Christmas As Springboard For the Message of Life

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:11.789Lord, I am yours, Iam yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel300:00:11.830 --> 00:00:17.390Center pre life podcast, a podcastdesigned to equip, encourage and challenge you400:00:17.510 --> 00:00:21.660in pro life ministry and always werethe focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned.500:00:23.660 --> 00:00:35.340I felt show passish, touch yourheart. Use Me. Welcome back600:00:35.340 --> 00:00:38.490to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you, guys, joining us700:00:38.530 --> 00:00:43.530as always and as always, wehope this episode will be a blessing to800:00:43.570 --> 00:00:48.609you and we're going to talk aboutmaybe a kind of unique subject. This900:00:48.969 --> 00:00:54.039should be coming out before Christmas,and so we're going to talk about how1000:00:54.079 --> 00:00:59.600we can reach out to these MOMSgoing into the abortion center and really reach1100:00:59.799 --> 00:01:03.479people just in general, maybe notjust the MOMS and the dad's, but1200:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.230maybe just people in our lives,with the pro life message, and use1300:01:07.269 --> 00:01:12.310the Christmas story as a springboard forthat message. And some of you guys,1400:01:12.430 --> 00:01:17.989maybe you're probably already doing this.You're already using it because it's in1500:01:18.109 --> 00:01:21.579your mind. You make these connections. I mean, Gosh, Mary,1600:01:21.819 --> 00:01:26.379a young woman who was she wasnot in sin, she didn't get pregnant1700:01:26.659 --> 00:01:33.049for for her sinful lifestyle. Butshe was a young mother and what?1800:01:33.290 --> 00:01:36.689Fourteen some people, right, that'swhat they think. Yeah, just teenager.1900:01:36.930 --> 00:01:38.250And so she's in a, youknow what the world would say,2000:01:38.290 --> 00:01:44.930a situation where she she doesn't needto have a baby. Story UN planned2100:01:45.010 --> 00:01:49.680by her. Yeah, unplanned pregnancy. Modern Times, people would have encouraged2200:01:49.719 --> 00:01:52.760her to have an abortion. Sure, many people would have. And so,2300:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.480yeah, we're going to talk abouthow can you add the abortion center2400:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.920use that story as a springboard?Maybe it's in a oneonone conversation, maybe2500:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.829it's in as you're calling out tothem going into the abortion center. I2600:02:02.870 --> 00:02:06.709think it's kind of along the linesof what God says, that talking point2700:02:06.750 --> 00:02:09.430that we use what God says,right, and the humanity the baby as2800:02:09.469 --> 00:02:14.870well. Yeah, and may beon the microphones. So we use amplified2900:02:14.909 --> 00:02:17.020sound here and we're able to kindof broadcast more of a like a message,3000:02:17.060 --> 00:02:22.219a general message to everyone who's maybesitting in the cars and parking lot3100:02:22.259 --> 00:02:23.939or inside the waiting room of theabortion center, whatever it might be.3200:02:24.620 --> 00:02:30.449But in those contexts, how canyou use the Christmas story as a springboard3300:02:30.050 --> 00:02:35.449to share the pro life message?It is so rich and filled luke one,3400:02:35.770 --> 00:02:38.969luke one and two, but especiallyluke one, just really filled with3500:02:39.250 --> 00:02:46.439great things to call out to thewomen, and I do this with every3600:02:46.479 --> 00:02:52.120holiday. I really look for atevery holiday, major holiday, and think,3700:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.120first of all, I reckoge niceand I call out to them.3800:02:54.280 --> 00:02:59.270What do you think you're going tothink every single Christmas from this point forward?3900:02:59.430 --> 00:03:02.110What are you going to remember?You'll remember when you were here and4000:03:02.349 --> 00:03:06.590and what choice you meant, andthat holiday is always going to be tinged4100:03:07.189 --> 00:03:10.389with either the joy or the despairof that choice that you made. So4200:03:10.949 --> 00:03:15.539the holidays, I think, arean effective thing for us to really focus4300:03:15.659 --> 00:03:21.659on as they're approaching, all theholidays, but Christmas especially. Yeah,4400:03:21.780 --> 00:03:24.259and so you know, we're justa few weeks away. What what are4500:03:24.300 --> 00:03:29.930we now? Three weeks away fromfrom Christmas right now. And so I've4600:03:30.050 --> 00:03:36.009started speaking about Christmas and the messagesof Christmas, but it's the holiday where4700:03:36.090 --> 00:03:42.439you are celebrating a baby, yeah, and who started off as an unborn4800:03:42.479 --> 00:03:46.240baby, yeah, in the wombof a vulnerable young lady. It just4900:03:46.599 --> 00:03:54.789the parallels are perfect. Yeah,Mary's pregnancy is the world's most wellknown unplanned5000:03:54.789 --> 00:03:59.669pregnancy. Correct, right, I'mplanned accordand by her and right in the5100:03:59.710 --> 00:04:02.189world, but not planned according tothe Lord, and I'll even say that,5200:04:02.310 --> 00:04:05.550by the way, as long aswe're hitting that point, that it5300:04:05.949 --> 00:04:11.379was unplanned by her, but notby the Lord, and he definitely had5400:04:11.379 --> 00:04:14.979a plan and a purpose. AndI'll say that's true of every human life.5500:04:15.259 --> 00:04:18.060Yeah, not. And and eventoday, I said now Mary was5600:04:18.180 --> 00:04:23.819pregnant with the son of God.Odd and that's not who you're pregnant with.5700:04:23.860 --> 00:04:26.610I want to let you all knowthat. Yeah, absolutely, that5800:04:26.730 --> 00:04:30.889only happen once. However, thatbaby is precious to God and has a5900:04:31.170 --> 00:04:34.209purpose before God. So go onwith what you were saying. But but6000:04:34.329 --> 00:04:38.639that's where I'll often start. Yeah, well, Chrismas, that's it is6100:04:38.759 --> 00:04:44.600that the Christmas story, no matterhow secular our society becomes and no matter6200:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.279how secular minded people are, theChristmas story around this season is on the6300:04:48.399 --> 00:04:54.269forefront of people's minds. Right,and the songs that are sung, except6400:04:54.310 --> 00:04:57.430for like Holly Jolly Christmas and someof the ones that drive me crazy,6500:04:57.509 --> 00:05:01.069grandma under the rating. Actually,okay, I'm sorry, grandma got randy6600:05:01.069 --> 00:05:05.629about right now that one. That'sthat's that's a quality class okay, but6700:05:05.709 --> 00:05:10.899rocking around the Christmas tree. Ihate it. Okay, Santa Baby,6800:05:11.540 --> 00:05:15.660I'm kind of rabbit trailing here.I hate that. That is probably you6900:05:15.699 --> 00:05:17.019know what's Song I'm talking about,Santa. I don't know that it is7000:05:17.100 --> 00:05:21.930the is. It is quite possiblythe worst song ever written outside of the7100:05:23.970 --> 00:05:28.050Beatles Christmas Song. Now, I'mprobably stepping on some people's toes there,7200:05:28.569 --> 00:05:30.610but that Beatles Christmas song. Ieven forget the words of that's. I7300:05:30.689 --> 00:05:34.370can't stand a try even of thatone. But okay, going back to7400:05:34.449 --> 00:05:39.079my point, h the Christmas songswill come. We'll call me Manuel.7500:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.439Yeah, come all you faithful.Yeah, silent night, a little town7600:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.360of n a little too away,in a manger. These are, or7700:05:46.480 --> 00:05:49.269you know was. As long aswe're on Christmas songs, this one makes7800:05:49.350 --> 00:05:54.310me cry every time. Mary,did you know that's? You know that7900:05:54.430 --> 00:05:56.910one? Yeah, did you knowthat, your baby boy? I mean8000:05:57.509 --> 00:06:00.069it brings tear smies just thinking ofit, because Mary did you know?8100:06:00.269 --> 00:06:03.029Well, I don't know how muchshe knew. She treasured it in her8200:06:03.069 --> 00:06:06.019heart, but she sure didn't knowthe whole story, I'm sure. Yeah,8300:06:06.420 --> 00:06:11.980but that's true again, of everymom we face. You don't know.8400:06:12.180 --> 00:06:15.579You don't know the whole story,yeah, of what's going to happen8500:06:15.660 --> 00:06:17.420with that baby and what God hasplanned for that baby. But Anyway,8600:06:17.420 --> 00:06:21.769okay, Beck, because the pointis that this Christmas story, this unplanned8700:06:21.769 --> 00:06:25.569pregnancy story, which, yeah,at the core of the Christmas story.8800:06:25.649 --> 00:06:30.290That's what it is. This thisunplanned pregnancy. If a young woman and8900:06:30.449 --> 00:06:35.639of course, this child that wasconceived and born in a very difficult situation9000:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.240becomes a redeemer of the world,that story is on the forefront of people's9100:06:41.279 --> 00:06:45.560minds. Their women are driving tothe abortion center around this season, going9200:06:45.759 --> 00:06:50.029past manger scenes, yeah, goingpath we're with the radio own and hearing9300:06:50.230 --> 00:06:56.709these songs of Jesus and the Christmasstory, and so I think we would9400:06:56.709 --> 00:07:00.670be fools not to, for lackof a better term, capitalize on that,9500:07:00.990 --> 00:07:02.980yeah, to springboard off of that, because it's on the forefront of9600:07:03.060 --> 00:07:08.860their minds and the fact is they'regoing to remember this season if they go9700:07:09.019 --> 00:07:14.620through with an abortion. They're goingto remember what happened in December around Chris9800:07:14.740 --> 00:07:18.089Dismas two thousand and twenty one.And you know, I know women that9900:07:18.209 --> 00:07:23.689have had abortions in the past.Years and years and years ago. They10000:07:23.850 --> 00:07:28.290remember those abortions, but especially whenthey can really put a marker in time.10100:07:28.410 --> 00:07:31.160That was around Christmas, and justlooking back to that, I mean10200:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.040that's that's a reality. And so, you know, I think we'd be10300:07:34.079 --> 00:07:38.680fools not to capitalize on that,springboard off of that, yeah, and10400:07:39.160 --> 00:07:43.319to encourage these women to help savethem from the destruction that abortion brings,10500:07:44.160 --> 00:07:47.829to step out boldly, to useMary as an example of a young woman10600:07:47.870 --> 00:07:53.949who was scared, pregnant in aworld that was really against her and not10700:07:54.230 --> 00:07:59.500really very helpful to her. Butyet she stood firm and stood strong.10800:07:59.540 --> 00:08:03.339Yeah, because she did, inthe sight of God, what was the10900:08:03.420 --> 00:08:05.379right thing to do. And sospringboard off that encourage these women to do11000:08:05.500 --> 00:08:09.980the same, I think is avery powerful way to help them to it11100:08:09.180 --> 00:08:13.529is. That's less number one forall of you listening. Don't neglect the11200:08:13.610 --> 00:08:18.970the this gift of the Christmas story. Yeah, to be able to talk11300:08:18.009 --> 00:08:22.170to the women, I go allthe way back to when I'm starting to11400:08:22.250 --> 00:08:26.089talk about the Christmas story with withoutat the abortion center. I go back11500:08:26.199 --> 00:08:31.519to Elizabeth, who in Luke OneElizabeth is Mary's cousin. She and her11600:08:31.639 --> 00:08:37.000husband, Sechariah, cannot have anychildren. She's barren. It great disgrace11700:08:37.120 --> 00:08:41.669and sorrow in in her eyes.And and you know, the angel comes11800:08:41.710 --> 00:08:46.990to John and and or, I'msorry, comes to Zechariah and says your11900:08:48.149 --> 00:08:52.029wife is going to bear a childand and he's going to be John The12000:08:52.149 --> 00:08:58.700baptist. Yeah, but but likesome of the things that he is told,12100:08:58.179 --> 00:09:05.860that Zachariah is told of what,what is going to happen with this12200:09:05.059 --> 00:09:13.889baby? One of them that Ihonestly don't recall ever really grasping the magnitude12300:09:13.889 --> 00:09:18.330of what this means is in versefifteen when he says, for he will12400:09:18.370 --> 00:09:20.409be great in the side of theLord, he would drink no wine or12500:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.519liquor. He's talking now about babyliquor. When version of the scriptures that12600:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.720head. I'm sorry, I'm probablyan ASB. Okay, he will drink12700:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.080no wine or liquor and he willbe filled with the Holy Spirit while yet12800:09:33.759 --> 00:09:39.029in his mother's womb. Okay,that struck me like a ton of rocks.12900:09:39.029 --> 00:09:41.190Yeah, to today. I thinkI read it this morning and I13000:09:41.309 --> 00:09:46.629used it when I was speaking withthe women today, because, I mean,13100:09:46.909 --> 00:09:54.500this tells you unequivocally, while yetunborn, the Holy Spirit can enter13200:09:56.460 --> 00:10:00.700a child, a baby in thewomb. Yeah, and we're killing these13300:10:00.779 --> 00:10:05.100babies. Yeah. So to methis is one of the first powerful verses.13400:10:05.139 --> 00:10:09.889Yeah, that that I would goto, that an unborn baby can13500:10:09.970 --> 00:10:15.129be filled with the Holy Spirit.And then the next verse is where are13600:10:15.129 --> 00:10:18.009a couple verses later, in verseSeventeen, where John is going to be13700:10:18.610 --> 00:10:22.799of the forerunner, of the Messiah, and he's come, going to come13800:10:22.840 --> 00:10:28.679in the spirit of Elijah and he'sgoing to turn people back to the Lord.13900:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.159But then also, it says inverse Seventeen, to turn the hearts14000:10:33.240 --> 00:10:39.509of the father's back to the childrenand the disobedient to the attitude of the14100:10:39.549 --> 00:10:45.190righteous. Yeah. So again thewhere are the hearts of the fathers as14200:10:45.230 --> 00:10:48.190you're standing in front of an abortioncenter? Yeah, well, they're certainly14300:10:48.950 --> 00:10:54.899often time's not for their children there, toward themselves. Yeah. Yeah,14400:10:54.419 --> 00:11:01.059so I citing that verse and talkingabout the purpose, one of the purposes14500:11:01.179 --> 00:11:05.289of John, the unborn baby.He's already being told, as father's being14600:11:05.409 --> 00:11:09.690told, while he's yet unborn,this is his purpose. He already has14700:11:09.730 --> 00:11:16.970been assigned a purpose by God.Yeah, another really important point. Yeah,14800:11:16.169 --> 00:11:20.080because, like you're pointing out,in the Christmas story we certainly have14900:11:20.679 --> 00:11:26.279the the preborn baby Jesus, butwe also have preborn baby John in the15000:11:26.320 --> 00:11:31.950womb, this forerunner of Jesus.This is really if you want to look15100:11:31.950 --> 00:11:35.909at the scripture with the scripture hasto say a about unborn children, the15200:11:35.950 --> 00:11:39.470Christmas story is the best place tolook. I think. I mean all15300:11:39.549 --> 00:11:43.909through the Bible, you see Godgives value to human beings and and all15400:11:43.950 --> 00:11:46.500of that. But even in thatLuke passage, I know we pointed out15500:11:46.580 --> 00:11:52.500this before, that were that's usedfor infant is breathos right, and it's15600:11:52.539 --> 00:11:58.779the same word that use later onin Luke to apply to like infants outside15700:11:58.820 --> 00:12:01.210the womb or even little children.So it's the same word. said the15800:12:01.250 --> 00:12:07.809unborn baby John, use the babyJesus born breakfast. Yeah, both means15900:12:09.289 --> 00:12:13.009baby. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So there's there's no distinction that God16000:12:13.169 --> 00:12:16.720gives that God doesn't like we do. I say we as a society.16100:12:16.759 --> 00:12:22.200We apply the term fetus to apreborn child and infant to a child that's16200:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.960been born. Right in the scriptures, in the New Testament, there's an16300:12:26.000 --> 00:12:31.909equivalent. It's equivalent term, right, breafos, right, and so we16400:12:31.950 --> 00:12:33.509see right there, if we getinto the language of it, that's not16500:12:33.750 --> 00:12:37.470necessarily something and I think you couldin a oneone conversation with a woman going16600:12:37.549 --> 00:12:39.950in. You could lay that truthout for her and I would encourage you,16700:12:39.950 --> 00:12:43.110guys, if you're kind of puzzledby what I'm even talking about,16800:12:43.149 --> 00:12:48.860dig into the Greek that is usedin the gospel of Luke in particular,16900:12:48.220 --> 00:12:54.379and the word that the Greek wordsthat are used to talk about a baby17000:12:54.460 --> 00:12:56.940inside the womb. Again, it'sthe same Greek word that's used for a17100:12:56.980 --> 00:13:00.169baby outside the whom. Again you, I think you could break it down17200:13:00.330 --> 00:13:01.570and share that if you got indepth with a mom going in to the17300:13:01.570 --> 00:13:05.169abortion center and you can share that. I think it could be a powerful17400:13:05.169 --> 00:13:07.210truth. Yeah, but more thananything, the most powerful truth of this17500:13:07.250 --> 00:13:13.759is the redemption that God brought throughthat unplanned pregnancy. And I'll say that17600:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.600often times Mary had an unplanned Ido use air quotes because it was not17700:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.000unplanned according to God. It's amatter of fact. There are no unplanned17800:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.159pregnancies according to God. Right,he knows the infant beginny. Yeah,17900:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.830but according to US and according toour thinking, that was unplanned. And18000:13:28.909 --> 00:13:33.190yet God brought redemption out of thatsituation. And so many of these women18100:13:33.309 --> 00:13:37.110going into the abortion center they're scaredand they're thinking, how could any good18200:13:37.190 --> 00:13:39.990come out of this situation? Godbrought good out of that situation, the18300:13:41.110 --> 00:13:45.059greatest good ever. The son ofGod came to this earth, lived a18400:13:45.100 --> 00:13:48.379sinless life, ultimately healed the sickand raise the dead, died for the18500:13:48.460 --> 00:13:50.820sins of the world and then wasrose from the grave. Now, of18600:13:50.899 --> 00:13:54.980course their baby is not going todo those things because their baby's not the18700:13:54.019 --> 00:14:00.370son of God. But that thatawesome redemptive story came out of this unplanned18800:14:00.409 --> 00:14:05.730pregnancy. If God could do that, he could do in your life a18900:14:05.889 --> 00:14:09.129similar thing. He could bring redemptionthat child. We say to the MOMS,19000:14:09.129 --> 00:14:13.360oftentimes that child could really open youreyes to the fact that there's something19100:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.200more than what you're living for.I know that's what happened in my life19200:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.559as a father, seventeen years oldwhen our daughter was born, and so19300:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.200I'll say that to the men.That was an unplanned pregnancy that God used19400:14:24.389 --> 00:14:26.909open my eyes to the reality ofthere were something more the world I was19500:14:26.950 --> 00:14:31.029living for and so I think springboardingoff the Christmas story in that way is19600:14:31.070 --> 00:14:35.230a very powerful way to help something'salready on the forefront of their mind,19700:14:35.269 --> 00:14:41.100the Christmas story, Christmas season andall that stuff, and and to kind19800:14:41.139 --> 00:14:45.700of roll with it and share thisstory has application to your life right now,19900:14:45.860 --> 00:14:48.419right, and looks. So lookat your story. I know when20000:14:48.460 --> 00:14:54.529you probably first heard that your wifewas pregnant, and probably part of the20100:14:54.929 --> 00:14:58.409overwhelming emotion that filled you was fear. Yeah, right, yeah, and20200:14:58.529 --> 00:15:01.570of course she was not my wifeat that time. No, that's right.20300:15:01.929 --> 00:15:05.970I've shared my story before. Soyou guys hopefully no, but yeah,20400:15:05.970 --> 00:15:09.600we were high school sweethearts. Shewas fifteen, I was seventeen when20500:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.440she got pregnant, and that's young. That, that's young. That's scary.20600:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.519So so I'm sure you were filledwith terror, probably terror. My20700:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.919life is over, right, andyou've shared that before. Well, again,20800:15:20.039 --> 00:15:26.070here's another, I think, reallycritical parallel between Mary and as she20900:15:26.309 --> 00:15:30.350as the angels telling her, guesswhat, you're going to have the sun,21000:15:30.389 --> 00:15:31.909a God your we're I'm gonna beyou know, you're going to be21100:15:33.110 --> 00:15:37.659impregnated and by the spirit of God. And Yeah, anyway, the angel21200:15:37.779 --> 00:15:43.059says to her do not be afraid. Yeah, so the angel wouldn't have21300:15:43.100 --> 00:15:48.259needed to say that if Mary hadbeen, you know, boldly saying confidently,21400:15:48.659 --> 00:15:52.970well, yeah, I can dothis, no problem. That's probably21500:15:52.049 --> 00:15:56.889not. Her emotion must have beenone of fear. Naturally, that is21600:15:56.970 --> 00:16:00.649just what any fifteen year old,fourteenyear old, would experience when they're told21700:16:02.009 --> 00:16:06.039that you're about to have a baby. That and and she's she's in shock,21800:16:06.240 --> 00:16:10.480she's obviously scared. And the angelin the Christmas story, the Angel21900:16:10.639 --> 00:16:12.879Comes, I. I don't knowif it's Gabriel each time, but four22000:16:12.960 --> 00:16:18.509different times the angel comes to fourdifferent groups or people, and the word22100:16:18.710 --> 00:16:23.990every time that the angel says isdo not be afraid, or fear not.22200:16:25.710 --> 00:16:29.710And you think about MOMS coming toan abortion center. Without a doubt,22300:16:30.029 --> 00:16:38.940fear is fueling their decisions and fearmuddies your rational mind and and takes22400:16:40.139 --> 00:16:44.779over so that you make stupid choices. Yeah, so the angel points out22500:16:44.820 --> 00:16:47.929to marry, as I think weneed to point out to these MOMS,22600:16:48.610 --> 00:16:52.210don't let fear be what rules you. Yeah, let me tell you what22700:16:52.450 --> 00:16:56.610is going to happen. What thatthere is a planet and a purpose for22800:16:56.730 --> 00:17:03.240this incredible child. Yeah, andGod is with you. In fact,22900:17:03.279 --> 00:17:06.880that's what Emmanuel means, is Godis with us. And Mary is told23000:17:06.920 --> 00:17:11.599that she has found favor with God. And but but the angel lays out23100:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.589that there is a purpose and Ithink in general terms we can lay out23200:17:15.869 --> 00:17:18.750to these women don't be afraid,don't let fear rule you right now.23300:17:19.230 --> 00:17:25.069And there is an unbelievable purpose her, for this child in your well,23400:17:25.230 --> 00:17:29.069we don't know what it is,but you'll never know what it is if23500:17:29.109 --> 00:17:33.859you take that child's life today.Yeah, yeah, talking about Mary's fear.23600:17:34.460 --> 00:17:38.099Yeah, she had, I meannot just because she was going to23700:17:38.099 --> 00:17:41.700be a young woman that was pregnant, but she had a lot to be23800:17:41.819 --> 00:17:45.049afraid of in her day and age, right. I mean you think people23900:17:45.049 --> 00:17:48.089are marginalized now who are pregnant outsideof marriage, in those days, if24000:17:48.130 --> 00:17:52.130you're pregnant outside of marriage, notonly could you be marginalized and rejected by24100:17:52.210 --> 00:17:56.529your community, but you could alsobe stone to death, right, and24200:17:56.809 --> 00:18:00.599she definitely was in danger that becauseshe's not married to Joseph, but she24300:18:00.920 --> 00:18:06.960is engaged to him and in thattime period and engagement was the same in24400:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.400terms of the commitment yeah, andso, in the eyes of the people,24500:18:12.309 --> 00:18:17.910she would have committed adultery. Yeah, against Joseph and and yeah,24600:18:17.990 --> 00:18:22.190the penalty was her adopteus. SheSven stoned to death, been stone today.24700:18:22.630 --> 00:18:26.420Beyond that, of course, shehad the rejection of society. Like24800:18:26.539 --> 00:18:30.460you didn't get pregnant outside of marriagein those days. Right, this is24900:18:30.539 --> 00:18:34.539not a common thing. Right,and so she had that. She had25000:18:36.059 --> 00:18:41.890obviously she had to try to explainthis situation. However, by God's grace25100:18:41.970 --> 00:18:47.329and mercy, the Lord sent anangel to explain that situation to the most25200:18:47.329 --> 00:18:51.369important person in the scenario, whichwas Joseph. And he was a righteous25300:18:51.410 --> 00:18:55.170man and he did the right thing, which, unfortunately, is not the25400:18:55.250 --> 00:18:57.720case for many of the the menthat get these women pregnant of the abortion25500:18:57.799 --> 00:19:03.039centers are not righteous. Right,and this is where the parallel does yeah,25600:19:03.079 --> 00:19:06.920it doesn't act. Obviously she theseare not righteous women that are going25700:19:06.960 --> 00:19:08.759to kill their baby and they're notrighteous men. Yeah, but a lot25800:19:08.839 --> 00:19:14.509of the emotions that they're experiencing,definitely, I think you can be paid.25900:19:14.549 --> 00:19:18.069Absolutely, yeah, and in God'sa redeemer. Yeah, I think26000:19:18.069 --> 00:19:21.670we always need to bring the storyback around the Christmas store back around to26100:19:21.750 --> 00:19:26.660the point that God's a redeemer andGod can redeem your situation if you trust26200:19:26.740 --> 00:19:30.299in him. Yeah, you know, I think talking about you know,26300:19:30.420 --> 00:19:33.380talking about families, some of thethings I'll often say is you're going to26400:19:33.420 --> 00:19:37.859be around the Christmas tree with yourfamily? Are you going to be around26500:19:37.859 --> 00:19:44.289the Christmas table, sharing with yourfamily but hiding this secret right that you're26600:19:44.329 --> 00:19:47.730carrying with you? Yeah, now, on the flip side of that,26700:19:47.769 --> 00:19:49.809if you continue this pregnancy, obviouslythere's going to be you're gonna have to26800:19:49.890 --> 00:19:53.319share that you're pregnant. That's goingto come out. But how much more,26900:19:53.480 --> 00:19:56.599if you trust the Lord and dowhat he says and what honors him,27000:19:57.319 --> 00:20:03.480will he help bring peace in themidst of that situation in this season?27100:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.720Then, if you were to takematters in your own hands and have27200:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.710to explain to your family, becauseit may come out, yeah, that27300:20:10.990 --> 00:20:14.589you've had an abortion, like manthat's in again around this season. How27400:20:14.829 --> 00:20:19.549how, how dark and how devastatingis that to a young lady? Yeah,27500:20:21.190 --> 00:20:22.740I love that you use that wordpeace. That was one of the27600:20:22.900 --> 00:20:30.539things I talked about today because youknow, you can very legitimately make the27700:20:30.660 --> 00:20:33.740point to the women at an abortioncenter that they are not feeling peace.27800:20:34.059 --> 00:20:38.450I guarantee they're not. And yethere we are in a season that celebrates27900:20:38.529 --> 00:20:42.890peace on earth. Well, youcan't have peace when you are in direct28000:20:42.970 --> 00:20:48.690rebellion against God. But that peaceis available, yeah, when you turn28100:20:48.809 --> 00:20:52.400back to him and turn to him. Yeah, I think of the I28200:20:52.519 --> 00:20:55.799share often times. It's from thegospel of Luke, the proclamation of the28300:20:55.880 --> 00:20:59.640angels when they come in the fieldthere they know. They were shepherds watching28400:20:59.680 --> 00:21:02.200over their flocks by night. Weknow the story right. And then the28500:21:02.759 --> 00:21:07.509angel comes, or the angels comein appear and say peace on Earth,28600:21:07.630 --> 00:21:10.829goodwill toward men, like God wantsto bring peace. God has a good28700:21:11.069 --> 00:21:14.589will, and I will share thiswith the women and with the men,28800:21:15.069 --> 00:21:18.619that you think that right now Goddoesn't know what he's doing because you're pregnant.28900:21:18.099 --> 00:21:21.539Like God, why did you allowthis? Yeah, but you have29000:21:21.660 --> 00:21:25.940to trust that God has a goodwill towards you. God ultimately has a29100:21:25.980 --> 00:21:27.859good will toward all of you,manity. He wants good for us,29200:21:29.180 --> 00:21:33.609even in the midst of our sin. That's what Jesus came to redeem lost29300:21:33.690 --> 00:21:37.450human beings. So let's put ourtrust in God's good will toward man,29400:21:37.569 --> 00:21:41.849peace on earth, good will towardmen. Let's put our trust in him29500:21:41.849 --> 00:21:45.690rather than in things like abortion andwhich don't bring peace and don't have a29600:21:45.730 --> 00:21:49.599good will. All the will thatPlant parenthood or the abortion industry has toward29700:21:49.640 --> 00:21:53.400these women and toward these babies isa dollar sign right. They don't have29800:21:53.480 --> 00:21:57.680a good desire, they are ultimatelytrying to make money, but God does29900:21:57.759 --> 00:22:02.269have a good will toward them.So kind of contrasting that and helping them30000:22:02.349 --> 00:22:06.470to see through the Christmas story,God has their best in mind, even30100:22:06.470 --> 00:22:10.430in the midst of a very difficultsituation, and I love how you kind30200:22:10.430 --> 00:22:15.740of give this summary of the Christmasstory and then help them to your painting30300:22:15.779 --> 00:22:18.420a vision for them. I thinkin a lot of a lot of how30400:22:18.579 --> 00:22:22.859you and I think that's true ofyour nature in general, and what I30500:22:22.140 --> 00:22:26.859often will do is go back tolike some of the specifics that I see30600:22:26.740 --> 00:22:30.930a different approach. I love yourvision painting. I think it's really really30700:22:32.009 --> 00:22:37.130important and beautiful. But one ofthe things again, that that I think30800:22:37.329 --> 00:22:45.680is really fascinating in the story aboutElizabeth and Mary and they as they're bearing30900:22:45.240 --> 00:22:48.920these unborn children that are going tochange the world, Baby John and and31000:22:49.240 --> 00:22:56.680baby Jesus. And Mary goes tovisit Elizabeth for I think three months.31100:22:56.759 --> 00:23:00.630She stays with her cousin and itsays that when, when Elizabeth, when31200:23:00.750 --> 00:23:07.309Mary enters the room, Elizabeth filledwith the Holy Spirit. In Verse Forty31300:23:07.390 --> 00:23:11.109Four says for behold, when thesound of your reading reached my ears,31400:23:11.230 --> 00:23:15.059the baby leaped in my womb forjoy. I will talk about that a31500:23:15.220 --> 00:23:18.740lot again because I'm thinking about oneof our key talking points, of our31600:23:18.819 --> 00:23:25.059three talking points, is humanity ofthe baby, and here's a unborn baby31700:23:25.579 --> 00:23:30.089that's described as leaping for joy.Yeah, in the womb. So it31800:23:30.250 --> 00:23:37.289shows showing the humanity of that unbornchild. I think that's amazing. But31900:23:37.410 --> 00:23:41.680another thing that I will say andthat I think is expressed in this verse32000:23:42.359 --> 00:23:48.759is really the the first one togreet Jesus was an unborn baby, this32100:23:48.960 --> 00:23:55.750unborn baby greeting, leaping for joy, the unborn baby Jesus, knowing the32200:23:55.829 --> 00:24:00.430presence of the unborn baby Jesus.So it's the unborn meeting the or died.32300:24:00.549 --> 00:24:03.789Mean they didn't, I guess,technically meet. There was a womb32400:24:03.869 --> 00:24:06.990between them the skin, but,but, but, but, you get32500:24:07.069 --> 00:24:10.460my pointully, some kind of connectiongoing on there. There was a connection32600:24:10.579 --> 00:24:14.980that that baby knew that this washis Lord coming in into the room and32700:24:15.460 --> 00:24:18.579thereby, according to the scripture,humanizing the baby in the womb is not32800:24:18.740 --> 00:24:22.019just a blob of tissue or clumbof sales, but a human being that's32900:24:22.299 --> 00:24:26.250capable of, like you said,being full of the Holy Spirit. Yeah,33000:24:26.329 --> 00:24:30.369capable of responding to a spiritual experiencehere with the son of God being33100:24:30.410 --> 00:24:33.490in the same room. Yeah,and a baby leaping in the womb.33200:24:34.369 --> 00:24:38.039One of the prayers that we oftenpray in love life, as we're doing33300:24:38.279 --> 00:24:41.119our when our journeys with pastors,bringing them out to the abortion center,33400:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.559having them pray in front of theabortion center, or we're bringing our prayer33500:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.599groups out, is we pray specifically, just like John Leapt in Elizabeth's womb,33600:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.470we pray that those babies would leapin their mother's womb. And we've33700:24:52.470 --> 00:24:56.630actually had a story not too longago, is couple of months ago,33800:24:56.990 --> 00:25:00.069where a young lady was inside theabortion center and she was on the the33900:25:00.309 --> 00:25:03.630table, not the operating table,but she was on the table get an34000:25:03.630 --> 00:25:06.670ultra sound and if you remember thestory, but she felt her baby.34100:25:06.670 --> 00:25:08.900I think she was eighteen weeks orsomething. He was still within the range34200:25:08.940 --> 00:25:12.059of being able to have the abortionand she felt her baby. That was34300:25:12.180 --> 00:25:17.339the first, first time. Yeah, she felt her baby was inside the34400:25:17.420 --> 00:25:22.329womb, inside of the abortion center, right, and she came out ended,34500:25:22.369 --> 00:25:25.210up coming on board the MOBILTRA soundunit, chose life. Yeah,34600:25:25.329 --> 00:25:26.730and so that was an answer toprayer and it's kind of like this is34700:25:26.809 --> 00:25:30.170what we pray about. Yeah,and this is that again, that Christmas34800:25:30.210 --> 00:25:33.849story, and here it comes tolife in a sense, right in front34900:25:33.849 --> 00:25:36.640of us. Yeah, and it'samazing just how God uses that, that35000:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.839that prayer out of that story.Yeah, it's so beautiful. And and35100:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.319that picture of the unborn baby JohnLeaping in the womb for joy as the35200:25:45.480 --> 00:25:49.910unborn baby Jesus enters the room withhis you know, inside of his mother35300:25:49.990 --> 00:25:56.869Mary, I think points to avery basic, important truth that God is35400:25:56.069 --> 00:26:00.269pointing out the value of the unborn. I mean at its most basic level.35500:26:00.309 --> 00:26:04.500If you think about the Christmas story, Jesus could have come to earth35600:26:04.859 --> 00:26:07.980in any form, didn't even needto be human. But but let's say35700:26:08.099 --> 00:26:11.700he'd God, for very good reason, sends him as a human being.35800:26:12.380 --> 00:26:15.619He didn't need to come as anunborn yeah, child, he could have35900:26:15.700 --> 00:26:18.650comment, but I don't know,right at birth, if that was the36000:26:18.730 --> 00:26:22.690point at which humanity matters. Hecould have come as a thirty year old36100:26:22.690 --> 00:26:26.930or even as a twenty year oldand he could have had all those more36200:26:26.009 --> 00:26:32.450years of maybe ministry if he comesfully formed and God has already fed into36300:26:32.450 --> 00:26:37.160him in his growing up period.But he comes as an unborn baby.36400:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.279Yeah, and I think that isan amazing point. And to point that36500:26:41.440 --> 00:26:48.190out to women. God, ourcreator, our Savior, the savior of36600:26:48.269 --> 00:26:52.230the world, came as an unbornbaby. What does that say about God's36700:26:52.869 --> 00:26:59.470valuing of the unborn? Yeah,and of when life begins? Yeah,36800:26:59.710 --> 00:27:03.420yeah. I won't dig too deepin to this because it's not your point,36900:27:03.660 --> 00:27:07.180but I will say that Jesus didhave to come as a human being.37000:27:07.220 --> 00:27:10.940MMM. But I will agree withyour point that he could have come37100:27:11.140 --> 00:27:15.579as a full grown human being,could have come as a right toddler or37200:27:15.660 --> 00:27:18.930whatever. Yeah, but to savehuman beings he had to come as a37300:27:19.009 --> 00:27:25.329human being and we see that inthe Christmas story and that's that's the amazing37400:27:25.490 --> 00:27:32.440reality, and that's why I lovethe Christmas songs that talk about Jesus again.37500:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.079Oh come, oh come, Emmanuel. I mean, guys, I37600:27:34.160 --> 00:27:38.759Woan't encourage you through this seasons.Actually listen to the songs. Yeah,37700:27:40.440 --> 00:27:47.109because there's so much depth to them. Joy to the world. Listen to37800:27:47.150 --> 00:27:52.910the words of that song. Hecame to make his blessings known far as37900:27:52.990 --> 00:27:56.150the curses found. It's talking aboutthe curse of sin and Jesus coming to38000:27:56.349 --> 00:28:00.019make his blessings on my word.In that right, I think I'm learning.38100:28:00.099 --> 00:28:03.980I kind of you know, aswe are seeing those verses. Yeah,38200:28:03.980 --> 00:28:07.339which is kind of sad. Weonly sing the main important we first,38300:28:07.579 --> 00:28:11.059like your first and forth or whatever. Yeah, but listen to the38400:28:11.140 --> 00:28:15.289songs as as they're being play I'lltell you also, maybe this is for38500:28:15.369 --> 00:28:18.009you guys to if you haven't heardthis song before, it's a powerful song38600:28:18.089 --> 00:28:23.970and it's kind of a modern song, though it's from casting crowns and Gosh,38700:28:25.089 --> 00:28:27.839what's the name of the song?I'm want to look up the name38800:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.720of the song, but it isso powerful because they talked about in that38900:28:30.799 --> 00:28:37.799particular song about how we've embraced thephilosophy of Save the trees and kill the39000:28:37.799 --> 00:28:42.509children. You're that song. IfI do, I'm blanking on it.39100:28:42.910 --> 00:28:45.869Yeah, it's good. I'M gonnabefore we're done with this episode, I'm39200:28:45.910 --> 00:28:48.750going to share that. That's apowerful song. Yeah, but I'm just39300:28:48.910 --> 00:28:52.990want to encourage you guys, asyou're kind of going through the Christmas season.39400:28:53.230 --> 00:28:56.579Don't let these, the power ofthese songs and the depth that's in39500:28:56.660 --> 00:29:00.779these songs, in the depth ofthe reality of what took place when Jesus39600:29:00.859 --> 00:29:04.500came into this world, slip throughyour fingers and get lost in all the39700:29:04.980 --> 00:29:11.170you know, Santa Claus and gingerbreadand sprawls, the snow man and all39800:29:11.329 --> 00:29:15.329that stuff, and Miss Jesus inthe midst of it. Certainly we don't39900:29:15.329 --> 00:29:18.849want these women to Miss Jesus,but let us also not Miss Jesus.40000:29:18.849 --> 00:29:21.690And the name of the song.I just looked it up, okay,40100:29:21.769 --> 00:29:23.680as I was, yeah, talking. It's called why you were while you40200:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.480were sleeping. Oh, it's sopowerful. You should have let's do it40300:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.799when we leave today from recording this. Why should listen to it, while40400:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.240I'll use sleep, while you weresleepy. Yes, it's so good,40500:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.240so powerful. Yeah, but yeah, these songs again, these songs are40600:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.269on the forefront of these women's mindsto they're listening to them, probably has40700:29:41.309 --> 00:29:45.029they're going to the abortions and they'reprobably not thinking of the true meaning of40800:29:45.109 --> 00:29:48.829those words. And if you pointthem out, you know, listen to40900:29:48.990 --> 00:29:55.579this phrase from this song and thenyou read these verses from especially Luke.41000:29:56.380 --> 00:30:00.940I just happen to really loved Luke. But pointing out God's love of the41100:30:00.019 --> 00:30:03.339unborn, which is so clear.Yeah, and yeah, in the Christmas41200:30:03.380 --> 00:30:07.410story, I think it it canmake a powerful impact on these women.41300:30:07.650 --> 00:30:12.009Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, anotherthing I want to mention that I thought41400:30:12.130 --> 00:30:15.009was pretty cool we've actually done inthe past and we're actually going to wrap41500:30:15.049 --> 00:30:19.809up here in just a minute.Okay, is Christmas carely? Yeah,41600:30:19.930 --> 00:30:23.519it's kind of weird, you think, singing Christmas songs in front of the41700:30:23.559 --> 00:30:29.359abortion center, and not every scenariolends itself to that. I don't think41800:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.599out here at Latrobe is probably thebest place to do it with these crazy41900:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.480pro abortion people, but I knowsome of our team in New York.42000:30:36.190 --> 00:30:40.069I'd seen some things where they weredoing Christmas carol singing Christmas carols in front42100:30:40.069 --> 00:30:41.069of the abortion center. Yeah,and I think we have to do it,42200:30:41.150 --> 00:30:45.990obviously with with a somberness, youknow, a seriousness there, right,42300:30:45.390 --> 00:30:49.019but I do think maybe you havethe ability to play Christmas songs on42400:30:49.180 --> 00:30:52.420some kind of amplified sound as longas it doesn't drowned out your voices and42500:30:52.940 --> 00:30:59.259you can still be heard playing someof these Christmas songs over a sound system.42600:30:59.380 --> 00:31:03.650Singing Christmas carols, could really,really awaken the conscience of some of42700:31:03.650 --> 00:31:08.170these women going into the abortion centerbecause these songs in this Christmas story is42800:31:08.250 --> 00:31:12.329so powerful, it's so redemptive,and so will encourage you, guys.42900:31:14.369 --> 00:31:17.690I don't want to I don't wantto encourage you to manipulate. We're not43000:31:17.730 --> 00:31:22.359talking about manipulation. We're talking aboutspringboarding off of this reality that's on the43100:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.759forefront of people's minds to help speakthe truth and save lives. Well,43200:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.839we're Gospel centered pro life ministry andthat's what this podcast is all about,43300:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.150as using the Gospel. And thisis the Gospel, this is this is43400:31:34.390 --> 00:31:38.509the story of the birth of OurLord and save here and the faith of43500:31:38.789 --> 00:31:45.509some really wonderful characters, and Ithink we we need to to use these43600:31:45.630 --> 00:31:52.619powerful verses to help women to reallythink about the parallel between their own situation43700:31:52.019 --> 00:31:57.500and their own baby and God's planand purpose. Yeah, and then Mary43800:31:57.779 --> 00:32:04.609and her baby and his glorious planand purpose. Yeah, Amen. Amen.43900:32:05.210 --> 00:32:07.329Well, guys, we appreciate youlistening and we'd appreciate, as always,44000:32:07.369 --> 00:32:12.250if you would share this podcast episodewith others. Also, we'd appreciate44100:32:12.329 --> 00:32:15.529if you'd reach out to us letus know if you have suggestions for future44200:32:15.529 --> 00:32:17.160podcast that we can do. Maybeyou have a word of encouragement, maybe44300:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.480you were blessed by one of theepisodes, maybe you're blessed by this episode.44400:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.200Let us know when to hear fromyou. You can reach out to44500:32:23.279 --> 00:32:27.920me, Daniel at Love Life DotOrg. You reach her Vicky at Love44600:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.549Life Dot Org. And until nexttime, God bless God, bless you44700:32:30.710 --> 00:32:38.869all, and Merry Christmas, Mary, Christmas. Give our love for love.44800:32:43.589 --> 00:32:52.019Give me our love for gratitude.I know it will cost me my44900:32:52.380 --> 00:32:59.769life. Nothing's too precious in someyou