July 23, 2020

Dealing With Abortion Advocates, Biblically

Dealing With Abortion Advocates, Biblically

If you've spent any amount of time ministering at an abortion center you have likely encountered pro-abortion advocates. There's a certain understanding that we need to have as Christians that can help us navigate through the different challenges that...


If you've spent any amount of time ministering at an abortion center you have likely encountered pro-abortion advocates. There's a certain understanding that we need to have as Christians that can help us navigate through the different challenges that these people present. Join Vicky and Daniel as they look at this from a Biblical and practical perspective.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:09.990 Lord, I am you. Welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life podcast. 3 00:00:10.109 --> 00:00:13.789 In this episode we're going to talk about how to deal with pro abortion advocates, 4 00:00:14.029 --> 00:00:16.829 especially at the abortion centers, and, as always, will look at 5 00:00:16.870 --> 00:00:20.269 this from a biblical as well as a practical perspectives. To stay tuned. 6 00:00:23.699 --> 00:00:36.090 I felt show Passi touch your use. Welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life 7 00:00:36.170 --> 00:00:40.729 podcast. We're going to come cover a subject today that we hope will be 8 00:00:40.810 --> 00:00:45.289 helpful and, as often times, we're going to come from the perspective that 9 00:00:45.450 --> 00:00:49.049 we are involved in on a regular basis, which is sidewalk counseling and being 10 00:00:49.090 --> 00:00:52.840 out in front of abortion centers, and this is a common issue that people 11 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:56.320 are going to face. You could face this in other contexts, face this 12 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:00.799 on social media, and it's basically dealing with people who oppose you, and 13 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.870 in our context it's pro abortion advocates right and how to handle that. You 14 00:01:03.989 --> 00:01:08.510 know, on the sidewalk we have those folks that come that they call themselves 15 00:01:08.549 --> 00:01:12.950 clinic defenders and they come out to defend a woman's right to choose, and 16 00:01:14.030 --> 00:01:17.989 I don't like to give them a whole lot of airtime. But I did 17 00:01:18.109 --> 00:01:21.780 think it was important for us to talk about this dynamic because again, it's 18 00:01:21.819 --> 00:01:25.700 a dynamic that people deal with a sidewalk counselors in front of abortion centers to 19 00:01:25.739 --> 00:01:27.579 dynamic we deal with on social media too, is're trying to share the 20 00:01:27.620 --> 00:01:30.459 truth about what abortion is. And Yeah, you know, we get our 21 00:01:30.579 --> 00:01:36.090 facebook page on cities for Life Charlotte rolled by these pro abortion people all the 22 00:01:36.170 --> 00:01:38.689 time, even our personal pages some yeah, and what kind of started this 23 00:01:38.849 --> 00:01:44.730 off is that some of the probortion people have actually gotten on the reviews in 24 00:01:44.810 --> 00:01:49.879 this podcast and they've actually kind of rolled that and put some some pretty nasty 25 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.200 things out there. And so I would encourage you guys who are listening to 26 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:57.640 please, if you like this podcast, go on Apple, itunes and I'm 27 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.829 not sure if the other podcast services let you do this, let you leave 28 00:02:00.870 --> 00:02:06.150 reviews, but apple does and those reviews do matter. At one time we 29 00:02:06.230 --> 00:02:09.229 had five stars and some good reviews. Now we got four stars because these 30 00:02:09.270 --> 00:02:14.030 pro abortion people have gone on there. Not a big deal tonight, but 31 00:02:14.069 --> 00:02:15.580 I want to encourage you guys, if you like this podcast, to go 32 00:02:15.819 --> 00:02:21.300 on and leave a comment. Let us know how you you know what you 33 00:02:21.419 --> 00:02:25.020 like about this. If you have suggestions that we often encourage you guys to 34 00:02:25.060 --> 00:02:28.979 do, certainly can reach out to me. We'd love to cover some subjects 35 00:02:28.979 --> 00:02:34.530 that maybe you guys have not heard US cover and give you our unique perspective 36 00:02:34.650 --> 00:02:38.689 and that sort of thing. But yeah, so this was spurred on by 37 00:02:38.610 --> 00:02:44.520 the fact that these probortion people have trold our podcast reviews and even our facebook 38 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.560 pages and we thought that let's just springboard off of that. Yeah, we're. 39 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.360 I mean it's not like we haven't dealt with this stuff before. So 40 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.599 it's not it's not like we're taking personal offense. We understand these people have 41 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.229 issues, we understand these people need the Lord, but we thought it would 42 00:02:59.229 --> 00:03:01.830 be good at opportunity just to springboard off of this and share some wisdom with 43 00:03:01.949 --> 00:03:05.629 you guys right from the word and from marks. Brace it. Yeah, 44 00:03:05.669 --> 00:03:07.509 face it absolutely the sidewalk. If you're any kind in any kind of pro 45 00:03:07.629 --> 00:03:10.909 life at endeavor, even if it's just posting things on facebook as a pro 46 00:03:12.030 --> 00:03:15.060 life presence, you are going to face opposition. Yeah, and and I 47 00:03:15.180 --> 00:03:19.419 think that there are ways that we can deal effectively with them and ways that 48 00:03:19.460 --> 00:03:23.979 are maybe not as effective and maybe even damage chain to us as people in 49 00:03:24.020 --> 00:03:29.289 the pro life movement. So one of the things I thought of when when 50 00:03:29.330 --> 00:03:35.810 we first started talking about this subject was the famous quote know thy enemy, 51 00:03:36.569 --> 00:03:39.930 and I and I looked up. I know I actually didn't know who said 52 00:03:39.930 --> 00:03:45.240 that, but everybody knows that quote. Well, so it's the Chinese general 53 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.400 son Sue, I'm not sure I'm pronouncing his last name right, T SEU. 54 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.520 And he said know thy enemy and know THY and know yourself. In 55 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:57.669 a hundred battles you will never be defeated when you're ignorant of the enemy, 56 00:03:58.110 --> 00:04:00.870 but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant 57 00:04:00.949 --> 00:04:04.830 both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in 58 00:04:04.949 --> 00:04:11.340 every battle. So now I know he's not our authority. Yeah, I 59 00:04:11.419 --> 00:04:17.019 mean leave it to Vicky to quote some Calmy to the help us understand the 60 00:04:17.060 --> 00:04:21.819 biblical truth. But the reality is even a calm me like that right, 61 00:04:24.410 --> 00:04:28.370 even a broken clock is right twice a day, right, right. So 62 00:04:28.889 --> 00:04:32.649 there is a dynamic there that he's kind of spells out that we see in 63 00:04:32.689 --> 00:04:35.610 the scriptures. Yeah, let's look at Paul. That goes the same sentiment 64 00:04:35.769 --> 00:04:41.560 and Second Corinthians to eleven, Second Corinthians to eleven, Corinthians to eleven. 65 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.120 Be turned there in my mind. And while you're turning there, I mean 66 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:47.439 even you may want to just kind of briefly discuss well, are they really 67 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.560 are enemy? Enemies? Pretty harsh word. Yeah, and and yet so 68 00:04:53.069 --> 00:04:57.829 there's definitely two sides out there. At every sidewalk off every abortion center, 69 00:04:57.870 --> 00:05:00.550 there's usually two sides. There's the socalled pro choice people, which we're going 70 00:05:00.550 --> 00:05:04.029 to talk about that that that is not an honest expression of who they are, 71 00:05:04.430 --> 00:05:09.180 and then there's the the people who are in supportive of the sanctity of 72 00:05:09.220 --> 00:05:13.100 life. Yeah, now, I wouldn't say that at every abortion clinic that 73 00:05:13.220 --> 00:05:16.100 there is a pro abortion presence, but at many of there are, and 74 00:05:16.339 --> 00:05:19.540 can looking on social media and friends that are reaching out at abortion centers. 75 00:05:19.579 --> 00:05:25.689 There's they have to deal with this. Some are more wicked than others, 76 00:05:25.970 --> 00:05:30.529 some are more vocal, their vocal and just venomous than others. Yeah, 77 00:05:30.730 --> 00:05:38.399 but they are our enemies in the sense that they're opposing us, they're opposing 78 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:44.439 the things that got us, called us to but there's this different dynamics when 79 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.519 use the word enemy. In a worldly sense we're thinking this is somebody that 80 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:53.470 we marginalizes, is somebody that we physically do something to. This in a 81 00:05:53.509 --> 00:05:58.389 Christian sense, your enemy is somebody that opposes you, but you don't have 82 00:05:58.509 --> 00:06:01.110 a right in a Christian sense to do anything physical to them. You don't 83 00:06:01.149 --> 00:06:04.420 have a right in a Christian sense. So just marginalize them. Yeah, 84 00:06:04.459 --> 00:06:09.019 we're sex it says love. Yeah, I love our enemies. We're supposed 85 00:06:09.060 --> 00:06:11.819 to do good, yeah, to those who do evil to us. Right, 86 00:06:12.339 --> 00:06:14.899 it's what we're supposed to do as Christians. We don't we don't get 87 00:06:15.060 --> 00:06:18.089 to justify. Certainly we can be angry, but we don't get to justify 88 00:06:18.089 --> 00:06:21.290 any kind of violence or thoughts of violence. We don't want kneel towards them. 89 00:06:21.569 --> 00:06:25.329 I mean, ultimately, if we love them, and we should, 90 00:06:25.370 --> 00:06:29.329 we should love our enemies. Right to love someone is to desire the highest 91 00:06:29.529 --> 00:06:31.850 good. And so when I see these pro abortion people out there, and 92 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.680 I certainly do not like their presence, and then they cause issues and whatever, 93 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.279 and they're nasty and their vile and all of that, but I love 94 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.000 them, and that doesn't mean I speak flowery to them all the time, 95 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.589 but I want the highest good for them. What is that? Well, 96 00:06:46.709 --> 00:06:50.389 that's that's coming to know the Lord, as says there, as they're safe 97 00:06:50.550 --> 00:06:54.310 salvation. That's right. I want them to know God. Yeah, and 98 00:06:54.350 --> 00:06:57.629 I want them to be eternally saved. That's yeah, that's what I desire 99 00:06:57.670 --> 00:07:00.350 for them now, because I want that, I'm going to speak the truth 100 00:07:00.430 --> 00:07:02.540 to them. So I'm not going to compromise the truth of the Gospel. 101 00:07:02.740 --> 00:07:05.620 That's the only way they're going to get saved. Yeah, and I'm not 102 00:07:05.740 --> 00:07:10.459 going to just, you know, kind of gloss over some of the ridiculous 103 00:07:10.500 --> 00:07:12.899 things that they say. It. Right, we've got to confront evil, 104 00:07:13.220 --> 00:07:15.290 right, and all of that. But let's go to this set and Corinthians, 105 00:07:15.370 --> 00:07:20.569 to in verse eleven, and it says less Satan should take advance image 106 00:07:20.569 --> 00:07:25.490 of us, for we are not ignorant of his devices, right. Yeah, 107 00:07:25.569 --> 00:07:29.889 and there's a context there, and Paul is talking about you. We 108 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.720 must know the truth, we must walk in the truth, we must be 109 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:36.959 aware of the enemy, like that that common guy you quoted. Right, 110 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:41.240 you've got to be aware of your enemies, son. Yeah, and and 111 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.149 my version says so that we would not be outwitted, yeah, by Satan, 112 00:07:45.430 --> 00:07:48.149 so you know, and and their goal is certainly to outwit us, 113 00:07:48.269 --> 00:07:51.589 to beat us at our game out there in a sense, and make sure 114 00:07:51.589 --> 00:07:57.029 that we don't score. Yeah, of course. And in their eyes it's 115 00:07:57.149 --> 00:08:01.259 the the saving of a baby that if the baby is saved, they've lost. 116 00:08:01.540 --> 00:08:03.540 We won. Yeah, and we know that's kind of ridiculous, of 117 00:08:03.620 --> 00:08:07.420 course, utterly rediculous. You know, it goes on in here, in 118 00:08:07.459 --> 00:08:11.139 the same book, Second Anthians to Art, Second Carinthians, chapter four actually, 119 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:13.889 which will probably cover this right. We do a little bit around further, 120 00:08:13.930 --> 00:08:18.089 but I want to just mention it now, okay. And it's whose 121 00:08:18.170 --> 00:08:22.769 minds this is talking about? People who don't know the Lord and says whose 122 00:08:22.850 --> 00:08:26.319 minds the God of this age is blinded, who do not believe lest the 123 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:31.240 light of the glory or The Gospel of the glory of Christ, who is 124 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.799 the image of God, should shine on them. Right their hearts and their 125 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:39.840 minds are darkened, they are lost. Now, let us not forget that 126 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:45.149 we were not born saved. Let us not forget that we too were at 127 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:48.110 one time blinded by the God of this world, by the devil, and 128 00:08:48.269 --> 00:08:52.990 we were doing the devil's bidding. Maybe we weren't standing in front of an 129 00:08:52.990 --> 00:08:56.899 abortion clinic supporting abortion, but we were doing other wicked things, right, 130 00:08:58.419 --> 00:09:01.620 even you yourself being in having an abortion right, that's that's sin. You 131 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:05.259 were blinded by the God of this age. And so we can't forget where 132 00:09:05.299 --> 00:09:09.809 we came from. If we started just marginalize these people and not deal with 133 00:09:09.850 --> 00:09:13.690 them as human beings. Now again, I don't mean that we that we 134 00:09:13.049 --> 00:09:18.529 don't marginalize their arguments. Their arguments are ridiculous. They're based in all kinds 135 00:09:18.570 --> 00:09:22.049 of just political rhetoric but other and they're evil and Godless, and so we 136 00:09:22.129 --> 00:09:26.720 don't. We validate their argument, right, but we can't just marginalize them 137 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.720 as human beings and say that they don't matter to the Lord. They do 138 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.320 matter to God. So hopefully we'll give you guys some principles that will help 139 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:39.309 you and give you, guys, just some experience from from our perspective that 140 00:09:39.389 --> 00:09:41.309 will help you if you're dealing with these people at the right portion center where 141 00:09:41.309 --> 00:09:45.509 you minister. Yeah, how much to do with them and specifically how to 142 00:09:45.629 --> 00:09:48.990 deal with them based on on our experiences. So you already kind of touched 143 00:09:50.070 --> 00:09:54.139 on it. As I was thinking through this kind of preparing an outline of 144 00:09:54.259 --> 00:09:58.620 it. There were at six major areas that presented themselves as as what I 145 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:05.620 thought we're good areas to talk about and how we deal with this group. 146 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:09.730 But I think the first thing is I tend to be nice and call them 147 00:10:11.009 --> 00:10:15.490 pro choice in quotation are quotations, because that's what they want. But we 148 00:10:15.610 --> 00:10:18.850 specifically are not going to do that in it because, and why? Don't 149 00:10:18.850 --> 00:10:20.730 you explain? Why? Why are we not going to? You know the 150 00:10:20.850 --> 00:10:24.799 list? I could I could be wrong and I'm sure there's probably some prolifers 151 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.679 out there, some abolitionist folks out there, some people who would disagree with 152 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.720 me, and please disagree with me. That's fine. To correct me, 153 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:33.600 send me an email while I'm wrong. Yeah, but I don't like to 154 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:39.870 give the devil and his minions an inch. I mean when we talk about 155 00:10:39.870 --> 00:10:43.070 being pro choice, right, and when these folks to call themselves pro choice, 156 00:10:43.830 --> 00:10:48.029 what are we implying there? The word choice implies the availability of more 157 00:10:48.070 --> 00:10:54.860 than one option. Correct, like at it's very basic core word meaning. 158 00:10:54.899 --> 00:11:00.100 Choice implies the availability of more than one actually are these people? Is the 159 00:11:00.139 --> 00:11:03.409 abortion clinic that's, you know, supposed to be a woman's choice healthcare facility. 160 00:11:03.450 --> 00:11:07.929 There even some of these abortion clinics that call themselves a woman's choice right. 161 00:11:07.129 --> 00:11:13.129 Are they offering any other options besides abortion? Now, and in fact 162 00:11:13.129 --> 00:11:16.409 they're. They're hindering our ability to offer the choice for life to the very 163 00:11:16.490 --> 00:11:22.879 best of their ability and they they often even cheer when when they are successful 164 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:28.039 in keeping someone from stopping and taking our information or hearing our voices. So 165 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.990 clearly they there one choice. That choice is the death of the all right, 166 00:11:31.990 --> 00:11:35.149 yeah, so if you only have one choice, then you actually don't 167 00:11:35.190 --> 00:11:39.190 have choice. Right, right, and so that's why I will call them 168 00:11:39.389 --> 00:11:41.350 not pro choice but pro abortion. Now again, I'm sure there's some folks, 169 00:11:41.870 --> 00:11:45.029 because we do want to meet people where they are. We don't want 170 00:11:45.029 --> 00:11:48.980 to just come out immediate just be offensive, but understand and I get it. 171 00:11:48.100 --> 00:11:52.179 There's a context. If you're minister in two people, pro choice minded 172 00:11:52.259 --> 00:11:54.980 people on a college campus, you're going to meet them where they're at. 173 00:11:54.019 --> 00:11:58.379 You're going to call them pro choice, that's what they call themselves whatever. 174 00:11:58.460 --> 00:12:01.139 But in the context were ministering in, we just don't have a lot of 175 00:12:01.220 --> 00:12:03.610 time to beat around the bus and I want them to understand we know where 176 00:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.330 they stand. Yeah, you know, they call us pro berth ors. 177 00:12:07.490 --> 00:12:11.009 For me to call them pro abortion people is not just for me to just 178 00:12:11.129 --> 00:12:15.759 get back at them. Yeah, it's just the reality and it's my experience 179 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.960 and it's many people's experience that are standing out there. There's not. They're 180 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.679 not offering other choice. Right. So it's probortion. So they're but so 181 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.840 that's what we're going to refer to them as a pro abortion proponents or the 182 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.830 pro abortion opposition or something along those lines, and that's why I wanted to 183 00:12:31.909 --> 00:12:35.590 make that clear. That's why we're it's a conscious choice. Yeah, in 184 00:12:35.950 --> 00:12:39.429 this podcast at least, referred to them that way. But the first thing, 185 00:12:39.509 --> 00:12:43.470 which you already kind of touched on, was know thy enemy. So 186 00:12:43.710 --> 00:12:48.179 in knowing thy Nimy, understanding the mindset, yeah, of the opposition. 187 00:12:48.379 --> 00:12:52.460 That's the critical kind of first step. I just had a group of three 188 00:12:52.580 --> 00:12:56.860 new volunteers that I was training this past Monday and one of them in particular 189 00:12:58.059 --> 00:13:01.049 just kept shaking his head, he could not take his eyes off of them, 190 00:13:01.610 --> 00:13:05.210 saying what, there's a wicked why don't they understand? And he was, 191 00:13:05.570 --> 00:13:07.330 he was he wasn't even listening to me. As I'm trying to train 192 00:13:07.409 --> 00:13:13.519 him what to do. That is very positive and uplifting and helps these women, 193 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.399 because he was so focused on why. Why? Why are they? 194 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.039 Are they this way? So I thought it's good to address that. First 195 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:22.840 of all. Why are they this? Yeah, what's going on in their 196 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:30.110 mind? That is well, I think the Bible addresses this issue and our 197 00:13:30.190 --> 00:13:35.269 experience addresses this issue. Again, we cannot forget who we were at one 198 00:13:35.389 --> 00:13:39.190 point, right, and we can't forget what God brought us from. Yeah, 199 00:13:39.269 --> 00:13:41.139 we were dead. This is biblical, right, right, making this 200 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:45.940 up. The Bible tells us for that. We are dead in our trespasses 201 00:13:45.980 --> 00:13:50.500 and sins. It tells us, and saying Corinthians that chapter four MM and 202 00:13:50.659 --> 00:13:54.809 verse four, that the God of this age has blinded their eyes. Those 203 00:13:56.009 --> 00:14:00.009 don't know the Lord. Their eyes are blinded. Yeah, they are blind. 204 00:14:00.690 --> 00:14:05.330 So we now there's a balance here. So I don't mean to convey 205 00:14:05.409 --> 00:14:09.210 that these people aren't responsible for their actions. I don't mean that, but 206 00:14:09.330 --> 00:14:13.440 the best analogy I can think of is you think about a person that's blind. 207 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.559 You're not angry with them because they can't see. It's like, why 208 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.759 don't you open your ass? Can't you see. Look what I'm trying to 209 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:20.840 show you. I'm trying to show you a picture. Why can't you look 210 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.950 at this? Right? They simply cannot. They're not equipped to see, 211 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:30.710 they cannot understand, they cannot perceive the truth. Now what has to happen 212 00:14:31.389 --> 00:14:33.269 is God has to open their hearts, God has to open their eyes. 213 00:14:33.750 --> 00:14:37.509 And how does he do that? Will primarily he does that through his word, 214 00:14:39.100 --> 00:14:41.980 right, and that's why we can't neglect sharing his word, and I'm 215 00:14:41.980 --> 00:14:45.179 sure we'll get in to some of this as we progress in this podcast. 216 00:14:45.340 --> 00:14:48.100 Yeah, but God's word. There's a temptation in us to argue from a 217 00:14:48.740 --> 00:14:52.450 scientific perspective of not saying we shouldn't, we should bring science into the equation. 218 00:14:52.570 --> 00:14:56.409 Science is just knowledge and God has given US knowledge, right, you 219 00:14:56.529 --> 00:14:58.090 know. So we can bring that into the equation, and I do. 220 00:14:58.370 --> 00:15:01.889 But we cannot neglect the word of God, even if they reject the word 221 00:15:01.929 --> 00:15:05.409 of God, which many of them did today as I was speaking on the 222 00:15:05.450 --> 00:15:09.039 microphone, as you were speaking some too. They said, what if we 223 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.960 don't believe in the Bible? I don't care what you believe. This is 224 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.919 true and I'm going to share it with you, right and that truth has 225 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.679 power, whether you believe in it or not. But from a worldly past 226 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:26.830 perspective, they do make some pretty big sacrifice as they're out there, usually 227 00:15:26.870 --> 00:15:28.750 not as long as us, but in nasty weather, they're out there pretty 228 00:15:28.789 --> 00:15:33.470 consistently. Well, why, no one makes a sacrifice and less they believe 229 00:15:33.750 --> 00:15:39.259 that it's worthwhile. So they are defending what they believe is precious. Yeah, 230 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:43.820 exact same way that we are defending what we believe is precious. So 231 00:15:43.220 --> 00:15:48.340 so, bottom line, they they believe largely, not not all of them, 232 00:15:48.500 --> 00:15:52.169 but but I would say probably most of them at least, the way 233 00:15:52.250 --> 00:15:56.370 that they rationalize being out there. They believe that this is not a human 234 00:15:56.450 --> 00:16:00.529 being, at least not a human being, a full human being worthy of 235 00:16:00.690 --> 00:16:03.129 rights. Yeah, and so the mother, the mother's needs and rights, 236 00:16:03.289 --> 00:16:10.200 trumps that unborn child. Bodily autonomy is is kind of like the the mantra 237 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:15.200 right, the autonomy is the chief thought and motivation, the right right. 238 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:17.519 And if you listen to the things that they say, in the language that 239 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:19.549 they use and some of even some of the exchanges on facebook, yeah, 240 00:16:19.590 --> 00:16:23.070 it's bodily autonomy. And so what we have to understand, just like what 241 00:16:23.190 --> 00:16:26.870 you said when we're when we're confronted with these people who were saying and doing 242 00:16:26.950 --> 00:16:30.549 some very evil things. Right, and they are. Some are more vile 243 00:16:30.629 --> 00:16:36.500 than others, and even at our abortion clinic there's some that are just completely 244 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:40.100 vile and there's some there kind of chill. Yeah, yeah, but what 245 00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:44.419 we have to understand is they, from their perspective, are trying to protect 246 00:16:44.659 --> 00:16:48.330 what's precious to them. Now it's twisted, it's perverted because, if we 247 00:16:48.450 --> 00:16:51.049 boil it down, what are they trying to protect? Oh, a woman's 248 00:16:51.049 --> 00:16:52.490 right to murder her child. Right, that's what they're trying to pro woman 249 00:16:52.570 --> 00:16:56.529 try to choose what to choose abortion, the dismembering, to choose to murder 250 00:16:56.610 --> 00:17:00.600 her child. So it's twist yes, it's perverted, it's tainted with the 251 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.799 thinking of this world. It's saturating in the thinking of this world. Right, 252 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:07.799 but we have to understand to them they're trying to protect what's precious to 253 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:12.279 them and in kind of the same way, so are we. Now our 254 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:17.950 primary motivation is the Lord. We love him, we want to bring his 255 00:17:18.109 --> 00:17:21.589 Gospel. So that's our primary motivation. So it's not it. It's not 256 00:17:21.710 --> 00:17:25.190 so much what's precious to us. Yes, what's precious to God and their 257 00:17:25.190 --> 00:17:27.549 foots, precious time, exactly. So we're there in it kind of a 258 00:17:27.630 --> 00:17:33.619 big picture way, right. We're there to protect what's precious to the Lord, 259 00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:37.259 which is the value of human life. Right, we're we're speaking the 260 00:17:37.339 --> 00:17:41.579 things that we're speaking or taking the stance that we're taking, because we believe 261 00:17:41.660 --> 00:17:45.049 every human life has value. Now, of course he's pro abortion. People 262 00:17:45.130 --> 00:17:48.009 they'll accuse us of not caring about children after they're born. If you've listened 263 00:17:48.009 --> 00:17:51.809 to this podcast or any amount of time, if you've followed cities for life, 264 00:17:51.930 --> 00:17:55.089 you know that ain't true. Right. I mean we go all, 265 00:17:55.490 --> 00:17:57.720 you know, over over the top sometimes, I think, in the ways 266 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:00.359 that we help and I don't think it's over the top, but you get 267 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.000 what I'm saying. We do a lot to go out of our way to 268 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.160 help these MOMS and these babies and these families, and we've seen God do 269 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.039 so many things. You guys have heard some of the testimonies, Ebony's testimony, 270 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.990 which is really powerful, and God still still doing something personals in her 271 00:18:15.029 --> 00:18:18.269 life. Yeah, hopefully we'll have her back on its point, but she's 272 00:18:18.349 --> 00:18:22.309 just one among many, many, many other stories. So it's a lie 273 00:18:22.710 --> 00:18:26.630 to believe that we don't care about these women and these babies after they're born. 274 00:18:26.630 --> 00:18:30.579 Rabbit tread a little bit on that. We're there to protect what is 275 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:36.579 precious. They're there to protect what's precious. Yeah, to them. Yeah, 276 00:18:36.579 --> 00:18:40.500 now again it's perverted, but we have to understand that. That's right, 277 00:18:40.700 --> 00:18:44.690 that's right. They would. They certainly don't consider themselves evil. They 278 00:18:45.529 --> 00:18:48.930 they believe that what they're doing is right, at least at some level. 279 00:18:49.009 --> 00:18:52.970 Yeah, or they it's a noble thing in their eyes. Right, you 280 00:18:52.009 --> 00:18:56.559 know, they put it on facebook and you know, look where I was 281 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.599 at today. I was defending the woman's right and all that. Yeah, 282 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.759 and so, yeah, that's the perspective they're coming from. We have to 283 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.200 understand that and in a certain sense you have to meet people where they are 284 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.630 right and come with that understanding. Right, that's that's the first thing, 285 00:19:10.750 --> 00:19:15.349 right, right, who has a Rushilingba? That says you can to expect 286 00:19:15.430 --> 00:19:18.390 a leopard not to wear its spots. You know you're gonna. And and 287 00:19:18.589 --> 00:19:25.420 so if you understand they this is what they are, then I think it 288 00:19:25.539 --> 00:19:29.019 does help you to be there with them each day and not be filled with 289 00:19:29.059 --> 00:19:32.740 anger at this is wait, they are blinded. They don't know the Lord, 290 00:19:33.140 --> 00:19:37.059 and people who don't know the Lord are going to act like people who 291 00:19:37.059 --> 00:19:40.250 don't know the Lord. It's par for the course. Yeah, so that 292 00:19:40.410 --> 00:19:44.450 leads kind of then to the the second big point, which is what is 293 00:19:44.730 --> 00:19:48.410 their motivation? And linked with that, are they all the same, like 294 00:19:48.490 --> 00:19:52.799 we're kind of talking about them as though they're there one monolithic group, but 295 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.839 that's really not the case. No, and it with any group, with 296 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.720 any you know, like all of us who are standing out there on the 297 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.559 sidewalk, we're not obviously all the same. Right now, those who are 298 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:06.559 Christians, and there are those who are standing out there who claimed me her 299 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:10.710 life, who aren't Christians right and they cause problems. They have their different 300 00:20:10.750 --> 00:20:14.670 motivations. But those who are believers, even within us, who love Jesus, 301 00:20:15.269 --> 00:20:18.109 God called us out there for different reasons. Some people are called out 302 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:22.819 there out of kind of their past, having had an abortion. Some people 303 00:20:22.859 --> 00:20:26.980 are called out there and God uses their past, in my situation, being 304 00:20:26.019 --> 00:20:30.500 a father at a young age, and God use that a spring board and 305 00:20:30.619 --> 00:20:33.019 to call me out there through their different motivations that we come with, and 306 00:20:33.299 --> 00:20:37.930 of course we understand that. Ultimately, though, our motivation, chief motivation, 307 00:20:38.089 --> 00:20:41.930 has to be a love for God and then out of that flows our 308 00:20:41.210 --> 00:20:44.809 love for our neighbor. Right. Right, babies, right. And what 309 00:20:45.009 --> 00:20:48.930 is their motivation, if you were to name, like their chief motivation as 310 00:20:48.210 --> 00:20:51.960 and, like I said, we know they're different, but they do probably 311 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.240 share a fairly similar motivation. Yeah, I mean, I would say again 312 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.319 it's that bodily autonomy thing, right, that we talked about first. That's 313 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:04.470 that's a motivation. I think some of it's probably a chief motivation. Among 314 00:21:04.589 --> 00:21:08.190 that it's like self validation. Yeah, and some of these, if you 315 00:21:08.309 --> 00:21:11.309 talk to him for any amount of time, you'll find that they have abortion 316 00:21:11.309 --> 00:21:15.349 in their past. Right, they themselves have had abortions. Yeah, they're 317 00:21:15.390 --> 00:21:19.019 captivated by that sin and misery loves company, Right, and they want to 318 00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:22.619 justify themselves. The more people that do if you're doing something that you know 319 00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.099 is wrong, you're doing something evil, the more people that are doing that, 320 00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:29.779 the more you can justify. You think about it. Yeah, I 321 00:21:29.980 --> 00:21:33.769 think that's absolutely doing. It absolutely true. I agree with that. And 322 00:21:33.329 --> 00:21:37.089 and and in terms of the different kinds of groups out there, I've talked 323 00:21:37.170 --> 00:21:41.049 with many of them over the years. And you know, there are some 324 00:21:41.609 --> 00:21:45.410 that say, well, I don't believe abortion is a good thing. Yeah, 325 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:51.359 and I myself would never have one, but I can't make that decision 326 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:55.880 for other people, so I'm supporting someone else's right to choose abortion. Yeah, 327 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:02.470 some of them will say abortion is is good in the first trimester because 328 00:22:02.509 --> 00:22:06.589 they again, they don't think that unborn child as as a human being, 329 00:22:06.670 --> 00:22:10.230 yeah, or as a baby or whatever. And then there's some that will 330 00:22:10.230 --> 00:22:12.710 support it all the way through to the moment of birth, some beyond, 331 00:22:15.980 --> 00:22:18.460 you know, for any reason. So I mean to me, and we 332 00:22:18.619 --> 00:22:22.619 did a podcast me a long time ago, last year, so time about 333 00:22:22.700 --> 00:22:26.700 this, this subject, about bodily autonomy, and that's right thing right, 334 00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:30.609 but to me the only consistent way, the only consistent argument you can have 335 00:22:30.730 --> 00:22:34.569 if you're talking bodily autonomy is you have to believe that abortion is okay up 336 00:22:34.609 --> 00:22:38.809 to birth. There's no right if you're talking bodily autonomy. And many of 337 00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:42.569 them will say, you know, I'll give to you that baby in the 338 00:22:42.609 --> 00:22:45.400 womb, that a feed us is alive. Right, but it's rights don't 339 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.319 trump the life of the mother. And that's the bodily autonomy argument kind of 340 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.440 bowled down very simplistically. Yeah, it will. If that's the case, 341 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.359 then if it's rights never trump the rights of the mother, then she can 342 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.240 kill it up until birth, right, and why not beyond birth? Honestly, 343 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:00.349 if you take that, well, I guess bodily autonomy it once it's 344 00:23:00.470 --> 00:23:04.670 exited her body. Than that are going. You've got folks in this vein, 345 00:23:04.869 --> 00:23:10.390 these pro abortion folks, who are, you know, population control sort 346 00:23:10.430 --> 00:23:12.579 of people, and I don't say that as some conspiracy thing. I've literally 347 00:23:12.619 --> 00:23:17.980 had some of the pro abortion people tell me that we need abortion because we've 348 00:23:18.019 --> 00:23:22.299 got to control the population and the natural outflow of that is. Well, 349 00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:26.779 then, if a child is born that has fetal abnormalities, that has issues, 350 00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:30.009 has things that are going on, then why, as we as a 351 00:23:30.130 --> 00:23:33.089 society, why should we put resources into that person? We can just go 352 00:23:33.170 --> 00:23:36.730 ahead and snuff their life out before they're you know, they're a year old 353 00:23:36.809 --> 00:23:40.289 or whatever. I think there are pro abortion people, without kind of getting 354 00:23:40.289 --> 00:23:42.880 sidetrack with that, do make those argument right now, I don't believe that 355 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:47.799 the majority of these people think that way. Right you know, reality is 356 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:49.640 that many of them, once you walk through their arguments and things they say 357 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:53.279 they're not really thinking a whole lot anyway, because a lot of the motivation, 358 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:59.630 which is why we see an increase in pro abortion presence at abortion clinics 359 00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:03.470 during election years, a lot of the motivation is political motivation. Correct. 360 00:24:03.509 --> 00:24:07.029 They didn't give a rip about women's rights until a couple of months before an 361 00:24:07.069 --> 00:24:11.460 election was coming. Yeah, you know, and so that's that's a reality 362 00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:14.940 to yeah. Yeah, but so I think it helps to think about that, 363 00:24:15.059 --> 00:24:18.660 to think about their motivation and understand kind of what makes them tick in 364 00:24:18.940 --> 00:24:25.730 in a general vein. But we are in St our contrast in terms of 365 00:24:26.210 --> 00:24:32.849 what our motivation is and and we've talked before about probably one of our favorite 366 00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:37.680 guiding verses in the Bible, which is proverbs one nine, yeah, which 367 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.880 is open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and 368 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.799 needy. And that's why we're there. You are opening our mouth. We 369 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.880 are filled with the righteousness of God, not our own righteousness, and we 370 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.950 are able to make a judgment based on that. Yeah, on on that, 371 00:24:52.069 --> 00:24:56.549 this is wrong and we are going to speak against the sea fil and 372 00:24:56.710 --> 00:25:00.670 that that. That is certainly, I think, a Gospel centered motivation. 373 00:25:00.710 --> 00:25:06.950 Absolutely vertically also are yeah, right. So, so going. Then the 374 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:11.259 next step from motivation would be okay, now we understand, kind of get 375 00:25:11.299 --> 00:25:15.220 a sense of the mindset. We understand the motivation. Now what are their 376 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.980 goals there, because I think it helps to think about what are their goals 377 00:25:21.809 --> 00:25:26.410 and then how do they achieve them? Yeah, well, we've got you 378 00:25:26.529 --> 00:25:30.369 written a wonderful article, like you do a lot. Thank we've got some 379 00:25:30.690 --> 00:25:33.529 motivations here, we've got some mindsets here that we've talked about, that you 380 00:25:33.609 --> 00:25:38.960 talked about in this article. And then sort of how do they achieve these 381 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.480 goals that they have right, and we kind of have said the main goal, 382 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.599 their main goal is the right of choice. That has become their God, 383 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:49.829 really the right of choice. They don't really go beyond choice. For 384 00:25:51.029 --> 00:25:55.869 what? But the right of choice. And then then we get into we've 385 00:25:55.869 --> 00:25:59.589 got great alliteration here. You know how I love Little Yeah, we've got 386 00:25:59.630 --> 00:26:02.509 how many D's? We've got a bunch of D's. I think we have 387 00:26:02.829 --> 00:26:04.380 one, two, three, four, it. So five things that we 388 00:26:04.539 --> 00:26:10.019 believe are kind of the main methods by which they attempt to achieve that goal. 389 00:26:10.220 --> 00:26:14.140 So where the enemy and their eyes also, yeah, and and they 390 00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:19.089 have methods by which they are going to disarm another d yeah, another method 391 00:26:19.130 --> 00:26:25.809 by which they're going to disarm the enemy. And and these can be they 392 00:26:25.890 --> 00:26:30.650 can be devastating. Yet another D yeah, I'm especially for a new counselor 393 00:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.960 so, if we know these methods, we name these methods, we look 394 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.759 for these methods, I think it helps us, like that Chinese general said, 395 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:42.880 to be able to fight against these methods and to win that. Yeah, 396 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:51.230 knowing these methods and then, quoting the Commie general again, knowing ourselves, 397 00:26:51.309 --> 00:26:55.190 yes, and knowing how we react. Yeah, and again it's knowing 398 00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:59.269 in the light of God's Truth and God's word, knowing our own hearts right, 399 00:26:59.349 --> 00:27:02.940 which our own hearts can be deceitful. Yeah, and so we be 400 00:27:03.099 --> 00:27:04.819 careful not to follow our own hearts and not to follow the ways of the 401 00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:10.660 world when we're dealing with these things. Yeah. And again we're encouraging you 402 00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:12.339 guys, because if you're out in an abortion center, you're going to face 403 00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:17.769 these things. And we did a podcast couple of weeks ago we talked about 404 00:27:17.769 --> 00:27:19.609 these three parables. If you haven't listened to that podcast, you got to 405 00:27:19.690 --> 00:27:22.490 listen to it, especially that last one. We talk about Swat and flies 406 00:27:23.009 --> 00:27:26.210 and this is right in line with that. Yeah, and so one of 407 00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:32.200 the first things of first deeds we have here that they are doing is distracting. 408 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.599 Yeah, they want to distract US their train, they're trained to distract 409 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.240 us. Yeah, they that's kind of what they're so at our abortion clinic, 410 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.240 just so you guys kind of understand the layout here, there are two 411 00:27:44.390 --> 00:27:47.230 pro abortion groups that are there, right, and I think they're really one 412 00:27:47.349 --> 00:27:51.630 group, but they separate themselves, you know, because of these two different 413 00:27:51.710 --> 00:27:55.509 methods of, you know, counteracting our efforts or whatever. Right. And 414 00:27:55.670 --> 00:27:59.099 one of them is the clinic escorts. So they're the ones who walk the 415 00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.819 women from the door of their car to the door of the abortion clinic with 416 00:28:02.859 --> 00:28:04.859 an umbrella to cover them and they try to play music to drown us out 417 00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:07.380 and that sort of thing. So there's an escorts and then you have the 418 00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:11.940 clinic defenders, as that's what they call themselves. So they're the people that 419 00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:15.049 are out of the road. They hold up signs that says clinic entrance this 420 00:28:15.130 --> 00:28:18.170 way to point people in, because the driveways not always clear to people. 421 00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:22.930 They try to counteract our efforts by even sometimes getting between if a car stops 422 00:28:22.970 --> 00:28:26.089 for us, getting between us and the vehicles so we can't approach that vehicle 423 00:28:26.130 --> 00:28:29.680 and give them literature and talk with them. Yeah, and so one of 424 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:33.279 their methods, though, used to distract us, to get us in conversation. 425 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.319 And I'm telling you, I've had conversations with these people and some of 426 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.509 them can be productive conversations. I've had some fairly productive conversations because for me, 427 00:28:41.710 --> 00:28:45.190 from my standpoint, I want to understand where people are coming from. 428 00:28:45.269 --> 00:28:51.990 I genuinely do. People interest me. I'm I'm interested in people and the 429 00:28:52.029 --> 00:28:55.269 way they think, and not that I want to get into their psyche or 430 00:28:55.269 --> 00:28:57.660 anything weird like that, but I like to understand the perspective people are coming 431 00:28:57.700 --> 00:29:02.740 from, how they think, how they tick, and it's interesting to me. 432 00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:06.779 So I've had many conversations with these people and some of them, again, 433 00:29:06.819 --> 00:29:10.130 to have been productive and some of them been just playing distractions. Yeah, 434 00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:14.089 where you're talking about who knows what, you're talking about everything under the 435 00:29:14.210 --> 00:29:18.809 Sun and you learn pretty quickly that their goal is been to distract me. 436 00:29:18.089 --> 00:29:22.210 Yeah, and I feel like, and I told you before we started this 437 00:29:22.289 --> 00:29:27.680 podcast, that the Lord is not happy when I have allowed myself to be 438 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:33.519 distracted in some fruitless conversation with these people and a woman walks into the door 439 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.960 that abortion clinic without being address, without being able to hear. And that 440 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.910 has happened, sadly. Yeah, where I've been engaged one of these pro 441 00:29:38.950 --> 00:29:44.109 abortion people and maybe even gotten a heated argument with him. That's another trap. 442 00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:47.349 We talked about that and that podcast about swatton flies. Yep. But 443 00:29:47.470 --> 00:29:49.470 even if I'm just in a conversation with him and a woman pulls into the 444 00:29:49.470 --> 00:29:52.619 driveway and doesn't get an opportunity to get literature, she walks into the door 445 00:29:52.660 --> 00:29:56.099 of the abortion clint doesn't get an opportunity to hear the truth and the resources 446 00:29:56.140 --> 00:30:02.099 that were offering, we have failed because God didn't call us to the abortion 447 00:30:02.180 --> 00:30:04.339 clinic to reach pro abortion people. Right, he guy able us. They 448 00:30:04.339 --> 00:30:07.650 are, they have valued like every human being. God, God loves them. 449 00:30:07.690 --> 00:30:10.930 He had saved them in an instant if they have turned to him. 450 00:30:11.490 --> 00:30:14.809 And the fact is, you know, they're getting more Gospel just being out 451 00:30:14.849 --> 00:30:17.609 there, just listening to what we're saying to the MOM's going in. They're 452 00:30:17.650 --> 00:30:19.890 hearing more Gospel. The most people in the world ever here, right, 453 00:30:19.970 --> 00:30:23.279 so they get it by US may as Moses Anyway, right, just being 454 00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:27.359 there. Yeah, but, yeah, we can't let them get us distracted 455 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:32.480 and talking about things just don't pertain because that's what they wanted to don't pertain 456 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:36.309 to while we're there. Yeah, and then miss the opportunity to address an 457 00:30:36.349 --> 00:30:38.109 abortion. Amount of mom going in there. They're not on the priority list 458 00:30:38.109 --> 00:30:41.589 as far as addressing people at the abortions. Right, right, because we're 459 00:30:41.670 --> 00:30:45.910 not speaking for those unborn at that point. Really no one is. And 460 00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:49.500 so another thing that they are trained to do is to discredit us, to 461 00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:56.140 distract us and then discredit us and to say that what we're saying our lies, 462 00:30:56.619 --> 00:31:00.619 that what we promise. We are not going to do. Yeah, 463 00:31:00.500 --> 00:31:04.329 they'll discredit us because of our background. I've heard them say you had an 464 00:31:04.369 --> 00:31:07.490 abortion, what gives you the right to speak? Yeah, and it takes 465 00:31:07.529 --> 00:31:11.890 various forms, but it happens all the time. They are busy trying to 466 00:31:14.690 --> 00:31:18.720 have the MOM's question whether they should trust us or not, and it does 467 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.559 spoil down to the example of this is, yes, it does absolutely bulls 468 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.720 down to the issue of trust. Yeah, an example of this is they 469 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.079 used to have signs, which I haven't seen him hold these suns in a 470 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.869 while. But they still say this, that the RV, the Mobultra son, 471 00:31:32.910 --> 00:31:36.549 you know we have there is a fake fake our RV, fake clinic, 472 00:31:36.750 --> 00:31:38.869 face ship, fake pictures. That, yes, still floors me. 473 00:31:40.109 --> 00:31:41.029 Yeah, the Oh, the one guy. I think I shared this on 474 00:31:41.109 --> 00:31:45.430 a previous podcast. The Guy said we show them squirrel feed us. Yeah, 475 00:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.539 how that would serve US I don't know, but now idea. But 476 00:31:48.700 --> 00:31:51.380 Hey. And so, yeah, they want to discredit what we're saying. 477 00:31:51.380 --> 00:31:53.700 They want to discredit us even as human beings. You know, they've personally 478 00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:56.940 attacked you, they've personally attacked me. Yeah, and you know, even 479 00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:01.210 like my story being a father at seventeen years old and just how God use 480 00:32:01.289 --> 00:32:05.730 that situation to turn my life around. They try to discredit me on that, 481 00:32:06.009 --> 00:32:08.730 you know, and just use all kinds of just wicked language to try 482 00:32:08.730 --> 00:32:12.890 to describe my past and all of that. Yeah, the goal is again 483 00:32:12.970 --> 00:32:15.359 to discredit exactly the things I read that Mom's have written to me. I 484 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.119 read it right from the text from the MOM and they say you're lying. 485 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.519 Yeah, and you know there is nothing you can do do when that happens, 486 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.599 when you're being discredited like that, it is kind of my word against 487 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.470 your word, except just keep speaking truth. Yes, keep speaking to one 488 00:32:30.509 --> 00:32:35.069 of the things that I do. If and again, you cannot let these 489 00:32:35.109 --> 00:32:37.269 people be a focus. Right, you cannot be. You. We were 490 00:32:37.269 --> 00:32:43.069 able we have the awesome gift of being able to use amplified sound here in 491 00:32:43.190 --> 00:32:45.859 Charlotte. We have a private property with a partner ministry love life, next 492 00:32:45.859 --> 00:32:49.380 door to the abortion center. We can set up there. We can have 493 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:51.700 it pretty loud. Yeah, and so it was a gift for us to 494 00:32:51.740 --> 00:32:55.420 be able to broadcast what we're saying there. And there are times today I'll 495 00:32:55.420 --> 00:33:00.130 let this pro abortion agenda be a focus and I don't. I didn't let 496 00:33:00.130 --> 00:33:04.529 it be an unnecessary focus. It was good and I spring boarded off of 497 00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:07.450 that into you know, are you going to trust the pro abortion agenda? 498 00:33:07.450 --> 00:33:08.970 Are you going to trust the Lord? Right? So it was all good. 499 00:33:09.329 --> 00:33:14.200 Yeah, but one of the things that I do in order to counteract 500 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.039 that discredit is I just tell the truth, right, you know, I 501 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:21.480 just I just tell the truth. I don't embellish the truth. Yeah, 502 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.000 I don't try to make it sound more than it is. Yeah, and 503 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:28.029 then I encourage people who are listening and I'll say this often, don't take 504 00:33:28.069 --> 00:33:30.430 my word for it. So, so today, for example, I was 505 00:33:30.509 --> 00:33:34.430 talking about the abortionist right, Dr Ron Vermonti, and his track record as 506 00:33:34.470 --> 00:33:37.630 being arrested for rape and his racist comments that he made and stuff like that 507 00:33:37.910 --> 00:33:40.460 with your public. Yeah, they're all you can find them going youtube and 508 00:33:40.539 --> 00:33:44.700 find it, and I say, don't take my word for it, please, 509 00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:46.140 don't take my word for it. Look on your smartphone, right, 510 00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:49.940 and that's one of the ways that you can counteract that. We're talking about 511 00:33:49.940 --> 00:33:52.259 out when does a baby's heart begin to beat? Don't take my word for 512 00:33:52.339 --> 00:33:54.769 it, look on your small you can look it up yourself. Yeah, 513 00:33:54.809 --> 00:33:59.529 I mean this day and age, you can't get away with embellishing on the 514 00:33:59.569 --> 00:34:01.769 truth without people checking up on it, right, and so we encourage people, 515 00:34:01.849 --> 00:34:05.250 yeah, to check up on it. With what I'm saying. Is 516 00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.450 a lie, then show me, and that's one of the things I will 517 00:34:07.450 --> 00:34:09.960 do if I do exchange with these pro abortion people, and I do from 518 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.800 time to time, right when it's appropriate, is that you know, they 519 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.519 cause liars. They say you tell people lies. And I ask him, 520 00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:21.719 please share with me one lie, one line that I tell people or in 521 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.070 our brochure. They say your brochure is a bunch of lies and propaganda, 522 00:34:24.510 --> 00:34:28.230 and I'll hand them one of our brochures and say, please, just circle 523 00:34:28.510 --> 00:34:30.309 what in this brochure. Is A lot. Please circle it for me and 524 00:34:30.389 --> 00:34:34.670 because genuinely I do want to know. I don't want to be given people 525 00:34:34.710 --> 00:34:37.590 misinformation. If we're to telling a lie, we want to know. Yeah, 526 00:34:37.630 --> 00:34:39.340 prays, take the brochures, circle whatever in there is a lot, 527 00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:43.739 and I will do whatever I can to correct it. Did they ever circle? 528 00:34:43.820 --> 00:34:46.219 And think? Of course not now. No. Yeah. Well, 529 00:34:46.300 --> 00:34:54.130 today was great because you played over the microphone the the audio of Doctor Vermonti 530 00:34:55.130 --> 00:35:02.530 saying that he didn't want to support those ugly black babies on unwelfare and and 531 00:35:02.690 --> 00:35:08.000 that did. This was a group of young new pro abortion people and they 532 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:13.760 were silenced by that, because they're just when you play the truth and it's 533 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.320 audible, they're just as really nothing you can say. It's awful, that 534 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.150 what he did and said. So, yeah, so they want to distract, 535 00:35:22.190 --> 00:35:25.349 they want to discredit, they wanted demoralize. Yeah, they would. 536 00:35:25.349 --> 00:35:29.469 They want and and you know, they can be effective, especially with the 537 00:35:29.550 --> 00:35:31.949 new volunteers. I have had new volunteers start crying because they are. So 538 00:35:32.349 --> 00:35:37.699 they did a lot of name calling. Yeah, a lot of bad, 539 00:35:37.820 --> 00:35:42.500 bad language, and a lot of personal attacks on your dress, on your 540 00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:47.820 age, on your looks. It's just it can be really demoralizing. Yeah, 541 00:35:47.860 --> 00:35:51.969 you know, with without them, even in the equation. HMM, 542 00:35:52.289 --> 00:35:54.090 if you've ever been to an abortion center, you'll know exactly what I'm talking 543 00:35:54.090 --> 00:35:58.809 about. You're in a spiritual battle and you can feel the spiritual warfare right 544 00:35:58.969 --> 00:36:01.289 and again. That's without these people. Even in the equation. You're add 545 00:36:01.289 --> 00:36:05.719 an abortion center, you can feel the demonic presence and all of that, 546 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.159 and so it's already a battle. It's already difficult when you add these people 547 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.039 to the equation. Yeah, and then they're saying some of the I mean 548 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.000 really, it makes me laugh, but I can understand how people who are 549 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:22.909 new can get demoralized and get deflated, because it is like personal attacks. 550 00:36:22.909 --> 00:36:24.989 Yeah, you know, they were making fun of my shoes today. I 551 00:36:25.070 --> 00:36:29.710 think they were making fun of they called you ikey Vicki. Ikey Vicky is 552 00:36:29.869 --> 00:36:32.380 the new yeah, all over facebook. And the thing is I laughed too, 553 00:36:32.579 --> 00:36:37.019 but I remember when I was new, I didn't laugh, but you 554 00:36:37.099 --> 00:36:42.780 learned to. I think you learn to realize this is it's not really me 555 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.900 of that that they're battling. Ma's one of the things that we say in 556 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:49.050 our train. Yeah, when you've got people, you know, angry people 557 00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:52.489 who are there for an abortion or pro abortion people, whoever, you got 558 00:36:52.650 --> 00:36:55.130 security guards, whatever, don't take it personal, right, because it's not 559 00:36:55.289 --> 00:37:00.650 personal. It's not about you necessarily. They just wanted to moralize you and 560 00:37:00.730 --> 00:37:04.280 it's really they hate what you stand for. Yeah, in their minds and 561 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.480 their minds, you stand for everything that's wrong with the world. You know, 562 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.719 you're like a little representative of Donald Trump. You know, that's the 563 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:15.389 way they see and of course that's ridiculous, right, but that's the way 564 00:37:15.429 --> 00:37:19.389 they see it, and so they're attacking that. And really what they're attacking 565 00:37:19.469 --> 00:37:22.750 as a straw man, right, it's at caricature they've built up in their 566 00:37:22.789 --> 00:37:24.949 own minds. It's just not true, right. And the ultimately they're attacking 567 00:37:25.070 --> 00:37:30.420 God and his message because they're in so much rebellion against God. So the 568 00:37:30.500 --> 00:37:34.619 next day, is that their their goal is to discourage yeah, because if 569 00:37:34.699 --> 00:37:38.139 they think if they just attack enough, that they will discourage us him and 570 00:37:38.260 --> 00:37:44.329 we won't come out there they've been proven wrong, that we've been out there. 571 00:37:44.449 --> 00:37:46.570 How long? A Long, long time, you know, and just 572 00:37:46.650 --> 00:37:52.090 about every hour that the abortion centers opened. So and then all the the 573 00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:55.889 last D is to defend their own lives and choices. You touched on that 574 00:37:55.969 --> 00:38:00.239 earlier. Yeah, that they're trying to defend and rationalize. Right, trying 575 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.960 to rationalize, trying to justify and trying to make themselves feel better about their 576 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.559 sinful lifestyle, whatever. You know. But it is ultimately bulls down to 577 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:14.030 selfjustification. Yeah. Yeah, and again you can understand because their loss and 578 00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:17.710 they're not just defied through the only means of justification they're there actually is, 579 00:38:17.789 --> 00:38:22.190 which is Jesus Christ and his death barrel and resurrection. They've not been justified, 580 00:38:22.309 --> 00:38:27.500 so they have to justify themselves. Yeah, and again it's understandable if 581 00:38:27.619 --> 00:38:30.460 we can see from their perspective. And at one time you are not a 582 00:38:30.500 --> 00:38:35.980 Christian. One time you were not born again, you were not justified by 583 00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:38.340 faith in Jesus Christ. So you were in their shoes at one time. 584 00:38:38.420 --> 00:38:43.050 So we have a unique thing going on here, is that we have the 585 00:38:43.130 --> 00:38:45.130 ability to see from both perspectives. Yeah, now, I don't mean that 586 00:38:45.210 --> 00:38:49.409 we can see all together from their perspective and all of that, because they 587 00:38:49.530 --> 00:38:53.650 their different life experiences and stuff, but they're really two perspective in the Bible. 588 00:38:53.730 --> 00:38:59.440 There's this perspective of the lost the world and then there's their perspective of 589 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.880 those who were born again. Right, and we can see from those two 590 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.320 perspectives because one time we're lost. Well, they're in darkness and we're in 591 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.719 light. Yeah, for one thing, and darkness. You don't see in 592 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.590 darkness, but you do. You do see in light. And and I 593 00:39:10.710 --> 00:39:15.909 think this goes back to that very first point that we made about know your 594 00:39:15.949 --> 00:39:19.469 enemy. No, not only your enemy, but know yourself. The negative 595 00:39:19.710 --> 00:39:22.989 of our self is that our heart is deceitful above all else. Who can 596 00:39:22.030 --> 00:39:27.820 know it? But the positive is we have the Holy Spirit in dwelled yeah, 597 00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:31.900 within in every believer and dwelling every believer, and that Holy Spirit is 598 00:39:32.019 --> 00:39:37.940 what gives us that light, that knowledge and Truth and righteousness. The heart 599 00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:40.849 is deceitful above all things and desperately, desperately wicked. Who can know it? 600 00:39:42.409 --> 00:39:45.369 But the board right. When you're a Christian, when you're lost, 601 00:39:45.489 --> 00:39:47.050 you don't know it. You're blind. When you're a Christian, you can 602 00:39:47.130 --> 00:39:50.969 know what your heart is like because you have the Holy Spirit, you've got 603 00:39:51.090 --> 00:39:54.639 my Lord by his spirit in you and you can look and see, here's 604 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:59.159 where I'm off and here's where, here's where you know I'm good. Yeah, 605 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.159 people are lost. Can't see that, right. So we have again, 606 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.039 we had that's understand. We have that. Yeah. So that that, 607 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.030 I hope, helps, just knowing these are their goals and the methods 608 00:40:07.070 --> 00:40:10.429 that they use. And and now once you know them, hopefully you can 609 00:40:10.510 --> 00:40:15.110 be aware of them and if you're aware you are able to move beyond them. 610 00:40:15.190 --> 00:40:17.630 And we so we found a psalm. Yeah, that that we just 611 00:40:19.550 --> 00:40:22.900 we both read it and thought, wow, this, this just really describes 612 00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:27.980 in our eyes what we see from the pro abortion crowd. Yes, I 613 00:40:28.099 --> 00:40:30.139 do. You have that, that Psalm? I do. Psalmsen for three 614 00:40:30.139 --> 00:40:34.219 level or through revene. Know, again, this this biblical language. The 615 00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:36.530 Bible say they have problems. We're not the same thing, as I said, 616 00:40:36.690 --> 00:40:39.250 but then you got problems with with God's word. But again, when 617 00:40:39.289 --> 00:40:44.050 we're talking about enemies, we're talking about wicked people. We're not using those 618 00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:46.050 terms just to demean them and say they don't have value. They do. 619 00:40:46.449 --> 00:40:50.719 We were wicked at one time. Right God's mercy was shot on us. 620 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.119 They're wicked. God's mercy will shot on them if they'll repent and put their 621 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.960 trust in him. Yeah, but here's what the Bible says. The wicked 622 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.199 in his proud countenance does not seek God. God is in none of his 623 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:06.309 thoughts. His ways are always prospering. Your judgments are far above out of 624 00:41:06.429 --> 00:41:09.349 his sight. As for all his enemies, he sneers at them. He 625 00:41:09.389 --> 00:41:13.150 has said in his heart I shall not be moved, I shall never be 626 00:41:13.349 --> 00:41:16.989 an adversity. His mouth is full of cursing into sit and oppression. Under 627 00:41:17.030 --> 00:41:22.019 his tongue is trouble in iniquity. He sits in the lurking places of the 628 00:41:22.059 --> 00:41:24.420 villages, in the secret places, he murders the innocent. His eyes are 629 00:41:24.460 --> 00:41:29.539 secretly fixed on the helpless. He lies in weight, secretly as a lion 630 00:41:29.619 --> 00:41:32.690 in his den. He lies in wait to catch the poor. He catches 631 00:41:32.769 --> 00:41:37.250 the poor when he draws him into his net. So he crouches and he 632 00:41:37.409 --> 00:41:40.489 lies low that the helpless may fall by his strength. He is said in 633 00:41:40.570 --> 00:41:45.289 his heart God has forgotten. He hides his face. He will never see 634 00:41:45.530 --> 00:41:49.599 and we know he will see it. But I did think that they they 635 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.960 have told us, the pro abortion group, that they don't believe in God 636 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:57.559 and they don't care. Yeah, but I actually did today on the microphone. 637 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.039 It did a show of hands and it was interesting. Yeah, I 638 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.710 did that because you know, you've got people in the abortion center parking lot 639 00:42:04.750 --> 00:42:07.030 who are waiting on their appointments, right, and many of those people listen. 640 00:42:07.150 --> 00:42:10.989 Statistically, yeah, like it or Lumpet, statistically, the vast majority 641 00:42:12.070 --> 00:42:14.869 of people, especially here in the south, that are going to an abortion 642 00:42:14.909 --> 00:42:17.420 center, would claim to be Christians. Yes, at least have some kind 643 00:42:17.420 --> 00:42:21.539 of faith. So these are people who have some kind of faith who would 644 00:42:21.739 --> 00:42:24.099 likely be offended if you told them you didn't believe there was a god. 645 00:42:24.500 --> 00:42:28.139 Right. They would probably defend, and I've talked to a lot of them 646 00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:30.289 there and I know they would. They would defend the idea that there's a 647 00:42:30.329 --> 00:42:34.409 god and they would think you're stupid if you don't believe in God. Right. 648 00:42:34.610 --> 00:42:36.769 So what I did is I kind of use that knowledge that I have 649 00:42:36.889 --> 00:42:38.650 about that and the knowledge that I have about these pro abortion people and I 650 00:42:38.730 --> 00:42:42.690 wanted to show a contrast. And it has to do with trust, it 651 00:42:42.809 --> 00:42:45.480 has to do with. I want them to trust what I'm saying is true, 652 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.440 not just because it's me, but because it's coming from God's word and 653 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:51.440 and they can check these facts out, because our goal is if they trust 654 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.199 us, they will choose life. Yeah, yeah, for their child. 655 00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.960 I wanted them to see a contrast, right, and so I said I 656 00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.789 want to show of hands of all you were standing out here. Who is 657 00:43:00.829 --> 00:43:05.349 an atheist and all of the pro abortion poll raise their hands, all of 658 00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:07.150 them. And I springboard off that and said many of you sitting in the 659 00:43:07.150 --> 00:43:12.550 sparking lot waiting for your abortion, believe in God. Please see that the 660 00:43:12.630 --> 00:43:15.780 people that drove that ushered you into the drive with it, try to block 661 00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:17.739 you from hearing what we were saying, that try to stop you from getting 662 00:43:17.739 --> 00:43:22.780 our literature, that these people are gutless individuals, they don't know God, 663 00:43:22.820 --> 00:43:25.980 and the God that many of you claim to belong to they hate and they 664 00:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.210 hate leaving the idea of him. So I was doing a little contrast there, 665 00:43:30.250 --> 00:43:31.969 and I think it can be helpful to do that again, not letting 666 00:43:31.969 --> 00:43:35.650 these people be the focus, because if we let them be the focus, 667 00:43:36.130 --> 00:43:39.369 then we've basically fallen into the trap exactly and so that that goes into the 668 00:43:39.489 --> 00:43:43.840 next main point. How should we respond? And that is a hard question. 669 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.719 I think you've touched on it now. You did take some time while 670 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.960 you are on the microphone. We had already spoken to all the women who 671 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.909 were pretty much were already inside the building and so we knew that they had 672 00:43:55.030 --> 00:44:00.510 heard us said as they went in and we had a fairly decent sized team 673 00:44:00.550 --> 00:44:06.030 out there stretched across the sidewalk. But he made a choice at that point. 674 00:44:06.030 --> 00:44:08.670 I'm going to speak really to actually kind of to those pro abortion people. 675 00:44:08.710 --> 00:44:14.820 But you also did connect that with with what the mothers needed to hear 676 00:44:14.860 --> 00:44:17.179 who are inside the building. But we deal with that as we're out on 677 00:44:17.219 --> 00:44:21.940 the sidewalk. We know there are our enemy, their God's enemy, and 678 00:44:21.980 --> 00:44:27.969 they need the gospel. But how should we respond? Should we be spending 679 00:44:28.210 --> 00:44:34.369 our time speaking to them or and sharing the Gospel with them, ignoring them? 680 00:44:35.329 --> 00:44:37.369 What? What should we what should we do? Well, I think 681 00:44:37.449 --> 00:44:42.079 in line again with that podcast that we did a couple of weeks ago with 682 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.639 the three parables in that final parable about getting distracted and Swat and flies. 683 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.920 You know, that's that's wisdom from the Lord that we can't let these people 684 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.150 be our focus, right, because you know, if you're out there, 685 00:44:53.190 --> 00:44:55.909 especially when there's kind of like a lull in the day and there's not a 686 00:44:55.989 --> 00:45:00.429 lot of ability to interact with abortion minded women going into the abortion center, 687 00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:04.110 and these people are allowed and their belligerent, you can just because you're bored 688 00:45:04.510 --> 00:45:07.380 and you don't have anybody to talk to. Yeah, you can start getting 689 00:45:07.380 --> 00:45:10.820 in a conversation with them and you'll find like maybe traffic picks up at the 690 00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:15.340 abortion center and you're focus in a conversation with them and you get distracted from 691 00:45:15.340 --> 00:45:17.099 why you're really there. Yeah, so, you know, understand, if 692 00:45:17.139 --> 00:45:22.050 you're there in front of the abortion center and there's just you and some pro 693 00:45:22.090 --> 00:45:23.449 abortion people, you feel like, I don't have anybody to talk to, 694 00:45:23.489 --> 00:45:25.969 you as well talk to this person, right. Well, you do have 695 00:45:27.090 --> 00:45:29.289 someone to talk to. You. You can talk to the Lord. Yeah, 696 00:45:29.289 --> 00:45:30.690 you can be in prayer. You can be praying for those MOMS that 697 00:45:30.730 --> 00:45:34.130 are in that abortion center. You can be praying for those that are sitting 698 00:45:34.130 --> 00:45:37.559 in their cars. You you just can't let yourself get distracted with these people. 699 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.599 Right. That does not mean, however, at least in my experience, 700 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:45.400 that you just ignore them all together. They can be appropriate times to 701 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.000 talk to them. They need the Gospel. And if there's you know, 702 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.389 I'll tell you just from experience, though, a little bit of a word 703 00:45:52.429 --> 00:45:53.750 of caution, if they're in a group together, if there's like three or 704 00:45:53.789 --> 00:45:59.030 four of them, you're just better off not engaging right. But if you 705 00:45:59.110 --> 00:46:02.030 can have a oneone conversation with one, it's like that whole group. Think 706 00:46:02.110 --> 00:46:07.019 dynamic this'. There you're not going to make any headway. I can almost 707 00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:09.059 tell you a hundred percent of the time. You're not going to make headway 708 00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:12.579 if you talk with them in a group. But if you have a oneone 709 00:46:12.619 --> 00:46:15.420 conversation, there's an opportunity for that and such a way that you're not going 710 00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:17.849 to get distracted from why you're there, to reach those women, to say 711 00:46:17.889 --> 00:46:22.570 babies and preach the Gospel, then yeah, you can have a one on 712 00:46:22.929 --> 00:46:25.210 one conversation with yeah, yeah, and and that tension I think about, 713 00:46:25.250 --> 00:46:30.409 do I talk to I ignore, is is again a biblical tension. The 714 00:46:30.530 --> 00:46:34.480 Bible clearly tells that we are called to warn those who are wicked, and 715 00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.559 I and on a wicked path. A great example of that is Zekiel, 716 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.000 thirty three, yeah, verse will just do. Eight, if I say 717 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:45.079 to the wicked, Oh wicked one, you shall surely die and you do 718 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.469 not speak, if you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from 719 00:46:47.469 --> 00:46:51.469 his way, that we could person shall die in his iniquity, but his 720 00:46:51.550 --> 00:46:53.750 blood will be required at your hand. So we are we are called to 721 00:46:53.789 --> 00:46:59.389 account if we don't warn. But on the other hand, the Bible warrants 722 00:46:59.389 --> 00:47:01.900 us against fruitless discussion. Yeah, as in Matthew Seven. Six, don't 723 00:47:01.900 --> 00:47:07.300 give to dogs what is wholly do not throw your pearls before pigs less they 724 00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:13.139 trample them underfoot. So so that tension is there. But but I think 725 00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:15.809 it's so important. In our previous podcast really talked about it. What is 726 00:47:15.929 --> 00:47:19.690 the main thing? Keep the main thing, the main thing, the main 727 00:47:19.769 --> 00:47:23.769 thing for our ministry is speaking for the unborn, and really that should be 728 00:47:23.809 --> 00:47:29.050 our focus and and that's how we overcome all of those do well, you 729 00:47:29.130 --> 00:47:32.000 know in that that Matthew Chapter Seven. But yeah, it actually goes on 730 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:37.159 to say not only will they trample the pearls underfoot, but it says they'll 731 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.320 turn around and tear you up to right. So you have to be careful. 732 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.079 If you can engage with a group of these pro abortion people. Yeah, 733 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.670 you're going to find that they're not just going to trample what you're saying 734 00:47:45.750 --> 00:47:50.349 underfoot. When you're sharing with them about the love of God and Jesus and 735 00:47:50.750 --> 00:47:52.949 His death, Bury on resurrection and all of that, you're sharing about abortion 736 00:47:53.030 --> 00:47:55.949 and the violence that abortion commits. Not only are they going to take those 737 00:47:55.989 --> 00:48:00.139 truths and just cast them underfoot, right, but a lot of times they're 738 00:48:00.139 --> 00:48:02.980 going to come around tear you up right right. You're going to suffer loss 739 00:48:04.139 --> 00:48:07.940 yourself. So God will give us wisdom sometimes just to ignore them, and 740 00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:10.380 that is my primary method of right these people right, and that is what 741 00:48:10.539 --> 00:48:15.010 we train. Aren't most of our most of our new, especially new counselors, 742 00:48:15.010 --> 00:48:17.969 but really all our counselors in in general. We say it is truly 743 00:48:19.090 --> 00:48:22.289 best to ignore them. Yeah, I know we've gone on a long time. 744 00:48:22.369 --> 00:48:27.639 There's one last one. Can we coexist and if so, how? 745 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.440 And so I'm going to read a proverbs and maybe maybe you can talk about 746 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.480 that in the light of that question. And okay, so proverb sixteen seven, 747 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.199 I think, paints a beautiful picture of harmony which finally develops between the 748 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:43.750 enemies of God, which ultimately I mean we do want harmony. We don't 749 00:48:43.869 --> 00:48:50.550 want to ever compromise with evil, but we also don't want to destroy harmony. 750 00:48:50.630 --> 00:48:53.110 That he's a lost constant contention. We're supposed to be peace people of 751 00:48:53.190 --> 00:48:58.579 peace. So so that proverb says when a man's ways please the Lord, 752 00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:02.380 he makes even his enemies to be at peace. Yeah, with him. 753 00:49:02.420 --> 00:49:07.260 I think there's a couple really important like yeah, absolutely, we not just 754 00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:12.929 scare a personal story. You remember, some years back one of the pro 755 00:49:12.969 --> 00:49:16.929 abortion ladies who was really vile and really difficult. Yeah, I don't say 756 00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:20.130 her name, but I think they even kicked her out, didn't they? 757 00:49:20.170 --> 00:49:23.130 Yeah, the abortion ended up even for that. Let me tell you, 758 00:49:23.250 --> 00:49:27.079 she was a formidable foe. She was. She was a real hinder. 759 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.480 Yeah, and there was a point, though, however, as I was 760 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.719 praying for her and praying, you know what the Lord would have me to 761 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:36.840 do? Shout out. Should I just ignore her completely? Should continue to 762 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.469 speak truth to her? And it's like the Lord said, well, buy 763 00:49:39.510 --> 00:49:43.989 or something. Yeah, Byre and what I ended up now, listen, 764 00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:46.789 guys, I don't I don't deal with starbucks. It's a wicked company, 765 00:49:46.989 --> 00:49:51.750 right, but I did overhear her talking to one of her pro abortion friends 766 00:49:51.750 --> 00:49:54.539 about how she really liked something from starbucks. Yeah, and I said, 767 00:49:54.619 --> 00:49:59.460 Lord, is it okay that I compromise this standard to bless this woman and 768 00:50:00.019 --> 00:50:04.059 just see what God does? Okay, so I did. Actually was driving 769 00:50:04.099 --> 00:50:07.130 the mobile ultra sound unit that Saturday and I stopped by starbucks on the way 770 00:50:07.130 --> 00:50:12.250 to the abortion clinic, got her a card, Gift Card, yeah, 771 00:50:12.570 --> 00:50:15.369 and gave it to her. Uh Huh. And this woman who's normally vile 772 00:50:15.570 --> 00:50:20.769 and and really weak in person, yeah, gives me a Hugo, really 773 00:50:20.809 --> 00:50:22.880 uncomfortables with you. Yeah, and this is this is some years ago. 774 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:28.639 But okay, okay, he makes even his enemies to be at peace, 775 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.800 and there was a sense of peace after that. Right now, ultimately, 776 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.670 sadly, she kind of went back into her old ways, but there was 777 00:50:36.750 --> 00:50:40.630 a bridge, yeah, that was kind of stretched across that chasm for that 778 00:50:40.789 --> 00:50:45.429 moment. For that moment, for actually a couple of weeks right now, 779 00:50:45.590 --> 00:50:47.349 I did not in any way. They were there. Were there was no 780 00:50:47.510 --> 00:50:52.260 way she can miss. You construe that as me being okay with her stance, 781 00:50:52.420 --> 00:50:54.619 right, because she knew where US did right, and I did not 782 00:50:54.699 --> 00:51:00.659 compromise truth. You know what, sometimes the way to somebody's heart is through 783 00:51:00.699 --> 00:51:06.090 their stomach, right. And I blessed her and it brought peace through an 784 00:51:06.210 --> 00:51:08.730 active kindness, through an active kind the one that I remembered that you did. 785 00:51:09.250 --> 00:51:12.969 I think it was you that spearhead. Spearheaded that. There was a 786 00:51:13.690 --> 00:51:20.079 another very, very vile pro abortion person who I think was kicked out from 787 00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.440 the group. Yeah, and and she wanted to go home and home was 788 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.320 far away, like across the country, and she didn't have the funds to 789 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.400 get home and we raised the Fund, caught win of a Gofund me that 790 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.829 she had out there somehow. I don't know the Lord. I guess Yes 791 00:51:34.150 --> 00:51:37.909 to that. But yeah, it was pro choice or a pro choice prolife 792 00:51:37.989 --> 00:51:40.949 people that rallied around that and we said, and I guess it was kind 793 00:51:40.989 --> 00:51:44.030 of like a win win, right, is they're going to give a lot 794 00:51:44.070 --> 00:51:45.710 of money. Is probably was possible, but it was out of kindness. 795 00:51:45.750 --> 00:51:50.860 You wasn't. That wasn't the motivation. Motivation was to be a kind act 796 00:51:51.019 --> 00:51:54.019 towards an enemy and who knows where it may lead because ultimately, again, 797 00:51:54.300 --> 00:51:58.099 our goal is that she would turn to the Lord and if she sees the 798 00:51:58.179 --> 00:52:00.489 kindness of his people, maybe she will. Yeah. Well, one of 799 00:52:00.530 --> 00:52:04.610 the comments in that go fund me, you know you can put comments there, 800 00:52:05.570 --> 00:52:07.730 or is like on her facebook or something, was like wow, I 801 00:52:07.809 --> 00:52:10.690 can't believe this. She was she was taken aback right by the fact that 802 00:52:10.769 --> 00:52:17.320 these prolifers rallied around and gave money to help her to get with her family 803 00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:21.119 where she wanted to go. So, you know, the Lord uses that 804 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.239 kind of stuff and the Lord can give you wisdom and the Lord can give 805 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:28.880 you grace to reach these people, to bridge that divide again without getting distracted, 806 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:30.710 without getting off course, because that's what they want to do. Those 807 00:52:30.789 --> 00:52:35.469 d's that we talked about. Yeah, they want to discourage distract this. 808 00:52:36.030 --> 00:52:43.070 But what's what's good? That demoralized defend their their point of view. And 809 00:52:43.349 --> 00:52:45.820 you know, we've talked about all of these negatives of them being out there, 810 00:52:45.900 --> 00:52:50.059 but I think we always love to end on a positive and, and 811 00:52:50.179 --> 00:52:52.500 this is something that I discovered in all of my years out there, and 812 00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:58.420 maybe you've discovered it as well, is that I I know longer necessarily look 813 00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:07.530 at them as opposition but kind of almost as an opportunity and opportunity to to 814 00:53:07.690 --> 00:53:10.449 first of all, learn to focus more clearly on God and and on our 815 00:53:10.489 --> 00:53:15.760 mission. And when they raise a point, sometimes they honestly do raise good 816 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:20.400 points, and when they do too and I don't know the answer, I 817 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.239 don't know how to defend my faith in that particular instance, to go home 818 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:30.750 and learn more. That has happened countless times and it has never harmed my 819 00:53:30.869 --> 00:53:35.630 faith. That has always increased my faith and I think that that principle is 820 00:53:35.750 --> 00:53:37.630 in count it all joy when you encounter trials. YEA, in the book 821 00:53:37.630 --> 00:53:43.380 of James, because because that brings us to a greater understanding of God and 822 00:53:43.659 --> 00:53:47.420 and closer to God. And so I think that that's a good perspective for 823 00:53:49.420 --> 00:53:52.940 it took me many years to gain that, but I think it's useful for 824 00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:57.289 other counselors probably as well. or it could be that if you look at 825 00:53:57.369 --> 00:54:00.610 what you're facing, when you're facing these people making fun of you, trying 826 00:54:00.610 --> 00:54:02.969 to distract you, whatever look at it. You look at it as an 827 00:54:04.050 --> 00:54:08.449 opportunity that God has set before you to to show the peace of God and 828 00:54:08.610 --> 00:54:14.320 to show your focus on what God has called you and to remain faithful to 829 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:20.000 that. Yeah, absolutely absolutely well with that. Will wrap this thing up. 830 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.800 Appreciate you guys listening. We hope this podcast was a blessing to you. 831 00:54:23.389 --> 00:54:28.429 We hope that you again will leave a review to help counteract some of 832 00:54:28.469 --> 00:54:31.349 the pro abortion trolls that have put their reviews out on our podcast. 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