Dec. 17, 2020

Are Vaccines Pro-Life?

Are Vaccines Pro-Life?

With the recent release of a COVID vaccine we thought it would be important to talk about vaccines from a Christian Pro-life perspective. Many believers don’t realize that aborted fetal cells are used in the production of some vaccines. How should...


With the recent release of a COVID vaccine we thought it would be important to talk about vaccines from a Christian Pro-life perspective. Many believers don’t realize that aborted fetal cells are used in the production of some vaccines. How should we as believers think about this? Join us as we talk about this important subject.

https://sidewalks4life.com/are-vaccines-derived-from-aborted-fetal-cells/

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.470 Lord, I am Your Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:10.589 --> 00:00:14.310 In this episode we're going to talk about vaccines. Is it pro life to 4 00:00:14.390 --> 00:00:19.309 take vaccines? Or aborted fetal cells really used in vaccines? Stay with us. 5 00:00:19.710 --> 00:00:29.059 Send Me, Lord. I felt show passish, touch your heart. 6 00:00:31.500 --> 00:00:38.689 Use me well. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you 7 00:00:38.810 --> 00:00:43.450 guys tuning in. Appreciate you guys listening. Appreciate you guys sharing this podcast. 8 00:00:43.609 --> 00:00:46.090 We hope that these episodes have been a blessing. We hope that this 9 00:00:46.170 --> 00:00:50.119 episode will be a blessing to you guys as well, and we encourage you, 10 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.520 guys, as it just sh just said, to share this podcast with 11 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:57.000 your friends, with your family, with people that you love, people that 12 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.759 you hate. Well, if you're Christian, you shouldn't hate anybody. Actually, 13 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.159 you should love everyone. People do you don't like so much. Share 14 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.310 it with them. I think it'll be a blessing in this one might actually 15 00:01:07.349 --> 00:01:11.109 help stir up some controversy in your life. Yeah, and make people not 16 00:01:11.230 --> 00:01:14.829 like you so much, or maybe like you better. I don't know. 17 00:01:15.790 --> 00:01:19.340 So keep quiet there. They're important things. I think it's very important things 18 00:01:19.379 --> 00:01:23.819 to share. I think it's important. I think it's a little bit difficult 19 00:01:23.859 --> 00:01:26.980 to sort through, though. Hopefully we're going to sort through this together, 20 00:01:26.180 --> 00:01:30.340 guys. Yeah, what we're going to be talking about? We're talking about 21 00:01:30.379 --> 00:01:38.170 the bio ethics of vaccine. The it is it? The call, yeah, 22 00:01:38.450 --> 00:01:45.409 to use vaccines that have been derived through the use of aboarded fetal cell 23 00:01:45.609 --> 00:01:51.879 yeah, and that's why. That point there is why we're doing this episode. 24 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:56.079 It's right. Yeah, we're not experts. I'm not a medical expert, 25 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.239 I'm not an expert on vaccines. I am not an anti Vaxxer, 26 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.230 I'm not a pro vaxer either. I'm kind of somewhere in between. Just 27 00:02:05.390 --> 00:02:07.709 so that you guys know where I'm coming from. Where you? Where do 28 00:02:07.709 --> 00:02:10.870 you staying on that whole thing? Um, I don't think I I'm knowledgeable 29 00:02:10.949 --> 00:02:15.780 enough. In general, I'm probably where you are. I think vaccines have 30 00:02:15.979 --> 00:02:22.259 clearly done great service to to humanity. I do think there's too many vaccines 31 00:02:22.460 --> 00:02:25.539 now and and I do question the safety of some vaccines, for sure, 32 00:02:25.780 --> 00:02:30.250 including I I have some concerns about this new vaccine, the new covid vaccine. 33 00:02:30.409 --> 00:02:35.289 Yeah, so in general, I think I'm probably kind of somewhere in 34 00:02:35.330 --> 00:02:38.969 the middle. Yeah, and so, okay, that being the case, 35 00:02:38.169 --> 00:02:42.530 why in the world would we, as a gospel center pro life podcast, 36 00:02:43.250 --> 00:02:46.599 even care about the issue of vaccines? Wow, wow, why would we 37 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.080 cover this? Yeah, and there are some very important at the call and 38 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.759 pro life issues surrounding vaccines. There is no doubt, and many people don't 39 00:02:54.759 --> 00:03:05.469 know this, but most vaccines have been developed through the use of aborded fetal 40 00:03:06.110 --> 00:03:13.939 cell lines that were from mostly to aborted babies. In the S and I 41 00:03:14.020 --> 00:03:17.180 think there was one kidneys cells from one aboarded in the eight I think eighty 42 00:03:17.259 --> 00:03:22.259 five. Yeah, and there is, there is a lot of use of 43 00:03:22.340 --> 00:03:29.250 aborded fetal cells in research and in the pharmaceutical industry currently. Yeah, I 44 00:03:29.289 --> 00:03:32.449 mean they're they're that's why there was that big scandal with plan parenthood. So 45 00:03:34.210 --> 00:03:38.009 that is a plant parenthood selling baby parts, correct and all correct. So 46 00:03:38.169 --> 00:03:43.199 that is that. It is clearly a pro life issue and of deep concern 47 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.319 to to many people that that we are pro life and we don't want to 48 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:55.189 do anything that might be tainted with the use of aborted fetal cells for for 49 00:03:55.590 --> 00:04:00.189 any purpose. Yeah, well, I mean if they're killing babies to make 50 00:04:00.229 --> 00:04:03.789 vaccines, then that's an issue, right, and it's going to get abortion 51 00:04:03.830 --> 00:04:06.669 will never end. If you start there, all of a sudden abortion becomes 52 00:04:06.710 --> 00:04:12.180 a money maker, not only to the doctors doing the abortion in the industries, 53 00:04:12.300 --> 00:04:16.019 but also for science and research. Yes, so it's a big issue. 54 00:04:16.060 --> 00:04:19.019 It's important issue. Yeah, absolutely, and I do want to cover 55 00:04:19.180 --> 00:04:23.860 real quick some of the things that were not going to talk about. Right, 56 00:04:24.180 --> 00:04:29.689 okay, we're not going to talk about how vaccines could potentially cause autism 57 00:04:29.689 --> 00:04:31.569 or not. Right, we're not going to talk about that. We're not 58 00:04:31.649 --> 00:04:36.569 going to talk about how effective vaccines are. However, I will say that 59 00:04:36.889 --> 00:04:44.199 to deny that vaccines have had a positive effect, and my mind shoot me, 60 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.279 but in my mind your denying reality. Like vaccines have had a positive 61 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:54.709 impact. Yeah, at least in everything that I've read, unless your total 62 00:04:55.230 --> 00:05:00.430 conspiracy theorist or something, which I'm not, vaccines have had at least a 63 00:05:00.629 --> 00:05:03.629 some kind of positive impact. Again, we're not going to get into that, 64 00:05:03.870 --> 00:05:09.100 though, now. So we're not gonna this is safety effects. Yet 65 00:05:09.379 --> 00:05:12.939 we're not. We're not going to get into into that either. You're going 66 00:05:12.939 --> 00:05:15.699 to have to research all of that on yourself. We do put some of 67 00:05:15.740 --> 00:05:19.019 it in an article? Sure that that we these kind of other points? 68 00:05:19.060 --> 00:05:24.089 Yeah, in an article that will be linked to this podcast. Yeah, 69 00:05:24.129 --> 00:05:30.089 but that's not we're dealing with the the ethics of mostly the covid that don't 70 00:05:30.129 --> 00:05:34.839 covid vaccines. Are they ethical for a pro life person? Yeah, to 71 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:40.399 take an even other vaccines, are they ethical from a pro life? Yeah, 72 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:45.319 point. And so just again, so you guess understand the fact that 73 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.079 we're not talking about those other things doesn't mean those other things don't matter, 74 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.149 right, or that we don't have an opinion about those other things. Actually, 75 00:05:51.149 --> 00:05:55.949 I don't have much knowledge about the whole autism thing and all of that, 76 00:05:56.310 --> 00:06:00.149 but I'm not discounting that. I'm not discounting that as a concern or 77 00:06:00.149 --> 00:06:03.939 any of the other concerns. It's just not what we're going to be talking 78 00:06:03.939 --> 00:06:06.540 about. So they don't take because we're not touching on those things, that 79 00:06:06.699 --> 00:06:10.459 we don't care about those or they don't matter. They do matter, it's 80 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:13.100 just not what we're touching on here. So let's jump into what we actually 81 00:06:13.139 --> 00:06:16.220 are touching on. Yeah, okay, so if ax, if vaccines are 82 00:06:16.259 --> 00:06:24.769 indeed created or produced using aborted fetal cells, we clearly would have a moral 83 00:06:24.810 --> 00:06:31.850 obligation to not use those vaccines. So if they are being developed with the 84 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:40.759 ongoing harvesting of aborted fetal cells, there's no doubt. There is no doubt 85 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:45.519 that we should not be using those vaccines or whatever products are may absolutely from 86 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:48.910 from an ongoing process of using aboarded fetal cells to develop them. Yeah, 87 00:06:49.550 --> 00:06:55.269 but with the question gets gray, and this is what actually is happening, 88 00:06:55.990 --> 00:07:02.660 is there are fetal cell lines, not the actual fetal cells, but fetal 89 00:07:02.779 --> 00:07:09.779 cells from aborted babies decades ago. Yeah, that then have been cultured and 90 00:07:10.540 --> 00:07:19.089 those cell lines have been used in developing vaccines and sometimes in testing vaccines. 91 00:07:19.129 --> 00:07:27.129 Okay, and that's where prolife and all Christians, although those who believe in 92 00:07:27.290 --> 00:07:30.319 love the Lord, Wrestle with is it at the cual for me, yeah, 93 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:35.160 to use those vaccines. So you're saying that just so people who are 94 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.480 listening, who were tuning in, understand what we're talking about. There were 95 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.199 babies that were aborted back in and I've got her in down here, nineteen 96 00:07:45.509 --> 00:07:47.790 ninety or one thousand nineteen sixty six and one thousand nine hundred and sixty two 97 00:07:47.829 --> 00:07:50.430 or two of the fetal cell lines. So there are babies that were aboarded 98 00:07:50.550 --> 00:07:56.589 then, right, that were not aborted just for the sake of using their 99 00:07:56.629 --> 00:08:00.220 cells, but they were aborted and then their cells were used after the fact. 100 00:08:00.379 --> 00:08:03.540 So correct. The intention was, at least from all the information that's 101 00:08:03.579 --> 00:08:05.540 been gathered that we can tell, the intention was not to kill them in 102 00:08:05.620 --> 00:08:09.860 order to use them to make vaccines. But those cells were available, so 103 00:08:09.980 --> 00:08:15.250 they use those cells because there were the most, I don't know, usable 104 00:08:15.370 --> 00:08:20.529 cells for this particular purpose. And those cells themselves, the original cells, 105 00:08:20.569 --> 00:08:24.810 are no longer alive, right, right, but they've been cultured. So 106 00:08:26.009 --> 00:08:30.959 cells have formed from cells, from cells, from cells ultimately, and those 107 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:35.600 cell lines, or what it's currently being used in some of the production of 108 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.159 some of the vaccines, right, right. And the cells, just so 109 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.389 we're clear again, we're even if there were cell lines, and there are, 110 00:08:43.429 --> 00:08:48.710 actually those cells are not actually what's in the vaccine, but the vaccines 111 00:08:48.750 --> 00:08:54.070 are actually grown on or cultured on the cells of that correct, that that's 112 00:08:54.940 --> 00:09:00.220 when they're being used. How produced the vaccines or they're using those cell lines 113 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:03.700 to actually test whether the vaccine is effective. Okay. So, anyway about 114 00:09:03.700 --> 00:09:09.139 it, it's not like there's aborted fetal cells are being injected into us. 115 00:09:09.179 --> 00:09:13.250 Yeah, it's not happening and I think there is that misconception. Yeah, 116 00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:16.889 and you'll see that on facebook. I've heard that with one of the the 117 00:09:16.129 --> 00:09:22.210 pro abortion people who, right was out kind of ragging me about being out 118 00:09:22.330 --> 00:09:26.279 and having a group of people out there because of Covid and I was just 119 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:30.039 messing around and I said I'm okay, I don't have to worry about covid 120 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:31.440 because I got the trump vaccine. So so I'm good to go. And 121 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.279 she was like, you got a vaccine that uses aborted fetal cells. You 122 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:39.149 have aborted fetal cells in your body or a boarded fetuses in your body or 123 00:09:39.190 --> 00:09:43.309 whatever is even this pro abortion person, yeah, knew about this and try 124 00:09:43.350 --> 00:09:46.990 to use it against me. Yeah, and so, yeah, there's a 125 00:09:46.029 --> 00:09:50.789 lot of information. Even she thought that aborted fetus is now. She wouldn't 126 00:09:50.789 --> 00:09:54.299 care, right. Yeah, but they thought them. They're telling us on 127 00:09:54.460 --> 00:09:56.220 her. Yeah. Yeah, you heard some of our reviews, if you've 128 00:09:56.460 --> 00:10:00.379 read some of our reviews on our podcast, are talking about yummy fetuses. 129 00:10:00.460 --> 00:10:01.980 So yeah, I mean they could care less. But she was trying to 130 00:10:03.019 --> 00:10:05.899 use that against me. The point is that even pro abortion people have this 131 00:10:07.019 --> 00:10:11.690 misconception that aborted fetuses are being ejected in people's bodies for the sake of vaccinating 132 00:10:11.730 --> 00:10:18.490 them from from diseases. And additionally, they are aware that this should be 133 00:10:18.490 --> 00:10:24.120 of some concern to pro lifers. Yeah, and so if they're aware and 134 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:33.320 they think that these people that are advocating for life of the unborn are using 135 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:39.269 aborted fetal cells for their benefit, it makes them look like us, look 136 00:10:39.309 --> 00:10:43.309 like hypocrites, and so it's important for us to be able to discern are 137 00:10:43.389 --> 00:10:48.110 we are we being hypocritical? If we have vaccines? What are the ethics 138 00:10:48.149 --> 00:10:52.379 around it? And that's we're hoping to discuss that. Yeah, in in 139 00:10:52.740 --> 00:10:58.059 in this in this podcast. So I read through a whole bunch of articles 140 00:10:58.340 --> 00:11:03.980 to try and understand this as best that I could, and one of the 141 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:09.970 really good articles, the author was Kyle McKenna and the title is aborded fetal 142 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:16.769 tissue in vaccines and medical research obscures the value of all human life. So 143 00:11:16.809 --> 00:11:18.679 when we've got this link, and will link this with the podcast so that 144 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:24.399 you can go through and and read it in itself yourself. But the the 145 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:30.159 author of the article says that. Here's his question. Can we in good 146 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:35.870 conscience support any intervention that is developed through any relationship to the brutal crime of 147 00:11:35.909 --> 00:11:39.429 abortion? If, if aborted babies are used in any part of the vaccine 148 00:11:39.470 --> 00:11:43.990 process, directly or from long ago, is it ethical for us to use 149 00:11:43.149 --> 00:11:48.940 that vaccine? That's the basic question that this article raises. And here's his 150 00:11:48.580 --> 00:11:54.899 concern, and I'm just going to quote this presents a contradiction in the attitude 151 00:11:54.940 --> 00:11:58.820 of the researcher, who says that he does not approve of the injustice abortion 152 00:11:58.899 --> 00:12:05.409 perpetrated by others but at the same time excepts for zone work the biological material, 153 00:12:05.889 --> 00:12:11.769 so the aborted fetal cells which the others have obtained by means of that 154 00:12:11.970 --> 00:12:18.879 injustice. Yeah, so it's setting up a contradiction in his mind. He 155 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:24.759 knows abortions evil, but he's using it for good. And how does how 156 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.320 does he reconcile that? Yes, it's almost like the riot of this article 157 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.149 is saying your hypocrite if you, as a researcher, say that abortion is 158 00:12:33.309 --> 00:12:37.110 wrong, right, and yet you're accepting the material, E. aborted fetal 159 00:12:37.149 --> 00:12:43.190 tissue. That would be using that research right. Your hypocrite. And Yeah, 160 00:12:43.230 --> 00:12:46.379 that's again, that's the main concern and that's why we're doing this podcast. 161 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:50.779 Are Pro lifers hypocrites that exact allow their children to have vaccines or that 162 00:12:50.820 --> 00:12:54.820 are going to take the COVID vaccine? Or Yeah, we're being hypocritical. 163 00:12:54.139 --> 00:12:58.450 And so also, I want to just make you guys aware that, again, 164 00:12:58.490 --> 00:13:03.769 we're not medical experts, were not bioethical experts. We're just thinking these 165 00:13:03.809 --> 00:13:07.049 things through from a practical perspective, from a Biblical perspective, and I don't 166 00:13:07.049 --> 00:13:11.450 know at the end of this podcast if you're going to have I mean, 167 00:13:11.610 --> 00:13:13.960 you'll have solid information, but if you're going to be able to say, 168 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.879 at the end of this podcast, I'm definitely not doing vaccines, definitely not 169 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.960 doing covid vaccines. Are I definitely am a definite we're just giving you some 170 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.879 stuff to think about, some stuff to worry about. Sort and he only 171 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.549 do understand the you'll know this exists, that this issue even exists. When 172 00:13:28.590 --> 00:13:33.389 I went to my doctor when I, for I first found out about aboarded 173 00:13:33.470 --> 00:13:37.269 fetal cell lines in vaccines not that long ago, a few years ago, 174 00:13:37.429 --> 00:13:41.100 and I asked my doctor, who want to give me some vaccine whether that 175 00:13:41.299 --> 00:13:46.740 vaccine was made with aboarded fetal cell lines, and she didn't even know that 176 00:13:46.820 --> 00:13:50.860 that was a thing. She didn't know anything about it and she had to 177 00:13:50.899 --> 00:13:54.299 go look that up. So I think we need to be educated about this, 178 00:13:54.740 --> 00:13:58.169 this issue, so that that's our concern. So the author of that 179 00:13:58.370 --> 00:14:05.529 article that I just cited said that the the the big concern is that any 180 00:14:07.009 --> 00:14:13.120 scientific advance from the use of fetal tissue from elective abortions desensitizes the people who 181 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:18.480 benefit from it, the scientist and the doctors, to the original evil act 182 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:30.590 that produced those cells. And ultimately, could that desensitization lead to validating elective 183 00:14:30.629 --> 00:14:35.110 abortions for a greater good? That slippery slope of it was okay to use 184 00:14:35.149 --> 00:14:39.899 those cell lines. Look at all the good that came of it. Well, 185 00:14:39.940 --> 00:14:45.259 let's keep aboarding babies and using the their cells are perfect for for this 186 00:14:46.220 --> 00:14:52.889 thing that, for developing vaccines or whatever medical advances. So they conclude, 187 00:14:54.009 --> 00:14:58.330 all people of good conscience have the responsibility to voice opposition to the use of 188 00:14:58.370 --> 00:15:05.970 fetal tissue from elective abortions in order to promote the development of alternatives, affirm 189 00:15:07.009 --> 00:15:09.960 the value of human life and limit scandal. Yeah, so they're saying, 190 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:18.080 unless you oppose the use of fetal cell lines, aborted fetal cell lines, 191 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:22.509 being used in vaccines, will there ever, will there be any reason for 192 00:15:22.909 --> 00:15:31.429 scientists and researchers to try to find an alternative that is ethically fine? Okay, 193 00:15:31.750 --> 00:15:35.059 without about question at all. Yeah, fetal cells, and these authors 194 00:15:35.139 --> 00:15:41.220 conclude maybe not. Yeah. So so that's the first point of view, 195 00:15:41.379 --> 00:15:45.179 okay, that they're there. Clearly are vaccines that we are going to go 196 00:15:45.220 --> 00:15:48.580 into more depth about what vaccines actually use aborted fetal cell lines in which ones 197 00:15:48.659 --> 00:15:52.250 don't? There are some that don't. Cry Few actually that don't. But 198 00:15:52.370 --> 00:15:58.490 then there's another point of view, and and an organization that I think presented 199 00:15:58.529 --> 00:16:03.529 that as well as any I've read, is creation ministries. Okay, I 200 00:16:03.649 --> 00:16:08.679 believe it's Creationcom. Yeah, is is their website. They argue the opposite 201 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:14.200 point of view. So in in that article, and we're going to list 202 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:18.309 that article also, the author states that it's it's important to understand that. 203 00:16:18.590 --> 00:16:22.950 First of all, there are misconceptions, which we already talked about, yeah, 204 00:16:22.990 --> 00:16:26.549 about the it's not aborted baby parts are not being, you know, 205 00:16:26.710 --> 00:16:30.669 injected into your body. So you don't have to worry about that and no 206 00:16:30.830 --> 00:16:37.500 more babies today are being used, are being aborted and used to make current 207 00:16:37.659 --> 00:16:41.220 cell lines for use in the vaccine. They say, though, as you 208 00:16:41.379 --> 00:16:49.409 said, unequivocally, vaccines have been proven to help humanity in so many terrible 209 00:16:49.889 --> 00:16:55.129 diseases from the past, polio, yeah, being one of the main ones 210 00:16:55.370 --> 00:17:00.090 mentioned. So they make the point that the greater good of using vaccines, 211 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:07.279 even those developed from the aborted fetal cell lines, makes it okay for a 212 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:17.390 Christian to use those vaccines because it the the good benefit is so far removed 213 00:17:17.869 --> 00:17:22.829 from the original evil act. Yeah, so they're not that's discounting that abortion 214 00:17:22.950 --> 00:17:26.069 is an evil act. They are not. They're not discounting the fact that 215 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:33.019 aborted fetal cell lines are used to produce vaccines and the test vaccines. And 216 00:17:33.099 --> 00:17:36.579 they're just saying, though, that the good outwaghs the bad, right, 217 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:41.220 and that's kind of the question, you know, if the good outweighs the 218 00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:45.410 bad. And if that's the case, then still there's bad, right? 219 00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:49.650 Yeah, there's they're still bad in this in the scenario. Can we, 220 00:17:49.730 --> 00:17:53.690 as Christians, compromise? I mean that's really the question. Can we compromise 221 00:17:55.089 --> 00:17:57.130 because the good always the bad. Right, in order to read the good 222 00:17:57.210 --> 00:18:03.880 benefit, they give an example of an original evil leading to a greater good 223 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.400 to help us understand their point. And they use the example of a drunk 224 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.589 driver who, he drinks, gets drunk, gets behind the wheel of a 225 00:18:12.710 --> 00:18:18.069 car and then is killed in the accident. Okay, and he happens to 226 00:18:18.109 --> 00:18:22.349 be an organ doner, so his organs are harvested and used, maybe to 227 00:18:22.430 --> 00:18:32.019 save many other lives. The original evil act drive in while drunk. That's 228 00:18:32.019 --> 00:18:34.500 evil and and it ended in his death, maybe even took the lives of 229 00:18:34.579 --> 00:18:38.900 other people. Yeah, as he crashed his car, but there was a 230 00:18:40.180 --> 00:18:44.410 good that came of that evil, harvesting his organs, and there were many 231 00:18:44.529 --> 00:18:51.490 people that benefited. Should we not have used his organs for that greater good 232 00:18:52.369 --> 00:18:57.839 just because the act that allowed those organs to be available was evil? I'm 233 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.400 my opinion. I think we're okay to use those organize. He was an 234 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:07.519 organ Downer, right, so he gave his consent. He gave his consent. 235 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.150 Yeah, of course. The question is or it's not even a question. 236 00:19:11.670 --> 00:19:15.150 The reality is that baby that was killed, even if, even though 237 00:19:15.190 --> 00:19:18.470 it was nineteen sixty six or nineteen sixty two was a long time ago. 238 00:19:18.630 --> 00:19:22.950 Still, that baby did not give consent. Right. Quite possibly that Mother 239 00:19:23.660 --> 00:19:26.660 didn't give consense, and even if she did, that wouldn't matter because we're 240 00:19:26.660 --> 00:19:30.539 talking about a separate life. Yeah, so the scenario is a bit different. 241 00:19:30.579 --> 00:19:34.819 Yeah, it is. Plus you go to the the original consent of 242 00:19:36.740 --> 00:19:41.170 did the baby ever give consent to being aborted? You know, and probably 243 00:19:41.210 --> 00:19:45.930 would not have if the baby could have spoken. Yeah, so they talked 244 00:19:45.930 --> 00:19:51.490 about in that. I'll just say the the point is understood. Nonetheless, 245 00:19:52.170 --> 00:19:55.400 there's evil acts that are committed. I mean you could kind of even tweak 246 00:19:55.480 --> 00:20:00.640 the story a bit in like what you mentioned. Let's say this drunk driver 247 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.799 did kill somebody and there was somebody in the other car. Yeah, that 248 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:10.470 was an organ Downer and those organs were donated in that family. Let's say 249 00:20:10.509 --> 00:20:15.670 the surviving family members wanted to donate those organs and they were used for whatever 250 00:20:15.750 --> 00:20:21.230 good. Maybe they they were used to cultivate cells that would ultimately be used 251 00:20:21.269 --> 00:20:23.140 to make vaccines. I don't, don't. I wouldn't have a problem with 252 00:20:23.299 --> 00:20:27.259 that really. Yeah, it wouldn't be much of a moral dilemma there. 253 00:20:29.859 --> 00:20:34.140 The issue comes, though, if we're intentionally getting people drunk and getting them 254 00:20:34.220 --> 00:20:38.450 direct and kill other people so that we can harvest the organs for other things. 255 00:20:38.529 --> 00:20:41.130 The issue is, and I think the main dilemma for us should be, 256 00:20:41.809 --> 00:20:47.809 is our babies intentionally being aborted so that we can use them as a 257 00:20:47.890 --> 00:20:52.680 society in vaccinations and other things? And from what I understand, that's not 258 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.799 happening. These people sell love being developed there. That's how why they're being 259 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.799 aborted. They certainly are, though. We know that this is happening because 260 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.430 of what David de Leyden showed us with the plan parenthood. We do know 261 00:21:04.630 --> 00:21:10.349 that aborted baby parts are being sold for profit. They're not supposed to be, 262 00:21:10.470 --> 00:21:15.349 but they are. Yeah, in order to for scientific research pharmaceutical uses. 263 00:21:15.589 --> 00:21:21.460 Yeah, but you know the fact that the aborted fetal cell lines that 264 00:21:21.539 --> 00:21:26.700 are being used even now are from the s at least tells me that there's 265 00:21:26.740 --> 00:21:32.740 not this ongoing. They're intentionally killing children in the womb in order to use 266 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:37.089 them to make vaccines. Right, they're using these fetal cell lines and, 267 00:21:37.849 --> 00:21:41.049 matter of fact, just talked real quick because you had a conversation with Dr 268 00:21:41.089 --> 00:21:45.930 Matt who's a local position. Yeah, Talk Real quick about why they would 269 00:21:45.930 --> 00:21:48.720 even continue to use these, because the question in my mind could be why 270 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.599 not use fetal cells from a baby that was a result of miscarriage and a 271 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.920 Mother did give consent? She wandered that that tragedy of losing her child, 272 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.150 yeah, to be redemptive, and so she offers her her baby's body, 273 00:22:02.190 --> 00:22:04.509 as people do, to science and to be able to, you know, 274 00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:11.630 conduct research and ultimately come up with a vaccine. Why don't they do that? 275 00:22:11.029 --> 00:22:14.990 WHY FETAL SET? Why these fetal cell lines? Yeah, and and 276 00:22:15.109 --> 00:22:19.460 I specifically asked Dr Matt Harrison. He's he's a friend of the ministry and 277 00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:26.740 the doctor who actually pioneered the abortion pill reversal procedure and protocol. So I 278 00:22:27.220 --> 00:22:32.250 asked him that question. Since we know that there are people willing to offer 279 00:22:32.329 --> 00:22:37.210 miscarried babies organ cells for research, why are aborted baby cell lines used at 280 00:22:37.210 --> 00:22:40.930 all? Why and why not switch over to what we know is morally ethical? 281 00:22:41.130 --> 00:22:45.839 It's okay from a Pro Life Sto or Christian standpoint, and he said 282 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.559 the lines were established many years ago and have remained viable. So I don't 283 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:55.359 think they've bothered to develop more with miscarried babies. Also I'm unsure about newer 284 00:22:55.400 --> 00:23:00.190 lines of cells because in medical terms, and abortionist is either spontaneous miscarriage or 285 00:23:00.349 --> 00:23:06.390 induced, which is in termination through the the abortionist. We call it abortion. 286 00:23:06.910 --> 00:23:11.430 So for all I know, newer lines may have used miscarried fetuses, 287 00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:18.059 but I doubt it because of the controlled situation offered and induced abortions. So 288 00:23:18.220 --> 00:23:22.700 basically, they've got these lines, there's still viable and and so go ahead 289 00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:27.210 and use them. They've they've done what they were supposed to do over all 290 00:23:27.289 --> 00:23:33.130 these decades, so they're continuing to use them. Yeah, and then I 291 00:23:33.329 --> 00:23:36.769 thanked him and said it just seems if there was a greater push for completely 292 00:23:36.890 --> 00:23:40.769 ethical vaccines that would be an option, that you would just get rid of 293 00:23:40.809 --> 00:23:45.279 these abort its fetal cell lines that are better course, proversy and questionable, 294 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.440 and he agreed with me. He's he said, a so. So, 295 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.839 in other words, that's going back to the rite, the original point of 296 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:59.589 view, which is, unless you oppose the morally questionable vaccines, is there 297 00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:03.910 ever going to be a push for morally ethical vaccines? And maybe not. 298 00:24:04.309 --> 00:24:10.819 Yeah, so there's a the article talked about something called the principle of double 299 00:24:10.859 --> 00:24:15.740 effect and that's if a contemplated action has both good and bad effects, then 300 00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:19.140 it's permissible only if it is not wrong in itself, and it does not 301 00:24:19.339 --> 00:24:26.369 require that one directly intend the bad result. So what what that means is 302 00:24:26.569 --> 00:24:32.369 by producing the vaccine using the available cell lines derived from the aborted baby decades 303 00:24:32.450 --> 00:24:37.759 ago. The researcher did not intend the abortion, nor have any direct responsibility 304 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:44.799 for the abortion, but a significant good came from that original evil, and 305 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:51.000 and the principle of double effects as that, even though that evil. There 306 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:56.230 was evil, but there was good that came of it, and so you 307 00:24:56.430 --> 00:25:03.069 can ethically avail yourself of the good. That's basically what that saying. Okay. 308 00:25:03.589 --> 00:25:07.779 So they also make several summary points on vaccines. Vaccines do more good 309 00:25:07.779 --> 00:25:11.059 than harm. According and this is, by the way, a scientific organization. 310 00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:14.619 They do research, they have they have good studying, from what I 311 00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:19.380 feel just looking on their websites, creation dot calm or do creationcom. Okay, 312 00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:23.049 is just looking on their website. Every time I look at any kind 313 00:25:23.089 --> 00:25:29.369 of Christianese sort of website I'm always looking at their statement of faith. Look 314 00:25:29.490 --> 00:25:33.609 solid to me. Yeah, looks to be a solid Christian resource and and 315 00:25:34.450 --> 00:25:38.079 so they're scientific and they're serious about the Bible. Is Serious about the word 316 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.799 of God and maybe you guys know differently than I do. Maybe you've done 317 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.240 it a little deeper into this organization. There's some some questions that you guys 318 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:52.430 have. I didn't have any real questions about. Yeah, they're seriousness about 319 00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:56.390 the Bible and what the honor God. So these are people that Doug with 320 00:25:56.470 --> 00:26:00.150 a biblical dug into the information with a biblical world view. So we have 321 00:26:00.269 --> 00:26:03.500 they do know what we're talking some weight on that. They they are science 322 00:26:03.579 --> 00:26:08.619 scientists that they've, you know, and research it that they have carefully gone 323 00:26:08.660 --> 00:26:12.980 through. So there's some very points on the vaccines, that the vaccines do 324 00:26:14.099 --> 00:26:18.970 more good than harm, that they do counteract the effects of diseases we encounter 325 00:26:18.049 --> 00:26:22.450 as a result of the fall that vaccines I thought this was an interesting point. 326 00:26:22.450 --> 00:26:26.569 They train our immune system to be what God designed it to be. 327 00:26:26.930 --> 00:26:32.329 Yeah, so because of the fall, our immune systems are not fighting the 328 00:26:32.410 --> 00:26:37.240 way that they should and and the vaccines just kind of give a boost to 329 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.400 our immune system to do what but God wants it to do. They claim 330 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.680 that any toxic elements in the vaccines or either many times lower than a toxic 331 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.069 dose or occur naturally in the body in greater amounts than in vaccines. We're 332 00:26:49.109 --> 00:26:52.710 not here to argue that. That's just what the CREATIONCOM says. Yeah, 333 00:26:53.109 --> 00:27:00.910 and we can still trust God and use the medical advances of people God has 334 00:27:00.109 --> 00:27:06.099 bled been or God has blessed to produce those medical advances. I think that's 335 00:27:06.099 --> 00:27:08.460 a really important point. Yeah, that's a massively important point, because there's 336 00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:11.819 a mentality out there that, you know, we should just trust God, 337 00:27:12.579 --> 00:27:19.809 we should just go about and not even be concerned with whatever other medical things 338 00:27:19.890 --> 00:27:23.890 could be going on. I don't think that's a biblical mentality. You do 339 00:27:25.089 --> 00:27:29.369 hear that a lot about covid just trust God. And and what's even worse, 340 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.519 if you don't trust God, if you're going to like wear a mask, 341 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:41.200 you must not be trusting God. Or if if you, if you, 342 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.869 if you're thinking social distancing is is not a good idea, it's because 343 00:27:47.029 --> 00:27:51.430 you don't trust God. And while social distancing or mass I'm not here to 344 00:27:51.470 --> 00:27:55.750 argue either those, but what I'm saying is the idea that if you do 345 00:27:56.710 --> 00:28:02.019 in any way a precaution or a medical suggestion, that somehow you're no longer 346 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:07.259 trusting God. I find that somewhat offensive. Yeah, plus, it's kind 347 00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:08.980 of kind of dumb, to be honest with you. I mean, you 348 00:28:10.059 --> 00:28:12.569 fall down, you break your arm. I mean you imagine that, you're 349 00:28:12.609 --> 00:28:17.369 walking, you stumble and trip on the curb. Yeah, you break your 350 00:28:17.450 --> 00:28:19.690 arm and I come up to you and say you're not going to the hospital, 351 00:28:19.730 --> 00:28:23.049 are you? You should just trust God. What are you going to 352 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:26.490 say to me? Yeah, he'll heal you. If he doesn't, it's 353 00:28:26.569 --> 00:28:30.440 his will. Free to have a terribly crooked arm or something like that. 354 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.599 That's that's ridiculous. Same people that would say that would use a band aid 355 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.480 right with Papa Tile and all when they get a headache. I'm not I'm 356 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.109 not faulting them for that right. God has given us just practical means to 357 00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:45.069 take care of things, and if vaccines are one of those things, and 358 00:28:45.150 --> 00:28:48.029 I think in some measure they are, there are practical means. God has 359 00:28:48.069 --> 00:28:52.269 given this wisdom to men to be able to impart to other people, to 360 00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:56.819 use this for good. To just say we should trust God and not use 361 00:28:56.859 --> 00:29:00.779 vaccines is to break your arm. Just say you should trust God and not 362 00:29:00.859 --> 00:29:06.539 go get a cast. Right, exactly. Exactly so. So don't use 363 00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:10.690 that line on people because it can really be not good. Okay, so 364 00:29:11.289 --> 00:29:18.009 use morally acceptable vaccines if available. CREATIONCOM does agree that if there are morally 365 00:29:18.049 --> 00:29:22.650 acceptable vaccines that don't have these questionable fetal cell lines in them, then use 366 00:29:22.690 --> 00:29:29.759 them, use the morally acceptable wants. But if not, vaccines derived from 367 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.759 the evil of abortion of two babies forty years ago, they believe, are 368 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.319 still morally permissible for Christians. Yeah, and so if that's kind of your 369 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.109 bent, I think it's a good idea to read through what they said, 370 00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:44.670 because they do, I think, really support what why they came to that 371 00:29:44.789 --> 00:29:47.910 conclar yeah, I don't want to mention something, though, because it's mentioned 372 00:29:47.950 --> 00:29:52.190 here and we've already touched on it. So I don't want people to misunderstand 373 00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:55.220 that. We're saying these babies were killed back in the S and therefore it 374 00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:57.299 makes it not a big deal or that there was only two or that there 375 00:29:57.380 --> 00:30:02.500 was only two and somehow it makes it no two precious babies that were killed 376 00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:07.170 forty plus years ago or whatever. That's still two babies that were killed. 377 00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:10.690 Like time doesn't make them less valuable. So no one saying that right but 378 00:30:10.809 --> 00:30:17.410 the fact that they're still using these aborted fetal cell lines forty years from from 379 00:30:17.450 --> 00:30:19.609 the point when they were initially harvested. I hate to use that term, 380 00:30:21.009 --> 00:30:26.160 but human beings. But at least lets me know that there's not some conspiracy 381 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.640 just again to kill babies and put their bodies in vaccines, put their cells 382 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.400 into vaccines, because they're still using these cells. And I think one of 383 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.670 the points and one of the reasons why, from your conversation with Dr Matt 384 00:30:37.950 --> 00:30:40.990 even in this article and other things that I've read, the reason why is 385 00:30:41.109 --> 00:30:45.190 because of stability, like they have kind of a baseline with these fetal cells, 386 00:30:45.509 --> 00:30:48.509 and so they're sticking with them because it takes care of an unknowns, 387 00:30:48.670 --> 00:30:55.380 whereas if they introduce brand new fetal cells there's some more unknowns. These feed 388 00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:57.980 fetal cells have stood the test of time, so to speak. Kind of 389 00:30:59.099 --> 00:31:03.339 yeah, I think that. I think that is the point. So so 390 00:31:03.500 --> 00:31:08.730 the next big question is our vaccines made with a boarded fetal cells? We've 391 00:31:08.769 --> 00:31:11.809 already made the point, not with the cells themselves, but yes, they 392 00:31:11.890 --> 00:31:17.970 are. There are many vaccines that are produced through these aborted fetal fetal cell 393 00:31:18.049 --> 00:31:21.160 lines. Yeah, and so I wanted to go over those. Okay, 394 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:22.720 briefly. We won't take a lot of time with that, but just so 395 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.440 that you know seek because there are some of these are common diseases, common 396 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:33.029 vaccines. Most children have gotten these vaccines and I know I sure didn't know 397 00:31:33.549 --> 00:31:37.150 that aborted fetal cell lines were being used in them. And there are some 398 00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:41.789 morally acceptable alternatives in some of these. Okay. So the vaccines the following 399 00:31:42.029 --> 00:31:48.660 diseases that use vaccines or are fault with vaccines produced in a morally acceptable way. 400 00:31:49.460 --> 00:31:55.019 That means not using the aborted fetus cell lines. Diphtheria, tetanus, 401 00:31:55.819 --> 00:32:04.089 Pertussis, which is whooping cough, hemophilus influenza, type B Hib I've JEB 402 00:32:04.450 --> 00:32:10.329 but ABHIB but hepatitis be and influenza. All of those vaccines morally acceptable. 403 00:32:12.009 --> 00:32:15.440 You don't have to worry. Okay, so they don't use they do not, 404 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:23.559 so supported Peta set lines. Now the following list of diseases do have 405 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:31.109 vaccines, are are are fault with vaccines that have been produced using aborded fetal 406 00:32:31.190 --> 00:32:35.349 cell lines. Okay, some of them. I've never heard of a dinovirus, 407 00:32:35.470 --> 00:32:38.910 type for and type seven. It is produced the vaccine for that is 408 00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:45.140 produced using aborted fetus sell lines and there's no morally ex sceptable alternative. Okay, 409 00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:52.700 chicken pox, no morally acceptable alternative. They do use fetal cell lines 410 00:32:52.819 --> 00:32:58.930 and everyone's vaccinated, unless you're an antibax are. Everyone is vaccinated for chicken 411 00:32:59.009 --> 00:33:01.130 pox. Very much. Well, that's the one that we, as a 412 00:33:01.210 --> 00:33:07.170 family, did not give our children's. Like, because I have the chicken 413 00:33:07.250 --> 00:33:10.130 pox, right, I don't a kid and it was itchy and it was 414 00:33:10.329 --> 00:33:14.240 not fun. Yeah, but it's not going to kill you, right. 415 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.480 And Man, I guess maybe they're people that have died from the chicken box. 416 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.759 I guess they are, from what I've heard, from cat scratch fever, 417 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.839 right, yeah, sure, I mean people have died from eating tid 418 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.430 Paul. Yeah, people that from all kinds of things, right, but 419 00:33:28.509 --> 00:33:31.589 it's not very common. And so I'm like, why even vaccinate your kids 420 00:33:31.630 --> 00:33:35.910 with the chicken pox vaccine? I mean this might give you even a maybe 421 00:33:36.109 --> 00:33:37.910 didn't even know when you may even decision. Why we didn't do that is 422 00:33:37.950 --> 00:33:43.059 because the spirit of about yes, because it's like, well, the benefit 423 00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:45.539 is going to be what? They don't get the chicken pox, right, 424 00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:50.180 but potentially I'm doing something, or at least compromising in some way, that 425 00:33:50.339 --> 00:33:53.140 there's really no benefit there at all. Yeah, so, yeah, we 426 00:33:53.660 --> 00:34:00.250 didn't do that one. Yeah, okay, Hepatitis A is produced using a 427 00:34:00.329 --> 00:34:07.050 boarded fetal cells lines and there is no acceptable alternative. Hepatitis A B, 428 00:34:08.050 --> 00:34:16.239 which is, I guess, combination disease. That also that has two choices. 429 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.480 You. There is a vaccine that does use the aborted fetal cell lines, 430 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.590 but there's they do benn't do have an alternative for that one? Always 431 00:34:23.670 --> 00:34:28.789 wise to ask your doctor if this is of concern to you, which it 432 00:34:28.909 --> 00:34:31.469 is to me, and I always do ask my doctor. Does this vaccine 433 00:34:31.550 --> 00:34:43.099 use aboarded fetal cell lines? Mesolsmumpson rubellaw? Does it contains the combination? 434 00:34:44.539 --> 00:34:49.820 Is does use aborded fetal cell lines? Each one of those diseases separately. 435 00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:54.289 You can get a vaccination that maybe has an a morally acceptable alternative, but 436 00:34:54.690 --> 00:34:58.610 it's not sold that way in the United States. You have to get them 437 00:34:58.650 --> 00:35:05.250 as a combination and there is no there is no morally acceptable alternative in the 438 00:35:05.329 --> 00:35:10.960 US. Okay, polio, there is the the one that used aboarded fetal 439 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.679 cell lines has been discontinued. That vaccine. So now the vaccine for polio 440 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:24.949 does have a morally acceptable alternative. Okay, rabies, no alternative. It 441 00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:30.510 uses aboarded fetal cell line and rabies you can die from if you get rabies. 442 00:35:30.590 --> 00:35:34.590 So that be a tough one. That that's a situation. Where are 443 00:35:34.630 --> 00:35:38.260 you willing to die or are you going to know that you're using aborded fetal 444 00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:43.340 cell lines? So we have and we're going to post this article right the 445 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:45.619 sidewalks for life website. Yeah, we will be posted other places. Yeah, 446 00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:49.300 you know, kind of give you guys this rundown that we're going right, 447 00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:52.690 we're going through. Right, let's jump real quick. Okay, too. 448 00:35:52.409 --> 00:36:00.409 I guess the most timely list here is the COVID VEX. Yeah, 449 00:36:00.730 --> 00:36:02.889 the CO vaccines. Actually, I heard started radio. Actually, yeah, 450 00:36:02.929 --> 00:36:07.440 we're being distributed. There would be nicetributed today. Yeah. So, Yep. 451 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.320 What are the covid vaccines that that are being distributor or like right light 452 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.639 on the edge of being distributed, and do those use aboarded fetals? There 453 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:22.269 are three leading vaccines currently in the contest and they are Moderna, fiser and 454 00:36:22.349 --> 00:36:25.070 biointech is the second one, and that's the one that is rolling out already. 455 00:36:25.230 --> 00:36:32.420 Okay, that's the bio intech and Astra Zenica knows that. VISOR PV 456 00:36:32.619 --> 00:36:38.579 Pfi Zer and bio and biointech there. They're a combined company. That's one 457 00:36:38.619 --> 00:36:43.460 vaccine, fiser and Bioin tegator. They're the ones that are rolling out today 458 00:36:44.139 --> 00:36:49.889 and and then MODERNA's coming out soon. Astras Zenica is the third one. 459 00:36:50.369 --> 00:36:54.610 So Astra Zenica does use aborted fetal cell lines in its production. Okay, 460 00:36:54.769 --> 00:37:00.440 the other two do not, not in their production, but they do use 461 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:07.159 aboarded fetal cell lines in testing. When they tested these vaccines, they did 462 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:12.280 do it on a boarded fetal cell lines. So none of the top contenders 463 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:19.150 are untainted. Yeah, from the abortion fetal cell line. Okay, do 464 00:37:19.389 --> 00:37:22.070 with that what you will. If you get this vaccine, and again we're 465 00:37:22.230 --> 00:37:28.230 talking about no other aspect of the covid vaccines other than all three of the 466 00:37:28.389 --> 00:37:35.260 top leading ones have used aborted fetal cell lines either in production or in testing. 467 00:37:35.780 --> 00:37:43.579 where I to make a moral choice, I would definitely prefer the vaccine 468 00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:47.929 that had not been using those fetal cell lines in its in its production. 469 00:37:49.449 --> 00:37:52.250 It did use it in testing, but not its production, and that is 470 00:37:52.329 --> 00:37:57.889 the current one out there that is rolling out today. It in the production 471 00:37:57.929 --> 00:38:01.719 of the that vaccine, they did not use aborded fetal cell lines. Yeah, 472 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.599 okay. So there you have it, folks, and I guess our 473 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:14.550 final thoughts maybe should be about the spiritual dimension of all of this. We've 474 00:38:14.590 --> 00:38:17.909 kind of woven that in a little bit. But you know, I was 475 00:38:19.030 --> 00:38:22.869 thinking, and I've heard all of this as people have been discussing the pandemic 476 00:38:23.110 --> 00:38:28.940 and the vaccines. Yeah, is is the pandemic the result of spiritual warfare? 477 00:38:29.139 --> 00:38:32.300 Is it a tool of Satan to fill humanity with confusion and fear? 478 00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:39.420 Is it punishment from God for the moral decay and so many critical areas where 479 00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:46.050 we have gone so are from the Biblical Standard Of Holiness and righteousness? Does 480 00:38:46.130 --> 00:38:51.130 it have none of that? Is there no spiritual dimension to the disease or 481 00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:57.480 the vaccine? Was it purposely be least as part of some genocidal or world 482 00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:01.440 domination conspiracy? God knows the answer to all of those that. But I 483 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.400 know you. You have a perspective. Yeah, I missed from a spiritual 484 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.030 point, from a from a spiritual point of view, as a jar of 485 00:39:09.070 --> 00:39:13.949 spiritual spiritual man that I had to city. I don't think there's a couple 486 00:39:14.030 --> 00:39:16.710 things to consider. Okay, as far as just talking about the covid disease 487 00:39:16.789 --> 00:39:21.150 itself, right, is it a judgment from the Lord? Is that at 488 00:39:21.150 --> 00:39:24.900 least possible? Yeah, certainly, at least it's possible, and there's biblical 489 00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:30.539 precedence. Yeah, absolutely. I mean God certainly can and does. We 490 00:39:30.619 --> 00:39:32.260 see all through the Bible, not just in the Old Testament but read the 491 00:39:32.260 --> 00:39:37.340 book of the revelation. God does release judgments own people, and so is 492 00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:43.090 it possible that because we have murdered over sixty million of our own children in 493 00:39:43.130 --> 00:39:45.929 the womb and done other vile things that are an abomination in the sight of 494 00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:50.449 God as a nation, that God has sent Covid as a judgment? That's 495 00:39:50.530 --> 00:39:53.559 possible. Yeah, I think it's certainly something we should consider. We should 496 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:58.280 be seeking the Lord's wisdom for and the fact part of this world wide, 497 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.559 and look at what's happening to our world in terms of rebellion against God. 498 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.829 Certainly, certainly a possibility. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm some Prophet that 499 00:40:07.949 --> 00:40:10.309 knows that God sent this as a judgment. People that are saying that God 500 00:40:10.469 --> 00:40:15.909 sent him sent this as a judgment or I think somebody calls some prophets of 501 00:40:15.989 --> 00:40:20.909 the of the thirteen hour right, people who prophesy after the fact. I 502 00:40:21.500 --> 00:40:23.059 know God was going to send this. I just didn't tell anybody. Yeah, 503 00:40:23.300 --> 00:40:27.780 all right, yeah, right. But it is possible they God sent 504 00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:30.619 this as a judgment. You see that as a biblical precedence. Possible, 505 00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:34.940 possible that the devil is involved. I think there's it's not just possible, 506 00:40:34.940 --> 00:40:39.090 it's absolutely true. Certainly the Lord can use the the devil to bring about 507 00:40:39.130 --> 00:40:45.570 his purposes, although I don't think the devil and God work together in tandem. 508 00:40:45.650 --> 00:40:47.409 Certainly got as much wiser than the devil and can use the devil anyway. 509 00:40:47.409 --> 00:40:51.159 That's kind of a rabbit trail. The point is the devil certainly in 510 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.599 this covid thing, you see all of the fear, all of the confusion, 511 00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:58.039 all of the selfishness, and even that's involved. It's like man, 512 00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:02.079 they will certainly involved in this in some measure and then just be a natural 513 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.630 phenomenon. Right, that's that's a possibility. Either way. We have to 514 00:41:07.710 --> 00:41:13.710 view things from a biblical perspective that the Lord is in charge, God is 515 00:41:13.789 --> 00:41:19.340 in control. Yeah, is that mean he's controlling every time someone gets sickness 516 00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:23.980 from this covid disease and dies. I don't God's not putting covid diseases in 517 00:41:24.099 --> 00:41:28.420 people, but there is this principle of sin that's at work in the world 518 00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:30.340 because of the fall, right, and it's one of the reasons why we're 519 00:41:30.340 --> 00:41:32.969 talking about this podcast. Are there things there? There means that God has 520 00:41:32.969 --> 00:41:37.130 given us, practically as human beings, to kind of at least hold off 521 00:41:37.210 --> 00:41:43.170 some of the results of the fall when we do other medical interventions to push 522 00:41:43.210 --> 00:41:46.400 back diseases and things that are result of the fall? Is a vaccine now 523 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.079 taking a vaccine? Is that something that is also you could be used to 524 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.679 that end? So they're just some of the thoughts that I have. As 525 00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.679 far as looking at it from a spiritual, spiritual perspective, one of the 526 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:04.349 thoughts that I had, I'd love to hear your your your thoughts about this, 527 00:42:04.429 --> 00:42:09.710 is that we we certainly can't control the fact that Covid is out there, 528 00:42:10.670 --> 00:42:16.940 we can control our response. There has been so much disunity and hate 529 00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:23.380 over different people's responses, both to Covid, to the vaccine, to the 530 00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:29.179 measures the politics behind it. So much and that, to me, is 531 00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:36.449 heartbreaking. Yeah, that are we behaving the way God would have us behave 532 00:42:36.690 --> 00:42:43.769 in response to this horror? Yeah, that is that is upon us. 533 00:42:44.090 --> 00:42:45.119 Maybe it's not a horror, a lot of people say it's not, that 534 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:52.719 it's overinflated whatever. Yeah, but to hate others based on how they respond 535 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:58.789 or to belittle others based on what they choose to do with the information, 536 00:43:00.789 --> 00:43:05.909 I think that that grieves the heart of God. Yeah, absolutely so. 537 00:43:06.110 --> 00:43:09.670 I think that that's kind of that's one of the things that I thought about 538 00:43:09.670 --> 00:43:14.980 a lot as I was going through this research. I was thinking a good 539 00:43:15.099 --> 00:43:21.619 case could be made for taking these vaccines and feeling that is morally acceptable, 540 00:43:22.420 --> 00:43:27.650 and a good case could be made for refusing to yeah, but I don't 541 00:43:27.889 --> 00:43:35.090 think that are standing before God should be questioned in either case. Yeah, 542 00:43:35.289 --> 00:43:39.329 and that's a that's a really good point, and Paul addresses this and the 543 00:43:39.369 --> 00:43:44.639 book of Romans he talks about US considering the weaker brother and he talks about 544 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.559 it in particular as it concerns eating meat or not eating meat. Eating meat 545 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.760 that sacrifice to idols, or not eating meat because it could be sacrificed to 546 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.320 idols, and we should consider our weaker brother and it kind of goes both 547 00:43:54.320 --> 00:44:00.469 ways. We need to consider that other believers might not hold the same convictions 548 00:44:00.550 --> 00:44:06.989 we do, as long as those convictions can be sustained from scripture. Right. 549 00:44:07.670 --> 00:44:10.260 You know, we're not talking about people who want to go out and 550 00:44:10.460 --> 00:44:15.699 just intentionally murder children, yeah, to create vaccines. Those people aren't Christians. 551 00:44:15.739 --> 00:44:20.500 Yeah, but we are talking about a scenario in which there have been 552 00:44:20.659 --> 00:44:23.449 some babies that have been aboarded, whose fetal sales have been used to produce 553 00:44:23.530 --> 00:44:28.849 vaccines, and some Christians are thinking, well, that was a horrible act 554 00:44:28.889 --> 00:44:30.489 or not. We're not trying to justify that act, but there is a 555 00:44:30.530 --> 00:44:35.449 redemptive thing to come out of this and therefore I'm okay with taking a vaccine. 556 00:44:35.489 --> 00:44:37.210 I'm okay with given my children vaccines and that sort of thing. Yeah, 557 00:44:37.250 --> 00:44:40.719 again, not getting into the other issues. Right, is talking about 558 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.320 it from a moral perspective. Right. We need to consider each other and 559 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:51.800 we need to be understanding and seek unity in as much as we can Yemen. 560 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.150 Yeah. Yeah. So with that, guys, we appreciate you tune 561 00:44:55.190 --> 00:44:59.909 and into this podcast. Again, we'd appreciate you guys would share this podcast 562 00:45:00.349 --> 00:45:04.269 reach out to us. Maybe you have a suggestion of something maybe we didn't 563 00:45:04.269 --> 00:45:07.260 cover in this podcast. Yeah, maybe something that we kind of didn't see 564 00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:10.699 as we're talking about vaccines. Or maybe there's a complete other subject that you 565 00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:14.940 want us to try to cover. We'd certainly love to cover that. So 566 00:45:15.019 --> 00:45:19.139 you can reach out to us. Daniel at Love Life Dot Org or Vicky 567 00:45:19.579 --> 00:45:22.010 at Love Life Dot Org. 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