Bodily Autonomy, is it Biblical?

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.949Lord, I am yours. Welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast300:00:11.230 --> 00:00:14.910and this episode we're going to talkabout the pro choice argument of bodily autonomy.400:00:15.150 --> 00:00:18.030We're going to deal with this subjectbiblically and we're going to think through500:00:18.109 --> 00:00:26.260this thing rationally. Hope you're blessedas you listen. I felt show passish600:00:27.339 --> 00:00:35.500touch your heart. All Right,welcome to the Gospel Center prolife podcast.700:00:35.700 --> 00:00:41.369I'm here today with Vicky and we'regoing to talk about a subject that I800:00:41.490 --> 00:00:45.689think is near and dear to thepro abortion, pro choice folks crowd,900:00:46.250 --> 00:00:50.079which is bodily autonomy. And it'san argument that I hear a lot and1000:00:50.280 --> 00:00:55.240you know, as you you lookon facebook and social media, is is1100:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.039one that's touted by the pro choicecrowd as kind of the end all.1200:00:58.280 --> 00:01:02.759This is sort of like the gauntletsthrown down mic drop when they give these1300:01:03.200 --> 00:01:07.950bodily autonomy arguments. It's it's youshut your mouth because we just proved you1400:01:07.030 --> 00:01:11.670wrong sort of thing. And youknow actually, honestly for me is I'm1500:01:11.750 --> 00:01:17.390looking at the pro choice arguments inthe stuff that people give as arguments for1600:01:17.430 --> 00:01:21.700abortion. To me, the bodilyautonomy argument is the only one that really1700:01:22.099 --> 00:01:25.819is consistent with itself, because then, you know, a lot of the1800:01:25.900 --> 00:01:27.420arguments about, you know, whatif this, what if that? A1900:01:27.659 --> 00:01:33.170lot of the arguments about, youknow, women, you know women can't2000:01:33.170 --> 00:01:36.010provide for a child, therefore it'sokay for to kill it and that sort2100:01:36.049 --> 00:01:38.650of thing, all of these sortof fall to the ground. They're all2200:01:38.769 --> 00:01:41.609really just emotional arguments. This isthe only one, to me, that's2300:01:41.609 --> 00:01:45.730sort of philosophical and it makes makesyou think, it makes you sort of2400:01:45.810 --> 00:01:48.879think these things through, and Ithink it's important that we do put some2500:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.519thought of these arguments and not justkind of brush them to the side.2600:01:51.560 --> 00:01:56.560Ye, and so, first ofall, just kind of define bodily autonomy.2700:01:56.799 --> 00:01:59.120What is bodily autonomy? You wantto take a crack at that,2800:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.989you want to take a step ahead. You know, bodily the human body.2900:02:01.989 --> 00:02:07.549They're talking about the human body autonomy, your control, yeah, over3000:02:07.549 --> 00:02:12.590over your own body, that youhave the right to say what happens to3100:02:12.710 --> 00:02:15.229your body. Yeah, that's thatsound. Yeah, I mean it's it3200:02:15.740 --> 00:02:19.659has to do with really governance overyour body, which is basically what you3300:02:19.819 --> 00:02:23.500just said and that, yeah,you can make the decisions for the things3400:02:23.740 --> 00:02:25.699that affect your body, and Ithink you know we would. We would3500:02:25.699 --> 00:02:30.569pretty much agree, right. Imean I don't. I don't go and3600:02:30.129 --> 00:02:34.009tell people who are you having theirtonsils removed? It. You can't have3700:02:34.090 --> 00:02:37.889your tonsils removed, you know.So we can't pink are that you can't3800:02:37.930 --> 00:02:40.289have me or or earring. Itdoes offend me. Pink here does,3900:02:40.449 --> 00:02:44.360honestly. But I'm not going tomake the laws that say you can't,4000:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.560you know, and we grant themthat bodily yeah, exactly, can have4100:02:47.639 --> 00:02:52.319that bodily autonomy. But we're talkingabout the issue of abortion. Well,4200:02:52.360 --> 00:02:58.000really talking about more than just anindividual's bodily autonomy. And the reason why,4300:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.189you know, when someone gives thatargument to me, one of the4400:03:00.229 --> 00:03:04.270pro abortion people, on a regularbasis, they give that argument you a4500:03:04.310 --> 00:03:07.229woman has a right to govern whathappens inside of her body. It's like,4600:03:07.550 --> 00:03:09.870okay, well, you're not understandingreally where we're coming from, because4700:03:09.909 --> 00:03:14.259I'm really not trying to limit herability to have healthcare. I just don't4800:03:14.259 --> 00:03:17.020want her to kill her child.So I'm talking about two bodies to two4900:03:17.139 --> 00:03:23.099separate people that we're thinking about whenwe're thinking about a pregnant mother, right,5000:03:23.460 --> 00:03:25.099and that's how we do. Ministrieswill reach out on the sidewalks.5100:03:25.139 --> 00:03:29.930We're considering two people. We knowthat we have two people that we're trying5200:03:29.969 --> 00:03:32.050to reach and we have to reachthe mother in order to reach the baby,5300:03:32.129 --> 00:03:36.330and so we understand that. Yeah, but I've had people say,5400:03:36.370 --> 00:03:39.289you know, I'll grant you thatthe baby in the womb or the fetus5500:03:39.289 --> 00:03:44.199is a person, and they'll goto this bodily autonomy argument, which is5600:03:44.319 --> 00:03:49.080a thought experiment from from years past. I read it to you earlier just5700:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.080in preparation for the PODCAST, butI don't read it again, from before5800:03:52.120 --> 00:03:57.229abortion. Yeah, this is thisargument was first posed by Judith Jarvis Tom5900:03:57.509 --> 00:04:01.789Thomas in one thousand nine hundred andseventy one. And this is the like6000:04:02.430 --> 00:04:08.110lay down the MIC drop. Oncethey give this, they've they've just all6100:04:08.189 --> 00:04:11.740these yeah, yeah, we're done, no longer pro life. When they6200:04:11.740 --> 00:04:14.860give this argument, and here's theargument. This is the thought experiment.6300:04:14.860 --> 00:04:17.579I think thought experiments do help.We lay out analogies and stuff like that.6400:04:17.819 --> 00:04:20.379Stuff does help, and so I'mnot just poopoo in the idea of6500:04:20.420 --> 00:04:24.889a thought experiment, but this thoughtexperiment and how it sort of applies to6600:04:24.930 --> 00:04:28.370the bodily autonomy arguments and support ofabortion, I think, can be easily6700:04:28.410 --> 00:04:30.930torn down and ultimately, I thinkjust stick with US folks, because we're6800:04:30.930 --> 00:04:33.449going to get to the word ofGod. That's where ultimately we want to6900:04:33.490 --> 00:04:36.970go. But let's just read thisreal quick it says so you wake in7000:04:38.050 --> 00:04:41.759the morning and you find yourself backto back in bed with an unconscious violinist.7100:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.120Now, why a violinist? Ihave no clue. I'm sure there's7200:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.959some background of that. It's afamous unconscious violinist. He's been found to7300:04:49.000 --> 00:04:53.870have a fatal kidney ailment. Inthe Society of music lovers has canvas all7400:04:53.910 --> 00:04:58.069available medical records and found that youalone have the right blood type to hell.7500:04:58.709 --> 00:05:02.029They have therefore kidnapped you and lastnight the violinist circuitry, circulatory system,7600:05:02.069 --> 00:05:05.509was plugged into yours so that yourkidneys can be used to extract poisons7700:05:05.550 --> 00:05:09.980from his blood as well as yourown. If he's unplugged from you now,7800:05:10.180 --> 00:05:13.620he will die, but in ninemonths he will have recovered from his7900:05:13.699 --> 00:05:16.579ailment and can be safely unplugged fromyou. And so you know, the8000:05:16.660 --> 00:05:23.250the analogy is with the unborn child, nine months obviously one the violinist might8100:05:23.290 --> 00:05:27.529be because he's valuable. Making they'remaking the concession that that baby does have8200:05:27.769 --> 00:05:30.009some sort of value. Yeah,nature experiment. Yeah, and I think8300:05:30.129 --> 00:05:33.689probably we're, you know, asprobably lifers, the Society of music lovers,8400:05:33.730 --> 00:05:40.399who values this this violinist, thoughgreater society maybe doesn't. And their8500:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.079analogy there, right. And sohow do you answer this, though?8600:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.000How do you answer this, thisthought experiment? As you're thinking, okay,8700:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.519if I unpluged this person, like, do I have the right,8800:05:48.720 --> 00:05:54.149if I find myself in this partigament, as wild as the scenario sounds,8900:05:55.670 --> 00:06:00.149do I have a right just tounplug myself from this violinist? Am I9000:06:00.310 --> 00:06:03.300within my bodily autonomy rights to dothat? Right? Yeah, well,9100:06:03.300 --> 00:06:06.899would you think? Yeah, well, well, it's obviously being used as9200:06:06.939 --> 00:06:11.899an analogy between the mother and theChild, and I think that the first9300:06:11.980 --> 00:06:14.740thing I would want to do,I say this a lot, examine the9400:06:14.779 --> 00:06:16.620premise that, yeah, I mushas flawed. Yeah, it's flawed.9500:06:16.699 --> 00:06:23.769Right, okay, because it's it'sfirst of all, you've been kidnapped?9600:06:23.850 --> 00:06:30.050Yeah, against your will, apparently. and well, becoming pregnant with the9700:06:30.129 --> 00:06:35.279child is a very different sort ofthing. You put yourself in a position9800:06:35.879 --> 00:06:42.959where you would become or could.Certainly there is a logical consequence. Yeah,9900:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.430sure, is pregnancy. Yeah,and so did did the person who10000:06:47.550 --> 00:06:53.509is kidnapped? Is? Is thatan equal sort of symbol? And I'd10100:06:53.589 --> 00:06:58.189say no. Yep, kidnapping isnothing like putting yourself in a position where10200:06:58.189 --> 00:07:00.230you could become pregnant. Yeah,and then we talked about this. I10300:07:00.269 --> 00:07:03.180don't know if you want me tospoil the whole story. That a good10400:07:03.220 --> 00:07:11.420for but you know that it's notjust this stranger that you're hooked too who's10500:07:11.420 --> 00:07:15.730not related in any way and andyou're being forst into this, this synbiotic10600:07:15.970 --> 00:07:21.089relationship with him. This is yourchild, yeah, your relative, through10700:07:21.209 --> 00:07:29.810a natural process. A mother andher womb is designed for one thing and10800:07:29.970 --> 00:07:32.920that's to bear a child. Yeah, you being plug to the violinist.10900:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.639It's not what you were designed for. Right, right, and it's not.11000:07:38.120 --> 00:07:43.480They're not your relation. So Ithink the analogy immediately falls apart.11100:07:43.600 --> 00:07:47.790It is it's you're comparing completely differentyeah, sorts of things yeah, and11200:07:48.110 --> 00:07:53.389some folks go into even a sortof a selfdefense thing that you know,11300:07:53.509 --> 00:07:57.550you're within your in your rights todefend yourself, and so they'll even take11400:07:57.670 --> 00:08:00.379you know, okay, I'll granteethat. The baby's a person, but11500:08:00.459 --> 00:08:03.100if the person inside of her bodyis threatening her life, then she has11600:08:03.139 --> 00:08:07.339the ability to defend herself. Right, but against it. What we're talking11700:08:07.339 --> 00:08:11.860about in that scenario is we're talkingabout an unborn child. We're talking about11800:08:11.860 --> 00:08:18.569her offspring. We're not talking aboutsome intruder or some stranger, we're talking11900:08:18.610 --> 00:08:24.689about someone that is her relation.Right. Mother's UN natural inclination of a12000:08:24.810 --> 00:08:31.399mother is to protect her child,not to immediately kill her child when it12100:08:31.440 --> 00:08:37.240becomes an inconvenience or it becomes thatyou're a certain threat. And so abortion12200:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.070is directly against the natural instincts,in the natural way that God has made12300:08:41.110 --> 00:08:46.830a human beings to function. Youknow, and and that's why I really12400:08:46.830 --> 00:08:50.389wanted to get into the bodily autonomything, and I mentioned to you even12500:08:50.429 --> 00:08:56.659talking about this subject is bodily autonomyand self idolatry, that the self becomes12600:08:56.700 --> 00:09:00.460an idol. And you know,the reality is, even with all these12700:09:00.580 --> 00:09:05.539thought experiments. There's other thought experimentsthat they use. One of them about12800:09:05.659 --> 00:09:11.009people seeds. If there were peopleseeds floating around and and they're always just12900:09:11.129 --> 00:09:13.690really it's just in the air andthey all ridiculous. And and you know13000:09:15.210 --> 00:09:20.250certain folks, certain women, havedecided to invest in screens on their windows13100:09:20.289 --> 00:09:22.929so that the people seeds can't comethrough. They have really expensive ones.13200:09:24.009 --> 00:09:26.759But if one just happens to comethrough, is she within her rights to13300:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.399take that people seed and uproot itand throw it away? And so the13400:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.919analogy there is then with a babyand of course you know an unborn baby13500:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.269being a person seed right, whichagain, you know, every analogy breaks13600:09:41.309 --> 00:09:46.990down, and that analogy is certainlybreaks down because again we're talking about human13700:09:46.070 --> 00:09:50.429beings. Aren't talking about just seeds, we're not just talking about again,13800:09:50.509 --> 00:09:54.700not just some stranger that you thatyou were kidnapped and forcedly plugged into.13900:09:54.740 --> 00:10:01.179We're talking about an individual child,a person, and what will say,14000:10:01.179 --> 00:10:03.139according to the word of God,that is made in the image of God.14100:10:03.259 --> 00:10:07.610I think what we're getting down tois we're getting down to the fact14200:10:07.649 --> 00:10:13.889that human beings are different than othercreatures. Human beings are different than other14300:10:13.929 --> 00:10:18.250animals. You know, in oursociety, as people have rejected God and14400:10:18.370 --> 00:10:22.360embrace this idea of evolution and humanbeings are nothing more than just evolved animals,14500:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.480and that mentality, all of theseanalogies are, I guess, are14600:10:26.519 --> 00:10:31.120fitting. You know, but ifyou understand based on the framework that God14700:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.029gives us, human beings are madein his image, then we're talking about14800:10:35.110 --> 00:10:41.110the destruction or the protection of aninnocent human life, right, and using14900:10:41.149 --> 00:10:46.309bodily autonomy to justify killing a personis ridiculous. And then working a lot15000:10:46.350 --> 00:10:50.059of other scenarios either, which willtalk about. Yeah, yeah, like15100:10:50.340 --> 00:10:54.259like if if I don't like you, yeah, and and you're really bothering15200:10:54.340 --> 00:11:00.820me and you're putting unrealistic expectations onme. Well, my body is the15300:11:00.899 --> 00:11:05.090most important, my autonomy is themost important to me, and so why15400:11:05.129 --> 00:11:07.889can't I just get rid of you? Yeah, you know, if,15500:11:09.090 --> 00:11:13.610if bodily autonomy is the be allend all, then then there's no restrictions15600:11:15.169 --> 00:11:18.000on what I can or can't do, even if it harms you. Yeah,15700:11:18.279 --> 00:11:22.919and I think that that's actually amore accurate kind of analogy. Then15800:11:24.200 --> 00:11:31.679then the violinist, in some ways, because it's it's showing what are their15900:11:31.799 --> 00:11:37.870limits? Are there limits that aresociety should put on bodily autonomy? And16000:11:39.029 --> 00:11:43.509really does? None of us arecompletely autonomous. Yeah, right, we16100:11:43.950 --> 00:11:46.620have rights. There are certain thingsthat we have rights to, like,16200:11:46.980 --> 00:11:50.500like we said, pink are youknow what? We have the right to16300:11:50.580 --> 00:11:56.100do that if we so desire.But where do those limits come when it?16400:11:56.259 --> 00:12:01.649Are there limits in society and throughoutreally all history? Yeah, on16500:12:01.330 --> 00:12:07.330where my bodily autonomy needs to berestricted. Yeah, you know, the16600:12:07.809 --> 00:12:15.450scriptures clear own individual responsibility. HMM, and it's also clear only individual autonomy16700:12:15.570 --> 00:12:22.120in a certain sense, but it'sthe things that we do with the governance16800:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.200of our own body, in ourown within our own self, that ultimately16900:12:26.240 --> 00:12:30.950God holds US accountable for. Right. So when Kane Kills Abel, he17000:12:31.070 --> 00:12:33.350did that with his own bodily autonomy. Right. He had this this offense17100:12:33.429 --> 00:12:37.429inside of himself where he was jealousof his brother because God received his sacrifice17200:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.230but not kin's, and he altimatelyuses his bodily autonomy to commit the first17300:12:41.269 --> 00:12:46.580murder where he kills his brother.You know, your autonomy ends where someone17400:12:46.580 --> 00:12:50.940else's life is affected in a negativeway. But even that, in a17500:12:50.980 --> 00:12:54.379sense. They mean the decisions thatwe make with our bodies are going to17600:12:54.500 --> 00:13:00.450affect other people, either positive topositively or negatively. It's just part of17700:13:00.570 --> 00:13:03.889living in a society. You right, it's part of living around other people,17800:13:03.370 --> 00:13:07.610and so you have a certain amountof autonomy. But when you talk,17900:13:07.049 --> 00:13:11.090when you're talking about using that autonomyto kill another person, to commit18000:13:11.129 --> 00:13:13.879an act of violence against another person, that's where it ends. Yeah,18100:13:15.039 --> 00:13:16.879but even you know, it evenends in a sense, and we won't18200:13:16.879 --> 00:13:22.399get into the into the really nutsand bolts of this, but like with18300:13:22.519 --> 00:13:28.870suicide, for example, or withprostitution. Mean, if bodily autonomy sort18400:13:28.870 --> 00:13:33.070of the end all, then themas a society, we're okay with suicide18500:13:33.190 --> 00:13:37.029and it seems more and more uninhibiteddrug use, anything that destroys your body,18600:13:37.070 --> 00:13:41.820even if it doesn't kill you outright, like suicide, but slowly kills18700:13:41.860 --> 00:13:43.659you. Yeah, they should.We have no restrictions on that. If18800:13:43.659 --> 00:13:48.539bodily autonomy is is the most important. Yeah, and even you with prostitution18900:13:48.659 --> 00:13:52.220is as a woman have the rightto sell her body. It's she's autonomous.19000:13:52.299 --> 00:13:54.850He can govern the thing and shesell her body. And prostitution most19100:13:56.009 --> 00:14:01.850nations realize that prostitution is not agood thing, right and most nations make19200:14:01.929 --> 00:14:05.690it illegal for a woman to sellher body and prostitution, and there's reasons19300:14:05.730 --> 00:14:09.440for that, not just bodily autonomyreasons, but moral reasons. It's immoral.19400:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.240But also, you know, womenare exploited through the trafficking that happens19500:14:16.919 --> 00:14:22.279from prostitution, you know, thelegal prostitution trade or whatever. Ultimately,19600:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.190because people are sinners, people takeadvantage of that whole thing and that whole19700:14:26.190 --> 00:14:30.350system is twisted and people are kidnappedand be more taken and sold in all19800:14:30.429 --> 00:14:33.429of that, you know, insimilarly, women are exploited in abortion.19900:14:33.470 --> 00:14:39.620Yeah, they are definitely exploited bybi sexual predators, by you know,20000:14:39.779 --> 00:14:43.700serial adulterers, but the sexual trait. Yeah. So, you know,20100:14:43.779 --> 00:14:48.379at the basis of any discussion ofbottom autonomy, I just think you really20200:14:48.419 --> 00:14:54.769can't get away from the question ofwhy shouldn't, why should or should there20300:14:54.889 --> 00:15:01.250not be protection of my body orprotection of the little baby body? And20400:15:01.490 --> 00:15:07.559and so I think the really thethe root issue that we need to grapple20500:15:07.639 --> 00:15:13.480with is what gives anybody value.Yeah, and I know we know what20600:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.320does from a biblical standpoint. Yeah, that of all God's creation, human20700:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.549beings alone are made in the image. Yeah, I mean you know,20800:15:22.590 --> 00:15:26.789if you if you wanted it,to make the argument with you from the20900:15:26.909 --> 00:15:30.629pro abortion standpoint, that you know, first of all, human beings are21000:15:30.669 --> 00:15:33.230just evolved animals, but we stillhave bodily autonomy. It's like, well,21100:15:35.029 --> 00:15:37.899is that cow that I ate forlunch? You know in a hamburger21200:15:37.139 --> 00:15:41.740that he had bodily autonomy. No, actually, somebody owned him and actually21300:15:41.460 --> 00:15:46.179slaughtered him. We ate him becausehe didn't have bodily autonomy, because because21400:15:46.700 --> 00:15:50.610he's an animal. Yeah, right, and say this whole idea that humans21500:15:50.690 --> 00:15:52.769have bodily atomy and something different animalssort of proves the point, right,21600:15:52.850 --> 00:15:56.090it does. Yeah, and andyou know, of course we grant that21700:15:56.169 --> 00:16:00.570there's a certain amount of autonomy thattakes place. But it's funny that,21800:16:00.809 --> 00:16:04.240and I'm not a I'm not ananti vaxx or sort of person. You21900:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.799know, we're our family's more measured. We don't do every vaccine, but22000:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.000we more careful in those who wantto, you know, come at me22100:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.159because of that. That's fine.We're more measured in vaccines, but we22200:16:15.480 --> 00:16:21.230don't do everyone right, but Iknow people who are stunchly opposed to vaccines22300:16:21.590 --> 00:16:26.590and then also know people, oryou read people who are like stonessly pushing22400:16:26.669 --> 00:16:30.830this thing like mandated government dated vaccines. And it's so funny that many of22500:16:30.870 --> 00:16:36.460the pro abortion, pro choice peoplethe talk about bodily autonomy are for mandated22600:16:36.500 --> 00:16:40.299vaccines. I might man, isthat not a contradiction of terms where you're22700:16:40.419 --> 00:16:45.580basically the government is forcing against someone'sautonomy, forcing that person to take a22800:16:45.779 --> 00:16:49.570vaccine that they may not want?Right? Right, or forced us in22900:16:49.610 --> 00:16:52.690Asia? Yeah, you know,which is on the rise, and it23000:16:52.809 --> 00:16:56.409sounds like with old people. Yeah, you know that. Okay, it's23100:16:56.649 --> 00:17:02.159do they have, do we havebodily autonomy or not? Yeah, and23200:17:02.320 --> 00:17:03.880in that situation, you know,it's really interesting, as I was thinking23300:17:03.920 --> 00:17:11.920about it, in the Bible ison one hand there's there's a definite human23400:17:11.000 --> 00:17:18.230beings are of great, inestimable valuebefore God and their body is of value.23500:17:18.430 --> 00:17:21.950Yeah, God, he numbers everyhair on our head. But at23600:17:22.029 --> 00:17:25.589the same time, later on,I think it's in Corinthians, it talks23700:17:25.630 --> 00:17:30.180about how the in First Corinthians howyour body is not your own, that23800:17:30.500 --> 00:17:33.299it was bought at a price.Yeah, and that we're not. We23900:17:33.579 --> 00:17:38.140don't control our bodies. God does. God's in control, and there's sort24000:17:38.180 --> 00:17:44.059of that, I think, aninteresting it's not a contradiction. Nothing in24100:17:44.099 --> 00:17:48.809the Bible, I think, isa contradiction, but it's two different sides24200:17:48.009 --> 00:17:52.289of this issue. That that thebody is of great, great value,24300:17:53.170 --> 00:18:00.960every one of US uniquely of infinitevalue before God, and yet it's not24400:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.920our own. Yeah, we donot have the final say, ultimately,24500:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.039in where we spend eternity. Yeah, you know, it is always God's24600:18:08.480 --> 00:18:15.710decision and and we are a templeof the Lord and it is his to24700:18:15.829 --> 00:18:18.349do with as he pleases. Yeah, yeah, I mean he's Lord and24800:18:18.430 --> 00:18:22.309he gets to say what goes right. That's ultimately, you know. So24900:18:22.630 --> 00:18:25.710to the argument for Christian if youif you'll jump into that scripture that you25000:18:25.829 --> 00:18:30.660just mentioned, in the First Corinthians, great, yeah, First Corinthians six25100:18:32.420 --> 00:18:37.380and and there's a couple of versesin their first Corinthians six, thirteen to25200:18:37.619 --> 00:18:42.529fifteen says well, part way,three thirteen. The body, however,25300:18:44.049 --> 00:18:48.769is not meant for sexual immorality butfor the Lord and the Lord for the25400:18:48.809 --> 00:18:53.609body body. And then in VerseFifteen, do you not know that your25500:18:53.730 --> 00:18:59.960bodies are members of Christ yourself,and then skip on down to verse nineteen.25600:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.160Do you not know that your bodiesare temples of the Holy Spirit who25700:19:04.279 --> 00:19:08.400is in you, whom you havereceived from God? You are not your25800:19:08.440 --> 00:19:15.269own, you were bought at aChrist therefore, honor God with your own25900:19:15.710 --> 00:19:22.269body. Yeah, and so thatyou know. Of course that's speaking specifically26000:19:22.349 --> 00:19:25.819to Christians, right when he saysyour body is the temple of the Holy26100:19:25.859 --> 00:19:29.539Spirit, and of course we wouldn'tsay an unbeliever has the Holy Spirit,26200:19:30.220 --> 00:19:34.900but the principle is still the samethat God has created the body. God26300:19:36.019 --> 00:19:37.809has created, you know, inin the resurrection. You know, we26400:19:38.210 --> 00:19:41.769think you know, when you dieyou go to heaven or if you're not26500:19:41.849 --> 00:19:44.970right with God, you go tohell, and that's it. Right your26600:19:45.009 --> 00:19:48.289spirit, your you know, whateverthat part of you is that goes,26700:19:48.329 --> 00:19:52.170that's it. But the Bible tellsus that God is going to actually resurrect26800:19:52.170 --> 00:19:55.880our bodies. Yeah, they we'regoing to spend eternity in a physical body,26900:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.559whether that's eternity to heaven or eternityin Hell, because it warns against27000:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.319your flesh being sins, you know, it warns against gnashing of your teeth.27100:20:03.799 --> 00:20:10.910So there's a physicality that is inheaven and inhale and and so the27200:20:11.029 --> 00:20:15.190body. God has a vested interestin in our bodies and what happens with27300:20:15.269 --> 00:20:18.230our bodies, and therefore he givesus certain commands of things that we can27400:20:18.390 --> 00:20:22.180and cannot do right with our bodies. Yeah, some of those commands obviously27500:20:22.220 --> 00:20:26.420or expressly toward Christians. You know, we're commanded to use our body to27600:20:26.500 --> 00:20:30.460go and broadcast the Gospel, togo and preach the Gospel. Right,27700:20:30.900 --> 00:20:34.579but there's also things that God givesall of humanity, prohibitions that God gives27800:20:34.619 --> 00:20:40.089all of humanity in the Ten Commandments, and with each of those ten commandments27900:20:40.130 --> 00:20:44.130there's some aspect of that. That'sthat's it's physical. It's not just heart,28000:20:44.170 --> 00:20:48.970but it's actually physical actions that takeplace. Yea. And so you28100:20:48.049 --> 00:20:52.400know, we have certain prohibitions inthe scriptures what you can and what you28200:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.519cannot do with your body. Shallnot murder. Yeah, Y is,28300:20:55.720 --> 00:20:59.279you know, the most basic one. God hates the shedding of innocent blood.28400:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.000Yeah, other human beings, innocentblood. So and in the in28500:21:03.119 --> 00:21:08.470this first though and in First Corinthiansix, when it says flee immorality,28600:21:08.549 --> 00:21:14.349but the immoral man sins against hisown body. I think you could make28700:21:14.390 --> 00:21:18.029a case that. Well, theimmoral man is not someone who is in28800:21:18.150 --> 00:21:22.980the Lord, but he sins againsthis own body. Yeah, he when28900:21:23.019 --> 00:21:32.579he commits sexual immorality. So,whether whether or not you're a believer,29000:21:32.740 --> 00:21:37.930when you practice Im morality, youhave God is saying you have sinned against29100:21:37.970 --> 00:21:41.849your own body. Yeah. So, so I think it can be applied29200:21:41.890 --> 00:21:52.039bid to to unbelievers and believers alike, that if sexual immorality against your own29300:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.599body is sin, general sin foreveryone, whether a believer or not.29400:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.119Well, how much more so somethinglike murder? Yeah, but that your29500:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.789your body, belongs to the Lord, whether you're a believer or not,29600:22:03.150 --> 00:22:07.869it was the Lord who created you. And like the verses that talk about29700:22:07.869 --> 00:22:14.150the Potter has the right to dowhatever he chooses to do with his clay29800:22:14.269 --> 00:22:18.180creations. Well, the Lord,God, is our pottern and he has29900:22:18.220 --> 00:22:23.180the right to do whatever he choosesto do with with our bodies. Yeah,30000:22:23.180 --> 00:22:30.170yeah, which is a negation ofour autonomy. Yeah, that we30100:22:30.289 --> 00:22:36.410are not our own. Even anunbeliever is not his own. Ultimately,30200:22:36.609 --> 00:22:40.650that body belongs to the Lord.Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah,30300:22:40.650 --> 00:22:45.319every person, whether believer or not, is made in God's image. That's30400:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.440right. And every person, ultimately, you know, the Bible says,30500:22:48.559 --> 00:22:53.920everything was made for him and byhim. So everything, even that which30600:22:53.960 --> 00:23:00.390is disobedient to him, was stillcreated for him with the intention of being30700:23:00.069 --> 00:23:04.190in relationship with him, accountable tohim. Right, and again, the30800:23:04.230 --> 00:23:08.069accountability that we have before God,when we give an account before God,30900:23:08.750 --> 00:23:14.019it's going to be the actions thatwe took with our body. Yeah,31000:23:14.099 --> 00:23:18.779you know, it's going to behow we, through our autonomy, made31100:23:18.859 --> 00:23:22.700decisions that ultimately affect other people.And so, you know, that's what31200:23:22.900 --> 00:23:26.220love is. Love is not justa feeling, emotion inside, but it's31300:23:26.259 --> 00:23:29.289how things are actually worked out inyour own life. You First John,31400:23:29.369 --> 00:23:32.650and first John John says brother,and we ought not love and word only,31500:23:32.809 --> 00:23:34.490but also, indeed, again,the things that you're that you do31600:23:34.769 --> 00:23:38.210with your with your body. That'sright. Yeah, yeah, and and31700:23:38.730 --> 00:23:44.480the the baby in the womb sense, this is all really coming back to.31800:23:45.519 --> 00:23:52.079Does the pregnant mom have the rightto do whatever she wants with that31900:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.470baby in the womb? And ifyou seem bodily autonomy as the argument,32000:23:56.990 --> 00:24:00.190and you said one of the prochoice people that you spoke with even said32100:24:00.190 --> 00:24:04.190I'll grant it's a person. Yeah. Well, I'm as part of that32200:24:04.230 --> 00:24:07.150that argument where they say we did, would just will grant you this person.32300:24:07.349 --> 00:24:11.819But but they're ignoring the fact thatthen this is another body. Well,32400:24:11.859 --> 00:24:17.460what about that ones bodily autonomy?There it's clearly another body. No32500:24:17.660 --> 00:24:21.779one can argue that it is notanother body. It has a separate heart,32600:24:21.819 --> 00:24:26.289separate blood, separate fingerprints, uniquelyand wonderfully made. And you know32700:24:26.450 --> 00:24:30.890every every organ unique and different from, separate from the mothers. So well,32800:24:30.930 --> 00:24:37.289what about their bodily autonomy? Yeah, or the argument is then that,32900:24:37.490 --> 00:24:41.720you know, we're sort of whatargument is is that your bodily autonomy33000:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.160ends when you are affecting another person. If the argument is that this baby33100:24:45.240 --> 00:24:49.839in the womb is affecting that thatmother, well then just flip it around.33200:24:49.880 --> 00:24:56.430The mother is is harming that thatother baby. So that argument is33300:24:56.630 --> 00:25:00.029really illogical. I if they're goingto grant, which some of them won't33400:25:00.029 --> 00:25:03.670grant. Yeah, but if they'regoing to grant, this is another separate33500:25:03.710 --> 00:25:08.859body and it doesn't take very longthrough just scientific medical evidence that yes,33600:25:10.019 --> 00:25:12.779this is another body. Yeah,but if, if, that, if33700:25:14.779 --> 00:25:21.220you can harm that child, you'resaying, because they're harming you. Well,33800:25:21.930 --> 00:25:26.529what about the Child? Yeah,and and what he is allowed to33900:25:26.609 --> 00:25:30.970do towards you? Yeah, see, you can't have both those, right.34000:25:32.009 --> 00:25:34.410Yeah, read some of the otherscriptures, is I know you did34100:25:34.490 --> 00:25:38.119some digging and some good. Yeah. Well, you know, first of34200:25:38.240 --> 00:25:44.799court we talked about Genesis. Thenthat that is the basis for for the34300:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.759value of every human being. Andthen so what does that mean? Well,34400:25:48.799 --> 00:25:56.470it means that in genesis nine,verse six, whoever sheds human blood34500:25:56.509 --> 00:26:00.710by humans shall their blood be shed. And why? For in the image34600:26:00.710 --> 00:26:07.579of God has God made mankind.So so there is a value to human34700:26:07.619 --> 00:26:14.299beings and God is clear that thatvalue is so important that if you harm34800:26:14.859 --> 00:26:22.609another human being, then there areconsequences, severe consequences, and that's because34900:26:22.210 --> 00:26:26.690those human beings are made in thein the image of God. Yeah,35000:26:26.730 --> 00:26:30.890that's what gives them value. SoI kind of went through the Bible just35100:26:32.650 --> 00:26:38.039in order of some of the passagesthat I found that were spiff specific and35200:26:38.279 --> 00:26:45.039and I think something when you're thinkingabout bodily autonomy, so is is are35300:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.150being able to do what we wantwith our body. The most important thing35400:26:49.269 --> 00:26:55.269is that what we're here on earthfor. Biblically, know biblically, go35500:26:55.470 --> 00:26:59.710to Isaiah. Forty three, seven, everyone who is called by my name,35600:26:59.829 --> 00:27:04.180whom, whom I created for myglory, whom I formed and made.35700:27:04.579 --> 00:27:11.500So I think that gives us areally clear indication of what our purpose35800:27:11.579 --> 00:27:15.849is. We're created for God's glory, Not for our glory, and that35900:27:15.970 --> 00:27:21.410goes back to what you were sayingwith self idolatry, this bodily autonomy.36000:27:21.849 --> 00:27:27.410Autonomy issue is really I'm what isimportant. I'm created for my glory.36100:27:27.450 --> 00:27:32.359Yeah, but that's not what theBible says. We're created for the glory36200:27:32.440 --> 00:27:38.839of God. Then it is aFort Fifteen. You know, how seriously36300:27:40.160 --> 00:27:45.990does God take the value of everyhuman being that he has created? And36400:27:47.069 --> 00:27:49.630I love these verses. Can amother forget the baby at her breast and36500:27:49.750 --> 00:27:53.789have no compassion on the child sheis born? Though she may forget,36600:27:55.230 --> 00:27:57.740I will not forget you. See, I have engraved you on the palms36700:27:57.819 --> 00:28:04.420of my hands. So we arethe value of every human being before God36800:28:06.220 --> 00:28:11.019for his glory, and he's theone that has engraved us on the palms36900:28:11.059 --> 00:28:17.809of his hands. So we don'thave the right to destroy what he has37000:28:18.130 --> 00:28:22.450created and what he has engraved.Yeah, and will never mean ultimately.37100:28:22.609 --> 00:28:26.240You know, a lot of thiscenters around the idea of restraints, like,37200:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.200no one has the right to restrainme to do what I want to37300:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.200do with my body, as longas it doesn't affect another person. That's37400:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.960sort of the caveat, as longas it doesn't affect another person. Of37500:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.839course, in an abortion the argumentis it does affect another person. And37600:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.710again it's like this self idolatry.Right, it's I get to say what37700:28:45.950 --> 00:28:49.230happens to me and I get ultimately, though, it's bunk, because no37800:28:49.390 --> 00:28:53.190one gets to say anything ultimately whenit's all said and done, just like37900:28:53.269 --> 00:28:57.140Jesus said. He says don't fearthose who who can kill the body and,38000:28:57.220 --> 00:29:00.019after the body is dead, havepower to do nothing with the soul.38100:29:00.140 --> 00:29:03.220But, feeling fear Him who,after the body is dead, has38200:29:03.259 --> 00:29:07.019the power to cast the soul intohell. Right. So, ultimately,38300:29:07.099 --> 00:29:11.730at the end of the day,your body is going to perish and this38400:29:11.849 --> 00:29:15.450autonomy that you think you have isgoing to cease. Right, you're not38500:29:15.569 --> 00:29:19.569going to have the ability to controlyour body. Once you're dead, you're38600:29:19.650 --> 00:29:22.650beholding to God, the one whomade you, the one who forms your38700:29:22.690 --> 00:29:26.400body and who commands you to dowith your body what is right and what38800:29:26.559 --> 00:29:32.519is good for his glory, forhis glory and in because he says so.38900:29:32.880 --> 00:29:37.359Rank right and in and so,when your bodily autonomy is what you39000:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.750think you have is bodily autonomy isgone, who ultimately is going to have39100:29:41.910 --> 00:29:45.670the say so? Ultimately, Godis. So why not give him the39200:29:45.750 --> 00:29:49.309say so now? Why not yieldto him now and do that which is39300:29:49.349 --> 00:29:52.099right to him now? You know, it irks me to know end,39400:29:52.420 --> 00:29:57.380to see people claiming to be Christiansthat would press a bodily autonomy argument.39500:29:57.619 --> 00:30:03.539Now, somehow we're all able tomake our own decisions and our decisions only39600:30:03.579 --> 00:30:07.289affect us. That is just sooutside of what the Scripture teaches. Yeah,39700:30:07.329 --> 00:30:12.930we don't have autonomy, we havebodily responsibility. That's what we have39800:30:14.450 --> 00:30:21.210and that's that's a greater thought.And then autonomy. Autonomy is Selfish Otto39900:30:21.410 --> 00:30:23.839me self, see, it's whatI mean. But when we talk about40000:30:23.839 --> 00:30:29.359responsibility, we talk about our abilityto respond to the needs of other people,40100:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.240to respond ultimately to God's truth.Right. Yeah, yeah, that's40200:30:33.279 --> 00:30:40.470great. Let's see if that onekind of says the same, same thing40300:30:40.509 --> 00:30:45.509I said before. Let's see ifI can find you another. How much40400:30:48.869 --> 00:30:52.539in this is in Matthew six verseTwenty Six. Look at the birds of40500:30:52.619 --> 00:30:56.019the air. They do not soa reap or store away in Barns,40600:30:56.339 --> 00:31:00.579and yet your heavenly father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than40700:31:00.619 --> 00:31:04.089they can any one of you bywearing at a single hour to your life40800:31:04.130 --> 00:31:08.529for so again, talking about that. It is God who provides our needs,40900:31:08.569 --> 00:31:11.410who cares for us, who lovesUS, yeah, and who values41000:31:11.450 --> 00:31:19.440us. And and he's the onethat has control ultimately over every everything.41100:31:19.480 --> 00:31:25.559Yeah, we are, and thatwe do that. He gave Jesus as41200:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.119is only begotten Son. Yes,again showing the incredible value that God places41300:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.150on our body. And then thisis a great one. Romans twelve one,41400:31:34.470 --> 00:31:37.910okay, a living sacrifice. Yeah, therefore, I urge you,41500:31:38.029 --> 00:31:42.789brothers and sisters, in view ofGod's mercy, to offer your bodies as41600:31:42.869 --> 00:31:48.700a living sacrifice, holy and pleasingto God. This is your true and41700:31:48.859 --> 00:31:52.460proper worship, and I think that'sas good on a versus any to talk41800:31:52.500 --> 00:31:57.339about what are. What is theproper use of in fact, didn't use41900:31:57.539 --> 00:32:02.809true and proper worship. Is theproper use of our body to offer our42000:32:02.849 --> 00:32:07.650bodies as a living sacrifice, holyand pleasing to God. So here in42100:32:07.930 --> 00:32:15.440in in abortion, it's like thethe mother is offering another person's body as42200:32:15.480 --> 00:32:21.000a living sacrifice. Yeah, toGod, which is not the God to42300:32:21.079 --> 00:32:25.400themselves. And I'm sorry exactly,but it is like offering a child to42400:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.269a false god, like in theOld Testament where you sacrifice the child to42500:32:30.430 --> 00:32:35.269bay all to the fire, andGod hated that. Yes, said that42600:32:35.349 --> 00:32:39.910that was an abomination. So Ireally like that. First in the whole42700:32:39.990 --> 00:32:46.500discussion and we talked about the theCorinthians versus, and I think that was42800:32:47.019 --> 00:32:50.819that was the there. I've onemore. Okay, see what that is.42900:32:52.460 --> 00:32:54.819This is from first Peter, okay, to versus four to five,43000:32:55.339 --> 00:33:00.369as you come to him, theliving stone, rejected by humans but chosen43100:33:00.450 --> 00:33:07.210by God and precious to him.You also, like living stones, are43200:33:07.289 --> 00:33:10.970being built into a spiritual house,to to be a holy priesthood, offering43300:33:12.089 --> 00:33:17.640spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through JesusChrist. So we have become them it.43400:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.680Christ is first of all, describedas the living stone, rejected by43500:33:22.720 --> 00:33:29.950humans but chosen by God and precious, and our role is to become like43600:33:30.150 --> 00:33:34.470living stones ourselves. We don't comelike Christ, ourselves and our bodies are43700:33:34.670 --> 00:33:43.259that again, that a spiritual sacrifice, yeah, to God through ourselves,43800:33:43.339 --> 00:33:46.460through our bodies. Yeah, theexact opposite of what happens in an abortion.43900:33:46.500 --> 00:33:49.900Yeah, it's so. Ultimately,as Christians, you know, I44000:33:49.980 --> 00:33:53.980can bring this around and use thisfor some call to action for believers.44100:33:55.849 --> 00:33:59.329We see in the word of Godthere are things that God says that are44200:33:59.529 --> 00:34:04.210completely immoral, no matter if you'rea Christian or a nonbeliever, and murders44300:34:04.250 --> 00:34:06.529course, of one of those things. Adultery is one of those things,44400:34:06.730 --> 00:34:08.969these acts that you commit with yourbody that affect other people, that are44500:34:09.039 --> 00:34:14.840sin and in God says don't dothem. But as believers we have certain44600:34:14.880 --> 00:34:20.559commands, just like the Romans twelvepassage, which is you you surrender your44700:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.309body as a living sacrifice. Yeah, also the Corinthians passage that you read44800:34:24.510 --> 00:34:28.630earlier, that our bodies are notour own, we are bought with a44900:34:28.869 --> 00:34:32.030price. Yeah, so we don'thave the right as believers, as as45000:34:32.070 --> 00:34:37.869a larger society won't have a rightto take advantage of other people and because45100:34:37.909 --> 00:34:39.579of our own body autonomy and whatwe feel, what we want to do.45200:34:39.659 --> 00:34:45.019But as believers we don't have aright just to do and where we45300:34:45.139 --> 00:34:49.539want to go. We have toobey what God's word says. We're accountable45400:34:49.579 --> 00:34:54.050to God. That whole thing bodilyautonomy is bunk. It's bodily responsibility.45500:34:54.090 --> 00:34:59.730We're responsible to do what God's wordsays we should do, which is in45600:34:59.809 --> 00:35:06.610a society where people are making bodilyautonomy the chief and making body and making45700:35:06.769 --> 00:35:10.000self the idol, we've got totear that thing down. We are called45800:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.159to be those that bring the truth, that answer a larger society that believes45900:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.559that, you know, abortion ismoral because of bod the autonomy. It's46000:35:20.599 --> 00:35:27.070going to euthanasia, of course,it's going to assisted suicide, legalizing prostitution,46100:35:27.110 --> 00:35:30.670all these other things, lealizing whateverdrugs that people want to shoot into46200:35:30.670 --> 00:35:35.389their bodies and all that other stuff. Right, and it's going down.46300:35:35.469 --> 00:35:38.900He'll fast because of that self idolatry. We as believers have to uphold the46400:35:38.980 --> 00:35:44.739standard of what God's word says.We have to uphold this this idea that46500:35:44.980 --> 00:35:49.420human beings are made in God's image. We're not just evolved animals that are46600:35:49.659 --> 00:35:53.610only accountable to ourselves. We areaccountable to God. Yeah, and that's46700:35:53.690 --> 00:35:57.650part of, you know, partof what we're doing. Had the abortion46800:35:57.730 --> 00:36:01.489clinics right and and and I worryso much about what the message is going46900:36:01.570 --> 00:36:06.199into the next generation, to ouryeah, I think we've talked to people47000:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.480on these podcasts that I've been counseling, and I'm still counseling a pregnant teen47100:36:09.960 --> 00:36:16.519and early on in those discussions withher, she said, I'm not going47200:36:16.719 --> 00:36:22.590to give up my whole life forUS cell. So there are a few47300:36:22.670 --> 00:36:27.789things there. She's saying my lifeis what matters. And then there's the47400:36:28.309 --> 00:36:31.829the learned belief that what she carried, she was eight weeks along at that47500:36:31.940 --> 00:36:36.579time, that what she carried wasa cell. Just to say, yeah,47600:36:37.019 --> 00:36:40.539clearly not a cell. And butbut the whole idea is she didn't47700:36:40.659 --> 00:36:47.530need to give up her life forthis other entity. Yeah, other body.47800:36:47.690 --> 00:36:53.090And and that's such a you knowthat that is what happens to a47900:36:53.210 --> 00:37:04.119culture who who says that I'm mostimportant and and other sacrifice is not important48000:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.679and sacrificing my needs and wants isnot important and that other body in the48100:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.199womb is. Yeah, value.Yeah. So I do think we have48200:37:12.360 --> 00:37:17.429to we have to fight that andand and speak truth, yeah, into48300:37:17.469 --> 00:37:23.789that kind of a an understanding,yeah, and tear down that that self48400:37:23.909 --> 00:37:29.070idolatry, that right idea that thatself is the god of all things.48500:37:30.539 --> 00:37:31.460And we do that with the wordof God. We do that with a48600:37:31.500 --> 00:37:36.300gospel. We do that, youknow, talking about how Jesus himself came48700:37:36.659 --> 00:37:40.940and laid his life down as theultimate sacrifice, and those that put their48800:37:42.019 --> 00:37:46.530trust in him. You know,the rightful response to what Jesus has done48900:37:46.570 --> 00:37:51.929for us, our creator comes andlaces life down. The rightful response is49000:37:52.010 --> 00:37:54.969that we lay our lives down.We lay our lives down for the sake49100:37:55.050 --> 00:37:59.480of others. We lay our livesdown because there are people that are suffering49200:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.239who, by God's grace, wecan alleviate their suffering by either speaking on49300:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.559their behalf, Iye, you know, speaking for the unborn, but also49400:38:07.000 --> 00:38:13.389meeting practical needs. You know,it's part of our calling as believers to49500:38:13.469 --> 00:38:17.710lay our lives down and to layself and the idol of self to the49600:38:17.869 --> 00:38:22.630side. And Make God first inour hearts. That's right, and that's49700:38:22.630 --> 00:38:27.110the call of of the word ofGod toward the Christian. So basically,49800:38:27.179 --> 00:38:29.780that's sort of what I wanted tocover. If you having more to cover49900:38:29.900 --> 00:38:31.699on that's cool. If not,I'll wrap this thing up. And No,50000:38:32.019 --> 00:38:36.099I think that's good. I thinkthat we are, you know,50100:38:36.300 --> 00:38:39.699ultimately we are to bring glory toGod through our bodies and we are to50200:38:39.739 --> 00:38:45.929be imitators of Christ. and He, like you said, he laid down50300:38:45.090 --> 00:38:51.329his life for others. And themother is not laying down her life for50400:38:51.489 --> 00:38:57.840the child. She is making sacrificesin carrying a child. But God never50500:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.440tells us that we're here on Earthfor our comfort, happiness and ease.50600:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.480Yeah, but we're here on earthto bring glory to God and to be50700:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.750imitators of Christ. Yeah, yeah, Amen. Well, that's kind of50800:39:10.789 --> 00:39:15.429the subject we wanted to cover today. Appreciate all those that joined us on50900:39:15.550 --> 00:39:19.110the Gospel Center pro life podcast.If you want to connect with me,51000:39:19.230 --> 00:39:22.309you can get that. Connect withme at d parks, at cities for51100:39:22.429 --> 00:39:28.699lifecom. You can connect with Vickivcs Orgat cities for lifecom. Our website51200:39:28.739 --> 00:39:31.900is Charlotte dot cities for Life DotOrg and also our national website to help51300:39:31.900 --> 00:39:37.769equip sidewalk counselors. Is Sidewalks numberfor lifecom and we'd like to hear from51400:39:37.769 --> 00:39:42.289you guys. Would like to hearfrom you about your ideas for subjects that51500:39:42.369 --> 00:39:46.449we cover, maybe guests that wecan have on and and whatever you guys51600:39:46.610 --> 00:39:50.969have as far as suggestions for uswith a podcast. We'd certainly like to51700:39:51.050 --> 00:39:53.719hear that. So connect with uson our three email on our website,51800:39:53.719 --> 00:39:57.760even on our facebook page, howeveryou want to connect with us. But51900:39:58.000 --> 00:40:06.119thank you for joining us and Godbless use Milan, use me, give52000:40:06.280 --> 00:40:27.739me, give me. It willcost me my life, but nothing's too52100:40:27.980 --> 00:40:29.380precious inside