 430 00:30:45.190 --> 00:30:51.539 Again, not accusing, he's he's just he's asking a legitimate question. That 431 00:30:51.619 --> 00:30:56.619 made them all stop and think. Yeah. Or when he's led, but 432 00:30:56.859 --> 00:31:00.339 from the angry mob that comes to get him to take him to the crucifixion, 433 00:31:00.460 --> 00:31:03.019 How did he respond? Silence. Yeah, he he was like a 434 00:31:03.019 --> 00:31:07.329 lamb led to the slaughter and said not a word. Yeah. So I 435 00:31:07.450 --> 00:31:11.609 think those are I mean those are both kind of extreme situations and they're they're 436 00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.289 not necessarily like what we face at an abortion center, but I think it 437 00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:23.920 does show how we can respond in a godlike way to to anger to hopefully 438 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.440 diffuse. Of course, says the he was being led to the cruise fixtion 439 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:33.309 at hardly diffused the situation, but it with. In the case of the 440 00:31:33.349 --> 00:31:37.390 adopterswoman, it definitely did. They all left and no one stoned her, 441 00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:41.829 and that that mob was subdued. Yeah, by a question. Yeah, 442 00:31:42.549 --> 00:31:45.750 yeah, absolutely. And there was a one point. I'm actually trying to 443 00:31:45.789 --> 00:31:49.420 look for the scripture here. You guys can dig for this is your this 444 00:31:49.539 --> 00:31:52.660 is your Bible Challenge. Okay, promise you would say in the scripture there's 445 00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:56.779 at one point where there was an angry mob that came after Jesus. This 446 00:31:56.980 --> 00:32:00.140 was before the crucifixion. This is in the midst of his teaching and all 447 00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.130 of this. Right, I think it was it after he the he made 448 00:32:02.170 --> 00:32:06.690 the pigs, the demon, to run into the pigs and the pains. 449 00:32:06.809 --> 00:32:08.730 Not The people came to stone him, him because they were so mad. 450 00:32:09.009 --> 00:32:12.569 Yeah, well, in that situation they told him to leave. They weren't 451 00:32:12.569 --> 00:32:15.000 coming to stone him. Okay, they were offended at his action. There's 452 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.920 a lot of reasons why. I possibly so. I'm not talking about that 453 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.359 story, but there's another story in which, and again don't quote me on 454 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.200 this. This is, you, guys, Bible Trivi. I'm trying to 455 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:28.079 look it up on my computer but I can't find exactly the scripture to them, 456 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.630 but I'm talking about but I promise it's there. They came to make 457 00:32:30.710 --> 00:32:32.990 Jesus the king. Oh, right, and then he kind of, kind 458 00:32:34.029 --> 00:32:37.829 of not, he kind of turns it around. Yeah, and then they 459 00:32:37.910 --> 00:32:42.390 ultimately they want to kill him. Right. So the Bible says he actually 460 00:32:42.430 --> 00:32:45.420 slips out, yeah, from their midst. Yeah, he didn't. He 461 00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:49.460 didn't stand up on a rock and start just preaching at them and telling them 462 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:52.819 how wicked and reprobated they are and all of this. He just he just 463 00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:57.180 slips, kind of melts away. And it seems like Jesus, and I 464 00:32:57.299 --> 00:33:01.049 think he gives us this principle as well in in our day and age, 465 00:33:01.089 --> 00:33:04.369 but also dealt with it in his day and age. It seems like when 466 00:33:04.410 --> 00:33:07.769 people are resistant to the truth, he'll sting him with some truth, little 467 00:33:07.809 --> 00:33:12.490 bit more truth maybe, and then if they're content to remain in their sin 468 00:33:12.569 --> 00:33:15.559 and be obstinate, he'll just let them remain in their sin and be obstinate. 469 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.359 Right, yeah's we can find ourselves sometimes in a position where someone's angry 470 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.119 with us, they're not listening to what we're saying, they're just angry and 471 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.509 pouring out their anger on us, and we want to try to set them 472 00:33:27.589 --> 00:33:30.230 straight and want to try to stand our ground because we don't want to be 473 00:33:30.430 --> 00:33:34.029 perceived as cowards or cowardly. And and really, again, it can be 474 00:33:34.430 --> 00:33:37.829 prideful. Yeah, it's has been for me. Yeah, when in reality, 475 00:33:37.950 --> 00:33:39.829 like I said earlier, we just need to let God deal with them. 476 00:33:39.990 --> 00:33:44.299 That mean ultimately it's God that changes the heart. Yeah, yeah, 477 00:33:44.380 --> 00:33:47.380 scripture. The Lord helped me with this is some years ago, as I 478 00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:51.700 was reading through the book of proverbs. Proverbs is so chalk ful. The 479 00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:55.490 wisdom it is is the book of Wisdom. As a man, I know 480 00:33:55.650 --> 00:34:00.289 especially, we don't want to back away from a fight, right, and 481 00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:05.210 there is a sense in which even in Christian men there's just warrior spirit, 482 00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.890 right. That's the reason why I'm out there. One of the reasons why 483 00:34:07.890 --> 00:34:12.159 I'm out there is because children are dying, right, and I should stand 484 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.880 as a man who loves Jesus. I should stand against that evil and I 485 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.199 could. I should stand boldly, right, and anyone who's ever been on 486 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.960 the sidewalk with me. If you would accuse me of not standing boldly, 487 00:34:23.630 --> 00:34:28.269 you're not you're not watching what's happening, because I I do stand boldly. 488 00:34:28.309 --> 00:34:30.230 I'm not saying that that to my own horn. Yeah, but I'm there 489 00:34:30.469 --> 00:34:34.429 speak of the truth's what we need to do. That's what every man should 490 00:34:34.469 --> 00:34:37.909 do. I'm not cowering down, I'm not cowering away from speaking the truth. 491 00:34:37.989 --> 00:34:39.900 Yeah, that abortion is murder. I'm not carrying away from the Gospel. 492 00:34:39.940 --> 00:34:44.820 I'm speaking all of that stuff right, and with that along that same 493 00:34:44.820 --> 00:34:47.139 vein, when someone's anger with me, especially if it's another man. Yeah, 494 00:34:47.139 --> 00:34:50.300 I want to stand firm, I want to stand bold, I want 495 00:34:50.300 --> 00:34:53.010 to speak back some truth to combat the lie that he's just spoken against me. 496 00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:58.849 Right, but the Bible says, and this is what the Lord struck 497 00:34:58.929 --> 00:35:00.889 me with, and proverbs chapter twenty, verse three, it says it's honorable 498 00:35:00.929 --> 00:35:06.050 for a man to stop striving, since any any fool, can start a 499 00:35:06.090 --> 00:35:08.960 quarrel. Any fool cant, any fool coral. That gives you a whole 500 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:14.000 different perception of when you're fighting, because act as a man. The thinking 501 00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.800 is that if I back down, then I'm going to be perceived as a 502 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.750 coward and and the tendency can sometimes be a little over the top with that 503 00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:28.829 to when someone comes out, especially another man who's angry with me, for 504 00:35:29.230 --> 00:35:30.750 for me to want to stand my ground, if he says some kind of 505 00:35:30.789 --> 00:35:35.150 accusation against me, you're you're this, you're that, you're not this, 506 00:35:35.349 --> 00:35:37.739 you're not that, whatever their accusation, I want to come back with that, 507 00:35:37.900 --> 00:35:42.980 with some kind of scriptural truth to defend myself. Right. But this 508 00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:46.460 scripture, proverbs twenty verse three, tells me, and the thinking can be 509 00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:51.090 from a man's perspective, I don't know about you, from your perspective, 510 00:35:51.170 --> 00:35:55.610 that if I back down, then I'm a coward myself. Yeah, and 511 00:35:57.289 --> 00:36:00.849 there's sometimes that's what goes through my mind. But also sometimes what cloes through 512 00:36:00.889 --> 00:36:04.559 my mind is I'm charged by God to speak. I've got a spirit of 513 00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:07.800 truth and I kind of I just want to just keep pushing what I think 514 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.840 I'm called to do. Yeah, so this scripture in my mind again it's 515 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.639 like it be dishonorable for me to back away from night. Be Dishonorable for 516 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:20.309 me not to tell that guy who's angry at me, even though he's taking 517 00:36:20.389 --> 00:36:23.269 his girlfriend and to kill his own child. He's angry at me for judging 518 00:36:23.309 --> 00:36:27.230 him or something like that. Be Dishonorable for me not to set him straight. 519 00:36:27.349 --> 00:36:30.590 But actually, the Bible says in proverbs twenty, verse three, it 520 00:36:30.789 --> 00:36:34.219 is honorable for a man to stop striving, since any fool can start a 521 00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:38.699 quarrel, any fool, doesn't matter how much biblical knowledge or how how little 522 00:36:38.739 --> 00:36:43.659 biblical knowledge you have. Doesn't matter how close to Jesus you are or how 523 00:36:43.699 --> 00:36:46.250 far away from Jesus you are. Any fool, any old fool, can 524 00:36:46.289 --> 00:36:50.210 start a quarrel. Anybody can start a fight. Yeah, so, yeah, 525 00:36:50.250 --> 00:36:52.730 the implication here is that in by can start a fight, but not 526 00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:57.050 just anybody can really back down from a fight. It really takes an honorable 527 00:36:57.130 --> 00:37:00.610 person. Yeah, regardless of what the world says. The world says you've 528 00:37:00.650 --> 00:37:04.280 got to stand for your honor and all this other stuff. If you want 529 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.559 to stand for honor, stand for honor the way God says to and just 530 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.960 back down. Yeah, that fight if again, we we have to be 531 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.909 led by the Holy Spirit. There are times where I've stood and when I've 532 00:37:17.909 --> 00:37:22.110 had somebody accusing me of whatever it might be. Again, some angry person 533 00:37:22.190 --> 00:37:27.070 out there right where I have pushed back with some truth where I have gone 534 00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:30.820 a little bit back and forth with them, but there's been probably more times 535 00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:32.420 where I've said, you know, I'm not your enemy, I'm not here 536 00:37:32.420 --> 00:37:36.219 to argue with you, and I just leave it at that. Yeah, 537 00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:39.820 and I think that part of the ability to do that is to trust that 538 00:37:40.099 --> 00:37:45.369 God knows everything that's going on. He knows that person, he sees that 539 00:37:45.530 --> 00:37:51.010 person. You have planted seeds and now trust, just trust that God is 540 00:37:51.170 --> 00:37:54.929 going to take it from there or someone else will. It's not over and 541 00:37:55.050 --> 00:37:59.320 I think we, when we want to fight really hard. For me anyway, 542 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.480 I feel like this is my last chance. I've got to do it 543 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:07.039 now. I feel the urgency and sometimes I think that's just me. It's 544 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.639 all me. I got to do it instead of let it's not my own 545 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.750 battle. There's others that are going to battle. Yeah, for for the 546 00:38:15.949 --> 00:38:19.949 for if not for this child, for the soul of that person, and 547 00:38:20.349 --> 00:38:24.110 and there's God, and just trust that that he will bring the increase. 548 00:38:24.150 --> 00:38:28.380 He always does. Yes, always his battle in the end. Yeah. 549 00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:34.539 So yeah, I mean that that whole dynamic of weird just planting seeds in 550 00:38:34.780 --> 00:38:37.380 watering seeds, and goddess God's the one that's got to give the increase, 551 00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:40.690 not us. Yeah, like I literally can't take a plant and pull it 552 00:38:40.769 --> 00:38:44.570 out of the ground and make it grow more. Right, the same PRINSIPH 553 00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:47.130 I. I really can't go in someone's heart, yeah, from an angry 554 00:38:47.170 --> 00:38:52.250 person to a broken person, yeah, and change their heart. Yeah, 555 00:38:52.409 --> 00:38:54.880 ultimately it's God that does that. I've just got a plant and water seeds, 556 00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.039 and there's a point at which you can over water a seed. Yeah, 557 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.199 you can do too much to a seed sometimes and end up killing the 558 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.389 seed. Yeah, and so there comes a point where further argument or further 559 00:39:09.590 --> 00:39:15.269 discussion is not productive. Yeah, and that, you know, it takes 560 00:39:15.389 --> 00:39:20.670 discernment. If they're about to punch you in the nose, it's probably no 561 00:39:20.909 --> 00:39:23.300 longer productive. It's time to move on. And, of course, the 562 00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:28.619 pearls before swine, yeah, comes to mind as the perfect verse. Yeah, 563 00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:34.739 when that happened. I think this is a actually a major you're verse 564 00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:37.460 that we need to focus on when we're dealing with angry people and we're when 565 00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:42.369 we're dealing with nonreceptive people. Right, Jesus says, do not give what 566 00:39:42.489 --> 00:39:45.929 is holy to dogs. And we have the truth. We have the truth 567 00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:47.889 of God's word, of who God is, what God says about abortion, 568 00:39:47.969 --> 00:39:51.690 what he says about these moms and these babies. We've got this body of 569 00:39:51.769 --> 00:39:54.360 truth and we're trying to deliver that information and get them to come and talk 570 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.440 with us and all of that. But if they're just not receptive, yeah, 571 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.360 they become not I always have to give this coffee a caveat. We're 572 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.440 not talking that these women are dogs, that they don't have any value, 573 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.909 that they're just swine, they're just pigs and we're just named calling. That's 574 00:40:08.949 --> 00:40:13.710 not what this is right. But what he's really talking about here is categories 575 00:40:13.750 --> 00:40:16.750 of people, and he's, of course talking to Jewish people, and they 576 00:40:16.829 --> 00:40:22.059 do think of gentiles and people that are not Jewish as dogs and as swine. 577 00:40:22.739 --> 00:40:25.460 So, I guess, Jesus and one sin is relating to the Jewish 578 00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:31.460 people like these these holy things that we have. And actually I think he's 579 00:40:31.500 --> 00:40:35.969 doing something that might be offensive to the to the Jewish leaders, is he's 580 00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:39.690 actually identifying them those who resistant to the truth. They think the gentiles are 581 00:40:39.809 --> 00:40:45.409 swine and dogs, but the Jews themselves who are rejecting him, the Jewish 582 00:40:45.409 --> 00:40:49.250 leaders, I would say specifically the Pharisees, are putting themselves right in line 583 00:40:49.530 --> 00:40:52.800 with these gentiles by not receiving the truth. But here's what Jesus says. 584 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:58.800 He doesn't say if they're if they're not receiving what you're saying, then you 585 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.159 need to call them dogs and swine. Right now. That's not his point, 586 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.389 not a point. And now his point is, I think, to 587 00:41:05.510 --> 00:41:07.829 shut your mouth. Yeah, like, if they're not receptive, don't try. 588 00:41:07.909 --> 00:41:12.670 If the soil will not take the seed, don't try to push it 589 00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:15.230 down in there. Just say, okay, the soil is too hard, 590 00:41:15.269 --> 00:41:19.380 it's not ready for the seed. Yeah, and I think there's a bit 591 00:41:19.699 --> 00:41:24.019 of self preservation in this scripture, because I never noticed until you pointed that 592 00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:28.179 out. This is good. You should read this scripture. So that that, 593 00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.260 because I bet other people have missed that endpoint of that scripture like I 594 00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:35.170 did. Yeah, so we kind of have this idea don't give what's holy 595 00:41:35.250 --> 00:41:37.929 to dogs, don't throw your pearls before swine, and we kind of we 596 00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:42.010 kind of leave it there. Yeah, which the principle is don't speak the 597 00:41:42.090 --> 00:41:45.329 Gospel, speak the truth to people are just completely resistant. They're angry with 598 00:41:45.449 --> 00:41:50.440 you. Just don't do it right. But this next component, or they 599 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.159 will trample them under feet. So that's terrible for the for the pearls right, 600 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.639 right, and turn to tear you to pieces. So a little bit 601 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.590 of self preservation in the scripture. Sometimes people turn and try to tear you 602 00:42:02.630 --> 00:42:07.309 to pieces because you've not applied this principle of not given what's holy to dogs 603 00:42:07.829 --> 00:42:12.230 and giving this these pearls, he's awesome, pearls of truth to swine, 604 00:42:12.429 --> 00:42:16.219 to people whose hearts are hardened, whose soil is not been tilled. You 605 00:42:16.300 --> 00:42:20.460 know, sometimes you just again need to leave in God's hands. Yeah, 606 00:42:20.780 --> 00:42:23.579 for for the sake of the pearls themselves, the truth, the precious trees 607 00:42:23.619 --> 00:42:27.500 of God's word, and then for your own sake so they don't come around 608 00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:31.449 and tear you up. A yeah, yeah, it's a that's a perfect 609 00:42:31.530 --> 00:42:37.650 verset, a great first that because also your time is very valuable, what 610 00:42:37.730 --> 00:42:43.090 you're doing out there, and if you're spending maybe not necessarily that they're angry, 611 00:42:43.170 --> 00:42:45.639 but you're spending a lot of time with with someone who just is not 612 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:51.119 hearing it, then it's time sometimes to move on. Yeah, and to 613 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.400 find those receptive hearts who will hear it? Yeah, when are our next 614 00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.429 point, was on our list of points we were going over, was it's 615 00:43:00.429 --> 00:43:04.510 a little bit controversial. We're not sure if it's good or bad. It 616 00:43:04.710 --> 00:43:07.710 sometimes can be both, and that's if violence has it's reached the point where, 617 00:43:07.869 --> 00:43:12.630 okay, threats, their people are making threats or there's direct violence, 618 00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:17.500 we train our people to pull out their phone and start video taking, but 619 00:43:19.059 --> 00:43:22.739 we know that sometimes people grab the phone, sometimes people sometimes it seems to 620 00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:28.530 escalated even further. Yeah, and and so I guess you do that with 621 00:43:28.730 --> 00:43:30.889 discernment. Yeah, one of the things that we do is we have a 622 00:43:30.969 --> 00:43:35.530 camera that set up that I have hidden. Yeah, yeah, because I 623 00:43:35.610 --> 00:43:38.690 think you do need to be videotape you on some level so that if something 624 00:43:38.769 --> 00:43:43.199 violent does happen, that person can be held accountable. Right, you can 625 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.239 show that to the police. It's not just your word against theirs, but 626 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:50.400 you actually have video of what happened. Yeah, so I think that's important. 627 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.000 I think you always need to have a camera running. Now we talk 628 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:57.429 about cameras and having a camera running, that it's better to be hidden rather 629 00:43:57.469 --> 00:44:00.510 than I know I've seen some people wear like a gopro on their chest. 630 00:44:00.590 --> 00:44:04.710 Yeah, I think if you do that you're really minimizing the interactions that you're 631 00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:07.670 going to have with the women going into the abortion center because they're they're there 632 00:44:07.710 --> 00:44:10.539 to hide their sin anyway. Yeah, and they're probably going to be less 633 00:44:10.579 --> 00:44:14.579 like that. I would not say probably. It's a definitely less likely to 634 00:44:14.739 --> 00:44:16.900 engage with you. Right, if you got a visible camera. Sure, 635 00:44:17.059 --> 00:44:21.980 so that's, you know, kind of a little bit of a different thought 636 00:44:22.539 --> 00:44:25.329 train there. We're talking about holding accountable people who are angry. Yeah, 637 00:44:25.489 --> 00:44:29.530 having a hidden camera listen. If you need to and you think it's going 638 00:44:29.570 --> 00:44:31.289 to be helpful to diffuse a situation, you could point say I got a 639 00:44:31.369 --> 00:44:35.050 camera right there, so you need to calm down. Right, you might 640 00:44:35.130 --> 00:44:37.929 get say that. Now they may run over and smash your camera, and 641 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.800 there is that possibility, but it is it is really important if things do 642 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.400 escalate and if you want to call a police, which you should if it 643 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.400 escalates, if you don't have proofs, they're not going to do anything. 644 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.110 Yeah, they have to have proof. Yeah, so what we're saying is, 645 00:44:52.829 --> 00:44:57.630 I think it's helpful to play your phone and star video and yeah, 646 00:44:57.670 --> 00:45:02.510 but also it's not like it's not necessarily going to be a hundred percent diffuse 647 00:45:02.550 --> 00:45:07.699 a situation. Right, it's it could, in some scenarios actually escalated even 648 00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:10.059 more. Right. So, yeah, I guess you have to do the 649 00:45:10.099 --> 00:45:14.900 best you can to use discernment. Yeah, and you know, yeah, 650 00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:17.019 you're going to pull out your phone. Maybe be sneaky about it, right, 651 00:45:17.139 --> 00:45:20.739 have a team member shoe out of it. It should be. Maybe, 652 00:45:20.780 --> 00:45:22.250 if you've got a team out there, make sure maybe that all the 653 00:45:22.329 --> 00:45:27.489 team knows if they are is anything that looks like it's going to escalate, 654 00:45:27.570 --> 00:45:30.250 be sure that you've got your phone at the ready and do it. Kind 655 00:45:30.289 --> 00:45:34.809 of hide your phone, especially if you've had the experience of people grabbing your 656 00:45:34.849 --> 00:45:39.280 phone or being angry. Some some people are, some communities even are are 657 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.199 more likely to be more angry. Yeah, depending on on where it is 658 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:50.269 and who they are. So so we have not really experienced that, I 659 00:45:50.309 --> 00:45:52.349 would say. I would say in general what we see when we pull out 660 00:45:52.349 --> 00:45:57.869 a phone is d escalation. Yeah, but not every time, but most 661 00:45:57.869 --> 00:46:00.909 time. So I would probably air on pulling out my phone. Yeah, 662 00:46:01.030 --> 00:46:05.699 but if someone has had an experience where that too often leads to tanger than 663 00:46:05.780 --> 00:46:07.380 do it. Do it secretly. Have a team member do it secretly? 664 00:46:07.579 --> 00:46:12.619 Yeah. Yeah, so just kind of wrapping this up. We're at the 665 00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:15.099 end of this episode, right, and we don't think need to labor these 666 00:46:15.139 --> 00:46:21.130 points much longer. Soft answer turns away wrath. Yeah, that's the key 667 00:46:21.210 --> 00:46:24.090 to all of this. It's honorable for a man to stop striving. To 668 00:46:24.170 --> 00:46:28.010 back away from a fight is an honorable thing, not a dishonorable thing. 669 00:46:28.050 --> 00:46:31.809 Yeah, don't throw your pearls before swine R I will give these precious truth 670 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.840 to people who are just resistant to him, right, because I're going to 671 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.760 trample them underfoot and they're probably going to turn around and tear you up to 672 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.679 it's going to come back on you. So that's these are some awesome biblical 673 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.119 principles. Yeah, but there's some practical principles too, and I would say, 674 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:52.070 just practically, if you are physically assaulted, even verbally thro threatened, 675 00:46:53.070 --> 00:46:58.030 then call the police. Yeah, that's an accountability peace. Yeah, that 676 00:46:58.230 --> 00:47:00.349 needs to be brought into play. You know, the Bible says in Romans 677 00:47:00.349 --> 00:47:06.219 Chapter Thirteen that the government is God's Minister of Justice, that the government should 678 00:47:06.219 --> 00:47:10.500 be employed to punish evil doers. If someone physically threatens you and physically assaults 679 00:47:10.539 --> 00:47:15.809 you, they need to be held accountable right, not just and we have 680 00:47:15.889 --> 00:47:21.050 to have an attitude of forgiveness. Absolutely we these are we know, I 681 00:47:21.130 --> 00:47:24.329 think, from experience, and just practically hurt people. Hurt people. So 682 00:47:24.449 --> 00:47:28.210 these people are hurt, there's some deep stuff going on. There's conviction, 683 00:47:28.289 --> 00:47:30.679 there's guilt they're feeling, there's all kinds of emotions and all that. Listen, 684 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.440 we get it. Yeah, and we need to be understanding as far 685 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.400 as that's concerned. We need to be forgiving as far as that's concerned. 686 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:43.360 But if you let someone who is hurt, who's broken, lash out in 687 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.789 anger, do something physically and you let him get away with it, don't 688 00:47:45.789 --> 00:47:50.869 be surprised if it's worst the next time. They lash out in anger and 689 00:47:50.909 --> 00:47:53.150 threaten you going in. Don't be surprised if they do something physical coming back 690 00:47:53.190 --> 00:47:57.309 out of the abortion. Say Yeah, so it's very important that you call 691 00:47:57.429 --> 00:48:00.940 the police and involve the police in this situation, explain to them clearly and 692 00:48:00.980 --> 00:48:06.300 again, if you have video, that's even more helpful. Yeah, and 693 00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:12.019 and so holding them accountable. I think with that practical tool is is really 694 00:48:12.099 --> 00:48:15.289 helpful, and I don't know what is legal in every area you would have 695 00:48:15.409 --> 00:48:17.130 to figure that out for yourself, and I don't know how I feel about 696 00:48:17.130 --> 00:48:24.530 this, Daniel, but just we don't want our missionaries, are sidewalk missionaries, 697 00:48:24.570 --> 00:48:30.800 to be sitting ducks. So what can you have on your person that 698 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:37.199 is maybe gonna protect you in the case of of a dangerous person attacking you? 699 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.710 And I may see in some places it's legal, pepper spray and so 700 00:48:42.269 --> 00:48:46.030 but you would have to find out what in your areas legal and what you're 701 00:48:46.070 --> 00:48:51.349 comfortable. Yeah, absolutely, to protect yourself. But I think if you're 702 00:48:51.469 --> 00:48:54.710 finding that violence is erupting in and whatever are you're in, I think that 703 00:48:54.940 --> 00:48:59.780 does need to be a consideration. Yeah, absolutely. Now I will say 704 00:49:00.500 --> 00:49:04.260 that pretty much across the board. I can't address as far as like pepper 705 00:49:04.300 --> 00:49:07.739 spray and all of that and your different areas. You'll have to you guys 706 00:49:07.780 --> 00:49:10.289 will have to look for that yourself. Right, but I do know that 707 00:49:10.809 --> 00:49:15.329 some folks can seal carry. They have a gun, yeah, and they 708 00:49:15.369 --> 00:49:17.730 carry that wherever they go in front of an abortion center. You can't do 709 00:49:17.889 --> 00:49:21.730 that, right. You can't do that, even though you might say, 710 00:49:21.809 --> 00:49:25.519 well, I have second amendment. Absolutely, you do understand that this is 711 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.159 not a podcast about the constitution. I love the constitution. I believe in 712 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.199 the Second Amendment. Yeah, however, there are laws on the books here 713 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.920 North Carolina there are, and most every other stay their laws on the books 714 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:39.630 that if you have a concealed carry permit, you can't carry in front of 715 00:49:39.710 --> 00:49:44.710 at a protest. And that's what they consider us, whether we like it 716 00:49:44.789 --> 00:49:47.710 or not. We're considered protesters at a medical facility and we do have as 717 00:49:47.750 --> 00:49:52.829 a policy as a ministry, Love Life has a policy that no one come 718 00:49:52.900 --> 00:49:57.260 to our prayer walks and when volunteering with us on the sidewalk or in a 719 00:49:57.340 --> 00:50:00.340 prayer walk or whatever, is going to be concealed carrying a gun right in 720 00:50:00.460 --> 00:50:04.940 front of the abortion center. So that's something that if you're not under love 721 00:50:05.019 --> 00:50:07.610 life, I can't tell you what to do, but I'm just telling you 722 00:50:07.969 --> 00:50:10.010 it's illegal to do that. Yeah, and I think it could get in 723 00:50:10.090 --> 00:50:15.730 a situation where it dishonors the Lord because you know, the pro abort media 724 00:50:15.769 --> 00:50:19.050 are going to get ahold of it and, you know, put on the 725 00:50:19.130 --> 00:50:22.719 front page or wherever that pro life or had a gun in front of the 726 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.800 abortion clinic or whatever. That's going to capitalize on that. So that situation 727 00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.000 it's just just don't carry your gun. I have a concealed carry permit. 728 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.559 Yeah, I used to carry my gun everywhere I went, every scenario, 729 00:50:35.829 --> 00:50:39.389 just for Selfdefense, but mainly for the defense of others, right, but 730 00:50:39.429 --> 00:50:43.829 I don't car it anymore since I've been ministering full time on the sidewalks. 731 00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:45.989 I just don't carry it now. I should carry it in other scenarios, 732 00:50:46.150 --> 00:50:49.309 but I knew since I couldn't carry there, I kind of got out of 733 00:50:49.389 --> 00:50:53.659 habit, yeah, of carrying it. Yeah, and I think it's I 734 00:50:53.780 --> 00:50:58.300 think I'm safer on that end as far as you know, just being careful, 735 00:50:58.380 --> 00:51:02.900 not to be not to have the appearance of evil in any area. 736 00:51:02.980 --> 00:51:07.969 Yeah, to just not carried it all there. Yeah, so that's just 737 00:51:07.250 --> 00:51:10.929 something, some things to mention. I think there's a lot that we could 738 00:51:10.929 --> 00:51:14.969 say along these lines. Are some biblical principles. I would say get into 739 00:51:14.969 --> 00:51:17.760 the book of proverbs. Let God minister to your heart. But the book 740 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.239 of proverbs and there's a lot in there about dealing with angry people. There's 741 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.719 a lot about dealing with different all kinds of scenarios there in the book of 742 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.440 proverbs. But with that I think we're going to wrap this thing up. 743 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.230 Vicki's going to put an article out there along the lines of what we've talked 744 00:51:32.230 --> 00:51:36.349 about in this podcast. We know that that'll be a blessing to you guys. 745 00:51:36.750 --> 00:51:39.030 If you have suggestions for us for future podcast, we would love to 746 00:51:39.070 --> 00:51:42.590 hear what those suggestions are. You can reach out to me, Daniel, 747 00:51:42.750 --> 00:51:45.670 Love Life Dot Org. You can reach out to Vicky, Vicky at Love 748 00:51:45.750 --> 00:51:49.699 Life Dot Org. If you want to get trained to do sidewalk ministry, 749 00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:51.940 we'd love to get you in that vein to get trained to do that. 750 00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:53.659 So you can reach out to me again, as I mentioned at the beginning 751 00:51:53.659 --> 00:51:58.699 of this podcast. But until next time, God bless, God bless. 752 00:52:00.929 --> 00:52:14.809 Give me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I 753 00:52:15.130 --> 00:52:23.519 know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious and some you