Are Vaccines Pro-Life?

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.759I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.470Lord, I am Your Welcome tothe Gospel Center pro life podcast.300:00:10.589 --> 00:00:14.310In this episode we're going to talkabout vaccines. Is it pro life to400:00:14.390 --> 00:00:19.309take vaccines? Or aborted fetal cellsreally used in vaccines? Stay with us.500:00:19.710 --> 00:00:29.059Send Me, Lord. I feltshow passish, touch your heart.600:00:31.500 --> 00:00:38.689Use me well. Welcome to theGospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you700:00:38.810 --> 00:00:43.450guys tuning in. Appreciate you guyslistening. Appreciate you guys sharing this podcast.800:00:43.609 --> 00:00:46.090We hope that these episodes have beena blessing. We hope that this900:00:46.170 --> 00:00:50.119episode will be a blessing to youguys as well, and we encourage you,1000:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.520guys, as it just sh justsaid, to share this podcast with1100:00:53.679 --> 00:00:57.000your friends, with your family,with people that you love, people that1200:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.759you hate. Well, if you'reChristian, you shouldn't hate anybody. Actually,1300:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.159you should love everyone. People doyou don't like so much. Share1400:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.310it with them. I think it'llbe a blessing in this one might actually1500:01:07.349 --> 00:01:11.109help stir up some controversy in yourlife. Yeah, and make people not1600:01:11.230 --> 00:01:14.829like you so much, or maybelike you better. I don't know.1700:01:15.790 --> 00:01:19.340So keep quiet there. They're importantthings. I think it's very important things1800:01:19.379 --> 00:01:23.819to share. I think it's important. I think it's a little bit difficult1900:01:23.859 --> 00:01:26.980to sort through, though. Hopefullywe're going to sort through this together,2000:01:26.180 --> 00:01:30.340guys. Yeah, what we're goingto be talking about? We're talking about2100:01:30.379 --> 00:01:38.170the bio ethics of vaccine. Theit is it? The call, yeah,2200:01:38.450 --> 00:01:45.409to use vaccines that have been derivedthrough the use of aboarded fetal cell2300:01:45.609 --> 00:01:51.879yeah, and that's why. Thatpoint there is why we're doing this episode.2400:01:51.879 --> 00:01:56.079It's right. Yeah, we're notexperts. I'm not a medical expert,2500:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.239I'm not an expert on vaccines.I am not an anti Vaxxer,2600:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.230I'm not a pro vaxer either.I'm kind of somewhere in between. Just2700:02:05.390 --> 00:02:07.709so that you guys know where I'mcoming from. Where you? Where do2800:02:07.709 --> 00:02:10.870you staying on that whole thing?Um, I don't think I I'm knowledgeable2900:02:10.949 --> 00:02:15.780enough. In general, I'm probablywhere you are. I think vaccines have3000:02:15.979 --> 00:02:22.259clearly done great service to to humanity. I do think there's too many vaccines3100:02:22.460 --> 00:02:25.539now and and I do question thesafety of some vaccines, for sure,3200:02:25.780 --> 00:02:30.250including I I have some concerns aboutthis new vaccine, the new covid vaccine.3300:02:30.409 --> 00:02:35.289Yeah, so in general, Ithink I'm probably kind of somewhere in3400:02:35.330 --> 00:02:38.969the middle. Yeah, and so, okay, that being the case,3500:02:38.169 --> 00:02:42.530why in the world would we,as a gospel center pro life podcast,3600:02:43.250 --> 00:02:46.599even care about the issue of vaccines? Wow, wow, why would we3700:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.080cover this? Yeah, and thereare some very important at the call and3800:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.759pro life issues surrounding vaccines. Thereis no doubt, and many people don't3900:02:54.759 --> 00:03:05.469know this, but most vaccines havebeen developed through the use of aborded fetal4000:03:06.110 --> 00:03:13.939cell lines that were from mostly toaborted babies. In the S and I4100:03:14.020 --> 00:03:17.180think there was one kidneys cells fromone aboarded in the eight I think eighty4200:03:17.259 --> 00:03:22.259five. Yeah, and there is, there is a lot of use of4300:03:22.340 --> 00:03:29.250aborded fetal cells in research and inthe pharmaceutical industry currently. Yeah, I4400:03:29.289 --> 00:03:32.449mean they're they're that's why there wasthat big scandal with plan parenthood. So4500:03:34.210 --> 00:03:38.009that is a plant parenthood selling babyparts, correct and all correct. So4600:03:38.169 --> 00:03:43.199that is that. It is clearlya pro life issue and of deep concern4700:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.319to to many people that that weare pro life and we don't want to4800:03:47.360 --> 00:03:55.189do anything that might be tainted withthe use of aborted fetal cells for for4900:03:55.590 --> 00:04:00.189any purpose. Yeah, well,I mean if they're killing babies to make5000:04:00.229 --> 00:04:03.789vaccines, then that's an issue,right, and it's going to get abortion5100:04:03.830 --> 00:04:06.669will never end. If you startthere, all of a sudden abortion becomes5200:04:06.710 --> 00:04:12.180a money maker, not only tothe doctors doing the abortion in the industries,5300:04:12.300 --> 00:04:16.019but also for science and research.Yes, so it's a big issue.5400:04:16.060 --> 00:04:19.019It's important issue. Yeah, absolutely, and I do want to cover5500:04:19.180 --> 00:04:23.860real quick some of the things thatwere not going to talk about. Right,5600:04:24.180 --> 00:04:29.689okay, we're not going to talkabout how vaccines could potentially cause autism5700:04:29.689 --> 00:04:31.569or not. Right, we're notgoing to talk about that. We're not5800:04:31.649 --> 00:04:36.569going to talk about how effective vaccinesare. However, I will say that5900:04:36.889 --> 00:04:44.199to deny that vaccines have had apositive effect, and my mind shoot me,6000:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.279but in my mind your denying reality. Like vaccines have had a positive6100:04:48.800 --> 00:04:54.709impact. Yeah, at least ineverything that I've read, unless your total6200:04:55.230 --> 00:05:00.430conspiracy theorist or something, which I'mnot, vaccines have had at least a6300:05:00.629 --> 00:05:03.629some kind of positive impact. Again, we're not going to get into that,6400:05:03.870 --> 00:05:09.100though, now. So we're notgonna this is safety effects. Yet6500:05:09.379 --> 00:05:12.939we're not. We're not going toget into into that either. You're going6600:05:12.939 --> 00:05:15.699to have to research all of thaton yourself. We do put some of6700:05:15.740 --> 00:05:19.019it in an article? Sure thatthat we these kind of other points?6800:05:19.060 --> 00:05:24.089Yeah, in an article that willbe linked to this podcast. Yeah,6900:05:24.129 --> 00:05:30.089but that's not we're dealing with thethe ethics of mostly the covid that don't7000:05:30.129 --> 00:05:34.839covid vaccines. Are they ethical fora pro life person? Yeah, to7100:05:35.079 --> 00:05:40.399take an even other vaccines, arethey ethical from a pro life? Yeah,7200:05:40.639 --> 00:05:45.319point. And so just again,so you guess understand the fact that7300:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.079we're not talking about those other thingsdoesn't mean those other things don't matter,7400:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.149right, or that we don't havean opinion about those other things. Actually,7500:05:51.149 --> 00:05:55.949I don't have much knowledge about thewhole autism thing and all of that,7600:05:56.310 --> 00:06:00.149but I'm not discounting that. I'mnot discounting that as a concern or7700:06:00.149 --> 00:06:03.939any of the other concerns. It'sjust not what we're going to be talking7800:06:03.939 --> 00:06:06.540about. So they don't take becausewe're not touching on those things, that7900:06:06.699 --> 00:06:10.459we don't care about those or theydon't matter. They do matter, it's8000:06:10.500 --> 00:06:13.100just not what we're touching on here. So let's jump into what we actually8100:06:13.139 --> 00:06:16.220are touching on. Yeah, okay, so if ax, if vaccines are8200:06:16.259 --> 00:06:24.769indeed created or produced using aborted fetalcells, we clearly would have a moral8300:06:24.810 --> 00:06:31.850obligation to not use those vaccines.So if they are being developed with the8400:06:32.120 --> 00:06:40.759ongoing harvesting of aborted fetal cells,there's no doubt. There is no doubt8500:06:40.800 --> 00:06:45.519that we should not be using thosevaccines or whatever products are may absolutely from8600:06:45.720 --> 00:06:48.910from an ongoing process of using aboardedfetal cells to develop them. Yeah,8700:06:49.550 --> 00:06:55.269but with the question gets gray,and this is what actually is happening,8800:06:55.990 --> 00:07:02.660is there are fetal cell lines,not the actual fetal cells, but fetal8900:07:02.779 --> 00:07:09.779cells from aborted babies decades ago.Yeah, that then have been cultured and9000:07:10.540 --> 00:07:19.089those cell lines have been used indeveloping vaccines and sometimes in testing vaccines.9100:07:19.129 --> 00:07:27.129Okay, and that's where prolife andall Christians, although those who believe in9200:07:27.290 --> 00:07:30.319love the Lord, Wrestle with isit at the cual for me, yeah,9300:07:30.519 --> 00:07:35.160to use those vaccines. So you'resaying that just so people who are9400:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.480listening, who were tuning in,understand what we're talking about. There were9500:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.199babies that were aborted back in andI've got her in down here, nineteen9600:07:45.509 --> 00:07:47.790ninety or one thousand nineteen sixty sixand one thousand nine hundred and sixty two9700:07:47.829 --> 00:07:50.430or two of the fetal cell lines. So there are babies that were aboarded9800:07:50.550 --> 00:07:56.589then, right, that were notaborted just for the sake of using their9900:07:56.629 --> 00:08:00.220cells, but they were aborted andthen their cells were used after the fact.10000:08:00.379 --> 00:08:03.540So correct. The intention was,at least from all the information that's10100:08:03.579 --> 00:08:05.540been gathered that we can tell,the intention was not to kill them in10200:08:05.620 --> 00:08:09.860order to use them to make vaccines. But those cells were available, so10300:08:09.980 --> 00:08:15.250they use those cells because there werethe most, I don't know, usable10400:08:15.370 --> 00:08:20.529cells for this particular purpose. Andthose cells themselves, the original cells,10500:08:20.569 --> 00:08:24.810are no longer alive, right,right, but they've been cultured. So10600:08:26.009 --> 00:08:30.959cells have formed from cells, fromcells, from cells ultimately, and those10700:08:31.040 --> 00:08:35.600cell lines, or what it's currentlybeing used in some of the production of10800:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.159some of the vaccines, right,right. And the cells, just so10900:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.389we're clear again, we're even ifthere were cell lines, and there are,11000:08:43.429 --> 00:08:48.710actually those cells are not actually what'sin the vaccine, but the vaccines11100:08:48.750 --> 00:08:54.070are actually grown on or cultured onthe cells of that correct, that that's11200:08:54.940 --> 00:09:00.220when they're being used. How producedthe vaccines or they're using those cell lines11300:09:00.299 --> 00:09:03.700to actually test whether the vaccine iseffective. Okay. So, anyway about11400:09:03.700 --> 00:09:09.139it, it's not like there's abortedfetal cells are being injected into us.11500:09:09.179 --> 00:09:13.250Yeah, it's not happening and Ithink there is that misconception. Yeah,11600:09:13.289 --> 00:09:16.889and you'll see that on facebook.I've heard that with one of the the11700:09:16.129 --> 00:09:22.210pro abortion people who, right wasout kind of ragging me about being out11800:09:22.330 --> 00:09:26.279and having a group of people outthere because of Covid and I was just11900:09:26.399 --> 00:09:30.039messing around and I said I'm okay, I don't have to worry about covid12000:09:30.080 --> 00:09:31.440because I got the trump vaccine.So so I'm good to go. And12100:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.279she was like, you got avaccine that uses aborted fetal cells. You12200:09:35.559 --> 00:09:39.149have aborted fetal cells in your bodyor a boarded fetuses in your body or12300:09:39.190 --> 00:09:43.309whatever is even this pro abortion person, yeah, knew about this and try12400:09:43.350 --> 00:09:46.990to use it against me. Yeah, and so, yeah, there's a12500:09:46.029 --> 00:09:50.789lot of information. Even she thoughtthat aborted fetus is now. She wouldn't12600:09:50.789 --> 00:09:54.299care, right. Yeah, butthey thought them. They're telling us on12700:09:54.460 --> 00:09:56.220her. Yeah. Yeah, youheard some of our reviews, if you've12800:09:56.460 --> 00:10:00.379read some of our reviews on ourpodcast, are talking about yummy fetuses.12900:10:00.460 --> 00:10:01.980So yeah, I mean they couldcare less. But she was trying to13000:10:03.019 --> 00:10:05.899use that against me. The pointis that even pro abortion people have this13100:10:07.019 --> 00:10:11.690misconception that aborted fetuses are being ejectedin people's bodies for the sake of vaccinating13200:10:11.730 --> 00:10:18.490them from from diseases. And additionally, they are aware that this should be13300:10:18.490 --> 00:10:24.120of some concern to pro lifers.Yeah, and so if they're aware and13400:10:24.159 --> 00:10:33.320they think that these people that areadvocating for life of the unborn are using13500:10:33.480 --> 00:10:39.269aborted fetal cells for their benefit,it makes them look like us, look13600:10:39.309 --> 00:10:43.309like hypocrites, and so it's importantfor us to be able to discern are13700:10:43.389 --> 00:10:48.110we are we being hypocritical? Ifwe have vaccines? What are the ethics13800:10:48.149 --> 00:10:52.379around it? And that's we're hopingto discuss that. Yeah, in in13900:10:52.740 --> 00:10:58.059in this in this podcast. SoI read through a whole bunch of articles14000:10:58.340 --> 00:11:03.980to try and understand this as bestthat I could, and one of the14100:11:03.220 --> 00:11:09.970really good articles, the author wasKyle McKenna and the title is aborded fetal14200:11:09.049 --> 00:11:16.769tissue in vaccines and medical research obscuresthe value of all human life. So14300:11:16.809 --> 00:11:18.679when we've got this link, andwill link this with the podcast so that14400:11:18.759 --> 00:11:24.399you can go through and and readit in itself yourself. But the the14500:11:24.879 --> 00:11:30.159author of the article says that.Here's his question. Can we in good14600:11:30.279 --> 00:11:35.870conscience support any intervention that is developedthrough any relationship to the brutal crime of14700:11:35.909 --> 00:11:39.429abortion? If, if aborted babiesare used in any part of the vaccine14800:11:39.470 --> 00:11:43.990process, directly or from long ago, is it ethical for us to use14900:11:43.149 --> 00:11:48.940that vaccine? That's the basic questionthat this article raises. And here's his15000:11:48.580 --> 00:11:54.899concern, and I'm just going toquote this presents a contradiction in the attitude15100:11:54.940 --> 00:11:58.820of the researcher, who says thathe does not approve of the injustice abortion15200:11:58.899 --> 00:12:05.409perpetrated by others but at the sametime excepts for zone work the biological material,15300:12:05.889 --> 00:12:11.769so the aborted fetal cells which theothers have obtained by means of that15400:12:11.970 --> 00:12:18.879injustice. Yeah, so it's settingup a contradiction in his mind. He15500:12:18.039 --> 00:12:24.759knows abortions evil, but he's usingit for good. And how does how15600:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.320does he reconcile that? Yes,it's almost like the riot of this article15700:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.149is saying your hypocrite if you,as a researcher, say that abortion is15800:12:33.309 --> 00:12:37.110wrong, right, and yet you'reaccepting the material, E. aborted fetal15900:12:37.149 --> 00:12:43.190tissue. That would be using thatresearch right. Your hypocrite. And Yeah,16000:12:43.230 --> 00:12:46.379that's again, that's the main concernand that's why we're doing this podcast.16100:12:46.500 --> 00:12:50.779Are Pro lifers hypocrites that exact allowtheir children to have vaccines or that16200:12:50.820 --> 00:12:54.820are going to take the COVID vaccine? Or Yeah, we're being hypocritical.16300:12:54.139 --> 00:12:58.450And so also, I want tojust make you guys aware that, again,16400:12:58.490 --> 00:13:03.769we're not medical experts, were notbioethical experts. We're just thinking these16500:13:03.809 --> 00:13:07.049things through from a practical perspective,from a Biblical perspective, and I don't16600:13:07.049 --> 00:13:11.450know at the end of this podcastif you're going to have I mean,16700:13:11.610 --> 00:13:13.960you'll have solid information, but ifyou're going to be able to say,16800:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.879at the end of this podcast,I'm definitely not doing vaccines, definitely not16900:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.960doing covid vaccines. Are I definitelyam a definite we're just giving you some17000:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.879stuff to think about, some stuffto worry about. Sort and he only17100:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.549do understand the you'll know this exists, that this issue even exists. When17200:13:28.590 --> 00:13:33.389I went to my doctor when I, for I first found out about aboarded17300:13:33.470 --> 00:13:37.269fetal cell lines in vaccines not thatlong ago, a few years ago,17400:13:37.429 --> 00:13:41.100and I asked my doctor, whowant to give me some vaccine whether that17500:13:41.299 --> 00:13:46.740vaccine was made with aboarded fetal celllines, and she didn't even know that17600:13:46.820 --> 00:13:50.860that was a thing. She didn'tknow anything about it and she had to17700:13:50.899 --> 00:13:54.299go look that up. So Ithink we need to be educated about this,17800:13:54.740 --> 00:13:58.169this issue, so that that's ourconcern. So the author of that17900:13:58.370 --> 00:14:05.529article that I just cited said thatthe the the big concern is that any18000:14:07.009 --> 00:14:13.120scientific advance from the use of fetaltissue from elective abortions desensitizes the people who18100:14:13.519 --> 00:14:18.480benefit from it, the scientist andthe doctors, to the original evil act18200:14:18.919 --> 00:14:30.590that produced those cells. And ultimately, could that desensitization lead to validating elective18300:14:30.629 --> 00:14:35.110abortions for a greater good? Thatslippery slope of it was okay to use18400:14:35.149 --> 00:14:39.899those cell lines. Look at allthe good that came of it. Well,18500:14:39.940 --> 00:14:45.259let's keep aboarding babies and using thetheir cells are perfect for for this18600:14:46.220 --> 00:14:52.889thing that, for developing vaccines orwhatever medical advances. So they conclude,18700:14:54.009 --> 00:14:58.330all people of good conscience have theresponsibility to voice opposition to the use of18800:14:58.370 --> 00:15:05.970fetal tissue from elective abortions in orderto promote the development of alternatives, affirm18900:15:07.009 --> 00:15:09.960the value of human life and limitscandal. Yeah, so they're saying,19000:15:11.000 --> 00:15:18.080unless you oppose the use of fetalcell lines, aborted fetal cell lines,19100:15:18.159 --> 00:15:22.509being used in vaccines, will thereever, will there be any reason for19200:15:22.909 --> 00:15:31.429scientists and researchers to try to findan alternative that is ethically fine? Okay,19300:15:31.750 --> 00:15:35.059without about question at all. Yeah, fetal cells, and these authors19400:15:35.139 --> 00:15:41.220conclude maybe not. Yeah. Soso that's the first point of view,19500:15:41.379 --> 00:15:45.179okay, that they're there. Clearlyare vaccines that we are going to go19600:15:45.220 --> 00:15:48.580into more depth about what vaccines actuallyuse aborted fetal cell lines in which ones19700:15:48.659 --> 00:15:52.250don't? There are some that don't. Cry Few actually that don't. But19800:15:52.370 --> 00:15:58.490then there's another point of view,and and an organization that I think presented19900:15:58.529 --> 00:16:03.529that as well as any I've read, is creation ministries. Okay, I20000:16:03.649 --> 00:16:08.679believe it's Creationcom. Yeah, isis their website. They argue the opposite20100:16:08.720 --> 00:16:14.200point of view. So in inthat article, and we're going to list20200:16:14.279 --> 00:16:18.309that article also, the author statesthat it's it's important to understand that.20300:16:18.590 --> 00:16:22.950First of all, there are misconceptions, which we already talked about, yeah,20400:16:22.990 --> 00:16:26.549about the it's not aborted baby partsare not being, you know,20500:16:26.710 --> 00:16:30.669injected into your body. So youdon't have to worry about that and no20600:16:30.830 --> 00:16:37.500more babies today are being used,are being aborted and used to make current20700:16:37.659 --> 00:16:41.220cell lines for use in the vaccine. They say, though, as you20800:16:41.379 --> 00:16:49.409said, unequivocally, vaccines have beenproven to help humanity in so many terrible20900:16:49.889 --> 00:16:55.129diseases from the past, polio,yeah, being one of the main ones21000:16:55.370 --> 00:17:00.090mentioned. So they make the pointthat the greater good of using vaccines,21100:17:00.919 --> 00:17:07.279even those developed from the aborted fetalcell lines, makes it okay for a21200:17:07.759 --> 00:17:17.390Christian to use those vaccines because itthe the good benefit is so far removed21300:17:17.869 --> 00:17:22.829from the original evil act. Yeah, so they're not that's discounting that abortion21400:17:22.950 --> 00:17:26.069is an evil act. They arenot. They're not discounting the fact that21500:17:26.190 --> 00:17:33.019aborted fetal cell lines are used toproduce vaccines and the test vaccines. And21600:17:33.099 --> 00:17:36.579they're just saying, though, thatthe good outwaghs the bad, right,21700:17:36.660 --> 00:17:41.220and that's kind of the question,you know, if the good outweighs the21800:17:41.339 --> 00:17:45.410bad. And if that's the case, then still there's bad, right?21900:17:45.450 --> 00:17:49.650Yeah, there's they're still bad inthis in the scenario. Can we,22000:17:49.730 --> 00:17:53.690as Christians, compromise? I meanthat's really the question. Can we compromise22100:17:55.089 --> 00:17:57.130because the good always the bad.Right, in order to read the good22200:17:57.210 --> 00:18:03.880benefit, they give an example ofan original evil leading to a greater good22300:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.400to help us understand their point.And they use the example of a drunk22400:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.589driver who, he drinks, getsdrunk, gets behind the wheel of a22500:18:12.710 --> 00:18:18.069car and then is killed in theaccident. Okay, and he happens to22600:18:18.109 --> 00:18:22.349be an organ doner, so hisorgans are harvested and used, maybe to22700:18:22.430 --> 00:18:32.019save many other lives. The originalevil act drive in while drunk. That's22800:18:32.019 --> 00:18:34.500evil and and it ended in hisdeath, maybe even took the lives of22900:18:34.579 --> 00:18:38.900other people. Yeah, as hecrashed his car, but there was a23000:18:40.180 --> 00:18:44.410good that came of that evil,harvesting his organs, and there were many23100:18:44.529 --> 00:18:51.490people that benefited. Should we nothave used his organs for that greater good23200:18:52.369 --> 00:18:57.839just because the act that allowed thoseorgans to be available was evil? I'm23300:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.400my opinion. I think we're okayto use those organize. He was an23400:19:03.440 --> 00:19:07.519organ Downer, right, so hegave his consent. He gave his consent.23500:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.150Yeah, of course. The questionis or it's not even a question.23600:19:11.670 --> 00:19:15.150The reality is that baby that waskilled, even if, even though23700:19:15.190 --> 00:19:18.470it was nineteen sixty six or nineteensixty two was a long time ago.23800:19:18.630 --> 00:19:22.950Still, that baby did not giveconsent. Right. Quite possibly that Mother23900:19:23.660 --> 00:19:26.660didn't give consense, and even ifshe did, that wouldn't matter because we're24000:19:26.660 --> 00:19:30.539talking about a separate life. Yeah, so the scenario is a bit different.24100:19:30.579 --> 00:19:34.819Yeah, it is. Plus yougo to the the original consent of24200:19:36.740 --> 00:19:41.170did the baby ever give consent tobeing aborted? You know, and probably24300:19:41.210 --> 00:19:45.930would not have if the baby couldhave spoken. Yeah, so they talked24400:19:45.930 --> 00:19:51.490about in that. I'll just saythe the point is understood. Nonetheless,24500:19:52.170 --> 00:19:55.400there's evil acts that are committed.I mean you could kind of even tweak24600:19:55.480 --> 00:20:00.640the story a bit in like whatyou mentioned. Let's say this drunk driver24700:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.799did kill somebody and there was somebodyin the other car. Yeah, that24800:20:04.079 --> 00:20:10.470was an organ Downer and those organswere donated in that family. Let's say24900:20:10.509 --> 00:20:15.670the surviving family members wanted to donatethose organs and they were used for whatever25000:20:15.750 --> 00:20:21.230good. Maybe they they were usedto cultivate cells that would ultimately be used25100:20:21.269 --> 00:20:23.140to make vaccines. I don't,don't. I wouldn't have a problem with25200:20:23.299 --> 00:20:27.259that really. Yeah, it wouldn'tbe much of a moral dilemma there.25300:20:29.859 --> 00:20:34.140The issue comes, though, ifwe're intentionally getting people drunk and getting them25400:20:34.220 --> 00:20:38.450direct and kill other people so thatwe can harvest the organs for other things.25500:20:38.529 --> 00:20:41.130The issue is, and I thinkthe main dilemma for us should be,25600:20:41.809 --> 00:20:47.809is our babies intentionally being aborted sothat we can use them as a25700:20:47.890 --> 00:20:52.680society in vaccinations and other things?And from what I understand, that's not25800:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.799happening. These people sell love beingdeveloped there. That's how why they're being25900:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.799aborted. They certainly are, though. We know that this is happening because26000:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.430of what David de Leyden showed uswith the plan parenthood. We do know26100:21:04.630 --> 00:21:10.349that aborted baby parts are being soldfor profit. They're not supposed to be,26200:21:10.470 --> 00:21:15.349but they are. Yeah, inorder to for scientific research pharmaceutical uses.26300:21:15.589 --> 00:21:21.460Yeah, but you know the factthat the aborted fetal cell lines that26400:21:21.539 --> 00:21:26.700are being used even now are fromthe s at least tells me that there's26500:21:26.740 --> 00:21:32.740not this ongoing. They're intentionally killingchildren in the womb in order to use26600:21:32.819 --> 00:21:37.089them to make vaccines. Right,they're using these fetal cell lines and,26700:21:37.849 --> 00:21:41.049matter of fact, just talked realquick because you had a conversation with Dr26800:21:41.089 --> 00:21:45.930Matt who's a local position. Yeah, Talk Real quick about why they would26900:21:45.930 --> 00:21:48.720even continue to use these, becausethe question in my mind could be why27000:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.599not use fetal cells from a babythat was a result of miscarriage and a27100:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.920Mother did give consent? She wanderedthat that tragedy of losing her child,27200:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.150yeah, to be redemptive, andso she offers her her baby's body,27300:22:02.190 --> 00:22:04.509as people do, to science andto be able to, you know,27400:22:06.710 --> 00:22:11.630conduct research and ultimately come up witha vaccine. Why don't they do that?27500:22:11.029 --> 00:22:14.990WHY FETAL SET? Why these fetalcell lines? Yeah, and and27600:22:15.109 --> 00:22:19.460I specifically asked Dr Matt Harrison.He's he's a friend of the ministry and27700:22:19.859 --> 00:22:26.740the doctor who actually pioneered the abortionpill reversal procedure and protocol. So I27800:22:27.220 --> 00:22:32.250asked him that question. Since weknow that there are people willing to offer27900:22:32.329 --> 00:22:37.210miscarried babies organ cells for research,why are aborted baby cell lines used at28000:22:37.210 --> 00:22:40.930all? Why and why not switchover to what we know is morally ethical?28100:22:41.130 --> 00:22:45.839It's okay from a Pro Life Stoor Christian standpoint, and he said28200:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.559the lines were established many years agoand have remained viable. So I don't28300:22:49.599 --> 00:22:55.359think they've bothered to develop more withmiscarried babies. Also I'm unsure about newer28400:22:55.400 --> 00:23:00.190lines of cells because in medical terms, and abortionist is either spontaneous miscarriage or28500:23:00.349 --> 00:23:06.390induced, which is in termination throughthe the abortionist. We call it abortion.28600:23:06.910 --> 00:23:11.430So for all I know, newerlines may have used miscarried fetuses,28700:23:11.980 --> 00:23:18.059but I doubt it because of thecontrolled situation offered and induced abortions. So28800:23:18.220 --> 00:23:22.700basically, they've got these lines,there's still viable and and so go ahead28900:23:22.700 --> 00:23:27.210and use them. They've they've donewhat they were supposed to do over all29000:23:27.289 --> 00:23:33.130these decades, so they're continuing touse them. Yeah, and then I29100:23:33.329 --> 00:23:36.769thanked him and said it just seemsif there was a greater push for completely29200:23:36.890 --> 00:23:40.769ethical vaccines that would be an option, that you would just get rid of29300:23:40.809 --> 00:23:45.279these abort its fetal cell lines thatare better course, proversy and questionable,29400:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.440and he agreed with me. He'she said, a so. So,29500:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.839in other words, that's going backto the rite, the original point of29600:23:52.880 --> 00:23:59.589view, which is, unless youoppose the morally questionable vaccines, is there29700:23:59.670 --> 00:24:03.910ever going to be a push formorally ethical vaccines? And maybe not.29800:24:04.309 --> 00:24:10.819Yeah, so there's a the articletalked about something called the principle of double29900:24:10.859 --> 00:24:15.740effect and that's if a contemplated actionhas both good and bad effects, then30000:24:15.779 --> 00:24:19.140it's permissible only if it is notwrong in itself, and it does not30100:24:19.339 --> 00:24:26.369require that one directly intend the badresult. So what what that means is30200:24:26.569 --> 00:24:32.369by producing the vaccine using the availablecell lines derived from the aborted baby decades30300:24:32.450 --> 00:24:37.759ago. The researcher did not intendthe abortion, nor have any direct responsibility30400:24:38.160 --> 00:24:44.799for the abortion, but a significantgood came from that original evil, and30500:24:44.960 --> 00:24:51.000and the principle of double effects asthat, even though that evil. There30600:24:51.279 --> 00:24:56.230was evil, but there was goodthat came of it, and so you30700:24:56.430 --> 00:25:03.069can ethically avail yourself of the good. That's basically what that saying. Okay.30800:25:03.589 --> 00:25:07.779So they also make several summary pointson vaccines. Vaccines do more good30900:25:07.779 --> 00:25:11.059than harm. According and this is, by the way, a scientific organization.31000:25:11.220 --> 00:25:14.619They do research, they have theyhave good studying, from what I31100:25:14.819 --> 00:25:19.380feel just looking on their websites,creation dot calm or do creationcom. Okay,31200:25:19.700 --> 00:25:23.049is just looking on their website.Every time I look at any kind31300:25:23.089 --> 00:25:29.369of Christianese sort of website I'm alwayslooking at their statement of faith. Look31400:25:29.490 --> 00:25:33.609solid to me. Yeah, looksto be a solid Christian resource and and31500:25:34.450 --> 00:25:38.079so they're scientific and they're serious aboutthe Bible. Is Serious about the word31600:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.799of God and maybe you guys knowdifferently than I do. Maybe you've done31700:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.240it a little deeper into this organization. There's some some questions that you guys31800:25:47.279 --> 00:25:52.430have. I didn't have any realquestions about. Yeah, they're seriousness about31900:25:52.430 --> 00:25:56.390the Bible and what the honor God. So these are people that Doug with32000:25:56.470 --> 00:26:00.150a biblical dug into the information witha biblical world view. So we have32100:26:00.269 --> 00:26:03.500they do know what we're talking someweight on that. They they are science32200:26:03.579 --> 00:26:08.619scientists that they've, you know,and research it that they have carefully gone32300:26:08.660 --> 00:26:12.980through. So there's some very pointson the vaccines, that the vaccines do32400:26:14.099 --> 00:26:18.970more good than harm, that theydo counteract the effects of diseases we encounter32500:26:18.049 --> 00:26:22.450as a result of the fall thatvaccines I thought this was an interesting point.32600:26:22.450 --> 00:26:26.569They train our immune system to bewhat God designed it to be.32700:26:26.930 --> 00:26:32.329Yeah, so because of the fall, our immune systems are not fighting the32800:26:32.410 --> 00:26:37.240way that they should and and thevaccines just kind of give a boost to32900:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.400our immune system to do what butGod wants it to do. They claim33000:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.680that any toxic elements in the vaccinesor either many times lower than a toxic33100:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.069dose or occur naturally in the bodyin greater amounts than in vaccines. We're33200:26:49.109 --> 00:26:52.710not here to argue that. That'sjust what the CREATIONCOM says. Yeah,33300:26:53.109 --> 00:27:00.910and we can still trust God anduse the medical advances of people God has33400:27:00.109 --> 00:27:06.099bled been or God has blessed toproduce those medical advances. I think that's33500:27:06.099 --> 00:27:08.460a really important point. Yeah,that's a massively important point, because there's33600:27:08.500 --> 00:27:11.819a mentality out there that, youknow, we should just trust God,33700:27:12.579 --> 00:27:19.809we should just go about and noteven be concerned with whatever other medical things33800:27:19.890 --> 00:27:23.890could be going on. I don'tthink that's a biblical mentality. You do33900:27:25.089 --> 00:27:29.369hear that a lot about covid justtrust God. And and what's even worse,34000:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.519if you don't trust God, ifyou're going to like wear a mask,34100:27:36.400 --> 00:27:41.200you must not be trusting God.Or if if you, if you,34200:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.869if you're thinking social distancing is isnot a good idea, it's because34300:27:47.029 --> 00:27:51.430you don't trust God. And whilesocial distancing or mass I'm not here to34400:27:51.470 --> 00:27:55.750argue either those, but what I'msaying is the idea that if you do34500:27:56.710 --> 00:28:02.019in any way a precaution or amedical suggestion, that somehow you're no longer34600:28:02.140 --> 00:28:07.259trusting God. I find that somewhatoffensive. Yeah, plus, it's kind34700:28:07.259 --> 00:28:08.980of kind of dumb, to behonest with you. I mean, you34800:28:10.059 --> 00:28:12.569fall down, you break your arm. I mean you imagine that, you're34900:28:12.609 --> 00:28:17.369walking, you stumble and trip onthe curb. Yeah, you break your35000:28:17.450 --> 00:28:19.690arm and I come up to youand say you're not going to the hospital,35100:28:19.730 --> 00:28:23.049are you? You should just trustGod. What are you going to35200:28:23.089 --> 00:28:26.490say to me? Yeah, he'llheal you. If he doesn't, it's35300:28:26.569 --> 00:28:30.440his will. Free to have aterribly crooked arm or something like that.35400:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.599That's that's ridiculous. Same people thatwould say that would use a band aid35500:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.480right with Papa Tile and all whenthey get a headache. I'm not I'm35600:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.109not faulting them for that right.God has given us just practical means to35700:28:41.230 --> 00:28:45.069take care of things, and ifvaccines are one of those things, and35800:28:45.150 --> 00:28:48.029I think in some measure they are, there are practical means. God has35900:28:48.069 --> 00:28:52.269given this wisdom to men to beable to impart to other people, to36000:28:52.430 --> 00:28:56.819use this for good. To justsay we should trust God and not use36100:28:56.859 --> 00:29:00.779vaccines is to break your arm.Just say you should trust God and not36200:29:00.859 --> 00:29:06.539go get a cast. Right,exactly. Exactly so. So don't use36300:29:06.619 --> 00:29:10.690that line on people because it canreally be not good. Okay, so36400:29:11.289 --> 00:29:18.009use morally acceptable vaccines if available.CREATIONCOM does agree that if there are morally36500:29:18.049 --> 00:29:22.650acceptable vaccines that don't have these questionablefetal cell lines in them, then use36600:29:22.690 --> 00:29:29.759them, use the morally acceptable wants. But if not, vaccines derived from36700:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.759the evil of abortion of two babiesforty years ago, they believe, are36800:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.319still morally permissible for Christians. Yeah, and so if that's kind of your36900:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.109bent, I think it's a goodidea to read through what they said,37000:29:41.150 --> 00:29:44.670because they do, I think,really support what why they came to that37100:29:44.789 --> 00:29:47.910conclar yeah, I don't want tomention something, though, because it's mentioned37200:29:47.950 --> 00:29:52.190here and we've already touched on it. So I don't want people to misunderstand37300:29:52.190 --> 00:29:55.220that. We're saying these babies werekilled back in the S and therefore it37400:29:55.339 --> 00:29:57.299makes it not a big deal orthat there was only two or that there37500:29:57.380 --> 00:30:02.500was only two and somehow it makesit no two precious babies that were killed37600:30:03.180 --> 00:30:07.170forty plus years ago or whatever.That's still two babies that were killed.37700:30:07.210 --> 00:30:10.690Like time doesn't make them less valuable. So no one saying that right but37800:30:10.809 --> 00:30:17.410the fact that they're still using theseaborted fetal cell lines forty years from from37900:30:17.450 --> 00:30:19.609the point when they were initially harvested. I hate to use that term,38000:30:21.009 --> 00:30:26.160but human beings. But at leastlets me know that there's not some conspiracy38100:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.640just again to kill babies and puttheir bodies in vaccines, put their cells38200:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.400into vaccines, because they're still usingthese cells. And I think one of38300:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.670the points and one of the reasonswhy, from your conversation with Dr Matt38400:30:37.950 --> 00:30:40.990even in this article and other thingsthat I've read, the reason why is38500:30:41.109 --> 00:30:45.190because of stability, like they havekind of a baseline with these fetal cells,38600:30:45.509 --> 00:30:48.509and so they're sticking with them becauseit takes care of an unknowns,38700:30:48.670 --> 00:30:55.380whereas if they introduce brand new fetalcells there's some more unknowns. These feed38800:30:56.099 --> 00:30:57.980fetal cells have stood the test oftime, so to speak. Kind of38900:30:59.099 --> 00:31:03.339yeah, I think that. Ithink that is the point. So so39000:31:03.500 --> 00:31:08.730the next big question is our vaccinesmade with a boarded fetal cells? We've39100:31:08.769 --> 00:31:11.809already made the point, not withthe cells themselves, but yes, they39200:31:11.890 --> 00:31:17.970are. There are many vaccines thatare produced through these aborted fetal fetal cell39300:31:18.049 --> 00:31:21.160lines. Yeah, and so Iwanted to go over those. Okay,39400:31:21.559 --> 00:31:22.720briefly. We won't take a lotof time with that, but just so39500:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.440that you know seek because there aresome of these are common diseases, common39600:31:26.480 --> 00:31:33.029vaccines. Most children have gotten thesevaccines and I know I sure didn't know39700:31:33.549 --> 00:31:37.150that aborted fetal cell lines were beingused in them. And there are some39800:31:37.309 --> 00:31:41.789morally acceptable alternatives in some of these. Okay. So the vaccines the following39900:31:42.029 --> 00:31:48.660diseases that use vaccines or are faultwith vaccines produced in a morally acceptable way.40000:31:49.460 --> 00:31:55.019That means not using the aborted fetuscell lines. Diphtheria, tetanus,40100:31:55.819 --> 00:32:04.089Pertussis, which is whooping cough,hemophilus influenza, type B Hib I've JEB40200:32:04.450 --> 00:32:10.329but ABHIB but hepatitis be and influenza. All of those vaccines morally acceptable.40300:32:12.009 --> 00:32:15.440You don't have to worry. Okay, so they don't use they do not,40400:32:15.680 --> 00:32:23.559so supported Peta set lines. Nowthe following list of diseases do have40500:32:23.759 --> 00:32:31.109vaccines, are are are fault withvaccines that have been produced using aborded fetal40600:32:31.190 --> 00:32:35.349cell lines. Okay, some ofthem. I've never heard of a dinovirus,40700:32:35.470 --> 00:32:38.910type for and type seven. Itis produced the vaccine for that is40800:32:39.069 --> 00:32:45.140produced using aborted fetus sell lines andthere's no morally ex sceptable alternative. Okay,40900:32:45.500 --> 00:32:52.700chicken pox, no morally acceptable alternative. They do use fetal cell lines41000:32:52.819 --> 00:32:58.930and everyone's vaccinated, unless you're anantibax are. Everyone is vaccinated for chicken41100:32:59.009 --> 00:33:01.130pox. Very much. Well,that's the one that we, as a41200:33:01.210 --> 00:33:07.170family, did not give our children's. Like, because I have the chicken41300:33:07.250 --> 00:33:10.130pox, right, I don't akid and it was itchy and it was41400:33:10.329 --> 00:33:14.240not fun. Yeah, but it'snot going to kill you, right.41500:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.480And Man, I guess maybe they'repeople that have died from the chicken box.41600:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.759I guess they are, from whatI've heard, from cat scratch fever,41700:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.839right, yeah, sure, Imean people have died from eating tid41800:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.430Paul. Yeah, people that fromall kinds of things, right, but41900:33:28.509 --> 00:33:31.589it's not very common. And soI'm like, why even vaccinate your kids42000:33:31.630 --> 00:33:35.910with the chicken pox vaccine? Imean this might give you even a maybe42100:33:36.109 --> 00:33:37.910didn't even know when you may evendecision. Why we didn't do that is42200:33:37.950 --> 00:33:43.059because the spirit of about yes,because it's like, well, the benefit42300:33:43.380 --> 00:33:45.539is going to be what? Theydon't get the chicken pox, right,42400:33:45.059 --> 00:33:50.180but potentially I'm doing something, orat least compromising in some way, that42500:33:50.339 --> 00:33:53.140there's really no benefit there at all. Yeah, so, yeah, we42600:33:53.660 --> 00:34:00.250didn't do that one. Yeah,okay, Hepatitis A is produced using a42700:34:00.329 --> 00:34:07.050boarded fetal cells lines and there isno acceptable alternative. Hepatitis A B,42800:34:08.050 --> 00:34:16.239which is, I guess, combinationdisease. That also that has two choices.42900:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.480You. There is a vaccine thatdoes use the aborted fetal cell lines,43000:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.590but there's they do benn't do havean alternative for that one? Always43100:34:23.670 --> 00:34:28.789wise to ask your doctor if thisis of concern to you, which it43200:34:28.909 --> 00:34:31.469is to me, and I alwaysdo ask my doctor. Does this vaccine43300:34:31.550 --> 00:34:43.099use aboarded fetal cell lines? Mesolsmumpsonrubellaw? Does it contains the combination?43400:34:44.539 --> 00:34:49.820Is does use aborded fetal cell lines? Each one of those diseases separately.43500:34:50.500 --> 00:34:54.289You can get a vaccination that maybehas an a morally acceptable alternative, but43600:34:54.690 --> 00:34:58.610it's not sold that way in theUnited States. You have to get them43700:34:58.650 --> 00:35:05.250as a combination and there is nothere is no morally acceptable alternative in the43800:35:05.329 --> 00:35:10.960US. Okay, polio, thereis the the one that used aboarded fetal43900:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.679cell lines has been discontinued. Thatvaccine. So now the vaccine for polio44000:35:17.119 --> 00:35:24.949does have a morally acceptable alternative.Okay, rabies, no alternative. It44100:35:25.070 --> 00:35:30.510uses aboarded fetal cell line and rabiesyou can die from if you get rabies.44200:35:30.590 --> 00:35:34.590So that be a tough one.That that's a situation. Where are44300:35:34.630 --> 00:35:38.260you willing to die or are yougoing to know that you're using aborded fetal44400:35:38.340 --> 00:35:43.340cell lines? So we have andwe're going to post this article right the44500:35:43.380 --> 00:35:45.619sidewalks for life website. Yeah,we will be posted other places. Yeah,44600:35:45.659 --> 00:35:49.300you know, kind of give youguys this rundown that we're going right,44700:35:49.380 --> 00:35:52.690we're going through. Right, let'sjump real quick. Okay, too.44800:35:52.409 --> 00:36:00.409I guess the most timely list hereis the COVID VEX. Yeah,44900:36:00.730 --> 00:36:02.889the CO vaccines. Actually, Iheard started radio. Actually, yeah,45000:36:02.929 --> 00:36:07.440we're being distributed. There would benicetributed today. Yeah. So, Yep.45100:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.320What are the covid vaccines that thatare being distributor or like right light45200:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.639on the edge of being distributed,and do those use aboarded fetals? There45300:36:15.679 --> 00:36:22.269are three leading vaccines currently in thecontest and they are Moderna, fiser and45400:36:22.349 --> 00:36:25.070biointech is the second one, andthat's the one that is rolling out already.45500:36:25.230 --> 00:36:32.420Okay, that's the bio intech andAstra Zenica knows that. VISOR PV45600:36:32.619 --> 00:36:38.579Pfi Zer and bio and biointech there. They're a combined company. That's one45700:36:38.619 --> 00:36:43.460vaccine, fiser and Bioin tegator.They're the ones that are rolling out today45800:36:44.139 --> 00:36:49.889and and then MODERNA's coming out soon. Astras Zenica is the third one.45900:36:50.369 --> 00:36:54.610So Astra Zenica does use aborted fetalcell lines in its production. Okay,46000:36:54.769 --> 00:37:00.440the other two do not, notin their production, but they do use46100:37:00.599 --> 00:37:07.159aboarded fetal cell lines in testing.When they tested these vaccines, they did46200:37:07.280 --> 00:37:12.280do it on a boarded fetal celllines. So none of the top contenders46300:37:13.039 --> 00:37:19.150are untainted. Yeah, from theabortion fetal cell line. Okay, do46400:37:19.389 --> 00:37:22.070with that what you will. Ifyou get this vaccine, and again we're46500:37:22.230 --> 00:37:28.230talking about no other aspect of thecovid vaccines other than all three of the46600:37:28.389 --> 00:37:35.260top leading ones have used aborted fetalcell lines either in production or in testing.46700:37:35.780 --> 00:37:43.579where I to make a moral choice, I would definitely prefer the vaccine46800:37:43.699 --> 00:37:47.929that had not been using those fetalcell lines in its in its production.46900:37:49.449 --> 00:37:52.250It did use it in testing,but not its production, and that is47000:37:52.329 --> 00:37:57.889the current one out there that isrolling out today. It in the production47100:37:57.929 --> 00:38:01.719of the that vaccine, they didnot use aborded fetal cell lines. Yeah,47200:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.599okay. So there you have it, folks, and I guess our47300:38:07.719 --> 00:38:14.550final thoughts maybe should be about thespiritual dimension of all of this. We've47400:38:14.590 --> 00:38:17.909kind of woven that in a littlebit. But you know, I was47500:38:19.030 --> 00:38:22.869thinking, and I've heard all ofthis as people have been discussing the pandemic47600:38:23.110 --> 00:38:28.940and the vaccines. Yeah, isis the pandemic the result of spiritual warfare?47700:38:29.139 --> 00:38:32.300Is it a tool of Satan tofill humanity with confusion and fear?47800:38:34.260 --> 00:38:39.420Is it punishment from God for themoral decay and so many critical areas where47900:38:39.420 --> 00:38:46.050we have gone so are from theBiblical Standard Of Holiness and righteousness? Does48000:38:46.130 --> 00:38:51.130it have none of that? Isthere no spiritual dimension to the disease or48100:38:51.210 --> 00:38:57.480the vaccine? Was it purposely beleast as part of some genocidal or world48200:38:57.559 --> 00:39:01.440domination conspiracy? God knows the answerto all of those that. But I48300:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.400know you. You have a perspective. Yeah, I missed from a spiritual48400:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.030point, from a from a spiritualpoint of view, as a jar of48500:39:09.070 --> 00:39:13.949spiritual spiritual man that I had tocity. I don't think there's a couple48600:39:14.030 --> 00:39:16.710things to consider. Okay, asfar as just talking about the covid disease48700:39:16.789 --> 00:39:21.150itself, right, is it ajudgment from the Lord? Is that at48800:39:21.150 --> 00:39:24.900least possible? Yeah, certainly,at least it's possible, and there's biblical48900:39:24.940 --> 00:39:30.539precedence. Yeah, absolutely. Imean God certainly can and does. We49000:39:30.619 --> 00:39:32.260see all through the Bible, notjust in the Old Testament but read the49100:39:32.260 --> 00:39:37.340book of the revelation. God doesrelease judgments own people, and so is49200:39:37.380 --> 00:39:43.090it possible that because we have murderedover sixty million of our own children in49300:39:43.130 --> 00:39:45.929the womb and done other vile thingsthat are an abomination in the sight of49400:39:45.969 --> 00:39:50.449God as a nation, that Godhas sent Covid as a judgment? That's49500:39:50.530 --> 00:39:53.559possible. Yeah, I think it'scertainly something we should consider. We should49600:39:53.559 --> 00:39:58.280be seeking the Lord's wisdom for andthe fact part of this world wide,49700:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.559and look at what's happening to ourworld in terms of rebellion against God.49800:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.829Certainly, certainly a possibility. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm some Prophet that49900:40:07.949 --> 00:40:10.309knows that God sent this as ajudgment. People that are saying that God50000:40:10.469 --> 00:40:15.909sent him sent this as a judgmentor I think somebody calls some prophets of50100:40:15.989 --> 00:40:20.909the of the thirteen hour right,people who prophesy after the fact. I50200:40:21.500 --> 00:40:23.059know God was going to send this. I just didn't tell anybody. Yeah,50300:40:23.300 --> 00:40:27.780all right, yeah, right.But it is possible they God sent50400:40:27.860 --> 00:40:30.619this as a judgment. You seethat as a biblical precedence. Possible,50500:40:30.900 --> 00:40:34.940possible that the devil is involved.I think there's it's not just possible,50600:40:34.940 --> 00:40:39.090it's absolutely true. Certainly the Lordcan use the the devil to bring about50700:40:39.130 --> 00:40:45.570his purposes, although I don't thinkthe devil and God work together in tandem.50800:40:45.650 --> 00:40:47.409Certainly got as much wiser than thedevil and can use the devil anyway.50900:40:47.409 --> 00:40:51.159That's kind of a rabbit trail.The point is the devil certainly in51000:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.599this covid thing, you see allof the fear, all of the confusion,51100:40:53.639 --> 00:40:58.039all of the selfishness, and eventhat's involved. It's like man,51200:40:58.320 --> 00:41:02.079they will certainly involved in this insome measure and then just be a natural51300:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.630phenomenon. Right, that's that's apossibility. Either way. We have to51400:41:07.710 --> 00:41:13.710view things from a biblical perspective thatthe Lord is in charge, God is51500:41:13.789 --> 00:41:19.340in control. Yeah, is thatmean he's controlling every time someone gets sickness51600:41:19.380 --> 00:41:23.980from this covid disease and dies.I don't God's not putting covid diseases in51700:41:24.099 --> 00:41:28.420people, but there is this principleof sin that's at work in the world51800:41:28.500 --> 00:41:30.340because of the fall, right,and it's one of the reasons why we're51900:41:30.340 --> 00:41:32.969talking about this podcast. Are therethings there? There means that God has52000:41:32.969 --> 00:41:37.130given us, practically as human beings, to kind of at least hold off52100:41:37.210 --> 00:41:43.170some of the results of the fallwhen we do other medical interventions to push52200:41:43.210 --> 00:41:46.400back diseases and things that are resultof the fall? Is a vaccine now52300:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.079taking a vaccine? Is that somethingthat is also you could be used to52400:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.679that end? So they're just someof the thoughts that I have. As52500:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.679far as looking at it from aspiritual, spiritual perspective, one of the52600:41:59.840 --> 00:42:04.349thoughts that I had, I'd loveto hear your your your thoughts about this,52700:42:04.429 --> 00:42:09.710is that we we certainly can't controlthe fact that Covid is out there,52800:42:10.670 --> 00:42:16.940we can control our response. Therehas been so much disunity and hate52900:42:17.699 --> 00:42:23.380over different people's responses, both toCovid, to the vaccine, to the53000:42:23.539 --> 00:42:29.179measures the politics behind it. Somuch and that, to me, is53100:42:30.130 --> 00:42:36.449heartbreaking. Yeah, that are webehaving the way God would have us behave53200:42:36.690 --> 00:42:43.769in response to this horror? Yeah, that is that is upon us.53300:42:44.090 --> 00:42:45.119Maybe it's not a horror, alot of people say it's not, that53400:42:45.280 --> 00:42:52.719it's overinflated whatever. Yeah, butto hate others based on how they respond53500:42:52.840 --> 00:42:58.789or to belittle others based on whatthey choose to do with the information,53600:43:00.789 --> 00:43:05.909I think that that grieves the heartof God. Yeah, absolutely so.53700:43:06.110 --> 00:43:09.670I think that that's kind of that'sone of the things that I thought about53800:43:09.670 --> 00:43:14.980a lot as I was going throughthis research. I was thinking a good53900:43:15.099 --> 00:43:21.619case could be made for taking thesevaccines and feeling that is morally acceptable,54000:43:22.420 --> 00:43:27.650and a good case could be madefor refusing to yeah, but I don't54100:43:27.889 --> 00:43:35.090think that are standing before God shouldbe questioned in either case. Yeah,54200:43:35.289 --> 00:43:39.329and that's a that's a really goodpoint, and Paul addresses this and the54300:43:39.369 --> 00:43:44.639book of Romans he talks about USconsidering the weaker brother and he talks about54400:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.559it in particular as it concerns eatingmeat or not eating meat. Eating meat54500:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.760that sacrifice to idols, or noteating meat because it could be sacrificed to54600:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.320idols, and we should consider ourweaker brother and it kind of goes both54700:43:54.320 --> 00:44:00.469ways. We need to consider thatother believers might not hold the same convictions54800:44:00.550 --> 00:44:06.989we do, as long as thoseconvictions can be sustained from scripture. Right.54900:44:07.670 --> 00:44:10.260You know, we're not talking aboutpeople who want to go out and55000:44:10.460 --> 00:44:15.699just intentionally murder children, yeah,to create vaccines. Those people aren't Christians.55100:44:15.739 --> 00:44:20.500Yeah, but we are talking abouta scenario in which there have been55200:44:20.659 --> 00:44:23.449some babies that have been aboarded,whose fetal sales have been used to produce55300:44:23.530 --> 00:44:28.849vaccines, and some Christians are thinking, well, that was a horrible act55400:44:28.889 --> 00:44:30.489or not. We're not trying tojustify that act, but there is a55500:44:30.530 --> 00:44:35.449redemptive thing to come out of thisand therefore I'm okay with taking a vaccine.55600:44:35.489 --> 00:44:37.210I'm okay with given my children vaccinesand that sort of thing. Yeah,55700:44:37.250 --> 00:44:40.719again, not getting into the otherissues. Right, is talking about55800:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.320it from a moral perspective. Right. We need to consider each other and55900:44:45.559 --> 00:44:51.800we need to be understanding and seekunity in as much as we can Yemen.56000:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.150Yeah. Yeah. So with that, guys, we appreciate you tune56100:44:55.190 --> 00:44:59.909and into this podcast. Again,we'd appreciate you guys would share this podcast56200:45:00.349 --> 00:45:04.269reach out to us. Maybe youhave a suggestion of something maybe we didn't56300:45:04.269 --> 00:45:07.260cover in this podcast. Yeah,maybe something that we kind of didn't see56400:45:07.260 --> 00:45:10.699as we're talking about vaccines. Ormaybe there's a complete other subject that you56500:45:10.739 --> 00:45:14.940want us to try to cover.We'd certainly love to cover that. So56600:45:15.019 --> 00:45:19.139you can reach out to us.Daniel at Love Life Dot Org or Vicky56700:45:19.579 --> 00:45:22.010at Love Life Dot Org. We'dlove to hear from you, but until56800:45:22.050 --> 00:45:34.369next time, God bless our lovefor love. Give me our love for56900:45:34.570 --> 00:45:45.719gratitude. I know it will costme my life. Nothing's too precious,57000:45:46.039 --> 00:45:47.400and some that you