Dealing With Abortion Advocates, Biblically

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:09.990Lord, I am you. Welcometo the Gospel Center prayer life podcast.300:00:10.109 --> 00:00:13.789In this episode we're going to talkabout how to deal with pro abortion advocates,400:00:14.029 --> 00:00:16.829especially at the abortion centers, and, as always, will look at500:00:16.870 --> 00:00:20.269this from a biblical as well asa practical perspectives. To stay tuned.600:00:23.699 --> 00:00:36.090I felt show Passi touch your use. Welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life700:00:36.170 --> 00:00:40.729podcast. We're going to come covera subject today that we hope will be800:00:40.810 --> 00:00:45.289helpful and, as often times,we're going to come from the perspective that900:00:45.450 --> 00:00:49.049we are involved in on a regularbasis, which is sidewalk counseling and being1000:00:49.090 --> 00:00:52.840out in front of abortion centers,and this is a common issue that people1100:00:52.880 --> 00:00:56.320are going to face. You couldface this in other contexts, face this1200:00:56.439 --> 00:01:00.799on social media, and it's basicallydealing with people who oppose you, and1300:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.870in our context it's pro abortion advocatesright and how to handle that. You1400:01:03.989 --> 00:01:08.510know, on the sidewalk we havethose folks that come that they call themselves1500:01:08.549 --> 00:01:12.950clinic defenders and they come out todefend a woman's right to choose, and1600:01:14.030 --> 00:01:17.989I don't like to give them awhole lot of airtime. But I did1700:01:18.109 --> 00:01:21.780think it was important for us totalk about this dynamic because again, it's1800:01:21.819 --> 00:01:25.700a dynamic that people deal with asidewalk counselors in front of abortion centers to1900:01:25.739 --> 00:01:27.579dynamic we deal with on social mediatoo, is're trying to share the2000:01:27.620 --> 00:01:30.459truth about what abortion is. AndYeah, you know, we get our2100:01:30.579 --> 00:01:36.090facebook page on cities for Life Charlotterolled by these pro abortion people all the2200:01:36.170 --> 00:01:38.689time, even our personal pages someyeah, and what kind of started this2300:01:38.849 --> 00:01:44.730off is that some of the probortionpeople have actually gotten on the reviews in2400:01:44.810 --> 00:01:49.879this podcast and they've actually kind ofrolled that and put some some pretty nasty2500:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.200things out there. And so Iwould encourage you guys who are listening to2600:01:53.079 --> 00:01:57.640please, if you like this podcast, go on Apple, itunes and I'm2700:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.829not sure if the other podcast serviceslet you do this, let you leave2800:02:00.870 --> 00:02:06.150reviews, but apple does and thosereviews do matter. At one time we2900:02:06.230 --> 00:02:09.229had five stars and some good reviews. Now we got four stars because these3000:02:09.270 --> 00:02:14.030pro abortion people have gone on there. Not a big deal tonight, but3100:02:14.069 --> 00:02:15.580I want to encourage you guys,if you like this podcast, to go3200:02:15.819 --> 00:02:21.300on and leave a comment. Letus know how you you know what you3300:02:21.419 --> 00:02:25.020like about this. If you havesuggestions that we often encourage you guys to3400:02:25.060 --> 00:02:28.979do, certainly can reach out tome. We'd love to cover some subjects3500:02:28.979 --> 00:02:34.530that maybe you guys have not heardUS cover and give you our unique perspective3600:02:34.650 --> 00:02:38.689and that sort of thing. Butyeah, so this was spurred on by3700:02:38.610 --> 00:02:44.520the fact that these probortion people havetrold our podcast reviews and even our facebook3800:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.560pages and we thought that let's justspringboard off of that. Yeah, we're.3900:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.360I mean it's not like we haven'tdealt with this stuff before. So4000:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.599it's not it's not like we're takingpersonal offense. We understand these people have4100:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.229issues, we understand these people needthe Lord, but we thought it would4200:02:59.229 --> 00:03:01.830be good at opportunity just to springboardoff of this and share some wisdom with4300:03:01.949 --> 00:03:05.629you guys right from the word andfrom marks. Brace it. Yeah,4400:03:05.669 --> 00:03:07.509face it absolutely the sidewalk. Ifyou're any kind in any kind of pro4500:03:07.629 --> 00:03:10.909life at endeavor, even if it'sjust posting things on facebook as a pro4600:03:12.030 --> 00:03:15.060life presence, you are going toface opposition. Yeah, and and I4700:03:15.180 --> 00:03:19.419think that there are ways that wecan deal effectively with them and ways that4800:03:19.460 --> 00:03:23.979are maybe not as effective and maybeeven damage chain to us as people in4900:03:24.020 --> 00:03:29.289the pro life movement. So oneof the things I thought of when when5000:03:29.330 --> 00:03:35.810we first started talking about this subjectwas the famous quote know thy enemy,5100:03:36.569 --> 00:03:39.930and I and I looked up.I know I actually didn't know who said5200:03:39.930 --> 00:03:45.240that, but everybody knows that quote. Well, so it's the Chinese general5300:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.400son Sue, I'm not sure I'mpronouncing his last name right, T SEU.5400:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.520And he said know thy enemy andknow THY and know yourself. In5500:03:53.599 --> 00:03:57.669a hundred battles you will never bedefeated when you're ignorant of the enemy,5600:03:58.110 --> 00:04:00.870but know yourself, your chances ofwinning or losing are equal. If ignorant5700:04:00.949 --> 00:04:04.830both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in5800:04:04.949 --> 00:04:11.340every battle. So now I knowhe's not our authority. Yeah, I5900:04:11.419 --> 00:04:17.019mean leave it to Vicky to quotesome Calmy to the help us understand the6000:04:17.060 --> 00:04:21.819biblical truth. But the reality iseven a calm me like that right,6100:04:24.410 --> 00:04:28.370even a broken clock is right twicea day, right, right. So6200:04:28.889 --> 00:04:32.649there is a dynamic there that he'skind of spells out that we see in6300:04:32.689 --> 00:04:35.610the scriptures. Yeah, let's lookat Paul. That goes the same sentiment6400:04:35.769 --> 00:04:41.560and Second Corinthians to eleven, SecondCorinthians to eleven, Corinthians to eleven.6500:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.120Be turned there in my mind.And while you're turning there, I mean6600:04:44.319 --> 00:04:47.439even you may want to just kindof briefly discuss well, are they really6700:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.560are enemy? Enemies? Pretty harshword. Yeah, and and yet so6800:04:53.069 --> 00:04:57.829there's definitely two sides out there.At every sidewalk off every abortion center,6900:04:57.870 --> 00:05:00.550there's usually two sides. There's thesocalled pro choice people, which we're going7000:05:00.550 --> 00:05:04.029to talk about that that that isnot an honest expression of who they are,7100:05:04.430 --> 00:05:09.180and then there's the the people whoare in supportive of the sanctity of7200:05:09.220 --> 00:05:13.100life. Yeah, now, Iwouldn't say that at every abortion clinic that7300:05:13.220 --> 00:05:16.100there is a pro abortion presence,but at many of there are, and7400:05:16.339 --> 00:05:19.540can looking on social media and friendsthat are reaching out at abortion centers.7500:05:19.579 --> 00:05:25.689There's they have to deal with this. Some are more wicked than others,7600:05:25.970 --> 00:05:30.529some are more vocal, their vocaland just venomous than others. Yeah,7700:05:30.730 --> 00:05:38.399but they are our enemies in thesense that they're opposing us, they're opposing7800:05:39.560 --> 00:05:44.439the things that got us, calledus to but there's this different dynamics when7900:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.519use the word enemy. In aworldly sense we're thinking this is somebody that8000:05:47.600 --> 00:05:53.470we marginalizes, is somebody that wephysically do something to. This in a8100:05:53.509 --> 00:05:58.389Christian sense, your enemy is somebodythat opposes you, but you don't have8200:05:58.509 --> 00:06:01.110a right in a Christian sense todo anything physical to them. You don't8300:06:01.149 --> 00:06:04.420have a right in a Christian sense. So just marginalize them. Yeah,8400:06:04.459 --> 00:06:09.019we're sex it says love. Yeah, I love our enemies. We're supposed8500:06:09.060 --> 00:06:11.819to do good, yeah, tothose who do evil to us. Right,8600:06:12.339 --> 00:06:14.899it's what we're supposed to do asChristians. We don't we don't get8700:06:15.060 --> 00:06:18.089to justify. Certainly we can beangry, but we don't get to justify8800:06:18.089 --> 00:06:21.290any kind of violence or thoughts ofviolence. We don't want kneel towards them.8900:06:21.569 --> 00:06:25.329I mean, ultimately, if welove them, and we should,9000:06:25.370 --> 00:06:29.329we should love our enemies. Rightto love someone is to desire the highest9100:06:29.529 --> 00:06:31.850good. And so when I seethese pro abortion people out there, and9200:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.680I certainly do not like their presence, and then they cause issues and whatever,9300:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.279and they're nasty and their vile andall of that, but I love9400:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.000them, and that doesn't mean Ispeak flowery to them all the time,9500:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.589but I want the highest good forthem. What is that? Well,9600:06:46.709 --> 00:06:50.389that's that's coming to know the Lord, as says there, as they're safe9700:06:50.550 --> 00:06:54.310salvation. That's right. I wantthem to know God. Yeah, and9800:06:54.350 --> 00:06:57.629I want them to be eternally saved. That's yeah, that's what I desire9900:06:57.670 --> 00:07:00.350for them now, because I wantthat, I'm going to speak the truth10000:07:00.430 --> 00:07:02.540to them. So I'm not goingto compromise the truth of the Gospel.10100:07:02.740 --> 00:07:05.620That's the only way they're going toget saved. Yeah, and I'm not10200:07:05.740 --> 00:07:10.459going to just, you know,kind of gloss over some of the ridiculous10300:07:10.500 --> 00:07:12.899things that they say. It.Right, we've got to confront evil,10400:07:13.220 --> 00:07:15.290right, and all of that.But let's go to this set and Corinthians,10500:07:15.370 --> 00:07:20.569to in verse eleven, and itsays less Satan should take advance image10600:07:20.569 --> 00:07:25.490of us, for we are notignorant of his devices, right. Yeah,10700:07:25.569 --> 00:07:29.889and there's a context there, andPaul is talking about you. We10800:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.720must know the truth, we mustwalk in the truth, we must be10900:07:32.839 --> 00:07:36.959aware of the enemy, like thatthat common guy you quoted. Right,11000:07:38.199 --> 00:07:41.240you've got to be aware of yourenemies, son. Yeah, and and11100:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.149my version says so that we wouldnot be outwitted, yeah, by Satan,11200:07:45.430 --> 00:07:48.149so you know, and and theirgoal is certainly to outwit us,11300:07:48.269 --> 00:07:51.589to beat us at our game outthere in a sense, and make sure11400:07:51.589 --> 00:07:57.029that we don't score. Yeah,of course. And in their eyes it's11500:07:57.149 --> 00:08:01.259the the saving of a baby thatif the baby is saved, they've lost.11600:08:01.540 --> 00:08:03.540We won. Yeah, and weknow that's kind of ridiculous, of11700:08:03.620 --> 00:08:07.420course, utterly rediculous. You know, it goes on in here, in11800:08:07.459 --> 00:08:11.139the same book, Second Anthians toArt, Second Carinthians, chapter four actually,11900:08:11.220 --> 00:08:13.889which will probably cover this right.We do a little bit around further,12000:08:13.930 --> 00:08:18.089but I want to just mention itnow, okay. And it's whose12100:08:18.170 --> 00:08:22.769minds this is talking about? Peoplewho don't know the Lord and says whose12200:08:22.850 --> 00:08:26.319minds the God of this age isblinded, who do not believe lest the12300:08:26.360 --> 00:08:31.240light of the glory or The Gospelof the glory of Christ, who is12400:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.799the image of God, should shineon them. Right their hearts and their12500:08:33.879 --> 00:08:39.840minds are darkened, they are lost. Now, let us not forget that12600:08:39.000 --> 00:08:45.149we were not born saved. Letus not forget that we too were at12700:08:45.190 --> 00:08:48.110one time blinded by the God ofthis world, by the devil, and12800:08:48.269 --> 00:08:52.990we were doing the devil's bidding.Maybe we weren't standing in front of an12900:08:52.990 --> 00:08:56.899abortion clinic supporting abortion, but wewere doing other wicked things, right,13000:08:58.419 --> 00:09:01.620even you yourself being in having anabortion right, that's that's sin. You13100:09:01.700 --> 00:09:05.259were blinded by the God of thisage. And so we can't forget where13200:09:05.299 --> 00:09:09.809we came from. If we startedjust marginalize these people and not deal with13300:09:09.850 --> 00:09:13.690them as human beings. Now again, I don't mean that we that we13400:09:13.049 --> 00:09:18.529don't marginalize their arguments. Their argumentsare ridiculous. They're based in all kinds13500:09:18.570 --> 00:09:22.049of just political rhetoric but other andthey're evil and Godless, and so we13600:09:22.129 --> 00:09:26.720don't. We validate their argument,right, but we can't just marginalize them13700:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.720as human beings and say that theydon't matter to the Lord. They do13800:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.320matter to God. So hopefully we'llgive you guys some principles that will help13900:09:33.360 --> 00:09:39.309you and give you, guys,just some experience from from our perspective that14000:09:39.389 --> 00:09:41.309will help you if you're dealing withthese people at the right portion center where14100:09:41.309 --> 00:09:45.509you minister. Yeah, how muchto do with them and specifically how to14200:09:45.629 --> 00:09:48.990deal with them based on on ourexperiences. So you already kind of touched14300:09:50.070 --> 00:09:54.139on it. As I was thinkingthrough this kind of preparing an outline of14400:09:54.259 --> 00:09:58.620it. There were at six majorareas that presented themselves as as what I14500:09:58.740 --> 00:10:05.620thought we're good areas to talk aboutand how we deal with this group.14600:10:05.980 --> 00:10:09.730But I think the first thing isI tend to be nice and call them14700:10:11.009 --> 00:10:15.490pro choice in quotation are quotations,because that's what they want. But we14800:10:15.610 --> 00:10:18.850specifically are not going to do thatin it because, and why? Don't14900:10:18.850 --> 00:10:20.730you explain? Why? Why arewe not going to? You know the15000:10:20.850 --> 00:10:24.799list? I could I could bewrong and I'm sure there's probably some prolifers15100:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.679out there, some abolitionist folks outthere, some people who would disagree with15200:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.720me, and please disagree with me. That's fine. To correct me,15300:10:31.799 --> 00:10:33.600send me an email while I'm wrong. Yeah, but I don't like to15400:10:33.720 --> 00:10:39.870give the devil and his minions aninch. I mean when we talk about15500:10:39.870 --> 00:10:43.070being pro choice, right, andwhen these folks to call themselves pro choice,15600:10:43.830 --> 00:10:48.029what are we implying there? Theword choice implies the availability of more15700:10:48.070 --> 00:10:54.860than one option. Correct, likeat it's very basic core word meaning.15800:10:54.899 --> 00:11:00.100Choice implies the availability of more thanone actually are these people? Is the15900:11:00.139 --> 00:11:03.409abortion clinic that's, you know,supposed to be a woman's choice healthcare facility.16000:11:03.450 --> 00:11:07.929There even some of these abortion clinicsthat call themselves a woman's choice right.16100:11:07.129 --> 00:11:13.129Are they offering any other options besidesabortion? Now, and in fact16200:11:13.129 --> 00:11:16.409they're. They're hindering our ability tooffer the choice for life to the very16300:11:16.490 --> 00:11:22.879best of their ability and they theyoften even cheer when when they are successful16400:11:22.000 --> 00:11:28.039in keeping someone from stopping and takingour information or hearing our voices. So16500:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.990clearly they there one choice. Thatchoice is the death of the all right,16600:11:31.990 --> 00:11:35.149yeah, so if you only haveone choice, then you actually don't16700:11:35.190 --> 00:11:39.190have choice. Right, right,and so that's why I will call them16800:11:39.389 --> 00:11:41.350not pro choice but pro abortion.Now again, I'm sure there's some folks,16900:11:41.870 --> 00:11:45.029because we do want to meet peoplewhere they are. We don't want17000:11:45.029 --> 00:11:48.980to just come out immediate just beoffensive, but understand and I get it.17100:11:48.100 --> 00:11:52.179There's a context. If you're ministerin two people, pro choice minded17200:11:52.259 --> 00:11:54.980people on a college campus, you'regoing to meet them where they're at.17300:11:54.019 --> 00:11:58.379You're going to call them pro choice, that's what they call themselves whatever.17400:11:58.460 --> 00:12:01.139But in the context were ministering in, we just don't have a lot of17500:12:01.220 --> 00:12:03.610time to beat around the bus andI want them to understand we know where17600:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.330they stand. Yeah, you know, they call us pro berth ors.17700:12:07.490 --> 00:12:11.009For me to call them pro abortionpeople is not just for me to just17800:12:11.129 --> 00:12:15.759get back at them. Yeah,it's just the reality and it's my experience17900:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.960and it's many people's experience that arestanding out there. There's not. They're18000:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.679not offering other choice. Right.So it's probortion. So they're but so18100:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.840that's what we're going to refer tothem as a pro abortion proponents or the18200:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.830pro abortion opposition or something along thoselines, and that's why I wanted to18300:12:31.909 --> 00:12:35.590make that clear. That's why we'reit's a conscious choice. Yeah, in18400:12:35.950 --> 00:12:39.429this podcast at least, referred tothem that way. But the first thing,18500:12:39.509 --> 00:12:43.470which you already kind of touched on, was know thy enemy. So18600:12:43.710 --> 00:12:48.179in knowing thy Nimy, understanding themindset, yeah, of the opposition.18700:12:48.379 --> 00:12:52.460That's the critical kind of first step. I just had a group of three18800:12:52.580 --> 00:12:56.860new volunteers that I was training thispast Monday and one of them in particular18900:12:58.059 --> 00:13:01.049just kept shaking his head, hecould not take his eyes off of them,19000:13:01.610 --> 00:13:05.210saying what, there's a wicked whydon't they understand? And he was,19100:13:05.570 --> 00:13:07.330he was he wasn't even listening tome. As I'm trying to train19200:13:07.409 --> 00:13:13.519him what to do. That isvery positive and uplifting and helps these women,19300:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.399because he was so focused on why. Why? Why are they?19400:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.039Are they this way? So Ithought it's good to address that. First19500:13:18.039 --> 00:13:22.840of all. Why are they this? Yeah, what's going on in their19600:13:22.960 --> 00:13:30.110mind? That is well, Ithink the Bible addresses this issue and our19700:13:30.190 --> 00:13:35.269experience addresses this issue. Again,we cannot forget who we were at one19800:13:35.389 --> 00:13:39.190point, right, and we can'tforget what God brought us from. Yeah,19900:13:39.269 --> 00:13:41.139we were dead. This is biblical, right, right, making this20000:13:41.220 --> 00:13:45.940up. The Bible tells us forthat. We are dead in our trespasses20100:13:45.980 --> 00:13:50.500and sins. It tells us,and saying Corinthians that chapter four MM and20200:13:50.659 --> 00:13:54.809verse four, that the God ofthis age has blinded their eyes. Those20300:13:56.009 --> 00:14:00.009don't know the Lord. Their eyesare blinded. Yeah, they are blind.20400:14:00.690 --> 00:14:05.330So we now there's a balance here. So I don't mean to convey20500:14:05.409 --> 00:14:09.210that these people aren't responsible for theiractions. I don't mean that, but20600:14:09.330 --> 00:14:13.440the best analogy I can think ofis you think about a person that's blind.20700:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.559You're not angry with them because theycan't see. It's like, why20800:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.759don't you open your ass? Can'tyou see. Look what I'm trying to20900:14:18.799 --> 00:14:20.840show you. I'm trying to showyou a picture. Why can't you look21000:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.950at this? Right? They simplycannot. They're not equipped to see,21100:14:24.230 --> 00:14:30.710they cannot understand, they cannot perceivethe truth. Now what has to happen21200:14:31.389 --> 00:14:33.269is God has to open their hearts, God has to open their eyes.21300:14:33.750 --> 00:14:37.509And how does he do that?Will primarily he does that through his word,21400:14:39.100 --> 00:14:41.980right, and that's why we can'tneglect sharing his word, and I'm21500:14:41.980 --> 00:14:45.179sure we'll get in to some ofthis as we progress in this podcast.21600:14:45.340 --> 00:14:48.100Yeah, but God's word. There'sa temptation in us to argue from a21700:14:48.740 --> 00:14:52.450scientific perspective of not saying we shouldn't, we should bring science into the equation.21800:14:52.570 --> 00:14:56.409Science is just knowledge and God hasgiven US knowledge, right, you21900:14:56.529 --> 00:14:58.090know. So we can bring thatinto the equation, and I do.22000:14:58.370 --> 00:15:01.889But we cannot neglect the word ofGod, even if they reject the word22100:15:01.929 --> 00:15:05.409of God, which many of themdid today as I was speaking on the22200:15:05.450 --> 00:15:09.039microphone, as you were speaking sometoo. They said, what if we22300:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.960don't believe in the Bible? Idon't care what you believe. This is22400:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.919true and I'm going to share itwith you, right and that truth has22500:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.679power, whether you believe in itor not. But from a worldly past22600:15:18.960 --> 00:15:26.830perspective, they do make some prettybig sacrifice as they're out there, usually22700:15:26.870 --> 00:15:28.750not as long as us, butin nasty weather, they're out there pretty22800:15:28.789 --> 00:15:33.470consistently. Well, why, noone makes a sacrifice and less they believe22900:15:33.750 --> 00:15:39.259that it's worthwhile. So they aredefending what they believe is precious. Yeah,23000:15:39.299 --> 00:15:43.820exact same way that we are defendingwhat we believe is precious. So23100:15:43.220 --> 00:15:48.340so, bottom line, they theybelieve largely, not not all of them,23200:15:48.500 --> 00:15:52.169but but I would say probably mostof them at least, the way23300:15:52.250 --> 00:15:56.370that they rationalize being out there.They believe that this is not a human23400:15:56.450 --> 00:16:00.529being, at least not a humanbeing, a full human being worthy of23500:16:00.690 --> 00:16:03.129rights. Yeah, and so themother, the mother's needs and rights,23600:16:03.289 --> 00:16:10.200trumps that unborn child. Bodily autonomyis is kind of like the the mantra23700:16:10.440 --> 00:16:15.200right, the autonomy is the chiefthought and motivation, the right right.23800:16:15.200 --> 00:16:17.519And if you listen to the thingsthat they say, in the language that23900:16:17.559 --> 00:16:19.549they use and some of even someof the exchanges on facebook, yeah,24000:16:19.590 --> 00:16:23.070it's bodily autonomy. And so whatwe have to understand, just like what24100:16:23.190 --> 00:16:26.870you said when we're when we're confrontedwith these people who were saying and doing24200:16:26.950 --> 00:16:30.549some very evil things. Right,and they are. Some are more vile24300:16:30.629 --> 00:16:36.500than others, and even at ourabortion clinic there's some that are just completely24400:16:36.539 --> 00:16:40.100vile and there's some there kind ofchill. Yeah, yeah, but what24500:16:40.259 --> 00:16:44.419we have to understand is they,from their perspective, are trying to protect24600:16:44.659 --> 00:16:48.330what's precious to them. Now it'stwisted, it's perverted because, if we24700:16:48.450 --> 00:16:51.049boil it down, what are theytrying to protect? Oh, a woman's24800:16:51.049 --> 00:16:52.490right to murder her child. Right, that's what they're trying to pro woman24900:16:52.570 --> 00:16:56.529try to choose what to choose abortion, the dismembering, to choose to murder25000:16:56.610 --> 00:17:00.600her child. So it's twist yes, it's perverted, it's tainted with the25100:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.799thinking of this world. It's saturatingin the thinking of this world. Right,25200:17:04.200 --> 00:17:07.799but we have to understand to themthey're trying to protect what's precious to25300:17:07.880 --> 00:17:12.279them and in kind of the sameway, so are we. Now our25400:17:12.440 --> 00:17:17.950primary motivation is the Lord. Welove him, we want to bring his25500:17:18.109 --> 00:17:21.589Gospel. So that's our primary motivation. So it's not it. It's not25600:17:21.710 --> 00:17:25.190so much what's precious to us.Yes, what's precious to God and their25700:17:25.190 --> 00:17:27.549foots, precious time, exactly.So we're there in it kind of a25800:17:27.630 --> 00:17:33.619big picture way, right. We'rethere to protect what's precious to the Lord,25900:17:33.740 --> 00:17:37.259which is the value of human life. Right, we're we're speaking the26000:17:37.339 --> 00:17:41.579things that we're speaking or taking thestance that we're taking, because we believe26100:17:41.660 --> 00:17:45.049every human life has value. Now, of course he's pro abortion. People26200:17:45.130 --> 00:17:48.009they'll accuse us of not caring aboutchildren after they're born. If you've listened26300:17:48.009 --> 00:17:51.809to this podcast or any amount oftime, if you've followed cities for life,26400:17:51.930 --> 00:17:55.089you know that ain't true. Right. I mean we go all,26500:17:55.490 --> 00:17:57.720you know, over over the topsometimes, I think, in the ways26600:17:57.799 --> 00:18:00.359that we help and I don't thinkit's over the top, but you get26700:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.000what I'm saying. We do alot to go out of our way to26800:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.160help these MOMS and these babies andthese families, and we've seen God do26900:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.039so many things. You guys haveheard some of the testimonies, Ebony's testimony,27000:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.990which is really powerful, and Godstill still doing something personals in her27100:18:15.029 --> 00:18:18.269life. Yeah, hopefully we'll haveher back on its point, but she's27200:18:18.349 --> 00:18:22.309just one among many, many,many other stories. So it's a lie27300:18:22.710 --> 00:18:26.630to believe that we don't care aboutthese women and these babies after they're born.27400:18:26.630 --> 00:18:30.579Rabbit tread a little bit on that. We're there to protect what is27500:18:30.660 --> 00:18:36.579precious. They're there to protect what'sprecious. Yeah, to them. Yeah,27600:18:36.579 --> 00:18:40.500now again it's perverted, but wehave to understand that. That's right,27700:18:40.700 --> 00:18:44.690that's right. They would. Theycertainly don't consider themselves evil. They27800:18:45.529 --> 00:18:48.930they believe that what they're doing isright, at least at some level.27900:18:49.009 --> 00:18:52.970Yeah, or they it's a noblething in their eyes. Right, you28000:18:52.009 --> 00:18:56.559know, they put it on facebookand you know, look where I was28100:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.599at today. I was defending thewoman's right and all that. Yeah,28200:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.759and so, yeah, that's theperspective they're coming from. We have to28300:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.200understand that and in a certain senseyou have to meet people where they are28400:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.630right and come with that understanding.Right, that's that's the first thing,28500:19:10.750 --> 00:19:15.349right, right, who has aRushilingba? That says you can to expect28600:19:15.430 --> 00:19:18.390a leopard not to wear its spots. You know you're gonna. And and28700:19:18.589 --> 00:19:25.420so if you understand they this iswhat they are, then I think it28800:19:25.539 --> 00:19:29.019does help you to be there withthem each day and not be filled with28900:19:29.059 --> 00:19:32.740anger at this is wait, theyare blinded. They don't know the Lord,29000:19:33.140 --> 00:19:37.059and people who don't know the Lordare going to act like people who29100:19:37.059 --> 00:19:40.250don't know the Lord. It's parfor the course. Yeah, so that29200:19:40.410 --> 00:19:44.450leads kind of then to the thesecond big point, which is what is29300:19:44.730 --> 00:19:48.410their motivation? And linked with that, are they all the same, like29400:19:48.490 --> 00:19:52.799we're kind of talking about them asthough they're there one monolithic group, but29500:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.839that's really not the case. No, and it with any group, with29600:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.720any you know, like all ofus who are standing out there on the29700:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.559sidewalk, we're not obviously all thesame. Right now, those who are29800:20:03.599 --> 00:20:06.559Christians, and there are those whoare standing out there who claimed me her29900:20:06.640 --> 00:20:10.710life, who aren't Christians right andthey cause problems. They have their different30000:20:10.750 --> 00:20:14.670motivations. But those who are believers, even within us, who love Jesus,30100:20:15.269 --> 00:20:18.109God called us out there for differentreasons. Some people are called out30200:20:18.150 --> 00:20:22.819there out of kind of their past, having had an abortion. Some people30300:20:22.859 --> 00:20:26.980are called out there and God usestheir past, in my situation, being30400:20:26.019 --> 00:20:30.500a father at a young age,and God use that a spring board and30500:20:30.619 --> 00:20:33.019to call me out there through theirdifferent motivations that we come with, and30600:20:33.299 --> 00:20:37.930of course we understand that. Ultimately, though, our motivation, chief motivation,30700:20:38.089 --> 00:20:41.930has to be a love for Godand then out of that flows our30800:20:41.210 --> 00:20:44.809love for our neighbor. Right.Right, babies, right. And what30900:20:45.009 --> 00:20:48.930is their motivation, if you wereto name, like their chief motivation as31000:20:48.210 --> 00:20:51.960and, like I said, weknow they're different, but they do probably31100:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.240share a fairly similar motivation. Yeah, I mean, I would say again31200:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.319it's that bodily autonomy thing, right, that we talked about first. That's31300:21:00.359 --> 00:21:04.470that's a motivation. I think someof it's probably a chief motivation. Among31400:21:04.589 --> 00:21:08.190that it's like self validation. Yeah, and some of these, if you31500:21:08.309 --> 00:21:11.309talk to him for any amount oftime, you'll find that they have abortion31600:21:11.309 --> 00:21:15.349in their past. Right, theythemselves have had abortions. Yeah, they're31700:21:15.390 --> 00:21:19.019captivated by that sin and misery lovescompany, Right, and they want to31800:21:19.140 --> 00:21:22.619justify themselves. The more people thatdo if you're doing something that you know31900:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.099is wrong, you're doing something evil, the more people that are doing that,32000:21:26.460 --> 00:21:29.779the more you can justify. Youthink about it. Yeah, I32100:21:29.980 --> 00:21:33.769think that's absolutely doing. It absolutelytrue. I agree with that. And32200:21:33.329 --> 00:21:37.089and and in terms of the differentkinds of groups out there, I've talked32300:21:37.170 --> 00:21:41.049with many of them over the years. And you know, there are some32400:21:41.609 --> 00:21:45.410that say, well, I don'tbelieve abortion is a good thing. Yeah,32500:21:47.400 --> 00:21:51.359and I myself would never have one, but I can't make that decision32600:21:51.400 --> 00:21:55.880for other people, so I'm supportingsomeone else's right to choose abortion. Yeah,32700:21:56.119 --> 00:22:02.470some of them will say abortion isis good in the first trimester because32800:22:02.509 --> 00:22:06.589they again, they don't think thatunborn child as as a human being,32900:22:06.670 --> 00:22:10.230yeah, or as a baby orwhatever. And then there's some that will33000:22:10.230 --> 00:22:12.710support it all the way through tothe moment of birth, some beyond,33100:22:15.980 --> 00:22:18.460you know, for any reason.So I mean to me, and we33200:22:18.619 --> 00:22:22.619did a podcast me a long timeago, last year, so time about33300:22:22.700 --> 00:22:26.700this, this subject, about bodilyautonomy, and that's right thing right,33400:22:26.940 --> 00:22:30.609but to me the only consistent way, the only consistent argument you can have33500:22:30.730 --> 00:22:34.569if you're talking bodily autonomy is youhave to believe that abortion is okay up33600:22:34.609 --> 00:22:38.809to birth. There's no right ifyou're talking bodily autonomy. And many of33700:22:38.849 --> 00:22:42.569them will say, you know,I'll give to you that baby in the33800:22:42.609 --> 00:22:45.400womb, that a feed us isalive. Right, but it's rights don't33900:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.319trump the life of the mother.And that's the bodily autonomy argument kind of34000:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.440bowled down very simplistically. Yeah,it will. If that's the case,34100:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.359then if it's rights never trump therights of the mother, then she can34200:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.240kill it up until birth, right, and why not beyond birth? Honestly,34300:22:57.279 --> 00:23:00.349if you take that, well,I guess bodily autonomy it once it's34400:23:00.470 --> 00:23:04.670exited her body. Than that aregoing. You've got folks in this vein,34500:23:04.869 --> 00:23:10.390these pro abortion folks, who are, you know, population control sort34600:23:10.430 --> 00:23:12.579of people, and I don't saythat as some conspiracy thing. I've literally34700:23:12.619 --> 00:23:17.980had some of the pro abortion peopletell me that we need abortion because we've34800:23:18.019 --> 00:23:22.299got to control the population and thenatural outflow of that is. Well,34900:23:22.980 --> 00:23:26.779then, if a child is bornthat has fetal abnormalities, that has issues,35000:23:26.980 --> 00:23:30.009has things that are going on,then why, as we as a35100:23:30.130 --> 00:23:33.089society, why should we put resourcesinto that person? We can just go35200:23:33.170 --> 00:23:36.730ahead and snuff their life out beforethey're you know, they're a year old35300:23:36.809 --> 00:23:40.289or whatever. I think there arepro abortion people, without kind of getting35400:23:40.289 --> 00:23:42.880sidetrack with that, do make thoseargument right now, I don't believe that35500:23:42.960 --> 00:23:47.799the majority of these people think thatway. Right you know, reality is35600:23:47.920 --> 00:23:49.640that many of them, once youwalk through their arguments and things they say35700:23:49.640 --> 00:23:53.279they're not really thinking a whole lotanyway, because a lot of the motivation,35800:23:53.720 --> 00:23:59.630which is why we see an increasein pro abortion presence at abortion clinics35900:23:59.670 --> 00:24:03.470during election years, a lot ofthe motivation is political motivation. Correct.36000:24:03.509 --> 00:24:07.029They didn't give a rip about women'srights until a couple of months before an36100:24:07.069 --> 00:24:11.460election was coming. Yeah, youknow, and so that's that's a reality36200:24:11.579 --> 00:24:14.940to yeah. Yeah, but soI think it helps to think about that,36300:24:15.059 --> 00:24:18.660to think about their motivation and understandkind of what makes them tick in36400:24:18.940 --> 00:24:25.730in a general vein. But weare in St our contrast in terms of36500:24:26.210 --> 00:24:32.849what our motivation is and and we'vetalked before about probably one of our favorite36600:24:33.650 --> 00:24:37.680guiding verses in the Bible, whichis proverbs one nine, yeah, which36700:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.880is open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and36800:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.799needy. And that's why we're there. You are opening our mouth. We36900:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.880are filled with the righteousness of God, not our own righteousness, and we37000:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.950are able to make a judgment basedon that. Yeah, on on that,37100:24:52.069 --> 00:24:56.549this is wrong and we are goingto speak against the sea fil and37200:24:56.710 --> 00:25:00.670that that. That is certainly,I think, a Gospel centered motivation.37300:25:00.710 --> 00:25:06.950Absolutely vertically also are yeah, right. So, so going. Then the37400:25:07.140 --> 00:25:11.259next step from motivation would be okay, now we understand, kind of get37500:25:11.299 --> 00:25:15.220a sense of the mindset. Weunderstand the motivation. Now what are their37600:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.980goals there, because I think ithelps to think about what are their goals37700:25:21.809 --> 00:25:26.410and then how do they achieve them? Yeah, well, we've got you37800:25:26.529 --> 00:25:30.369written a wonderful article, like youdo a lot. Thank we've got some37900:25:30.690 --> 00:25:33.529motivations here, we've got some mindsetshere that we've talked about, that you38000:25:33.609 --> 00:25:38.960talked about in this article. Andthen sort of how do they achieve these38100:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.480goals that they have right, andwe kind of have said the main goal,38200:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.599their main goal is the right ofchoice. That has become their God,38300:25:47.759 --> 00:25:49.829really the right of choice. Theydon't really go beyond choice. For38400:25:51.029 --> 00:25:55.869what? But the right of choice. And then then we get into we've38500:25:55.869 --> 00:25:59.589got great alliteration here. You knowhow I love Little Yeah, we've got38600:25:59.630 --> 00:26:02.509how many D's? We've got abunch of D's. I think we have38700:26:02.829 --> 00:26:04.380one, two, three, four, it. So five things that we38800:26:04.539 --> 00:26:10.019believe are kind of the main methodsby which they attempt to achieve that goal.38900:26:10.220 --> 00:26:14.140So where the enemy and their eyesalso, yeah, and and they39000:26:14.819 --> 00:26:19.089have methods by which they are goingto disarm another d yeah, another method39100:26:19.130 --> 00:26:25.809by which they're going to disarm theenemy. And and these can be they39200:26:25.890 --> 00:26:30.650can be devastating. Yet another Dyeah, I'm especially for a new counselor39300:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.960so, if we know these methods, we name these methods, we look39400:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.759for these methods, I think ithelps us, like that Chinese general said,39500:26:38.279 --> 00:26:42.880to be able to fight against thesemethods and to win that. Yeah,39600:26:44.000 --> 00:26:51.230knowing these methods and then, quotingthe Commie general again, knowing ourselves,39700:26:51.309 --> 00:26:55.190yes, and knowing how we react. Yeah, and again it's knowing39800:26:55.390 --> 00:26:59.269in the light of God's Truth andGod's word, knowing our own hearts right,39900:26:59.349 --> 00:27:02.940which our own hearts can be deceitful. Yeah, and so we be40000:27:03.099 --> 00:27:04.819careful not to follow our own heartsand not to follow the ways of the40100:27:04.900 --> 00:27:10.660world when we're dealing with these things. Yeah. And again we're encouraging you40200:27:10.700 --> 00:27:12.339guys, because if you're out inan abortion center, you're going to face40300:27:12.420 --> 00:27:17.769these things. And we did apodcast couple of weeks ago we talked about40400:27:17.769 --> 00:27:19.609these three parables. If you haven'tlistened to that podcast, you got to40500:27:19.690 --> 00:27:22.490listen to it, especially that lastone. We talk about Swat and flies40600:27:23.009 --> 00:27:26.210and this is right in line withthat. Yeah, and so one of40700:27:26.250 --> 00:27:32.200the first things of first deeds wehave here that they are doing is distracting.40800:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.599Yeah, they want to distract UStheir train, they're trained to distract40900:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.240us. Yeah, they that's kindof what they're so at our abortion clinic,41000:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.240just so you guys kind of understandthe layout here, there are two41100:27:44.390 --> 00:27:47.230pro abortion groups that are there,right, and I think they're really one41200:27:47.349 --> 00:27:51.630group, but they separate themselves,you know, because of these two different41300:27:51.710 --> 00:27:55.509methods of, you know, counteractingour efforts or whatever. Right. And41400:27:55.670 --> 00:27:59.099one of them is the clinic escorts. So they're the ones who walk the41500:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.819women from the door of their carto the door of the abortion clinic with41600:28:02.859 --> 00:28:04.859an umbrella to cover them and theytry to play music to drown us out41700:28:04.859 --> 00:28:07.380and that sort of thing. Sothere's an escorts and then you have the41800:28:07.500 --> 00:28:11.940clinic defenders, as that's what theycall themselves. So they're the people that41900:28:11.980 --> 00:28:15.049are out of the road. Theyhold up signs that says clinic entrance this42000:28:15.130 --> 00:28:18.170way to point people in, becausethe driveways not always clear to people.42100:28:18.569 --> 00:28:22.930They try to counteract our efforts byeven sometimes getting between if a car stops42200:28:22.970 --> 00:28:26.089for us, getting between us andthe vehicles so we can't approach that vehicle42300:28:26.130 --> 00:28:29.680and give them literature and talk withthem. Yeah, and so one of42400:28:29.720 --> 00:28:33.279their methods, though, used todistract us, to get us in conversation.42500:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.319And I'm telling you, I've hadconversations with these people and some of42600:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.509them can be productive conversations. I'vehad some fairly productive conversations because for me,42700:28:41.710 --> 00:28:45.190from my standpoint, I want tounderstand where people are coming from.42800:28:45.269 --> 00:28:51.990I genuinely do. People interest me. I'm I'm interested in people and the42900:28:52.029 --> 00:28:55.269way they think, and not thatI want to get into their psyche or43000:28:55.269 --> 00:28:57.660anything weird like that, but Ilike to understand the perspective people are coming43100:28:57.700 --> 00:29:02.740from, how they think, howthey tick, and it's interesting to me.43200:29:02.940 --> 00:29:06.779So I've had many conversations with thesepeople and some of them, again,43300:29:06.819 --> 00:29:10.130to have been productive and some ofthem been just playing distractions. Yeah,43400:29:10.170 --> 00:29:14.089where you're talking about who knows what, you're talking about everything under the43500:29:14.210 --> 00:29:18.809Sun and you learn pretty quickly thattheir goal is been to distract me.43600:29:18.089 --> 00:29:22.210Yeah, and I feel like,and I told you before we started this43700:29:22.289 --> 00:29:27.680podcast, that the Lord is nothappy when I have allowed myself to be43800:29:27.759 --> 00:29:33.519distracted in some fruitless conversation with thesepeople and a woman walks into the door43900:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.960that abortion clinic without being address,without being able to hear. And that44000:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.910has happened, sadly. Yeah,where I've been engaged one of these pro44100:29:38.950 --> 00:29:44.109abortion people and maybe even gotten aheated argument with him. That's another trap.44200:29:44.150 --> 00:29:47.349We talked about that and that podcastabout swatton flies. Yep. But44300:29:47.470 --> 00:29:49.470even if I'm just in a conversationwith him and a woman pulls into the44400:29:49.470 --> 00:29:52.619driveway and doesn't get an opportunity toget literature, she walks into the door44500:29:52.660 --> 00:29:56.099of the abortion clint doesn't get anopportunity to hear the truth and the resources44600:29:56.140 --> 00:30:02.099that were offering, we have failedbecause God didn't call us to the abortion44700:30:02.180 --> 00:30:04.339clinic to reach pro abortion people.Right, he guy able us. They44800:30:04.339 --> 00:30:07.650are, they have valued like everyhuman being. God, God loves them.44900:30:07.690 --> 00:30:10.930He had saved them in an instantif they have turned to him.45000:30:11.490 --> 00:30:14.809And the fact is, you know, they're getting more Gospel just being out45100:30:14.849 --> 00:30:17.609there, just listening to what we'resaying to the MOM's going in. They're45200:30:17.650 --> 00:30:19.890hearing more Gospel. The most peoplein the world ever here, right,45300:30:19.970 --> 00:30:23.279so they get it by US mayas Moses Anyway, right, just being45400:30:23.359 --> 00:30:27.359there. Yeah, but, yeah, we can't let them get us distracted45500:30:27.599 --> 00:30:32.480and talking about things just don't pertainbecause that's what they wanted to don't pertain45600:30:32.480 --> 00:30:36.309to while we're there. Yeah,and then miss the opportunity to address an45700:30:36.349 --> 00:30:38.109abortion. Amount of mom going inthere. They're not on the priority list45800:30:38.109 --> 00:30:41.589as far as addressing people at theabortions. Right, right, because we're45900:30:41.670 --> 00:30:45.910not speaking for those unborn at thatpoint. Really no one is. And46000:30:45.069 --> 00:30:49.500so another thing that they are trainedto do is to discredit us, to46100:30:51.059 --> 00:30:56.140distract us and then discredit us andto say that what we're saying our lies,46200:30:56.619 --> 00:31:00.619that what we promise. We arenot going to do. Yeah,46300:31:00.500 --> 00:31:04.329they'll discredit us because of our background. I've heard them say you had an46400:31:04.369 --> 00:31:07.490abortion, what gives you the rightto speak? Yeah, and it takes46500:31:07.529 --> 00:31:11.890various forms, but it happens allthe time. They are busy trying to46600:31:14.690 --> 00:31:18.720have the MOM's question whether they shouldtrust us or not, and it does46700:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.559spoil down to the example of thisis, yes, it does absolutely bulls46800:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.720down to the issue of trust.Yeah, an example of this is they46900:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.079used to have signs, which Ihaven't seen him hold these suns in a47000:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.869while. But they still say this, that the RV, the Mobultra son,47100:31:32.910 --> 00:31:36.549you know we have there is afake fake our RV, fake clinic,47200:31:36.750 --> 00:31:38.869face ship, fake pictures. That, yes, still floors me.47300:31:40.109 --> 00:31:41.029Yeah, the Oh, the oneguy. I think I shared this on47400:31:41.109 --> 00:31:45.430a previous podcast. The Guy saidwe show them squirrel feed us. Yeah,47500:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.539how that would serve US I don'tknow, but now idea. But47600:31:48.700 --> 00:31:51.380Hey. And so, yeah,they want to discredit what we're saying.47700:31:51.380 --> 00:31:53.700They want to discredit us even ashuman beings. You know, they've personally47800:31:53.700 --> 00:31:56.940attacked you, they've personally attacked me. Yeah, and you know, even47900:31:57.059 --> 00:32:01.210like my story being a father atseventeen years old and just how God use48000:32:01.289 --> 00:32:05.730that situation to turn my life around. They try to discredit me on that,48100:32:06.009 --> 00:32:08.730you know, and just use allkinds of just wicked language to try48200:32:08.730 --> 00:32:12.890to describe my past and all ofthat. Yeah, the goal is again48300:32:12.970 --> 00:32:15.359to discredit exactly the things I readthat Mom's have written to me. I48400:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.119read it right from the text fromthe MOM and they say you're lying.48500:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.519Yeah, and you know there isnothing you can do do when that happens,48600:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.599when you're being discredited like that,it is kind of my word against48700:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.470your word, except just keep speakingtruth. Yes, keep speaking to one48800:32:30.509 --> 00:32:35.069of the things that I do.If and again, you cannot let these48900:32:35.109 --> 00:32:37.269people be a focus. Right,you cannot be. You. We were49000:32:37.269 --> 00:32:43.069able we have the awesome gift ofbeing able to use amplified sound here in49100:32:43.190 --> 00:32:45.859Charlotte. We have a private propertywith a partner ministry love life, next49200:32:45.859 --> 00:32:49.380door to the abortion center. Wecan set up there. We can have49300:32:49.500 --> 00:32:51.700it pretty loud. Yeah, andso it was a gift for us to49400:32:51.740 --> 00:32:55.420be able to broadcast what we're sayingthere. And there are times today I'll49500:32:55.420 --> 00:33:00.130let this pro abortion agenda be afocus and I don't. I didn't let49600:33:00.130 --> 00:33:04.529it be an unnecessary focus. Itwas good and I spring boarded off of49700:33:04.609 --> 00:33:07.450that into you know, are yougoing to trust the pro abortion agenda?49800:33:07.450 --> 00:33:08.970Are you going to trust the Lord? Right? So it was all good.49900:33:09.329 --> 00:33:14.200Yeah, but one of the thingsthat I do in order to counteract50000:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.039that discredit is I just tell thetruth, right, you know, I50100:33:17.200 --> 00:33:21.480just I just tell the truth.I don't embellish the truth. Yeah,50200:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.000I don't try to make it soundmore than it is. Yeah, and50300:33:23.200 --> 00:33:28.029then I encourage people who are listeningand I'll say this often, don't take50400:33:28.069 --> 00:33:30.430my word for it. So,so today, for example, I was50500:33:30.509 --> 00:33:34.430talking about the abortionist right, DrRon Vermonti, and his track record as50600:33:34.470 --> 00:33:37.630being arrested for rape and his racistcomments that he made and stuff like that50700:33:37.910 --> 00:33:40.460with your public. Yeah, they'reall you can find them going youtube and50800:33:40.539 --> 00:33:44.700find it, and I say,don't take my word for it, please,50900:33:44.980 --> 00:33:46.140don't take my word for it.Look on your smartphone, right,51000:33:46.180 --> 00:33:49.940and that's one of the ways thatyou can counteract that. We're talking about51100:33:49.940 --> 00:33:52.259out when does a baby's heart beginto beat? Don't take my word for51200:33:52.339 --> 00:33:54.769it, look on your small youcan look it up yourself. Yeah,51300:33:54.809 --> 00:33:59.529I mean this day and age,you can't get away with embellishing on the51400:33:59.569 --> 00:34:01.769truth without people checking up on it, right, and so we encourage people,51500:34:01.849 --> 00:34:05.250yeah, to check up on it. With what I'm saying. Is51600:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.450a lie, then show me,and that's one of the things I will51700:34:07.450 --> 00:34:09.960do if I do exchange with thesepro abortion people, and I do from51800:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.800time to time, right when it'sappropriate, is that you know, they51900:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.519cause liars. They say you tellpeople lies. And I ask him,52000:34:16.599 --> 00:34:21.719please share with me one lie,one line that I tell people or in52100:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.070our brochure. They say your brochureis a bunch of lies and propaganda,52200:34:24.510 --> 00:34:28.230and I'll hand them one of ourbrochures and say, please, just circle52300:34:28.510 --> 00:34:30.309what in this brochure. Is Alot. Please circle it for me and52400:34:30.389 --> 00:34:34.670because genuinely I do want to know. I don't want to be given people52500:34:34.710 --> 00:34:37.590misinformation. If we're to telling alie, we want to know. Yeah,52600:34:37.630 --> 00:34:39.340prays, take the brochures, circlewhatever in there is a lot,52700:34:39.659 --> 00:34:43.739and I will do whatever I canto correct it. Did they ever circle?52800:34:43.820 --> 00:34:46.219And think? Of course not now. No. Yeah. Well,52900:34:46.300 --> 00:34:54.130today was great because you played overthe microphone the the audio of Doctor Vermonti53000:34:55.130 --> 00:35:02.530saying that he didn't want to supportthose ugly black babies on unwelfare and and53100:35:02.690 --> 00:35:08.000that did. This was a groupof young new pro abortion people and they53200:35:08.079 --> 00:35:13.760were silenced by that, because they'rejust when you play the truth and it's53300:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.320audible, they're just as really nothingyou can say. It's awful, that53400:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.150what he did and said. So, yeah, so they want to distract,53500:35:22.190 --> 00:35:25.349they want to discredit, they wanteddemoralize. Yeah, they would.53600:35:25.349 --> 00:35:29.469They want and and you know,they can be effective, especially with the53700:35:29.550 --> 00:35:31.949new volunteers. I have had newvolunteers start crying because they are. So53800:35:32.349 --> 00:35:37.699they did a lot of name calling. Yeah, a lot of bad,53900:35:37.820 --> 00:35:42.500bad language, and a lot ofpersonal attacks on your dress, on your54000:35:42.659 --> 00:35:47.820age, on your looks. It'sjust it can be really demoralizing. Yeah,54100:35:47.860 --> 00:35:51.969you know, with without them,even in the equation. HMM,54200:35:52.289 --> 00:35:54.090if you've ever been to an abortioncenter, you'll know exactly what I'm talking54300:35:54.090 --> 00:35:58.809about. You're in a spiritual battleand you can feel the spiritual warfare right54400:35:58.969 --> 00:36:01.289and again. That's without these people. Even in the equation. You're add54500:36:01.289 --> 00:36:05.719an abortion center, you can feelthe demonic presence and all of that,54600:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.159and so it's already a battle.It's already difficult when you add these people54700:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.039to the equation. Yeah, andthen they're saying some of the I mean54800:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.000really, it makes me laugh,but I can understand how people who are54900:36:17.119 --> 00:36:22.909new can get demoralized and get deflated, because it is like personal attacks.55000:36:22.909 --> 00:36:24.989Yeah, you know, they weremaking fun of my shoes today. I55100:36:25.070 --> 00:36:29.710think they were making fun of theycalled you ikey Vicki. Ikey Vicky is55200:36:29.869 --> 00:36:32.380the new yeah, all over facebook. And the thing is I laughed too,55300:36:32.579 --> 00:36:37.019but I remember when I was new, I didn't laugh, but you55400:36:37.099 --> 00:36:42.780learned to. I think you learnto realize this is it's not really me55500:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.900of that that they're battling. Ma'sone of the things that we say in55600:36:45.980 --> 00:36:49.050our train. Yeah, when you'vegot people, you know, angry people55700:36:49.050 --> 00:36:52.489who are there for an abortion orpro abortion people, whoever, you got55800:36:52.650 --> 00:36:55.130security guards, whatever, don't takeit personal, right, because it's not55900:36:55.289 --> 00:37:00.650personal. It's not about you necessarily. They just wanted to moralize you and56000:37:00.730 --> 00:37:04.280it's really they hate what you standfor. Yeah, in their minds and56100:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.480their minds, you stand for everythingthat's wrong with the world. You know,56200:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.719you're like a little representative of DonaldTrump. You know, that's the56300:37:10.760 --> 00:37:15.389way they see and of course that'sridiculous, right, but that's the way56400:37:15.429 --> 00:37:19.389they see it, and so they'reattacking that. And really what they're attacking56500:37:19.469 --> 00:37:22.750as a straw man, right,it's at caricature they've built up in their56600:37:22.789 --> 00:37:24.949own minds. It's just not true, right. And the ultimately they're attacking56700:37:25.070 --> 00:37:30.420God and his message because they're inso much rebellion against God. So the56800:37:30.500 --> 00:37:34.619next day, is that their theirgoal is to discourage yeah, because if56900:37:34.699 --> 00:37:38.139they think if they just attack enough, that they will discourage us him and57000:37:38.260 --> 00:37:44.329we won't come out there they've beenproven wrong, that we've been out there.57100:37:44.449 --> 00:37:46.570How long? A Long, longtime, you know, and just57200:37:46.650 --> 00:37:52.090about every hour that the abortion centersopened. So and then all the the57300:37:52.170 --> 00:37:55.889last D is to defend their ownlives and choices. You touched on that57400:37:55.969 --> 00:38:00.239earlier. Yeah, that they're tryingto defend and rationalize. Right, trying57500:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.960to rationalize, trying to justify andtrying to make themselves feel better about their57600:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.559sinful lifestyle, whatever. You know. But it is ultimately bulls down to57700:38:07.599 --> 00:38:14.030selfjustification. Yeah. Yeah, andagain you can understand because their loss and57800:38:14.070 --> 00:38:17.710they're not just defied through the onlymeans of justification they're there actually is,57900:38:17.789 --> 00:38:22.190which is Jesus Christ and his deathbarrel and resurrection. They've not been justified,58000:38:22.309 --> 00:38:27.500so they have to justify themselves.Yeah, and again it's understandable if58100:38:27.619 --> 00:38:30.460we can see from their perspective.And at one time you are not a58200:38:30.500 --> 00:38:35.980Christian. One time you were notborn again, you were not justified by58300:38:36.059 --> 00:38:38.340faith in Jesus Christ. So youwere in their shoes at one time.58400:38:38.420 --> 00:38:43.050So we have a unique thing goingon here, is that we have the58500:38:43.130 --> 00:38:45.130ability to see from both perspectives.Yeah, now, I don't mean that58600:38:45.210 --> 00:38:49.409we can see all together from theirperspective and all of that, because they58700:38:49.530 --> 00:38:53.650their different life experiences and stuff,but they're really two perspective in the Bible.58800:38:53.730 --> 00:38:59.440There's this perspective of the lost theworld and then there's their perspective of58900:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.880those who were born again. Right, and we can see from those two59000:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.320perspectives because one time we're lost.Well, they're in darkness and we're in59100:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.719light. Yeah, for one thing, and darkness. You don't see in59200:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.590darkness, but you do. Youdo see in light. And and I59300:39:10.710 --> 00:39:15.909think this goes back to that veryfirst point that we made about know your59400:39:15.949 --> 00:39:19.469enemy. No, not only yourenemy, but know yourself. The negative59500:39:19.710 --> 00:39:22.989of our self is that our heartis deceitful above all else. Who can59600:39:22.030 --> 00:39:27.820know it? But the positive iswe have the Holy Spirit in dwelled yeah,59700:39:27.900 --> 00:39:31.900within in every believer and dwelling everybeliever, and that Holy Spirit is59800:39:32.019 --> 00:39:37.940what gives us that light, thatknowledge and Truth and righteousness. The heart59900:39:37.019 --> 00:39:40.849is deceitful above all things and desperately, desperately wicked. Who can know it?60000:39:42.409 --> 00:39:45.369But the board right. When you'rea Christian, when you're lost,60100:39:45.489 --> 00:39:47.050you don't know it. You're blind. When you're a Christian, you can60200:39:47.130 --> 00:39:50.969know what your heart is like becauseyou have the Holy Spirit, you've got60300:39:51.090 --> 00:39:54.639my Lord by his spirit in youand you can look and see, here's60400:39:54.679 --> 00:39:59.159where I'm off and here's where,here's where you know I'm good. Yeah,60500:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.159people are lost. Can't see that, right. So we have again,60600:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.039we had that's understand. We havethat. Yeah. So that that,60700:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.030I hope, helps, just knowingthese are their goals and the methods60800:40:07.070 --> 00:40:10.429that they use. And and nowonce you know them, hopefully you can60900:40:10.510 --> 00:40:15.110be aware of them and if you'reaware you are able to move beyond them.61000:40:15.190 --> 00:40:17.630And we so we found a psalm. Yeah, that that we just61100:40:19.550 --> 00:40:22.900we both read it and thought,wow, this, this just really describes61200:40:22.420 --> 00:40:27.980in our eyes what we see fromthe pro abortion crowd. Yes, I61300:40:28.099 --> 00:40:30.139do. You have that, thatPsalm? I do. Psalmsen for three61400:40:30.139 --> 00:40:34.219level or through revene. Know,again, this this biblical language. The61500:40:34.260 --> 00:40:36.530Bible say they have problems. We'renot the same thing, as I said,61600:40:36.690 --> 00:40:39.250but then you got problems with withGod's word. But again, when61700:40:39.289 --> 00:40:44.050we're talking about enemies, we're talkingabout wicked people. We're not using those61800:40:44.130 --> 00:40:46.050terms just to demean them and saythey don't have value. They do.61900:40:46.449 --> 00:40:50.719We were wicked at one time.Right God's mercy was shot on us.62000:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.119They're wicked. God's mercy will shoton them if they'll repent and put their62100:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.960trust in him. Yeah, buthere's what the Bible says. The wicked62200:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.199in his proud countenance does not seekGod. God is in none of his62300:41:01.360 --> 00:41:06.309thoughts. His ways are always prospering. Your judgments are far above out of62400:41:06.429 --> 00:41:09.349his sight. As for all hisenemies, he sneers at them. He62500:41:09.389 --> 00:41:13.150has said in his heart I shallnot be moved, I shall never be62600:41:13.349 --> 00:41:16.989an adversity. His mouth is fullof cursing into sit and oppression. Under62700:41:17.030 --> 00:41:22.019his tongue is trouble in iniquity.He sits in the lurking places of the62800:41:22.059 --> 00:41:24.420villages, in the secret places,he murders the innocent. His eyes are62900:41:24.460 --> 00:41:29.539secretly fixed on the helpless. Helies in weight, secretly as a lion63000:41:29.619 --> 00:41:32.690in his den. He lies inwait to catch the poor. He catches63100:41:32.769 --> 00:41:37.250the poor when he draws him intohis net. So he crouches and he63200:41:37.409 --> 00:41:40.489lies low that the helpless may fallby his strength. He is said in63300:41:40.570 --> 00:41:45.289his heart God has forgotten. Hehides his face. He will never see63400:41:45.530 --> 00:41:49.599and we know he will see it. But I did think that they they63500:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.960have told us, the pro abortiongroup, that they don't believe in God63600:41:53.079 --> 00:41:57.559and they don't care. Yeah,but I actually did today on the microphone.63700:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.039It did a show of hands andit was interesting. Yeah, I63800:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.710did that because you know, you'vegot people in the abortion center parking lot63900:42:04.750 --> 00:42:07.030who are waiting on their appointments,right, and many of those people listen.64000:42:07.150 --> 00:42:10.989Statistically, yeah, like it orLumpet, statistically, the vast majority64100:42:12.070 --> 00:42:14.869of people, especially here in thesouth, that are going to an abortion64200:42:14.909 --> 00:42:17.420center, would claim to be Christians. Yes, at least have some kind64300:42:17.420 --> 00:42:21.539of faith. So these are peoplewho have some kind of faith who would64400:42:21.739 --> 00:42:24.099likely be offended if you told themyou didn't believe there was a god.64500:42:24.500 --> 00:42:28.139Right. They would probably defend,and I've talked to a lot of them64600:42:28.179 --> 00:42:30.289there and I know they would.They would defend the idea that there's a64700:42:30.329 --> 00:42:34.409god and they would think you're stupidif you don't believe in God. Right.64800:42:34.610 --> 00:42:36.769So what I did is I kindof use that knowledge that I have64900:42:36.889 --> 00:42:38.650about that and the knowledge that Ihave about these pro abortion people and I65000:42:38.730 --> 00:42:42.690wanted to show a contrast. Andit has to do with trust, it65100:42:42.809 --> 00:42:45.480has to do with. I wantthem to trust what I'm saying is true,65200:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.440not just because it's me, butbecause it's coming from God's word and65300:42:47.519 --> 00:42:51.440and they can check these facts out, because our goal is if they trust65400:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.199us, they will choose life.Yeah, yeah, for their child.65500:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.960I wanted them to see a contrast, right, and so I said I65600:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.789want to show of hands of allyou were standing out here. Who is65700:43:00.829 --> 00:43:05.349an atheist and all of the proabortion poll raise their hands, all of65800:43:05.469 --> 00:43:07.150them. And I springboard off thatand said many of you sitting in the65900:43:07.150 --> 00:43:12.550sparking lot waiting for your abortion,believe in God. Please see that the66000:43:12.630 --> 00:43:15.780people that drove that ushered you intothe drive with it, try to block66100:43:15.860 --> 00:43:17.739you from hearing what we were saying, that try to stop you from getting66200:43:17.739 --> 00:43:22.780our literature, that these people aregutless individuals, they don't know God,66300:43:22.820 --> 00:43:25.980and the God that many of youclaim to belong to they hate and they66400:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.210hate leaving the idea of him.So I was doing a little contrast there,66500:43:30.250 --> 00:43:31.969and I think it can be helpfulto do that again, not letting66600:43:31.969 --> 00:43:35.650these people be the focus, becauseif we let them be the focus,66700:43:36.130 --> 00:43:39.369then we've basically fallen into the trapexactly and so that that goes into the66800:43:39.489 --> 00:43:43.840next main point. How should werespond? And that is a hard question.66900:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.719I think you've touched on it now. You did take some time while67000:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.960you are on the microphone. Wehad already spoken to all the women who67100:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.909were pretty much were already inside thebuilding and so we knew that they had67200:43:55.030 --> 00:44:00.510heard us said as they went inand we had a fairly decent sized team67300:44:00.550 --> 00:44:06.030out there stretched across the sidewalk.But he made a choice at that point.67400:44:06.030 --> 00:44:08.670I'm going to speak really to actuallykind of to those pro abortion people.67500:44:08.710 --> 00:44:14.820But you also did connect that withwith what the mothers needed to hear67600:44:14.860 --> 00:44:17.179who are inside the building. Butwe deal with that as we're out on67700:44:17.219 --> 00:44:21.940the sidewalk. We know there areour enemy, their God's enemy, and67800:44:21.980 --> 00:44:27.969they need the gospel. But howshould we respond? Should we be spending67900:44:28.210 --> 00:44:34.369our time speaking to them or andsharing the Gospel with them, ignoring them?68000:44:35.329 --> 00:44:37.369What? What should we what shouldwe do? Well, I think68100:44:37.449 --> 00:44:42.079in line again with that podcast thatwe did a couple of weeks ago with68200:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.639the three parables in that final parableabout getting distracted and Swat and flies.68300:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.920You know, that's that's wisdom fromthe Lord that we can't let these people68400:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.150be our focus, right, becauseyou know, if you're out there,68500:44:53.190 --> 00:44:55.909especially when there's kind of like alull in the day and there's not a68600:44:55.989 --> 00:45:00.429lot of ability to interact with abortionminded women going into the abortion center,68700:45:00.510 --> 00:45:04.110and these people are allowed and theirbelligerent, you can just because you're bored68800:45:04.510 --> 00:45:07.380and you don't have anybody to talkto. Yeah, you can start getting68900:45:07.380 --> 00:45:10.820in a conversation with them and you'llfind like maybe traffic picks up at the69000:45:10.860 --> 00:45:15.340abortion center and you're focus in aconversation with them and you get distracted from69100:45:15.340 --> 00:45:17.099why you're really there. Yeah,so, you know, understand, if69200:45:17.139 --> 00:45:22.050you're there in front of the abortioncenter and there's just you and some pro69300:45:22.090 --> 00:45:23.449abortion people, you feel like,I don't have anybody to talk to,69400:45:23.489 --> 00:45:25.969you as well talk to this person, right. Well, you do have69500:45:27.090 --> 00:45:29.289someone to talk to. You.You can talk to the Lord. Yeah,69600:45:29.289 --> 00:45:30.690you can be in prayer. Youcan be praying for those MOMS that69700:45:30.730 --> 00:45:34.130are in that abortion center. Youcan be praying for those that are sitting69800:45:34.130 --> 00:45:37.559in their cars. You you justcan't let yourself get distracted with these people.69900:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.599Right. That does not mean,however, at least in my experience,70000:45:40.760 --> 00:45:45.400that you just ignore them all together. They can be appropriate times to70100:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.000talk to them. They need theGospel. And if there's you know,70200:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.389I'll tell you just from experience,though, a little bit of a word70300:45:52.429 --> 00:45:53.750of caution, if they're in agroup together, if there's like three or70400:45:53.789 --> 00:45:59.030four of them, you're just betteroff not engaging right. But if you70500:45:59.110 --> 00:46:02.030can have a oneone conversation with one, it's like that whole group. Think70600:46:02.110 --> 00:46:07.019dynamic this'. There you're not goingto make any headway. I can almost70700:46:07.019 --> 00:46:09.059tell you a hundred percent of thetime. You're not going to make headway70800:46:09.300 --> 00:46:12.579if you talk with them in agroup. But if you have a oneone70900:46:12.619 --> 00:46:15.420conversation, there's an opportunity for thatand such a way that you're not going71000:46:15.420 --> 00:46:17.849to get distracted from why you're there, to reach those women, to say71100:46:17.889 --> 00:46:22.570babies and preach the Gospel, thenyeah, you can have a one on71200:46:22.929 --> 00:46:25.210one conversation with yeah, yeah,and and that tension I think about,71300:46:25.250 --> 00:46:30.409do I talk to I ignore,is is again a biblical tension. The71400:46:30.530 --> 00:46:34.480Bible clearly tells that we are calledto warn those who are wicked, and71500:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.559I and on a wicked path.A great example of that is Zekiel,71600:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.000thirty three, yeah, verse willjust do. Eight, if I say71700:46:40.039 --> 00:46:45.079to the wicked, Oh wicked one, you shall surely die and you do71800:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.469not speak, if you do notspeak to warn the wicked to turn from71900:46:47.469 --> 00:46:51.469his way, that we could personshall die in his iniquity, but his72000:46:51.550 --> 00:46:53.750blood will be required at your hand. So we are we are called to72100:46:53.789 --> 00:46:59.389account if we don't warn. Buton the other hand, the Bible warrants72200:46:59.389 --> 00:47:01.900us against fruitless discussion. Yeah,as in Matthew Seven. Six, don't72300:47:01.900 --> 00:47:07.300give to dogs what is wholly donot throw your pearls before pigs less they72400:47:07.380 --> 00:47:13.139trample them underfoot. So so thattension is there. But but I think72500:47:13.219 --> 00:47:15.809it's so important. In our previouspodcast really talked about it. What is72600:47:15.929 --> 00:47:19.690the main thing? Keep the mainthing, the main thing, the main72700:47:19.769 --> 00:47:23.769thing for our ministry is speaking forthe unborn, and really that should be72800:47:23.809 --> 00:47:29.050our focus and and that's how weovercome all of those do well, you72900:47:29.130 --> 00:47:32.000know in that that Matthew Chapter Seven. But yeah, it actually goes on73000:47:32.119 --> 00:47:37.159to say not only will they tramplethe pearls underfoot, but it says they'll73100:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.320turn around and tear you up toright. So you have to be careful.73200:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.079If you can engage with a groupof these pro abortion people. Yeah,73300:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.670you're going to find that they're notjust going to trample what you're saying73400:47:45.750 --> 00:47:50.349underfoot. When you're sharing with themabout the love of God and Jesus and73500:47:50.750 --> 00:47:52.949His death, Bury on resurrection andall of that, you're sharing about abortion73600:47:53.030 --> 00:47:55.949and the violence that abortion commits.Not only are they going to take those73700:47:55.989 --> 00:48:00.139truths and just cast them underfoot,right, but a lot of times they're73800:48:00.139 --> 00:48:02.980going to come around tear you upright right. You're going to suffer loss73900:48:04.139 --> 00:48:07.940yourself. So God will give uswisdom sometimes just to ignore them, and74000:48:07.099 --> 00:48:10.380that is my primary method of rightthese people right, and that is what74100:48:10.539 --> 00:48:15.010we train. Aren't most of ourmost of our new, especially new counselors,74200:48:15.010 --> 00:48:17.969but really all our counselors in ingeneral. We say it is truly74300:48:19.090 --> 00:48:22.289best to ignore them. Yeah,I know we've gone on a long time.74400:48:22.369 --> 00:48:27.639There's one last one. Can wecoexist and if so, how?74500:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.440And so I'm going to read aproverbs and maybe maybe you can talk about74600:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.480that in the light of that question. And okay, so proverb sixteen seven,74700:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.199I think, paints a beautiful pictureof harmony which finally develops between the74800:48:38.320 --> 00:48:43.750enemies of God, which ultimately Imean we do want harmony. We don't74900:48:43.869 --> 00:48:50.550want to ever compromise with evil,but we also don't want to destroy harmony.75000:48:50.630 --> 00:48:53.110That he's a lost constant contention.We're supposed to be peace people of75100:48:53.190 --> 00:48:58.579peace. So so that proverb sayswhen a man's ways please the Lord,75200:48:59.099 --> 00:49:02.380he makes even his enemies to beat peace. Yeah, with him.75300:49:02.420 --> 00:49:07.260I think there's a couple really importantlike yeah, absolutely, we not just75400:49:07.380 --> 00:49:12.929scare a personal story. You remember, some years back one of the pro75500:49:12.969 --> 00:49:16.929abortion ladies who was really vile andreally difficult. Yeah, I don't say75600:49:16.969 --> 00:49:20.130her name, but I think theyeven kicked her out, didn't they?75700:49:20.170 --> 00:49:23.130Yeah, the abortion ended up evenfor that. Let me tell you,75800:49:23.250 --> 00:49:27.079she was a formidable foe. Shewas. She was a real hinder.75900:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.480Yeah, and there was a point, though, however, as I was76000:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.719praying for her and praying, youknow what the Lord would have me to76100:49:32.760 --> 00:49:36.840do? Shout out. Should Ijust ignore her completely? Should continue to76200:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.469speak truth to her? And it'slike the Lord said, well, buy76300:49:39.510 --> 00:49:43.989or something. Yeah, Byre andwhat I ended up now, listen,76400:49:44.150 --> 00:49:46.789guys, I don't I don't dealwith starbucks. It's a wicked company,76500:49:46.989 --> 00:49:51.750right, but I did overhear hertalking to one of her pro abortion friends76600:49:51.750 --> 00:49:54.539about how she really liked something fromstarbucks. Yeah, and I said,76700:49:54.619 --> 00:49:59.460Lord, is it okay that Icompromise this standard to bless this woman and76800:50:00.019 --> 00:50:04.059just see what God does? Okay, so I did. Actually was driving76900:50:04.099 --> 00:50:07.130the mobile ultra sound unit that Saturdayand I stopped by starbucks on the way77000:50:07.130 --> 00:50:12.250to the abortion clinic, got hera card, Gift Card, yeah,77100:50:12.570 --> 00:50:15.369and gave it to her. UhHuh. And this woman who's normally vile77200:50:15.570 --> 00:50:20.769and and really weak in person,yeah, gives me a Hugo, really77300:50:20.809 --> 00:50:22.880uncomfortables with you. Yeah, andthis is this is some years ago.77400:50:23.079 --> 00:50:28.639But okay, okay, he makeseven his enemies to be at peace,77500:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.800and there was a sense of peaceafter that. Right now, ultimately,77600:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.670sadly, she kind of went backinto her old ways, but there was77700:50:36.750 --> 00:50:40.630a bridge, yeah, that waskind of stretched across that chasm for that77800:50:40.789 --> 00:50:45.429moment. For that moment, foractually a couple of weeks right now,77900:50:45.590 --> 00:50:47.349I did not in any way.They were there. Were there was no78000:50:47.510 --> 00:50:52.260way she can miss. You construethat as me being okay with her stance,78100:50:52.420 --> 00:50:54.619right, because she knew where USdid right, and I did not78200:50:54.699 --> 00:51:00.659compromise truth. You know what,sometimes the way to somebody's heart is through78300:51:00.699 --> 00:51:06.090their stomach, right. And Iblessed her and it brought peace through an78400:51:06.210 --> 00:51:08.730active kindness, through an active kindthe one that I remembered that you did.78500:51:09.250 --> 00:51:12.969I think it was you that spearhead. Spearheaded that. There was a78600:51:13.690 --> 00:51:20.079another very, very vile pro abortionperson who I think was kicked out from78700:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.440the group. Yeah, and andshe wanted to go home and home was78800:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.320far away, like across the country, and she didn't have the funds to78900:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.400get home and we raised the Fund, caught win of a Gofund me that79000:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.829she had out there somehow. Idon't know the Lord. I guess Yes79100:51:34.150 --> 00:51:37.909to that. But yeah, itwas pro choice or a pro choice prolife79200:51:37.989 --> 00:51:40.949people that rallied around that and wesaid, and I guess it was kind79300:51:40.989 --> 00:51:44.030of like a win win, right, is they're going to give a lot79400:51:44.070 --> 00:51:45.710of money. Is probably was possible, but it was out of kindness.79500:51:45.750 --> 00:51:50.860You wasn't. That wasn't the motivation. Motivation was to be a kind act79600:51:51.019 --> 00:51:54.019towards an enemy and who knows whereit may lead because ultimately, again,79700:51:54.300 --> 00:51:58.099our goal is that she would turnto the Lord and if she sees the79800:51:58.179 --> 00:52:00.489kindness of his people, maybe shewill. Yeah. Well, one of79900:52:00.530 --> 00:52:04.610the comments in that go fund me, you know you can put comments there,80000:52:05.570 --> 00:52:07.730or is like on her facebook orsomething, was like wow, I80100:52:07.809 --> 00:52:10.690can't believe this. She was shewas taken aback right by the fact that80200:52:10.769 --> 00:52:17.320these prolifers rallied around and gave moneyto help her to get with her family80300:52:17.559 --> 00:52:21.119where she wanted to go. So, you know, the Lord uses that80400:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.239kind of stuff and the Lord cangive you wisdom and the Lord can give80500:52:23.239 --> 00:52:28.880you grace to reach these people,to bridge that divide again without getting distracted,80600:52:28.960 --> 00:52:30.710without getting off course, because that'swhat they want to do. Those80700:52:30.789 --> 00:52:35.469d's that we talked about. Yeah, they want to discourage distract this.80800:52:36.030 --> 00:52:43.070But what's what's good? That demoralizeddefend their their point of view. And80900:52:43.349 --> 00:52:45.820you know, we've talked about allof these negatives of them being out there,81000:52:45.900 --> 00:52:50.059but I think we always love toend on a positive and, and81100:52:50.179 --> 00:52:52.500this is something that I discovered inall of my years out there, and81200:52:52.500 --> 00:52:58.420maybe you've discovered it as well,is that I I know longer necessarily look81300:52:58.460 --> 00:53:07.530at them as opposition but kind ofalmost as an opportunity and opportunity to to81400:53:07.690 --> 00:53:10.449first of all, learn to focusmore clearly on God and and on our81500:53:10.489 --> 00:53:15.760mission. And when they raise apoint, sometimes they honestly do raise good81600:53:15.880 --> 00:53:20.400points, and when they do tooand I don't know the answer, I81700:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.239don't know how to defend my faithin that particular instance, to go home81800:53:24.360 --> 00:53:30.750and learn more. That has happenedcountless times and it has never harmed my81900:53:30.869 --> 00:53:35.630faith. That has always increased myfaith and I think that that principle is82000:53:35.750 --> 00:53:37.630in count it all joy when youencounter trials. YEA, in the book82100:53:37.630 --> 00:53:43.380of James, because because that bringsus to a greater understanding of God and82200:53:43.659 --> 00:53:47.420and closer to God. And soI think that that's a good perspective for82300:53:49.420 --> 00:53:52.940it took me many years to gainthat, but I think it's useful for82400:53:52.139 --> 00:53:57.289other counselors probably as well. orit could be that if you look at82500:53:57.369 --> 00:54:00.610what you're facing, when you're facingthese people making fun of you, trying82600:54:00.610 --> 00:54:02.969to distract you, whatever look atit. You look at it as an82700:54:04.050 --> 00:54:08.449opportunity that God has set before youto to show the peace of God and82800:54:08.610 --> 00:54:14.320to show your focus on what Godhas called you and to remain faithful to82900:54:14.480 --> 00:54:20.000that. Yeah, absolutely absolutely wellwith that. Will wrap this thing up.83000:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.800Appreciate you guys listening. We hopethis podcast was a blessing to you.83100:54:23.389 --> 00:54:28.429We hope that you again will leavea review to help counteract some of83200:54:28.469 --> 00:54:31.349the pro abortion trolls that have puttheir reviews out on our podcast. But83300:54:32.309 --> 00:54:36.150we want you to reach out tous too if there are subjects that you83400:54:36.230 --> 00:54:38.460want us to cover, if thereare things that you had issues with as83500:54:38.500 --> 00:54:43.659we talked through this podcast, orstruggles that you personally have in ministry and83600:54:43.699 --> 00:54:45.460stuff like that, we'd certainly bewilling to help you. We'd certainly be83700:54:45.539 --> 00:54:50.059willing to encourage you or whatever,but you can reach out to me deep83800:54:50.139 --> 00:54:53.210parks, at cities for Lifecom,her is Vcassy, org at cities for83900:54:53.289 --> 00:54:57.809lifecom. Go to our sidewalks forlife websites. I walks, the number84000:54:57.809 --> 00:55:01.210four lifecom. We're actually going toput this article out and so it should84100:55:01.210 --> 00:55:05.929be out there when this podcast rollsout. We appreciate you guys listening.84200:55:05.969 --> 00:55:17.000Until next time, God bless giveme love for love, give me our84300:55:17.320 --> 00:55:30.389loft for gratitude. I know itwill cost me my life. Nothing's too84400:55:30.630 --> 00:55:31.829precious. And some met you