Dealing with Angry People

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.150Lord, I am you. Welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast.300:00:10.269 --> 00:00:13.230If you do ministry at an abortioncenter on any kind of a regular400:00:13.269 --> 00:00:16.670basis, you're going to encounter angrypeople from time to time. There are500:00:16.789 --> 00:00:19.829some helpful and productive ways to dealwith those kinds of people. So join600:00:19.910 --> 00:00:29.059it says we talk about it.I felt show passish, touch your heart.700:00:31.460 --> 00:00:38.090Use Me. Welcome to the Gospelsent a pro life podcast. As800:00:38.130 --> 00:00:42.289always, we appreciate you guys,joining us and we hope that these episodes900:00:42.329 --> 00:00:46.570are blessing to you. We're tryingto do over the past several weeks some1000:00:46.810 --> 00:00:51.560more in depth training and equipping,speaking out of our experiences and going along1100:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.000the lines of our training that wehave available for folks. If you want1200:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.600to take advantage of that training,we still do that once a month,1300:00:58.799 --> 00:01:02.719first Saturday of every month, fromtwo PM to four PM. We may1400:01:02.759 --> 00:01:04.750be changing that in the future,but for now that's that's in place.1500:01:06.109 --> 00:01:07.909If you want to get involved inthat, maybe you're in a city where1600:01:07.909 --> 00:01:12.469we have a missionary. Hopefully yourmissionary is already sent us your information and1700:01:12.549 --> 00:01:17.189connected us with you to get trained. But if you're in a city where1800:01:17.230 --> 00:01:21.019love life is and you don't yetknow what we're talking about or you have1900:01:21.180 --> 00:01:23.579not yet taken advantage of our training, we certainly would encourage you to do2000:01:23.739 --> 00:01:26.260that. You could reach out tome if you wanted to, Daniel love2100:01:26.299 --> 00:01:30.540life doubt war, or I'll sendyou the appropriate application. Or again,2200:01:30.579 --> 00:01:32.859if you're in a city where there'sa love life missionary, just reach out2300:01:32.890 --> 00:01:34.930to them. If you're in acity where there's not yet a love life2400:01:36.010 --> 00:01:40.090presence, we still do make ourtraining available. That would mean that you're2500:01:40.129 --> 00:01:42.969under love life or anything like that, but we just think that we have2600:01:42.129 --> 00:01:46.209some wisdom that we can impart toofolks that are on the sidewalk or folks2700:01:46.250 --> 00:01:51.599that are just getting involved in ministryon the sidewalks, and so we would2800:01:51.599 --> 00:01:55.560as long as you check a fewboxes for us and fit in the the2900:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.359criteria of people were looking for,which basically believers in Jesus who want to3000:02:00.400 --> 00:02:02.790serve the Lord in that capacity andare under the leadership of a local church,3100:02:04.430 --> 00:02:07.629then will will invite you, singinginvitation, after you feel out the3200:02:07.670 --> 00:02:10.229application, to that training. Sojust wanted to mention that and what we're3300:02:10.270 --> 00:02:14.509doing in these past couple of episodeshave been along the lines of that,3400:02:14.830 --> 00:02:19.300the framework of that training, takingthe slides that we present in that training,3500:02:19.340 --> 00:02:21.659and if you've been a part ofthat training you know exactly what I'm3600:02:21.699 --> 00:02:25.259talking about. If you have not, we basically have a keynote or powerpoint3700:02:25.300 --> 00:02:29.460presentation that we go through and justtouch on some of these things. We3800:02:29.699 --> 00:02:32.849have probably a few minutes per slidereally, because we can't just go on3900:02:34.009 --> 00:02:39.729forever, and so we get intosome basic stuff and some some pretty indepth4000:02:39.810 --> 00:02:44.319stuff, but this is us kindof really taken a deeper dive into each4100:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.400one of those slides. And thisis a little out of order than what4200:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.960we normally do, but this subjectcame up with some of our missionaries and4300:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.879in some of our various cities they'redealing with angry people and and really tall4400:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.949grief. Yeah, some pretty angrypeople. So we're going to talk about4500:03:00.270 --> 00:03:05.629how we, as ministers of theGospel, people that Love Truth and want4600:03:05.629 --> 00:03:08.509to stand for truth, but peoplewho also want to obey what the Scripture4700:03:08.550 --> 00:03:12.900says, that we should be gentleand meek, humble and all of that.4800:03:15.139 --> 00:03:16.580We're going to talk about how wedeal with people when they're angry,4900:03:16.620 --> 00:03:23.379how we do that biblically. Yeah, so let's let's jump into a Vicky5000:03:23.580 --> 00:03:28.250yeah, what? What kind ofpeople are we talking about? I mean5100:03:28.289 --> 00:03:30.250this is like a no brainer foryou guys that are listening. Of course5200:03:30.289 --> 00:03:34.289you're thinking, well, it's thepeople going into the abortion center that are5300:03:34.330 --> 00:03:38.050angry. But, yeah, isit always the moms that are going into5400:03:38.050 --> 00:03:40.050the abortion center that we're dealing withwho are angry at us for being there?5500:03:40.129 --> 00:03:44.800Yeah, sometimes, but not always. In fact, I would say5600:03:45.439 --> 00:03:52.639more frequently it's the driver, aboyfriend, a friend who is trying to5700:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.669defend the mom is often already inwhen the people who came brought her or5800:03:57.750 --> 00:04:03.270whatever, come over and are angryon her behalf. Yeah, often times5900:04:03.310 --> 00:04:09.430it's the socalled pro choice people outthere that are angry. Sometimes it's even6000:04:09.430 --> 00:04:13.259passer by. Some we've doubt.We don't. Today with a man who6100:04:13.419 --> 00:04:16.500was driving past, didn't like whatwe were doing and wanted to express his6200:04:16.660 --> 00:04:20.220anger at what we were doing.So it can be anyone. This is6300:04:20.579 --> 00:04:29.730this is a high tension situation.Yeah, and people have strong opinions about6400:04:29.730 --> 00:04:41.279abortion and the socalled pro choice movement. So they can be easily ignited.6500:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.279You know, emotions, feelings canbe easily ignited. Yeah, over the6600:04:45.360 --> 00:04:51.079subject. So basically it can beanyone, but but particularly literally the people6700:04:51.120 --> 00:04:55.389that are involved in the actual abortion, the mother of the friends who have6800:04:55.509 --> 00:04:58.589brought it. Those are probably themost frequent. Yeah, and I think6900:04:58.709 --> 00:05:01.949probably in my experience, I wouldsay definitely agree with you, it's very7000:05:01.990 --> 00:05:06.110seldom and my experience that it isthe mother going into for the abortion right7100:05:06.379 --> 00:05:12.300because she's she's dead set on theabortion. She's going to go in typically7200:05:12.420 --> 00:05:15.860not even respond. Yeah, ifyou know, either she's going to respond7300:05:15.899 --> 00:05:19.500positively or typically she's going to justgo into the abortion center. Now there7400:05:19.540 --> 00:05:23.810are times, of course, Ithink, being out there as many years7500:05:23.810 --> 00:05:28.689as we have that I've seen angrymothers, but often times it's either the7600:05:28.810 --> 00:05:33.329father of the baby or it's afriend or family member, something like that,7700:05:34.410 --> 00:05:38.720like what you mentioned. And Ido want to say that when it7800:05:38.920 --> 00:05:44.439is the pro choice the socalled prochoice people, we have seen. You7900:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.000pointed this out and I think itis so true. It is most evident8000:05:48.399 --> 00:05:57.310following some sort of political or socialevent that they didn't like at pretty I8100:05:57.470 --> 00:06:00.509know when trump was selected, therewas a lot, yea of anger,8200:06:00.670 --> 00:06:06.060and the anger escalated. So orwhen there's a shooting that they feel is8300:06:06.100 --> 00:06:14.180unjust, certainly a police shooting,then we do see them take it out8400:06:14.180 --> 00:06:18.370on us, even though we havenothing to do with with those events really.8500:06:19.129 --> 00:06:24.089But, but, but it's youknow, it helps to be aware8600:06:24.129 --> 00:06:27.649of the news in a sense,because you will come knowing, well,8700:06:27.730 --> 00:06:30.810there's probably going to be some heightenedtension out here because of these events.8800:06:30.850 --> 00:06:35.480Yeah, and I think it's eventhough we might want to kind of push8900:06:35.560 --> 00:06:40.439people's buttons, we do have tobe careful, you like with the blm9000:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.120stuff, the black lives matter stuff, and police shootings. Like I think9100:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.920there is you know, the Biblesays, I think I've quoted this scripture9200:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.029a lot, the Bible says thatif we bless our brother early in the9300:06:49.069 --> 00:06:54.670morning loudly, it will be perceivedas a curse. So is there a9400:06:54.790 --> 00:06:58.790time and an appropriate time to pointout some of the I mean the targeting9500:06:58.870 --> 00:07:01.100of Plant Parenthood against black people?And you know, if black lives truly9600:07:01.139 --> 00:07:04.620do matter, why would we supportplan parenthood? Yeah, I think absolutely9700:07:04.660 --> 00:07:08.579we need to point that out.Yeah, but right after there was a9800:07:08.660 --> 00:07:13.500police shooting that many people's perception isthat was unjust or whatever. Whether or9900:07:13.540 --> 00:07:16.529not it was unjust, that canbe talked about in some other setting.10000:07:16.529 --> 00:07:19.970But out in front of the abortioncenter and calling out to black women going10100:07:20.009 --> 00:07:24.529into the abortion center about you know, if you care about George Floyd,10200:07:24.649 --> 00:07:27.970then you know you should care aboutthe babies or dine or your baby.10300:07:28.050 --> 00:07:32.160That's like right, you're poking abear unnecessarily. Yeah, right. Even10400:07:32.439 --> 00:07:38.480what you wear, and this didcome up once, where things that you10500:07:38.519 --> 00:07:44.000would never think about, someone wearinga shirt that said baby slife's matter,10600:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.750and that seems like, well,of course baby slife's matter. Why would10700:07:46.790 --> 00:07:51.430that anger anyone? But it setoff a lot of people that became very10800:07:51.550 --> 00:07:59.139angry about that because they felt itwas a slam and a misunderstanding of the10900:07:59.300 --> 00:08:05.100depth of their anger over other issues. Yeah, and and so we,11000:08:05.339 --> 00:08:09.379I think in general, we reallywant to avoid those sorts of things,11100:08:09.500 --> 00:08:15.730just day away from them. Ourmission is not to change the culture while11200:08:15.850 --> 00:08:20.610we're out there regarding all these otherissues. Yeah, our ministry is to11300:08:20.370 --> 00:08:24.610hopefully save that unborn child. Yeah. So now, of course there's a11400:08:24.810 --> 00:08:28.680there's a context for all of thatand there's necessary conversations the need to be11500:08:28.800 --> 00:08:33.679had over all of that. Yeah, and as far as changing the culture11600:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.200is concerned, we certainly do wantto change the culture of death to a11700:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.240culture of life. But on thesidewalk in front of the abortion center,11800:08:39.519 --> 00:08:45.190we're dealing with individual women, individualpeople going in. Yeah, that we11900:08:45.389 --> 00:08:48.110want to have a oneonone conversation with. I think we've said it and made12000:08:48.110 --> 00:08:52.230it very clear and are calling outtraining session or episode that we did,12100:08:52.429 --> 00:08:56.659getting a little more in depth ofthat, that the goal of calling out12200:08:56.820 --> 00:09:00.940is not just delivering information. It'scertainly not just to be provocative and provoke12300:09:01.059 --> 00:09:05.299people to anger. It's to provokethem to thought so that they would actually12400:09:05.340 --> 00:09:07.940come and talk with us. Yes, now, I think that leads to12500:09:07.019 --> 00:09:11.210it to one of the first pointsand maybe principles, and I could be12600:09:11.250 --> 00:09:13.529jumping ahead of us just a littlebit and kind of what we're talking about,12700:09:15.250 --> 00:09:20.809but the principle of setting the tonewith your tone. Yeah, right,12800:09:20.850 --> 00:09:24.519so when you're calling out to peoplegoing into the abortion center and you're12900:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.200calling out in some angry or accusatorytone, and we all know what that13000:09:28.360 --> 00:09:33.039sounds like. Yeah, right,we've all we've all had our mom when13100:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.679we were a kid, called outto us, did you clean your room?13200:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.950And it's accusatory. It's not aquestion, it's accusatory, right or13300:09:39.070 --> 00:09:41.789whatever. Yeah, you know whatI'm talking about. You know the tone13400:09:43.830 --> 00:09:48.429that provokes you to anger or offenseor just being aggravated, right, and13500:09:48.549 --> 00:09:54.139so being careful not to come acrosswith that tone. Now we can get13600:09:54.179 --> 00:09:58.740into I'm not trying to be Nitpicky, I'm not trying trying to be personally13700:09:58.740 --> 00:10:01.860like Mamsie pamsy like. We needto be bold, we need to speak13800:10:01.860 --> 00:10:05.100with boldness, we need to speakwith confidence. I think that's an important13900:10:05.100 --> 00:10:09.409or important aspect of our tone,that it's a confident tone. Yeah,14000:10:09.850 --> 00:10:13.889but our goal is to get themto come over and talk with us,14100:10:13.929 --> 00:10:16.090and so we have to think whatwould lend itself, what kind of tone,14200:10:16.889 --> 00:10:22.519what words would lend itself, lendthemselves so someone actually stopping and coming14300:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.840over and talking with us, ratherthan stopping and coming over and trying to14400:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.600beat so exactly so, so,yet not not being accusatory and being inviting14500:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.990and gentle and kind, and theBible certainly talks about that. Our tone.14600:10:35.110 --> 00:10:39.230We are to speak truth. Yeah, but you can speak truth in14700:10:39.590 --> 00:10:45.509in in a manner of love andcompassion, and one of the things that14800:10:45.750 --> 00:10:50.700I have certainly discovered, and I'mstill not as good at it as I14900:10:50.860 --> 00:10:56.899wish I were, but when Iask questions as opposed to lecture. Yeah,15000:10:56.899 --> 00:11:00.659and I know I'm not really therelecturing, and I'm not saying our15100:11:00.700 --> 00:11:05.409counselors are lecturing, right, I'msaying that that's how it's perceived sometimes.15200:11:05.450 --> 00:11:13.049If we're just listening off a wholebunch of truth and they someone can feel15300:11:13.570 --> 00:11:18.639like it's a lecture and that's usuallynot as well received in my experience,15400:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.960as when we ask a lot ofquestions. Yeah, asking questions help them15500:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.399to draw their own conclusion and ifyou ask the right questions based on truth,15600:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.750based on Biblical truth, they're goingto hopefully come to the conclusion that15700:11:33.909 --> 00:11:37.429is the biblical right. Yeah,inclusion, that certainly how you want to15800:11:37.549 --> 00:11:39.870tailor your questions. Yeah. Well, one of the questions that you ask15900:11:39.990 --> 00:11:43.029a lot for women going into theabortions in or in kind of the calling16000:11:43.070 --> 00:11:46.860out scenario, but also in theone on one right, is what would16100:11:46.860 --> 00:11:50.460God have you do? Yeah,what are you? What are you communicating16200:11:50.460 --> 00:11:54.419in that where you're communicating. Imean it's a given. Of course.16300:11:54.620 --> 00:11:58.419What would God have you do?He would have you to keep your baby,16400:11:58.500 --> 00:12:03.210to protect your baby. Yeah,but you're not accusing them necessarily,16500:12:03.250 --> 00:12:05.769right. You're putting it on them. What would God have you do?16600:12:05.850 --> 00:12:09.049You're putting your planting that seed oflike they need to steal on this and16700:12:09.129 --> 00:12:11.289think on this. Rather than sayingGod would never have you kill your baby,16800:12:11.370 --> 00:12:13.850you're saying what would God have youdo? Right now, I'm more16900:12:13.889 --> 00:12:18.200inclined to say God would never wantyou to go in there and take the17000:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.519life of your baby. That's whatI'm more inclined to say. Yeah,17100:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.639but I do like that asking question. I've been the calling out or in17200:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.279the one on one I think itis harder to ask the questions because I17300:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.669also sometimes do say that God wouldnever have any mother take the life of17400:12:33.750 --> 00:12:37.389her child. I know I saythat frequently, but I am more aware17500:12:37.190 --> 00:12:41.309that if I if I phrase thatinstead as a question, it is less17600:12:41.509 --> 00:12:48.379likely to ignite anger and defensiveness becauseit it feels to them I'm not accusing17700:12:48.419 --> 00:12:52.940in a sense. Actually, probablysometimes I am, but it feels like17800:12:52.059 --> 00:12:58.179an accusation. Yeah, and andwhenever we accuse, that's going to they're17900:12:58.179 --> 00:13:01.169going to be defensive. Yeah,we all are. We all are when18000:13:01.210 --> 00:13:05.330we're when we're accused or think we'reaccused of something. Yeah. So,18100:13:05.129 --> 00:13:11.610in addition to the asking questions,is in your responses, because they're going18200:13:11.610 --> 00:13:16.960to answer and don't dismiss those responses. Yeah, expressing concern, compassion,18300:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.440you talk a lot about in ourslide, showing our our training to show18400:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.590compassion. Yeah, and not fakecompassion, true compassion. Rightly try,18500:13:28.149 --> 00:13:33.110yeah, to understand from their perspective. Yeah, I know. I do18600:13:33.269 --> 00:13:37.029want to say, just as we'retouching on these things, yeah, that18700:13:37.830 --> 00:13:43.340it doesn't matter and there's some scenariosand it doesn't matter how nice, how18800:13:43.419 --> 00:13:46.179kind your tone is, it doesn't. I mean, I've seen people come18900:13:46.220 --> 00:13:50.580over to grandmalls that are just theyare praying on the sidewalk, not saying19000:13:50.820 --> 00:13:56.250anything, but praying on the sidewalk. Ye, be confronted by some angry19100:13:56.289 --> 00:13:58.730person. Your presence out there,I think this is an understanding we have19200:13:58.850 --> 00:14:03.049to have, is your presence juststanding there, like those women going in.19300:14:03.690 --> 00:14:07.450Many of them feel the conviction,they feel the guilt, and that19400:14:07.769 --> 00:14:13.679conviction. That guilt, obviously,is about their accountability before God. They19500:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.879know that they're accountable to God.They're angry with God, they're angry with19600:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.399themselves, and your presence there isa representation of the one with whom they're19700:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.710angry of God, right, likethey know why you're there. They know19800:14:24.950 --> 00:14:28.230that you know why that they're they'reright there, there to kill their child.19900:14:28.350 --> 00:14:33.750Yeah, and so just your presencebeing there brings guilt and sometimes guilt20000:14:33.909 --> 00:14:37.149provokes this reaction of anger, right, rather than repentance, some people just20100:14:37.309 --> 00:14:41.220get angry. Yeah, and againthey blame God, they blame whoever else.20200:14:41.340 --> 00:14:45.139Try to play the blame game.So I do want to say that20300:14:45.899 --> 00:14:48.899as much of these principles as youapply. There's just some principles, but20400:14:48.980 --> 00:14:52.370it doesn't always mean that you're goingto be able to diffuse every situation.20500:14:52.570 --> 00:14:56.090But I do think, again,that there are some principles and an understanding20600:14:56.129 --> 00:15:00.210that we need to have. That'sa good foundation and that is helpful for20700:15:00.889 --> 00:15:05.210diffusing angry people. At the abortionsaid yeah, that's a really good point,20800:15:05.250 --> 00:15:09.440because we don't want anyone who hasencountered an angry person that went south20900:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.320to feel like it was their fault. It's not. It's the angry person's21000:15:13.320 --> 00:15:18.200fault. Yeah, nine times outof ten, but but yeah, these21100:15:18.240 --> 00:15:24.669are these are things that might helpfrom you know, once they're they've lost21200:15:24.750 --> 00:15:31.110it, once they're filled with anger, it's sometimes really hard. Then it's21300:15:31.190 --> 00:15:33.710then we switch into now what dowe do to protect ourselves? Yeah,21400:15:33.990 --> 00:15:39.659so a lot of these things arehow can we prevent it from escalating in21500:15:39.779 --> 00:15:41.659the first place? What are someof the things that we can do that21600:15:41.779 --> 00:15:46.940will prevent it from becoming to anon fire level where now you got to21700:15:46.980 --> 00:15:50.610call in the fire engine? Yeah, and I think daddy is these.21800:15:50.690 --> 00:15:52.570First couple of things that we touchedon, right, is that our tone21900:15:52.610 --> 00:15:58.730can set the tone, and thenexpressing concern or asking questions first rather than22000:15:58.850 --> 00:16:03.480just bringing accusatory statements right. Andthen if there isn't exchange there and it's22100:16:03.639 --> 00:16:08.799getting heated, expressing concern, identifying, relating to that person. You know,22200:16:08.879 --> 00:16:12.120it might be something to just kindof a scenario I've seen play out22300:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.039and I'm sure, I'm sure youhave to. Let's say a mother is22400:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.269walking into the abortion center to takethe life of her child and her mother,22500:16:18.470 --> 00:16:22.269the grandmother the child that's going todie, comes marching over and she's22600:16:22.309 --> 00:16:25.789angry and she's saying, don't youknow, my daughter has been through this22700:16:25.909 --> 00:16:29.190and been through that and all thisother stuff. Right, as the mother22800:16:29.309 --> 00:16:33.299of a daughter, likely in thatage, your daughter is twenty some years22900:16:33.340 --> 00:16:36.340old, right. Yeah, youcan identify with her and say, you23000:16:36.419 --> 00:16:40.019know, I have a daughter that'sthat's just like your daughter and she has23100:16:40.059 --> 00:16:42.340struggles and I want to protect herand I appreciate the fact that you want23200:16:42.379 --> 00:16:47.210to protect your daughter at that,to me is a good response, because23300:16:47.210 --> 00:16:49.490you're identifying as a father. Igues. I have a twenty three year23400:16:49.490 --> 00:16:55.009old daughter. I could identify witha man who's angry at me for addressing23500:16:55.090 --> 00:16:56.690his daughter, pleading with her nottake the life of her baby. I23600:16:56.730 --> 00:17:00.889can say, man, I appreciateyour zeal to protect your daughter. Man,23700:17:00.970 --> 00:17:03.279I'm not here, yeah, tobe your enemy. I'm here to23800:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.519offer help. Well, also,what you're doing, you are empathizing,23900:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.559but I think what you're doing anotherprinciple we talked about later on. It24000:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.789is you're bringing in something. Theseare people that are beaten down, or24100:17:15.789 --> 00:17:18.589they wouldn't be there. There,you know, they, they they and24200:17:18.670 --> 00:17:21.990they feel terrible. I know theydo, whether they admitted or not.24300:17:22.190 --> 00:17:26.230And what you've done is you've pointedout a positive and that's sometimes really hard24400:17:26.269 --> 00:17:32.779to think of or defined when you'rewatching someone going to murder their child.24500:17:33.019 --> 00:17:37.579Yeah, but you did in thatexample. That's a beautiful, perfect example,24600:17:37.740 --> 00:17:42.099because that is often what happened.Someone is protecting their friend, their24700:17:42.180 --> 00:17:48.130girlfriend, their child and that andnot only is that a positive quality,24800:17:48.529 --> 00:17:53.650but you can use that to promoteyour case. But that I'm born baby,24900:17:53.769 --> 00:17:59.240you can say I love how you'reprotecting your your child, and I25000:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.680just pray that you would feel thatsame desire to protect your grandchild, because25100:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.599it's an admirable quality. Yeah,so that you can even further that you25200:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.309know your your agenda, which isreally to save that child. But yeah,25300:18:12.430 --> 00:18:21.269being being empathetic is really critical andsomething that I read when we briefly25400:18:22.190 --> 00:18:26.710googled. How do you diffuse thesituation? Make sure they feel heard.25500:18:26.990 --> 00:18:32.099Yeah, offer reflective comments. Soreflect back what they've just said. I25600:18:32.220 --> 00:18:37.740know you're angry because you wish thatwe wouldn't point out that that abortion is25700:18:37.900 --> 00:18:41.009taking an innocent child's life. Yeah, so don't even don't even need to25800:18:41.130 --> 00:18:45.289say the butt that will follow.That just reflect they that they have been25900:18:45.410 --> 00:18:51.849heard. That alone sometimes diffuses angerbecause so many people, I know,26000:18:52.049 --> 00:18:59.400my anger erupts the most when Ihave expressed a concern and I feel like26100:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.799it's just been blown off, noone's listening and no one understands. So26200:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.519then another thing in that same articleI read was wait until the person has26300:19:07.559 --> 00:19:12.789released their frustration and explained to howthey're feeling. Yeah, yeah, sometimes,26400:19:14.869 --> 00:19:17.109to me and my experience that Idon't know if it's the way the26500:19:17.230 --> 00:19:19.549Lord is wired me or he justI think it's he's just giving me grace26600:19:19.630 --> 00:19:23.539in these situations. But when someonecomes out and they're just Raven mad at26700:19:23.539 --> 00:19:26.859me, one of the things I'velearned to do is just don't say anything.26800:19:27.140 --> 00:19:30.180Yeah, just listen, don't respond, look at them as best I26900:19:30.259 --> 00:19:34.819can conveil my face a look ofcompassion. Yeah, empathy. Yeah,27000:19:34.940 --> 00:19:40.410you connecting with them on that leveland just let them poured out right on27100:19:40.569 --> 00:19:44.410me. Yeah, not because Ideserve that or anything like that, but27200:19:45.410 --> 00:19:48.490in reality I find my value,and I think this is an important point,27300:19:48.529 --> 00:19:52.880don't take it personal, because Ifind my value in what God says27400:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.960in his word and what someone saysabout me that I don't even know,27500:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.119and they're because often times it isyou're this, you're that, you're judging27600:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.759people, all this other stuff.It's like, well, I could defend27700:20:03.799 --> 00:20:04.960myself and say, no, I'mnot judging people. Actually, the Bible27800:20:06.000 --> 00:20:07.150says Blah, blah, Blah Blah. I can do that, I can27900:20:07.150 --> 00:20:11.109go back and forth with them andall of that stuff, right, but28000:20:11.230 --> 00:20:14.910in reality I find my value andwhat God says about me, not what28100:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.710they're saying about me. So Idon't need to take it personal, because28200:20:17.750 --> 00:20:22.019that's really when the situation gets evenmore escalated. It's when we start to28300:20:22.099 --> 00:20:26.339respond, when someone comes at USand anger. Yeah, and we start28400:20:26.380 --> 00:20:30.140to take it personal and get defensiveand then we respond back in anger.28500:20:30.339 --> 00:20:33.380Right, this is like, youknow, fighting fire with fire. What28600:20:33.539 --> 00:20:36.369happens? Yeah, the whole thinggoes up in flames. Yeah, right.28700:20:36.410 --> 00:20:40.529Yeah. So the Bible gives usa very, I think, a28800:20:40.609 --> 00:20:45.329principle that everybody should have, whichis a soft answer turns away wrath.28900:20:45.410 --> 00:20:48.930Right, yeah, and that's athat's a biblical principle. I think every29000:20:49.000 --> 00:20:56.759secular philosopher or psychologist or whatever inthe universe would recognize this. Biblical principle29100:20:57.039 --> 00:21:02.160is a truth that we all needto apply. That's solved. Answer Turns29200:21:02.160 --> 00:21:07.230Away Wrath. When someone is angryat you, answering softly and then even29300:21:07.470 --> 00:21:11.390sometimes keeping your mouth shut, right, is a good way to defuse them.29400:21:11.470 --> 00:21:15.869Just let them vent their stuff.And, yeah, don't, don't29500:21:15.150 --> 00:21:18.180poke the bar even more, right. Yeah, I think that that is29600:21:18.339 --> 00:21:23.099probably the very single most effective thing, yeah, that we can do,29700:21:23.259 --> 00:21:29.859and we talk about in our trainingthat literally, put your hands up.29800:21:29.859 --> 00:21:34.049Yes, though, in surrender,to take a step back, taking a29900:21:34.170 --> 00:21:41.369step back. They're coming at you. Taking a step back is a step30000:21:41.450 --> 00:21:48.920of humility, yeah, and notof cowardice, but of a peace maker.30100:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.519Yeah, I think so, takea step back, hands up and30200:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.279surrender and say I'm not your enemy, we're only here to help. I'm30300:21:56.359 --> 00:22:02.789so sorry that it has so upsetyou. Yeah, something along those lines.30400:22:02.829 --> 00:22:06.710Yeah, there is a sense inwhich in these situations, like I'm30500:22:06.750 --> 00:22:10.589not trying to defend myself, butI'm trying to make explanation, when they're30600:22:10.630 --> 00:22:12.390angry at me and they're coming atme, where I'll say something like listen,30700:22:12.430 --> 00:22:15.059we're just here to offer help.Hey, I'm sorry, that what30800:22:15.180 --> 00:22:18.700I said offended you. But I'mnot trying to offend you, right.30900:22:18.700 --> 00:22:22.980I'm just trying to share with youthe help in the resources and I will31000:22:23.059 --> 00:22:27.579kind of and maybe maybe rebuke meif you think I'm wrong in this,31100:22:29.500 --> 00:22:32.130but I will kind of within ourthree talking points, what God says,31200:22:32.289 --> 00:22:34.809the humanity, the baby in theresources. I'll kind of go right to31300:22:34.890 --> 00:22:38.450the resource thing and I'll really hyperfocus on that. Yeah, because what31400:22:38.569 --> 00:22:42.410it does show is that we're hereto help or not just here to state31500:22:42.569 --> 00:22:45.319facts. We're not just here to, you know, talk about God and31600:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.839talk about your baby. We're hereto help you, and I think it31700:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.599does help diffuse sometimes, because theway that they're able to fuel their anger31800:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.559and justify their anger against us isto say that all you're doing is,31900:22:57.519 --> 00:23:03.150you know, judging people, allyou're doing is saying things that are concerning32000:23:03.230 --> 00:23:07.789the baby. But when I'm talkingabout resources, but I'm really showing them,32100:23:07.950 --> 00:23:11.990no, that's not all we're hereto do. We're actually here also32200:23:11.109 --> 00:23:15.259to offer help. Yeah, andso it helps them and can even make32300:23:15.299 --> 00:23:18.140them feel a little guilty because they'vegot these false notions of who we are.32400:23:18.180 --> 00:23:22.940They've got these notions in their mindthat we're that we're angry, and32500:23:22.019 --> 00:23:26.890so they need to combat our ouranger, in our rage against them with32600:23:26.970 --> 00:23:30.690their anger and rage. And sothey've come at at was come at us32700:23:30.769 --> 00:23:33.329with that because that's what they heardfrom the abortion clinic. Right. I'm32800:23:33.369 --> 00:23:37.329have had people that have come overangry after they had an exchange with the32900:23:37.410 --> 00:23:41.369pro abortion people, you know,the the clinic escorts are quoting people and33000:23:41.410 --> 00:23:44.359the probortion people that have an exchangewith them, and they'll come at me33100:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.920angry because those people like fueled somekind of sparks, some kind of fire,33200:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.160or fueled some kind of fire thatwas there in these people's hearts already33300:23:52.160 --> 00:23:57.029and really spurred them on too angry, extend angry, angry exchange with me.33400:23:57.789 --> 00:24:03.269Yeah, and that's hard to diffuse. But then coming back and saying,33500:24:03.309 --> 00:24:04.789actually, what they said about meis not true. Yeah, and33600:24:04.869 --> 00:24:07.349here's how I can help it.That's how we can know. I think33700:24:07.430 --> 00:24:11.259that's so much better. That isI think when they're storming at you,33800:24:12.019 --> 00:24:15.980it is not the point to probablya most cases, start quoting scripture.33900:24:15.980 --> 00:24:21.740Yeah, most greatest scripture is,I think, when someone is ready to34000:24:21.859 --> 00:24:27.049pound you, letting them know I'mwhat the help is which and then another34100:24:27.210 --> 00:24:32.250point is to say, look,we want to help you, but we34200:24:32.730 --> 00:24:34.569don't know what you're at the issuesare. Tell us, yeah, tell34300:24:34.609 --> 00:24:40.440us what's going on. Let usso asking them the obstacles and and finding34400:24:40.640 --> 00:24:44.519time to do that earlier rather thanlater. Yeah, so that they again34500:24:44.559 --> 00:24:49.240it shows compassion, but it helpsthem. It helps them to see us34600:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.710in light of what we really are. were. They're offering help, we34700:24:52.829 --> 00:24:57.509have angible resources. Yeah, we'renot just judging. I don't believe we're34800:24:57.950 --> 00:25:03.150judge. Yeah, I believe judgingis is biblical, but if it's going34900:25:03.269 --> 00:25:07.140to just feel their anger, I'mnot going to probably want to be talking35000:25:07.180 --> 00:25:10.539about that. I think. Ithink your strategy is absolutely spot on.35100:25:10.700 --> 00:25:11.940That's what that's what I think youshould do. I mean one of the35200:25:11.980 --> 00:25:17.099things we can put ourselves into positionof doing we've got an angry, irrational35300:25:17.140 --> 00:25:22.490person, yeah, is try toration with an irrational perside. Try to35400:25:22.490 --> 00:25:26.609rational. Try to be rational withan irrational person. Is Not is not35500:25:26.730 --> 00:25:30.130going to we're typically not going towork. So there's like things that need35600:25:30.210 --> 00:25:33.690to be said. Sometimes you needto keep your mouth shut again, right,35700:25:33.849 --> 00:25:37.039sometimes you need to say things.They can help just in their minds,35800:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.640show them that you you care aboutthem, yeah, that you want35900:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.319to identify with them. Yeah,because it's really hard to be angry at36000:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.480a person that you know cares aboutyou. Right, right, something that36100:25:48.640 --> 00:25:55.390I would say no sidewalk councilor shouldever do, and I feel very strongly36200:25:55.470 --> 00:25:57.470about this. You can correct meif you think I'm wrong. But but36300:25:59.789 --> 00:26:07.859do it gently. Is We shouldnever nick called names, never resort to36400:26:07.940 --> 00:26:11.500name calling. I just think,and I have heard it, I do36500:26:11.779 --> 00:26:15.059hear it. I'm on it.I've done it, like with an angry36600:26:15.099 --> 00:26:18.339father. Yeah, and respond tohim. Right, Colin mccaward? Yeah,36700:26:18.460 --> 00:26:22.170yeah, and I understand that someof this name call it's true.36800:26:22.410 --> 00:26:26.970I mean it's truth. Things thatare true, and that's what I'll hear36900:26:26.170 --> 00:26:30.809people the that do that often asa matter of course. And you do37000:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.799not do that as a matter ofcourse. I've heard you. But Um,37100:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.400but if there are people that aredoing that as a matter of course,37200:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.880I think they really have to examinetheir own level of anger, because37300:26:44.039 --> 00:26:51.430name calling is not out of respector gentleness or compassion. Yeah, and37400:26:51.670 --> 00:27:00.309it I don't think it ever leadsto promoting peace or a good conversation.37500:27:00.430 --> 00:27:03.259Yeah, I think right away hacklesare up, I am if someone calls37600:27:03.299 --> 00:27:07.220me names, the last thing Iwant to do is try and talk reasonably37700:27:07.339 --> 00:27:10.259with them. Yeah, I wantto lash out. So I just think37800:27:10.380 --> 00:27:12.980that that is something that everyone,all of us, are guilty of it37900:27:14.059 --> 00:27:18.529at one point or another, andI think we need to really are examine38000:27:18.569 --> 00:27:21.769our motives. Yeah, when thatcomes out of our mouth. And I've38100:27:21.769 --> 00:27:26.890been thinking about that a lot becauseI was thinking, okay, Jesus did38200:27:26.529 --> 00:27:30.039call some people names. Yeah,he did. Whitewashed Tomb, or was38300:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.039that Paul? No, she's thatwas Jesus. Okay, White, why,38400:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.920that's pretty nasty. You're a whitewashtomb. Yeah, I don't think38500:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.079that you can look at rude ofsnakes, Rudy, yeah, thanks,38600:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.509Judea Vipers, right, Yep,Yep, so he did. I think38700:27:45.549 --> 00:27:51.549it was rare. I don't thinkthat you could characterize Jesus as name calling.38800:27:51.910 --> 00:27:56.589No, but it wasn't absent,and so that's why I think about38900:27:56.589 --> 00:28:04.180it, because I think that thereare cases where something is descriptive that that39000:28:04.380 --> 00:28:10.220maybe would stop someone in their tracks, but I it's surely not the time39100:28:10.339 --> 00:28:11.930to do it. It's when someone'sabout to, you know, plunge a39200:28:11.930 --> 00:28:15.849knife in your chest. Yeah,and in the scenario, I think,39300:28:15.049 --> 00:28:19.369as you read the scripture, whenJesus calls the Pharisees Whitewashed Tombs or snakes39400:28:19.369 --> 00:28:22.569children, is not one of thesescenarios where you've got an angry person in39500:28:22.690 --> 00:28:27.000your face. Right, this isthis is him really not for the sake39600:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.119of the Pharisees. I mean forin one sense, for their sake that39700:28:30.240 --> 00:28:36.240he's pointing out their hypocrisy to them, but I think more so it's he's39800:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.799pointing out their hypocrisy to the crowd. Right, yes, people are whitewashed39900:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.109tombs, yeah, they're telling youto do things that they themselves don't do.40000:28:44.549 --> 00:28:48.349Yeah, they're hypocrites, all theseother things. And he really wasn't.40100:28:48.670 --> 00:28:52.109The spirit of the motivation of it, obviously, was pure, because40200:28:52.150 --> 00:28:55.670we're talking about Jesus, right,right, and so the motivation was not40300:28:55.779 --> 00:29:00.180one of selfishness and self validation,because often times that's what can happen when40400:29:00.259 --> 00:29:04.420we respond to an angry person inan angry way with some kind of accusation40500:29:04.500 --> 00:29:08.539or name calling. Typically it flowsout of a place of self validation.40600:29:08.660 --> 00:29:12.329They just called you something, andso you want to call them something back,40700:29:12.930 --> 00:29:18.450and so that something might actually bea sanctified something like, for example,40800:29:18.890 --> 00:29:21.890fool. Right, you call thema fool when the Bible says clearly40900:29:22.170 --> 00:29:26.480that in proverbs. All through proverbs, the Bible Call Certain People Fools.41000:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.000Well, we might sanctify it andlisten to I'll speak from experience because I've41100:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.880done this myself. Yeah, well, I call someone a fool and I41200:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.319can justify it because biblically the Biblesays people are fools. It despise God,41300:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.589that despise wisdom and understanding, andI'm trying to give wisdom and understanding41400:29:41.789 --> 00:29:45.430their fool. Right. But ifI examine my heart, yeah, the41500:29:45.509 --> 00:29:48.710reality is I'm calling them a foolbecause they just called me something. They41600:29:48.750 --> 00:29:52.710called me as good white supremacist,or they called me exactly you big it41700:29:52.859 --> 00:29:56.539or right, whatever they need writenames. I can't say on this podcast41800:29:56.140 --> 00:30:00.140because I wouldn't say on this podcast. And so, yeah, we have41900:30:00.220 --> 00:30:03.819to examine our hearts, examine ourmotive and all, at the end of42000:30:03.900 --> 00:30:10.329the day, what is our desirewhen we're speaking out in front of the42100:30:10.369 --> 00:30:14.089abortion center? I think, aboveeverything, like we said, often it's42200:30:14.170 --> 00:30:18.849to glorify the Lord. Right,it's the glorify Jesus. Yeah. Yeah,42300:30:18.089 --> 00:30:22.200so as you were talking, Iwas thinking, okay, that wasn't42400:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.119an angry situation when he was talkingto the Pharisees. But I and that's42500:30:25.160 --> 00:30:30.160I was thinking. Okay, whendid Jesus meet angry mobs? Because he42600:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.759did. One's at times absolutely lookat when the the whole crowd of the42700:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.869people ready to stone the woman caughtan adultery. And how did Jesus respond?42800:30:37.950 --> 00:30:41.269He asked questions. Yeah, hesaid, which of you is without42900:30:41.470 --> 00:30:45.069sin? CAST THE FIRST STONE?Yeah, and that was a question.43000:30:45.190 --> 00:30:51.539Again, not accusing, he's he'sjust he's asking a legitimate question. That43100:30:51.619 --> 00:30:56.619made them all stop and think.Yeah. Or when he's led, but43200:30:56.859 --> 00:31:00.339from the angry mob that comes toget him to take him to the crucifixion,43300:31:00.460 --> 00:31:03.019How did he respond? Silence.Yeah, he he was like a43400:31:03.019 --> 00:31:07.329lamb led to the slaughter and saidnot a word. Yeah. So I43500:31:07.450 --> 00:31:11.609think those are I mean those areboth kind of extreme situations and they're they're43600:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.289not necessarily like what we face atan abortion center, but I think it43700:31:15.490 --> 00:31:23.920does show how we can respond ina godlike way to to anger to hopefully43800:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.440diffuse. Of course, says thehe was being led to the cruise fixtion43900:31:27.519 --> 00:31:33.309at hardly diffused the situation, butit with. In the case of the44000:31:33.349 --> 00:31:37.390adopterswoman, it definitely did. Theyall left and no one stoned her,44100:31:37.630 --> 00:31:41.829and that that mob was subdued.Yeah, by a question. Yeah,44200:31:42.549 --> 00:31:45.750yeah, absolutely. And there wasa one point. I'm actually trying to44300:31:45.789 --> 00:31:49.420look for the scripture here. Youguys can dig for this is your this44400:31:49.539 --> 00:31:52.660is your Bible Challenge. Okay,promise you would say in the scripture there's44500:31:52.660 --> 00:31:56.779at one point where there was anangry mob that came after Jesus. This44600:31:56.980 --> 00:32:00.140was before the crucifixion. This isin the midst of his teaching and all44700:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.130of this. Right, I thinkit was it after he the he made44800:32:02.170 --> 00:32:06.690the pigs, the demon, torun into the pigs and the pains.44900:32:06.809 --> 00:32:08.730Not The people came to stone him, him because they were so mad.45000:32:09.009 --> 00:32:12.569Yeah, well, in that situationthey told him to leave. They weren't45100:32:12.569 --> 00:32:15.000coming to stone him. Okay,they were offended at his action. There's45200:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.920a lot of reasons why. Ipossibly so. I'm not talking about that45300:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.359story, but there's another story inwhich, and again don't quote me on45400:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.200this. This is, you,guys, Bible Trivi. I'm trying to45500:32:23.200 --> 00:32:28.079look it up on my computer butI can't find exactly the scripture to them,45600:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.630but I'm talking about but I promiseit's there. They came to make45700:32:30.710 --> 00:32:32.990Jesus the king. Oh, right, and then he kind of, kind45800:32:34.029 --> 00:32:37.829of not, he kind of turnsit around. Yeah, and then they45900:32:37.910 --> 00:32:42.390ultimately they want to kill him.Right. So the Bible says he actually46000:32:42.430 --> 00:32:45.420slips out, yeah, from theirmidst. Yeah, he didn't. He46100:32:45.539 --> 00:32:49.460didn't stand up on a rock andstart just preaching at them and telling them46200:32:49.500 --> 00:32:52.819how wicked and reprobated they are andall of this. He just he just46300:32:52.859 --> 00:32:57.180slips, kind of melts away.And it seems like Jesus, and I46400:32:57.299 --> 00:33:01.049think he gives us this principle aswell in in our day and age,46500:33:01.089 --> 00:33:04.369but also dealt with it in hisday and age. It seems like when46600:33:04.410 --> 00:33:07.769people are resistant to the truth,he'll sting him with some truth, little46700:33:07.809 --> 00:33:12.490bit more truth maybe, and thenif they're content to remain in their sin46800:33:12.569 --> 00:33:15.559and be obstinate, he'll just letthem remain in their sin and be obstinate.46900:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.359Right, yeah's we can find ourselvessometimes in a position where someone's angry47000:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.119with us, they're not listening towhat we're saying, they're just angry and47100:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.509pouring out their anger on us,and we want to try to set them47200:33:27.589 --> 00:33:30.230straight and want to try to standour ground because we don't want to be47300:33:30.430 --> 00:33:34.029perceived as cowards or cowardly. Andand really, again, it can be47400:33:34.430 --> 00:33:37.829prideful. Yeah, it's has beenfor me. Yeah, when in reality,47500:33:37.950 --> 00:33:39.829like I said earlier, we justneed to let God deal with them.47600:33:39.990 --> 00:33:44.299That mean ultimately it's God that changesthe heart. Yeah, yeah,47700:33:44.380 --> 00:33:47.380scripture. The Lord helped me withthis is some years ago, as I47800:33:47.460 --> 00:33:51.700was reading through the book of proverbs. Proverbs is so chalk ful. The47900:33:51.740 --> 00:33:55.490wisdom it is is the book ofWisdom. As a man, I know48000:33:55.650 --> 00:34:00.289especially, we don't want to backaway from a fight, right, and48100:34:00.490 --> 00:34:05.210there is a sense in which evenin Christian men there's just warrior spirit,48200:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.890right. That's the reason why I'mout there. One of the reasons why48300:34:07.890 --> 00:34:12.159I'm out there is because children aredying, right, and I should stand48400:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.880as a man who loves Jesus.I should stand against that evil and I48500:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.199could. I should stand boldly,right, and anyone who's ever been on48600:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.960the sidewalk with me. If youwould accuse me of not standing boldly,48700:34:23.630 --> 00:34:28.269you're not you're not watching what's happening, because I I do stand boldly.48800:34:28.309 --> 00:34:30.230I'm not saying that that to myown horn. Yeah, but I'm there48900:34:30.469 --> 00:34:34.429speak of the truth's what we needto do. That's what every man should49000:34:34.469 --> 00:34:37.909do. I'm not cowering down,I'm not cowering away from speaking the truth.49100:34:37.989 --> 00:34:39.900Yeah, that abortion is murder.I'm not carrying away from the Gospel.49200:34:39.940 --> 00:34:44.820I'm speaking all of that stuff right, and with that along that same49300:34:44.820 --> 00:34:47.139vein, when someone's anger with me, especially if it's another man. Yeah,49400:34:47.139 --> 00:34:50.300I want to stand firm, Iwant to stand bold, I want49500:34:50.300 --> 00:34:53.010to speak back some truth to combatthe lie that he's just spoken against me.49600:34:53.050 --> 00:34:58.849Right, but the Bible says,and this is what the Lord struck49700:34:58.929 --> 00:35:00.889me with, and proverbs chapter twenty, verse three, it says it's honorable49800:35:00.929 --> 00:35:06.050for a man to stop striving,since any any fool, can start a49900:35:06.090 --> 00:35:08.960quarrel. Any fool cant, anyfool coral. That gives you a whole50000:35:09.039 --> 00:35:14.000different perception of when you're fighting,because act as a man. The thinking50100:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.800is that if I back down,then I'm going to be perceived as a50200:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.750coward and and the tendency can sometimesbe a little over the top with that50300:35:23.590 --> 00:35:28.829to when someone comes out, especiallyanother man who's angry with me, for50400:35:29.230 --> 00:35:30.750for me to want to stand myground, if he says some kind of50500:35:30.789 --> 00:35:35.150accusation against me, you're you're this, you're that, you're not this,50600:35:35.349 --> 00:35:37.739you're not that, whatever their accusation, I want to come back with that,50700:35:37.900 --> 00:35:42.980with some kind of scriptural truth todefend myself. Right. But this50800:35:43.059 --> 00:35:46.460scripture, proverbs twenty verse three,tells me, and the thinking can be50900:35:46.739 --> 00:35:51.090from a man's perspective, I don'tknow about you, from your perspective,51000:35:51.170 --> 00:35:55.610that if I back down, thenI'm a coward myself. Yeah, and51100:35:57.289 --> 00:36:00.849there's sometimes that's what goes through mymind. But also sometimes what cloes through51200:36:00.889 --> 00:36:04.559my mind is I'm charged by Godto speak. I've got a spirit of51300:36:04.599 --> 00:36:07.800truth and I kind of I justwant to just keep pushing what I think51400:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.840I'm called to do. Yeah,so this scripture in my mind again it's51500:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.639like it be dishonorable for me toback away from night. Be Dishonorable for51600:36:15.800 --> 00:36:20.309me not to tell that guy who'sangry at me, even though he's taking51700:36:20.389 --> 00:36:23.269his girlfriend and to kill his ownchild. He's angry at me for judging51800:36:23.309 --> 00:36:27.230him or something like that. BeDishonorable for me not to set him straight.51900:36:27.349 --> 00:36:30.590But actually, the Bible says inproverbs twenty, verse three, it52000:36:30.789 --> 00:36:34.219is honorable for a man to stopstriving, since any fool can start a52100:36:34.260 --> 00:36:38.699quarrel, any fool, doesn't matterhow much biblical knowledge or how how little52200:36:38.739 --> 00:36:43.659biblical knowledge you have. Doesn't matterhow close to Jesus you are or how52300:36:43.699 --> 00:36:46.250far away from Jesus you are.Any fool, any old fool, can52400:36:46.289 --> 00:36:50.210start a quarrel. Anybody can starta fight. Yeah, so, yeah,52500:36:50.250 --> 00:36:52.730the implication here is that in bycan start a fight, but not52600:36:52.929 --> 00:36:57.050just anybody can really back down froma fight. It really takes an honorable52700:36:57.130 --> 00:37:00.610person. Yeah, regardless of whatthe world says. The world says you've52800:37:00.650 --> 00:37:04.280got to stand for your honor andall this other stuff. If you want52900:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.559to stand for honor, stand forhonor the way God says to and just53000:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.960back down. Yeah, that fightif again, we we have to be53100:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.909led by the Holy Spirit. Thereare times where I've stood and when I've53200:37:17.909 --> 00:37:22.110had somebody accusing me of whatever itmight be. Again, some angry person53300:37:22.190 --> 00:37:27.070out there right where I have pushedback with some truth where I have gone53400:37:27.070 --> 00:37:30.820a little bit back and forth withthem, but there's been probably more times53500:37:30.860 --> 00:37:32.420where I've said, you know,I'm not your enemy, I'm not here53600:37:32.420 --> 00:37:36.219to argue with you, and Ijust leave it at that. Yeah,53700:37:36.420 --> 00:37:39.820and I think that part of theability to do that is to trust that53800:37:40.099 --> 00:37:45.369God knows everything that's going on.He knows that person, he sees that53900:37:45.530 --> 00:37:51.010person. You have planted seeds andnow trust, just trust that God is54000:37:51.170 --> 00:37:54.929going to take it from there orsomeone else will. It's not over and54100:37:55.050 --> 00:37:59.320I think we, when we wantto fight really hard. For me anyway,54200:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.480I feel like this is my lastchance. I've got to do it54300:38:01.599 --> 00:38:07.039now. I feel the urgency andsometimes I think that's just me. It's54400:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.639all me. I got to doit instead of let it's not my own54500:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.750battle. There's others that are goingto battle. Yeah, for for the54600:38:15.949 --> 00:38:19.949for if not for this child,for the soul of that person, and54700:38:20.349 --> 00:38:24.110and there's God, and just trustthat that he will bring the increase.54800:38:24.150 --> 00:38:28.380He always does. Yes, alwayshis battle in the end. Yeah.54900:38:28.980 --> 00:38:34.539So yeah, I mean that thatwhole dynamic of weird just planting seeds in55000:38:34.780 --> 00:38:37.380watering seeds, and goddess God's theone that's got to give the increase,55100:38:37.500 --> 00:38:40.690not us. Yeah, like Iliterally can't take a plant and pull it55200:38:40.769 --> 00:38:44.570out of the ground and make itgrow more. Right, the same PRINSIPH55300:38:44.610 --> 00:38:47.130I. I really can't go insomeone's heart, yeah, from an angry55400:38:47.170 --> 00:38:52.250person to a broken person, yeah, and change their heart. Yeah,55500:38:52.409 --> 00:38:54.880ultimately it's God that does that.I've just got a plant and water seeds,55600:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.039and there's a point at which youcan over water a seed. Yeah,55700:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.199you can do too much to aseed sometimes and end up killing the55800:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.389seed. Yeah, and so therecomes a point where further argument or further55900:39:09.590 --> 00:39:15.269discussion is not productive. Yeah,and that, you know, it takes56000:39:15.389 --> 00:39:20.670discernment. If they're about to punchyou in the nose, it's probably no56100:39:20.909 --> 00:39:23.300longer productive. It's time to moveon. And, of course, the56200:39:23.340 --> 00:39:28.619pearls before swine, yeah, comesto mind as the perfect verse. Yeah,56300:39:28.739 --> 00:39:34.739when that happened. I think thisis a actually a major you're verse56400:39:34.940 --> 00:39:37.460that we need to focus on whenwe're dealing with angry people and we're when56500:39:37.500 --> 00:39:42.369we're dealing with nonreceptive people. Right, Jesus says, do not give what56600:39:42.489 --> 00:39:45.929is holy to dogs. And wehave the truth. We have the truth56700:39:45.969 --> 00:39:47.889of God's word, of who Godis, what God says about abortion,56800:39:47.969 --> 00:39:51.690what he says about these moms andthese babies. We've got this body of56900:39:51.769 --> 00:39:54.360truth and we're trying to deliver thatinformation and get them to come and talk57000:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.440with us and all of that.But if they're just not receptive, yeah,57100:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.360they become not I always have togive this coffee a caveat. We're57200:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.440not talking that these women are dogs, that they don't have any value,57300:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.909that they're just swine, they're justpigs and we're just named calling. That's57400:40:08.949 --> 00:40:13.710not what this is right. Butwhat he's really talking about here is categories57500:40:13.750 --> 00:40:16.750of people, and he's, ofcourse talking to Jewish people, and they57600:40:16.829 --> 00:40:22.059do think of gentiles and people thatare not Jewish as dogs and as swine.57700:40:22.739 --> 00:40:25.460So, I guess, Jesus andone sin is relating to the Jewish57800:40:25.500 --> 00:40:31.460people like these these holy things thatwe have. And actually I think he's57900:40:31.500 --> 00:40:35.969doing something that might be offensive tothe to the Jewish leaders, is he's58000:40:36.210 --> 00:40:39.690actually identifying them those who resistant tothe truth. They think the gentiles are58100:40:39.809 --> 00:40:45.409swine and dogs, but the Jewsthemselves who are rejecting him, the Jewish58200:40:45.409 --> 00:40:49.250leaders, I would say specifically thePharisees, are putting themselves right in line58300:40:49.530 --> 00:40:52.800with these gentiles by not receiving thetruth. But here's what Jesus says.58400:40:53.239 --> 00:40:58.800He doesn't say if they're if they'renot receiving what you're saying, then you58500:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.159need to call them dogs and swine. Right now. That's not his point,58600:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.389not a point. And now hispoint is, I think, to58700:41:05.510 --> 00:41:07.829shut your mouth. Yeah, like, if they're not receptive, don't try.58800:41:07.909 --> 00:41:12.670If the soil will not take theseed, don't try to push it58900:41:12.789 --> 00:41:15.230down in there. Just say,okay, the soil is too hard,59000:41:15.269 --> 00:41:19.380it's not ready for the seed.Yeah, and I think there's a bit59100:41:19.699 --> 00:41:24.019of self preservation in this scripture,because I never noticed until you pointed that59200:41:24.260 --> 00:41:28.179out. This is good. Youshould read this scripture. So that that,59300:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.260because I bet other people have missedthat endpoint of that scripture like I59400:41:31.380 --> 00:41:35.170did. Yeah, so we kindof have this idea don't give what's holy59500:41:35.250 --> 00:41:37.929to dogs, don't throw your pearlsbefore swine, and we kind of we59600:41:37.969 --> 00:41:42.010kind of leave it there. Yeah, which the principle is don't speak the59700:41:42.090 --> 00:41:45.329Gospel, speak the truth to peopleare just completely resistant. They're angry with59800:41:45.449 --> 00:41:50.440you. Just don't do it right. But this next component, or they59900:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.159will trample them under feet. Sothat's terrible for the for the pearls right,60000:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.639right, and turn to tear youto pieces. So a little bit60100:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.590of self preservation in the scripture.Sometimes people turn and try to tear you60200:42:02.630 --> 00:42:07.309to pieces because you've not applied thisprinciple of not given what's holy to dogs60300:42:07.829 --> 00:42:12.230and giving this these pearls, he'sawesome, pearls of truth to swine,60400:42:12.429 --> 00:42:16.219to people whose hearts are hardened,whose soil is not been tilled. You60500:42:16.300 --> 00:42:20.460know, sometimes you just again needto leave in God's hands. Yeah,60600:42:20.780 --> 00:42:23.579for for the sake of the pearlsthemselves, the truth, the precious trees60700:42:23.619 --> 00:42:27.500of God's word, and then foryour own sake so they don't come around60800:42:27.539 --> 00:42:31.449and tear you up. A yeah, yeah, it's a that's a perfect60900:42:31.530 --> 00:42:37.650verset, a great first that becausealso your time is very valuable, what61000:42:37.730 --> 00:42:43.090you're doing out there, and ifyou're spending maybe not necessarily that they're angry,61100:42:43.170 --> 00:42:45.639but you're spending a lot of timewith with someone who just is not61200:42:46.400 --> 00:42:51.119hearing it, then it's time sometimesto move on. Yeah, and to61300:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.400find those receptive hearts who will hearit? Yeah, when are our next61400:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.429point, was on our list ofpoints we were going over, was it's61500:43:00.429 --> 00:43:04.510a little bit controversial. We're notsure if it's good or bad. It61600:43:04.710 --> 00:43:07.710sometimes can be both, and that'sif violence has it's reached the point where,61700:43:07.869 --> 00:43:12.630okay, threats, their people aremaking threats or there's direct violence,61800:43:13.260 --> 00:43:17.500we train our people to pull outtheir phone and start video taking, but61900:43:19.059 --> 00:43:22.739we know that sometimes people grab thephone, sometimes people sometimes it seems to62000:43:22.739 --> 00:43:28.530escalated even further. Yeah, andand so I guess you do that with62100:43:28.730 --> 00:43:30.889discernment. Yeah, one of thethings that we do is we have a62200:43:30.969 --> 00:43:35.530camera that set up that I havehidden. Yeah, yeah, because I62300:43:35.610 --> 00:43:38.690think you do need to be videotapeyou on some level so that if something62400:43:38.769 --> 00:43:43.199violent does happen, that person canbe held accountable. Right, you can62500:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.239show that to the police. It'snot just your word against theirs, but62600:43:45.280 --> 00:43:50.400you actually have video of what happened. Yeah, so I think that's important.62700:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.000I think you always need to havea camera running. Now we talk62800:43:52.119 --> 00:43:57.429about cameras and having a camera running, that it's better to be hidden rather62900:43:57.469 --> 00:44:00.510than I know I've seen some peoplewear like a gopro on their chest.63000:44:00.590 --> 00:44:04.710Yeah, I think if you dothat you're really minimizing the interactions that you're63100:44:04.710 --> 00:44:07.670going to have with the women goinginto the abortion center because they're they're there63200:44:07.710 --> 00:44:10.539to hide their sin anyway. Yeah, and they're probably going to be less63300:44:10.579 --> 00:44:14.579like that. I would not sayprobably. It's a definitely less likely to63400:44:14.739 --> 00:44:16.900engage with you. Right, ifyou got a visible camera. Sure,63500:44:17.059 --> 00:44:21.980so that's, you know, kindof a little bit of a different thought63600:44:22.539 --> 00:44:25.329train there. We're talking about holdingaccountable people who are angry. Yeah,63700:44:25.489 --> 00:44:29.530having a hidden camera listen. Ifyou need to and you think it's going63800:44:29.570 --> 00:44:31.289to be helpful to diffuse a situation, you could point say I got a63900:44:31.369 --> 00:44:35.050camera right there, so you needto calm down. Right, you might64000:44:35.130 --> 00:44:37.929get say that. Now they mayrun over and smash your camera, and64100:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.800there is that possibility, but itis it is really important if things do64200:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.400escalate and if you want to calla police, which you should if it64300:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.400escalates, if you don't have proofs, they're not going to do anything.64400:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.110Yeah, they have to have proof. Yeah, so what we're saying is,64500:44:52.829 --> 00:44:57.630I think it's helpful to play yourphone and star video and yeah,64600:44:57.670 --> 00:45:02.510but also it's not like it's notnecessarily going to be a hundred percent diffuse64700:45:02.550 --> 00:45:07.699a situation. Right, it's itcould, in some scenarios actually escalated even64800:45:07.739 --> 00:45:10.059more. Right. So, yeah, I guess you have to do the64900:45:10.099 --> 00:45:14.900best you can to use discernment.Yeah, and you know, yeah,65000:45:14.900 --> 00:45:17.019you're going to pull out your phone. Maybe be sneaky about it, right,65100:45:17.139 --> 00:45:20.739have a team member shoe out ofit. It should be. Maybe,65200:45:20.780 --> 00:45:22.250if you've got a team out there, make sure maybe that all the65300:45:22.329 --> 00:45:27.489team knows if they are is anythingthat looks like it's going to escalate,65400:45:27.570 --> 00:45:30.250be sure that you've got your phoneat the ready and do it. Kind65500:45:30.289 --> 00:45:34.809of hide your phone, especially ifyou've had the experience of people grabbing your65600:45:34.849 --> 00:45:39.280phone or being angry. Some somepeople are, some communities even are are65700:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.199more likely to be more angry.Yeah, depending on on where it is65800:45:45.360 --> 00:45:50.269and who they are. So sowe have not really experienced that, I65900:45:50.309 --> 00:45:52.349would say. I would say ingeneral what we see when we pull out66000:45:52.349 --> 00:45:57.869a phone is d escalation. Yeah, but not every time, but most66100:45:57.869 --> 00:46:00.909time. So I would probably airon pulling out my phone. Yeah,66200:46:01.030 --> 00:46:05.699but if someone has had an experiencewhere that too often leads to tanger than66300:46:05.780 --> 00:46:07.380do it. Do it secretly.Have a team member do it secretly?66400:46:07.579 --> 00:46:12.619Yeah. Yeah, so just kindof wrapping this up. We're at the66500:46:12.659 --> 00:46:15.099end of this episode, right,and we don't think need to labor these66600:46:15.139 --> 00:46:21.130points much longer. Soft answer turnsaway wrath. Yeah, that's the key66700:46:21.210 --> 00:46:24.090to all of this. It's honorablefor a man to stop striving. To66800:46:24.170 --> 00:46:28.010back away from a fight is anhonorable thing, not a dishonorable thing.66900:46:28.050 --> 00:46:31.809Yeah, don't throw your pearls beforeswine R I will give these precious truth67000:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.840to people who are just resistant tohim, right, because I're going to67100:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.760trample them underfoot and they're probably goingto turn around and tear you up to67200:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.679it's going to come back on you. So that's these are some awesome biblical67300:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.119principles. Yeah, but there's somepractical principles too, and I would say,67400:46:45.320 --> 00:46:52.070just practically, if you are physicallyassaulted, even verbally thro threatened,67500:46:53.070 --> 00:46:58.030then call the police. Yeah,that's an accountability peace. Yeah, that67600:46:58.230 --> 00:47:00.349needs to be brought into play.You know, the Bible says in Romans67700:47:00.349 --> 00:47:06.219Chapter Thirteen that the government is God'sMinister of Justice, that the government should67800:47:06.219 --> 00:47:10.500be employed to punish evil doers.If someone physically threatens you and physically assaults67900:47:10.539 --> 00:47:15.809you, they need to be heldaccountable right, not just and we have68000:47:15.889 --> 00:47:21.050to have an attitude of forgiveness.Absolutely we these are we know, I68100:47:21.130 --> 00:47:24.329think, from experience, and justpractically hurt people. Hurt people. So68200:47:24.449 --> 00:47:28.210these people are hurt, there's somedeep stuff going on. There's conviction,68300:47:28.289 --> 00:47:30.679there's guilt they're feeling, there's allkinds of emotions and all that. Listen,68400:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.440we get it. Yeah, andwe need to be understanding as far68500:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.400as that's concerned. We need tobe forgiving as far as that's concerned.68600:47:37.679 --> 00:47:43.360But if you let someone who ishurt, who's broken, lash out in68700:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.789anger, do something physically and youlet him get away with it, don't68800:47:45.789 --> 00:47:50.869be surprised if it's worst the nexttime. They lash out in anger and68900:47:50.909 --> 00:47:53.150threaten you going in. Don't besurprised if they do something physical coming back69000:47:53.190 --> 00:47:57.309out of the abortion. Say Yeah, so it's very important that you call69100:47:57.429 --> 00:48:00.940the police and involve the police inthis situation, explain to them clearly and69200:48:00.980 --> 00:48:06.300again, if you have video,that's even more helpful. Yeah, and69300:48:06.780 --> 00:48:12.019and so holding them accountable. Ithink with that practical tool is is really69400:48:12.099 --> 00:48:15.289helpful, and I don't know whatis legal in every area you would have69500:48:15.409 --> 00:48:17.130to figure that out for yourself,and I don't know how I feel about69600:48:17.130 --> 00:48:24.530this, Daniel, but just wedon't want our missionaries, are sidewalk missionaries,69700:48:24.570 --> 00:48:30.800to be sitting ducks. So whatcan you have on your person that69800:48:30.960 --> 00:48:37.199is maybe gonna protect you in thecase of of a dangerous person attacking you?69900:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.710And I may see in some placesit's legal, pepper spray and so70000:48:42.269 --> 00:48:46.030but you would have to find outwhat in your areas legal and what you're70100:48:46.070 --> 00:48:51.349comfortable. Yeah, absolutely, toprotect yourself. But I think if you're70200:48:51.469 --> 00:48:54.710finding that violence is erupting in andwhatever are you're in, I think that70300:48:54.940 --> 00:48:59.780does need to be a consideration.Yeah, absolutely. Now I will say70400:49:00.500 --> 00:49:04.260that pretty much across the board.I can't address as far as like pepper70500:49:04.300 --> 00:49:07.739spray and all of that and yourdifferent areas. You'll have to you guys70600:49:07.780 --> 00:49:10.289will have to look for that yourself. Right, but I do know that70700:49:10.809 --> 00:49:15.329some folks can seal carry. Theyhave a gun, yeah, and they70800:49:15.369 --> 00:49:17.730carry that wherever they go in frontof an abortion center. You can't do70900:49:17.889 --> 00:49:21.730that, right. You can't dothat, even though you might say,71000:49:21.809 --> 00:49:25.519well, I have second amendment.Absolutely, you do understand that this is71100:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.159not a podcast about the constitution.I love the constitution. I believe in71200:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.199the Second Amendment. Yeah, however, there are laws on the books here71300:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.920North Carolina there are, and mostevery other stay their laws on the books71400:49:37.960 --> 00:49:39.630that if you have a concealed carrypermit, you can't carry in front of71500:49:39.710 --> 00:49:44.710at a protest. And that's whatthey consider us, whether we like it71600:49:44.789 --> 00:49:47.710or not. We're considered protesters ata medical facility and we do have as71700:49:47.750 --> 00:49:52.829a policy as a ministry, LoveLife has a policy that no one come71800:49:52.900 --> 00:49:57.260to our prayer walks and when volunteeringwith us on the sidewalk or in a71900:49:57.340 --> 00:50:00.340prayer walk or whatever, is goingto be concealed carrying a gun right in72000:50:00.460 --> 00:50:04.940front of the abortion center. Sothat's something that if you're not under love72100:50:05.019 --> 00:50:07.610life, I can't tell you whatto do, but I'm just telling you72200:50:07.969 --> 00:50:10.010it's illegal to do that. Yeah, and I think it could get in72300:50:10.090 --> 00:50:15.730a situation where it dishonors the Lordbecause you know, the pro abort media72400:50:15.769 --> 00:50:19.050are going to get ahold of itand, you know, put on the72500:50:19.130 --> 00:50:22.719front page or wherever that pro lifeor had a gun in front of the72600:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.800abortion clinic or whatever. That's goingto capitalize on that. So that situation72700:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.000it's just just don't carry your gun. I have a concealed carry permit.72800:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.559Yeah, I used to carry mygun everywhere I went, every scenario,72900:50:35.829 --> 00:50:39.389just for Selfdefense, but mainly forthe defense of others, right, but73000:50:39.429 --> 00:50:43.829I don't car it anymore since I'vebeen ministering full time on the sidewalks.73100:50:44.230 --> 00:50:45.989I just don't carry it now.I should carry it in other scenarios,73200:50:46.150 --> 00:50:49.309but I knew since I couldn't carrythere, I kind of got out of73300:50:49.389 --> 00:50:53.659habit, yeah, of carrying it. Yeah, and I think it's I73400:50:53.780 --> 00:50:58.300think I'm safer on that end asfar as you know, just being careful,73500:50:58.380 --> 00:51:02.900not to be not to have theappearance of evil in any area.73600:51:02.980 --> 00:51:07.969Yeah, to just not carried itall there. Yeah, so that's just73700:51:07.250 --> 00:51:10.929something, some things to mention.I think there's a lot that we could73800:51:10.929 --> 00:51:14.969say along these lines. Are somebiblical principles. I would say get into73900:51:14.969 --> 00:51:17.760the book of proverbs. Let Godminister to your heart. But the book74000:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.239of proverbs and there's a lot inthere about dealing with angry people. There's74100:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.719a lot about dealing with different allkinds of scenarios there in the book of74200:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.440proverbs. But with that I thinkwe're going to wrap this thing up.74300:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.230Vicki's going to put an article outthere along the lines of what we've talked74400:51:32.230 --> 00:51:36.349about in this podcast. We knowthat that'll be a blessing to you guys.74500:51:36.750 --> 00:51:39.030If you have suggestions for us forfuture podcast, we would love to74600:51:39.070 --> 00:51:42.590hear what those suggestions are. Youcan reach out to me, Daniel,74700:51:42.750 --> 00:51:45.670Love Life Dot Org. You canreach out to Vicky, Vicky at Love74800:51:45.750 --> 00:51:49.699Life Dot Org. If you wantto get trained to do sidewalk ministry,74900:51:49.739 --> 00:51:51.940we'd love to get you in thatvein to get trained to do that.75000:51:52.380 --> 00:51:53.659So you can reach out to meagain, as I mentioned at the beginning75100:51:53.659 --> 00:51:58.699of this podcast. But until nexttime, God bless, God bless.75200:52:00.929 --> 00:52:14.809Give me our love for love,give me our love for gratitude. I75300:52:15.130 --> 00:52:23.519know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious and some you