March 3, 2022

Case Study - High Risk Pregnancy

Case Study - High Risk Pregnancy

Mama “T” showed up at the abortion center because her doctor told abortion was the only safe option for her. By God’s grace, Vicky was able to talk and pray with her before she went into the abortion center. In this episode, we equip you by sharing that amazing story and how to Lord used sidewalk ministry to not only save her baby but save another family as well.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.679 And then the even more wonderful additional end of the story. She stood up 2 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:15.080 and she she was horrified by the callous, hardheartedness and even just joking manner 3 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:18.399 of so many of the women in there as they're about to kill their baby. 4 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:22.399 While she's going through all of this ankst yeah, she saw one other 5 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.640 couple sitting in the waiting room and she said she knew looking at them that 6 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:31.280 they were struggling with this decision. Yeah, she went over to them and 7 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:35.960 said, I'm going to leave, I'm going to keep my baby. You 8 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:41.119 don't have to stay here. You know you can leave too. I Am 9 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:46.280 Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me, Lord, 10 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:52.200 I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pray 11 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:57.600 Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro 12 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.560 life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. 13 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:15.640 I felt show Passih touchs your Lord, use me love. Welcome back to 14 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.439 the Gospel centered pro life podcast. We appreciate you, guys, joining us 15 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:26.799 as always, and with this episode we're going to do something that we haven't 16 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.680 done in a while. We're going to do a case study on. By 17 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:33.159 the way, I forgot to mention I'm Daniel Parks. I'm Vicky cassier. 18 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.519 Yes, she is. So, yeah, we're going to jump into a 19 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:42.719 case study and basically a story that's played out and I think is still playing 20 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:47.640 out, yeah, of a mom that chose life that we met, Vicky 21 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:51.599 met, at the abortion center. Now, I think these are helpful because 22 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:55.640 we kind of share with you the flow of things, some of the initial 23 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.640 conversations, how that went, how things progressed for her to choose life and 24 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:02.760 some of the connections that were made. I think this kind of gives you 25 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:08.960 guys, a real world view of our interactions with the mom that chooses life 26 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:13.240 and some of the things that are helpful, maybe some of the things that 27 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.319 we learned along the way. And so we're going to be talking in this. 28 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:21.240 We're going to call her we mama tea. Mama Tea, okay, 29 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:23.240 so first name starts with tea. Will give you that much, but we 30 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:28.000 obviously don't want to anything further, so we just call her tea. I 31 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.719 guess it's Talk Tea, all right, and tea is in a high risk 32 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:38.319 maternity situation and this is one of those. Yeah, it's rare, but 33 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:43.240 not super rare, like we encounter these at the abortion center quite often. 34 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:46.719 I guess I'll us. I will tell you I often hear from my mom 35 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.199 that it's high risk. Yeah, but that's not always the truth, right, 36 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.319 right. So we're going to talk about some of that as well. 37 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:57.319 And so hopefully this will help equip you, guys and help give you some 38 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.759 confidence if you encounter this situation, or maybe you have already encountered a situation 39 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:06.000 like this. Some of these principles, some of this experience will hopefully help 40 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.000 equip you and, yeah, keep you moving forward and help you be as 41 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:15.759 effective as possible and maybe you can learn from our mistakes, because we make 42 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:20.120 them from time to time. Yeah, this one, this one really was 43 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.360 a really I think it's a really good case to discuss because there are a 44 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.840 lot of components to it that I think can train and help people. But 45 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.159 this woman pulled up to the driveway of the abortion center, she was about 46 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.560 to turn in. She stopped, wrote down her window, stopped for me 47 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.840 and I instantly handed her the literature. Right, that's step number one. 48 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.360 Even before I say hi. I am saying hi as I'm handing her the 49 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.759 literature. They almost always then take it. Hi, my name is Vicky. 50 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.919 We have hope and help available for you. And before I could say 51 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:01.360 much further, she said, look, I really appreciate what you're doing here. 52 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:05.719 I don't hear that often, right, but she and and her eyes 53 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:11.400 instantly are already watering. I appreciate what what you're doing here. I don't 54 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.639 want to be here, but I have no choice. I will die if 55 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.680 I have this baby. Yeah, is what she said. So, like 56 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:23.240 I said, I've heard this this many times. Many times it turns out 57 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:28.319 it was not true, but she I immediately asked her then, what's going 58 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.680 on? Yeah, I'm really saw sorry. What's going on? And she 59 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.439 said she had a young baby at home who she almost died when that baby 60 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:40.839 was born because her her uterus ruptured. Yeah, and I know that is 61 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:46.040 serious, and so she had not had enough time since that rupture before she 62 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:51.920 was now pregnant again, and she said that her doctor had said that that 63 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:58.839 she would die. That's that's the first part of the scenario. Yeah, 64 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:03.160 that's pretty heavy situation to be encountering there for sure. Yeah, yeah, 65 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.199 and, like you said, to hear from her, I appreciate what you 66 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:11.600 guys are doing here. What she's done in a sense, which is kind 67 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:18.279 of understandable, is she's distant, disconnected herself from abortion exactly and really just, 68 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:24.759 well, that's what people like. They do the people who are inside 69 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.600 of there already or whatever. But I'm not like that. My situation is 70 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.120 different, which her situation is different in the sense that she's in a Harris 71 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.399 maternity situation. Parent, yeah, but it's not different in the sense that 72 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.160 she still would be going in there to take the life of her babies. 73 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.399 That needs to be like we've always said, we've got to meet these women 74 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:48.680 with compassion, as silly sometimes as their circumstances might seem to us. We 75 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:54.279 have to meet him with compassion. As heavy as their situations seem to us, 76 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.600 and this is a heavy situation, we still have to meet them with 77 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.000 compassion. Compassion is we of passion. We have to suffer with him, 78 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:04.839 as we're passion you probably, you guysn't probably Hurd me say that compassion, 79 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:11.519 if you break it down the prefixes with calm means with and the word passion 80 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.240 means suffering. We have to suffer with them, and so I know you 81 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.079 did, identifying with her pains she's already crying, right. Yeah, got 82 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.560 to connect with them on that level because what they're going through is pretty heavy, 83 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:24.920 right. And so that was, you know, and there's some other 84 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:29.040 principles that I didn't write down in the article that we accompany this podcast with, 85 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.079 but things getting the information in their hands right away, smiling, waving, 86 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.279 showing that your trustworthy and friendly. But I did say I'm sorry several 87 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:41.240 times, and then asking what's going on, getting their story if she was 88 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.399 willing to tell me. So, you know, I I instantly did say, 89 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.439 I feel terrible for you, I am so sorry, but but listen, 90 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:55.279 we have a high risk doctor that can talk with you for for free. 91 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.480 Have you gotten a second opinion? And that's always an important thing, 92 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.600 thing to mention. But Um, she she stopped when I said that and 93 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:11.560 kind of adapt at her eyes and and said, I, I, I 94 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:17.360 just can't write, I can't and then I said do you know God? 95 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:23.279 That was do you know God, and that made her start to cry even 96 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:31.279 harder. Right. So there's a couple of main principles in in that segment 97 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:36.439 of of my encounter with her, which not every community is going to have 98 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:41.759 a high risk writer. Yeah, but most do, and we have one 99 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.639 that will actually talk to anyone nationally. So, you know, offering that 100 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:53.000 second opinion. Yeah, and and offering a high risk doctor to talk with 101 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.079 her. Yeah, that's definitely a powerful tool to have if you have a 102 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:03.600 high risk doctor locally in your area you've connected with. I mean I'm sure 103 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.360 there are, like you said, in every area there's there's some high risk 104 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.079 doctor right that has dealt with situations like this. But whether or not they 105 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.720 will be on your team and whether or not they would be willing to talk 106 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.120 to women as a whole other story. Yeah, so it's good to if 107 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:22.079 you can find out about that before you ever step onto a sidewalk, because 108 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.040 it's easily found out if it's in your community. But one of the at 109 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:31.600 as we continue to talk, then I knew that God was in the equation 110 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.799 because her eyes got even more she was crying even harder. When I said 111 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.600 do you know God? I think she nodded at the point at that point. 112 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:46.360 But then I talked about the certainty of the death of that child, 113 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:52.759 if she had no portion, bumped up against the possibility that she might die, 114 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.159 and that's an important point, I think, to make in any in 115 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:01.120 any situation where they're talking about the possibility of either the child's death or the 116 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.759 possibility of the maternal the mother's death. Yeah, in and that's not to 117 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.080 just kind of push upside her concerns, right. Obviously we don't want her 118 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.960 to die. Yeah, we don't want the baby to die either. Right. 119 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.960 And, like you said, what Vig he's talking about is that contrast 120 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.440 between your you've been told that you may die. There's such and such a 121 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.399 present chance that you may die if you get through this pregnancy. That, 122 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.399 though, is not a certainty, right, but if you go through with 123 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.080 an abortion, mean the the goal of the abortion is to kill the child. 124 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.879 So if the abortion is successful, then that's a certainty that baby's going 125 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:45.039 to die. Right, and bumping that message up against keep offering that high 126 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:50.440 risk doctor or a pro life doctor with a with a second opinion. And 127 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:52.279 then I asked her to pull over and she said, listen, let me 128 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.639 think about it. I'm going to look this pamphlet over and think about it. 129 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.960 Yeah, so before she left, I said, can I pray with 130 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.440 you, because I knew she's going to drive away. Now she's she has, 131 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:09.759 she has reached her limit of talking with me. It's clear. Yeah. 132 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.960 So I said, can I pray with you, and she nodded and 133 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.639 I prayed that God would help her to trust him in this very hard thing, 134 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.879 that that she would consider not only the struggle she's going through but the 135 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.159 struggle that that poor baby's going to go through if from if she decides to 136 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:31.120 take that child's life, and that God would give her discernment. Yeah, 137 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:37.000 do its best. And then and pretty much closed. There and to my 138 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.840 surprise, she did not pull into the driveway. She drove down and pulled 139 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.480 into the next driveway, which is the call center. Yeah, and obviously 140 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.799 conflicted, obviously there does not have her mind set on abortion. Yeah. 141 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.480 Yeah, yeah, and so that offering of prayer. Yeah, and I 142 00:10:54.519 --> 00:11:00.919 love what, again, Daniel, what you taught me in praying, if 143 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.840 you you know. Okay, they're about to leave. It's time to pray. 144 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.399 Yeah, and to pray at them right. Yeah, and in that 145 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.519 prayer to be reiterating, you know, the main points of what you've already 146 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.360 yes, something to the effect of God. And now I'll try to get 147 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.000 their name at that point. Yeah, and I'm praying God, please help 148 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.600 tea to see, yeah, your love for her. The fact that you 149 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.360 care for her and you care about her situation and help her also to see 150 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:30.600 your love for her baby, right, that you value this child and you 151 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.840 have a good plan for her baby, and that, Lord, if you'll 152 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.919 put her trust in you, you're with her through this whole situation. Now, 153 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.039 when I'm praying, I want to be careful not to pray. I 154 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:45.759 know that she's going to be okay and thank you God, that she's absolutely 155 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.000 not going to suffering the issues that you don't know. That right, but 156 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.039 I do know that God will be near her if you she puts her trust 157 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.919 in him. Yeah, and I do have confidence that the Lord is a 158 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.799 healer, and so I may even pray something like that. Lord, I 159 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.279 pray that you would heal her, that the wounds that she has in her 160 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:07.240 uterus would be quickly hue, because that's the issue. Her uterus apparently been 161 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.120 sewn back together and it could rupture, ruptree in and so see. Yeah, 162 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.519 so, anyway, I'm praying at them, but I'm also careful not 163 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:20.440 to you. I don't want to give false hope either. Right. Yeah, 164 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.480 yeah, so, as she pulls over and she's sitting in the other 165 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:30.240 call center parking lot, I wanted to be visible. I wanted her to 166 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.639 know I had not abandoned her, but I was far enough away that I 167 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:39.240 hoped it was the right balance between intrusive visible but not intrusive. So I 168 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:45.639 was standing there and used my time to call our high risk doctor right who 169 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:50.440 fortunately did pick up. I told her the situation and I said what do 170 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:52.840 you think? We can you talk with her, and Edith as her name. 171 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.440 He said yes, she would be more than happy to talk about her, 172 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.159 but she said this is serious. She's not lying. It is this 173 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.240 is a serious issue and I'm going to do some research, but I'd be 174 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.360 happy to talk with her and I would need to ask her some questions. 175 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.960 Can it? Can I get a little bit more of her background? So 176 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:13.600 the woman was in the car, clearly sobbing her eyes out. Yeah, 177 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.240 reading the pamphlet. I saw her reading the pamphlet and I saw her on 178 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.919 the phone and I just was I was visibly praying then, yeah, so 179 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.759 that she knew that I was calling on God to as she's as she's going 180 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:37.000 through through this discussion and and then she starts up her car and starts to 181 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:46.000 pull out and she did roll down her window for me and at the same 182 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.600 time the owner, well, I don't know if he's the owner, I 183 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:54.200 don't know who he is, but he's someone high up in the abortion center, 184 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.399 pulled in, almost hit me with his car, gets out of his 185 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:03.919 car and comes fearious with at me, running over. And as this is 186 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:11.600 happening, I'm taut still talking to tea and said can I, can I 187 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:16.279 give you Dr Edith's number, and she said yes, I start writing it 188 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:22.639 down and this man comes barreling at me, inches from my face. He 189 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:28.200 has pushed me before. We know he can be violent. Yeah, and 190 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:33.679 this does play into the story, believe me. And at that moment our 191 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:39.919 counselor one of my fellow counselors, saw this, knew this guy has the 192 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:43.840 potential to be violent and she pulled out her phone, came at US videotaping 193 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:50.720 right so because she wanted to have evidence, should I get beaten up or 194 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.120 whatever for the police. Yeah, and she was afraid that I was going 195 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.000 to get beaten up. And when the woman, when tea, saw the 196 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:07.960 phone video and clearly videotaping, she then was angry and said are you videotaping 197 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.320 me? Rolled up the window before I could get to eat. This number 198 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:16.559 to her and pulled out and write the abortion center. What's our key point 199 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.799 here, Daniel? Yeah, but I mean that's a that that's kind of 200 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.039 a difficult balance there, because I think it was we teach our people to 201 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:28.799 pull out your phone and start video and right when something crazy starts happening. 202 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:33.759 Right, but it is good, if we're careful, as a careful as 203 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.600 we can be, not to appear to be videoing patients. Yeah, I 204 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.120 don't know that there was any way to avoid that in that situation. Maybe 205 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.279 put your phone a little down. I mean, the end of the day, 206 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.200 we have we have no there's no incentive for us to video patients. 207 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.480 Yep, right, and it does create a barrier and a breach of trust. 208 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.840 You've already built trust with her. I would say, though, just 209 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.720 hearing the scenario and how it played out. Like I've said in the past, 210 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:06.799 these women are oftentimes grasping for two things at the same time. They're 211 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.879 grasping for a justification to a board and to write off of all that we're 212 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.480 saying, and they're grasping for a justification to leave. Yeah, right, 213 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:19.159 and so I think that videotaping scenario was her grasping for a reason to go 214 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.159 ahead and a board. Just do it and forget about what this this lady 215 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.240 on the sidewalks head because, after all, she breached trust and she videotaping 216 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.919 me. Yeah, and I think that's what it was. It's it shows 217 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.559 that fight in her mind, because she didn't even give you an opportunity to 218 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.440 explain. She didn't even take in the fact that this guy was being belligerent 219 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.960 and angry and all that stuff like. I mean, my question would be 220 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:44.240 if I was reasonably thinking, why are you yelling at me? I'm in 221 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:45.759 the driveway here talking to this person. Why are you yelling? You know 222 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:49.080 you're supposed to be running the facility here and you're acting like a fool. 223 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.159 But again, these women that we encounter in very difficult situations a lot of 224 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:59.320 chaos in their minds. You can't you can't expect them to be thinking things 225 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:00.679 through very clearly. So, yeah, that's what I would say. Just 226 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.920 be careful as your videotape and so keep this in your mind when I get 227 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.000 to the end of the story, because it's not the how it truly ended. 228 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.079 I don't mention in this article. So I want you to remember what 229 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.799 you just said. All of that. Anyway, I did call out to 230 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.079 her. She's driving away. No, we were videotaping him, but that 231 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.000 was all I could say. And she's gone. So she get I felt 232 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.599 like I'd been punched. I was like, Oh, I had her. 233 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.039 Yeah, no, she was. I was just about to hander edith's number 234 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:38.000 and she drives into the abortion center. So she drives in and she was 235 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:44.119 in there for like an hour. The abortionist arrives in the meantime. She's 236 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.200 in there, the hours going on. I got really busy with with other 237 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:55.920 things and you know, I felt awful that poor counselor. Felt awful because 238 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.480 she, you know, she was saying the same thing you're saying. I 239 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.119 don't know what else I could have done. Yeah, and and there really 240 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.599 wasn't. She was in a very bad position. So anyway, a little 241 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:15.519 about an hour later, wait before the hour later, I actually got on 242 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:19.079 the mic and I started talking about fear, because this was a woman who 243 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:23.599 was obviously afraid of dying and it was fear that was fueling this decision. 244 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:27.680 This was a time when I felt the MIC would be useful to address. 245 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:32.240 I didn't talk about people in a high risk pregnancy or anything like that. 246 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.839 I just I address the issue of fear over the microphone and we know that, 247 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:38.640 or we think that, they can hear us in the bit in the 248 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:44.079 back room. And then I see, like an hour later, her car 249 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.559 pull out again. The abortionist has come. So I'm assuming she had the 250 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:55.359 abortion. Yeah, and she stopped for that very counselor who had been videotaping 251 00:18:55.440 --> 00:19:02.279 her. Told that counselor she had chosen life. That counselor started crying. 252 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:03.720 I'm I'm way on the other side, by the way, I'm waiting, 253 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.000 way down the street, but I'm seeing and thinking, wait, I think 254 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:12.359 that's that car. And then I see that counselor hand her blessing bag, 255 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:17.440 which I know means she's changed her mind. We've given her a gift. 256 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:23.119 She's chosen life. And and at as she's coming towards me, she instantly 257 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:29.599 pulls over, rolls down her window and said I didn't do it, and 258 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.079 I has laid my head down on the window and started sobbing because I was 259 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.960 it had been so emotional right and I had thought this baby was dead and 260 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:45.240 here it was still alive. She had saved the baby's life and and the 261 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.880 my main kind of point is here in this segment of it, is just 262 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:55.079 never give up. Yeah, net never, never give up, and rejoice 263 00:19:55.119 --> 00:20:00.920 that that in you were there and privileged to see right it' this amazing transformation. 264 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:04.720 So the end of the story, though, that isn't in here. 265 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:11.599 Is She wanted to mentor from our from our love life program she wanted to 266 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:18.279 mentor someone that would walk alongside her as her story unfolds. It turns out 267 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:26.319 she actually went back later to the OBGYN. It was not as high risk 268 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.759 as she had indicated. Yeah, you know, she needs to be followed 269 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:36.480 and she should be followed by a his doctor, but that generally these things 270 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:38.599 turn out fine. She'll they'll take the baby a little early. Do is 271 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.440 see section a little early. So if she goes into Labor yet there is 272 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:47.519 a danger of the the uter in rupture, but probably not through the rest 273 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:51.480 of the pregnancy and they know what to look for. But Um, what 274 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:59.119 she told me was, first of all, she did know that that man 275 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:03.759 was a jerk coming over, from what he she said he tried to run 276 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.319 you over and I said, you know the lady taping you. We destroyed 277 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:08.799 that tape. I want you to know. As soon as he didn't hit 278 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:14.480 me, we knew we didn't need that video. We took it off our 279 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.640 phones. It's deleted. And she said, Oh, I knew, I 280 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.400 knew why you were taping me. So you're right, Daniel, she did 281 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:26.440 know. Yeah, she knew, and it was part of an excuse to 282 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:32.000 go back in. But she said while she was in there for an hour. 283 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.599 She was in there. She said she told them, she went to 284 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.279 the front. I said listen, give me a minute. She sat down. 285 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.880 That minute turned into an hour. She was crying most of the time 286 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:51.960 and she said what, what opened her heart to considering life was the prayer. 287 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.240 It wasn't really what we had said, it wasn't what I said in 288 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.279 the prayer, it wasn't what she heard over the mic. It was that 289 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:06.519 God was now forefront in her mind. Yeah, because we had prayed. 290 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:14.559 Yeah, and so that's such a key, key element, I think, 291 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.119 for us all to remember. Yeah, in our interactions with this mom you 292 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:25.799 can pray with them and the very act of praying is what's important, not 293 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:30.000 if you have the exact white words. Yeah, and then the even more 294 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:34.039 wonderful additional end of the story. She stood up, she finally, she 295 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:41.200 said, God just finally said you can't do this. She stood up and 296 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:49.640 she she was horrified by the callous, hardheartedness and even just joking manner of 297 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.880 so many of the women in there as they're about to kill their baby while 298 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:59.079 she's going through all of this ankst yeah, she saw one other couple sitting 299 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:03.240 in the waiting room and she said she knew looking at them that they were 300 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:07.920 struggling with this decision. Yeah, she went over to them and said I'm 301 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.960 going to leave, I'm going to keep my baby. You don't have to 302 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.920 stay here. You know you can leave too. Yeah, and they got 303 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:22.440 up and followed her out and left. So a few things. When that 304 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:27.559 counselor was videotaping her and giving her an excuse to go in, if she 305 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.400 hadn't gone in, she wouldn't have seen that couple, she wouldn't have had 306 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:38.440 that war between good and evil, she wouldn't have seen it acting out right 307 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:44.799 in front of her. Yeah, in the other clients and that second baby 308 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:51.000 that was saved, might not have been saying yeah, so God uses so 309 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:55.200 much. We had to be there, we had to be there, but 310 00:23:55.359 --> 00:24:00.319 look at how everything worked together. Yeah, for the good of those who 311 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.200 love the Lord and have been called according to his purpose. Yeah, yeah, 312 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.640 that's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. It's encouraging. Yeah, and 313 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.000 so, guys, we hope that this case study was an encouragement to you, 314 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.160 guys, and that we gave you some principles and just kind of walked 315 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:19.599 you through that story. There's still I mean the story is not over, 316 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.880 that baby's not yet been born and there's still some mentoring that's taken place. 317 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.480 And she said one of the main issues that she faced was her milk supply 318 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:32.039 was running out and she needed formula. And I come to the office and 319 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.400 guess what, there were two big cases of formula. So I called her 320 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.640 and had her come meet me and yesterday I gave her the formula. Yeah, 321 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:44.079 that's cool. Yeah, so, guys. Yeah, yeah, we 322 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.200 think this was a blessing. You hope it was a blessing to you. 323 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.559 You can certainly reach out and share maybe some feedback, maybe some questions, 324 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.680 maybe a little bit of encouragement. Maybe you want to throw a review, 325 00:24:55.720 --> 00:25:00.279 five story view into the the reviews only pocket kick that down the street at 326 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.880 all. We take it, gladly, love it. We'd love some some 327 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:08.319 positive reviews on our podcast. We'd love for you guys to share this podcast. 328 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.759 Maybe it would be encouraging to someone else. So certainly we encourage you 329 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.680 guys to share this episode with others. You can reach me Daniel Love Life 330 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.519 Dot Org. If you have suggestions for other episode, you can reach Vicky, 331 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.920 Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. Maybe you want to bounce some things 332 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.680 off of Vicky, maybe you want to pick her brain on sidewalk counseling stuff. 333 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.559 So I know she'd be more than happy to answer any questions that you 334 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.480 guys have. Of but until next time, God bless God, bless you 335 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:45.759 all. Give me our lift for love. Give me our life for gratitude. 336 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:57.200 I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. 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