May 13, 2021

Dealing with Angry People

Dealing with Angry People

Our goal at the abortion center is to offer help and hope to those going in. Sometimes our pleas and offers of help are met with angry opposition. This is nothing new. When truth is spoken some people become angry. But how do we as sidewalk counselors...


Our goal at the abortion center is to offer help and hope to those going in. Sometimes our pleas and offers of help are met with angry opposition. This is nothing new. When truth is spoken some people become angry. But how do we as sidewalk counselors deal with this challenge? In this episode, we share our experiences and some Biblical insights that will encourage and equip you. 

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.150 Lord, I am you. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:10.269 --> 00:00:13.230 If you do ministry at an abortion center on any kind of a regular 4 00:00:13.269 --> 00:00:16.670 basis, you're going to encounter angry people from time to time. There are 5 00:00:16.789 --> 00:00:19.829 some helpful and productive ways to deal with those kinds of people. So join 6 00:00:19.910 --> 00:00:29.059 it says we talk about it. I felt show passish, touch your heart. 7 00:00:31.460 --> 00:00:38.090 Use Me. Welcome to the Gospel sent a pro life podcast. As 8 00:00:38.130 --> 00:00:42.289 always, we appreciate you guys, joining us and we hope that these episodes 9 00:00:42.329 --> 00:00:46.570 are blessing to you. We're trying to do over the past several weeks some 10 00:00:46.810 --> 00:00:51.560 more in depth training and equipping, speaking out of our experiences and going along 11 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.000 the lines of our training that we have available for folks. If you want 12 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.600 to take advantage of that training, we still do that once a month, 13 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:02.719 first Saturday of every month, from two PM to four PM. We may 14 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:04.750 be changing that in the future, but for now that's that's in place. 15 00:01:06.109 --> 00:01:07.909 If you want to get involved in that, maybe you're in a city where 16 00:01:07.909 --> 00:01:12.469 we have a missionary. Hopefully your missionary is already sent us your information and 17 00:01:12.549 --> 00:01:17.189 connected us with you to get trained. But if you're in a city where 18 00:01:17.230 --> 00:01:21.019 love life is and you don't yet know what we're talking about or you have 19 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:23.579 not yet taken advantage of our training, we certainly would encourage you to do 20 00:01:23.739 --> 00:01:26.260 that. You could reach out to me if you wanted to, Daniel love 21 00:01:26.299 --> 00:01:30.540 life doubt war, or I'll send you the appropriate application. Or again, 22 00:01:30.579 --> 00:01:32.859 if you're in a city where there's a love life missionary, just reach out 23 00:01:32.890 --> 00:01:34.930 to them. If you're in a city where there's not yet a love life 24 00:01:36.010 --> 00:01:40.090 presence, we still do make our training available. That would mean that you're 25 00:01:40.129 --> 00:01:42.969 under love life or anything like that, but we just think that we have 26 00:01:42.129 --> 00:01:46.209 some wisdom that we can impart too folks that are on the sidewalk or folks 27 00:01:46.250 --> 00:01:51.599 that are just getting involved in ministry on the sidewalks, and so we would 28 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:55.560 as long as you check a few boxes for us and fit in the the 29 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.359 criteria of people were looking for, which basically believers in Jesus who want to 30 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:02.790 serve the Lord in that capacity and are under the leadership of a local church, 31 00:02:04.430 --> 00:02:07.629 then will will invite you, singing invitation, after you feel out the 32 00:02:07.670 --> 00:02:10.229 application, to that training. So just wanted to mention that and what we're 33 00:02:10.270 --> 00:02:14.509 doing in these past couple of episodes have been along the lines of that, 34 00:02:14.830 --> 00:02:19.300 the framework of that training, taking the slides that we present in that training, 35 00:02:19.340 --> 00:02:21.659 and if you've been a part of that training you know exactly what I'm 36 00:02:21.699 --> 00:02:25.259 talking about. If you have not, we basically have a keynote or powerpoint 37 00:02:25.300 --> 00:02:29.460 presentation that we go through and just touch on some of these things. We 38 00:02:29.699 --> 00:02:32.849 have probably a few minutes per slide really, because we can't just go on 39 00:02:34.009 --> 00:02:39.729 forever, and so we get into some basic stuff and some some pretty indepth 40 00:02:39.810 --> 00:02:44.319 stuff, but this is us kind of really taken a deeper dive into each 41 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.400 one of those slides. And this is a little out of order than what 42 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.960 we normally do, but this subject came up with some of our missionaries and 43 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.879 in some of our various cities they're dealing with angry people and and really tall 44 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.949 grief. Yeah, some pretty angry people. So we're going to talk about 45 00:03:00.270 --> 00:03:05.629 how we, as ministers of the Gospel, people that Love Truth and want 46 00:03:05.629 --> 00:03:08.509 to stand for truth, but people who also want to obey what the Scripture 47 00:03:08.550 --> 00:03:12.900 says, that we should be gentle and meek, humble and all of that. 48 00:03:15.139 --> 00:03:16.580 We're going to talk about how we deal with people when they're angry, 49 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:23.379 how we do that biblically. Yeah, so let's let's jump into a Vicky 50 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:28.250 yeah, what? What kind of people are we talking about? I mean 51 00:03:28.289 --> 00:03:30.250 this is like a no brainer for you guys that are listening. Of course 52 00:03:30.289 --> 00:03:34.289 you're thinking, well, it's the people going into the abortion center that are 53 00:03:34.330 --> 00:03:38.050 angry. But, yeah, is it always the moms that are going into 54 00:03:38.050 --> 00:03:40.050 the abortion center that we're dealing with who are angry at us for being there? 55 00:03:40.129 --> 00:03:44.800 Yeah, sometimes, but not always. In fact, I would say 56 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:52.639 more frequently it's the driver, a boyfriend, a friend who is trying to 57 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.669 defend the mom is often already in when the people who came brought her or 58 00:03:57.750 --> 00:04:03.270 whatever, come over and are angry on her behalf. Yeah, often times 59 00:04:03.310 --> 00:04:09.430 it's the socalled pro choice people out there that are angry. Sometimes it's even 60 00:04:09.430 --> 00:04:13.259 passer by. Some we've doubt. We don't. Today with a man who 61 00:04:13.419 --> 00:04:16.500 was driving past, didn't like what we were doing and wanted to express his 62 00:04:16.660 --> 00:04:20.220 anger at what we were doing. So it can be anyone. This is 63 00:04:20.579 --> 00:04:29.730 this is a high tension situation. Yeah, and people have strong opinions about 64 00:04:29.730 --> 00:04:41.279 abortion and the socalled pro choice movement. So they can be easily ignited. 65 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.279 You know, emotions, feelings can be easily ignited. Yeah, over the 66 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:51.079 subject. So basically it can be anyone, but but particularly literally the people 67 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:55.389 that are involved in the actual abortion, the mother of the friends who have 68 00:04:55.509 --> 00:04:58.589 brought it. Those are probably the most frequent. Yeah, and I think 69 00:04:58.709 --> 00:05:01.949 probably in my experience, I would say definitely agree with you, it's very 70 00:05:01.990 --> 00:05:06.110 seldom and my experience that it is the mother going into for the abortion right 71 00:05:06.379 --> 00:05:12.300 because she's she's dead set on the abortion. She's going to go in typically 72 00:05:12.420 --> 00:05:15.860 not even respond. Yeah, if you know, either she's going to respond 73 00:05:15.899 --> 00:05:19.500 positively or typically she's going to just go into the abortion center. Now there 74 00:05:19.540 --> 00:05:23.810 are times, of course, I think, being out there as many years 75 00:05:23.810 --> 00:05:28.689 as we have that I've seen angry mothers, but often times it's either the 76 00:05:28.810 --> 00:05:33.329 father of the baby or it's a friend or family member, something like that, 77 00:05:34.410 --> 00:05:38.720 like what you mentioned. And I do want to say that when it 78 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:44.439 is the pro choice the socalled pro choice people, we have seen. You 79 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.000 pointed this out and I think it is so true. It is most evident 80 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:57.310 following some sort of political or social event that they didn't like at pretty I 81 00:05:57.470 --> 00:06:00.509 know when trump was selected, there was a lot, yea of anger, 82 00:06:00.670 --> 00:06:06.060 and the anger escalated. So or when there's a shooting that they feel is 83 00:06:06.100 --> 00:06:14.180 unjust, certainly a police shooting, then we do see them take it out 84 00:06:14.180 --> 00:06:18.370 on us, even though we have nothing to do with with those events really. 85 00:06:19.129 --> 00:06:24.089 But, but, but it's you know, it helps to be aware 86 00:06:24.129 --> 00:06:27.649 of the news in a sense, because you will come knowing, well, 87 00:06:27.730 --> 00:06:30.810 there's probably going to be some heightened tension out here because of these events. 88 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:35.480 Yeah, and I think it's even though we might want to kind of push 89 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:40.439 people's buttons, we do have to be careful, you like with the blm 90 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.120 stuff, the black lives matter stuff, and police shootings. Like I think 91 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.920 there is you know, the Bible says, I think I've quoted this scripture 92 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.029 a lot, the Bible says that if we bless our brother early in the 93 00:06:49.069 --> 00:06:54.670 morning loudly, it will be perceived as a curse. So is there a 94 00:06:54.790 --> 00:06:58.790 time and an appropriate time to point out some of the I mean the targeting 95 00:06:58.870 --> 00:07:01.100 of Plant Parenthood against black people? And you know, if black lives truly 96 00:07:01.139 --> 00:07:04.620 do matter, why would we support plan parenthood? Yeah, I think absolutely 97 00:07:04.660 --> 00:07:08.579 we need to point that out. Yeah, but right after there was a 98 00:07:08.660 --> 00:07:13.500 police shooting that many people's perception is that was unjust or whatever. Whether or 99 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:16.529 not it was unjust, that can be talked about in some other setting. 100 00:07:16.529 --> 00:07:19.970 But out in front of the abortion center and calling out to black women going 101 00:07:20.009 --> 00:07:24.529 into the abortion center about you know, if you care about George Floyd, 102 00:07:24.649 --> 00:07:27.970 then you know you should care about the babies or dine or your baby. 103 00:07:28.050 --> 00:07:32.160 That's like right, you're poking a bear unnecessarily. Yeah, right. Even 104 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:38.480 what you wear, and this did come up once, where things that you 105 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:44.000 would never think about, someone wearing a shirt that said baby slife's matter, 106 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.750 and that seems like, well, of course baby slife's matter. Why would 107 00:07:46.790 --> 00:07:51.430 that anger anyone? But it set off a lot of people that became very 108 00:07:51.550 --> 00:07:59.139 angry about that because they felt it was a slam and a misunderstanding of the 109 00:07:59.300 --> 00:08:05.100 depth of their anger over other issues. Yeah, and and so we, 110 00:08:05.339 --> 00:08:09.379 I think in general, we really want to avoid those sorts of things, 111 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:15.730 just day away from them. Our mission is not to change the culture while 112 00:08:15.850 --> 00:08:20.610 we're out there regarding all these other issues. Yeah, our ministry is to 113 00:08:20.370 --> 00:08:24.610 hopefully save that unborn child. Yeah. So now, of course there's a 114 00:08:24.810 --> 00:08:28.680 there's a context for all of that and there's necessary conversations the need to be 115 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:33.679 had over all of that. Yeah, and as far as changing the culture 116 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.200 is concerned, we certainly do want to change the culture of death to a 117 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.240 culture of life. But on the sidewalk in front of the abortion center, 118 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:45.190 we're dealing with individual women, individual people going in. Yeah, that we 119 00:08:45.389 --> 00:08:48.110 want to have a oneonone conversation with. I think we've said it and made 120 00:08:48.110 --> 00:08:52.230 it very clear and are calling out training session or episode that we did, 121 00:08:52.429 --> 00:08:56.659 getting a little more in depth of that, that the goal of calling out 122 00:08:56.820 --> 00:09:00.940 is not just delivering information. It's certainly not just to be provocative and provoke 123 00:09:01.059 --> 00:09:05.299 people to anger. It's to provoke them to thought so that they would actually 124 00:09:05.340 --> 00:09:07.940 come and talk with us. Yes, now, I think that leads to 125 00:09:07.019 --> 00:09:11.210 it to one of the first points and maybe principles, and I could be 126 00:09:11.250 --> 00:09:13.529 jumping ahead of us just a little bit and kind of what we're talking about, 127 00:09:15.250 --> 00:09:20.809 but the principle of setting the tone with your tone. Yeah, right, 128 00:09:20.850 --> 00:09:24.519 so when you're calling out to people going into the abortion center and you're 129 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.200 calling out in some angry or accusatory tone, and we all know what that 130 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:33.039 sounds like. Yeah, right, we've all we've all had our mom when 131 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.679 we were a kid, called out to us, did you clean your room? 132 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.950 And it's accusatory. It's not a question, it's accusatory, right or 133 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:41.789 whatever. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. You know the tone 134 00:09:43.830 --> 00:09:48.429 that provokes you to anger or offense or just being aggravated, right, and 135 00:09:48.549 --> 00:09:54.139 so being careful not to come across with that tone. Now we can get 136 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:58.740 into I'm not trying to be Nitpicky, I'm not trying trying to be personally 137 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:01.860 like Mamsie pamsy like. We need to be bold, we need to speak 138 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:05.100 with boldness, we need to speak with confidence. I think that's an important 139 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:09.409 or important aspect of our tone, that it's a confident tone. Yeah, 140 00:10:09.850 --> 00:10:13.889 but our goal is to get them to come over and talk with us, 141 00:10:13.929 --> 00:10:16.090 and so we have to think what would lend itself, what kind of tone, 142 00:10:16.889 --> 00:10:22.519 what words would lend itself, lend themselves so someone actually stopping and coming 143 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.840 over and talking with us, rather than stopping and coming over and trying to 144 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.600 beat so exactly so, so, yet not not being accusatory and being inviting 145 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.990 and gentle and kind, and the Bible certainly talks about that. Our tone. 146 00:10:35.110 --> 00:10:39.230 We are to speak truth. Yeah, but you can speak truth in 147 00:10:39.590 --> 00:10:45.509 in in a manner of love and compassion, and one of the things that 148 00:10:45.750 --> 00:10:50.700 I have certainly discovered, and I'm still not as good at it as I 149 00:10:50.860 --> 00:10:56.899 wish I were, but when I ask questions as opposed to lecture. Yeah, 150 00:10:56.899 --> 00:11:00.659 and I know I'm not really there lecturing, and I'm not saying our 151 00:11:00.700 --> 00:11:05.409 counselors are lecturing, right, I'm saying that that's how it's perceived sometimes. 152 00:11:05.450 --> 00:11:13.049 If we're just listening off a whole bunch of truth and they someone can feel 153 00:11:13.570 --> 00:11:18.639 like it's a lecture and that's usually not as well received in my experience, 154 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.960 as when we ask a lot of questions. Yeah, asking questions help them 155 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.399 to draw their own conclusion and if you ask the right questions based on truth, 156 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.750 based on Biblical truth, they're going to hopefully come to the conclusion that 157 00:11:33.909 --> 00:11:37.429 is the biblical right. Yeah, inclusion, that certainly how you want to 158 00:11:37.549 --> 00:11:39.870 tailor your questions. Yeah. Well, one of the questions that you ask 159 00:11:39.990 --> 00:11:43.029 a lot for women going into the abortions in or in kind of the calling 160 00:11:43.070 --> 00:11:46.860 out scenario, but also in the one on one right, is what would 161 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:50.460 God have you do? Yeah, what are you? What are you communicating 162 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:54.419 in that where you're communicating. I mean it's a given. Of course. 163 00:11:54.620 --> 00:11:58.419 What would God have you do? He would have you to keep your baby, 164 00:11:58.500 --> 00:12:03.210 to protect your baby. Yeah, but you're not accusing them necessarily, 165 00:12:03.250 --> 00:12:05.769 right. You're putting it on them. What would God have you do? 166 00:12:05.850 --> 00:12:09.049 You're putting your planting that seed of like they need to steal on this and 167 00:12:09.129 --> 00:12:11.289 think on this. Rather than saying God would never have you kill your baby, 168 00:12:11.370 --> 00:12:13.850 you're saying what would God have you do? Right now, I'm more 169 00:12:13.889 --> 00:12:18.200 inclined to say God would never want you to go in there and take the 170 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.519 life of your baby. That's what I'm more inclined to say. Yeah, 171 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.639 but I do like that asking question. I've been the calling out or in 172 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.279 the one on one I think it is harder to ask the questions because I 173 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.669 also sometimes do say that God would never have any mother take the life of 174 00:12:33.750 --> 00:12:37.389 her child. I know I say that frequently, but I am more aware 175 00:12:37.190 --> 00:12:41.309 that if I if I phrase that instead as a question, it is less 176 00:12:41.509 --> 00:12:48.379 likely to ignite anger and defensiveness because it it feels to them I'm not accusing 177 00:12:48.419 --> 00:12:52.940 in a sense. Actually, probably sometimes I am, but it feels like 178 00:12:52.059 --> 00:12:58.179 an accusation. Yeah, and and whenever we accuse, that's going to they're 179 00:12:58.179 --> 00:13:01.169 going to be defensive. Yeah, we all are. We all are when 180 00:13:01.210 --> 00:13:05.330 we're when we're accused or think we're accused of something. Yeah. So, 181 00:13:05.129 --> 00:13:11.610 in addition to the asking questions, is in your responses, because they're going 182 00:13:11.610 --> 00:13:16.960 to answer and don't dismiss those responses. Yeah, expressing concern, compassion, 183 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.440 you talk a lot about in our slide, showing our our training to show 184 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.590 compassion. Yeah, and not fake compassion, true compassion. Rightly try, 185 00:13:28.149 --> 00:13:33.110 yeah, to understand from their perspective. Yeah, I know. I do 186 00:13:33.269 --> 00:13:37.029 want to say, just as we're touching on these things, yeah, that 187 00:13:37.830 --> 00:13:43.340 it doesn't matter and there's some scenarios and it doesn't matter how nice, how 188 00:13:43.419 --> 00:13:46.179 kind your tone is, it doesn't. I mean, I've seen people come 189 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:50.580 over to grandmalls that are just they are praying on the sidewalk, not saying 190 00:13:50.820 --> 00:13:56.250 anything, but praying on the sidewalk. Ye, be confronted by some angry 191 00:13:56.289 --> 00:13:58.730 person. Your presence out there, I think this is an understanding we have 192 00:13:58.850 --> 00:14:03.049 to have, is your presence just standing there, like those women going in. 193 00:14:03.690 --> 00:14:07.450 Many of them feel the conviction, they feel the guilt, and that 194 00:14:07.769 --> 00:14:13.679 conviction. That guilt, obviously, is about their accountability before God. They 195 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.879 know that they're accountable to God. They're angry with God, they're angry with 196 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.399 themselves, and your presence there is a representation of the one with whom they're 197 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.710 angry of God, right, like they know why you're there. They know 198 00:14:24.950 --> 00:14:28.230 that you know why that they're they're right there, there to kill their child. 199 00:14:28.350 --> 00:14:33.750 Yeah, and so just your presence being there brings guilt and sometimes guilt 200 00:14:33.909 --> 00:14:37.149 provokes this reaction of anger, right, rather than repentance, some people just 201 00:14:37.309 --> 00:14:41.220 get angry. Yeah, and again they blame God, they blame whoever else. 202 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:45.139 Try to play the blame game. So I do want to say that 203 00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:48.899 as much of these principles as you apply. There's just some principles, but 204 00:14:48.980 --> 00:14:52.370 it doesn't always mean that you're going to be able to diffuse every situation. 205 00:14:52.570 --> 00:14:56.090 But I do think, again, that there are some principles and an understanding 206 00:14:56.129 --> 00:15:00.210 that we need to have. That's a good foundation and that is helpful for 207 00:15:00.889 --> 00:15:05.210 diffusing angry people. At the abortion said yeah, that's a really good point, 208 00:15:05.250 --> 00:15:09.440 because we don't want anyone who has encountered an angry person that went south 209 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.320 to feel like it was their fault. It's not. It's the angry person's 210 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:18.200 fault. Yeah, nine times out of ten, but but yeah, these 211 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:24.669 are these are things that might help from you know, once they're they've lost 212 00:15:24.750 --> 00:15:31.110 it, once they're filled with anger, it's sometimes really hard. Then it's 213 00:15:31.190 --> 00:15:33.710 then we switch into now what do we do to protect ourselves? Yeah, 214 00:15:33.990 --> 00:15:39.659 so a lot of these things are how can we prevent it from escalating in 215 00:15:39.779 --> 00:15:41.659 the first place? What are some of the things that we can do that 216 00:15:41.779 --> 00:15:46.940 will prevent it from becoming to an on fire level where now you got to 217 00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:50.610 call in the fire engine? Yeah, and I think daddy is these. 218 00:15:50.690 --> 00:15:52.570 First couple of things that we touched on, right, is that our tone 219 00:15:52.610 --> 00:15:58.730 can set the tone, and then expressing concern or asking questions first rather than 220 00:15:58.850 --> 00:16:03.480 just bringing accusatory statements right. And then if there isn't exchange there and it's 221 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:08.799 getting heated, expressing concern, identifying, relating to that person. You know, 222 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:12.120 it might be something to just kind of a scenario I've seen play out 223 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.039 and I'm sure, I'm sure you have to. Let's say a mother is 224 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.269 walking into the abortion center to take the life of her child and her mother, 225 00:16:18.470 --> 00:16:22.269 the grandmother the child that's going to die, comes marching over and she's 226 00:16:22.309 --> 00:16:25.789 angry and she's saying, don't you know, my daughter has been through this 227 00:16:25.909 --> 00:16:29.190 and been through that and all this other stuff. Right, as the mother 228 00:16:29.309 --> 00:16:33.299 of a daughter, likely in that age, your daughter is twenty some years 229 00:16:33.340 --> 00:16:36.340 old, right. Yeah, you can identify with her and say, you 230 00:16:36.419 --> 00:16:40.019 know, I have a daughter that's that's just like your daughter and she has 231 00:16:40.059 --> 00:16:42.340 struggles and I want to protect her and I appreciate the fact that you want 232 00:16:42.379 --> 00:16:47.210 to protect your daughter at that, to me is a good response, because 233 00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:49.490 you're identifying as a father. I gues. I have a twenty three year 234 00:16:49.490 --> 00:16:55.009 old daughter. I could identify with a man who's angry at me for addressing 235 00:16:55.090 --> 00:16:56.690 his daughter, pleading with her not take the life of her baby. I 236 00:16:56.730 --> 00:17:00.889 can say, man, I appreciate your zeal to protect your daughter. Man, 237 00:17:00.970 --> 00:17:03.279 I'm not here, yeah, to be your enemy. I'm here to 238 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.519 offer help. Well, also, what you're doing, you are empathizing, 239 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.559 but I think what you're doing another principle we talked about later on. It 240 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.789 is you're bringing in something. These are people that are beaten down, or 241 00:17:15.789 --> 00:17:18.589 they wouldn't be there. There, you know, they, they they and 242 00:17:18.670 --> 00:17:21.990 they feel terrible. I know they do, whether they admitted or not. 243 00:17:22.190 --> 00:17:26.230 And what you've done is you've pointed out a positive and that's sometimes really hard 244 00:17:26.269 --> 00:17:32.779 to think of or defined when you're watching someone going to murder their child. 245 00:17:33.019 --> 00:17:37.579 Yeah, but you did in that example. That's a beautiful, perfect example, 246 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:42.099 because that is often what happened. Someone is protecting their friend, their 247 00:17:42.180 --> 00:17:48.130 girlfriend, their child and that and not only is that a positive quality, 248 00:17:48.529 --> 00:17:53.650 but you can use that to promote your case. But that I'm born baby, 249 00:17:53.769 --> 00:17:59.240 you can say I love how you're protecting your your child, and I 250 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.680 just pray that you would feel that same desire to protect your grandchild, because 251 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.599 it's an admirable quality. Yeah, so that you can even further that you 252 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.309 know your your agenda, which is really to save that child. But yeah, 253 00:18:12.430 --> 00:18:21.269 being being empathetic is really critical and something that I read when we briefly 254 00:18:22.190 --> 00:18:26.710 googled. How do you diffuse the situation? Make sure they feel heard. 255 00:18:26.990 --> 00:18:32.099 Yeah, offer reflective comments. So reflect back what they've just said. I 256 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:37.740 know you're angry because you wish that we wouldn't point out that that abortion is 257 00:18:37.900 --> 00:18:41.009 taking an innocent child's life. Yeah, so don't even don't even need to 258 00:18:41.130 --> 00:18:45.289 say the butt that will follow. That just reflect they that they have been 259 00:18:45.410 --> 00:18:51.849 heard. That alone sometimes diffuses anger because so many people, I know, 260 00:18:52.049 --> 00:18:59.400 my anger erupts the most when I have expressed a concern and I feel like 261 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.799 it's just been blown off, no one's listening and no one understands. So 262 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.519 then another thing in that same article I read was wait until the person has 263 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:12.789 released their frustration and explained to how they're feeling. Yeah, yeah, sometimes, 264 00:19:14.869 --> 00:19:17.109 to me and my experience that I don't know if it's the way the 265 00:19:17.230 --> 00:19:19.549 Lord is wired me or he just I think it's he's just giving me grace 266 00:19:19.630 --> 00:19:23.539 in these situations. But when someone comes out and they're just Raven mad at 267 00:19:23.539 --> 00:19:26.859 me, one of the things I've learned to do is just don't say anything. 268 00:19:27.140 --> 00:19:30.180 Yeah, just listen, don't respond, look at them as best I 269 00:19:30.259 --> 00:19:34.819 can conveil my face a look of compassion. Yeah, empathy. Yeah, 270 00:19:34.940 --> 00:19:40.410 you connecting with them on that level and just let them poured out right on 271 00:19:40.569 --> 00:19:44.410 me. Yeah, not because I deserve that or anything like that, but 272 00:19:45.410 --> 00:19:48.490 in reality I find my value, and I think this is an important point, 273 00:19:48.529 --> 00:19:52.880 don't take it personal, because I find my value in what God says 274 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.960 in his word and what someone says about me that I don't even know, 275 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.119 and they're because often times it is you're this, you're that, you're judging 276 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.759 people, all this other stuff. It's like, well, I could defend 277 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:04.960 myself and say, no, I'm not judging people. Actually, the Bible 278 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:07.150 says Blah, blah, Blah Blah. I can do that, I can 279 00:20:07.150 --> 00:20:11.109 go back and forth with them and all of that stuff, right, but 280 00:20:11.230 --> 00:20:14.910 in reality I find my value and what God says about me, not what 281 00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.710 they're saying about me. So I don't need to take it personal, because 282 00:20:17.750 --> 00:20:22.019 that's really when the situation gets even more escalated. It's when we start to 283 00:20:22.099 --> 00:20:26.339 respond, when someone comes at US and anger. Yeah, and we start 284 00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:30.140 to take it personal and get defensive and then we respond back in anger. 285 00:20:30.339 --> 00:20:33.380 Right, this is like, you know, fighting fire with fire. What 286 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:36.369 happens? Yeah, the whole thing goes up in flames. Yeah, right. 287 00:20:36.410 --> 00:20:40.529 Yeah. So the Bible gives us a very, I think, a 288 00:20:40.609 --> 00:20:45.329 principle that everybody should have, which is a soft answer turns away wrath. 289 00:20:45.410 --> 00:20:48.930 Right, yeah, and that's a that's a biblical principle. I think every 290 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:56.759 secular philosopher or psychologist or whatever in the universe would recognize this. Biblical principle 291 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:02.160 is a truth that we all need to apply. That's solved. Answer Turns 292 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:07.230 Away Wrath. When someone is angry at you, answering softly and then even 293 00:21:07.470 --> 00:21:11.390 sometimes keeping your mouth shut, right, is a good way to defuse them. 294 00:21:11.470 --> 00:21:15.869 Just let them vent their stuff. And, yeah, don't, don't 295 00:21:15.150 --> 00:21:18.180 poke the bar even more, right. Yeah, I think that that is 296 00:21:18.339 --> 00:21:23.099 probably the very single most effective thing, yeah, that we can do, 297 00:21:23.259 --> 00:21:29.859 and we talk about in our training that literally, put your hands up. 298 00:21:29.859 --> 00:21:34.049 Yes, though, in surrender, to take a step back, taking a 299 00:21:34.170 --> 00:21:41.369 step back. They're coming at you. Taking a step back is a step 300 00:21:41.450 --> 00:21:48.920 of humility, yeah, and not of cowardice, but of a peace maker. 301 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.519 Yeah, I think so, take a step back, hands up and 302 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.279 surrender and say I'm not your enemy, we're only here to help. I'm 303 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:02.789 so sorry that it has so upset you. Yeah, something along those lines. 304 00:22:02.829 --> 00:22:06.710 Yeah, there is a sense in which in these situations, like I'm 305 00:22:06.750 --> 00:22:10.589 not trying to defend myself, but I'm trying to make explanation, when they're 306 00:22:10.630 --> 00:22:12.390 angry at me and they're coming at me, where I'll say something like listen, 307 00:22:12.430 --> 00:22:15.059 we're just here to offer help. Hey, I'm sorry, that what 308 00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:18.700 I said offended you. But I'm not trying to offend you, right. 309 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:22.980 I'm just trying to share with you the help in the resources and I will 310 00:22:23.059 --> 00:22:27.579 kind of and maybe maybe rebuke me if you think I'm wrong in this, 311 00:22:29.500 --> 00:22:32.130 but I will kind of within our three talking points, what God says, 312 00:22:32.289 --> 00:22:34.809 the humanity, the baby in the resources. I'll kind of go right to 313 00:22:34.890 --> 00:22:38.450 the resource thing and I'll really hyper focus on that. Yeah, because what 314 00:22:38.569 --> 00:22:42.410 it does show is that we're here to help or not just here to state 315 00:22:42.569 --> 00:22:45.319 facts. We're not just here to, you know, talk about God and 316 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.839 talk about your baby. We're here to help you, and I think it 317 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.599 does help diffuse sometimes, because the way that they're able to fuel their anger 318 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.559 and justify their anger against us is to say that all you're doing is, 319 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:03.150 you know, judging people, all you're doing is saying things that are concerning 320 00:23:03.230 --> 00:23:07.789 the baby. But when I'm talking about resources, but I'm really showing them, 321 00:23:07.950 --> 00:23:11.990 no, that's not all we're here to do. We're actually here also 322 00:23:11.109 --> 00:23:15.259 to offer help. Yeah, and so it helps them and can even make 323 00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:18.140 them feel a little guilty because they've got these false notions of who we are. 324 00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:22.940 They've got these notions in their mind that we're that we're angry, and 325 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:26.890 so they need to combat our our anger, in our rage against them with 326 00:23:26.970 --> 00:23:30.690 their anger and rage. And so they've come at at was come at us 327 00:23:30.769 --> 00:23:33.329 with that because that's what they heard from the abortion clinic. Right. I'm 328 00:23:33.369 --> 00:23:37.329 have had people that have come over angry after they had an exchange with the 329 00:23:37.410 --> 00:23:41.369 pro abortion people, you know, the the clinic escorts are quoting people and 330 00:23:41.410 --> 00:23:44.359 the probortion people that have an exchange with them, and they'll come at me 331 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.920 angry because those people like fueled some kind of sparks, some kind of fire, 332 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.160 or fueled some kind of fire that was there in these people's hearts already 333 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:57.029 and really spurred them on too angry, extend angry, angry exchange with me. 334 00:23:57.789 --> 00:24:03.269 Yeah, and that's hard to diffuse. But then coming back and saying, 335 00:24:03.309 --> 00:24:04.789 actually, what they said about me is not true. Yeah, and 336 00:24:04.869 --> 00:24:07.349 here's how I can help it. That's how we can know. I think 337 00:24:07.430 --> 00:24:11.259 that's so much better. That is I think when they're storming at you, 338 00:24:12.019 --> 00:24:15.980 it is not the point to probably a most cases, start quoting scripture. 339 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:21.740 Yeah, most greatest scripture is, I think, when someone is ready to 340 00:24:21.859 --> 00:24:27.049 pound you, letting them know I'm what the help is which and then another 341 00:24:27.210 --> 00:24:32.250 point is to say, look, we want to help you, but we 342 00:24:32.730 --> 00:24:34.569 don't know what you're at the issues are. Tell us, yeah, tell 343 00:24:34.609 --> 00:24:40.440 us what's going on. Let us so asking them the obstacles and and finding 344 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:44.519 time to do that earlier rather than later. Yeah, so that they again 345 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:49.240 it shows compassion, but it helps them. It helps them to see us 346 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.710 in light of what we really are. were. They're offering help, we 347 00:24:52.829 --> 00:24:57.509 have angible resources. Yeah, we're not just judging. I don't believe we're 348 00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:03.150 judge. Yeah, I believe judging is is biblical, but if it's going 349 00:25:03.269 --> 00:25:07.140 to just feel their anger, I'm not going to probably want to be talking 350 00:25:07.180 --> 00:25:10.539 about that. I think. I think your strategy is absolutely spot on. 351 00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:11.940 That's what that's what I think you should do. I mean one of the 352 00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:17.099 things we can put ourselves into position of doing we've got an angry, irrational 353 00:25:17.140 --> 00:25:22.490 person, yeah, is try to ration with an irrational perside. Try to 354 00:25:22.490 --> 00:25:26.609 rational. Try to be rational with an irrational person. Is Not is not 355 00:25:26.730 --> 00:25:30.130 going to we're typically not going to work. So there's like things that need 356 00:25:30.210 --> 00:25:33.690 to be said. Sometimes you need to keep your mouth shut again, right, 357 00:25:33.849 --> 00:25:37.039 sometimes you need to say things. They can help just in their minds, 358 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.640 show them that you you care about them, yeah, that you want 359 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.319 to identify with them. Yeah, because it's really hard to be angry at 360 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.480 a person that you know cares about you. Right, right, something that 361 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:55.390 I would say no sidewalk councilor should ever do, and I feel very strongly 362 00:25:55.470 --> 00:25:57.470 about this. You can correct me if you think I'm wrong. But but 363 00:25:59.789 --> 00:26:07.859 do it gently. Is We should never nick called names, never resort to 364 00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:11.500 name calling. I just think, and I have heard it, I do 365 00:26:11.779 --> 00:26:15.059 hear it. I'm on it. I've done it, like with an angry 366 00:26:15.099 --> 00:26:18.339 father. Yeah, and respond to him. Right, Colin mccaward? Yeah, 367 00:26:18.460 --> 00:26:22.170 yeah, and I understand that some of this name call it's true. 368 00:26:22.410 --> 00:26:26.970 I mean it's truth. Things that are true, and that's what I'll hear 369 00:26:26.170 --> 00:26:30.809 people the that do that often as a matter of course. And you do 370 00:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.799 not do that as a matter of course. I've heard you. But Um, 371 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.400 but if there are people that are doing that as a matter of course, 372 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.880 I think they really have to examine their own level of anger, because 373 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:51.430 name calling is not out of respect or gentleness or compassion. Yeah, and 374 00:26:51.670 --> 00:27:00.309 it I don't think it ever leads to promoting peace or a good conversation. 375 00:27:00.430 --> 00:27:03.259 Yeah, I think right away hackles are up, I am if someone calls 376 00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:07.220 me names, the last thing I want to do is try and talk reasonably 377 00:27:07.339 --> 00:27:10.259 with them. Yeah, I want to lash out. So I just think 378 00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:12.980 that that is something that everyone, all of us, are guilty of it 379 00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:18.529 at one point or another, and I think we need to really are examine 380 00:27:18.569 --> 00:27:21.769 our motives. Yeah, when that comes out of our mouth. And I've 381 00:27:21.769 --> 00:27:26.890 been thinking about that a lot because I was thinking, okay, Jesus did 382 00:27:26.529 --> 00:27:30.039 call some people names. Yeah, he did. Whitewashed Tomb, or was 383 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.039 that Paul? No, she's that was Jesus. Okay, White, why, 384 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.920 that's pretty nasty. You're a whitewash tomb. Yeah, I don't think 385 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.079 that you can look at rude of snakes, Rudy, yeah, thanks, 386 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.509 Judea Vipers, right, Yep, Yep, so he did. I think 387 00:27:45.549 --> 00:27:51.549 it was rare. I don't think that you could characterize Jesus as name calling. 388 00:27:51.910 --> 00:27:56.589 No, but it wasn't absent, and so that's why I think about 389 00:27:56.589 --> 00:28:04.180 it, because I think that there are cases where something is descriptive that that 390 00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:10.220 maybe would stop someone in their tracks, but I it's surely not the time 391 00:28:10.339 --> 00:28:11.930 to do it. It's when someone's about to, you know, plunge a 392 00:28:11.930 --> 00:28:15.849 knife in your chest. Yeah, and in the scenario, I think, 393 00:28:15.049 --> 00:28:19.369 as you read the scripture, when Jesus calls the Pharisees Whitewashed Tombs or snakes 394 00:28:19.369 --> 00:28:22.569 children, is not one of these scenarios where you've got an angry person in 395 00:28:22.690 --> 00:28:27.000 your face. Right, this is this is him really not for the sake 396 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.119 of the Pharisees. I mean for in one sense, for their sake that 397 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:36.240 he's pointing out their hypocrisy to them, but I think more so it's he's 398 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.799 pointing out their hypocrisy to the crowd. Right, yes, people are whitewashed 399 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.109 tombs, yeah, they're telling you to do things that they themselves don't do. 400 00:28:44.549 --> 00:28:48.349 Yeah, they're hypocrites, all these other things. And he really wasn't. 401 00:28:48.670 --> 00:28:52.109 The spirit of the motivation of it, obviously, was pure, because 402 00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:55.670 we're talking about Jesus, right, right, and so the motivation was not 403 00:28:55.779 --> 00:29:00.180 one of selfishness and self validation, because often times that's what can happen when 404 00:29:00.259 --> 00:29:04.420 we respond to an angry person in an angry way with some kind of accusation 405 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:08.539 or name calling. Typically it flows out of a place of self validation. 406 00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:12.329 They just called you something, and so you want to call them something back, 407 00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:18.450 and so that something might actually be a sanctified something like, for example, 408 00:29:18.890 --> 00:29:21.890 fool. Right, you call them a fool when the Bible says clearly 409 00:29:22.170 --> 00:29:26.480 that in proverbs. All through proverbs, the Bible Call Certain People Fools. 410 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.000 Well, we might sanctify it and listen to I'll speak from experience because I've 411 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.880 done this myself. Yeah, well, I call someone a fool and I 412 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.319 can justify it because biblically the Bible says people are fools. It despise God, 413 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.589 that despise wisdom and understanding, and I'm trying to give wisdom and understanding 414 00:29:41.789 --> 00:29:45.430 their fool. Right. But if I examine my heart, yeah, the 415 00:29:45.509 --> 00:29:48.710 reality is I'm calling them a fool because they just called me something. They 416 00:29:48.750 --> 00:29:52.710 called me as good white supremacist, or they called me exactly you big it 417 00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:56.539 or right, whatever they need write names. I can't say on this podcast 418 00:29:56.140 --> 00:30:00.140 because I wouldn't say on this podcast. And so, yeah, we have 419 00:30:00.220 --> 00:30:03.819 to examine our hearts, examine our motive and all, at the end of 420 00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:10.329 the day, what is our desire when we're speaking out in front of the 421 00:30:10.369 --> 00:30:14.089 abortion center? I think, above everything, like we said, often it's 422 00:30:14.170 --> 00:30:18.849 to glorify the Lord. Right, it's the glorify Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, 423 00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:22.200 so as you were talking, I was thinking, okay, that wasn't 424 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.119 an angry situation when he was talking to the Pharisees. But I and that's 425 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:30.160 I was thinking. Okay, when did Jesus meet angry mobs? Because he 426 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.759 did. One's at times absolutely look at when the the whole crowd of the 427 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.869 people ready to stone the woman caught an adultery. And how did Jesus respond? 428 00:30:37.950 --> 00:30:41.269 He asked questions. Yeah, he said, which of you is without 429 00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:45.069 sin? CAST THE FIRST STONE? Yeah, and that was a question. 430 00:30:45.190 --> 00:30:51.539 Again, not accusing, he's he's just he's asking a legitimate question. That 431 00:30:51.619 --> 00:30:56.619 made them all stop and think. Yeah. Or when he's led, but 432 00:30:56.859 --> 00:31:00.339 from the angry mob that comes to get him to take him to the crucifixion, 433 00:31:00.460 --> 00:31:03.019 How did he respond? Silence. Yeah, he he was like a 434 00:31:03.019 --> 00:31:07.329 lamb led to the slaughter and said not a word. Yeah. So I 435 00:31:07.450 --> 00:31:11.609 think those are I mean those are both kind of extreme situations and they're they're 436 00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.289 not necessarily like what we face at an abortion center, but I think it 437 00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:23.920 does show how we can respond in a godlike way to to anger to hopefully 438 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.440 diffuse. Of course, says the he was being led to the cruise fixtion 439 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:33.309 at hardly diffused the situation, but it with. In the case of the 440 00:31:33.349 --> 00:31:37.390 adopterswoman, it definitely did. They all left and no one stoned her, 441 00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:41.829 and that that mob was subdued. Yeah, by a question. Yeah, 442 00:31:42.549 --> 00:31:45.750 yeah, absolutely. And there was a one point. I'm actually trying to 443 00:31:45.789 --> 00:31:49.420 look for the scripture here. You guys can dig for this is your this 444 00:31:49.539 --> 00:31:52.660 is your Bible Challenge. Okay, promise you would say in the scripture there's 445 00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:56.779 at one point where there was an angry mob that came after Jesus. This 446 00:31:56.980 --> 00:32:00.140 was before the crucifixion. This is in the midst of his teaching and all 447 00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.130 of this. Right, I think it was it after he the he made 448 00:32:02.170 --> 00:32:06.690 the pigs, the demon, to run into the pigs and the pains. 449 00:32:06.809 --> 00:32:08.730 Not The people came to stone him, him because they were so mad. 450 00:32:09.009 --> 00:32:12.569 Yeah, well, in that situation they told him to leave. They weren't 451 00:32:12.569 --> 00:32:15.000 coming to stone him. Okay, they were offended at his action. There's 452 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.920 a lot of reasons why. I possibly so. I'm not talking about that 453 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.359 story, but there's another story in which, and again don't quote me on 454 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.200 this. This is, you, guys, Bible Trivi. I'm trying to 455 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:28.079 look it up on my computer but I can't find exactly the scripture to them, 456 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.630 but I'm talking about but I promise it's there. They came to make 457 00:32:30.710 --> 00:32:32.990 Jesus the king. Oh, right, and then he kind of, kind 458 00:32:34.029 --> 00:32:37.829 of not, he kind of turns it around. Yeah, and then they 459 00:32:37.910 --> 00:32:42.390 ultimately they want to kill him. Right. So the Bible says he actually 460 00:32:42.430 --> 00:32:45.420 slips out, yeah, from their midst. Yeah, he didn't. He 461 00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:49.460 didn't stand up on a rock and start just preaching at them and telling them 462 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:52.819 how wicked and reprobated they are and all of this. He just he just 463 00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:57.180 slips, kind of melts away. And it seems like Jesus, and I 464 00:32:57.299 --> 00:33:01.049 think he gives us this principle as well in in our day and age, 465 00:33:01.089 --> 00:33:04.369 but also dealt with it in his day and age. It seems like when 466 00:33:04.410 --> 00:33:07.769 people are resistant to the truth, he'll sting him with some truth, little 467 00:33:07.809 --> 00:33:12.490 bit more truth maybe, and then if they're content to remain in their sin 468 00:33:12.569 --> 00:33:15.559 and be obstinate, he'll just let them remain in their sin and be obstinate. 469 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.359 Right, yeah's we can find ourselves sometimes in a position where someone's angry 470 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.119 with us, they're not listening to what we're saying, they're just angry and 471 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.509 pouring out their anger on us, and we want to try to set them 472 00:33:27.589 --> 00:33:30.230 straight and want to try to stand our ground because we don't want to be 473 00:33:30.430 --> 00:33:34.029 perceived as cowards or cowardly. And and really, again, it can be 474 00:33:34.430 --> 00:33:37.829 prideful. Yeah, it's has been for me. Yeah, when in reality, 475 00:33:37.950 --> 00:33:39.829 like I said earlier, we just need to let God deal with them. 476 00:33:39.990 --> 00:33:44.299 That mean ultimately it's God that changes the heart. Yeah, yeah, 477 00:33:44.380 --> 00:33:47.380 scripture. The Lord helped me with this is some years ago, as I 478 00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:51.700 was reading through the book of proverbs. Proverbs is so chalk ful. The 479 00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:55.490 wisdom it is is the book of Wisdom. As a man, I know 480 00:33:55.650 --> 00:34:00.289 especially, we don't want to back away from a fight, right, and 481 00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:05.210 there is a sense in which even in Christian men there's just warrior spirit, 482 00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.890 right. That's the reason why I'm out there. One of the reasons why 483 00:34:07.890 --> 00:34:12.159 I'm out there is because children are dying, right, and I should stand 484 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.880 as a man who loves Jesus. I should stand against that evil and I 485 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.199 could. I should stand boldly, right, and anyone who's ever been on 486 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.960 the sidewalk with me. If you would accuse me of not standing boldly, 487 00:34:23.630 --> 00:34:28.269 you're not you're not watching what's happening, because I I do stand boldly. 488 00:34:28.309 --> 00:34:30.230 I'm not saying that that to my own horn. Yeah, but I'm there 489 00:34:30.469 --> 00:34:34.429 speak of the truth's what we need to do. That's what every man should 490 00:34:34.469 --> 00:34:37.909 do. I'm not cowering down, I'm not cowering away from speaking the truth. 491 00:34:37.989 --> 00:34:39.900 Yeah, that abortion is murder. I'm not carrying away from the Gospel. 492 00:34:39.940 --> 00:34:44.820 I'm speaking all of that stuff right, and with that along that same 493 00:34:44.820 --> 00:34:47.139 vein, when someone's anger with me, especially if it's another man. Yeah, 494 00:34:47.139 --> 00:34:50.300 I want to stand firm, I want to stand bold, I want 495 00:34:50.300 --> 00:34:53.010 to speak back some truth to combat the lie that he's just spoken against me. 496 00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:58.849 Right, but the Bible says, and this is what the Lord struck 497 00:34:58.929 --> 00:35:00.889 me with, and proverbs chapter twenty, verse three, it says it's honorable 498 00:35:00.929 --> 00:35:06.050 for a man to stop striving, since any any fool, can start a 499 00:35:06.090 --> 00:35:08.960 quarrel. Any fool cant, any fool coral. That gives you a whole 500 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:14.000 different perception of when you're fighting, because act as a man. The thinking 501 00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.800 is that if I back down, then I'm going to be perceived as a 502 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.750 coward and and the tendency can sometimes be a little over the top with that 503 00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:28.829 to when someone comes out, especially another man who's angry with me, for 504 00:35:29.230 --> 00:35:30.750 for me to want to stand my ground, if he says some kind of 505 00:35:30.789 --> 00:35:35.150 accusation against me, you're you're this, you're that, you're not this, 506 00:35:35.349 --> 00:35:37.739 you're not that, whatever their accusation, I want to come back with that, 507 00:35:37.900 --> 00:35:42.980 with some kind of scriptural truth to defend myself. Right. But this 508 00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:46.460 scripture, proverbs twenty verse three, tells me, and the thinking can be 509 00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:51.090 from a man's perspective, I don't know about you, from your perspective, 510 00:35:51.170 --> 00:35:55.610 that if I back down, then I'm a coward myself. Yeah, and 511 00:35:57.289 --> 00:36:00.849 there's sometimes that's what goes through my mind. But also sometimes what cloes through 512 00:36:00.889 --> 00:36:04.559 my mind is I'm charged by God to speak. I've got a spirit of 513 00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:07.800 truth and I kind of I just want to just keep pushing what I think 514 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.840 I'm called to do. Yeah, so this scripture in my mind again it's 515 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.639 like it be dishonorable for me to back away from night. Be Dishonorable for 516 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:20.309 me not to tell that guy who's angry at me, even though he's taking 517 00:36:20.389 --> 00:36:23.269 his girlfriend and to kill his own child. He's angry at me for judging 518 00:36:23.309 --> 00:36:27.230 him or something like that. Be Dishonorable for me not to set him straight. 519 00:36:27.349 --> 00:36:30.590 But actually, the Bible says in proverbs twenty, verse three, it 520 00:36:30.789 --> 00:36:34.219 is honorable for a man to stop striving, since any fool can start a 521 00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:38.699 quarrel, any fool, doesn't matter how much biblical knowledge or how how little 522 00:36:38.739 --> 00:36:43.659 biblical knowledge you have. Doesn't matter how close to Jesus you are or how 523 00:36:43.699 --> 00:36:46.250 far away from Jesus you are. Any fool, any old fool, can 524 00:36:46.289 --> 00:36:50.210 start a quarrel. Anybody can start a fight. Yeah, so, yeah, 525 00:36:50.250 --> 00:36:52.730 the implication here is that in by can start a fight, but not 526 00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:57.050 just anybody can really back down from a fight. It really takes an honorable 527 00:36:57.130 --> 00:37:00.610 person. Yeah, regardless of what the world says. The world says you've 528 00:37:00.650 --> 00:37:04.280 got to stand for your honor and all this other stuff. If you want 529 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.559 to stand for honor, stand for honor the way God says to and just 530 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.960 back down. Yeah, that fight if again, we we have to be 531 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.909 led by the Holy Spirit. There are times where I've stood and when I've 532 00:37:17.909 --> 00:37:22.110 had somebody accusing me of whatever it might be. Again, some angry person 533 00:37:22.190 --> 00:37:27.070 out there right where I have pushed back with some truth where I have gone 534 00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:30.820 a little bit back and forth with them, but there's been probably more times 535 00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:32.420 where I've said, you know, I'm not your enemy, I'm not here 536 00:37:32.420 --> 00:37:36.219 to argue with you, and I just leave it at that. Yeah, 537 00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:39.820 and I think that part of the ability to do that is to trust that 538 00:37:40.099 --> 00:37:45.369 God knows everything that's going on. He knows that person, he sees that 539 00:37:45.530 --> 00:37:51.010 person. You have planted seeds and now trust, just trust that God is 540 00:37:51.170 --> 00:37:54.929 going to take it from there or someone else will. It's not over and 541 00:37:55.050 --> 00:37:59.320 I think we, when we want to fight really hard. For me anyway, 542 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.480 I feel like this is my last chance. I've got to do it 543 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:07.039 now. I feel the urgency and sometimes I think that's just me. It's 544 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.639 all me. I got to do it instead of let it's not my own 545 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.750 battle. There's others that are going to battle. Yeah, for for the 546 00:38:15.949 --> 00:38:19.949 for if not for this child, for the soul of that person, and 547 00:38:20.349 --> 00:38:24.110 and there's God, and just trust that that he will bring the increase. 548 00:38:24.150 --> 00:38:28.380 He always does. Yes, always his battle in the end. Yeah. 549 00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:34.539 So yeah, I mean that that whole dynamic of weird just planting seeds in 550 00:38:34.780 --> 00:38:37.380 watering seeds, and goddess God's the one that's got to give the increase, 551 00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:40.690 not us. Yeah, like I literally can't take a plant and pull it 552 00:38:40.769 --> 00:38:44.570 out of the ground and make it grow more. Right, the same PRINSIPH 553 00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:47.130 I. I really can't go in someone's heart, yeah, from an angry 554 00:38:47.170 --> 00:38:52.250 person to a broken person, yeah, and change their heart. Yeah, 555 00:38:52.409 --> 00:38:54.880 ultimately it's God that does that. I've just got a plant and water seeds, 556 00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.039 and there's a point at which you can over water a seed. Yeah, 557 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.199 you can do too much to a seed sometimes and end up killing the 558 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.389 seed. Yeah, and so there comes a point where further argument or further 559 00:39:09.590 --> 00:39:15.269 discussion is not productive. Yeah, and that, you know, it takes 560 00:39:15.389 --> 00:39:20.670 discernment. If they're about to punch you in the nose, it's probably no 561 00:39:20.909 --> 00:39:23.300 longer productive. It's time to move on. And, of course, the 562 00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:28.619 pearls before swine, yeah, comes to mind as the perfect verse. Yeah, 563 00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:34.739 when that happened. I think this is a actually a major you're verse 564 00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:37.460 that we need to focus on when we're dealing with angry people and we're when 565 00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:42.369 we're dealing with nonreceptive people. Right, Jesus says, do not give what 566 00:39:42.489 --> 00:39:45.929 is holy to dogs. And we have the truth. We have the truth 567 00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:47.889 of God's word, of who God is, what God says about abortion, 568 00:39:47.969 --> 00:39:51.690 what he says about these moms and these babies. We've got this body of 569 00:39:51.769 --> 00:39:54.360 truth and we're trying to deliver that information and get them to come and talk 570 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.440 with us and all of that. But if they're just not receptive, yeah, 571 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.360 they become not I always have to give this coffee a caveat. We're 572 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.440 not talking that these women are dogs, that they don't have any value, 573 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.909 that they're just swine, they're just pigs and we're just named calling. That's 574 00:40:08.949 --> 00:40:13.710 not what this is right. But what he's really talking about here is categories 575 00:40:13.750 --> 00:40:16.750 of people, and he's, of course talking to Jewish people, and they 576 00:40:16.829 --> 00:40:22.059 do think of gentiles and people that are not Jewish as dogs and as swine. 577 00:40:22.739 --> 00:40:25.460 So, I guess, Jesus and one sin is relating to the Jewish 578 00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:31.460 people like these these holy things that we have. And actually I think he's 579 00:40:31.500 --> 00:40:35.969 doing something that might be offensive to the to the Jewish leaders, is he's 580 00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:39.690 actually identifying them those who resistant to the truth. They think the gentiles are 581 00:40:39.809 --> 00:40:45.409 swine and dogs, but the Jews themselves who are rejecting him, the Jewish 582 00:40:45.409 --> 00:40:49.250 leaders, I would say specifically the Pharisees, are putting themselves right in line 583 00:40:49.530 --> 00:40:52.800 with these gentiles by not receiving the truth. But here's what Jesus says. 584 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:58.800 He doesn't say if they're if they're not receiving what you're saying, then you 585 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.159 need to call them dogs and swine. Right now. That's not his point, 586 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.389 not a point. And now his point is, I think, to 587 00:41:05.510 --> 00:41:07.829 shut your mouth. Yeah, like, if they're not receptive, don't try. 588 00:41:07.909 --> 00:41:12.670 If the soil will not take the seed, don't try to push it 589 00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:15.230 down in there. Just say, okay, the soil is too hard, 590 00:41:15.269 --> 00:41:19.380 it's not ready for the seed. Yeah, and I think there's a bit 591 00:41:19.699 --> 00:41:24.019 of self preservation in this scripture, because I never noticed until you pointed that 592 00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:28.179 out. This is good. You should read this scripture. So that that, 593 00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.260 because I bet other people have missed that endpoint of that scripture like I 594 00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:35.170 did. Yeah, so we kind of have this idea don't give what's holy 595 00:41:35.250 --> 00:41:37.929 to dogs, don't throw your pearls before swine, and we kind of we 596 00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:42.010 kind of leave it there. Yeah, which the principle is don't speak the 597 00:41:42.090 --> 00:41:45.329 Gospel, speak the truth to people are just completely resistant. They're angry with 598 00:41:45.449 --> 00:41:50.440 you. Just don't do it right. But this next component, or they 599 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.159 will trample them under feet. So that's terrible for the for the pearls right, 600 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.639 right, and turn to tear you to pieces. So a little bit 601 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.590 of self preservation in the scripture. Sometimes people turn and try to tear you 602 00:42:02.630 --> 00:42:07.309 to pieces because you've not applied this principle of not given what's holy to dogs 603 00:42:07.829 --> 00:42:12.230 and giving this these pearls, he's awesome, pearls of truth to swine, 604 00:42:12.429 --> 00:42:16.219 to people whose hearts are hardened, whose soil is not been tilled. You 605 00:42:16.300 --> 00:42:20.460 know, sometimes you just again need to leave in God's hands. Yeah, 606 00:42:20.780 --> 00:42:23.579 for for the sake of the pearls themselves, the truth, the precious trees 607 00:42:23.619 --> 00:42:27.500 of God's word, and then for your own sake so they don't come around 608 00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:31.449 and tear you up. A yeah, yeah, it's a that's a perfect 609 00:42:31.530 --> 00:42:37.650 verset, a great first that because also your time is very valuable, what 610 00:42:37.730 --> 00:42:43.090 you're doing out there, and if you're spending maybe not necessarily that they're angry, 611 00:42:43.170 --> 00:42:45.639 but you're spending a lot of time with with someone who just is not 612 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:51.119 hearing it, then it's time sometimes to move on. Yeah, and to 613 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.400 find those receptive hearts who will hear it? Yeah, when are our next 614 00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.429 point, was on our list of points we were going over, was it's 615 00:43:00.429 --> 00:43:04.510 a little bit controversial. We're not sure if it's good or bad. It 616 00:43:04.710 --> 00:43:07.710 sometimes can be both, and that's if violence has it's reached the point where, 617 00:43:07.869 --> 00:43:12.630 okay, threats, their people are making threats or there's direct violence, 618 00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:17.500 we train our people to pull out their phone and start video taking, but 619 00:43:19.059 --> 00:43:22.739 we know that sometimes people grab the phone, sometimes people sometimes it seems to 620 00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:28.530 escalated even further. Yeah, and and so I guess you do that with 621 00:43:28.730 --> 00:43:30.889 discernment. Yeah, one of the things that we do is we have a 622 00:43:30.969 --> 00:43:35.530 camera that set up that I have hidden. Yeah, yeah, because I 623 00:43:35.610 --> 00:43:38.690 think you do need to be videotape you on some level so that if something 624 00:43:38.769 --> 00:43:43.199 violent does happen, that person can be held accountable. Right, you can 625 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.239 show that to the police. It's not just your word against theirs, but 626 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:50.400 you actually have video of what happened. Yeah, so I think that's important. 627 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.000 I think you always need to have a camera running. Now we talk 628 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:57.429 about cameras and having a camera running, that it's better to be hidden rather 629 00:43:57.469 --> 00:44:00.510 than I know I've seen some people wear like a gopro on their chest. 630 00:44:00.590 --> 00:44:04.710 Yeah, I think if you do that you're really minimizing the interactions that you're 631 00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:07.670 going to have with the women going into the abortion center because they're they're there 632 00:44:07.710 --> 00:44:10.539 to hide their sin anyway. Yeah, and they're probably going to be less 633 00:44:10.579 --> 00:44:14.579 like that. I would not say probably. It's a definitely less likely to 634 00:44:14.739 --> 00:44:16.900 engage with you. Right, if you got a visible camera. Sure, 635 00:44:17.059 --> 00:44:21.980 so that's, you know, kind of a little bit of a different thought 636 00:44:22.539 --> 00:44:25.329 train there. We're talking about holding accountable people who are angry. Yeah, 637 00:44:25.489 --> 00:44:29.530 having a hidden camera listen. If you need to and you think it's going 638 00:44:29.570 --> 00:44:31.289 to be helpful to diffuse a situation, you could point say I got a 639 00:44:31.369 --> 00:44:35.050 camera right there, so you need to calm down. Right, you might 640 00:44:35.130 --> 00:44:37.929 get say that. Now they may run over and smash your camera, and 641 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.800 there is that possibility, but it is it is really important if things do 642 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.400 escalate and if you want to call a police, which you should if it 643 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.400 escalates, if you don't have proofs, they're not going to do anything. 644 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.110 Yeah, they have to have proof. Yeah, so what we're saying is, 645 00:44:52.829 --> 00:44:57.630 I think it's helpful to play your phone and star video and yeah, 646 00:44:57.670 --> 00:45:02.510 but also it's not like it's not necessarily going to be a hundred percent diffuse 647 00:45:02.550 --> 00:45:07.699 a situation. Right, it's it could, in some scenarios actually escalated even 648 00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:10.059 more. Right. So, yeah, I guess you have to do the 649 00:45:10.099 --> 00:45:14.900 best you can to use discernment. Yeah, and you know, yeah, 650 00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:17.019 you're going to pull out your phone. Maybe be sneaky about it, right, 651 00:45:17.139 --> 00:45:20.739 have a team member shoe out of it. It should be. Maybe, 652 00:45:20.780 --> 00:45:22.250 if you've got a team out there, make sure maybe that all the 653 00:45:22.329 --> 00:45:27.489 team knows if they are is anything that looks like it's going to escalate, 654 00:45:27.570 --> 00:45:30.250 be sure that you've got your phone at the ready and do it. Kind 655 00:45:30.289 --> 00:45:34.809 of hide your phone, especially if you've had the experience of people grabbing your 656 00:45:34.849 --> 00:45:39.280 phone or being angry. Some some people are, some communities even are are 657 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.199 more likely to be more angry. Yeah, depending on on where it is 658 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:50.269 and who they are. So so we have not really experienced that, I 659 00:45:50.309 --> 00:45:52.349 would say. I would say in general what we see when we pull out 660 00:45:52.349 --> 00:45:57.869 a phone is d escalation. Yeah, but not every time, but most 661 00:45:57.869 --> 00:46:00.909 time. So I would probably air on pulling out my phone. Yeah, 662 00:46:01.030 --> 00:46:05.699 but if someone has had an experience where that too often leads to tanger than 663 00:46:05.780 --> 00:46:07.380 do it. Do it secretly. Have a team member do it secretly? 664 00:46:07.579 --> 00:46:12.619 Yeah. Yeah, so just kind of wrapping this up. We're at the 665 00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:15.099 end of this episode, right, and we don't think need to labor these 666 00:46:15.139 --> 00:46:21.130 points much longer. Soft answer turns away wrath. Yeah, that's the key 667 00:46:21.210 --> 00:46:24.090 to all of this. It's honorable for a man to stop striving. To 668 00:46:24.170 --> 00:46:28.010 back away from a fight is an honorable thing, not a dishonorable thing. 669 00:46:28.050 --> 00:46:31.809 Yeah, don't throw your pearls before swine R I will give these precious truth 670 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.840 to people who are just resistant to him, right, because I're going to 671 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.760 trample them underfoot and they're probably going to turn around and tear you up to 672 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.679 it's going to come back on you. So that's these are some awesome biblical 673 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.119 principles. Yeah, but there's some practical principles too, and I would say, 674 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:52.070 just practically, if you are physically assaulted, even verbally thro threatened, 675 00:46:53.070 --> 00:46:58.030 then call the police. Yeah, that's an accountability peace. Yeah, that 676 00:46:58.230 --> 00:47:00.349 needs to be brought into play. You know, the Bible says in Romans 677 00:47:00.349 --> 00:47:06.219 Chapter Thirteen that the government is God's Minister of Justice, that the government should 678 00:47:06.219 --> 00:47:10.500 be employed to punish evil doers. If someone physically threatens you and physically assaults 679 00:47:10.539 --> 00:47:15.809 you, they need to be held accountable right, not just and we have 680 00:47:15.889 --> 00:47:21.050 to have an attitude of forgiveness. Absolutely we these are we know, I 681 00:47:21.130 --> 00:47:24.329 think, from experience, and just practically hurt people. Hurt people. So 682 00:47:24.449 --> 00:47:28.210 these people are hurt, there's some deep stuff going on. There's conviction, 683 00:47:28.289 --> 00:47:30.679 there's guilt they're feeling, there's all kinds of emotions and all that. Listen, 684 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.440 we get it. Yeah, and we need to be understanding as far 685 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.400 as that's concerned. We need to be forgiving as far as that's concerned. 686 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:43.360 But if you let someone who is hurt, who's broken, lash out in 687 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.789 anger, do something physically and you let him get away with it, don't 688 00:47:45.789 --> 00:47:50.869 be surprised if it's worst the next time. They lash out in anger and 689 00:47:50.909 --> 00:47:53.150 threaten you going in. Don't be surprised if they do something physical coming back 690 00:47:53.190 --> 00:47:57.309 out of the abortion. Say Yeah, so it's very important that you call 691 00:47:57.429 --> 00:48:00.940 the police and involve the police in this situation, explain to them clearly and 692 00:48:00.980 --> 00:48:06.300 again, if you have video, that's even more helpful. Yeah, and 693 00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:12.019 and so holding them accountable. I think with that practical tool is is really 694 00:48:12.099 --> 00:48:15.289 helpful, and I don't know what is legal in every area you would have 695 00:48:15.409 --> 00:48:17.130 to figure that out for yourself, and I don't know how I feel about 696 00:48:17.130 --> 00:48:24.530 this, Daniel, but just we don't want our missionaries, are sidewalk missionaries, 697 00:48:24.570 --> 00:48:30.800 to be sitting ducks. So what can you have on your person that 698 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:37.199 is maybe gonna protect you in the case of of a dangerous person attacking you? 699 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.710 And I may see in some places it's legal, pepper spray and so 700 00:48:42.269 --> 00:48:46.030 but you would have to find out what in your areas legal and what you're 701 00:48:46.070 --> 00:48:51.349 comfortable. Yeah, absolutely, to protect yourself. But I think if you're 702 00:48:51.469 --> 00:48:54.710 finding that violence is erupting in and whatever are you're in, I think that 703 00:48:54.940 --> 00:48:59.780 does need to be a consideration. Yeah, absolutely. Now I will say 704 00:49:00.500 --> 00:49:04.260 that pretty much across the board. I can't address as far as like pepper 705 00:49:04.300 --> 00:49:07.739 spray and all of that and your different areas. You'll have to you guys 706 00:49:07.780 --> 00:49:10.289 will have to look for that yourself. Right, but I do know that 707 00:49:10.809 --> 00:49:15.329 some folks can seal carry. They have a gun, yeah, and they 708 00:49:15.369 --> 00:49:17.730 carry that wherever they go in front of an abortion center. You can't do 709 00:49:17.889 --> 00:49:21.730 that, right. You can't do that, even though you might say, 710 00:49:21.809 --> 00:49:25.519 well, I have second amendment. Absolutely, you do understand that this is 711 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.159 not a podcast about the constitution. I love the constitution. I believe in 712 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.199 the Second Amendment. Yeah, however, there are laws on the books here 713 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.920 North Carolina there are, and most every other stay their laws on the books 714 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:39.630 that if you have a concealed carry permit, you can't carry in front of 715 00:49:39.710 --> 00:49:44.710 at a protest. And that's what they consider us, whether we like it 716 00:49:44.789 --> 00:49:47.710 or not. We're considered protesters at a medical facility and we do have as 717 00:49:47.750 --> 00:49:52.829 a policy as a ministry, Love Life has a policy that no one come 718 00:49:52.900 --> 00:49:57.260 to our prayer walks and when volunteering with us on the sidewalk or in a 719 00:49:57.340 --> 00:50:00.340 prayer walk or whatever, is going to be concealed carrying a gun right in 720 00:50:00.460 --> 00:50:04.940 front of the abortion center. So that's something that if you're not under love 721 00:50:05.019 --> 00:50:07.610 life, I can't tell you what to do, but I'm just telling you 722 00:50:07.969 --> 00:50:10.010 it's illegal to do that. Yeah, and I think it could get in 723 00:50:10.090 --> 00:50:15.730 a situation where it dishonors the Lord because you know, the pro abort media 724 00:50:15.769 --> 00:50:19.050 are going to get ahold of it and, you know, put on the 725 00:50:19.130 --> 00:50:22.719 front page or wherever that pro life or had a gun in front of the 726 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.800 abortion clinic or whatever. That's going to capitalize on that. So that situation 727 00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.000 it's just just don't carry your gun. I have a concealed carry permit. 728 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.559 Yeah, I used to carry my gun everywhere I went, every scenario, 729 00:50:35.829 --> 00:50:39.389 just for Selfdefense, but mainly for the defense of others, right, but 730 00:50:39.429 --> 00:50:43.829 I don't car it anymore since I've been ministering full time on the sidewalks. 731 00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:45.989 I just don't carry it now. I should carry it in other scenarios, 732 00:50:46.150 --> 00:50:49.309 but I knew since I couldn't carry there, I kind of got out of 733 00:50:49.389 --> 00:50:53.659 habit, yeah, of carrying it. Yeah, and I think it's I 734 00:50:53.780 --> 00:50:58.300 think I'm safer on that end as far as you know, just being careful, 735 00:50:58.380 --> 00:51:02.900 not to be not to have the appearance of evil in any area. 736 00:51:02.980 --> 00:51:07.969 Yeah, to just not carried it all there. Yeah, so that's just 737 00:51:07.250 --> 00:51:10.929 something, some things to mention. I think there's a lot that we could 738 00:51:10.929 --> 00:51:14.969 say along these lines. Are some biblical principles. I would say get into 739 00:51:14.969 --> 00:51:17.760 the book of proverbs. Let God minister to your heart. But the book 740 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.239 of proverbs and there's a lot in there about dealing with angry people. There's 741 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.719 a lot about dealing with different all kinds of scenarios there in the book of 742 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.440 proverbs. But with that I think we're going to wrap this thing up. 743 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.230 Vicki's going to put an article out there along the lines of what we've talked 744 00:51:32.230 --> 00:51:36.349 about in this podcast. We know that that'll be a blessing to you guys. 745 00:51:36.750 --> 00:51:39.030 If you have suggestions for us for future podcast, we would love to 746 00:51:39.070 --> 00:51:42.590 hear what those suggestions are. You can reach out to me, Daniel, 747 00:51:42.750 --> 00:51:45.670 Love Life Dot Org. You can reach out to Vicky, Vicky at Love 748 00:51:45.750 --> 00:51:49.699 Life Dot Org. If you want to get trained to do sidewalk ministry, 749 00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:51.940 we'd love to get you in that vein to get trained to do that. 750 00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:53.659 So you can reach out to me again, as I mentioned at the beginning 751 00:51:53.659 --> 00:51:58.699 of this podcast. But until next time, God bless, God bless. 752 00:52:00.929 --> 00:52:14.809 Give me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I 753 00:52:15.130 --> 00:52:23.519 know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious and some you