Oct. 2, 2019

Bodily Autonomy, is it Biblical?

Bodily Autonomy, is it Biblical?

Vicky and Daniel talk about the bodily autonomy arguments that abortion proponents use to justify killing the unborn. Do these arguments hold up rationally and Biblically? Join us as we talk it through.


Vicky and Daniel talk about the bodily autonomy arguments that abortion proponents use to justify killing the unborn. Do these arguments hold up rationally and Biblically? Join us as we talk it through.

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.949 Lord, I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast 3 00:00:11.230 --> 00:00:14.910 and this episode we're going to talk about the pro choice argument of bodily autonomy. 4 00:00:15.150 --> 00:00:18.030 We're going to deal with this subject biblically and we're going to think through 5 00:00:18.109 --> 00:00:26.260 this thing rationally. Hope you're blessed as you listen. I felt show passish 6 00:00:27.339 --> 00:00:35.500 touch your heart. All Right, welcome to the Gospel Center prolife podcast. 7 00:00:35.700 --> 00:00:41.369 I'm here today with Vicky and we're going to talk about a subject that I 8 00:00:41.490 --> 00:00:45.689 think is near and dear to the pro abortion, pro choice folks crowd, 9 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:50.079 which is bodily autonomy. And it's an argument that I hear a lot and 10 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:55.240 you know, as you you look on facebook and social media, is is 11 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.039 one that's touted by the pro choice crowd as kind of the end all. 12 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:02.759 This is sort of like the gauntlets thrown down mic drop when they give these 13 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:07.950 bodily autonomy arguments. It's it's you shut your mouth because we just proved you 14 00:01:07.030 --> 00:01:11.670 wrong sort of thing. And you know actually, honestly for me is I'm 15 00:01:11.750 --> 00:01:17.390 looking at the pro choice arguments in the stuff that people give as arguments for 16 00:01:17.430 --> 00:01:21.700 abortion. To me, the bodily autonomy argument is the only one that really 17 00:01:22.099 --> 00:01:25.819 is consistent with itself, because then, you know, a lot of the 18 00:01:25.900 --> 00:01:27.420 arguments about, you know, what if this, what if that? A 19 00:01:27.659 --> 00:01:33.170 lot of the arguments about, you know, women, you know women can't 20 00:01:33.170 --> 00:01:36.010 provide for a child, therefore it's okay for to kill it and that sort 21 00:01:36.049 --> 00:01:38.650 of thing, all of these sort of fall to the ground. They're all 22 00:01:38.769 --> 00:01:41.609 really just emotional arguments. This is the only one, to me, that's 23 00:01:41.609 --> 00:01:45.730 sort of philosophical and it makes makes you think, it makes you sort of 24 00:01:45.810 --> 00:01:48.879 think these things through, and I think it's important that we do put some 25 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.519 thought of these arguments and not just kind of brush them to the side. 26 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:56.560 Ye, and so, first of all, just kind of define bodily autonomy. 27 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:59.120 What is bodily autonomy? You want to take a crack at that, 28 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.989 you want to take a step ahead. You know, bodily the human body. 29 00:02:01.989 --> 00:02:07.549 They're talking about the human body autonomy, your control, yeah, over 30 00:02:07.549 --> 00:02:12.590 over your own body, that you have the right to say what happens to 31 00:02:12.710 --> 00:02:15.229 your body. Yeah, that's that sound. Yeah, I mean it's it 32 00:02:15.740 --> 00:02:19.659 has to do with really governance over your body, which is basically what you 33 00:02:19.819 --> 00:02:23.500 just said and that, yeah, you can make the decisions for the things 34 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:25.699 that affect your body, and I think you know we would. We would 35 00:02:25.699 --> 00:02:30.569 pretty much agree, right. I mean I don't. I don't go and 36 00:02:30.129 --> 00:02:34.009 tell people who are you having their tonsils removed? It. You can't have 37 00:02:34.090 --> 00:02:37.889 your tonsils removed, you know. So we can't pink are that you can't 38 00:02:37.930 --> 00:02:40.289 have me or or earring. It does offend me. Pink here does, 39 00:02:40.449 --> 00:02:44.360 honestly. But I'm not going to make the laws that say you can't, 40 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.560 you know, and we grant them that bodily yeah, exactly, can have 41 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:52.319 that bodily autonomy. But we're talking about the issue of abortion. Well, 42 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:58.000 really talking about more than just an individual's bodily autonomy. And the reason why, 43 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.189 you know, when someone gives that argument to me, one of the 44 00:03:00.229 --> 00:03:04.270 pro abortion people, on a regular basis, they give that argument you a 45 00:03:04.310 --> 00:03:07.229 woman has a right to govern what happens inside of her body. It's like, 46 00:03:07.550 --> 00:03:09.870 okay, well, you're not understanding really where we're coming from, because 47 00:03:09.909 --> 00:03:14.259 I'm really not trying to limit her ability to have healthcare. I just don't 48 00:03:14.259 --> 00:03:17.020 want her to kill her child. So I'm talking about two bodies to two 49 00:03:17.139 --> 00:03:23.099 separate people that we're thinking about when we're thinking about a pregnant mother, right, 50 00:03:23.460 --> 00:03:25.099 and that's how we do. Ministries will reach out on the sidewalks. 51 00:03:25.139 --> 00:03:29.930 We're considering two people. We know that we have two people that we're trying 52 00:03:29.969 --> 00:03:32.050 to reach and we have to reach the mother in order to reach the baby, 53 00:03:32.129 --> 00:03:36.330 and so we understand that. Yeah, but I've had people say, 54 00:03:36.370 --> 00:03:39.289 you know, I'll grant you that the baby in the womb or the fetus 55 00:03:39.289 --> 00:03:44.199 is a person, and they'll go to this bodily autonomy argument, which is 56 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:49.080 a thought experiment from from years past. I read it to you earlier just 57 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.080 in preparation for the PODCAST, but I don't read it again, from before 58 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:57.229 abortion. Yeah, this is this argument was first posed by Judith Jarvis Tom 59 00:03:57.509 --> 00:04:01.789 Thomas in one thousand nine hundred and seventy one. And this is the like 60 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:08.110 lay down the MIC drop. Once they give this, they've they've just all 61 00:04:08.189 --> 00:04:11.740 these yeah, yeah, we're done, no longer pro life. When they 62 00:04:11.740 --> 00:04:14.860 give this argument, and here's the argument. This is the thought experiment. 63 00:04:14.860 --> 00:04:17.579 I think thought experiments do help. We lay out analogies and stuff like that. 64 00:04:17.819 --> 00:04:20.379 Stuff does help, and so I'm not just poopoo in the idea of 65 00:04:20.420 --> 00:04:24.889 a thought experiment, but this thought experiment and how it sort of applies to 66 00:04:24.930 --> 00:04:28.370 the bodily autonomy arguments and support of abortion, I think, can be easily 67 00:04:28.410 --> 00:04:30.930 torn down and ultimately, I think just stick with US folks, because we're 68 00:04:30.930 --> 00:04:33.449 going to get to the word of God. That's where ultimately we want to 69 00:04:33.490 --> 00:04:36.970 go. But let's just read this real quick it says so you wake in 70 00:04:38.050 --> 00:04:41.759 the morning and you find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. 71 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.120 Now, why a violinist? I have no clue. I'm sure there's 72 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.959 some background of that. It's a famous unconscious violinist. He's been found to 73 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:53.870 have a fatal kidney ailment. In the Society of music lovers has canvas all 74 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:58.069 available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to hell. 75 00:04:58.709 --> 00:05:02.029 They have therefore kidnapped you and last night the violinist circuitry, circulatory system, 76 00:05:02.069 --> 00:05:05.509 was plugged into yours so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons 77 00:05:05.550 --> 00:05:09.980 from his blood as well as your own. If he's unplugged from you now, 78 00:05:10.180 --> 00:05:13.620 he will die, but in nine months he will have recovered from his 79 00:05:13.699 --> 00:05:16.579 ailment and can be safely unplugged from you. And so you know, the 80 00:05:16.660 --> 00:05:23.250 the analogy is with the unborn child, nine months obviously one the violinist might 81 00:05:23.290 --> 00:05:27.529 be because he's valuable. Making they're making the concession that that baby does have 82 00:05:27.769 --> 00:05:30.009 some sort of value. Yeah, nature experiment. Yeah, and I think 83 00:05:30.129 --> 00:05:33.689 probably we're, you know, as probably lifers, the Society of music lovers, 84 00:05:33.730 --> 00:05:40.399 who values this this violinist, though greater society maybe doesn't. And their 85 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.079 analogy there, right. And so how do you answer this, though? 86 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.000 How do you answer this, this thought experiment? As you're thinking, okay, 87 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.519 if I unpluged this person, like, do I have the right, 88 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:54.149 if I find myself in this partigament, as wild as the scenario sounds, 89 00:05:55.670 --> 00:06:00.149 do I have a right just to unplug myself from this violinist? Am I 90 00:06:00.310 --> 00:06:03.300 within my bodily autonomy rights to do that? Right? Yeah, well, 91 00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:06.899 would you think? Yeah, well, well, it's obviously being used as 92 00:06:06.939 --> 00:06:11.899 an analogy between the mother and the Child, and I think that the first 93 00:06:11.980 --> 00:06:14.740 thing I would want to do, I say this a lot, examine the 94 00:06:14.779 --> 00:06:16.620 premise that, yeah, I mus has flawed. Yeah, it's flawed. 95 00:06:16.699 --> 00:06:23.769 Right, okay, because it's it's first of all, you've been kidnapped? 96 00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:30.050 Yeah, against your will, apparently. and well, becoming pregnant with the 97 00:06:30.129 --> 00:06:35.279 child is a very different sort of thing. You put yourself in a position 98 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:42.959 where you would become or could. Certainly there is a logical consequence. Yeah, 99 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.430 sure, is pregnancy. Yeah, and so did did the person who 100 00:06:47.550 --> 00:06:53.509 is kidnapped? Is? Is that an equal sort of symbol? And I'd 101 00:06:53.589 --> 00:06:58.189 say no. Yep, kidnapping is nothing like putting yourself in a position where 102 00:06:58.189 --> 00:07:00.230 you could become pregnant. Yeah, and then we talked about this. I 103 00:07:00.269 --> 00:07:03.180 don't know if you want me to spoil the whole story. That a good 104 00:07:03.220 --> 00:07:11.420 for but you know that it's not just this stranger that you're hooked too who's 105 00:07:11.420 --> 00:07:15.730 not related in any way and and you're being forst into this, this synbiotic 106 00:07:15.970 --> 00:07:21.089 relationship with him. This is your child, yeah, your relative, through 107 00:07:21.209 --> 00:07:29.810 a natural process. A mother and her womb is designed for one thing and 108 00:07:29.970 --> 00:07:32.920 that's to bear a child. Yeah, you being plug to the violinist. 109 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.639 It's not what you were designed for. Right, right, and it's not. 110 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:43.480 They're not your relation. So I think the analogy immediately falls apart. 111 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:47.790 It is it's you're comparing completely different yeah, sorts of things yeah, and 112 00:07:48.110 --> 00:07:53.389 some folks go into even a sort of a selfdefense thing that you know, 113 00:07:53.509 --> 00:07:57.550 you're within your in your rights to defend yourself, and so they'll even take 114 00:07:57.670 --> 00:08:00.379 you know, okay, I'll grantee that. The baby's a person, but 115 00:08:00.459 --> 00:08:03.100 if the person inside of her body is threatening her life, then she has 116 00:08:03.139 --> 00:08:07.339 the ability to defend herself. Right, but against it. What we're talking 117 00:08:07.339 --> 00:08:11.860 about in that scenario is we're talking about an unborn child. We're talking about 118 00:08:11.860 --> 00:08:18.569 her offspring. We're not talking about some intruder or some stranger, we're talking 119 00:08:18.610 --> 00:08:24.689 about someone that is her relation. Right. Mother's UN natural inclination of a 120 00:08:24.810 --> 00:08:31.399 mother is to protect her child, not to immediately kill her child when it 121 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:37.240 becomes an inconvenience or it becomes that you're a certain threat. And so abortion 122 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.070 is directly against the natural instincts, in the natural way that God has made 123 00:08:41.110 --> 00:08:46.830 a human beings to function. You know, and and that's why I really 124 00:08:46.830 --> 00:08:50.389 wanted to get into the bodily autonomy thing, and I mentioned to you even 125 00:08:50.429 --> 00:08:56.659 talking about this subject is bodily autonomy and self idolatry, that the self becomes 126 00:08:56.700 --> 00:09:00.460 an idol. And you know, the reality is, even with all these 127 00:09:00.580 --> 00:09:05.539 thought experiments. There's other thought experiments that they use. One of them about 128 00:09:05.659 --> 00:09:11.009 people seeds. If there were people seeds floating around and and they're always just 129 00:09:11.129 --> 00:09:13.690 really it's just in the air and they all ridiculous. And and you know 130 00:09:15.210 --> 00:09:20.250 certain folks, certain women, have decided to invest in screens on their windows 131 00:09:20.289 --> 00:09:22.929 so that the people seeds can't come through. They have really expensive ones. 132 00:09:24.009 --> 00:09:26.759 But if one just happens to come through, is she within her rights to 133 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.399 take that people seed and uproot it and throw it away? And so the 134 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.919 analogy there is then with a baby and of course you know an unborn baby 135 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.269 being a person seed right, which again, you know, every analogy breaks 136 00:09:41.309 --> 00:09:46.990 down, and that analogy is certainly breaks down because again we're talking about human 137 00:09:46.070 --> 00:09:50.429 beings. Aren't talking about just seeds, we're not just talking about again, 138 00:09:50.509 --> 00:09:54.700 not just some stranger that you that you were kidnapped and forcedly plugged into. 139 00:09:54.740 --> 00:10:01.179 We're talking about an individual child, a person, and what will say, 140 00:10:01.179 --> 00:10:03.139 according to the word of God, that is made in the image of God. 141 00:10:03.259 --> 00:10:07.610 I think what we're getting down to is we're getting down to the fact 142 00:10:07.649 --> 00:10:13.889 that human beings are different than other creatures. Human beings are different than other 143 00:10:13.929 --> 00:10:18.250 animals. You know, in our society, as people have rejected God and 144 00:10:18.370 --> 00:10:22.360 embrace this idea of evolution and human beings are nothing more than just evolved animals, 145 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.480 and that mentality, all of these analogies are, I guess, are 146 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:31.120 fitting. You know, but if you understand based on the framework that God 147 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.029 gives us, human beings are made in his image, then we're talking about 148 00:10:35.110 --> 00:10:41.110 the destruction or the protection of an innocent human life, right, and using 149 00:10:41.149 --> 00:10:46.309 bodily autonomy to justify killing a person is ridiculous. And then working a lot 150 00:10:46.350 --> 00:10:50.059 of other scenarios either, which will talk about. Yeah, yeah, like 151 00:10:50.340 --> 00:10:54.259 like if if I don't like you, yeah, and and you're really bothering 152 00:10:54.340 --> 00:11:00.820 me and you're putting unrealistic expectations on me. Well, my body is the 153 00:11:00.899 --> 00:11:05.090 most important, my autonomy is the most important to me, and so why 154 00:11:05.129 --> 00:11:07.889 can't I just get rid of you? Yeah, you know, if, 155 00:11:09.090 --> 00:11:13.610 if bodily autonomy is the be all end all, then then there's no restrictions 156 00:11:15.169 --> 00:11:18.000 on what I can or can't do, even if it harms you. Yeah, 157 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:22.919 and I think that that's actually a more accurate kind of analogy. Then 158 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:31.679 then the violinist, in some ways, because it's it's showing what are their 159 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:37.870 limits? Are there limits that are society should put on bodily autonomy? And 160 00:11:39.029 --> 00:11:43.509 really does? None of us are completely autonomous. Yeah, right, we 161 00:11:43.950 --> 00:11:46.620 have rights. There are certain things that we have rights to, like, 162 00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:50.500 like we said, pink are you know what? We have the right to 163 00:11:50.580 --> 00:11:56.100 do that if we so desire. But where do those limits come when it? 164 00:11:56.259 --> 00:12:01.649 Are there limits in society and throughout really all history? Yeah, on 165 00:12:01.330 --> 00:12:07.330 where my bodily autonomy needs to be restricted. Yeah, you know, the 166 00:12:07.809 --> 00:12:15.450 scriptures clear own individual responsibility. HMM, and it's also clear only individual autonomy 167 00:12:15.570 --> 00:12:22.120 in a certain sense, but it's the things that we do with the governance 168 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.200 of our own body, in our own within our own self, that ultimately 169 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:30.950 God holds US accountable for. Right. So when Kane Kills Abel, he 170 00:12:31.070 --> 00:12:33.350 did that with his own bodily autonomy. Right. He had this this offense 171 00:12:33.429 --> 00:12:37.429 inside of himself where he was jealous of his brother because God received his sacrifice 172 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.230 but not kin's, and he altimately uses his bodily autonomy to commit the first 173 00:12:41.269 --> 00:12:46.580 murder where he kills his brother. You know, your autonomy ends where someone 174 00:12:46.580 --> 00:12:50.940 else's life is affected in a negative way. But even that, in a 175 00:12:50.980 --> 00:12:54.379 sense. They mean the decisions that we make with our bodies are going to 176 00:12:54.500 --> 00:13:00.450 affect other people, either positive to positively or negatively. It's just part of 177 00:13:00.570 --> 00:13:03.889 living in a society. You right, it's part of living around other people, 178 00:13:03.370 --> 00:13:07.610 and so you have a certain amount of autonomy. But when you talk, 179 00:13:07.049 --> 00:13:11.090 when you're talking about using that autonomy to kill another person, to commit 180 00:13:11.129 --> 00:13:13.879 an act of violence against another person, that's where it ends. Yeah, 181 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:16.879 but even you know, it even ends in a sense, and we won't 182 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:22.399 get into the into the really nuts and bolts of this, but like with 183 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:28.870 suicide, for example, or with prostitution. Mean, if bodily autonomy sort 184 00:13:28.870 --> 00:13:33.070 of the end all, then them as a society, we're okay with suicide 185 00:13:33.190 --> 00:13:37.029 and it seems more and more uninhibited drug use, anything that destroys your body, 186 00:13:37.070 --> 00:13:41.820 even if it doesn't kill you outright, like suicide, but slowly kills 187 00:13:41.860 --> 00:13:43.659 you. Yeah, they should. We have no restrictions on that. If 188 00:13:43.659 --> 00:13:48.539 bodily autonomy is is the most important. Yeah, and even you with prostitution 189 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:52.220 is as a woman have the right to sell her body. It's she's autonomous. 190 00:13:52.299 --> 00:13:54.850 He can govern the thing and she sell her body. And prostitution most 191 00:13:56.009 --> 00:14:01.850 nations realize that prostitution is not a good thing, right and most nations make 192 00:14:01.929 --> 00:14:05.690 it illegal for a woman to sell her body and prostitution, and there's reasons 193 00:14:05.730 --> 00:14:09.440 for that, not just bodily autonomy reasons, but moral reasons. It's immoral. 194 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.240 But also, you know, women are exploited through the trafficking that happens 195 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:22.279 from prostitution, you know, the legal prostitution trade or whatever. Ultimately, 196 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.190 because people are sinners, people take advantage of that whole thing and that whole 197 00:14:26.190 --> 00:14:30.350 system is twisted and people are kidnapped and be more taken and sold in all 198 00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:33.429 of that, you know, in similarly, women are exploited in abortion. 199 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:39.620 Yeah, they are definitely exploited by bi sexual predators, by you know, 200 00:14:39.779 --> 00:14:43.700 serial adulterers, but the sexual trait. Yeah. So, you know, 201 00:14:43.779 --> 00:14:48.379 at the basis of any discussion of bottom autonomy, I just think you really 202 00:14:48.419 --> 00:14:54.769 can't get away from the question of why shouldn't, why should or should there 203 00:14:54.889 --> 00:15:01.250 not be protection of my body or protection of the little baby body? And 204 00:15:01.490 --> 00:15:07.559 and so I think the really the the root issue that we need to grapple 205 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:13.480 with is what gives anybody value. Yeah, and I know we know what 206 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.320 does from a biblical standpoint. Yeah, that of all God's creation, human 207 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.549 beings alone are made in the image. Yeah, I mean you know, 208 00:15:22.590 --> 00:15:26.789 if you if you wanted it, to make the argument with you from the 209 00:15:26.909 --> 00:15:30.629 pro abortion standpoint, that you know, first of all, human beings are 210 00:15:30.669 --> 00:15:33.230 just evolved animals, but we still have bodily autonomy. It's like, well, 211 00:15:35.029 --> 00:15:37.899 is that cow that I ate for lunch? You know in a hamburger 212 00:15:37.139 --> 00:15:41.740 that he had bodily autonomy. No, actually, somebody owned him and actually 213 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:46.179 slaughtered him. We ate him because he didn't have bodily autonomy, because because 214 00:15:46.700 --> 00:15:50.610 he's an animal. Yeah, right, and say this whole idea that humans 215 00:15:50.690 --> 00:15:52.769 have bodily atomy and something different animals sort of proves the point, right, 216 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:56.090 it does. Yeah, and and you know, of course we grant that 217 00:15:56.169 --> 00:16:00.570 there's a certain amount of autonomy that takes place. But it's funny that, 218 00:16:00.809 --> 00:16:04.240 and I'm not a I'm not an anti vaxx or sort of person. You 219 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.799 know, we're our family's more measured. We don't do every vaccine, but 220 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.000 we more careful in those who want to, you know, come at me 221 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.159 because of that. That's fine. We're more measured in vaccines, but we 222 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:21.230 don't do everyone right, but I know people who are stunchly opposed to vaccines 223 00:16:21.590 --> 00:16:26.590 and then also know people, or you read people who are like stonessly pushing 224 00:16:26.669 --> 00:16:30.830 this thing like mandated government dated vaccines. And it's so funny that many of 225 00:16:30.870 --> 00:16:36.460 the pro abortion, pro choice people the talk about bodily autonomy are for mandated 226 00:16:36.500 --> 00:16:40.299 vaccines. I might man, is that not a contradiction of terms where you're 227 00:16:40.419 --> 00:16:45.580 basically the government is forcing against someone's autonomy, forcing that person to take a 228 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:49.570 vaccine that they may not want? Right? Right, or forced us in 229 00:16:49.610 --> 00:16:52.690 Asia? Yeah, you know, which is on the rise, and it 230 00:16:52.809 --> 00:16:56.409 sounds like with old people. Yeah, you know that. Okay, it's 231 00:16:56.649 --> 00:17:02.159 do they have, do we have bodily autonomy or not? Yeah, and 232 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:03.880 in that situation, you know, it's really interesting, as I was thinking 233 00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:11.920 about it, in the Bible is on one hand there's there's a definite human 234 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:18.230 beings are of great, inestimable value before God and their body is of value. 235 00:17:18.430 --> 00:17:21.950 Yeah, God, he numbers every hair on our head. But at 236 00:17:22.029 --> 00:17:25.589 the same time, later on, I think it's in Corinthians, it talks 237 00:17:25.630 --> 00:17:30.180 about how the in First Corinthians how your body is not your own, that 238 00:17:30.500 --> 00:17:33.299 it was bought at a price. Yeah, and that we're not. We 239 00:17:33.579 --> 00:17:38.140 don't control our bodies. God does. God's in control, and there's sort 240 00:17:38.180 --> 00:17:44.059 of that, I think, an interesting it's not a contradiction. Nothing in 241 00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:48.809 the Bible, I think, is a contradiction, but it's two different sides 242 00:17:48.009 --> 00:17:52.289 of this issue. That that the body is of great, great value, 243 00:17:53.170 --> 00:18:00.960 every one of US uniquely of infinite value before God, and yet it's not 244 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.920 our own. Yeah, we do not have the final say, ultimately, 245 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.039 in where we spend eternity. Yeah, you know, it is always God's 246 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:15.710 decision and and we are a temple of the Lord and it is his to 247 00:18:15.829 --> 00:18:18.349 do with as he pleases. Yeah, yeah, I mean he's Lord and 248 00:18:18.430 --> 00:18:22.309 he gets to say what goes right. That's ultimately, you know. So 249 00:18:22.630 --> 00:18:25.710 to the argument for Christian if you if you'll jump into that scripture that you 250 00:18:25.829 --> 00:18:30.660 just mentioned, in the First Corinthians, great, yeah, First Corinthians six 251 00:18:32.420 --> 00:18:37.380 and and there's a couple of verses in their first Corinthians six, thirteen to 252 00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:42.529 fifteen says well, part way, three thirteen. The body, however, 253 00:18:44.049 --> 00:18:48.769 is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord and the Lord for the 254 00:18:48.809 --> 00:18:53.609 body body. And then in Verse Fifteen, do you not know that your 255 00:18:53.730 --> 00:18:59.960 bodies are members of Christ yourself, and then skip on down to verse nineteen. 256 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.160 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit who 257 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:08.400 is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your 258 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:15.269 own, you were bought at a Christ therefore, honor God with your own 259 00:19:15.710 --> 00:19:22.269 body. Yeah, and so that you know. Of course that's speaking specifically 260 00:19:22.349 --> 00:19:25.819 to Christians, right when he says your body is the temple of the Holy 261 00:19:25.859 --> 00:19:29.539 Spirit, and of course we wouldn't say an unbeliever has the Holy Spirit, 262 00:19:30.220 --> 00:19:34.900 but the principle is still the same that God has created the body. God 263 00:19:36.019 --> 00:19:37.809 has created, you know, in in the resurrection. You know, we 264 00:19:38.210 --> 00:19:41.769 think you know, when you die you go to heaven or if you're not 265 00:19:41.849 --> 00:19:44.970 right with God, you go to hell, and that's it. Right your 266 00:19:45.009 --> 00:19:48.289 spirit, your you know, whatever that part of you is that goes, 267 00:19:48.329 --> 00:19:52.170 that's it. But the Bible tells us that God is going to actually resurrect 268 00:19:52.170 --> 00:19:55.880 our bodies. Yeah, they we're going to spend eternity in a physical body, 269 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.559 whether that's eternity to heaven or eternity in Hell, because it warns against 270 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.319 your flesh being sins, you know, it warns against gnashing of your teeth. 271 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:10.910 So there's a physicality that is in heaven and inhale and and so the 272 00:20:11.029 --> 00:20:15.190 body. God has a vested interest in in our bodies and what happens with 273 00:20:15.269 --> 00:20:18.230 our bodies, and therefore he gives us certain commands of things that we can 274 00:20:18.390 --> 00:20:22.180 and cannot do right with our bodies. Yeah, some of those commands obviously 275 00:20:22.220 --> 00:20:26.420 or expressly toward Christians. You know, we're commanded to use our body to 276 00:20:26.500 --> 00:20:30.460 go and broadcast the Gospel, to go and preach the Gospel. Right, 277 00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:34.579 but there's also things that God gives all of humanity, prohibitions that God gives 278 00:20:34.619 --> 00:20:40.089 all of humanity in the Ten Commandments, and with each of those ten commandments 279 00:20:40.130 --> 00:20:44.130 there's some aspect of that. That's that's it's physical. It's not just heart, 280 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:48.970 but it's actually physical actions that take place. Yea. And so you 281 00:20:48.049 --> 00:20:52.400 know, we have certain prohibitions in the scriptures what you can and what you 282 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.519 cannot do with your body. Shall not murder. Yeah, Y is, 283 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:59.279 you know, the most basic one. God hates the shedding of innocent blood. 284 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.000 Yeah, other human beings, innocent blood. So and in the in 285 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:08.470 this first though and in First Corinthian six, when it says flee immorality, 286 00:21:08.549 --> 00:21:14.349 but the immoral man sins against his own body. I think you could make 287 00:21:14.390 --> 00:21:18.029 a case that. Well, the immoral man is not someone who is in 288 00:21:18.150 --> 00:21:22.980 the Lord, but he sins against his own body. Yeah, he when 289 00:21:23.019 --> 00:21:32.579 he commits sexual immorality. So, whether whether or not you're a believer, 290 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:37.930 when you practice Im morality, you have God is saying you have sinned against 291 00:21:37.970 --> 00:21:41.849 your own body. Yeah. So, so I think it can be applied 292 00:21:41.890 --> 00:21:52.039 bid to to unbelievers and believers alike, that if sexual immorality against your own 293 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.599 body is sin, general sin for everyone, whether a believer or not. 294 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.119 Well, how much more so something like murder? Yeah, but that your 295 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.789 your body, belongs to the Lord, whether you're a believer or not, 296 00:22:03.150 --> 00:22:07.869 it was the Lord who created you. And like the verses that talk about 297 00:22:07.869 --> 00:22:14.150 the Potter has the right to do whatever he chooses to do with his clay 298 00:22:14.269 --> 00:22:18.180 creations. Well, the Lord, God, is our pottern and he has 299 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:23.180 the right to do whatever he chooses to do with with our bodies. Yeah, 300 00:22:23.180 --> 00:22:30.170 yeah, which is a negation of our autonomy. Yeah, that we 301 00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:36.410 are not our own. Even an unbeliever is not his own. Ultimately, 302 00:22:36.609 --> 00:22:40.650 that body belongs to the Lord. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 303 00:22:40.650 --> 00:22:45.319 every person, whether believer or not, is made in God's image. That's 304 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.440 right. And every person, ultimately, you know, the Bible says, 305 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:53.920 everything was made for him and by him. So everything, even that which 306 00:22:53.960 --> 00:23:00.390 is disobedient to him, was still created for him with the intention of being 307 00:23:00.069 --> 00:23:04.190 in relationship with him, accountable to him. Right, and again, the 308 00:23:04.230 --> 00:23:08.069 accountability that we have before God, when we give an account before God, 309 00:23:08.750 --> 00:23:14.019 it's going to be the actions that we took with our body. Yeah, 310 00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:18.779 you know, it's going to be how we, through our autonomy, made 311 00:23:18.859 --> 00:23:22.700 decisions that ultimately affect other people. And so, you know, that's what 312 00:23:22.900 --> 00:23:26.220 love is. Love is not just a feeling, emotion inside, but it's 313 00:23:26.259 --> 00:23:29.289 how things are actually worked out in your own life. You First John, 314 00:23:29.369 --> 00:23:32.650 and first John John says brother, and we ought not love and word only, 315 00:23:32.809 --> 00:23:34.490 but also, indeed, again, the things that you're that you do 316 00:23:34.769 --> 00:23:38.210 with your with your body. That's right. Yeah, yeah, and and 317 00:23:38.730 --> 00:23:44.480 the the baby in the womb sense, this is all really coming back to. 318 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:52.079 Does the pregnant mom have the right to do whatever she wants with that 319 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.470 baby in the womb? And if you seem bodily autonomy as the argument, 320 00:23:56.990 --> 00:24:00.190 and you said one of the pro choice people that you spoke with even said 321 00:24:00.190 --> 00:24:04.190 I'll grant it's a person. Yeah. Well, I'm as part of that 322 00:24:04.230 --> 00:24:07.150 that argument where they say we did, would just will grant you this person. 323 00:24:07.349 --> 00:24:11.819 But but they're ignoring the fact that then this is another body. Well, 324 00:24:11.859 --> 00:24:17.460 what about that ones bodily autonomy? There it's clearly another body. No 325 00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:21.779 one can argue that it is not another body. It has a separate heart, 326 00:24:21.819 --> 00:24:26.289 separate blood, separate fingerprints, uniquely and wonderfully made. And you know 327 00:24:26.450 --> 00:24:30.890 every every organ unique and different from, separate from the mothers. So well, 328 00:24:30.930 --> 00:24:37.289 what about their bodily autonomy? Yeah, or the argument is then that, 329 00:24:37.490 --> 00:24:41.720 you know, we're sort of what argument is is that your bodily autonomy 330 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.160 ends when you are affecting another person. If the argument is that this baby 331 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:49.839 in the womb is affecting that that mother, well then just flip it around. 332 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:56.430 The mother is is harming that that other baby. So that argument is 333 00:24:56.630 --> 00:25:00.029 really illogical. I if they're going to grant, which some of them won't 334 00:25:00.029 --> 00:25:03.670 grant. Yeah, but if they're going to grant, this is another separate 335 00:25:03.710 --> 00:25:08.859 body and it doesn't take very long through just scientific medical evidence that yes, 336 00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:12.779 this is another body. Yeah, but if, if, that, if 337 00:25:14.779 --> 00:25:21.220 you can harm that child, you're saying, because they're harming you. Well, 338 00:25:21.930 --> 00:25:26.529 what about the Child? Yeah, and and what he is allowed to 339 00:25:26.609 --> 00:25:30.970 do towards you? Yeah, see, you can't have both those, right. 340 00:25:32.009 --> 00:25:34.410 Yeah, read some of the other scriptures, is I know you did 341 00:25:34.490 --> 00:25:38.119 some digging and some good. Yeah. Well, you know, first of 342 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:44.799 court we talked about Genesis. Then that that is the basis for for the 343 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.759 value of every human being. And then so what does that mean? Well, 344 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:56.470 it means that in genesis nine, verse six, whoever sheds human blood 345 00:25:56.509 --> 00:26:00.710 by humans shall their blood be shed. And why? For in the image 346 00:26:00.710 --> 00:26:07.579 of God has God made mankind. So so there is a value to human 347 00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:14.299 beings and God is clear that that value is so important that if you harm 348 00:26:14.859 --> 00:26:22.609 another human being, then there are consequences, severe consequences, and that's because 349 00:26:22.210 --> 00:26:26.690 those human beings are made in the in the image of God. Yeah, 350 00:26:26.730 --> 00:26:30.890 that's what gives them value. So I kind of went through the Bible just 351 00:26:32.650 --> 00:26:38.039 in order of some of the passages that I found that were spiff specific and 352 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:45.039 and I think something when you're thinking about bodily autonomy, so is is are 353 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.150 being able to do what we want with our body. The most important thing 354 00:26:49.269 --> 00:26:55.269 is that what we're here on earth for. Biblically, know biblically, go 355 00:26:55.470 --> 00:26:59.710 to Isaiah. Forty three, seven, everyone who is called by my name, 356 00:26:59.829 --> 00:27:04.180 whom, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made. 357 00:27:04.579 --> 00:27:11.500 So I think that gives us a really clear indication of what our purpose 358 00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:15.849 is. We're created for God's glory, Not for our glory, and that 359 00:27:15.970 --> 00:27:21.410 goes back to what you were saying with self idolatry, this bodily autonomy. 360 00:27:21.849 --> 00:27:27.410 Autonomy issue is really I'm what is important. I'm created for my glory. 361 00:27:27.450 --> 00:27:32.359 Yeah, but that's not what the Bible says. We're created for the glory 362 00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:38.839 of God. Then it is a Fort Fifteen. You know, how seriously 363 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:45.990 does God take the value of every human being that he has created? And 364 00:27:47.069 --> 00:27:49.630 I love these verses. Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and 365 00:27:49.750 --> 00:27:53.789 have no compassion on the child she is born? Though she may forget, 366 00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:57.740 I will not forget you. See, I have engraved you on the palms 367 00:27:57.819 --> 00:28:04.420 of my hands. So we are the value of every human being before God 368 00:28:06.220 --> 00:28:11.019 for his glory, and he's the one that has engraved us on the palms 369 00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:17.809 of his hands. So we don't have the right to destroy what he has 370 00:28:18.130 --> 00:28:22.450 created and what he has engraved. Yeah, and will never mean ultimately. 371 00:28:22.609 --> 00:28:26.240 You know, a lot of this centers around the idea of restraints, like, 372 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.200 no one has the right to restrain me to do what I want to 373 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.200 do with my body, as long as it doesn't affect another person. That's 374 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.960 sort of the caveat, as long as it doesn't affect another person. Of 375 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.839 course, in an abortion the argument is it does affect another person. And 376 00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.710 again it's like this self idolatry. Right, it's I get to say what 377 00:28:45.950 --> 00:28:49.230 happens to me and I get ultimately, though, it's bunk, because no 378 00:28:49.390 --> 00:28:53.190 one gets to say anything ultimately when it's all said and done, just like 379 00:28:53.269 --> 00:28:57.140 Jesus said. He says don't fear those who who can kill the body and, 380 00:28:57.220 --> 00:29:00.019 after the body is dead, have power to do nothing with the soul. 381 00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:03.220 But, feeling fear Him who, after the body is dead, has 382 00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:07.019 the power to cast the soul into hell. Right. So, ultimately, 383 00:29:07.099 --> 00:29:11.730 at the end of the day, your body is going to perish and this 384 00:29:11.849 --> 00:29:15.450 autonomy that you think you have is going to cease. Right, you're not 385 00:29:15.569 --> 00:29:19.569 going to have the ability to control your body. Once you're dead, you're 386 00:29:19.650 --> 00:29:22.650 beholding to God, the one who made you, the one who forms your 387 00:29:22.690 --> 00:29:26.400 body and who commands you to do with your body what is right and what 388 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:32.519 is good for his glory, for his glory and in because he says so. 389 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:37.359 Rank right and in and so, when your bodily autonomy is what you 390 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.750 think you have is bodily autonomy is gone, who ultimately is going to have 391 00:29:41.910 --> 00:29:45.670 the say so? Ultimately, God is. So why not give him the 392 00:29:45.750 --> 00:29:49.309 say so now? Why not yield to him now and do that which is 393 00:29:49.349 --> 00:29:52.099 right to him now? You know, it irks me to know end, 394 00:29:52.420 --> 00:29:57.380 to see people claiming to be Christians that would press a bodily autonomy argument. 395 00:29:57.619 --> 00:30:03.539 Now, somehow we're all able to make our own decisions and our decisions only 396 00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:07.289 affect us. That is just so outside of what the Scripture teaches. Yeah, 397 00:30:07.329 --> 00:30:12.930 we don't have autonomy, we have bodily responsibility. That's what we have 398 00:30:14.450 --> 00:30:21.210 and that's that's a greater thought. And then autonomy. Autonomy is Selfish Otto 399 00:30:21.410 --> 00:30:23.839 me self, see, it's what I mean. But when we talk about 400 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:29.359 responsibility, we talk about our ability to respond to the needs of other people, 401 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.240 to respond ultimately to God's truth. Right. Yeah, yeah, that's 402 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:40.470 great. Let's see if that one kind of says the same, same thing 403 00:30:40.509 --> 00:30:45.509 I said before. Let's see if I can find you another. How much 404 00:30:48.869 --> 00:30:52.539 in this is in Matthew six verse Twenty Six. Look at the birds of 405 00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:56.019 the air. They do not so a reap or store away in Barns, 406 00:30:56.339 --> 00:31:00.579 and yet your heavenly father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than 407 00:31:00.619 --> 00:31:04.089 they can any one of you by wearing at a single hour to your life 408 00:31:04.130 --> 00:31:08.529 for so again, talking about that. It is God who provides our needs, 409 00:31:08.569 --> 00:31:11.410 who cares for us, who loves US, yeah, and who values 410 00:31:11.450 --> 00:31:19.440 us. And and he's the one that has control ultimately over every everything. 411 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:25.559 Yeah, we are, and that we do that. He gave Jesus as 412 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.119 is only begotten Son. Yes, again showing the incredible value that God places 413 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.150 on our body. And then this is a great one. Romans twelve one, 414 00:31:34.470 --> 00:31:37.910 okay, a living sacrifice. Yeah, therefore, I urge you, 415 00:31:38.029 --> 00:31:42.789 brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as 416 00:31:42.869 --> 00:31:48.700 a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. This is your true and 417 00:31:48.859 --> 00:31:52.460 proper worship, and I think that's as good on a versus any to talk 418 00:31:52.500 --> 00:31:57.339 about what are. What is the proper use of in fact, didn't use 419 00:31:57.539 --> 00:32:02.809 true and proper worship. Is the proper use of our body to offer our 420 00:32:02.849 --> 00:32:07.650 bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. So here in 421 00:32:07.930 --> 00:32:15.440 in in abortion, it's like the the mother is offering another person's body as 422 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:21.000 a living sacrifice. Yeah, to God, which is not the God to 423 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:25.400 themselves. And I'm sorry exactly, but it is like offering a child to 424 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.269 a false god, like in the Old Testament where you sacrifice the child to 425 00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:35.269 bay all to the fire, and God hated that. Yes, said that 426 00:32:35.349 --> 00:32:39.910 that was an abomination. So I really like that. First in the whole 427 00:32:39.990 --> 00:32:46.500 discussion and we talked about the the Corinthians versus, and I think that was 428 00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:50.819 that was the there. I've one more. Okay, see what that is. 429 00:32:52.460 --> 00:32:54.819 This is from first Peter, okay, to versus four to five, 430 00:32:55.339 --> 00:33:00.369 as you come to him, the living stone, rejected by humans but chosen 431 00:33:00.450 --> 00:33:07.210 by God and precious to him. You also, like living stones, are 432 00:33:07.289 --> 00:33:10.970 being built into a spiritual house, to to be a holy priesthood, offering 433 00:33:12.089 --> 00:33:17.640 spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. So we have become them it. 434 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.680 Christ is first of all, described as the living stone, rejected by 435 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:29.950 humans but chosen by God and precious, and our role is to become like 436 00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:34.470 living stones ourselves. We don't come like Christ, ourselves and our bodies are 437 00:33:34.670 --> 00:33:43.259 that again, that a spiritual sacrifice, yeah, to God through ourselves, 438 00:33:43.339 --> 00:33:46.460 through our bodies. Yeah, the exact opposite of what happens in an abortion. 439 00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:49.900 Yeah, it's so. Ultimately, as Christians, you know, I 440 00:33:49.980 --> 00:33:53.980 can bring this around and use this for some call to action for believers. 441 00:33:55.849 --> 00:33:59.329 We see in the word of God there are things that God says that are 442 00:33:59.529 --> 00:34:04.210 completely immoral, no matter if you're a Christian or a nonbeliever, and murders 443 00:34:04.250 --> 00:34:06.529 course, of one of those things. Adultery is one of those things, 444 00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:08.969 these acts that you commit with your body that affect other people, that are 445 00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:14.840 sin and in God says don't do them. But as believers we have certain 446 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:20.559 commands, just like the Romans twelve passage, which is you you surrender your 447 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.309 body as a living sacrifice. Yeah, also the Corinthians passage that you read 448 00:34:24.510 --> 00:34:28.630 earlier, that our bodies are not our own, we are bought with a 449 00:34:28.869 --> 00:34:32.030 price. Yeah, so we don't have the right as believers, as as 450 00:34:32.070 --> 00:34:37.869 a larger society won't have a right to take advantage of other people and because 451 00:34:37.909 --> 00:34:39.579 of our own body autonomy and what we feel, what we want to do. 452 00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:45.019 But as believers we don't have a right just to do and where we 453 00:34:45.139 --> 00:34:49.539 want to go. We have to obey what God's word says. We're accountable 454 00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:54.050 to God. That whole thing bodily autonomy is bunk. It's bodily responsibility. 455 00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:59.730 We're responsible to do what God's word says we should do, which is in 456 00:34:59.809 --> 00:35:06.610 a society where people are making bodily autonomy the chief and making body and making 457 00:35:06.769 --> 00:35:10.000 self the idol, we've got to tear that thing down. We are called 458 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.159 to be those that bring the truth, that answer a larger society that believes 459 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.559 that, you know, abortion is moral because of bod the autonomy. It's 460 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:27.070 going to euthanasia, of course, it's going to assisted suicide, legalizing prostitution, 461 00:35:27.110 --> 00:35:30.670 all these other things, lealizing whatever drugs that people want to shoot into 462 00:35:30.670 --> 00:35:35.389 their bodies and all that other stuff. Right, and it's going down. 463 00:35:35.469 --> 00:35:38.900 He'll fast because of that self idolatry. We as believers have to uphold the 464 00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:44.739 standard of what God's word says. We have to uphold this this idea that 465 00:35:44.980 --> 00:35:49.420 human beings are made in God's image. We're not just evolved animals that are 466 00:35:49.659 --> 00:35:53.610 only accountable to ourselves. We are accountable to God. Yeah, and that's 467 00:35:53.690 --> 00:35:57.650 part of, you know, part of what we're doing. Had the abortion 468 00:35:57.730 --> 00:36:01.489 clinics right and and and I worry so much about what the message is going 469 00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:06.199 into the next generation, to our yeah, I think we've talked to people 470 00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.480 on these podcasts that I've been counseling, and I'm still counseling a pregnant teen 471 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:16.519 and early on in those discussions with her, she said, I'm not going 472 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:22.590 to give up my whole life for US cell. So there are a few 473 00:36:22.670 --> 00:36:27.789 things there. She's saying my life is what matters. And then there's the 474 00:36:28.309 --> 00:36:31.829 the learned belief that what she carried, she was eight weeks along at that 475 00:36:31.940 --> 00:36:36.579 time, that what she carried was a cell. Just to say, yeah, 476 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:40.539 clearly not a cell. And but but the whole idea is she didn't 477 00:36:40.659 --> 00:36:47.530 need to give up her life for this other entity. Yeah, other body. 478 00:36:47.690 --> 00:36:53.090 And and that's such a you know that that is what happens to a 479 00:36:53.210 --> 00:37:04.119 culture who who says that I'm most important and and other sacrifice is not important 480 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.679 and sacrificing my needs and wants is not important and that other body in the 481 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.199 womb is. Yeah, value. Yeah. So I do think we have 482 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:17.429 to we have to fight that and and and speak truth, yeah, into 483 00:37:17.469 --> 00:37:23.789 that kind of a an understanding, yeah, and tear down that that self 484 00:37:23.909 --> 00:37:29.070 idolatry, that right idea that that self is the god of all things. 485 00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:31.460 And we do that with the word of God. We do that with a 486 00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:36.300 gospel. We do that, you know, talking about how Jesus himself came 487 00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:40.940 and laid his life down as the ultimate sacrifice, and those that put their 488 00:37:42.019 --> 00:37:46.530 trust in him. You know, the rightful response to what Jesus has done 489 00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:51.929 for us, our creator comes and laces life down. The rightful response is 490 00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:54.969 that we lay our lives down. We lay our lives down for the sake 491 00:37:55.050 --> 00:37:59.480 of others. We lay our lives down because there are people that are suffering 492 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.239 who, by God's grace, we can alleviate their suffering by either speaking on 493 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.559 their behalf, Iye, you know, speaking for the unborn, but also 494 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:13.389 meeting practical needs. You know, it's part of our calling as believers to 495 00:38:13.469 --> 00:38:17.710 lay our lives down and to lay self and the idol of self to the 496 00:38:17.869 --> 00:38:22.630 side. And Make God first in our hearts. That's right, and that's 497 00:38:22.630 --> 00:38:27.110 the call of of the word of God toward the Christian. So basically, 498 00:38:27.179 --> 00:38:29.780 that's sort of what I wanted to cover. If you having more to cover 499 00:38:29.900 --> 00:38:31.699 on that's cool. If not, I'll wrap this thing up. And No, 500 00:38:32.019 --> 00:38:36.099 I think that's good. I think that we are, you know, 501 00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:39.699 ultimately we are to bring glory to God through our bodies and we are to 502 00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:45.929 be imitators of Christ. and He, like you said, he laid down 503 00:38:45.090 --> 00:38:51.329 his life for others. And the mother is not laying down her life for 504 00:38:51.489 --> 00:38:57.840 the child. She is making sacrifices in carrying a child. But God never 505 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.440 tells us that we're here on Earth for our comfort, happiness and ease. 506 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.480 Yeah, but we're here on earth to bring glory to God and to be 507 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.750 imitators of Christ. Yeah, yeah, Amen. Well, that's kind of 508 00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:15.429 the subject we wanted to cover today. Appreciate all those that joined us on 509 00:39:15.550 --> 00:39:19.110 the Gospel Center pro life podcast. If you want to connect with me, 510 00:39:19.230 --> 00:39:22.309 you can get that. 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