Case Study - High Risk Pregnancy

WEBVTT100:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.679And then the even more wonderful additionalend of the story. She stood up200:00:05.719 --> 00:00:15.080and she she was horrified by thecallous, hardheartedness and even just joking manner300:00:15.240 --> 00:00:18.399of so many of the women inthere as they're about to kill their baby.400:00:18.440 --> 00:00:22.399While she's going through all of thisankst yeah, she saw one other500:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.640couple sitting in the waiting room andshe said she knew looking at them that600:00:27.679 --> 00:00:31.280they were struggling with this decision.Yeah, she went over to them and700:00:31.320 --> 00:00:35.960said, I'm going to leave,I'm going to keep my baby. You800:00:36.039 --> 00:00:41.119don't have to stay here. Youknow you can leave too. I Am900:00:41.200 --> 00:00:46.280Yours, I am yours, Iam yours. And Me, Lord,1000:00:46.759 --> 00:00:52.200I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pray1100:00:52.280 --> 00:00:57.600Life Podcast, a podcast designed toequip, encourage and challenge you in pro1200:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.560life ministry, and always with afocus on the Gospel. Stay tuned.1300:01:03.560 --> 00:01:15.640I felt show Passih touchs your Lord, use me love. Welcome back to1400:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.439the Gospel centered pro life podcast.We appreciate you, guys, joining us1500:01:19.480 --> 00:01:26.799as always, and with this episodewe're going to do something that we haven't1600:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.680done in a while. We're goingto do a case study on. By1700:01:29.719 --> 00:01:33.159the way, I forgot to mentionI'm Daniel Parks. I'm Vicky cassier.1800:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.519Yes, she is. So,yeah, we're going to jump into a1900:01:37.719 --> 00:01:42.719case study and basically a story that'splayed out and I think is still playing2000:01:42.760 --> 00:01:47.640out, yeah, of a momthat chose life that we met, Vicky2100:01:47.680 --> 00:01:51.599met, at the abortion center.Now, I think these are helpful because2200:01:51.640 --> 00:01:55.640we kind of share with you theflow of things, some of the initial2300:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.640conversations, how that went, howthings progressed for her to choose life and2400:02:00.760 --> 00:02:02.760some of the connections that were made. I think this kind of gives you2500:02:02.760 --> 00:02:08.960guys, a real world view ofour interactions with the mom that chooses life2600:02:08.960 --> 00:02:13.240and some of the things that arehelpful, maybe some of the things that2700:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.319we learned along the way. Andso we're going to be talking in this.2800:02:16.360 --> 00:02:21.240We're going to call her we mamatea. Mama Tea, okay,2900:02:21.319 --> 00:02:23.240so first name starts with tea.Will give you that much, but we3000:02:23.280 --> 00:02:28.000obviously don't want to anything further,so we just call her tea. I3100:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.719guess it's Talk Tea, all right, and tea is in a high risk3200:02:31.840 --> 00:02:38.319maternity situation and this is one ofthose. Yeah, it's rare, but3300:02:38.360 --> 00:02:43.240not super rare, like we encounterthese at the abortion center quite often.3400:02:43.280 --> 00:02:46.719I guess I'll us. I willtell you I often hear from my mom3500:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.199that it's high risk. Yeah,but that's not always the truth, right,3600:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.319right. So we're going to talkabout some of that as well.3700:02:53.360 --> 00:02:57.319And so hopefully this will help equipyou, guys and help give you some3800:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.759confidence if you encounter this situation,or maybe you have already encountered a situation3900:03:00.879 --> 00:03:06.000like this. Some of these principles, some of this experience will hopefully help4000:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.000equip you and, yeah, keepyou moving forward and help you be as4100:03:09.000 --> 00:03:15.759effective as possible and maybe you canlearn from our mistakes, because we make4200:03:15.800 --> 00:03:20.120them from time to time. Yeah, this one, this one really was4300:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.360a really I think it's a reallygood case to discuss because there are a4400:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.840lot of components to it that Ithink can train and help people. But4500:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.159this woman pulled up to the drivewayof the abortion center, she was about4600:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.560to turn in. She stopped,wrote down her window, stopped for me4700:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.840and I instantly handed her the literature. Right, that's step number one.4800:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.360Even before I say hi. Iam saying hi as I'm handing her the4900:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.759literature. They almost always then takeit. Hi, my name is Vicky.5000:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.919We have hope and help available foryou. And before I could say5100:03:55.560 --> 00:04:01.360much further, she said, look, I really appreciate what you're doing here.5200:04:01.400 --> 00:04:05.719I don't hear that often, right, but she and and her eyes5300:04:05.759 --> 00:04:11.400instantly are already watering. I appreciatewhat what you're doing here. I don't5400:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.639want to be here, but Ihave no choice. I will die if5500:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.680I have this baby. Yeah,is what she said. So, like5600:04:18.759 --> 00:04:23.240I said, I've heard this thismany times. Many times it turns out5700:04:23.279 --> 00:04:28.319it was not true, but sheI immediately asked her then, what's going5800:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.680on? Yeah, I'm really sawsorry. What's going on? And she5900:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.439said she had a young baby athome who she almost died when that baby6000:04:34.560 --> 00:04:40.839was born because her her uterus ruptured. Yeah, and I know that is6100:04:40.920 --> 00:04:46.040serious, and so she had nothad enough time since that rupture before she6200:04:46.120 --> 00:04:51.920was now pregnant again, and shesaid that her doctor had said that that6300:04:53.000 --> 00:04:58.839she would die. That's that's thefirst part of the scenario. Yeah,6400:04:59.000 --> 00:05:03.160that's pretty heavy situation to be encounteringthere for sure. Yeah, yeah,6500:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.199and, like you said, tohear from her, I appreciate what you6600:05:06.199 --> 00:05:11.600guys are doing here. What she'sdone in a sense, which is kind6700:05:11.639 --> 00:05:18.279of understandable, is she's distant,disconnected herself from abortion exactly and really just,6800:05:18.480 --> 00:05:24.759well, that's what people like.They do the people who are inside6900:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.600of there already or whatever. ButI'm not like that. My situation is7000:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.120different, which her situation is differentin the sense that she's in a Harris7100:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.399maternity situation. Parent, yeah,but it's not different in the sense that7200:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.160she still would be going in thereto take the life of her babies.7300:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.399That needs to be like we've alwayssaid, we've got to meet these women7400:05:43.480 --> 00:05:48.680with compassion, as silly sometimes astheir circumstances might seem to us. We7500:05:48.680 --> 00:05:54.279have to meet him with compassion.As heavy as their situations seem to us,7600:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.600and this is a heavy situation,we still have to meet them with7700:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.000compassion. Compassion is we of passion. We have to suffer with him,7800:06:01.000 --> 00:06:04.839as we're passion you probably, youguysn't probably Hurd me say that compassion,7900:06:04.879 --> 00:06:11.519if you break it down the prefixeswith calm means with and the word passion8000:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.240means suffering. We have to sufferwith them, and so I know you8100:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.079did, identifying with her pains she'salready crying, right. Yeah, got8200:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.560to connect with them on that levelbecause what they're going through is pretty heavy,8300:06:21.639 --> 00:06:24.920right. And so that was,you know, and there's some other8400:06:24.959 --> 00:06:29.040principles that I didn't write down inthe article that we accompany this podcast with,8500:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.079but things getting the information in theirhands right away, smiling, waving,8600:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.279showing that your trustworthy and friendly.But I did say I'm sorry several8700:06:36.319 --> 00:06:41.240times, and then asking what's goingon, getting their story if she was8800:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.399willing to tell me. So,you know, I I instantly did say,8900:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.439I feel terrible for you, Iam so sorry, but but listen,9000:06:49.519 --> 00:06:55.279we have a high risk doctor thatcan talk with you for for free.9100:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.480Have you gotten a second opinion?And that's always an important thing,9200:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.600thing to mention. But Um,she she stopped when I said that and9300:07:05.720 --> 00:07:11.560kind of adapt at her eyes andand said, I, I, I9400:07:11.600 --> 00:07:17.360just can't write, I can't andthen I said do you know God?9500:07:17.360 --> 00:07:23.279That was do you know God,and that made her start to cry even9600:07:23.279 --> 00:07:31.279harder. Right. So there's acouple of main principles in in that segment9700:07:31.360 --> 00:07:36.439of of my encounter with her,which not every community is going to have9800:07:36.480 --> 00:07:41.759a high risk writer. Yeah,but most do, and we have one9900:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.639that will actually talk to anyone nationally. So, you know, offering that10000:07:46.680 --> 00:07:53.000second opinion. Yeah, and andoffering a high risk doctor to talk with10100:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.079her. Yeah, that's definitely apowerful tool to have if you have a10200:07:57.199 --> 00:08:03.600high risk doctor locally in your areayou've connected with. I mean I'm sure10300:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.360there are, like you said,in every area there's there's some high risk10400:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.079doctor right that has dealt with situationslike this. But whether or not they10500:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.720will be on your team and whetheror not they would be willing to talk10600:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.120to women as a whole other story. Yeah, so it's good to if10700:08:18.160 --> 00:08:22.079you can find out about that beforeyou ever step onto a sidewalk, because10800:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.040it's easily found out if it's inyour community. But one of the at10900:08:26.040 --> 00:08:31.600as we continue to talk, thenI knew that God was in the equation11000:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.799because her eyes got even more shewas crying even harder. When I said11100:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.600do you know God? I thinkshe nodded at the point at that point.11200:08:39.639 --> 00:08:46.360But then I talked about the certaintyof the death of that child,11300:08:46.399 --> 00:08:52.759if she had no portion, bumpedup against the possibility that she might die,11400:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.159and that's an important point, Ithink, to make in any in11500:08:56.240 --> 00:09:01.120any situation where they're talking about thepossibility of either the child's death or the11600:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.759possibility of the maternal the mother's death. Yeah, in and that's not to11700:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.080just kind of push upside her concerns, right. Obviously we don't want her11800:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.960to die. Yeah, we don'twant the baby to die either. Right.11900:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.960And, like you said, whatVig he's talking about is that contrast12000:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.440between your you've been told that youmay die. There's such and such a12100:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.399present chance that you may die ifyou get through this pregnancy. That,12200:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.399though, is not a certainty,right, but if you go through with12300:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.080an abortion, mean the the goalof the abortion is to kill the child.12400:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.879So if the abortion is successful,then that's a certainty that baby's going12500:09:39.919 --> 00:09:45.039to die. Right, and bumpingthat message up against keep offering that high12600:09:45.120 --> 00:09:50.440risk doctor or a pro life doctorwith a with a second opinion. And12700:09:50.480 --> 00:09:52.279then I asked her to pull overand she said, listen, let me12800:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.639think about it. I'm going tolook this pamphlet over and think about it.12900:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.960Yeah, so before she left,I said, can I pray with13000:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.440you, because I knew she's goingto drive away. Now she's she has,13100:10:05.440 --> 00:10:09.759she has reached her limit of talkingwith me. It's clear. Yeah.13200:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.960So I said, can I praywith you, and she nodded and13300:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.639I prayed that God would help herto trust him in this very hard thing,13400:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.879that that she would consider not onlythe struggle she's going through but the13500:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.159struggle that that poor baby's going togo through if from if she decides to13600:10:26.200 --> 00:10:31.120take that child's life, and thatGod would give her discernment. Yeah,13700:10:31.279 --> 00:10:37.000do its best. And then andpretty much closed. There and to my13800:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.840surprise, she did not pull intothe driveway. She drove down and pulled13900:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.480into the next driveway, which isthe call center. Yeah, and obviously14000:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.799conflicted, obviously there does not haveher mind set on abortion. Yeah.14100:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.480Yeah, yeah, and so thatoffering of prayer. Yeah, and I14200:10:54.519 --> 00:11:00.919love what, again, Daniel,what you taught me in praying, if14300:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.840you you know. Okay, they'reabout to leave. It's time to pray.14400:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.399Yeah, and to pray at themright. Yeah, and in that14500:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.519prayer to be reiterating, you know, the main points of what you've already14600:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.360yes, something to the effect ofGod. And now I'll try to get14700:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.000their name at that point. Yeah, and I'm praying God, please help14800:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.600tea to see, yeah, yourlove for her. The fact that you14900:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.360care for her and you care abouther situation and help her also to see15000:11:26.399 --> 00:11:30.600your love for her baby, right, that you value this child and you15100:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.840have a good plan for her baby, and that, Lord, if you'll15200:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.919put her trust in you, you'rewith her through this whole situation. Now,15300:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.039when I'm praying, I want tobe careful not to pray. I15400:11:41.200 --> 00:11:45.759know that she's going to be okayand thank you God, that she's absolutely15500:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.000not going to suffering the issues thatyou don't know. That right, but15600:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.039I do know that God will benear her if you she puts her trust15700:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.919in him. Yeah, and Ido have confidence that the Lord is a15800:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.799healer, and so I may evenpray something like that. Lord, I15900:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.279pray that you would heal her,that the wounds that she has in her16000:12:01.399 --> 00:12:07.240uterus would be quickly hue, becausethat's the issue. Her uterus apparently been16100:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.120sewn back together and it could rupture, ruptree in and so see. Yeah,16200:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.519so, anyway, I'm praying atthem, but I'm also careful not16300:12:15.600 --> 00:12:20.440to you. I don't want togive false hope either. Right. Yeah,16400:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.480yeah, so, as she pullsover and she's sitting in the other16500:12:24.600 --> 00:12:30.240call center parking lot, I wantedto be visible. I wanted her to16600:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.639know I had not abandoned her,but I was far enough away that I16700:12:33.679 --> 00:12:39.240hoped it was the right balance betweenintrusive visible but not intrusive. So I16800:12:39.279 --> 00:12:45.639was standing there and used my timeto call our high risk doctor right who16900:12:45.679 --> 00:12:50.440fortunately did pick up. I toldher the situation and I said what do17000:12:50.480 --> 00:12:52.840you think? We can you talkwith her, and Edith as her name.17100:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.440He said yes, she would bemore than happy to talk about her,17200:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.159but she said this is serious.She's not lying. It is this17300:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.240is a serious issue and I'm goingto do some research, but I'd be17400:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.360happy to talk with her and Iwould need to ask her some questions.17500:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.960Can it? Can I get alittle bit more of her background? So17600:13:09.120 --> 00:13:13.600the woman was in the car,clearly sobbing her eyes out. Yeah,17700:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.240reading the pamphlet. I saw herreading the pamphlet and I saw her on17800:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.919the phone and I just was Iwas visibly praying then, yeah, so17900:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.759that she knew that I was callingon God to as she's as she's going18000:13:30.799 --> 00:13:37.000through through this discussion and and thenshe starts up her car and starts to18100:13:37.000 --> 00:13:46.000pull out and she did roll downher window for me and at the same18200:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.600time the owner, well, Idon't know if he's the owner, I18300:13:48.600 --> 00:13:54.200don't know who he is, buthe's someone high up in the abortion center,18400:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.399pulled in, almost hit me withhis car, gets out of his18500:13:58.480 --> 00:14:03.919car and comes fearious with at me, running over. And as this is18600:14:03.960 --> 00:14:11.600happening, I'm taut still talking totea and said can I, can I18700:14:11.639 --> 00:14:16.279give you Dr Edith's number, andshe said yes, I start writing it18800:14:16.360 --> 00:14:22.639down and this man comes barreling atme, inches from my face. He18900:14:22.720 --> 00:14:28.200has pushed me before. We knowhe can be violent. Yeah, and19000:14:30.039 --> 00:14:33.679this does play into the story,believe me. And at that moment our19100:14:33.799 --> 00:14:39.919counselor one of my fellow counselors,saw this, knew this guy has the19200:14:39.039 --> 00:14:43.840potential to be violent and she pulledout her phone, came at US videotaping19300:14:43.960 --> 00:14:50.720right so because she wanted to haveevidence, should I get beaten up or19400:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.120whatever for the police. Yeah,and she was afraid that I was going19500:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.000to get beaten up. And whenthe woman, when tea, saw the19600:14:58.039 --> 00:15:07.960phone video and clearly videotaping, shethen was angry and said are you videotaping19700:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.320me? Rolled up the window beforeI could get to eat. This number19800:15:11.320 --> 00:15:16.559to her and pulled out and writethe abortion center. What's our key point19900:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.799here, Daniel? Yeah, butI mean that's a that that's kind of20000:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.039a difficult balance there, because Ithink it was we teach our people to20100:15:24.080 --> 00:15:28.799pull out your phone and start videoand right when something crazy starts happening.20200:15:28.879 --> 00:15:33.759Right, but it is good,if we're careful, as a careful as20300:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.600we can be, not to appearto be videoing patients. Yeah, I20400:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.120don't know that there was any wayto avoid that in that situation. Maybe20500:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.279put your phone a little down.I mean, the end of the day,20600:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.200we have we have no there's noincentive for us to video patients.20700:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.480Yep, right, and it doescreate a barrier and a breach of trust.20800:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.840You've already built trust with her.I would say, though, just20900:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.720hearing the scenario and how it playedout. Like I've said in the past,21000:16:02.000 --> 00:16:06.799these women are oftentimes grasping for twothings at the same time. They're21100:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.879grasping for a justification to a boardand to write off of all that we're21200:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.480saying, and they're grasping for ajustification to leave. Yeah, right,21300:16:14.600 --> 00:16:19.159and so I think that videotaping scenariowas her grasping for a reason to go21400:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.159ahead and a board. Just doit and forget about what this this lady21500:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.240on the sidewalks head because, afterall, she breached trust and she videotaping21600:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.919me. Yeah, and I thinkthat's what it was. It's it shows21700:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.559that fight in her mind, becauseshe didn't even give you an opportunity to21800:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.440explain. She didn't even take inthe fact that this guy was being belligerent21900:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.960and angry and all that stuff like. I mean, my question would be22000:16:40.960 --> 00:16:44.240if I was reasonably thinking, whyare you yelling at me? I'm in22100:16:44.279 --> 00:16:45.759the driveway here talking to this person. Why are you yelling? You know22200:16:45.799 --> 00:16:49.080you're supposed to be running the facilityhere and you're acting like a fool.22300:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.159But again, these women that weencounter in very difficult situations a lot of22400:16:53.200 --> 00:16:59.320chaos in their minds. You can'tyou can't expect them to be thinking things22500:16:59.360 --> 00:17:00.679through very clearly. So, yeah, that's what I would say. Just22600:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.920be careful as your videotape and sokeep this in your mind when I get22700:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.000to the end of the story,because it's not the how it truly ended.22800:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.079I don't mention in this article.So I want you to remember what22900:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.799you just said. All of that. Anyway, I did call out to23000:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.079her. She's driving away. No, we were videotaping him, but that23100:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.000was all I could say. Andshe's gone. So she get I felt23200:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.599like I'd been punched. I waslike, Oh, I had her.23300:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.039Yeah, no, she was.I was just about to hander edith's number23400:17:30.039 --> 00:17:38.000and she drives into the abortion center. So she drives in and she was23500:17:38.079 --> 00:17:44.119in there for like an hour.The abortionist arrives in the meantime. She's23600:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.200in there, the hours going on. I got really busy with with other23700:17:48.240 --> 00:17:55.920things and you know, I feltawful that poor counselor. Felt awful because23800:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.480she, you know, she wassaying the same thing you're saying. I23900:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.119don't know what else I could havedone. Yeah, and and there really24000:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.599wasn't. She was in a verybad position. So anyway, a little24100:18:07.640 --> 00:18:15.519about an hour later, wait beforethe hour later, I actually got on24200:18:15.519 --> 00:18:19.079the mic and I started talking aboutfear, because this was a woman who24300:18:19.119 --> 00:18:23.599was obviously afraid of dying and itwas fear that was fueling this decision.24400:18:23.759 --> 00:18:27.680This was a time when I feltthe MIC would be useful to address.24500:18:27.799 --> 00:18:32.240I didn't talk about people in ahigh risk pregnancy or anything like that.24600:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.839I just I address the issue offear over the microphone and we know that,24700:18:37.000 --> 00:18:38.640or we think that, they canhear us in the bit in the24800:18:38.640 --> 00:18:44.079back room. And then I see, like an hour later, her car24900:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.559pull out again. The abortionist hascome. So I'm assuming she had the25000:18:48.599 --> 00:18:55.359abortion. Yeah, and she stoppedfor that very counselor who had been videotaping25100:18:55.440 --> 00:19:02.279her. Told that counselor she hadchosen life. That counselor started crying.25200:19:02.279 --> 00:19:03.720I'm I'm way on the other side, by the way, I'm waiting,25300:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.000way down the street, but I'mseeing and thinking, wait, I think25400:19:08.119 --> 00:19:12.359that's that car. And then Isee that counselor hand her blessing bag,25500:19:12.440 --> 00:19:17.440which I know means she's changed hermind. We've given her a gift.25600:19:17.559 --> 00:19:23.119She's chosen life. And and atas she's coming towards me, she instantly25700:19:23.200 --> 00:19:29.599pulls over, rolls down her windowand said I didn't do it, and25800:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.079I has laid my head down onthe window and started sobbing because I was25900:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.960it had been so emotional right andI had thought this baby was dead and26000:19:38.119 --> 00:19:45.240here it was still alive. Shehad saved the baby's life and and the26100:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.880my main kind of point is herein this segment of it, is just26200:19:49.960 --> 00:19:55.079never give up. Yeah, netnever, never give up, and rejoice26300:19:55.119 --> 00:20:00.920that that in you were there andprivileged to see right it' this amazing transformation.26400:20:02.359 --> 00:20:04.720So the end of the story,though, that isn't in here.26500:20:06.039 --> 00:20:11.599Is She wanted to mentor from ourfrom our love life program she wanted to26600:20:11.599 --> 00:20:18.279mentor someone that would walk alongside heras her story unfolds. It turns out26700:20:19.240 --> 00:20:26.319she actually went back later to theOBGYN. It was not as high risk26800:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.759as she had indicated. Yeah,you know, she needs to be followed26900:20:30.799 --> 00:20:36.480and she should be followed by ahis doctor, but that generally these things27000:20:36.519 --> 00:20:38.599turn out fine. She'll they'll takethe baby a little early. Do is27100:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.440see section a little early. Soif she goes into Labor yet there is27200:20:42.440 --> 00:20:47.519a danger of the the uter inrupture, but probably not through the rest27300:20:47.519 --> 00:20:51.480of the pregnancy and they know whatto look for. But Um, what27400:20:51.599 --> 00:20:59.119she told me was, first ofall, she did know that that man27500:20:59.200 --> 00:21:03.759was a jerk coming over, fromwhat he she said he tried to run27600:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.319you over and I said, youknow the lady taping you. We destroyed27700:21:07.359 --> 00:21:08.799that tape. I want you toknow. As soon as he didn't hit27800:21:08.920 --> 00:21:14.480me, we knew we didn't needthat video. We took it off our27900:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.640phones. It's deleted. And shesaid, Oh, I knew, I28000:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.400knew why you were taping me.So you're right, Daniel, she did28100:21:21.559 --> 00:21:26.440know. Yeah, she knew,and it was part of an excuse to28200:21:26.480 --> 00:21:32.000go back in. But she saidwhile she was in there for an hour.28300:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.599She was in there. She saidshe told them, she went to28400:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.279the front. I said listen,give me a minute. She sat down.28500:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.880That minute turned into an hour.She was crying most of the time28600:21:41.799 --> 00:21:51.960and she said what, what openedher heart to considering life was the prayer.28700:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.240It wasn't really what we had said, it wasn't what I said in28800:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.279the prayer, it wasn't what sheheard over the mic. It was that28900:22:00.480 --> 00:22:06.519God was now forefront in her mind. Yeah, because we had prayed.29000:22:06.599 --> 00:22:14.559Yeah, and so that's such akey, key element, I think,29100:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.119for us all to remember. Yeah, in our interactions with this mom you29200:22:18.720 --> 00:22:25.799can pray with them and the veryact of praying is what's important, not29300:22:25.880 --> 00:22:30.000if you have the exact white words. Yeah, and then the even more29400:22:30.400 --> 00:22:34.039wonderful additional end of the story.She stood up, she finally, she29500:22:34.079 --> 00:22:41.200said, God just finally said youcan't do this. She stood up and29600:22:41.279 --> 00:22:49.640she she was horrified by the callous, hardheartedness and even just joking manner of29700:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.880so many of the women in thereas they're about to kill their baby while29800:22:52.960 --> 00:22:59.079she's going through all of this ankstyeah, she saw one other couple sitting29900:22:59.160 --> 00:23:03.240in the waiting room and she saidshe knew looking at them that they were30000:23:03.279 --> 00:23:07.920struggling with this decision. Yeah,she went over to them and said I'm30100:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.960going to leave, I'm going tokeep my baby. You don't have to30200:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.920stay here. You know you canleave too. Yeah, and they got30300:23:15.960 --> 00:23:22.440up and followed her out and left. So a few things. When that30400:23:22.559 --> 00:23:27.559counselor was videotaping her and giving heran excuse to go in, if she30500:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.400hadn't gone in, she wouldn't haveseen that couple, she wouldn't have had30600:23:33.440 --> 00:23:38.440that war between good and evil,she wouldn't have seen it acting out right30700:23:38.480 --> 00:23:44.799in front of her. Yeah,in the other clients and that second baby30800:23:44.880 --> 00:23:51.000that was saved, might not havebeen saying yeah, so God uses so30900:23:51.279 --> 00:23:55.200much. We had to be there, we had to be there, but31000:23:55.359 --> 00:24:00.319look at how everything worked together.Yeah, for the good of those who31100:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.200love the Lord and have been calledaccording to his purpose. Yeah, yeah,31200:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.640that's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. It's encouraging. Yeah, and31300:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.000so, guys, we hope thatthis case study was an encouragement to you,31400:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.160guys, and that we gave yousome principles and just kind of walked31500:24:15.200 --> 00:24:19.599you through that story. There's stillI mean the story is not over,31600:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.880that baby's not yet been born andthere's still some mentoring that's taken place.31700:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.480And she said one of the mainissues that she faced was her milk supply31800:24:27.640 --> 00:24:32.039was running out and she needed formula. And I come to the office and31900:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.400guess what, there were two bigcases of formula. So I called her32000:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.640and had her come meet me andyesterday I gave her the formula. Yeah,32100:24:38.799 --> 00:24:44.079that's cool. Yeah, so,guys. Yeah, yeah, we32200:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.200think this was a blessing. Youhope it was a blessing to you.32300:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.559You can certainly reach out and sharemaybe some feedback, maybe some questions,32400:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.680maybe a little bit of encouragement.Maybe you want to throw a review,32500:24:55.720 --> 00:25:00.279five story view into the the reviewsonly pocket kick that down the street at32600:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.880all. We take it, gladly, love it. We'd love some some32700:25:03.920 --> 00:25:08.319positive reviews on our podcast. We'dlove for you guys to share this podcast.32800:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.759Maybe it would be encouraging to someoneelse. So certainly we encourage you32900:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.680guys to share this episode with others. You can reach me Daniel Love Life33000:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.519Dot Org. If you have suggestionsfor other episode, you can reach Vicky,33100:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.920Vicky at Love Life Dot Org.Maybe you want to bounce some things33200:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.680off of Vicky, maybe you wantto pick her brain on sidewalk counseling stuff.33300:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.559So I know she'd be more thanhappy to answer any questions that you33400:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.480guys have. Of but until nexttime, God bless God, bless you33500:25:33.559 --> 00:25:45.759all. Give me our lift forlove. Give me our life for gratitude.33600:25:48.799 --> 00:25:57.200I know it will cost me mylife. Nothing's too precious. And33700:25:57.480 --> 00:26:00.000some met you