Jan. 6, 2022

Counter Intuitive Things We Have Learned

Counter Intuitive Things We Have Learned

Over the years in being involved in sidewalk ministry we’ve had some experiences that taught us that what we previously believed was incorrect. In this episode we want to share a few of those things and offer some encouragement and Biblical insights to help equip you.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.080 I think this, as far as our tone can really be a manifestation of 2 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.150 what's in our hearts. And so if you show up at the abortion center 3 00:00:07.269 --> 00:00:11.029 on a consistent basis and you've got an angry tone, you've got an accusatory 4 00:00:11.109 --> 00:00:13.869 tone, I think it's time to get in the presence of the Lord and 5 00:00:13.949 --> 00:00:16.269 see if there's some things in my heart, Lord that I need to get 6 00:00:16.309 --> 00:00:22.059 right with you. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, 7 00:00:22.620 --> 00:00:27.660 and me, Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm 8 00:00:28.100 --> 00:00:32.579 welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, 9 00:00:33.219 --> 00:00:37.729 encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry and always were the focus on the 10 00:00:37.770 --> 00:00:49.049 Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use 11 00:00:49.250 --> 00:00:56.039 Me. Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys 12 00:00:56.079 --> 00:01:03.240 joining us and this is being recorded in two thousand and twenty one, actually 13 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:07.670 the ladder days, the latter days of two thousand and twenty one, but 14 00:01:07.790 --> 00:01:11.670 should come out in the early days of two thousand and twenty two. So 15 00:01:11.829 --> 00:01:15.950 we hope that you guys had a blessed Christmas. Hope you guys had a 16 00:01:15.030 --> 00:01:21.620 blessed New Year and we hope that this podcast episode will be an encouragement to 17 00:01:21.700 --> 00:01:25.659 you as we speak from some experiences, some of the things that we've learned. 18 00:01:25.739 --> 00:01:30.099 And that's going to be the title of this maybe maybe I'll twee the 19 00:01:30.140 --> 00:01:32.540 title a bit before I put it out there, but this is kind of 20 00:01:32.540 --> 00:01:37.810 the title we're rolling with as we're recording this. counterintuitive things we have learned, 21 00:01:38.329 --> 00:01:42.730 right, and we may need to break down what that means, because 22 00:01:42.730 --> 00:01:47.010 I don't really know what the word counterintuitive means. Oh dear, okay, 23 00:01:47.090 --> 00:01:49.239 well, we'll try and educate everybody that. Yeah, actually, not just 24 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:56.480 Daniel. Yeah, I'm not as dumb as some people think. It's that 25 00:01:56.599 --> 00:02:00.599 don't know what that means. So we're going to talk about some of the 26 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.469 things that we've learned over the years, some of the things counterintuitively, some 27 00:02:04.590 --> 00:02:07.510 of the things you think, hmm, maybe you should do this, maybe 28 00:02:07.510 --> 00:02:09.990 you should do that, but you find actually that's not very productive. It's 29 00:02:10.030 --> 00:02:15.900 counter productive right, and so things that you would think are one way we're 30 00:02:15.060 --> 00:02:19.379 thinking. We've learned those things are a little different. So some of these 31 00:02:19.379 --> 00:02:22.020 points are going to be counterintuitive and some of them maybe you're going to just 32 00:02:22.099 --> 00:02:24.780 be common sense. For you. Right, but it's things that we learned 33 00:02:24.979 --> 00:02:30.409 nonetheless, and we hope that, rather than making your own mistakes on the 34 00:02:30.490 --> 00:02:34.370 sidewalk, you can let us make them for you and you can learn learn 35 00:02:34.490 --> 00:02:36.770 from us. What do you think about that? I think it's good. 36 00:02:36.889 --> 00:02:39.009 In fact, the first point that we're going to make as a mistake that 37 00:02:39.169 --> 00:02:44.090 I made, I think, just a few days ago. I've been out 38 00:02:44.129 --> 00:02:49.039 here for nine years. So sometimes we don't learn from our Vicki, I 39 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:53.680 don't make mistakes, they're just happy accidents. Oh, okay, yes, 40 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:58.120 that's what. What's the gay? The painter with the Oh, with the 41 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:00.710 big Afro? Yeah, I can I remember his name. I don't remember 42 00:03:00.710 --> 00:03:05.229 it. Bob Something. See, then, this is how sm where we 43 00:03:05.270 --> 00:03:09.069 are. And he said you just make happy accidents. So okay, yeah, 44 00:03:09.189 --> 00:03:12.830 let's lead to it. So we'll turn some of our happy accidents, 45 00:03:13.060 --> 00:03:17.099 some of our mistakes, into teaching moments for all of you guys. That's 46 00:03:17.099 --> 00:03:21.860 right. And you guys can maybe shoot me an email and let me know 47 00:03:21.979 --> 00:03:24.219 what that guy's name is. Who I should know absolutely. It is what 48 00:03:24.419 --> 00:03:28.729 I'm in. It's Bob someone. Yeah, it is, but I can't 49 00:03:28.770 --> 00:03:30.530 think of it right now. So maybe by the end of this episode I'll 50 00:03:30.569 --> 00:03:35.129 just chime in and say this is the guys name. Me and my kids 51 00:03:35.169 --> 00:03:38.729 used to watch that guy together. I used to watch him. Anyway, 52 00:03:38.889 --> 00:03:42.680 that's not what this podcast is about. It's about sidewalk ministrying. So let's 53 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.919 go through. What are some of the counterintuitive things that we've learned, or 54 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.439 maybe some of the common sense things that we've learned over the years that we 55 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.639 feel like would help and encourage people that are involved in this ministry. Yeah, 56 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:58.909 well, I'll tell you the little story that led to the first point 57 00:03:59.030 --> 00:04:02.389 that we're going to make, which is that the importance of timing is critical. 58 00:04:02.550 --> 00:04:06.389 Yeah, speaking to Tommy. Oh what Bob Ross? But yes, 59 00:04:08.509 --> 00:04:13.580 yeah, that's the guys name. Okay, you're absolutely correct about my timing. 60 00:04:13.620 --> 00:04:15.100 Could have been better on that, because you're trying to make a point 61 00:04:15.180 --> 00:04:18.300 here and I just chimmed in for something that has nothing to do with what 62 00:04:18.379 --> 00:04:21.019 you're saying. Yeah, so it was the right thing, but at the 63 00:04:21.100 --> 00:04:27.689 wrong time, which is exactly which is exactly the point. So the little 64 00:04:27.769 --> 00:04:32.610 story is a person stopped car side, in fact two in a row stopped 65 00:04:32.730 --> 00:04:36.410 car side up the street, which doesn't happen all that often, but it 66 00:04:36.529 --> 00:04:42.199 was my lucky day and both of them were willing to engage, at least 67 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:46.839 for a little while. Yeah, and the first one, I talked with 68 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:51.800 her for a little while and then it felt like it was time to say, 69 00:04:53.230 --> 00:04:56.829 what would God have you do? And at that moment she nudged her 70 00:04:56.870 --> 00:05:00.990 boyfriend in the side and say get out of here. Yeah, and and 71 00:05:00.350 --> 00:05:03.629 drove it into the abortion center. You would think I would have learned after 72 00:05:03.670 --> 00:05:08.220 after that. But then the next car comes along and the very different. 73 00:05:08.379 --> 00:05:12.699 That woman was already crying. She pulled over, she wouldn't look at me. 74 00:05:12.899 --> 00:05:15.980 She was with another woman and she's looking straight ahead and she's obviously very 75 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:18.980 upset. I just said, look, you don't want to do this. 76 00:05:19.019 --> 00:05:23.569 It's very clear that you don't want to do this, and she was listening 77 00:05:23.649 --> 00:05:28.769 and I started telling about our resources and, in my defense, at that 78 00:05:28.930 --> 00:05:32.089 moment one of the pro abortion people came running over, screaming at her to 79 00:05:32.170 --> 00:05:38.120 drive in on into the abortion center, and you could tell she was like 80 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.920 getting tense, getting plustered, and so kind of as a last resort, 81 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.680 because I thought I'm going to lose her anyway. She's about to drive away 82 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.350 because of this pro abortion person telling her to do so. So I said 83 00:05:49.350 --> 00:05:53.709 again, what would I asked? I had already asked her, do you 84 00:05:53.829 --> 00:05:58.389 believe in the Lord? She nodded, and then I said, well, 85 00:05:58.470 --> 00:06:01.110 what would God have you do? As the PROPORT is standing there screaming at 86 00:06:01.149 --> 00:06:06.540 her, and she she looked like she was about to choke back really choke 87 00:06:06.660 --> 00:06:12.660 back sobs and then drove forward and I saw her slow down. I thought 88 00:06:12.699 --> 00:06:16.100 she was going to keep going and she ended up turning into the abortion center. 89 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:21.850 So I just really I don't beat myself up. I realized that the 90 00:06:21.970 --> 00:06:26.569 Holy Spirit needs to do his thing and and I do my thing, which 91 00:06:26.569 --> 00:06:29.329 is obedient to his call, and I do my best at the moment. 92 00:06:29.810 --> 00:06:33.759 But I do analyze in both those cases, should I have held off? 93 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:41.399 It was the timing of that statement not quite the right time? Should I 94 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:46.199 have paused, told more about the resources, talked more about the grief that, 95 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.870 especially with the second one, right, that she was clearly feeling. 96 00:06:51.310 --> 00:06:56.310 And so the the first thing is we all need to be aware of the 97 00:06:56.470 --> 00:07:00.990 timing. You can say the right thing at the wrong time and have it 98 00:07:00.110 --> 00:07:04.259 be counter productive. Yeah, yeah, I know. Just for you guys 99 00:07:04.339 --> 00:07:10.980 listening. I do want to strongly discourage you from walking on eggshells and always 100 00:07:11.019 --> 00:07:14.300 being fearful that you're going to say the wrong thing at the wrong time. 101 00:07:15.220 --> 00:07:18.730 Right, to speak God's word and really to put the results in God's hands 102 00:07:18.850 --> 00:07:23.410 is what we've always taught you, guys, what we've always encourage you speak 103 00:07:23.490 --> 00:07:26.649 the truth of God's word, put the results in God's hands. However, 104 00:07:27.290 --> 00:07:30.519 there there is timing. They're in every situation can be different too. So 105 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.600 that's why I'm you know, I'm not going to give you. We're not 106 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:34.680 going to be able to give you. Here's the perfect time to say this. 107 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:39.759 Here's a perfect time to say that. I think probably more than anything, 108 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:43.639 just knowing that timing does matter. Right as that, if you're you're 109 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.110 in the kind of the chain of a conversation, stringing one thought to another, 110 00:07:47.189 --> 00:07:50.670 thought to another thought, that it's really best for us to hold back 111 00:07:50.829 --> 00:07:57.310 those kind of stinging statements for kind of the very last yeah, I think 112 00:07:57.310 --> 00:08:00.339 that's probably timing. There's a scripture here that comes to mind. I quote 113 00:08:00.339 --> 00:08:01.779 it off and actually, you guys, if you've listened to this podcast or 114 00:08:01.819 --> 00:08:07.660 an amount of time, you've probably heard me quote this so proverbs twenty seven, 115 00:08:07.779 --> 00:08:11.339 verse fourteen, he who blesses his friend with a loud voice, rising 116 00:08:11.379 --> 00:08:16.089 early in the morning, it will be counted a curse to him. So 117 00:08:18.050 --> 00:08:20.050 it's talking about the blessing, like you want to bless your friend. It's 118 00:08:20.089 --> 00:08:24.490 like going to your friend's house at four o'clock in the morning, I love 119 00:08:24.610 --> 00:08:28.639 you, you're my best friend, and with all the love that you have 120 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.600 for your friend in your heart, saying this loudly early in the morning. 121 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:37.360 So the loud voice, the timing, early in the morning, Oh that's 122 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.429 not that's a no Goo for your friend. He's going to receive it as 123 00:08:41.470 --> 00:08:45.429 a curse. You're cursing him actually, even though your intentions are well and 124 00:08:45.549 --> 00:08:48.789 so I think again, rather than just walking on eggshells and always being fearful, 125 00:08:48.830 --> 00:08:52.029 because this is one of the things that keeps people from the sidewalk is 126 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:56.899 they're afraid they're going to say the wrong thing or something. So we don't 127 00:08:56.940 --> 00:09:00.059 want any of that. But I think what we do, would encourage you 128 00:09:00.059 --> 00:09:03.419 guys to be doing, is to analyze, like if you say something and 129 00:09:03.580 --> 00:09:07.980 it has a particular effect, let's let's say you say, what would God 130 00:09:07.059 --> 00:09:11.289 have you to do? And you see a consistent pattern of it just shuts 131 00:09:11.330 --> 00:09:15.610 the conversation down, then it's probably good to reassess should I be saying that 132 00:09:15.850 --> 00:09:18.929 particular thing at that time. Yeah, I do think that's a good statement. 133 00:09:18.970 --> 00:09:20.889 I do think what we gotta have you to do. To me, 134 00:09:22.090 --> 00:09:26.000 it's it's, in my mind at least, one of those statements that kind 135 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:31.320 of last minute before they're going into the door of the abortion center, that 136 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.480 I'm going to give out what would God have you to do, because it 137 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.830 will hopefully provoke in them the fault of really what God have be doing by 138 00:09:39.950 --> 00:09:43.350 doing what honors the Lord in those car side scenarios. For me personally, 139 00:09:43.710 --> 00:09:46.909 I want to try to be as relational as possible. I want to be 140 00:09:48.230 --> 00:09:52.789 as much of obviously bringing God into the conversation right off the bat. This 141 00:09:52.899 --> 00:09:56.820 idea that we don't mention God, we don't mention religion or Jesus until like 142 00:09:56.139 --> 00:10:01.379 the very last is absurd. Okay, we should mention Jesus. He's on 143 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:05.940 the forefront of their minds. We're talking what they're already thinking, because even 144 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:09.250 if they don't believe in God, they're still thinking about what God really wants 145 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:13.889 them to do. Yeah, but making it more relational rather than just because 146 00:10:15.169 --> 00:10:20.049 in reality that statement is more of an accusation than it is really a question. 147 00:10:20.210 --> 00:10:24.080 That question is really a statement of accusation that it really is a question, 148 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.240 although we hope that it provokes thought and a response, not just to 149 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.679 US really, but to themselves, between them and God, you know. 150 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.909 Yeah, so again, don't want you guys to be fearful of saying the 151 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:41.230 wrong thing, but just reflective of what could be, as far as timing 152 00:10:41.389 --> 00:10:45.110 is concerned, the right time to say whatever it might be. Yeah, 153 00:10:45.429 --> 00:10:48.509 yeah, and actually our second point, which is about adoption. Most of 154 00:10:48.590 --> 00:10:54.059 these points are things that we hear from New People and frequently they'll say, 155 00:10:54.100 --> 00:10:56.899 do you ever talk about adoption? Yeah, Oh gee, we never thought 156 00:10:56.940 --> 00:11:00.980 of it. Wow, because I bad you came along and mention that, 157 00:11:01.059 --> 00:11:05.610 because we never thought about talking about adoption. But overwhelmingly the timing of when 158 00:11:05.649 --> 00:11:09.850 you mentioned adoption. It's not that we never mentioned it, but it is 159 00:11:09.970 --> 00:11:15.169 a it's a conversation shopper, especially if it's early on in the conversation, 160 00:11:15.250 --> 00:11:18.240 if you have exhausted everything and they've said, I did have one mom who 161 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.440 we came to this point and she just said, I just don't want this 162 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.639 baby, I cannot parent this baby. Yeah, well then, I then 163 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.159 I brought up adoption. It was still an no. She didn't take me 164 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:31.870 up on it so at all. And and I don't know that I can 165 00:11:31.909 --> 00:11:37.710 remember even a single person ever that I know of that I've personally counseled who 166 00:11:37.710 --> 00:11:43.070 has chosen adoption. Yeah, so, knowing that the timing and the mentioning 167 00:11:43.309 --> 00:11:48.539 of adoption is usually a conversation stop her dead. Matter of fact, if 168 00:11:48.580 --> 00:11:54.059 you want one thing that would stop your conversation dead in its tracks for the 169 00:11:54.100 --> 00:11:58.940 most part, then mention adoption right because most of the time that's going to 170 00:12:00.019 --> 00:12:03.169 just shut the conversation down, especially, I know, within the black community, 171 00:12:03.169 --> 00:12:07.169 and we talked about this with Jessicamlin, who runs option, adoption, 172 00:12:07.289 --> 00:12:11.889 adoption resource. In the black community, adoption is stigmatized in a lot of 173 00:12:11.929 --> 00:12:16.559 ways. Hey, and in many communities, not just the black community but 174 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.840 many communities just in general, adoption and foster care are equated with one another. 175 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.919 It's like you're saying the same thing. That's what they hear. Now, 176 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.360 obviously we know that falster care and adoption or two different things, and 177 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.830 we know the differences. But for many of these women you got to think 178 00:12:31.830 --> 00:12:33.909 again, in the mindset of a young lady who's scared and got all this 179 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.870 chaos going on our life for her to do really in her mind break down 180 00:12:37.870 --> 00:12:41.590 the differences. And you try to break down the differences and all this stuff. 181 00:12:41.629 --> 00:12:45.259 It's just it's not it's not a realistic scenario that you're going to be 182 00:12:45.259 --> 00:12:46.460 able to break all that down. They're going to be able to pass through 183 00:12:46.460 --> 00:12:50.539 all of the differences between falster care and adoption and all that stuff. And 184 00:12:52.779 --> 00:12:56.340 somebody asked me this is a while back because I talked about how we don't 185 00:12:56.340 --> 00:12:58.610 mention adoption. You know, when the new people come out, first thing 186 00:12:58.649 --> 00:13:03.370 they say you guys, you've ever thought of mention an adoption offering to adopt 187 00:13:03.370 --> 00:13:07.129 their baby? It's like, Oh yeah, he said, but you came 188 00:13:07.129 --> 00:13:09.809 along, we never thought of course we thought of that, right, but 189 00:13:09.929 --> 00:13:16.919 we don't mention that because it's a conversation stopper and you know you're asking. 190 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.360 This is kind of the way I explained it to this one person who said 191 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:26.230 won't you mention adoption? Is You're really asking someone who's going into a place, 192 00:13:26.230 --> 00:13:30.909 a mother, the about to do one of the most selfish things she 193 00:13:30.990 --> 00:13:35.350 could possibly do to protect herself. Right, all right, by killing her 194 00:13:35.350 --> 00:13:39.190 baby. You know, are quotes. Protect herself. That's the mentality a 195 00:13:39.309 --> 00:13:41.860 lot of times to handle her situation, to take care of her, to 196 00:13:43.379 --> 00:13:46.379 do you. You know she's she's going in to take care of herself. 197 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:48.460 Look out for number one, one of the most selfish things you could do, 198 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:52.419 abortion. And you're asking her to go from that, from abortion, 199 00:13:52.659 --> 00:13:54.419 one of the most selfish things you can do, to one of the most 200 00:13:54.419 --> 00:13:58.490 selfless things a mom could do, which is place her baby with another family 201 00:14:00.129 --> 00:14:03.049 that could take care of her child, and she can't. That's one of 202 00:14:03.129 --> 00:14:05.289 those selfless things that a mother can do. Yeah, and you're asking her 203 00:14:05.370 --> 00:14:09.799 to go from zero to a thousand, and so it's it's a no go 204 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:13.879 a lot of times. Yeah, also, I will say, develop a 205 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.159 relationship, and sometimes that has happened where I remember counseling a woman for months 206 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.519 and at the she's almost ready to give birth and at that point she was 207 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.629 ready to hear about adoption, interestingly enough, although once the baby was born, 208 00:14:26.750 --> 00:14:28.870 she immediately changed back to know she would parent the child. Yeah, 209 00:14:30.230 --> 00:14:33.269 which happens a lot. It does, which I will say, and this 210 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:35.070 is you guys, go back and listen to the episode that we did with 211 00:14:35.110 --> 00:14:39.379 Jessica Maulan where she talked about this. I think it's a very important episode, 212 00:14:39.379 --> 00:14:43.779 yeah, for everyone to listen to, because I've seen people in front 213 00:14:43.779 --> 00:14:46.899 of the abortion centers yelling will adopt your baby, will adopt your baby, 214 00:14:46.940 --> 00:14:50.860 and they're like wondering why no one's taking them up on that offer. Right, 215 00:14:52.500 --> 00:14:56.409 it's because, again, that kind of whole selfishness, selflessness scenario. 216 00:14:56.730 --> 00:15:00.330 And then I will say to again, with that stigma about adoption and foster 217 00:15:00.450 --> 00:15:03.730 care within the black community and especially at Latrobe, the abortion centers in Charlotte, 218 00:15:03.850 --> 00:15:07.080 most of the women that go in our African American most are black women. 219 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:13.919 And when you're out there, upper middle class white person yelling out to 220 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.360 a young lady who's black, who you know is really looking at you, 221 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.990 is here this upple minute upper middle class white person telling them when you say 222 00:15:22.389 --> 00:15:26.269 I'll adopt your baby, you're basically saying, Hey, young black lady, 223 00:15:26.269 --> 00:15:28.149 you can't take care of your kid, let me, a rich white person, 224 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:31.230 take care your guys. Like, how's that sound? Right? That's 225 00:15:31.269 --> 00:15:33.669 not what we imply yeah, but a lot of time that's what's being heard 226 00:15:33.789 --> 00:15:37.899 and we need to understand that. Yeah, and so really, if we 227 00:15:37.980 --> 00:15:41.059 are mentioning an option, it's going to be at the tail end of the 228 00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:48.019 conversation. It's going to be when all almost they're convinced that abortion is the 229 00:15:48.059 --> 00:15:50.330 wrong thing, but they don't really see any other option. They really can't 230 00:15:50.370 --> 00:15:56.330 pair at the child. When they can't pair that child, obviously adoption should 231 00:15:56.330 --> 00:15:58.409 be an option for them. Right. Yeah, there's ways to do it. 232 00:15:58.570 --> 00:16:03.250 There's ministries option adoption is one of those that we connect with that can 233 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.440 help make that connection. But something we've learned is that it's definitely not a 234 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:15.279 conversation starter, it's a conversation stopper. Yeah, for sure that. The 235 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:18.149 next point is that your tone matters, and in that that verse that you 236 00:16:18.190 --> 00:16:22.590 quoted that really talks about that, because he's spoken a loud voice. Now, 237 00:16:22.110 --> 00:16:26.669 I guess loud isn't necessarily tone, but it can be. Yeah, 238 00:16:26.710 --> 00:16:32.029 but if you've got an angry, bitter, loud, nasty tone, it 239 00:16:32.350 --> 00:16:37.659 again you. This is not going to draw people to you. So if 240 00:16:37.700 --> 00:16:42.740 you have self righteous anchor in your heart, as you are, as you're 241 00:16:42.779 --> 00:16:48.769 calling out to the women, then that's going to be communicated. That's what 242 00:16:48.850 --> 00:16:51.850 they're going to here and they are not going to come and talk to you. 243 00:16:52.450 --> 00:16:55.330 So you again, you can say the right thing, not only at 244 00:16:55.370 --> 00:17:00.529 the wrong time, but also in with the wrong tone. Yeah, and 245 00:17:00.610 --> 00:17:03.160 if you say the right thing with the wrong tone, they don't hear the 246 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.640 right thing. What they connect with this the tone. Yeah, absolutely. 247 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.680 You can talk about how how bad abortion is, you can talk about you 248 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.549 can talk about the resources that are available and do it in an angry, 249 00:17:15.589 --> 00:17:19.910 accusatory tone. Tone, you could say something like we have resources available for 250 00:17:21.109 --> 00:17:22.829 you and you think about that. Why don't you just come and talk with 251 00:17:22.910 --> 00:17:26.630 that? Yeah, everything you need to think about. We have resources available 252 00:17:26.670 --> 00:17:30.299 for you once you's come and talk to us. How does that sound? 253 00:17:30.339 --> 00:17:33.660 Versus we have resources available for you, would you please just come and talk 254 00:17:33.700 --> 00:17:38.059 to us? Like that's more inviting. Right, one tone. I mean 255 00:17:38.140 --> 00:17:41.980 just think about just the inflection, just the tone itself. Sounded accusatory. 256 00:17:42.019 --> 00:17:47.009 Yeah, when I change it a little bit, same words, it sounded 257 00:17:47.089 --> 00:17:49.250 more inviting. Yeah, it's our tone. Yeah, can set the tone, 258 00:17:49.289 --> 00:17:53.170 even an angry tone. We would come across as I mean you can 259 00:17:53.250 --> 00:17:56.930 say, yeah, say something like this, young lady. Abortion is murder. 260 00:17:57.250 --> 00:18:00.799 It destroyed is the life of your baby. Like that sounds to me, 261 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:04.440 you tell me, like a loving way to say you're about to murder 262 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:11.160 your kid. It's giving a pleading, pleading voice, speaking the truth. 263 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.349 Yes, opposed to yeah, I mean, if I were to say, 264 00:18:14.829 --> 00:18:17.509 and Letty, abortion is murder, why don't you just come and talk to 265 00:18:17.589 --> 00:18:21.069 us, you know, it's like yeah, there's like an accusatory tone. 266 00:18:21.150 --> 00:18:25.710 Yeah, same words, but the tone and inflection in your voice can mean 267 00:18:25.869 --> 00:18:30.779 a lot. Yeah, now I think again, not. We don't want 268 00:18:30.779 --> 00:18:33.380 you guys walking on eggshells, always afraid you're going to use the wrong tone. 269 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:40.579 But just being conscious of that, I think our tone actually, you 270 00:18:40.700 --> 00:18:44.130 know, Jesus said from the depths of the heart, the mouth speaks. 271 00:18:44.529 --> 00:18:48.289 If we show up at the abortion center thinking that we're better than them and 272 00:18:48.490 --> 00:18:52.450 that we got it all together and we need to set them straight, that 273 00:18:53.569 --> 00:18:56.519 we're the children of God and they're the wicked, and we show up with 274 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:02.400 this attitude of somehow we're better than them rather than an attitude of humility before 275 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.160 the Lord, then that will come across in our tone. That's my so 276 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:10.069 important. That we ourselves be before the Lord in prayer, that we are 277 00:19:10.109 --> 00:19:12.549 seeking God, that we see the truth of who we are in the side 278 00:19:12.589 --> 00:19:17.230 of a holy God, and also, of course, we experience his mercy, 279 00:19:17.390 --> 00:19:21.710 his kindness toward us, then we're able to come with mercy and kindness 280 00:19:21.710 --> 00:19:23.819 toward others. So I think this, as far as our tone can really 281 00:19:23.859 --> 00:19:29.059 be a manifestation of what's in our hearts. And so if you show about 282 00:19:29.059 --> 00:19:32.660 the abortion center on a consistent basis and you get an angry tone, you've 283 00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:36.019 got an accusatory tone. I think it's time to get in the presence of 284 00:19:36.059 --> 00:19:37.339 the Lord and see other's some things in my heart, Lord, that I 285 00:19:37.420 --> 00:19:41.329 need to get right with you. I so agree with that. That kind 286 00:19:41.329 --> 00:19:45.369 of makes me a little Trie Ei'd because this very morning I was walking along 287 00:19:45.410 --> 00:19:48.809 at praying, as I always do on mornings. I actually didn't come to 288 00:19:48.890 --> 00:19:52.519 sidewalk, but I thought I would. And and I was remember marine my 289 00:19:52.599 --> 00:20:00.440 own abortion past and feeling very weepy, and and and was then thinking I'm 290 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.279 grateful to God that he does bring that back, because what it does is 291 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:11.309 it reminds me that I have that in my past. Yeah, and and 292 00:20:11.910 --> 00:20:18.109 so the people that I am counseling and calling out to, I can approach 293 00:20:18.190 --> 00:20:22.019 them with more compassion. I was thanking God, saying I think this gives 294 00:20:22.059 --> 00:20:26.500 me compassion, this ability, much as I don't want to remember it, 295 00:20:26.539 --> 00:20:30.900 it does give me the ability to be more compassionate and Hind in kind in 296 00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:36.210 my tone. Yeah, you think about the story Jesus gives, and I'm 297 00:20:36.210 --> 00:20:38.690 a probably slaughter the story, but you guys know it, where Jesus is 298 00:20:38.809 --> 00:20:42.890 talking about two men that went to the temple. One was weeping, wailing 299 00:20:44.009 --> 00:20:47.529 and right repenting before the for the Lord. I'm a sinner, don't deserve 300 00:20:47.569 --> 00:20:51.839 your mercy, and one is, one was a Publican and one was the 301 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.400 Pharisee, or one of the religious guy. It's like he the religious gay. 302 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:59.720 The pharisee praised God. I thank you that I'm not like this, 303 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.680 this tax collector, as this guy. Yeah, and I thank you that 304 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.109 I'm righteous. And it's like which one of these is justified? It's the 305 00:21:07.230 --> 00:21:08.829 one whose heart was broken before the Lord. I. We need to have 306 00:21:08.950 --> 00:21:14.069 a heart broken before the Lord for the women. But also even today, 307 00:21:14.269 --> 00:21:17.630 like one of the pro boorts came up to me and just said something that 308 00:21:17.750 --> 00:21:22.420 was I mean she didn't mean it to be really she didn't mean it to 309 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:25.019 show what was in her heart. I'm not going to go through all what 310 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:26.460 it was because these people are whacked out, so I'm not going to give 311 00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:30.180 a more airtime than they need. But it actually broke my heart the way 312 00:21:30.259 --> 00:21:34.250 she said it. There was almost like this from her perspective, there was 313 00:21:34.369 --> 00:21:41.089 this kind of built into the world, this this need to always like, 314 00:21:41.730 --> 00:21:45.130 I don't know, just wish I could spell it out a little more, 315 00:21:45.170 --> 00:21:51.200 but explain herself in such a way like I actually have goodness to find her 316 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:55.720 actions being out there in a way. Not that if I could break the 317 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:56.960 story out a little more than I would, but I can't do that. 318 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:02.710 But reality is like what was seen in the story that she was telling, 319 00:22:02.750 --> 00:22:07.349 and what she was saying is that she's always paranoid of people doing evil to 320 00:22:07.470 --> 00:22:11.789 her, like what a terrible life to live, and I remember living that 321 00:22:11.950 --> 00:22:15.299 life. I remember when I was in sane living in rebellion to God none. 322 00:22:15.420 --> 00:22:18.420 I couldn't trust any of my friends and still from you. That's stab 323 00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:21.339 you in the back, and that's kind of what she was speaking from, 324 00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:25.059 just this idea of you can't trust anybody. Yeah, like, man, 325 00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:30.089 what a heartbreaking world to live in, right, and US almost are weeping's 326 00:22:30.089 --> 00:22:33.690 done out there on and on the sidewalk. Yeah, because of this kind 327 00:22:33.690 --> 00:22:37.329 of just I don't know, my heart was was broken, not because I'm 328 00:22:37.369 --> 00:22:41.089 so great or anything, but I just realized the world I came from. 329 00:22:41.089 --> 00:22:44.559 Yeah, and so I guess this is kind of going a little long on 330 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.799 this point that your tone matters, but really from the depths of the heart 331 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:49.559 of the mouth speaks. And if our heart is broken, in our heart 332 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.759 is a heart of humility and compassion, because we see what God has brought 333 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.720 us from, then that's going to come out of our mouths. Right. 334 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.390 So yeah, more than anything, just just keep that in mind. Yeah, 335 00:23:00.630 --> 00:23:04.269 and and that goes along with our next point about righteous anger rarely helps 336 00:23:04.349 --> 00:23:08.230 the situation there. there. Certainly it's a place for righteous anger out there. 337 00:23:08.509 --> 00:23:15.259 What's happening there is a horrific affront to a holy God and rebellion, 338 00:23:15.740 --> 00:23:19.819 but it almost never draws people to us. And if our goal is to 339 00:23:19.940 --> 00:23:27.049 have them their hearts change towards God and towards those babies, than usually the 340 00:23:27.250 --> 00:23:33.089 counterintuitive way to deal with them is with mercy grace and love. Yeah, 341 00:23:33.569 --> 00:23:37.170 even in the midst of their anger and even in the midst of their nastiness 342 00:23:37.289 --> 00:23:41.640 towards us, which we do see. And again, that's not a natural 343 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.400 response. That it's not a natural human response to respond to people being angry 344 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:52.680 with you or persecute your whatever, to respond with love. Yeah, but 345 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.549 I think that that is the more effective way, yeah, to respond out 346 00:23:56.549 --> 00:24:00.470 there. Yeah, I mean I think there's listen, to be angry is 347 00:24:00.670 --> 00:24:04.950 to be human, yeah, and also to be angry in a lot of 348 00:24:04.990 --> 00:24:10.779 ways is to be righteous. Yeah, Jesus got angry right. Yeah, 349 00:24:11.140 --> 00:24:15.059 it's righteous to be angry with wickedness going on. That's that's true. Yeah, 350 00:24:17.180 --> 00:24:19.619 but also the Bible says the anger of Man Does Not work the righteousness 351 00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:23.259 of God. So you can have this righteous anger and indignation toward the wickedness 352 00:24:23.289 --> 00:24:27.329 that goes on out there. You can have it without it manifesting itself in 353 00:24:29.089 --> 00:24:32.849 an angry tone and an angry voice and an angry facial expression. Yeah, 354 00:24:33.130 --> 00:24:37.250 you can yield that stuff to the Lord. And, given this volatile situation 355 00:24:37.529 --> 00:24:41.279 that being at an abortion center is a lot of times it's hard for you 356 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:45.279 to discern whether or not the anger that you're feeling is righteous anger or carnal 357 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.480 anger? Yeah, so let's just put anger on the shelf while we're out 358 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:53.309 there as best we can and let the Lord through us. If God wants 359 00:24:53.309 --> 00:24:56.470 to deal with them in an angry way, let him. He can do 360 00:24:56.630 --> 00:25:00.589 that in a righteous way every time. God's anger is always righteous, right. 361 00:25:00.789 --> 00:25:04.950 God never manifests his anger in an unrageous and unrighteous way. Sadly, 362 00:25:06.069 --> 00:25:10.019 often times, our anger that we want to sanitize and calls will call it 363 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:14.019 righteous anger, but in reality it's his carnal anger. Yeah, it's not 364 00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:18.859 always righteous. Right, our anger is oftentimes unrighteous. Anger's this anger of 365 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:23.730 the flesh. So I kind of try to take the posture of putting anger 366 00:25:23.809 --> 00:25:27.369 on the shelf. Yeah, while I'm out there, let God do the 367 00:25:27.410 --> 00:25:30.450 angry stuff. Right, let him deal with him his wrath, and I'll 368 00:25:30.490 --> 00:25:36.240 do you're speaking the truth of God, Confronting Evil in a gracious way. 369 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.519 So yeah, that's what I would say on that point and prevent hopefully prevented 370 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:47.519 it escalating. Yeah, being really good listeners, even though the reason sometimes 371 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.990 that you hear for why they're there are just, frankly, stupid. Oh 372 00:25:51.029 --> 00:25:55.150 yeah, they're they're stupid, they're wrong, they're right, evil, wicked. 373 00:25:55.349 --> 00:26:00.710 But you still need to listen, and I think the the hard discernment 374 00:26:00.910 --> 00:26:07.539 comes in with Listen Long enough to so that they feel heard. Yeah, 375 00:26:07.660 --> 00:26:12.180 but not so long that you're allowing them to rationalize and justify what they're about 376 00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:18.500 to do. That's a fine balance that I think comes with experience. But 377 00:26:18.369 --> 00:26:25.890 along the same lines, smiling, kindness and offering help literally to murderers, 378 00:26:26.089 --> 00:26:30.769 people who are intending to murder, is not I think the net are natural 379 00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:33.799 way that we would want to respond to someone that we feel is doing something, 380 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.440 that we know is doing something that is so awful. Yeah, but 381 00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:45.079 again, if they feel that you really do care and you're showing that in 382 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:51.069 your demeanor, in your words, in your tone, it's more likely to 383 00:26:51.829 --> 00:26:55.670 bring them to speak to you. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean 384 00:26:55.990 --> 00:27:00.990 the reality is we have to knowledge that there is a lot of confusion. 385 00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:04.140 There's a lot of confusion in society, right, and there's a lot of 386 00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:07.700 confusion, confusion in the lives of these women. Do they know that they're 387 00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:12.339 murdering their child? Many do, right, but there is so much demonic 388 00:27:12.460 --> 00:27:18.690 confusion, so much relational confusion, with family members, their boyfriend, friends 389 00:27:18.730 --> 00:27:21.609 telling them they should have bore, one friend tell him they shouldn't, all 390 00:27:21.650 --> 00:27:23.690 aunt telling them they should, their mom saying you should. You know, 391 00:27:25.410 --> 00:27:29.130 all of these things that are spoken people their pastor telling them that God's okay 392 00:27:29.210 --> 00:27:32.400 with it or what you know, all these things, all these voices speaking 393 00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:36.079 into their lives, are so much confusion there. Yeah, and so do 394 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.440 they know they're murdering? Yes, but it's been covered up and it's been 395 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.720 all these other voices as have drowned out the voice of truth. So for 396 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.549 us just to go out there angry, just with a smirk on our face 397 00:27:47.670 --> 00:27:49.430 and just letting them all have it, telling them all they're going to burn 398 00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:55.710 in hell, that might be I mean you could justify that biblically, yeah, 399 00:27:55.750 --> 00:27:56.789 but is that going to be the effective way to do it and is 400 00:27:56.789 --> 00:28:00.339 that going to be the godhonoring way to do it? I don't think so. 401 00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:03.900 Yeah, it hasn't been my experience that it's ever effective right. Using 402 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:07.180 the word murderer, I think, is again a showstopper that just going to 403 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:12.809 run away from us. Offering though prayer, sometimes even to the most stony 404 00:28:12.930 --> 00:28:18.329 faced, angry people who have said I don't believe in God, I don't 405 00:28:18.329 --> 00:28:22.970 want to hear anything about your God. And I have had or seen people 406 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:30.000 just completely turn around with a really heartfelt, sincere prayer and I have not 407 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.079 had many say no, please don't pray for me if I offer prayer. 408 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.880 But recently this, this did happen just this past week on when someone was 409 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:44.990 on the mobile ultrasound unit and she just was flat affect, wasn't wasn't responding 410 00:28:45.029 --> 00:28:48.230 to anything, even seeing her baby on the ultrasound screen. But at the 411 00:28:48.309 --> 00:28:52.470 very end she actually said to me, are you going to pray? And 412 00:28:52.589 --> 00:28:56.700 I thought at first she was mocking me. Yeah, but I said sure 413 00:28:56.059 --> 00:29:00.460 and I started praying and she started crying. It was the first show of 414 00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:03.779 emotion I had seen. So I think I've heard you say this before, 415 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:08.380 Daniel, that somewhere in all of our hearts we all know God, we 416 00:29:08.539 --> 00:29:11.650 know he's there, we know he's real. That's certainly what the Bible says. 417 00:29:11.690 --> 00:29:15.369 All Creation Declares his glory. Yeah, so that none are without excuse. 418 00:29:15.809 --> 00:29:22.450 So don't be afraid to offer a sincere prayer. Yeah, and and 419 00:29:22.730 --> 00:29:29.039 sometimes I can open doors totally unexpectedly. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 420 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:36.200 one of my favorites on our points that we mention is don't give up 421 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:41.190 and persistence, persistence, Pace. Sometimes you feel like you're knacking. I 422 00:29:41.549 --> 00:29:45.670 excel in this area, as you know. Yes, you have what I 423 00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:48.670 call a NAG anointing. That is correct. If I ask you those you 424 00:29:48.710 --> 00:29:52.220 are listening to this podcast and you know me. If I ask you to 425 00:29:52.299 --> 00:29:56.539 do something and I'm going to ask you to do something, that's you. 426 00:29:56.180 --> 00:30:00.579 You helpful to the ministry or whatever. If you don't do that thing, 427 00:30:00.380 --> 00:30:04.980 that I will unleash Vickio and your weel see, will have you doing it. 428 00:30:06.619 --> 00:30:11.009 She has a Nag annointing, I do, and as so. I 429 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:18.009 had actually a suicidal woman that, through a series of text I thought literally 430 00:30:18.329 --> 00:30:21.559 was dead. She had done it, she'd committed suicide, and through the 431 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.359 words of a friend, I ended up connecting with the police, who checked 432 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.519 on her. She turned out to be alive and she hadn't been the one 433 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.960 that it texted me that she was dead. Anyway, I just continued to 434 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.990 to persist in that she needed to get help. Yeah, she needed to 435 00:30:40.069 --> 00:30:45.230 talk with a suicide hotline. Yeah, and and that, and I continue 436 00:30:45.309 --> 00:30:48.829 to text her every single day and she has come around to the point where 437 00:30:48.829 --> 00:30:53.940 yesterday she actually she did finally connect with a counselor and she thanks me for 438 00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.099 will base. Yes, Oh, yes, it's focus on the family. 439 00:30:57.380 --> 00:31:03.900 You'll do suicide counseling and and Christian counseling and we'll connect them with local resources. 440 00:31:03.940 --> 00:31:06.690 That's what I wanted to happen, was for her to be connected with 441 00:31:06.809 --> 00:31:08.529 the local resource. And she kept saying it'll do no good, it'll do 442 00:31:08.650 --> 00:31:12.450 no good, and I just would not stop nagging her. And and there 443 00:31:12.529 --> 00:31:18.529 is a scripture that I cling to because of this personality traite of mine about 444 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.920 I don't know the exact reference, but where the the woman that the judge 445 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.400 finally grants which she persisted with it because of the pers is it because she 446 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:32.559 just won't shut up? She won't stop nagging? Generally, it's what that 447 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.589 saying. And in the end this woman wrote a text that said I want 448 00:31:36.630 --> 00:31:38.910 to thank you for your persistence and I said I like that. where I 449 00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:42.109 like that. Are saider than let good work. What Daniel says about me. 450 00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:47.460 Yeah, well, I've heard that more than one time. Yeah, 451 00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:51.460 I've heard moms that have chosen life. Yeah, I remember one young lady. 452 00:31:51.700 --> 00:31:55.140 This is a couple of years ago that chose life, and one of 453 00:31:55.180 --> 00:31:57.220 the things that she said she went in and out of the abortion center like 454 00:31:57.500 --> 00:32:04.049 five times and every time she came out and every time she went back in, 455 00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:07.289 back and forth to her car, someone was calling out to her. 456 00:32:07.569 --> 00:32:12.089 And it's kind of counterintuitive because you think, well, after they've already went 457 00:32:12.170 --> 00:32:15.130 in and out a couple of times, you need to just leave them along 458 00:32:15.130 --> 00:32:16.279 because's just going to tick them off, right, and you're thinking, let 459 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.720 him process it. Yeah, which can be the cavy right. Yeah, 460 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.079 you led by the Holy Spirit, but for the most part someone is not 461 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.000 going to come out of that abortion center and go to their car without being 462 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.710 addressed, right, and someone's not going to go back to the abortion center 463 00:32:30.789 --> 00:32:32.869 from their car without being addressed. We're going to call out to them. 464 00:32:34.430 --> 00:32:37.789 I don't until they tell me to f off right or whatever. I'm gonna 465 00:32:37.829 --> 00:32:42.549 be persistent because I've seen it and I know what's going on. I know 466 00:32:42.670 --> 00:32:45.940 this fight in their mind, is in their hearts, under the Devil's coming 467 00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:49.579 speaking lies you, that age old battle between life and death. It's going 468 00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:52.220 on in their mind and their heart, that battle between the flesh and the 469 00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:53.900 spirit and you know, we all know that battle. Yeah, that's going 470 00:32:53.980 --> 00:32:58.500 on. I want to tip the scale to life right, and so I'm 471 00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:01.809 going to keep speaking until again they tell me to blink off. I'm going 472 00:33:01.890 --> 00:33:07.890 to keep addressing them because I've seen it break through. One thing that was 473 00:33:07.970 --> 00:33:12.490 said right, just was the thing that they were looking for. They were 474 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.400 like I've said in the past, these women are grasping for two things. 475 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:22.720 They're grasping for justification to a board and they're grasping for some reason to leave. 476 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.880 Yeah, and maybe you being persistent, calling out every time they go 477 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.710 in and out. Is that that one thing that they are grasping for will 478 00:33:29.710 --> 00:33:31.829 be said? Yeah, and that leads to the last point. We skipped 479 00:33:31.829 --> 00:33:35.349 over a few but I don't want this to go too long. We are 480 00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:38.710 going to put this bullet point list out with the podcast. But that leads 481 00:33:38.750 --> 00:33:43.140 to the last point that, even though you may not perceive it, there 482 00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:47.339 is always conflict, there is always conflict in their heart, and know that. 483 00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:53.380 Speak to that and don't give up trying to reach that, that kernel 484 00:33:53.420 --> 00:33:58.890 of conflict and be able to tip the scale. The scale is it's tipping 485 00:33:58.970 --> 00:34:01.490 from one way to another, even if you're not seeing that visibly on their 486 00:34:01.569 --> 00:34:06.329 face or their their demeanor, and so don't give up until that baby stead 487 00:34:06.410 --> 00:34:08.969 yeah, really. Yeah, the notion that women come to an abortion center 488 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.119 and that they have their mind made up that's why they're there, is that? 489 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.679 That's false notion. Yeah, women are conflicted. It doesn't matter what 490 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.079 their religious, political, whatever persuasion is. There is conflict, even a 491 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.590 thread of conflict, if not a bunch of conflict, in their hearts and 492 00:34:25.630 --> 00:34:31.190 then their minds, and we want to help that conflict go in the right 493 00:34:31.269 --> 00:34:35.949 direction, direction of life and toward the Lord. So right. So keep 494 00:34:35.949 --> 00:34:39.219 nagging, keep nagging. If don't give up, keep nagging being snaggingly, 495 00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:45.179 nicely, night nack with a correct tone, Yep, and the good time, 496 00:34:45.500 --> 00:34:49.219 Yep. Yeah, and Yeah, God's going to use you, guys. 497 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.889 Hope this was an encouragement. Hope that we taught you guys something and 498 00:34:52.969 --> 00:34:57.329 we hope that you will share this podcast with others. If you have other 499 00:34:57.449 --> 00:35:00.170 episodes, other subjects you'd like for us to cover, you can reach out 500 00:35:00.210 --> 00:35:02.809 to me, Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You reach hurt Vicky at 501 00:35:02.889 --> 00:35:06.730 Love Life Dot Org. Vicki with a why at the end of it. 502 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:08.960 Love Life Dot Org. We love to hear from you, but until next 503 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:16.320 time, God bless cat. That's you all. Give me our love for 504 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:29.750 love. Give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me 505 00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:37.659 my life. Nothing's too precious in some you