Are Vaccines Pro-Life?

0:00 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, Lord, I am Your Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. In this episode we're going to talk about vaccines. Is it pro life to take vaccines? Or aborted fetal cells really used in vaccines? Stay with us. Send Me, Lord. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use me well. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys tuning in. Appreciate you guys listening. Appreciate you guys sharing this podcast.

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1:51 It's right. Yeah, we're not experts. I'm not a medical expert, I'm not an expert on vaccines. I am not an anti Vaxxer, I'm not a pro vaxer either. I'm kind of somewhere in between. Just so that you guys know where I'm coming from. Where you? Where do you staying on that whole thing? Um, I don't think I I'm knowledgeable enough. In general, I'm probably where you are. I think vaccines have clearly done great service to to humanity. I do think there's too many vaccines now and and I do question the safety of some vaccines, for sure, including I I have some concerns about this new vaccine, the new covid vaccine. Yeah, so in general, I think I'm probably kind of somewhere in the middle. Yeah, and so, okay, that being the case, why in the world would we, as a gospel center pro life podcast, even care about the issue of vaccines? Wow, wow, why would we cover this? Yeah, and there are some very important at the call and pro life issues surrounding vaccines. There is no doubt, and many people don't know this, but most vaccines have been developed through the use of aborded fetal cell lines that were from mostly to aborted babies. In the S and I think there was one kidneys cells from one aboarded in the eight I think eighty five. Yeah, and there is, there is a lot of use of

3:22 aborded fetal cells in research and in the pharmaceutical industry currently. Yeah, I mean they're they're that's why there was that big scandal with plan parenthood. So that is a plant parenthood selling baby parts, correct and all correct. So that is that. It is clearly a pro life issue and of deep concern to to many people that that we are pro life and we don't want to do anything that might be tainted with the use of aborted fetal cells for for any purpose. Yeah, well, I mean if they're killing babies to make vaccines, then that's an issue, right, and it's going to get abortion will never end. If you start there, all of a sudden abortion becomes a money maker, not only to the doctors doing the abortion in the industries, but also for science and research. Yes, so it's a big issue.

4:16 It's important issue. Yeah, absolutely, and I do want to cover real quick some of the things that were not going to talk about. Right, okay, we're not going to talk about how vaccines could potentially cause autism or not. Right, we're not going to talk about that. We're not going to talk about how effective vaccines are. However, I will say that to deny that vaccines have had a positive effect, and my mind shoot me, but in my mind your denying reality. Like vaccines have had a positive impact. Yeah, at least in everything that I've read, unless your total conspiracy theorist or something, which I'm not, vaccines have had at least a some kind of positive impact. Again, we're not going to get into that, though, now. So we're not gonna this is safety effects. Yet we're not. We're not going to get into into that either. You're going to have to research all of that on yourself. We do put some of it in an article? Sure that that we these kind of other points?

5:19 Yeah, in an article that will be linked to this podcast. Yeah, but that's not we're dealing with the the ethics of mostly the covid that don't covid vaccines. Are they ethical for a pro life person? Yeah, to take an even other vaccines, are they ethical from a pro life? Yeah, point. And so just again, so you guess understand the fact that we're not talking about those other things doesn't mean those other things don't matter, right, or that we don't have an opinion about those other things. Actually, I don't have much knowledge about the whole autism thing and all of that, but I'm not discounting that. I'm not discounting that as a concern or any of the other concerns. It's just not what we're going to be talking about. So they don't take because we're not touching on those things, that we don't care about those or they don't matter. They do matter, it's just not what we're touching on here. So let's jump into what we actually are touching on. Yeah, okay, so if ax, if vaccines are indeed created or produced using aborted fetal cells, we clearly would have a moral obligation to not use those vaccines. So if they are being developed with the ongoing harvesting of aborted fetal cells, there's no doubt. There is no doubt that we should not be using those vaccines or whatever products are may absolutely from from an ongoing process of using aboarded fetal cells to develop them. Yeah,

6:49 but with the question gets gray, and this is what actually is happening, is there are fetal cell lines, not the actual fetal cells, but fetal cells from aborted babies decades ago. Yeah, that then have been cultured and those cell lines have been used in developing vaccines and sometimes in testing vaccines. Okay, and that's where prolife and all Christians, although those who believe in love the Lord, Wrestle with is it at the cual for me, yeah, to use those vaccines. So you're saying that just so people who are listening, who were tuning in, understand what we're talking about. There were babies that were aborted back in and I've got her in down here, nineteen ninety or one thousand nineteen sixty six and one thousand nine hundred and sixty two or two of the fetal cell lines. So there are babies that were aboarded then, right, that were not aborted just for the sake of using their cells, but they were aborted and then their cells were used after the fact.

8:00 So correct. The intention was, at least from all the information that's been gathered that we can tell, the intention was not to kill them in order to use them to make vaccines. But those cells were available, so they use those cells because there were the most, I don't know, usable cells for this particular purpose. And those cells themselves, the original cells, are no longer alive, right, right, but they've been cultured. So cells have formed from cells, from cells, from cells ultimately, and those cell lines, or what it's currently being used in some of the production of some of the vaccines, right, right. And the cells, just so we're clear again, we're even if there were cell lines, and there are, actually those cells are not actually what's in the vaccine, but the vaccines are actually grown on or cultured on the cells of that correct, that that's when they're being used. How produced the vaccines or they're using those cell lines to actually test whether the vaccine is effective. Okay. So, anyway about it, it's not like there's aborted fetal cells are being injected into us.

9:09 Yeah, it's not happening and I think there is that misconception. Yeah, and you'll see that on facebook. I've heard that with one of the the pro abortion people who, right was out kind of ragging me about being out and having a group of people out there because of Covid and I was just messing around and I said I'm okay, I don't have to worry about covid because I got the trump vaccine. So so I'm good to go. And she was like, you got a vaccine that uses aborted fetal cells. You have aborted fetal cells in your body or a boarded fetuses in your body or whatever is even this pro abortion person, yeah, knew about this and try to use it against me. Yeah, and so, yeah, there's a lot of information. Even she thought that aborted fetus is now. She wouldn't care, right. Yeah, but they thought them. They're telling us on her. Yeah. Yeah, you heard some of our reviews, if you've read some of our reviews on our podcast, are talking about yummy fetuses.

10:00 So yeah, I mean they could care less. But she was trying to use that against me. The point is that even pro abortion people have this misconception that aborted fetuses are being ejected in people's bodies for the sake of vaccinating them from from diseases. And additionally, they are aware that this should be of some concern to pro lifers. Yeah, and so if they're aware and they think that these people that are advocating for life of the unborn are using aborted fetal cells for their benefit, it makes them look like us, look like hypocrites, and so it's important for us to be able to discern are we are we being hypocritical? If we have vaccines? What are the ethics around it? And that's we're hoping to discuss that. Yeah, in in in this in this podcast. So I read through a whole bunch of articles to try and understand this as best that I could, and one of the really good articles, the author was Kyle McKenna and the title is aborded fetal tissue in vaccines and medical research obscures the value of all human life. So when we've got this link, and will link this with the podcast so that you can go through and and read it in itself yourself. But the the author of the article says that. Here's his question. Can we in good conscience support any intervention that is developed through any relationship to the brutal crime of

11:35 abortion? If, if aborted babies are used in any part of the vaccine process, directly or from long ago, is it ethical for us to use that vaccine? That's the basic question that this article raises. And here's his concern, and I'm just going to quote this presents a contradiction in the attitude of the researcher, who says that he does not approve of the injustice abortion perpetrated by others but at the same time excepts for zone work the biological material, so the aborted fetal cells which the others have obtained by means of that injustice. Yeah, so it's setting up a contradiction in his mind. He knows abortions evil, but he's using it for good. And how does how does he reconcile that? Yes, it's almost like the riot of this article is saying your hypocrite if you, as a researcher, say that abortion is wrong, right, and yet you're accepting the material, E. aborted fetal tissue. That would be using that research right. Your hypocrite. And Yeah, that's again, that's the main concern and that's why we're doing this podcast.

12:46 Are Pro lifers hypocrites that exact allow their children to have vaccines or that are going to take the COVID vaccine? Or Yeah, we're being hypocritical. And so also, I want to just make you guys aware that, again, we're not medical experts, were not bioethical experts. We're just thinking these things through from a practical perspective, from a Biblical perspective, and I don't know at the end of this podcast if you're going to have I mean, you'll have solid information, but if you're going to be able to say, at the end of this podcast, I'm definitely not doing vaccines, definitely not doing covid vaccines. Are I definitely am a definite we're just giving you some stuff to think about, some stuff to worry about. Sort and he only do understand the you'll know this exists, that this issue even exists. When I went to my doctor when I, for I first found out about aboarded fetal cell lines in vaccines not that long ago, a few years ago, and I asked my doctor, who want to give me some vaccine whether that vaccine was made with aboarded fetal cell lines, and she didn't even know that that was a thing. She didn't know anything about it and she had to go look that up. So I think we need to be educated about this, this issue, so that that's our concern. So the author of that article that I just cited said that the the the big concern is that any scientific advance from the use of fetal tissue from elective abortions desensitizes the people who benefit from it, the scientist and the doctors, to the original evil act

14:18 that produced those cells. And ultimately, could that desensitization lead to validating elective abortions for a greater good? That slippery slope of it was okay to use those cell lines. Look at all the good that came of it. Well, let's keep aboarding babies and using the their cells are perfect for for this thing that, for developing vaccines or whatever medical advances. So they conclude, all people of good conscience have the responsibility to voice opposition to the use of fetal tissue from elective abortions in order to promote the development of alternatives, affirm the value of human life and limit scandal. Yeah, so they're saying, unless you oppose the use of fetal cell lines, aborted fetal cell lines, being used in vaccines, will there ever, will there be any reason for scientists and researchers to try to find an alternative that is ethically fine? Okay, without about question at all. Yeah, fetal cells, and these authors conclude maybe not. Yeah. So so that's the first point of view, okay, that they're there. Clearly are vaccines that we are going to go into more depth about what vaccines actually use aborted fetal cell lines in which ones don't? There are some that don't. Cry Few actually that don't. But

15:52 then there's another point of view, and and an organization that I think presented that as well as any I've read, is creation ministries. Okay, I believe it's Creationcom. Yeah, is is their website. They argue the opposite point of view. So in in that article, and we're going to list that article also, the author states that it's it's important to understand that. First of all, there are misconceptions, which we already talked about, yeah, about the it's not aborted baby parts are not being, you know, injected into your body. So you don't have to worry about that and no more babies today are being used, are being aborted and used to make current cell lines for use in the vaccine. They say, though, as you said, unequivocally, vaccines have been proven to help humanity in so many terrible diseases from the past, polio, yeah, being one of the main ones mentioned. So they make the point that the greater good of using vaccines, even those developed from the aborted fetal cell lines, makes it okay for a Christian to use those vaccines because it the the good benefit is so far removed from the original evil act. Yeah, so they're not that's discounting that abortion

17:22 is an evil act. They are not. They're not discounting the fact that aborted fetal cell lines are used to produce vaccines and the test vaccines. And they're just saying, though, that the good outwaghs the bad, right, and that's kind of the question, you know, if the good outweighs the bad. And if that's the case, then still there's bad, right? Yeah, there's they're still bad in this in the scenario. Can we, as Christians, compromise? I mean that's really the question. Can we compromise because the good always the bad. Right, in order to read the good benefit, they give an example of an original evil leading to a greater good to help us understand their point. And they use the example of a drunk driver who, he drinks, gets drunk, gets behind the wheel of a car and then is killed in the accident. Okay, and he happens to be an organ doner, so his organs are harvested and used, maybe to save many other lives. The original evil act drive in while drunk. That's evil and and it ended in his death, maybe even took the lives of other people. Yeah, as he crashed his car, but there was a good that came of that evil, harvesting his organs, and there were many people that benefited. Should we not have used his organs for that greater good just because the act that allowed those organs to be available was evil? I'm

18:59 my opinion. I think we're okay to use those organize. He was an organ Downer, right, so he gave his consent. He gave his consent. Yeah, of course. The question is or it's not even a question. The reality is that baby that was killed, even if, even though it was nineteen sixty six or nineteen sixty two was a long time ago. Still, that baby did not give consent. Right. Quite possibly that Mother didn't give consense, and even if she did, that wouldn't matter because we're talking about a separate life. Yeah, so the scenario is a bit different. Yeah, it is. Plus you go to the the original consent of did the baby ever give consent to being aborted? You know, and probably would not have if the baby could have spoken. Yeah, so they talked about in that. I'll just say the the point is understood. Nonetheless, there's evil acts that are committed. I mean you could kind of even tweak the story a bit in like what you mentioned. Let's say this drunk driver did kill somebody and there was somebody in the other car. Yeah, that was an organ Downer and those organs were donated in that family. Let's say the surviving family members wanted to donate those organs and they were used for whatever good. Maybe they they were used to cultivate cells that would ultimately be used to make vaccines. I don't, don't. I wouldn't have a problem with that really. Yeah, it wouldn't be much of a moral dilemma there.

20:29 The issue comes, though, if we're intentionally getting people drunk and getting them direct and kill other people so that we can harvest the organs for other things. The issue is, and I think the main dilemma for us should be, is our babies intentionally being aborted so that we can use them as a society in vaccinations and other things? And from what I understand, that's not happening. These people sell love being developed there. That's how why they're being aborted. They certainly are, though. We know that this is happening because of what David de Leyden showed us with the plan parenthood. We do know that aborted baby parts are being sold for profit. They're not supposed to be, but they are. Yeah, in order to for scientific research pharmaceutical uses.

21:15 Yeah, but you know the fact that the aborted fetal cell lines that are being used even now are from the s at least tells me that there's not this ongoing. They're intentionally killing children in the womb in order to use them to make vaccines. Right, they're using these fetal cell lines and, matter of fact, just talked real quick because you had a conversation with Dr Matt who's a local position. Yeah, Talk Real quick about why they would even continue to use these, because the question in my mind could be why not use fetal cells from a baby that was a result of miscarriage and a Mother did give consent? She wandered that that tragedy of losing her child, yeah, to be redemptive, and so she offers her her baby's body, as people do, to science and to be able to, you know, conduct research and ultimately come up with a vaccine. Why don't they do that?

22:11 WHY FETAL SET? Why these fetal cell lines? Yeah, and and I specifically asked Dr Matt Harrison. He's he's a friend of the ministry and the doctor who actually pioneered the abortion pill reversal procedure and protocol. So I asked him that question. Since we know that there are people willing to offer miscarried babies organ cells for research, why are aborted baby cell lines used at all? Why and why not switch over to what we know is morally ethical? It's okay from a Pro Life Sto or Christian standpoint, and he said the lines were established many years ago and have remained viable. So I don't think they've bothered to develop more with miscarried babies. Also I'm unsure about newer lines of cells because in medical terms, and abortionist is either spontaneous miscarriage or induced, which is in termination through the the abortionist. We call it abortion.

23:06 So for all I know, newer lines may have used miscarried fetuses, but I doubt it because of the controlled situation offered and induced abortions. So basically, they've got these lines, there's still viable and and so go ahead and use them. They've they've done what they were supposed to do over all these decades, so they're continuing to use them. Yeah, and then I thanked him and said it just seems if there was a greater push for completely ethical vaccines that would be an option, that you would just get rid of these abort its fetal cell lines that are better course, proversy and questionable, and he agreed with me. He's he said, a so. So, in other words, that's going back to the rite, the original point of view, which is, unless you oppose the morally questionable vaccines, is there ever going to be a push for morally ethical vaccines? And maybe not.

24:04 Yeah, so there's a the article talked about something called the principle of double effect and that's if a contemplated action has both good and bad effects, then it's permissible only if it is not wrong in itself, and it does not require that one directly intend the bad result. So what what that means is by producing the vaccine using the available cell lines derived from the aborted baby decades ago. The researcher did not intend the abortion, nor have any direct responsibility for the abortion, but a significant good came from that original evil, and and the principle of double effects as that, even though that evil. There was evil, but there was good that came of it, and so you can ethically avail yourself of the good. That's basically what that saying. Okay.

25:03 So they also make several summary points on vaccines. Vaccines do more good than harm. According and this is, by the way, a scientific organization. They do research, they have they have good studying, from what I feel just looking on their websites, creation dot calm or do creationcom. Okay, is just looking on their website. Every time I look at any kind of Christianese sort of website I'm always looking at their statement of faith. Look solid to me. Yeah, looks to be a solid Christian resource and and so they're scientific and they're serious about the Bible. Is Serious about the word of God and maybe you guys know differently than I do. Maybe you've done it a little deeper into this organization. There's some some questions that you guys have. I didn't have any real questions about. Yeah, they're seriousness about the Bible and what the honor God. So these are people that Doug with a biblical dug into the information with a biblical world view. So we have they do know what we're talking some weight on that. They they are science scientists that they've, you know, and research it that they have carefully gone through. So there's some very points on the vaccines, that the vaccines do more good than harm, that they do counteract the effects of diseases we encounter as a result of the fall that vaccines I thought this was an interesting point.

26:22 They train our immune system to be what God designed it to be. Yeah, so because of the fall, our immune systems are not fighting the way that they should and and the vaccines just kind of give a boost to our immune system to do what but God wants it to do. They claim that any toxic elements in the vaccines or either many times lower than a toxic dose or occur naturally in the body in greater amounts than in vaccines. We're not here to argue that. That's just what the CREATIONCOM says. Yeah, and we can still trust God and use the medical advances of people God has bled been or God has blessed to produce those medical advances. I think that's a really important point. Yeah, that's a massively important point, because there's a mentality out there that, you know, we should just trust God, we should just go about and not even be concerned with whatever other medical things could be going on. I don't think that's a biblical mentality. You do hear that a lot about covid just trust God. And and what's even worse, if you don't trust God, if you're going to like wear a mask, you must not be trusting God. Or if if you, if you, if you're thinking social distancing is is not a good idea, it's because you don't trust God. And while social distancing or mass I'm not here to argue either those, but what I'm saying is the idea that if you do

27:56 in any way a precaution or a medical suggestion, that somehow you're no longer trusting God. I find that somewhat offensive. Yeah, plus, it's kind of kind of dumb, to be honest with you. I mean, you fall down, you break your arm. I mean you imagine that, you're walking, you stumble and trip on the curb. Yeah, you break your arm and I come up to you and say you're not going to the hospital, are you? You should just trust God. What are you going to say to me? Yeah, he'll heal you. If he doesn't, it's his will. Free to have a terribly crooked arm or something like that. That's that's ridiculous. Same people that would say that would use a band aid right with Papa Tile and all when they get a headache. I'm not I'm not faulting them for that right. God has given us just practical means to take care of things, and if vaccines are one of those things, and I think in some measure they are, there are practical means. God has given this wisdom to men to be able to impart to other people, to use this for good. To just say we should trust God and not use vaccines is to break your arm. Just say you should trust God and not go get a cast. Right, exactly. Exactly so. So don't use that line on people because it can really be not good. Okay, so use morally acceptable vaccines if available. CREATIONCOM does agree that if there are morally acceptable vaccines that don't have these questionable fetal cell lines in them, then use them, use the morally acceptable wants. But if not, vaccines derived from

29:29 the evil of abortion of two babies forty years ago, they believe, are still morally permissible for Christians. Yeah, and so if that's kind of your bent, I think it's a good idea to read through what they said, because they do, I think, really support what why they came to that conclar yeah, I don't want to mention something, though, because it's mentioned here and we've already touched on it. So I don't want people to misunderstand that. We're saying these babies were killed back in the S and therefore it makes it not a big deal or that there was only two or that there was only two and somehow it makes it no two precious babies that were killed forty plus years ago or whatever. That's still two babies that were killed. Like time doesn't make them less valuable. So no one saying that right but the fact that they're still using these aborted fetal cell lines forty years from from the point when they were initially harvested. I hate to use that term, but human beings. But at least lets me know that there's not some conspiracy just again to kill babies and put their bodies in vaccines, put their cells into vaccines, because they're still using these cells. And I think one of the points and one of the reasons why, from your conversation with Dr Matt even in this article and other things that I've read, the reason why is because of stability, like they have kind of a baseline with these fetal cells, and so they're sticking with them because it takes care of an unknowns, whereas if they introduce brand new fetal cells there's some more unknowns. These feed fetal cells have stood the test of time, so to speak. Kind of yeah, I think that. I think that is the point. So so

31:03 the next big question is our vaccines made with a boarded fetal cells? We've already made the point, not with the cells themselves, but yes, they are. There are many vaccines that are produced through these aborted fetal fetal cell lines. Yeah, and so I wanted to go over those. Okay, briefly. We won't take a lot of time with that, but just so that you know seek because there are some of these are common diseases, common vaccines. Most children have gotten these vaccines and I know I sure didn't know that aborted fetal cell lines were being used in them. And there are some morally acceptable alternatives in some of these. Okay. So the vaccines the following diseases that use vaccines or are fault with vaccines produced in a morally acceptable way.

31:49 That means not using the aborted fetus cell lines. Diphtheria, tetanus, Pertussis, which is whooping cough, hemophilus influenza, type B Hib I've JEB but ABHIB but hepatitis be and influenza. All of those vaccines morally acceptable. You don't have to worry. Okay, so they don't use they do not, so supported Peta set lines. Now the following list of diseases do have vaccines, are are are fault with vaccines that have been produced using aborded fetal cell lines. Okay, some of them. I've never heard of a dinovirus, type for and type seven. It is produced the vaccine for that is produced using aborted fetus sell lines and there's no morally ex sceptable alternative. Okay, chicken pox, no morally acceptable alternative. They do use fetal cell lines and everyone's vaccinated, unless you're an antibax are. Everyone is vaccinated for chicken pox. Very much. Well, that's the one that we, as a family, did not give our children's. Like, because I have the chicken pox, right, I don't a kid and it was itchy and it was not fun. Yeah, but it's not going to kill you, right.

33:14 And Man, I guess maybe they're people that have died from the chicken box. I guess they are, from what I've heard, from cat scratch fever, right, yeah, sure, I mean people have died from eating tid Paul. Yeah, people that from all kinds of things, right, but it's not very common. And so I'm like, why even vaccinate your kids with the chicken pox vaccine? I mean this might give you even a maybe didn't even know when you may even decision. Why we didn't do that is because the spirit of about yes, because it's like, well, the benefit is going to be what? They don't get the chicken pox, right, but potentially I'm doing something, or at least compromising in some way, that there's really no benefit there at all. Yeah, so, yeah, we didn't do that one. Yeah, okay, Hepatitis A is produced using a boarded fetal cells lines and there is no acceptable alternative. Hepatitis A B, which is, I guess, combination disease. That also that has two choices.

34:16 You. There is a vaccine that does use the aborted fetal cell lines, but there's they do benn't do have an alternative for that one? Always wise to ask your doctor if this is of concern to you, which it is to me, and I always do ask my doctor. Does this vaccine use aboarded fetal cell lines? Mesolsmumpson rubellaw? Does it contains the combination? Is does use aborded fetal cell lines? Each one of those diseases separately. You can get a vaccination that maybe has an a morally acceptable alternative, but it's not sold that way in the United States. You have to get them as a combination and there is no there is no morally acceptable alternative in the US. Okay, polio, there is the the one that used aboarded fetal cell lines has been discontinued. That vaccine. So now the vaccine for polio does have a morally acceptable alternative. Okay, rabies, no alternative. It uses aboarded fetal cell line and rabies you can die from if you get rabies.

35:30 So that be a tough one. That that's a situation. Where are you willing to die or are you going to know that you're using aborded fetal cell lines? So we have and we're going to post this article right the sidewalks for life website. Yeah, we will be posted other places. Yeah, you know, kind of give you guys this rundown that we're going right, we're going through. Right, let's jump real quick. Okay, too. I guess the most timely list here is the COVID VEX. Yeah, the CO vaccines. Actually, I heard started radio. Actually, yeah, we're being distributed. There would be nicetributed today. Yeah. So, Yep. What are the covid vaccines that that are being distributor or like right light on the edge of being distributed, and do those use aboarded fetals? There are three leading vaccines currently in the contest and they are Moderna, fiser and biointech is the second one, and that's the one that is rolling out already.

36:25 Okay, that's the bio intech and Astra Zenica knows that. VISOR PV Pfi Zer and bio and biointech there. They're a combined company. That's one vaccine, fiser and Bioin tegator. They're the ones that are rolling out today and and then MODERNA's coming out soon. Astras Zenica is the third one. So Astra Zenica does use aborted fetal cell lines in its production. Okay, the other two do not, not in their production, but they do use aboarded fetal cell lines in testing. When they tested these vaccines, they did do it on a boarded fetal cell lines. So none of the top contenders are untainted. Yeah, from the abortion fetal cell line. Okay, do with that what you will. If you get this vaccine, and again we're talking about no other aspect of the covid vaccines other than all three of the top leading ones have used aborted fetal cell lines either in production or in testing.

37:35 where I to make a moral choice, I would definitely prefer the vaccine that had not been using those fetal cell lines in its in its production. It did use it in testing, but not its production, and that is the current one out there that is rolling out today. It in the production of the that vaccine, they did not use aborded fetal cell lines. Yeah, okay. So there you have it, folks, and I guess our final thoughts maybe should be about the spiritual dimension of all of this. We've kind of woven that in a little bit. But you know, I was thinking, and I've heard all of this as people have been discussing the pandemic and the vaccines. Yeah, is is the pandemic the result of spiritual warfare?

38:29 Is it a tool of Satan to fill humanity with confusion and fear? Is it punishment from God for the moral decay and so many critical areas where we have gone so are from the Biblical Standard Of Holiness and righteousness? Does it have none of that? Is there no spiritual dimension to the disease or the vaccine? Was it purposely be least as part of some genocidal or world domination conspiracy? God knows the answer to all of those that. But I know you. You have a perspective. Yeah, I missed from a spiritual point, from a from a spiritual point of view, as a jar of spiritual spiritual man that I had to city. I don't think there's a couple things to consider. Okay, as far as just talking about the covid disease itself, right, is it a judgment from the Lord? Is that at least possible? Yeah, certainly, at least it's possible, and there's biblical precedence. Yeah, absolutely. I mean God certainly can and does. We see all through the Bible, not just in the Old Testament but read the book of the revelation. God does release judgments own people, and so is it possible that because we have murdered over sixty million of our own children in the womb and done other vile things that are an abomination in the sight of God as a nation, that God has sent Covid as a judgment? That's possible. Yeah, I think it's certainly something we should consider. We should be seeking the Lord's wisdom for and the fact part of this world wide, and look at what's happening to our world in terms of rebellion against God.

40:02 Certainly, certainly a possibility. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm some Prophet that knows that God sent this as a judgment. People that are saying that God sent him sent this as a judgment or I think somebody calls some prophets of the of the thirteen hour right, people who prophesy after the fact. I know God was going to send this. I just didn't tell anybody. Yeah, all right, yeah, right. But it is possible they God sent this as a judgment. You see that as a biblical precedence. Possible, possible that the devil is involved. I think there's it's not just possible, it's absolutely true. Certainly the Lord can use the the devil to bring about his purposes, although I don't think the devil and God work together in tandem.

40:45 Certainly got as much wiser than the devil and can use the devil anyway. That's kind of a rabbit trail. The point is the devil certainly in this covid thing, you see all of the fear, all of the confusion, all of the selfishness, and even that's involved. It's like man, they will certainly involved in this in some measure and then just be a natural phenomenon. Right, that's that's a possibility. Either way. We have to view things from a biblical perspective that the Lord is in charge, God is in control. Yeah, is that mean he's controlling every time someone gets sickness from this covid disease and dies. I don't God's not putting covid diseases in people, but there is this principle of sin that's at work in the world because of the fall, right, and it's one of the reasons why we're talking about this podcast. Are there things there? There means that God has given us, practically as human beings, to kind of at least hold off some of the results of the fall when we do other medical interventions to push back diseases and things that are result of the fall? Is a vaccine now taking a vaccine? Is that something that is also you could be used to that end? So they're just some of the thoughts that I have. As far as looking at it from a spiritual, spiritual perspective, one of the thoughts that I had, I'd love to hear your your your thoughts about this, is that we we certainly can't control the fact that Covid is out there, we can control our response. There has been so much disunity and hate

42:17 over different people's responses, both to Covid, to the vaccine, to the measures the politics behind it. So much and that, to me, is heartbreaking. Yeah, that are we behaving the way God would have us behave in response to this horror? Yeah, that is that is upon us. Maybe it's not a horror, a lot of people say it's not, that it's overinflated whatever. Yeah, but to hate others based on how they respond or to belittle others based on what they choose to do with the information, I think that that grieves the heart of God. Yeah, absolutely so.

43:06 I think that that's kind of that's one of the things that I thought about a lot as I was going through this research. I was thinking a good case could be made for taking these vaccines and feeling that is morally acceptable, and a good case could be made for refusing to yeah, but I don't think that are standing before God should be questioned in either case. Yeah, and that's a that's a really good point, and Paul addresses this and the book of Romans he talks about US considering the weaker brother and he talks about it in particular as it concerns eating meat or not eating meat. Eating meat that sacrifice to idols, or not eating meat because it could be sacrificed to idols, and we should consider our weaker brother and it kind of goes both ways. We need to consider that other believers might not hold the same convictions we do, as long as those convictions can be sustained from scripture. Right.

44:07 You know, we're not talking about people who want to go out and just intentionally murder children, yeah, to create vaccines. Those people aren't Christians. Yeah, but we are talking about a scenario in which there have been some babies that have been aboarded, whose fetal sales have been used to produce vaccines, and some Christians are thinking, well, that was a horrible act or not. We're not trying to justify that act, but there is a redemptive thing to come out of this and therefore I'm okay with taking a vaccine. I'm okay with given my children vaccines and that sort of thing. Yeah, again, not getting into the other issues. Right, is talking about it from a moral perspective. Right. We need to consider each other and we need to be understanding and seek unity in as much as we can Yemen.

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